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fighting for their life to be heard Have

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their point made which is a lot

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like podcasting sometimes Wow How many times

2:11

have I on might been like well,

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no I've been in the sense that

2:15

we're done some Grasping at anything some

2:17

version of that welcome to good Christian

2:19

fun. I'm Kevin. I'm Jeremy and I'm

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Alyssa And we're here to have good

2:23

Christian. Oh Wow, we

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freaking did it. Holy not too bad

2:28

now Eagle eared listeners May

2:31

know that's off Or

2:34

is it eagle-eyed Weird I suppose I

2:37

mean they got here too. I think they're

2:39

known for their eyes predominantly I

2:44

think ears has got to be a different

2:46

animal ears is probably I don't know do

2:48

Eagles have ears That's

2:55

that's poetry Two

2:58

equals have ears someday we'll know

3:00

you know ears

3:02

of a bat Okay, bat

3:05

ears of a bad listener. So

3:07

the expression is eagle-eyed, but

3:09

it is yeah So bad eared

3:11

listeners all those baddies out there.

3:14

I like Eagle eared though Eagle

3:17

earn Cuz it's beautiful

3:19

to think that they could see as well as

3:21

they hear but you may notice that something's a

3:24

little different This time something's

3:28

changed on

3:30

the pot something has And

3:34

we're how many seconds in until let's start

3:36

singing No

3:46

She's asked me twice today Do you Jeremy

3:48

have a bet about this about me or

3:50

this thing about me? Had this

3:52

happened to you before like as well are people

3:54

making money off your behavior? See she's all that

3:57

was I just a bed is what she's referring you

3:59

never saw she's all that, Jeremy? I've never seen

4:01

She's All That. What? That's

4:03

like the most iconic movie of the 90s.

4:06

Do you think we can still be friends? I

4:08

don't know. A big part of my who I

4:10

am is because of that movie. I think

4:12

you can get the movie via cultural osmosis.

4:15

I do think I understand. He

4:17

makes her... But it's insane that he's never seen it. Yeah,

4:20

I've never seen it. What? Okay.

4:22

Are you joking? All right. I don't know.

4:24

I don't know. We're on rocky ground already.

4:26

You know how like dude bro, like film

4:28

bro guys have like, you've never seen The

4:30

Godfather, you know? That's funny. You're

4:34

doing like the new Bev Gurley. This

4:36

is, yeah. You've been seeing She's All

4:38

That. It

4:41

is. It's like finding

4:44

out that people haven't seen the movie Clueless. I

4:46

haven't seen Clueless. I've... No, I've seen Clueless.

4:48

Now that's also insane. I will say Clueless

4:50

is my most, my biggest reaction movie when

4:53

people find out I haven't seen Clueless. People

4:55

are... But She's All That to

4:57

me. And not only is She's All That such

4:59

an incredible movie, but if you haven't seen She's

5:01

All That, then you're also not going to understand

5:03

my other favorite movie, not another teen movie.

5:06

Oh, not now that I've seen. But you

5:08

won't understand it as much if you haven't seen

5:10

She's All That. I can get the concept. You get the point.

5:12

No. I

5:14

remember seeing it and enjoying a lot of

5:17

the jokes. But if you were to see She's

5:19

All That, you would like it even more. That's like

5:21

saying, that's like watching... Oh my god.

5:23

That's like watching... In a

5:25

sense. In the sense that... No, in a sense

5:27

that... Hold on. Oh, that's not... Walk

5:32

hard, but you have never seen Walk the

5:34

Line. That would be an insane

5:36

thing. Do you know what I mean? I

5:39

do think you could get it though. You

5:41

could still get it. I agree that it's

5:43

enriched by perhaps a more familiar sense of

5:45

the... I'm ready to fight. So

5:48

Eagle-eared listeners may have

5:50

noticed Caroline is not here. Caroline

5:53

is not currently on

5:55

the podcasts that

5:57

you're listening to, which has happened... which

6:01

I was gonna say it's unprecedented, but it's

6:03

not, she's been on vacation before. She

6:06

had one where she's like, I'm out of town, do

6:08

you wanna record? I'm like, I'll take care of it.

6:10

And I have my friend Tyler come on and talk

6:12

about Bruce Springsteen and Christianity or

6:14

something. I was here one time and she wasn't

6:16

here. You were here one time? I was as

6:18

well. You kinda guest hosted, you kinda guest hosted.

6:22

So it's never happened without you. It's

6:25

never happened without me, yes. Ooh.

6:28

What is happening? The next episode listeners, when

6:30

you and Alyssa. Can you let me and

6:33

Jeremy? Really the format is the

6:35

story. That's what we're finding. And

6:37

today we're talking about she's all that. Could

6:40

grieve. It is Christian vibes. I

6:43

mean, it would probably be more on topic than some

6:45

of the stuff we've talked about on the show before

6:47

it's like mean. I think we should talk about she's

6:49

all that. How do

6:51

you think you could connect

6:54

it back to evangelicalism and

6:56

Christianity? If you were to

6:58

do that. There's like a makeover movie that's

7:00

Christianity. How so? Because

7:02

when you accept Jesus into your heart,

7:04

that's the ultimate makeover. Wow. Okay,

7:07

that's an answer. Kinda works. It's not

7:09

bad. Kinda works. Thank you. Caroline is

7:11

on maternity leave right now. And

7:14

while she's gone, tending to little

7:16

Elmo, Dexter

7:20

Kramer, Seinfeld, Garfield, Dilbert

7:22

Ealy, which

7:25

is the name that, and no matter,

7:27

by the way, no matter what name,

7:29

if she ever like reveals it, if she ever posts

7:31

about the care or whatever, she may post some other

7:33

name. That's not the real name. That's not the truth.

7:35

The real name is Dexter

7:37

Kramer, Garfield, Elmo, Seinfeld, Ealy.

7:41

Dilbert. Dilbert. George. Junior.

7:44

Kostanza. Kostanza, Ealy. That's

7:47

the real name. And anytime she posts him,

7:49

like put in

7:51

the comments, oh, little Elmo,

7:53

Dexter Kramer, Seinfeld, Garfield, Ealy looks so

7:55

sweet. Yeah, it is important that you

7:57

do that. We love Caroline.

7:59

We miss her, but she's got a

8:02

family right now, and

8:05

she'll be back much like the

8:07

Terminator, but until she is, we have- Have

8:10

you seen the Terminator, Jeremy? Oh, God.

8:13

I haven't. What? I haven't

8:15

seen the Terminator. Are you joking? I've weirdly seen

8:17

Terminator 2. I

8:20

have seen Terminator 2, but not

8:22

Terminator. You can't see Terminator 2

8:24

without seeing Terminator 2. We did. But

8:26

we did do it. And it's okay. But it

8:28

would be so much better if you saw the first one.

8:31

Sorry. All right. All right, I'm

8:33

done. I'm done talking movies.

8:35

I didn't think I'd say this early into the

8:37

episode, but I really miss Carol. What

8:40

the heck? Hey, hey,

8:42

what the hell is this? No,

8:44

listen, we don't have to put up with this.

8:47

I'm just kidding around. I'm in fight mode. Look,

8:49

I miss her too. Hey, we

8:51

all miss her, right? I do too. This

8:53

is, can I be candid? Well, two things I

8:55

was talking about before we started. One, this is

8:57

like the longest I've gone without podcasting in

9:00

like seven years or something, because we recorded

9:02

so ahead and then I went out

9:04

of town a bunch and I'm back and it's been almost

9:07

a month. So I feel genuinely

9:09

rusty. And then two, I

9:11

think currently this is the longest I've gone

9:13

without seeing Caroline in

9:15

like maybe, yeah, the last seven or

9:17

eight years. I was gonna say you look really lost. I

9:20

know, don't I? I'm just like searching

9:22

for something right now. You changed shirts? Yeah, you

9:24

changed shirts right before. I changed shirts right before.

9:26

I was like, maybe that'll give me the juice

9:29

that I need. And I don't know if it

9:31

did. Post properly. But you know what this is

9:33

like? Can I make it? Hey,

9:35

wait a minute. I wanna

9:38

bring up two things as a little tribute

9:40

to our friend Caroline. One, I'm reminded

9:42

of course, and we all

9:44

know kind of the example I'm about to say, but

9:47

you know, Bruce Springsteen, when his

9:49

saxophone player Clarence Clemens passed

9:52

away, sadly, what

9:54

did he do? Did he replace him with

9:56

one saxophone player? No, he replaced him with

9:59

a whole horn. because nothing could fill the void

10:01

of that individual. Do

10:03

you think Caroline is gonna listen to this?

10:05

I don't know, but I'm kind

10:07

of baking on She Will. Maybe.

10:10

I don't know. I hope she does. Well,

10:12

Caroline, if you're listening, we're your horn

10:14

section, baby girl. Yeah, that's right. Trombonus,

10:17

tuba player. And

10:20

for the listeners at home that

10:22

didn't see, Kevin pointed at me

10:25

and said, tuba player, and somehow

10:27

I'm offended. Thought

10:30

you were right. That is

10:32

so funny. Anytime I've done the gag of

10:34

like, hey, I wrote a song for

10:36

you. Can I play it for you? It's for like a

10:38

girl or something. She's like, yeah. And I'm like, here

10:40

it is. It's

10:43

a tuba. Play like a

10:45

tuba on my keyboard. Like, I

10:47

just like, this song sounds like what you are to me.

10:49

You've done that. It's beautiful. Yeah,

10:52

it's funny. Does it crack them up? It

10:55

cracks them up or makes them really mad in a way that

10:57

cracks me up. And win-win. I think

10:59

it's a win-win. Win-win, baby. Anyway. Two,

11:06

here's something, a quote

11:08

I found. Let me bring it back to Good Christian Fund. Y'all

11:10

like C.S. Lewis? Y'all read him? Oh, yeah. You

11:13

did read him? Uh-huh, totally. Like

11:15

not in the- Mere Christianity. Of

11:17

course, the Narnia Chronicles. This

11:20

might be one of those

11:22

things where his writing was

11:24

very poetic. Mm-hmm. And

11:27

I think I had all of his books. I

11:30

doubt I finished any of them. You didn't finish a one.

11:33

They might have been a little too flowery for

11:35

me. Oh, yeah. You mean like- No,

11:39

no, like a little too like

11:41

song. I

11:45

wanted like the meat. And

11:47

I was like, there's too many allegories. I understand. Sometimes

11:51

he can be quite erudite in a way

11:53

that makes a little impenetrable. That's why

11:55

I was more of like a John Piper. You're like,

11:58

I'm a bleeding heart. Wait. I'm

28:00

like, who is this young man? It's like, oh, this

28:02

may not be your actual taste. How dare you, the

28:04

song rules. But part of the reason I picked this

28:06

song, and we will talk about it after the break,

28:09

but I picked it because

28:11

I wanted to quickly recap, kind

28:13

of speaking of friendship, your origin story,

28:16

and reintroduce you, perhaps the listeners in a

28:18

way, of some of

28:20

the ways that you first connected with

28:23

each other, perhaps over this

28:25

very artist himself.

28:27

Yeah, do you want, should we launch

28:30

in? You're gonna

28:32

be a great co-host. He was cute, he's cute.

28:34

He's cute, that's what he's doing. Sorry,

28:36

sorry. He's doing it now. Keeping

28:39

us on our toes, this

28:41

one. Keeping us on our

28:44

toes. I'm on my dippies

28:46

right now, good grief. All

28:49

right, I'm gonna be more, okay, I'm gonna do

28:51

like, I'm gonna do like a podcast voice. What

28:53

do you think of podcasts? Because we know what

28:55

you think of radio voices. Yeah, we know that.

28:57

What do you think of podcast voices? Okay, are

28:59

you ready for it? Yeah. Yeah.

29:03

So, I was, you

29:07

know, I had been asked to do a

29:09

show, and I

29:11

knew, oh, what am I gonna do on this show?

29:14

That's my podcast voice. Do

29:17

you like that or regular? Do

29:19

you like, it's like an NPR kind of thing that

29:21

you're going for there. Well, the first one's pretty

29:25

soft. I'm thinking like, do

29:27

I like that one? Should I? Or

29:29

I'll try to be, I'll try to be softer. It's

29:34

going really well. It's going fine. No,

29:36

no, no, no, okay. Don't change. So,

29:39

Jeremy, okay, Jeremy had an improv team that he

29:41

was on. Yeah. Over at the

29:43

old UCB. The old UCB. And

29:45

they had a show, and they asked me to do a

29:47

character, and I barely knew Jeremy. How many years ago was

29:49

this? Okay, yeah. I

29:51

barely knew Jeremy. That's a good memory right there. I knew of

29:54

him a little bit. But I

29:56

had never, I bet I never had a conversation with him.

29:58

And this was a Valentine's Day. was

32:00

standing in the back. I remember you were standing

32:02

and you were like, ha. And

32:05

I was like, sounds like his laugh. And

32:07

I and I clocked it and I go and

32:09

I'm going to talk to you after the show.

32:11

And I did say that. Yeah. And

32:14

we did. Wow. So Jeremy, take it away.

32:16

Yeah. So then we talked after the show and

32:19

I was like, I was like, do you

32:21

know how to play guitars? Like, no, no, not at all.

32:23

No. And then she was

32:25

like, you can play it. Here you go. She's like, hand

32:28

me the guitar. And I go, how do you know Michael

32:30

W Smith? And you were like, well, of course I grew

32:32

up Christian. And I played in the worship team and she's

32:34

like, do you know worship songs? And so then I had

32:36

the guitar and I started playing worship songs. And

32:39

we started singing these worship songs and we were really

32:41

going for it. We were committing. Yeah. And then there

32:43

was like all these people around us who were watching

32:45

us do this because we kind of like it went

32:47

off the rails. I think we really. And

32:50

we were outside. We were outside this outside

32:52

the theater. And then we were just singing

32:54

on the street. The

32:56

worship songs. And then people

32:58

were like, this is good. Yeah. This

33:00

is actually really good. You were busking.

33:02

I don't remember. Yeah. We had a

33:05

hat out. And

33:07

everybody was like, this is really good, actually.

33:09

Yeah. So awesome. Yeah. And our buddy Brian

33:11

Rainstein was like, you guys should do this.

33:13

Like, you need to do this on stage.

33:15

This is great. And we were like, oh,

33:17

you got church? Yeah. And

33:20

then I think we were like, well, let's meet up

33:22

and figure out what this bit's going to be. But

33:24

then we just became friends instead. Every time we would

33:26

meet up to work on the bit, it was just,

33:28

I don't know. You were like, I just got another

33:30

text. And I'm like, this? Yeah, kind of. Probably. That

33:32

was actually kind of the vibe. Kind of. We were

33:34

like going hikes. And we're like, and we'll talk about

33:36

the stuff and whatever. But like this guy. Oh my

33:38

god. And we just started bonding. I was going through

33:40

it. Yeah. It was true.

33:42

And then we just became like legit friends.

33:45

Yeah. And I will

33:48

say too, before we were

33:50

on this set of teams together before. And I like,

33:52

when I saw you, I didn't know you. But I

33:54

was like, I'm supposed to be friends with that girl.

33:56

Whoa. That's beautiful. Yeah. That's really

33:58

nice. I even saw you. I

56:00

don't like where this is going. You should actually drive. I

56:03

don't like the territory where it is. No,

56:05

but the martyrdom, do you believe in God?

56:07

Yes, then they shot her. That never happened?

56:10

It happened to another girl. There was

56:12

another girl. So Cassie Bernal was killed

56:15

in the shooting, but that story of like she

56:17

said she was a Christian and they killed

56:19

her for it. They asked another

56:21

girl if she was a Christian and

56:24

they either shot her or they did not

56:26

kill her, but she survived. So

56:28

then when the Bernal family started telling the

56:30

story about like, and our daughter was killed

56:32

for this, the woman who

56:34

lived through it, the girl, excuse me, was

56:36

like, no, that was me. They

56:39

asked me that. And they didn't kill her?

56:42

They did not kill her. Well, who was

56:44

that other girl, the book, she said yes?

56:46

That's Cassie Bernal. No, that was Rachel. There

56:48

was another girl named- She said yes is

56:50

Cassie Bernal. Hold

56:52

on, I need to Google this because I was in

56:54

a play. You were in

56:56

a play. Oh my God, this could go anywhere. I

56:59

was in a play, I think I've talked about this on the

57:01

pod. She said yes, the

57:04

unlikely martyrdom of Cassie Bernal. Okay,

57:06

there was another girl named Rachel. Okay.

57:10

Okay, Martyr Rachel. And

57:14

everyone just go home and Google that. Was

57:16

it Rachel Scott? Rachel Joy Scott, yes. So

57:21

what was her situation? Because

57:23

she had a journal. So what's her deal?

57:26

What's up with her, huh? All I

57:28

remember is that she had a journal and then her

57:31

parents published her journal. And

57:34

it was like, that was why I

57:36

kind of got really into thinking I was

57:38

gonna die and then people would publish my

57:41

journal. Rachel's Tears, Rachel's Challenge. Rachel's Tears. Yep,

57:43

okay, there's quite a bit about her. So

57:45

they used real journal entries. They used her

57:47

real journal entries. You never heard of this?

57:49

I had and I

57:52

combined some of it. Wait, let

57:54

me get this straight. So you

57:56

started fantasizing about you dying and

57:58

then people releasing Alyssa's Tears.