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maybe. To

1:01

name him and. He

1:04

was in the Amazon hi on when she

1:06

was researching spiders, right before she died. Or

1:12

going to go Christian Fun! I'm Kevin. I'm Caroline. We

1:14

could. Have good Christian find That

1:16

was a quote from the

1:18

author. Elizabeth Elliott talked about

1:20

Mission Trip. That.

1:24

Her parents and on. Roses are

1:26

red our lives in are tied. he was

1:28

do the. Research expires with my

1:30

mom. What was actually guy as but. Now

1:34

will be this comes. Out

1:36

two weeks after the for recording those

1:39

because it doesn't come out next Wednesday

1:41

comes out the wednesday after that. Well

1:43

there's a huge word of mouth campaign

1:45

we got. Matter where I feel, that?

1:48

whatever. Yeah, it's get some momentum. It's

1:50

building where. Did you also get a

1:52

sneak a list? On to. advocate

1:55

oh yeah i mean an end of ours

1:57

their of the it i can we a

1:59

monday Oh yeah. You coming? I wanted to

2:01

come but I already had plans that night.

2:03

Noooooo! I had a date with... I

2:06

guess I can say this. I had a date with... The devil? I

2:08

have a date with four women in the same night.

2:11

Oh. Book clubs? Two of them were

2:13

twins. No! I'm

2:16

seeing a double feature about Town Girls in New

2:18

York Minute. Oh. Oh! Okay.

2:21

Is that Town Girls? Wait, no. That's

2:23

Brittany Murphy in... Brittany Murphy in Dakota County.

2:25

Yeah. I was like, is that also an Olsen

2:27

twin? No. But it's a Jason, obviously, right? It

2:29

is. Wow. Book club three.

2:31

Ooh. Kevin, you're gonna clean

2:33

up on that double feature. What do you mean? That's

2:35

a millennial woman like, frame fest. Are

2:37

you kidding me? What are you even

2:39

doing there? Well, tell me how

2:42

I should dress. If you had to be

2:44

my stylist for the night, what

2:46

would you tell me to lean into? Blue collar.

2:49

Okay. Rugged. Okay. So

2:51

flannel? We'll be fixing an outlet

2:53

for you. Yeah. Like

2:55

some flannel, maybe like a white undershirt. These

2:57

women, they are 35 to 40. They're ready to settle down. You

3:03

just say 35 to 40. They need a man of the

3:05

house, you know? Man of the woods. Oh,

3:09

that's not what I'm... I'm not going for man

3:11

of the woods, per se. I'm

3:13

just telling you what would work. You say millennial women,

3:15

do you think Mary Kate and

3:17

Ashley means anything to Gen Z? Do you

3:19

think that Gen Z cares about

3:21

the Olsen twins? I would not dare to say

3:24

what Gen Z cares about. Because I always ask these

3:26

rhetorical questions. I'm like, who can tell me? Yeah,

3:29

I'm like, what does Punch Through, you know?

3:31

Like, does Spice Girls Punch Through? Does Britney?

3:33

I don't know. I bet Britney would in

3:35

a way Spice Girls doesn't.

3:38

Britney is still an ongoing

3:40

conversation. Yeah. Britney,

3:42

for them though, is like how I

3:44

came to understand Michael Jackson, you know? Was

3:47

like the last half of his life. But

3:51

there was so much that led to Michael

3:53

Jackson looking like that, you know? And like

3:55

being like that. And

3:57

so... Yeah,

4:01

and so for I imagine this generation

4:03

like they're encountering Brittany now You know

4:05

and they like have an understanding of

4:08

old Brittany, but like not really not

4:10

in her most sparkly understanding Yeah, no

4:12

one knew the bomb that went off

4:15

when that video Came

4:17

on our TV screens at

4:19

the turn of the century hit me baby

4:21

one more time. Oh, right exactly Yeah, how

4:23

do you describe that thing? We're like we

4:25

were all watching TV. Why why were you

4:27

watching TV? Why were you doing that together?

4:29

Yeah, how are you doing that together? Are

4:32

you T voted and I'm not comparing

4:34

Michael Jackson to Britney Spears No, no,

4:36

where's some other ways there's some way Cuz

4:41

they're both pop stars is what you mean

4:43

by the pop stars. Yeah with Stories

4:50

Stories they have experiences. Oh, yeah, and

4:52

and we can't wait to talk about

4:54

I'd love to get off their parallels

4:56

more But we're here to

4:59

talk about some other pop stars today who also

5:01

have some stories. Oh, yeah, some

5:04

gospel stories Toby Mac

5:07

Kevin Mac's Michael Tate Mac

5:09

and max they never really did anything with

5:11

that I know right cuz to Toby Mac's

5:13

a Mac back to back. Yeah and

5:16

Michael Tates here The

5:21

CT August decent Christian talk is their

5:23

album new thing from a mere 34

5:26

years ago Fresh

5:29

off the presses new as ever It's

5:32

basically what's so funny when you when you read

5:34

about this out because they would do many as

5:36

many of these Artists do

5:38

and bands do from this time you

5:40

put out their whole discography is like

5:42

five albums total five or six albums

5:44

That's all they did But they'll do

5:47

endless compilations and grace hits and best

5:49

doesn't stuff They they don't put anything

5:51

from this album on it or the

5:53

first album on it. Oh, nothing from

5:55

these two makes it They're dead and

5:57

buried. Yeah, it's just from free

6:00

at last on. Makes sense. I mean

6:02

this is such a different era for DC Talk. I

6:04

don't know if our guest has heard some of their

6:06

later. I mean it is rock and frickin'

6:10

roll. Okay and you

6:12

wouldn't maybe imagine that after hearing

6:14

New Thing. So I understand

6:17

maybe why they wanted us to forget about

6:19

New Thing. Which I can.

6:21

No, none of us can. And

6:24

hopefully we're gonna find out today

6:26

if our guest can or if

6:29

she wants to forget. Friend and

6:31

folks, Megan Herglorious returned to the

6:33

podcast. Once again she's a comedian

6:35

and writer. You can catch her

6:38

own podcast, Bad Behavior. Give it

6:40

up for Sterling Mulberry. Hello.

6:42

Hello. I think

6:44

you guys are homing me back.

6:46

What a dream and a treat.

6:49

A pleasure and a privilege. A

6:52

dream and a pleasure and privilege. Caroline, give us

6:54

two more. A prince

6:57

and a popper. I

6:59

think it is kind of a prince and a

7:01

popper to do the show multiple times. Which

7:04

one's prince and a popper? Like the first time?

7:06

Which one's the first and what's the second? I

7:09

think sometimes people's second appearance outshines

7:12

the first like almost immediately. Sometimes

7:14

it out princes them. Prince and

7:16

other pop star Caroline. Where's some

7:18

parallels between him and Michael and

7:20

Brittany. I can do it. Can

7:23

I tell you my introduction to Prince? Sure.

7:26

And then we'll get to Sterling as well.

7:29

My introduction to Prince was

7:31

watching the ill-fated short-lived variety

7:34

show on ABC from 1998 Muppets Tonight.

7:36

It wasn't the Muppet Show. There's

7:38

Muppets Tonight and it was basically like an

7:41

SNL format. They would have a guest

7:43

host and they would participate in all the sketches. And

7:45

the guest host for the episode I watched was Prince. And

7:48

so he was the guy. And he made

7:50

everyone in the crowd do what Dexter did. And that's what he's doing right

7:53

now. Just Hal and Barkin. But

7:55

I remember he would participate in the sketches

7:57

and he sang one with Gonzo where they

7:59

were singing. were in a cave and they

8:01

sang that's the way

8:03

uh-huh uh-huh I like it

8:05

uh-huh uh-huh that sounds cool

8:08

yeah it was awesome so you were a fan

8:10

of Prince early on from from the from early

8:12

on in 1998 yeah do you have a early

8:14

Prince memory when you became

8:19

aware it is

8:21

a good question I I hate

8:24

to be the very bad news no no him are

8:30

we getting a Mariah right now no

8:32

I honestly know who Prince is because

8:35

he died because he passed yeah

8:37

but two presidential elections I

8:41

there is not a day that I can pinpoint that I

8:43

said oh I didn't know about him until I did yeah

8:46

I was always there a gradual I never there

8:48

was no one in my life who was such

8:50

a big Prince fan that you like had a

8:53

thing for me right I just I

8:55

knew of him and that was

8:58

my relationship with him beautiful which is

9:00

boring and I'm so sorry no I don't

9:04

I literally don't know you have anything to do

9:06

with on the spot we didn't prepare you for

9:08

that you could have had some kind of anecdote

9:10

and make sure you know just something to

9:12

say in a way that's like the

9:14

way we relate to God the Father

9:16

in which we don't need there's never

9:19

a beginning he always is he was

9:21

he ever will be of course he

9:23

is omnipresent in our lives the way

9:25

Prince was for you until he passed

9:27

away sadly yeah yeah yeah he was

9:29

devastated that day I

9:32

was I really was like one

9:35

time he'd grown twenty sixteen dollars remember

9:37

as the year that two celebrities died and

9:39

everyone said 2016 is the worst

9:41

year ever that's my memory

9:44

of the other one David Bowie was the

9:46

other one like a couple months before after

9:48

and they were like there's no way this

9:50

year could get a lot this is the

9:52

summer of 2016 this year so bad nothing

9:55

could happen that could be worth you know

9:57

Hillary will do a great memorial for them

10:00

At her inauguration. I

10:03

wish I could give Prince a kiss Wait,

10:08

what's her Bowie joke? There's

10:11

a star man going

10:13

to the pole That

10:16

would be one. This is a

10:18

wild Hillary impression No,

10:21

it's pretty good I'm

10:30

not even you're a cusp or right like I

10:32

thought I'm technically millennial. Okay, I'm 94 not to

10:34

technique Oh,

10:37

okay break my own age. Oh, God, but

10:39

I'm 94 Caroline

10:43

have you talked to an adult yet that

10:45

was born after 9-11? Um, gosh

10:48

probably but I don't know I

10:52

just asked you an adult right in a

10:54

doll is like after 9-11. Yeah someone born

10:56

like on 2002

10:58

they're running around now. They're 22. Yeah. Oh, yeah

11:06

Yeah, I don't know I'm not hanging

11:09

out with 22 and 23 year olds well I

11:18

don't know what I'm Curiously

11:20

buttoning up my car I'm

11:23

gonna hide really sweaty like like my

11:25

nipples are about to start sweating out

11:27

of fear Of

11:30

being asked the question Because

11:37

you're not going yeah, I can't speak safely

11:39

there save space is on college

11:41

campuses Gracious well

11:43

Sterling. Thanks for coming back on the show.

11:46

Thank you so much has changed since you've

11:48

last been on But do you

11:50

think it's been almost a full year? I think true

11:52

gosh When was the last

11:54

time the last time you came on it was to

11:56

talk about the Jesus? Revolution.

11:59

Yeah You remember that

12:01

my Ronnie Frisbee I will always run

12:03

about Lonnie Lonnie The

12:07

name of Ronnie for Yeah,

12:10

yeah, I guess a lot has changed yeah

12:13

Such a grammar has had a lot more

12:15

happen since well the Frasier show

12:17

came out. Yeah, we do of course I

12:20

think I didn't catch it. Oh, he's gonna be

12:22

in a Marvel movie. He wasn't

12:25

a more surprising Yeah, he was beast

12:27

again in the new Marvels What

12:30

oh in that one? Yeah, God is that yeah,

12:32

I told you this on Mike. I think you

12:34

did Yeah, I guess I just heard like he

12:36

will be in a Marvel movie. Not that he

12:39

already did it But you know in Madam with

12:43

I'm the web So

12:46

nice I was less

12:48

connected to you Now

12:50

I don't know, but it might be a Harry

12:53

Styles situation where it shows

12:55

up and never again No, fall through Harry

12:57

Styles was at the end of a movie

12:59

called the Eternals about three years ago Oh,

13:02

well, I don't suspect we'll be

13:04

seeing that character ever again.

13:06

Mm-hmm at the end of it Yeah,

13:09

maybe and don't worry darling too. Yeah,

13:11

I hope What

13:13

could happen if you worry darling? What

13:17

could happen? Harry

13:20

Styles character gets don't worry darling.

13:22

Oh Oh I

13:25

feel like that just Barbie women. Yeah, I

13:27

like that. This is this is what

13:29

movie would be Okay, it's all

13:32

single girls in the world in

13:34

their late 20s to 30s 30s

13:36

I'll include everyone okay, and they're like we

13:39

need husbands or something And then they like

13:41

take the few single men left and shove

13:43

them into this world Yeah, because they're like

13:45

they're like we're tired of dating apps. We're

13:47

gonna yeah, I don't know

13:49

And then and then something like that. I will

13:52

be there. Obviously AI will be present AI will

13:54

be present really Yes

13:57

AI will be president President

14:00

AI we need you. I would prefer president

14:02

AI right now candidly and all the men

14:04

would be like perfect Yeah,

14:07

right. We're just yeah, and they're gonna be like

14:09

we'd love to get married or something I don't

14:11

know. I don't know. Maybe it's a terrible take

14:13

but it would be a terrible movie. Yeah I'm

14:22

trying to think with the reverse cuz that was

14:24

kind of that right for women. Yeah, what

14:26

would be kind of the reverse? Right

14:31

Kind of like we're like Oh all the men have

14:33

been kind of bad and so we are gonna

14:35

trap them in this world and we're gonna leave them there

14:38

And we're not we're not even gonna and they're just like playing

14:40

pretend Yeah, and then it's kind of like Barbie in the real

14:42

world where we're just kind of like Like

14:45

war movie is like men doing the

14:47

war, you know business They're going so

14:50

hard on war. Yeah, of course And

14:52

you only find out like at the

14:54

end that they are in a simulation

14:57

Enacting their most violent fantasies while women

14:59

are just like enjoying the utopia outside

15:03

So this is basically you're describing as

15:05

a metaphor for Guys

15:07

playing fortnight or call of duty well

15:10

over their landlines. Exactly. No, I'm

15:12

talking about like real war, you know Yeah, but

15:14

I'm saying it's a metaphor for that, right? How

15:16

is that a better metaphor than like real

15:19

war? I

15:23

think that is about how many

15:25

to stop playing video No,

15:32

I'm saying that's it bring

15:35

them up put a minute plug him in

15:37

wait Gosh

15:43

you know long 1917 would have been if I

15:45

started in at two minutes because I would have

15:47

KMS immediately At

15:49

the side of the first gun Funny

15:51

you see this one character dropped

15:54

off fresh off the truck He's

15:58

like no Gotta

16:01

go! His uniform's still clean.

16:03

You were doing

16:05

the analog of it's a

16:07

simulation that men are in.

16:09

Yeah. This is awesome. I'm

16:11

not crazy. I'm not crazy.

16:14

I understand what you're saying.

16:16

I think what you're saying is, I'm

16:19

worried what you're saying is they're like, well, what,

16:21

oh, but Ben wouldn't be doing war because that's

16:23

not real. They'd be doing video games. But what

16:25

we're saying is, oh, there's war, there's

16:27

wars right now that are real.

16:29

And so they think they're doing

16:31

real war. Right, so it's not only just like pretend

16:34

Fortnite fighting. There's real fighting happening right now, but we'd

16:36

love to put that maybe in.

16:38

You guys could just maybe do that. Yeah,

16:40

I'm agreeing with that privilege. No, but I

16:42

think what we were saying is like, you're like, well, it's a

16:44

metaphor for video games. And we're like, it's a metaphor for real

16:46

life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. You and I went out and

16:48

said, yeah, yeah. Because it's not even a metaphor. It's just real

16:50

life. But video games are a metaphor for

16:52

real life. I'm not a gamer, by

16:54

the way. It's like that, but

16:57

bigger than that. Right. That's

16:59

what a movie's for. Okay.

17:02

I think, I think we're

17:04

all speaking the same language

17:06

here. Right. Actually,

17:09

let's give him his own simulation.

17:11

Yeah. Are

17:16

we ganging? I don't know. This is what's

17:18

so funny though. I'm sorry. I feel like,

17:20

create the same image. Oh no, I've

17:22

never heard of this before. Very

17:25

new to me. You know, a lot of, you

17:27

know, I'm looking at a man right here who

17:30

I don't think would enjoy a war fantasy, uh,

17:32

simulation game. I told you, I

17:34

would kill KMS. You'd be banging

17:37

on that wall and get me to the girls.

17:39

So maybe it's like, it's also a pet. Okay.

17:41

This is part of our movie. Okay. Yeah. It's

17:43

also a test. It's like getting himself on site.

17:47

That's a battle. They're like, all right, let

17:49

him out. That's true. Be

17:53

part of society now. That

17:55

movie's getting made. Wow. It's a good idea.

17:57

It is good. all

18:01

the top movies of the last few years. Kind

18:03

of. This movie has everything. It's got

18:05

everything. Yeah, and then

18:08

in the women's world or whatever, it's

18:10

also fun to have a good time.

18:13

Beautiful. And Caroline, who's directing this movie? It's

18:16

gonna be directed by Christopher Nolan, unfortunately. Oh,

18:18

God. It's gonna be someone

18:21

who knows war. Oh, no. Bad

18:23

or good. I can't. Caroline

18:26

doesn't like him. I mean, I just mean

18:28

personality- I don't think I

18:30

have an opinion on him. But when I interviewed him

18:32

and I was like, I can't remember if you're evil

18:34

or right there. Yeah, does he have like some sort

18:37

of scandal? He's just British. Oh, okay. Caroline,

18:40

I don't know. It's hard to keep

18:42

track. Maybe this is not my conversation,

18:44

but I remember you saying, I don't

18:46

like his vibe. I don't like his

18:48

vibe. That's true. I don't think that's because he's

18:51

British. He has a bad vibe.

18:53

You think so? That's true. That's casting, obviously,

18:55

we'd all love to be in your movie, the three of us.

18:58

But I don't know,

19:00

put an asterisk. But no, the way

19:02

his hair is, it's a little, you know, it's a little

19:04

evil. Wait, we have a similar

19:07

haircut. No, you don't have- Wait a minute. It's

19:09

also like blonde. Yeah, his is

19:11

like combed back. Yeah. A

19:13

little bit more. He also- It's different. He's

19:15

a different look. I don't know if you've

19:17

seen pictures of young Nono, but he's

19:20

a good looking boy. Oh, don't call him Nono.

19:22

What? That's

19:24

why us in the industry

19:26

call him. No,

19:29

no. No, here's the thing I like about

19:31

him. Maybe I'm describing too much virtue to

19:33

like a very basic thing, but

19:36

something I like about him, because you think about these like

19:38

auteurs and these people who are workaholics, he

19:40

works with his wife and his wife is

19:42

like his producing partner on all his stuff.

19:45

So that's something to me that's always like, oh,

19:48

well you clearly, something, some

19:50

material in your relationship is working for

19:52

the positive and benefit. And

19:54

there's like a mutuality and respect there

19:56

that makes your movies, Max Girls.

19:58

Or you have to do- everything I

20:01

do. Wait okay I

20:03

have a real question

20:06

for you guys. Yeah do

20:08

you okay so

20:13

you've been following the I O Debri J

20:15

Lo yes scandal yes I

20:17

mean barely I didn't listen to the pod but

20:19

yeah and for those that may not know

20:21

I O Debri is a former guest of

20:23

GCF who was in a

20:26

few TV shows often she loves

20:28

us. Wait it wasn't your

20:30

episode. I

20:32

would imagine. I was like oh my

20:34

god. We would have been pumped up.

20:36

What's our foot cut out of it?

20:39

It was our friend Lacey Mosley's podcast

20:42

Scam Goddess. Oh yeah yeah. You

20:44

don't remember it now Carolyn started to interrupt

20:46

but on our show we

20:48

covered the gospel artist Fred Hammond and

20:51

he had this gospel song in three four

20:53

time which is the duh duh duh

20:55

duh and we made a joke this

20:58

sounds like the good nights at SNL and

21:01

then we did a bit on the

21:03

show where I O said like thanks

21:05

to Lauren. Well if we were on

21:07

top of anything well

21:11

I had a tik-tok that would have been a good thing to put

21:13

out. Anyway but uh that

21:17

okay so you know now

21:19

because she was podcasting for hours and hours

21:21

she had her own podcast she's talking about

21:23

she's giving her opinion she did and then

21:25

before you know it bam you're in the

21:28

dressing room with JLo apparently with tears in

21:30

your eyes. So

21:32

Caroline's referring to on a podcast

21:35

of Scam Goddess she talked her and

21:37

Lacey we're talking about JLo's

21:39

career is quote unquote a scam she

21:41

doesn't really sing her songs like things

21:44

that are sort of common knowledge

21:46

or common talking points about JLo's

21:48

career her singing ability and these

21:51

comments resurfaced via TMZ and

21:53

then went a little bit viral before her episode

21:55

of SNL that she hosted with JLo Jennifer

21:57

Lopez as the musical guest and then she made run.

22:00

Prince do It in one the sketches on the show.

22:02

Yes one and people were I think asking taylor

22:04

like what do you think and she that like

22:06

i don't know and then I guess than she

22:08

was like there was The son came to my

22:11

dressing room with tears in her eyes and like

22:13

apologize and I'll and jailers a and I was

22:15

like don't worry about it. Was

22:18

the tweets are pretty. Good

22:21

lawyer said she heard a be at

22:23

rehearsal in she heard me sing Rates

22:25

and Society. And.

22:28

It was like who I am

22:30

so does assistant woman is a

22:32

single. And other people have pointed

22:34

this out that this is sort of a

22:37

trump quote or a politician. Cloward sites and

22:39

their own American came after me with tears

22:41

in the eyes, a service detail on all

22:43

of our own, and a save us from

22:46

Evil just like it's that sort of. Am

22:49

in node yeah authors. So now

22:51

knowing this can happen. As

22:53

you all are pursuing your various careers

22:55

in ambitions, Are you now starting to

22:57

censor yourself and think I may be

23:00

in the room with Christopher Nolan some

23:02

day? I

23:04

was with my know at the record so

23:06

I called have no no I said ah

23:08

ah how it stand by all this exactly

23:10

even good looking guys am I yeah I

23:13

guess I don't know because it then you

23:15

can come the one week after his at

23:17

the secretly saw off and then you obviously

23:19

have seen those kind of coming on. Oh

23:21

come after him who cares. It

23:24

seems like actually what you say I'm

23:26

practicing be doesn't ultimately manner because he

23:28

is back baby outta the now. that's

23:30

true. Hosting that that why they. Call

23:33

it depends on the kind of crew you want

23:35

to. how know? Do this. let's

23:37

see got going on. Why these the.

23:39

Military parts of stand up. Not.

23:41

In this house I live in have a

23:44

special coming out. he he had a big

23:46

special enough looks communique. But it a little

23:48

while ago Serling did nervous smile and neither

23:50

did I actually said know that it was

23:52

up at sell for a while as him

23:54

I've been out with will any mainly aimed

23:56

at the or as as I say. I'm

23:58

not everything here. industry listening to

24:01

the podcast because obviously my podcast

24:03

is really huge take a listen

24:05

bad behavior but I do

24:07

know exactly how many people listen a week

24:09

and I am confident it's not the industry.

24:11

But also let's say someday

24:14

yeah Lord willing.

24:16

Oh no. Dexter is so

24:18

dumb. Young

24:20

dogs have really good hearing.

24:23

Okay anyway so

24:25

he let's say you're starring in

24:27

a rom-com now. Oh wow. Glenn

24:30

Powell. Directed by Christopher Nolan. Christopher

24:32

Nolan. It's called Love Bombing. Yeah. Oh my

24:34

god. Yeah and and now you were like I was so

24:43

comfortable with who was listening then but then yeah but

24:45

I'm above. Of course I talk a lot about Glenn

24:48

Powell usually. Right. Now

24:51

you have to come with tears of your eyes. I

24:55

feel like I don't maybe I'm

24:57

misremembering. I don't think I talk

24:59

about celebrities. I mostly talk about

25:01

my friends sometimes. Okay. Or people

25:03

in my life or even dates

25:06

that go on. I just started

25:08

doing that. Oh damn. And I'm

25:10

way more scared of that. Yeah.

25:12

But I don't think I talk about celebrities

25:14

often but maybe I'll start. Okay. You're already

25:17

conditioning yourself by having real life consequences. Oh

25:19

yeah. I personally do. I do. But I

25:22

haven't said I don't think well.

25:26

Yeah I don't think I've said anything. That

25:28

would be. Well what I do I would do tears

25:30

in my eyes. I actually can cry on command. I

25:32

can. I can. That's gonna come in handy.

25:35

So I can. For the second half of this bus.

25:37

In the rom-com. Yeah. And in the rom-com. It used to be

25:39

like a real disturbing prank I would actually do on people

25:41

all the time like when I was a kid. And

25:44

I won't reason. Well.

25:47

Well because I was a little goof.

25:49

I was a little goof. Okay so like

25:51

I had a piano teacher and I

25:53

like got a scale wrong or something but he's

25:55

been my piano teacher for years. It's not like

25:57

I was disturbing. We knew each other. But he

25:59

was. I was just like, oh Sterling, you did this

26:01

wrong again. And then I looked away at my little trick

26:03

and then looked back to him, tear streaming down my face.

26:06

And then he was like, oh my God, it's okay, it's

26:08

okay. And then I was like, ha ha ha, right? Because

26:10

I'm psycho. What was his reaction when you lied

26:12

to him? You know his reaction was, he told that

26:14

story for years and years and years. And he says, I'll never stop

26:16

talking about you. And that story, amazing. So that's kind of a

26:19

gift you've made. Made an impression. But yeah, I used to do

26:21

that and I probably was better as a kid. I see now

26:23

as an adult, it's kind of like, don't do

26:25

that. But as a kid, maybe

26:27

it's kind of like a fun party trick. Could you still do

26:29

it though? Yeah. Okay. Well,

26:31

I don't want it right now. Probably through the podcast.

26:33

Yeah, I can only get out maybe like

26:35

one tear at this point. I've

26:37

dried up more than enough. Squeeze one out. Wow.

26:41

What about you, Kevin? Who you were

26:43

listening from the industry? Top

26:45

five. As you ascend the ranks. As

26:48

I ascend what in particular? Yeah,

26:51

it's up to you. Well,

26:54

the thing I've always thought is that in

26:57

services like this, it exists already.

27:00

But whenever someone has an app where

27:02

it's very easy to almost

27:04

like probably AI generate a

27:06

transcription based on audio file with

27:09

a lot of ease and automate that

27:11

and then just like do a word

27:13

search. That's when we should all be

27:15

scared about stuff. In the

27:17

sense of like, you can give like a transcription service,

27:19

like listen to the CR podcast and they can make

27:22

a transcript probably in an hour or less. But when

27:24

it's something that's like very easy for

27:26

the run of the mill person to do, that's

27:28

when it's like, oh, there's people out

27:31

there that have. That's gotta be

27:33

already here. But

27:35

something that's like, I'm saying an app that's

27:37

like very easy and popular. It is already

27:39

here in some way currently. Yeah, but something

27:42

where it's like, let me put this podcast

27:44

into this transcription app and then it's like

27:46

here in 30 seconds or less. Post

27:48

that and then bam, Google

27:50

search is scraping. So that's

27:53

gonna be, oh geez.

27:56

Cause what I, you know. That's a lot of steps

27:58

though. But that's what I'm

28:00

saying. It's like once once there's even a few fewer

28:03

steps Yeah,

28:05

that it'll be like really Because

28:08

that whole episode of scam goddess is about JLo

28:10

or my crack incorrect I don't remember if it

28:12

was or not Okay, cuz I was like if

28:14

the whole episode was I'm sure a team like

28:16

was aware like that's a very popular podcast Yeah

28:19

If it was like a one for like one little

28:21

sense it was so I'd be like I'm so I would be

28:23

interested to see if We're team had reached out beforehand to be

28:25

like any chance getting this down. Oh Oh

28:29

She heard she's getting us now with JLo Cuz

28:32

I'm who you said it to TMZ in the beginning

28:34

like if I want a podcast and the whole topic

28:36

was like talking about Glenn Powell the guy I'll be

28:38

starting a movie soon with right what even would you

28:40

talk his teeth are weird like what would you say?

28:42

What would I say? I didn't

28:44

even see I actually haven't seen that movie yet

28:47

I'd love to but it's not out on streaming

28:49

days. It's fun. It is. Mm-hmm. Amazing. I'm excited

28:52

What would I talk about him? You

28:55

know, you know what? This would be the most I

28:57

could say you look like a lot of other people

28:59

Yeah, but you could say that about me too average

29:02

average Like you could really swap a

29:04

lot of people like you could get confused easily about who

29:06

that was Yeah, and

29:08

that's not even that mean. Yeah. No,

29:10

no, it's an interesting conversation because

29:12

certainly I don't know.

29:14

There's probably things I've done podcasts from 10 9

29:17

or 10 years ago that I don't stand by at all

29:19

Oh, yeah, there's one, you know, I have one in my

29:21

head right now. I'm gonna tell myself Yeah, I

29:24

made an eating disorder joke like 10 years ago that I

29:26

don't stand by at all Yeah, you listen to that podcast

29:28

episode every day. Yeah to remind myself of

29:30

my shame To remember where

29:32

I came really you can even remember that you made that

29:34

joke 10 years ago. Yeah Wow Yeah,

29:36

and I've like I didn't I maybe I

29:39

should but like I haven't gone back in

29:41

it I'm saying that's the one I

29:43

remember own podcast of my own podcast Well,

29:47

it's just been a while Files

29:49

at night and you're listening to the episode every day I

29:52

am listening to it every day in a way that's

29:54

like I could fix the problem by just I'm kind

29:56

of lazy I know he took it out that he wouldn't be

29:59

able to listen to it every day Oh, and growl. Yeah,

30:01

because it'll be gone forever. So,

30:03

I don't know. No, there's, and

30:06

that's what I can remember. I'm sure there's so

30:08

much more that I wouldn't stand by. And that's

30:10

just like general whatever and sensitive. That's not

30:12

about a particular person. Because a

30:14

lot of this conversation is with the

30:16

eye of ultimate assent that

30:19

even though most people are aiming for, it

30:21

is a privileged conversation. Like the whole Tina Fey

30:24

Bow in exchange on their podcast. I'm

30:26

sure you saw the clip. I don't think so. No.

30:28

And see this clip? No. So,

30:31

the clip. She was on Lost Culturists. Yeah, Lost Culturists.

30:33

And she was excellent. Yeah, amazing. She was

30:35

so funny in a way that like, and

30:37

I've never been negative

30:40

on her, but. But it was surprisingly good, I

30:42

think. Yeah. She's someone that like for as extraordinarily

30:44

off line as she is, she seems to

30:46

know everything that's going on. Right, yeah. In

30:48

a way that was really delightful and fun.

30:50

That's fun. So, they did an I don't

30:52

think so, honey. You know what?

30:54

I'm not gonna describe it. I'm gonna play it for

30:56

you because I think it's

30:59

a better distillation. Because

31:02

they do this thing on the podcast called I Don't

31:04

Think So Honey, which is that to host Matt, Bowen,

31:06

and whoever their guest is, say something that

31:08

they don't like in culture, they don't agree with,

31:11

there's something going on. It could be

31:13

anything of any sort. And this was Tina

31:15

Fey. I don't think so, honey. Bowen

31:17

Yang giving his real opinions about movies

31:19

on this podcast. Oh, yeah. I

31:22

regret to inform you that you are

31:24

too famous now. Yeah. I'm

31:27

getting what's gonna happen. You

31:29

having a problem with salt burn? Quiet

31:32

luxury. Keep it to

31:34

yourself because what are you gonna do

31:36

when Emerald Fennell calls you about her

31:38

next project? Where you play Carrie Mulligan's

31:40

co-worker in the bridal section of Harrods

31:43

and then actually takes a sexually violent turn.

31:45

And you have to pretend to be surprised

31:47

by that turn. You

31:50

hang out with Ariana and SpongeBob now.

31:52

That is your life. Okay. And

31:55

that one second thing, you've got about one year left and

31:57

then you... I know, honey. Oh, my God.

32:00

Learn from I know Expensive

32:05

I don't think so honey So

32:10

that's kind of the whole deal right Wow that

32:12

just Wow that took me I

32:15

am in Spongebob I said that was the one of the

32:17

boldest things I

32:21

don't think anyone that's not famous has called him

32:23

a spongebob Then online and

32:25

that's and that's really how you know, she's

32:27

so online. Yeah, the spongebob, you know, yeah

32:30

You know learn from I oh she

32:32

she knows enough of Emerald Fennell said

32:34

like she's still we're talking about that

32:36

though Like with them specifically is like Matt

32:38

and Bowen like have way like their teeth

32:40

They don't have any teeth anymore when it

32:43

comes to like criticism of pod like pop

32:45

culture the way they used to and she's

32:47

saying Have less teeth than you. Yeah currently

32:49

you are too famous and you're about to

32:52

be cast well, they continued to

32:54

talk about it in the in the

32:56

episode and The

32:58

thing she says is like because they talk about like

33:00

well people come to us for our real opinions And

33:03

we want to be authentic. She's like, yeah, but do you

33:05

want to have your podcast forever? Do you want to be

33:07

movie stars? Yeah Very yeah, like

33:09

do you want a good job and the thing

33:11

about that question is that I

33:14

honestly believe that is a Legitimate

33:17

question to consider for an elite few

33:20

I don't think it's most people because if

33:22

someone said if I say I don't

33:24

know Carolina I didn't like Renaissance that much that's not

33:27

true. I did like but if I said like Yeah,

33:29

that new Beyonce single the country stuff is not

33:31

for me That doesn't

33:34

threaten anything because there's no universe in

33:36

which I would ascend Well

33:38

to a position but this is why I'm saying yeah

33:40

in a way where it's like if I shit talked

33:44

Someone else's podcast that was like a peer of

33:46

ours. I legitimately didn't like yeah

33:48

That would be a little more problematic because

33:50

there would be like actual consequences right so

33:53

the sphere of like the tier

33:55

of what I was talking about even and on Lacey's

33:58

pockets like JLo's that be

34:00

like me talking about like, I don't like Joe Biden.

34:02

Like, that's probably what it felt like to her. Do you know what I mean? Of

34:04

course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She had no idea. She would

34:07

ever be face to face.

34:09

That's sad. Tear to tear with JLo.

34:12

I don't think anyone regrets saying less

34:14

or being a little more mysterious online.

34:17

I don't think everyone, anyone's ever said, I

34:19

wish I'd run my mouth more or given

34:21

more opinions. And even in the sense of

34:23

like, alluding to date, she went on her

34:26

friends or exes or whatever the case may

34:28

be. I think people would

34:31

do well for themselves to err on the side

34:33

of caution. Because the best case scenario of saying

34:35

all that versus the worst case scenario is never

34:37

worth it. I think of course, of

34:40

course. But I think if you like lose, I

34:42

can think of my favorite podcast episodes,

34:44

or just like content and

34:46

it's like when the hosts are being

34:49

more vulnerable. And so that's why like, I

34:51

think like infusing that obviously, it's like

34:53

a fine line. But if you're so like,

34:56

well, it won't pay off for

34:58

me, probably or like, the

35:00

like consequences are always going to be

35:02

like outweigh the pros. Yeah. But like, you're

35:04

not going to be memorable. Like, you're

35:06

not going to be a memorable host. I don't think

35:09

you're like not doing your job as like being authentically

35:11

you. Yeah, I think I'm like so

35:13

buttoned up. But I try to be like,

35:15

yeah, yeah,

35:18

I don't think you can even ascend at this

35:20

point. And like, you are like, giving them something

35:22

or you can be diplomatic. Yeah, you're like literally

35:24

my life. And then you would send to the

35:27

people like crying a little bit. And they're like,

35:29

I've been so sad and all these things have

35:31

happened to me. It's not the weeks they're like,

35:33

well, I booked this and I had this or

35:36

whatever. It's like the times they were like, share

35:38

a little bit more vulnerable. Yeah. But

35:40

that also depends on what is the actual

35:42

job of a person making stuff like that in

35:44

the same order. Because that's

35:47

kind of new. I mean, not to have

35:49

a boring conversation. That's the matter. But it's

35:51

like, but the idea of like, you do

35:53

need to, you do need to talk about

35:55

stuff that's happened to you. That's kind of

35:57

new that that is a requirement for. The

36:00

your. Career. Path even

36:02

and something as. Like. An

36:04

artistic endeavor solid that even if is just

36:06

stand up or just writing that's that's like

36:09

oh yes, you're an essay as severe. Joan.

36:11

Didion Yeah, I guess you talk about X y

36:13

Z or like sets. Are your Roxane gay or

36:15

someone who writes the job is to write personally

36:18

about your personalized but in every other facet of

36:20

it and even the way comedians are now. That

36:23

sort of vulnerability of like I'm going to say

36:25

about date. I went on. And. It's

36:27

real. Sounds like the whole jahmal a

36:29

nice sir interrogation. those was special like

36:31

this is all the seven willing to

36:33

tell you. but yeah that's. I

36:35

do think it's an odd. Pressure.

36:37

That maybe doesn't need to be so. There.

36:40

Can be some remove what's so maintaining

36:42

where you're tagged with the authenticity and

36:44

the vulnerability that is required to make

36:46

a connection with an audience. Yes, an

36:48

end of trust but I don't think.

36:51

The embedded requirement of that. Is.

36:54

Over disclosure told us an

36:56

exciting. So yes, I think it's

36:59

like the longevity of like. An

37:01

audience and knowing. The audience

37:03

knowing yell yes I guess and I'm saying

37:05

this. Is like someone who's done it

37:08

s and and I reflect back

37:10

on my. Oh nice and

37:12

like I felt so much pressure

37:14

to do this or where I just

37:16

I just felt like it was

37:18

a way to courts it in in

37:20

in a sense of that make

37:22

sense like it is. If I share

37:25

more then saddle engender loyalty in

37:27

and that's I think a self perpetuating

37:29

cycle. Yeah in a way that people

37:31

will respond to what you give

37:33

them. An learn how to

37:36

have the relationship based and that.

37:38

It. Doesn't have to be like. Yeah. But you

37:41

really need to tell you know and it's

37:43

like the the Thing without we demand a

37:45

report or even the beyond say thing is

37:47

a good example of like she's writing country

37:49

songs in a vernacular, words like she's talking

37:51

about. Have. A nine to five jobs are

37:53

going to die Barnes Like This is not auto

37:55

fictional. This is not having to do with her

37:58

life, but that's also not her job. Those

38:00

I'm a Music right? To. Disagree.

38:05

Quiet now. As

38:07

a society making music into incoming like

38:09

slightly different less the medium the. Comedy.

38:11

As like a movie or tv show.

38:13

That. Slaves. But I think again, like stand up

38:15

or even less than that, you are. Quote

38:18

unquote Yourself which are this is the

38:20

conversion of whatever but if it's it's

38:23

so hard to send. Have not been

38:25

in use some elements. Of for you

38:27

are you know like other than just like

38:29

your purse like over cookie or I'm a

38:31

peter? whatever. That not fox couldn't get like

38:33

people come to for it even say like

38:35

outside of your life a take or like

38:37

whatever like these boys and so they are

38:39

Takes are based on like your experiences as

38:41

you're like not willing to share any of

38:43

them but I'm a button the person ever

38:46

so I'm like I'm like i'm just gonna

38:48

it said penis thing I think it'll lose

38:50

nothing and it's they'd never is I think

38:52

I'm had push myself to be a little

38:54

bit more open batches. I'm like actually the

38:56

other corner that I make my princess for

38:58

the government and they were like never see

39:00

a thing by yourself on so I'm selma.

39:02

Indictment. And I'm like I'm just trying to

39:04

be like a little teeny bit less fun.

39:07

For. Me, that's play Also the most been a

39:09

person a person in assists. Yeah. But I

39:11

know I know it's you same as and says. You.

39:14

Don't want to. Be. Withholding

39:16

about. Identity.

39:18

Or voice or

39:20

personality. And I guess there's almost

39:23

like a good way to think about, of like. Said.

39:25

The marketing that from information. Totally.

39:28

Yes, where it's I guess by yes

39:31

be generous and bees. Are you

39:33

can be like brave Almost and my yeah,

39:35

vulnerable in Candid In Those Was Said doesn't

39:37

also require it to be partnered up with

39:39

like. You notice

39:41

the difference between woods private versus

39:43

not? Yeah, no no, of course

39:46

and having something to protect. Yes,

39:48

no, I'm I'm all for nothing. Nothing.

39:50

Like. it if this was a pocket words as

39:53

i would listen and watch everything we're like

39:55

yeah i guess it's good are no five

39:57

star in that yeah that that really what

39:59

i'm good It's more of just like everything

40:02

that it takes and especially when it comes to like people

40:04

that may or may not be in your life

40:06

or can be in your life in the future,

40:08

as is the case in the most

40:11

rare times. Yeah, yeah,

40:13

it's a scary balance. It's

40:15

such a shortcut to getting, yeah, an

40:17

audience or getting a loyal

40:20

audience to like be intimate with people

40:22

who don't deserve it, you know? And

40:24

then you'd like, and we see this play

40:27

out even in like the reality TV cycle

40:29

all the time where like someone

40:31

goes on, they bear their ass. We

40:34

love them for it. We praise them for it.

40:36

We're like, thank you, I love it. Give me

40:38

more ass, please. And then all

40:40

of a sudden they're like, my ass is

40:42

getting kicked and like, or now you found

40:44

other things or now you

40:46

feel like you are owed

40:48

every secret of my life in

40:51

perpetuity because that's how you came to know me. And

40:54

then they have to like push people back

40:56

after that. And then they're irrelevant. And

40:58

then no one wants you anymore. Cause it's like, well, I don't

41:01

come to you for your entertaining, you know, academic

41:03

opinion. I came to you because I want the

41:05

mess of your life, you know? Yeah.

41:08

So, and it's, yeah, it's a

41:10

terrible cycle. Yeah. It's a trade

41:12

off. I just have to know who your audience is. Like, I think

41:14

sometimes when you are like trying to be like a little more

41:17

revealing about yourself in my head, I'm like, oh, well it's

41:19

like for my girls, you know? But then

41:21

sometimes the girls aren't listening and somebody else. I saw

41:23

the boys, I was scared actually. Something

41:26

that happened to me actually just one week ago

41:28

is the men online came for me in a

41:30

way that I, I haven't

41:32

been bullied so hard in my life. I

41:34

know I have. I mean, not like really, but like

41:37

I haven't had so much like hate online before. And

41:40

that's why I'm here tonight. Oh yeah,

41:42

yeah, yeah. Deziel. Yeah. So now

41:44

I'm like, I'm like always like, oh, like, like,

41:46

I'm always scared of a certain section listening or

41:48

like watching him being like, and I'm

41:50

like, oh no, that like you have to be a little bit like

41:52

careful because I mean, I was careful, but you

41:55

never know like who it's gonna reach. Yeah,

41:57

it can reach people who are not appreciating

41:59

your vulnerability. that you're intended on it. No,

42:01

yeah, and have no like closeness

42:03

to your mind at all. It's like

42:05

the worst faith argument on it. Yeah,

42:07

I want to avoid that as much as possible.

42:10

Yeah, which is like kind of the built in cost

42:12

of doing business, but. So true. I like

42:14

doing this show, like we have

42:17

built trust with our audience to

42:19

a degree. Like we share things.

42:21

Or destroyed it. But also, no, both ways.

42:24

Like also I trust our audience

42:26

to not be weird to us

42:29

as well, right? Or like demand things

42:31

of us. That they don't have a

42:33

right to or whatever so far. Yeah.

42:37

So. Like you don't have the right

42:39

to remain silent by Phillips, Craig and Dee. Exactly.

42:44

So whatever we share on here, I usually feel

42:46

like, oh, this isn't gonna like come back to

42:48

bite me later with our audience,

42:50

or I'm not gonna get flooded in the comments

42:53

with like weird stuff or like a

42:55

position I can't deal with or something. Failing yourself,

42:57

I think of the 2020s concern of

43:00

caveatting everything to fuck. Of like, and I

43:02

know this doesn't represent everything. And I know

43:04

there's other people that might disagree. And I

43:06

know this comes from a place of, just

43:09

understanding like if someone does trust you

43:11

as an individual, that

43:13

those things are understood implicitly.

43:15

Yeah. And if there's

43:18

harm in the implication, then being

43:20

open to correction to that, but

43:22

not feeling the preemptive defensiveness

43:25

of having to cloak it

43:27

in this like thick veneer of, but you

43:30

understand I'm actually a good guy and

43:32

I'm on your side. Yeah, for sure. That's

43:34

another element of it, yeah, for sure. Wow.

43:38

Just understanding like if someone does trust

43:41

you as an individual, that

43:43

those things are understood implicitly.

43:45

Yeah. And if there's

43:48

harm in the implication, then being

43:50

open to correction to that, but

43:52

not feeling the preemptive defensiveness

43:54

of having to cloak it

43:57

in this like thick veneer of. But

44:00

you understand I'm actually a good guy and I'm

44:02

on your side for X-Witching. Yeah, for sure. That's

44:04

another element of it, yeah, for sure. Wow.

44:08

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44:10

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44:12

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44:15

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back to good Christian fund. It's time to

47:05

dive into the topic. Were

47:09

you ever, did were you

47:12

ever, experiencing Christian music, growing

47:14

up, any sort of religious exposure?

47:17

Did we talk about this in your last

47:19

episode as well? We did on my.

47:22

Jesus revolution. My papa episode. Your

47:24

Ronnie jersey. Cause

47:27

this is the Prince episode. This is my Prince

47:29

episode. We had a wonderful first act. And the

47:31

second act is gonna be even better. We

47:34

did, we did talk about my religious upbringing. I'm

47:38

offended that you don't remember. No, but the music in

47:40

particular. Oh, the music? I can't

47:42

recall, I'm so sorry. Well,

47:46

I can't recall if we talked about it. I can recall if I'm not

47:49

sure. Can you imagine? Marielas,

47:51

but I guess other

47:53

than going to church, but

47:55

we didn't ever listen to that music in our

47:57

home. So there wasn't, it was.

48:00

like him or her I

48:02

said okay I'm embarrassed but you

48:04

aren't touching this rock-and-roll

48:17

kind of stuff it's kind of

48:20

definitely not touching that's cool as fuck

48:22

shit I guess I require camp

48:25

for a summer I've been singing something but

48:27

I think they were hymns again

48:29

yeah but I was

48:32

never deviating from just kind of the trend and

48:34

true that was in the big book so

48:37

I wasn't doing anything rock and roll like

48:39

this this was this was a journey I

48:42

haven't never heard of it was shocking

48:45

and I actually did

48:47

listen to this in my own home with my roommate

48:49

who had to walk by and say what are you listening to and

48:52

I had to say I put I

48:54

did this actually I put my Spotify

48:56

on private because I was like oh is every playlist

49:01

gonna be like you love this album you listen

49:03

the whole thing girl and it's gonna only give

49:05

me this kind of music now wait

49:07

just going Spotify private is that not what

49:09

that does I think that no that just

49:11

hides it from your homies it just hides

49:13

it from like the seed you

49:16

thought you were hiding it from Spotify himself

49:19

mr. Spotify sees all you

49:22

can press there's a button you can press that

49:25

you can't like you don't go in you know

49:27

like don't put this in my Spotify rap that

49:29

would be like

49:32

don't my algorithm I'm doing this for other reasons so they they

49:34

are called

49:42

private sessions I believe so

49:45

start a private session that okay so

49:49

let's look this up temporarily hide your

49:51

activity from your followers private sessions will

49:53

automatically end up for six hours or

49:55

when you restart Spotify I think it

49:57

still affects the algorithm yeah

50:00

I'm so fortunate to say. I am. I'm

50:02

so sorry. This album's gonna be my number one at this point.

50:04

I'm gonna be in February. This is about to get hit. What

50:06

is your number one this year so far? If

50:08

you had to take a yes at what you've

50:10

been listening to a lot. Hmm.

50:13

Okay, well, in the last week I've been listening to a

50:15

lot of new music. Kind of before

50:17

that, I couldn't tell you. I've been, I don't

50:19

know, I know it's kind of basic. I listen

50:21

to a lot of Noah Khan. Okay. People love

50:24

Noah Khan. I've been listening to a lot of

50:26

the Maggie Rogers new song, Loving It. The

50:28

huge Casey Musgraves fan, Loving That New

50:30

Song. Did you, are you on the

50:33

new train, the Musgraves train? Yes.

50:36

Okay. And my Saturn hasn't returned breaking

50:38

news. So I love to kind of see, my Saturn's returning.

50:41

It's rough. Rough, rough time. I

50:43

think it was when you were like 27. Starting. Starting

50:45

my new one. I started last March for me.

50:47

I'm going till next year. This is a bumpy

50:49

ride. So I like to see, she seems at

50:51

peace. And I like to look forward and say

50:53

that could keep that going. That could be me.

50:55

But it's, I still got a year to go.

50:58

Yeah. You know

51:00

what? She did get divorced, but she kept the house

51:02

and she redecorated it. That's good. But

51:04

they were in. I saw her husband in concert last

51:06

year by, I mean, he was

51:08

opening. I didn't have a choice. You

51:11

didn't have a choice. And

51:14

then that girl fall on her footsteps, AKA, Maren

51:16

Morris divorced as well. And they, she had a

51:18

gorgeous, it seemed like to see the gorgeous marriage

51:20

on stage at the concert. But you

51:22

know, there was another country divorce that bummed me

51:24

out recently. Jason Isbell and

51:26

Amanda Shires. They never

51:29

heard these people. And you've heard the name Jason Isbell.

51:32

Okay. Also, Caroline, you're the

51:34

one who started to put you on

51:36

blast on this podcast. We

51:39

said Clint Black,

51:41

Travis Tritt, the judge. And

51:43

you were like, these are made up. Who's tit? Fuck.

51:47

We were reading old Super Bowl

51:49

halftime show performers and

51:52

they are country. And apparently they're like country

51:54

all stars. Yeah. They're not

51:56

like the one, sorry, the backwash

51:58

of these. Just kind

52:01

of the backlash of pop culture. Yeah,

52:03

I did see that comment. I

52:07

was like, oh. Because

52:09

we were talking, it was, to

52:11

put it in context, we were talking

52:13

about other performers like Elvis Presto. And

52:16

I think there was like a monster truck rally or

52:18

whatever. We were talking about how all these nobody were

52:21

doing halftime shows. There was a period before

52:23

there was a significant corporate glow up

52:25

of the halftime show and that's when

52:27

you get Rolling Stones. Caroline's

52:30

affirmation Britney Spears into the mix

52:32

and whatnot. And Clint Pitt

52:34

was like in that era. I'm

52:37

sorry, I don't know him. You

52:40

do know Jason Isbell? If you

52:42

know the song, Maybe It's

52:44

Time to Let the Old Ways

52:46

Die by Jackson Man. Because he

52:48

wrote that song. Oh, Country Ghostwriter.

52:50

I thought it was

52:52

Willie Nelson's son who

52:55

was writing a lot of that. I

52:58

don't think you understand what drag names are. I

53:02

don't know about that one. I

53:05

love Weed and Honkin right now. He's

53:15

not just a star in his own right. He

53:28

did that song that Greg Hess played

53:31

for us in Holly Laurent when they

53:33

did our Valentine's Day show six years

53:35

ago that made you cry on air.

53:38

I'm forgetting about it. Like something

53:40

about... Apologizing.

53:45

And it's called If We Were Vampires by Jason Isbell in

53:47

the 400 Unit. And it's

53:50

about love enduring. And you

53:52

cry on air. I have this memory of it.

53:54

A long time ago. So in

53:56

fact you love Jason Isbell. And guess

53:59

what? There's more Jason go

54:01

around he's starring in killers of the flower

54:03

moon streaming on Apple TV plus So

54:05

you can sit your tushy down is the

54:08

bell is in killers of the flower moon Yeah,

54:10

and he's excellent in it. He plays one of the

54:12

is Bell. Mm-hmm Okay, I'm looking him up

54:14

so I can see his face and then

54:16

I now I'm like I know this man

54:19

Yeah, you don't need to say sorry

54:21

to this man. They come for me what

54:23

I meet That's a no Support

54:28

you gosh, I've got

54:30

to say Google images having a hard time showing

54:32

his just his face Answer

54:36

like far away. Okay. They're

54:39

not giving me a good reason to like

54:41

really okay So Amanda Shires, is she also

54:43

a country star? Yes, she's excellent

54:45

She's in a quartet a supergroup

54:48

called the high women With

54:50

with Maron Morris and a bunch

54:53

of the others as well. That's right. I'm women

54:55

Wow that is that's I bet that's rocking

54:59

The whole country world and a lot of divorce. Yeah Which

55:02

is kind of on brand for the genre

55:04

of country. There's the right break. Yeah, gosh Is

55:07

there anything better than a divorce album? Oh Bruce

55:10

Frank seems to love great divorce album Well,

55:13

and and that's why country age as well

55:15

because they're always talking about adult

55:17

problems in it in a way that oftentimes

55:20

pop and rock is like Let's

55:22

have fun and get fucked up and country

55:24

songs are like I can't make my mortgage

55:27

I'm the papers today. Yeah today. It's

55:30

a lot of paperwork song But

55:33

do you think do you really think like a divorce album

55:35

is good versus just like a really good breakup album?

55:38

Because okay, you think divorce particularly

55:40

I actually don't know cuz I think

55:43

by the time maybe you're getting divorced You're less heartbroken than

55:45

a breakup. Well, I

55:47

haven't been divorced. So maybe I don't know but Cuz

55:50

like let's take it back to Coldplay.

55:52

I'm sorry. Take it that divorce album.

55:54

Sure was dad Which

55:57

one was their divorce album ghost

55:59

stories? Oh, that's their

56:01

divorce form? I think so. I could be

56:03

so wrong, but I remember listening to it in college, and I

56:05

was like, this is sad. So

56:07

this is what divorce is. It's sad. But it

56:09

didn't hit me in a way that like, a

56:12

good break. It didn't. I've said, I don't know. I

56:14

think there's better just regular breakup albums than a

56:16

divorce album. That's fair. Yeah. I think it

56:18

falls under breakup umbrella and breakup. I think

56:20

they've done too much therapy to have those

56:23

raw emotions. Yeah. They're like a little, they're

56:25

a little more like, OK, you know, I

56:27

see both sides of it. Yeah, exactly. They're

56:29

both sides. I want raw emotions. Yeah. And

56:31

I want fuck you. Yeah. Well,

56:33

that's why, yeah, I mean, oftentimes the divorce album

56:36

is called like, this is the album they made

56:38

right before they got divorced. So

56:40

like, it's called Love. Oh, I'm thinking

56:42

it's like, it was a marriage album. And then

56:44

you got divorced like a year later when each

56:46

and one's wife. Oh, and he was sad about

56:48

that? Yeah. You

56:50

were sad about him self-heating? No,

56:52

I mean, no, listen, the chronology

56:55

is... He's like, wait, wait, what?

56:57

Five miles? The

56:59

album is him kind of chronicling his

57:01

marriage in these auto fictional and distant

57:03

ways in third person. And

57:06

then it kind of makes sense later when

57:08

it's like, oh yes, the marriage was falling

57:10

apart and become public knowledge. Because Casey Musgrave's

57:12

divorce album, most people don't like, right? Star-crossed.

57:15

I was playing just the other day. It's good.

57:17

It is. There's some good response. It's definitely

57:19

as good as old an hour. It's sad. Yeah.

57:21

There's, I think it's almost a little too sad,

57:23

I'll be honest. That can be the problem with

57:26

the divorce album. Yeah. It's just too sad and

57:28

we need a little more... She

57:31

has this one song that's just like, we

57:34

should stay together because imagine being single,

57:36

there's nothing worse than that. And it's

57:39

one of the saddest things you could listen to. Yeah. But

57:42

I think that's why a divorce album, maybe

57:44

as I grow older, I appreciate it more.

57:46

Because there's so much more lore with a

57:49

married couple. And also, if she's already famous,

57:51

it's a public relationship, you know? And all

57:53

of this stuff. And people have all this

57:55

investment. And yeah, so the pain...

58:00

is like deeper. It's not like, Oh, I

58:02

found you were texting someone else. Like after

58:04

we were dating for three months, you know,

58:06

it's like we

58:08

had, we built the home together. Are

58:11

you like very succinctly right now kind

58:13

of articulating a lot of Taylor's appeal

58:16

in that in a way, even though she's

58:18

never been married, she's sort of making a

58:20

divorce album every couple of albums because of

58:22

the, yeah, like the parasocial

58:24

thing of, Oh, we understand what this

58:26

could kind of be about as

58:28

she's gotten older too. And her relationships got longer,

58:31

you know, and when the

58:33

dead poets society has like farewell London and

58:35

fuck you or whatever the song is called,

58:37

everyone's like, well, that's about right. I feel like

58:41

that one will be a divorce album because

58:44

they could have had a, um, what's

58:46

it called when you live together so long. Um,

58:48

Oh yeah. Good common law. Common law.

58:50

I don't know how that works in

58:52

the UK, but maybe they were common

58:54

law there. They call it

58:56

Coleman law. I come

59:00

in low with your London boy. It's

59:02

hard is sometimes like Casey Messke has

59:04

made that really good album golden hour.

59:06

Really good. And it's a little better.

59:08

Sad that the second one kind of

59:10

husband was worse. Oh no.

59:12

What if I got into her Casey Messke is missing my downfall.

59:16

Oh, but he was really good. And I loved every

59:18

single day. I'm not going to come on by

59:20

behavior now. Oh, she's our number one guest. You've

59:22

been trying to get, I know. Damn it.

59:24

There it goes. Um,

59:27

yeah. Yeah. But I love, I

59:29

love a breakup album. So I'm excited for trailers,

59:31

but I say this don't

59:33

be too sad. Don't be or also way. We could have taken

59:36

a little break. I mean, rumors, rumors,

59:38

practical standard of this problem that's going on

59:40

in that, in that

59:42

band, but you know, it's not a breakup

59:45

album. His new thing.

59:51

Released in 1990, the boys

59:53

of decent Christian, Toby

59:56

Mac, Michael Tate, Kevin

59:58

max. I was just, Just Born, Kevin

1:00:00

was one. Sterling, you

1:00:03

were negative four. I was

1:00:05

really, really, really bad. You were like, really?

1:00:07

You were like, really? You think you were

1:00:09

somewhere, and like somehow, you know,

1:00:11

wherever you were existing, or whatever

1:00:14

dimension, you still kinda heard

1:00:16

new things? Yeah,

1:00:18

I'm sure of that. Especially with the kind of

1:00:20

music that was in my home, I

1:00:22

think for sure. I

1:00:24

think my mom was just, yeah, it came through

1:00:27

her DNA. Yeah, yeah, this is definitely the kind

1:00:29

of album my mom would have listened to. This

1:00:31

is the sound of Sterling being passed through

1:00:35

the birth canal. Pies,

1:00:38

pies. No,

1:00:41

this is like, should we have a

1:00:43

kid? Maybe

1:00:45

in a few years. Yeah, cut to. Well,

1:00:49

I think this is more like, should I have a kid?

1:00:51

And then the song says, actually you must. Oh

1:00:55

yes, we'll listen to that. There's no question mark.

1:00:57

You will. You must. You must.

1:00:59

You must, yeah. Sterling's parents are doing

1:01:01

a new thing. Wow. Oh

1:01:03

no. DC Togg. I haven't been born until

1:01:05

four years later, so I was definitely not in the birth

1:01:08

canal, Kevin. Well, maybe they were, you know, maybe

1:01:10

they were listening to some oldies. Even my point egg was coming down and

1:01:12

they were like revisiting. They were like. They were jamming

1:01:14

too hard, the egg kinda came down, and then the

1:01:17

song fell. I was

1:01:19

like, now's not my time, I wanna be a little bit

1:01:21

younger. They were jamming too hard,

1:01:23

and the egg came down. The egg came down

1:01:25

the flopier too, and then it's like, ooh.

1:01:27

And just to recap it for Sterling, this

1:01:29

is a group of young men that met

1:01:32

on the campus of Liberty University, one of

1:01:34

the premier. Oh, I know that. Both people.

1:01:36

Follow family, beautiful place. In

1:01:40

America. The amusement park of Christianity. Toby

1:01:43

Mack, the white rapper. Michael

1:01:45

Tate, the soulful, pristine voice, and

1:01:47

Kevin Mack's the kinda weirdo, kinda

1:01:49

the David Bowie of the group, if you think about

1:01:52

it. He's certainly wanted that via his vibrato. Sorta

1:01:54

the one who's singing the most

1:01:56

powerful hooks, in a way, and really

1:01:59

putting his. voice into it, depending

1:02:01

on the song. And

1:02:03

they're a band who, as of

1:02:06

this album, Caroline, we've covered every

1:02:08

single album they've made except for

1:02:10

Jesus Free. We've covered them full.

1:02:12

But we've covered DC Talks, Supernatural,

1:02:14

Free At Last, and now New

1:02:16

Thing. We've talked about songs from New Thing.

1:02:18

We've talked about literally the song New Thing. That

1:02:20

was the beginning of our podcast last year,

1:02:22

at the beginning of 2013. We talked

1:02:24

about a song called, I Love

1:02:27

Rap Music with her

1:02:30

friend Dave Sandie. It's such

1:02:32

a sweet

1:02:40

chorus for a rap song.

1:02:55

Oh, it's like honey. It's sweet

1:02:57

like honey. It goes down real smooth.

1:02:59

And it does make you wonder, because

1:03:01

it's hard to contextualize it, almost four

1:03:03

decades later, is this two

1:03:07

1990s hip hop, what Hamilton was

1:03:10

to 2016 hip hop, 2015 hip

1:03:12

hop, where it's like, well, this

1:03:15

genre exists. This will be the palatable version

1:03:17

of it that all sorts

1:03:20

of audiences can get into. It's

1:03:22

sort of like Easy Bridge or Gateway,

1:03:24

where it's still technically the genre, even

1:03:26

if it doesn't perhaps represent the best

1:03:28

of the genre in a lot of

1:03:30

ways. Hamilton was like the gateway to

1:03:32

rap for people in 2016. I

1:03:34

swear to God, there's people who saw Hamilton as

1:03:36

the first time they had engaged with rap as

1:03:39

a legitimate art form. You know what I mean?

1:03:42

People, I don't know, Broadway people

1:03:44

or an older crowd or set

1:03:46

of, I don't know, all those

1:03:48

people that have, Mike Pence, you

1:03:50

know, Mike Pence, Samuelson, probably never

1:03:52

heard rap before. That's true. He

1:03:54

was too busy cranking adventures in Aussie

1:03:56

for the squad in the car. One

1:03:58

of his favorite. So yes,

1:04:00

this is them in the

1:04:03

formation of they are a

1:04:05

rap rock trio Combining

1:04:08

all these different genres This is more them in

1:04:10

their like more of the hip-hop

1:04:12

more the MC Hammer style influences

1:04:14

of turn of the

1:04:16

decade 80s into 90s and

1:04:18

the thematics on this album in

1:04:20

particular are Very

1:04:23

broad in most of the songs. It's like

1:04:25

hey take it to God Hey,

1:04:28

I love rap music like

1:04:30

very general sort of sentiment

1:04:33

and then sometimes They're a

1:04:35

little more specific I'll hit you with the

1:04:37

topic Sure will a

1:04:40

topic like say racism

1:04:42

being bad Caroline or

1:04:45

in the case of a song called children

1:04:47

can live parentheses without it abortion

1:04:51

Sterling yeah, they'll hit you

1:04:53

with abortion On

1:04:56

new thing Or

1:04:59

yes, I mean on new things they'll talk

1:05:01

about doing a

1:05:03

new thing The

1:05:06

was it that children can live without

1:05:08

it it does Feature the

1:05:10

line one. You know what? Let me

1:05:12

let me just play one of my favorite couplets on

1:05:14

the album and I do have a few Oh

1:05:38

In result murder on the

1:05:40

legal There's

1:05:46

Michael I Certainly

1:05:51

the gentleman Singing

1:05:53

right now is a man. I saw in concert

1:05:55

Carnegie Hall two months ago in New

1:05:57

York concert

1:06:00

show a Christmas show with Amy Gran and

1:06:02

Michael W Smith and he was some

1:06:04

of the featured talent and Boy,

1:06:06

did he sing? He did not sing this song.

1:06:09

He's roaming around the stage. Can you imagine? He's

1:06:11

like, thanks Amy for rocking out the Christmas tree.

1:06:13

I'm the encore. He's red. He

1:06:18

sings the acapella and only the chorus.

1:06:21

His parts. Yeah,

1:06:23

that was an interesting one for

1:06:26

me. Yeah. Did you see this coming? Did

1:06:28

I see this coming? Yeah, well Well,

1:06:31

there was already a song that was kind

1:06:33

of crazy I think on the not that

1:06:35

I won't say what but like that came

1:06:37

before this I think I was kind of

1:06:40

disturbed by That

1:06:42

set me up and I said by that

1:06:44

point when I was listening to the album I

1:06:46

said I'm prepared and also I had a spoiler

1:06:48

alert that Kevin You got into this

1:06:50

song and I said sure haven't Then

1:06:52

that's when I pulled up the Spotify lyrics because I

1:06:54

said I think I'm not hearing all the words You

1:06:58

Yeah, this one. I Don't

1:07:01

know. I was like, I think they should kind of

1:07:03

rewrite that main lyric children can live without it. It's

1:07:05

like Well, it's a

1:07:08

little bit confusing. Yeah, it's kind of like like like

1:07:10

it should be more like what children could live Right.

1:07:13

I don't know period live without. Yeah, it's

1:07:15

like a five double. Yeah, I'm confused. But

1:07:17

yeah, it's a little like in line without

1:07:20

message They

1:07:22

should be a little more like you said can you

1:07:24

live without bread? I'm like, yeah, I could live without

1:07:26

bread But

1:07:28

that's not what you mean to say. Yeah Kevin

1:07:32

if I take bread away, could you live? No,

1:07:35

like the it's on the razor's edge of

1:07:37

almost wordplay and I do wonder if that

1:07:39

was part of the intent Yeah of it.

1:07:41

I'm not sure which is excellent songwriting when

1:07:44

you're not sure what Yeah,

1:07:47

but you're for something as Didactic

1:07:50

a miracle of God now looked upon as

1:07:52

a choice It's time for all children

1:07:54

to unify a voice and

1:07:56

you do love when choice and voice are rhymed

1:07:58

about in any song Yes

1:08:01

reproductive rights in this

1:08:03

fashion, so they do get specific

1:08:05

about this stuff Even

1:08:08

though the production wise is from genius calm

1:08:11

even though production wise The song

1:08:13

is basic going back to the standard formula of

1:08:15

Toby Wrapping on the verses and taten max singing

1:08:17

on the courses the topical issues

1:08:19

are explored in great detail Greater

1:08:22

than on other songs like new thing gets

1:08:24

like yeah, I guess it is explored better

1:08:28

Doing a new thing is explored a

1:08:30

new thing true. That is true But

1:08:34

something that again they've not they

1:08:36

they never really performed these or

1:08:39

paid Mention or homage to

1:08:41

them after this album comes out

1:08:43

I think I get the sense that they're embarrassed of

1:08:45

their first two albums especially because

1:08:47

like so much of the the

1:08:49

creative driver of the band is

1:08:52

Toby and Basically,

1:08:55

especially in these albums taten max or

1:08:57

his hook boys. It's like I'm ripety-rap

1:08:59

and God is good I think reason

1:09:01

why they stopped performing it too because they were like we don't

1:09:03

want to be your backup Bitches anymore

1:09:06

Toby like we are yeah, he talked if you're

1:09:08

called Toby Mac in the back of bitches. There's

1:09:10

a called Sterling

1:09:14

what was the song that you thought was even

1:09:16

crazier? I came before I guess it wasn't

1:09:18

crazier It just had specific

1:09:21

lyrics. They said oh boy I

1:09:23

would say talk it out. I

1:09:25

said oh boy Which

1:09:32

starts with a little sample of Children's

1:09:36

television show This

1:09:38

is definitely the most after-school especially

1:09:40

yeah Yeah of the song

1:09:42

and you do get a clear sense of

1:09:45

oh what they're into the demographic and

1:09:47

aim for this album Oh

1:10:04

It's like, talk it out. Okay,

1:10:27

but how do you mean? They're just

1:10:30

like, oh! Oh! Very...

1:10:36

Hey, you

1:10:38

know what? Mom and Dad are gonna know. Go

1:10:41

home to Mom and Dad, and have

1:10:43

some of the answers. That's the way

1:10:45

we gotta do it. One voice, one

1:10:47

unit, a Christian theme. Add it all

1:10:49

together to build a team. Yeah, the

1:10:51

structure under attack. It's strange.

1:10:55

They're talking about two different things here. They're

1:10:57

talking about the nuclear family of America being

1:11:00

destroyed by something. And then

1:11:02

they're talking about parents

1:11:05

you need to talk to

1:11:08

your children about unaliving themselves.

1:11:10

Right, okay. Am

1:11:13

I getting that right? Well,

1:11:15

they do say verbal interactions that top the list,

1:11:17

the only antidote to slashing the wrist, which is

1:11:19

very extreme. I actually

1:11:21

looked down the slashing the wrist. Oh, but

1:11:23

we're talking. Oh, my... Talk

1:11:27

it out. They're like,

1:11:29

un-talk it out. They were specific with

1:11:31

that one. I mean, that's

1:11:33

good. Hopefully

1:11:37

you should be able to talk to your parents about

1:11:39

it. But also, I don't think the parents are listening to

1:11:41

this song. No.

1:11:45

This is not a parent-heared sound.

1:11:47

Or was it their Hamilton, Caroline? We don't know.

1:11:51

It could be. This

1:11:53

is the entry point for a lot of parents. It's

1:11:55

like, oh, my God. I need to

1:11:57

be communicating with my child. I don't listen to hip-hop.

1:12:00

But you do get the sense, especially from

1:12:02

this song and then another song near the beginning

1:12:04

of the album, the second track. He

1:12:06

works, which is like, oh, this

1:12:08

is an album and this

1:12:11

is not pejorative, but it's an album for

1:12:13

children. Uh,

1:12:16

let me skip to the second verse of this.

1:12:30

Oh, my gosh. It

1:12:55

is the sound to

1:12:58

me. It is the sound of good intention. They

1:13:02

have them trying their best. I understand

1:13:04

that you want the best

1:13:07

for whoever's listening to

1:13:09

this song. You want us to thrive. You

1:13:11

want us to be good. You want us to talk to mom

1:13:13

and dad. You don't want us to get high. You want us

1:13:16

to have a little bit of confidence and swing our step as

1:13:18

we walk down the highways of our hallways of

1:13:20

our high school or the highways of

1:13:22

our high school either way. But it

1:13:24

is something that I

1:13:26

don't mean to be condescending or snarky

1:13:29

about it. This is

1:13:32

an incredibly cute hip hop album

1:13:34

because they are a scooby-doo. A

1:13:38

rippity bat. A poo-pity. Oh, yeah.

1:13:40

Like it is that throughout. They

1:13:43

are not iterating on the form. They're

1:13:45

not progressing it at all. And

1:13:48

because of the very primary

1:13:51

primal emotions associated with each

1:13:53

of the songs, it's

1:13:55

sort of a young, like a

1:13:57

12-year-old boy. Christian

1:14:00

rap album in a lot of ways for

1:14:03

all these reasons. Yeah, it's like we

1:14:05

need to give him message Very

1:14:09

dorky very still very like yeah, this

1:14:11

would be played at school. How old

1:14:13

were they when they made this? Oh

1:14:16

gosh Well, this came out in 1990. So

1:14:19

let's do the math. How old were they

1:14:21

have been Toby Mac was born in 64

1:14:24

So he's in his 20s 24

1:14:28

a for yeah, so he's in his late 20s 26. Yeah,

1:14:30

26 Wow That

1:14:35

older old a little older than I thought he would

1:14:37

be Michael tape is 24

1:14:39

and They

1:14:42

were a little little out of college at this

1:14:44

point Kevin Max is 23 actually that they're

1:14:47

older. This is actually good for me To

1:14:50

me. I was like these are 45 year old

1:14:52

men singing maybe oh, right? I don't know Thank

1:14:55

you because I I'm like so not Custom

1:14:59

to this music randomly not my

1:15:01

top five. I think the

1:15:03

way we'll be now The

1:15:06

waiter singing I really can't get out of my head

1:15:08

that it just sounds like Justin

1:15:11

Timberlake SNL sketch Alone

1:15:15

the weekend Justin Timberlake specifically

1:15:18

weekend. Oh Wait,

1:15:20

yeah, I like breaking on down Whatever

1:15:26

I think you've been having a weekend No

1:15:32

Yeah, like it sounds like what are they yeah But

1:15:36

maybe that's how they always on them then but I

1:15:38

just don't know if that's actually how everything sounded then

1:15:40

but to me It really I'm like well nothing terribly

1:15:43

like someone's album Well, no that that that

1:15:45

thousand percent makes sense because I feel like

1:15:47

Lonely Island is for sure influenced by BC

1:15:49

boys Who were huge

1:15:51

when this comes out so that yeah, yeah,

1:15:53

that's all part and parcel. So that's dead

1:15:56

on I mean what you're talking. Yeah,

1:15:58

you're picking it up I

1:16:01

also feel like it makes sense they

1:16:03

were, you know, 26, 24 or so. So

1:16:06

they had just exited the

1:16:09

bubble of Liberty University's campus,

1:16:12

where I'm sure every day on campus

1:16:14

they were told, outside these gates, it's

1:16:17

bedlam, it's mayhem, it's disgusting. You're going to

1:16:19

find just bodies in the street, all of

1:16:22

them babies. You know, it's going to be

1:16:24

crazy. So make sure you come out and

1:16:26

you come up strong with a point of

1:16:28

view, and they're going to come for you.

1:16:32

And people also need to hear this from you, Toby

1:16:34

Mac. They're not going

1:16:36

to be able to hear it otherwise. And so it

1:16:39

makes sense in some ways, they

1:16:41

were fresh out of college that they were like, we got

1:16:43

to hit these, hit on the head. Yeah.

1:16:47

Racism, abortion, and teen

1:16:49

suicide. What else was there? And

1:16:53

new things, Caroline. New things. Literally new

1:16:55

things. Rap music, defend it. It

1:16:57

was laughing at. So

1:17:01

they go for it. You know, there's a boldness. They

1:17:04

feel each other out and they go for it.

1:17:07

What does DC stand for? It's decent Christian. It's

1:17:10

decent Christian talk. Yeah, baby.

1:17:14

See, as a girl from Washington, DC, I said,

1:17:16

maybe they're talking about my hometown. Decent

1:17:19

Christian. Decent Christian. Well,

1:17:21

no, you're right, though, because Washington,

1:17:24

DC is Washington decent

1:17:26

Christian. Yeah. That's what the forefathers

1:17:28

named it. That is. They call this

1:17:31

DC talks because Washington, DC, listen. Yeah,

1:17:33

they're trying to get some policy

1:17:36

made. Yeah. Let's

1:17:39

talk to these guys. They were talking about their

1:17:41

forefounders. Forefathers? They do love the forefounders. Oh,

1:17:43

God. We listen, we

1:17:45

read an interview a couple of weeks ago of

1:17:47

them was in CCM Magazine. Yeah, where they were

1:17:49

like. And I believe Toby Mack said it was

1:17:51

the equivalent, Caroline pointed this out, that of Justin

1:17:55

Bieber saying Anne Frank would have been a believer.

1:17:58

And I believe Toby Mack said. Yeah,

1:18:00

the forefathers would have loved

1:18:02

Christian rap we think they

1:18:05

would have been into it The one

1:18:07

he referenced was Abe Lincoln Way

1:18:14

later this song Unfortunately

1:19:01

I love

1:19:03

their choruses

1:19:05

I think they're genuinely

1:19:08

catchy and obviously they're extraordinarily

1:19:10

talented singers To

1:19:13

label churches by color ain't nothing but wrong we're in

1:19:15

the same crew we're singing one song And you

1:19:18

do admire the heart behind the

1:19:20

idea of integration and

1:19:23

racial reconciliation You can also

1:19:25

imagine a black church being like, we're good You

1:19:31

didn't talk about this Hey,

1:19:33

we appreciate it. We're fine. Y'all

1:19:35

can do your thing. We'll do

1:19:38

ours Thank you Thank

1:19:41

you DC Top Get out there,

1:19:43

in your world Read

1:19:46

the message It also

1:19:48

features my favorite lyric on the

1:19:50

album Oh

1:19:58

Did you say swirl? Yeah Yeah. Oh.

1:20:01

Swirl. Cool. Okay.

1:20:04

Okay. I always like, they have

1:20:06

a few songs about racism. Actually, this is

1:20:08

not the first time they'd done this. No.

1:20:11

And yeah, it's always a

1:20:13

little clunky, but

1:20:16

I always have an affection that they tried at

1:20:19

a time when no one in CCM

1:20:21

would talk about this or care about it at

1:20:23

all. Yeah, that's the thing. You

1:20:25

have to give liberty university graduate. Like

1:20:27

it's surprising in some level so

1:20:31

I try to give them a smidge more credit than it

1:20:33

sounds like they should get. And again,

1:20:35

like I'm saying, I wonder if this was the Hamilton

1:20:37

of 1990 tip up. I

1:20:40

do wonder if it was actually sort of

1:20:42

shocking to

1:20:45

have in 1990 for CCM an integrated band.

1:20:50

Do you know what I mean? Maybe, yeah. Even

1:20:52

just a little bit in that way in

1:20:55

the form of Michael Tait being in the band as

1:20:58

well. And again, whether

1:21:01

black sheep, white sheep, or even

1:21:03

a swirl, God watches

1:21:05

over all the sheep of the world. The

1:21:07

fact that they're doing this whole song and Michael Tait isn't

1:21:09

even the one singing. Oh!

1:21:12

Think of it as this. Just like,

1:21:15

yeah, you know, it's a work

1:21:17

to do, they got there. The

1:21:20

other thing I wanted to point out, oh, no more. No

1:21:24

more, this is track four on the album. This is

1:21:26

Michael Tait here. Okay.

1:21:29

That's Toby Mack, the rapper. And

1:21:32

this is Kevin Mack, the, kind

1:21:35

of the sex of God of the band. Kevin,

1:21:39

well should that be my drag name, Caroline? Kevin

1:21:41

sex. That's closer to a drag

1:21:43

name. Okay. Kevin

1:21:46

Smacks. No

1:21:49

more. Man, where's

1:21:51

some other outstanding tracks on the

1:21:53

album for y'all? I am.

1:21:55

Any that y'all would drop. Any

1:21:58

that you would say on this 11-track album. You

1:22:00

know what we could do without? The

1:22:02

most streamed track on this album is, of course,

1:22:05

New Thing because of the meme of a

1:22:08

little boy singing karaoke. And how

1:22:10

are we doing it? God, he's doing a new thing. I

1:22:13

love rap music is, of course, number two. I

1:22:16

really am trying to remember the one that I thought was inappropriate.

1:22:18

The one that felt sexual to you. Yeah.

1:22:21

When you first listened to it. There was one that felt

1:22:23

sexual to you? Well, okay, so... For

1:22:26

me, they all sort of sound sexual to me.

1:22:29

I think I'd have to take a look. Can I take

1:22:31

a... Yeah. I thought this

1:22:33

one. No more? Okay, on the song No More.

1:22:36

I want you to play it and tell me what you hear

1:22:38

for the chorus. Okay. Okay. So

1:22:41

Sterling is going to

1:22:43

say she heard No More. No

1:22:46

more. No more. No more. No

1:22:48

more. No more.

1:22:51

No more. No more. No more.

1:22:54

No more. No more. No more. No

1:22:56

more. No more. No more.

1:22:59

Give it to him. Give it to him. Give

1:23:01

it to him. It sounds like that

1:23:04

to me. No more.

1:23:06

Give him head. When I first listened, I

1:23:08

said, no. But then honestly, it was like, well,

1:23:10

that is their genre. They probably would absolutely hate that.

1:23:13

They probably would absolutely hate that. It would be

1:23:15

sort of anti-head. We probably. Or are they probably

1:23:17

because they have save yourselves? We have

1:23:20

five main causes. No, no,

1:23:22

no. You can't do one of the... You can't do

1:23:24

that one. You can't. We're anti-abortion.

1:23:26

We're anti-risism. We're pro new thing.

1:23:29

And we're definitely anti-giving head. Yeah.

1:23:32

But it sounds like that. I literally had to pull up.

1:23:34

That's when I started playing the lyrics. Oh my God. The

1:23:43

thing about it is that it sounds

1:23:45

like this is in the middle

1:23:47

of it. He's like, no. No more. Give

1:23:49

it to him. No more. Give

1:23:51

it to him. No more. Give

1:23:54

it to him. I'm

1:24:01

glad you guys hear it. Wow. Now

1:24:04

I can. You can. Yeah. You

1:24:06

can't unhear it once you hear it. Oh, now I wish I prefer it. Yeah.

1:24:09

Because I was like, wow. But

1:24:12

then once I pulled the lyrics, I was like, no. That's not

1:24:14

a stretch. It's boring. That is not a

1:24:16

stretch of a mix. Okay, good. I'm

1:24:18

glad that you guys heard that and I found the song. I

1:24:20

can't see you guys. But Caroline, I mean, thankfully,

1:24:23

we've listened to so many different kinds of artists on

1:24:26

the show. I have heard artists that are

1:24:29

that go way the other way and

1:24:31

are very pro that thing. Caroline,

1:24:34

do you remember that song by

1:24:36

Steven Kurz Chapman? Well, it's my

1:24:38

turn now. Oh, boy.

1:24:44

Sounds like someone else had a turn. Right.

1:24:47

Yeah. It was like that's an

1:24:49

impiety game first. Yeah. And

1:24:51

that's beautiful that he served his woman first

1:24:53

in form. You give her a reminder. And

1:24:56

he's like, oh, honey. My

1:24:59

turn now. I hope he does

1:25:01

it with the sound. Yeah.

1:25:03

Isn't that so wholesome sounding too?

1:25:05

Sweet. I'd

1:25:07

be like, yeah, of course. Yeah. Oh,

1:25:10

excuse me. Yeah. Thank you

1:25:12

for reminding me. Oh, that's

1:25:15

beautiful. You know who has a

1:25:17

Pro Giving Head song? Who?

1:25:20

Bruce Springsteen. Oh, yeah. He

1:25:24

has a song called Red Headed Woman

1:25:26

that's all about kind of lingus and

1:25:28

he would talk about

1:25:31

how much he loves kind of lingus when he would sing.

1:25:33

Oh, he loves going down. Yeah.

1:25:36

Yeah. He

1:25:39

said, listen, I've studied your life's been

1:25:41

wasted till you've got down on your

1:25:43

knees and tasted a red headed woman.

1:25:45

That's how that song goes. Push

1:25:48

come to shove, shove come to push. And

1:25:50

I was Moses kneeling for the burning bush

1:25:52

of my red headed wife. Oh my God.

1:25:54

I mean, it's really, it is about that.

1:25:58

And his wife's a redhead. It's

1:26:00

presumably about her. Yeah. From

1:26:03

his marriage album. But

1:26:07

not the current? Not the current wife? No, I think it's

1:26:09

still current. It's the current wife. Oh, okay. Okay. This is

1:26:11

the one he left the wife for. Yeah. Oh,

1:26:13

well. This is his Rita Wilson. The

1:26:16

next one. First wife of Rita was... And

1:26:18

blah blah blah. Anyway, any other songs on

1:26:21

the album without giving? No!

1:26:29

Wow. No Nut November, I

1:26:31

guess. No Nut November

1:26:34

anthem. I'm trying to think why he would take such

1:26:36

a stand on that. Or

1:26:38

maybe it's like he's addicted to giving head.

1:26:41

And he's like, I can't. I can't

1:26:43

do it no more. It's too

1:26:45

much. Is

1:26:48

that... That's your Tate singing it. That one changes

1:26:50

too. Alright,

1:26:53

let's rate this album. The way it works, Sterling, is we're

1:26:55

going to give it a thumbs up or thumbs down. Form

1:26:57

of Holy Toast or Holy Rest. Holy Toast is

1:26:59

a thumbs up. That's when we say to this

1:27:01

album. Holy

1:27:06

Rest is a thumbs down. That's when we say... Or

1:27:12

we send it to Purgatory, which is... Caroline,

1:27:17

we'll start with you. Alright,

1:27:22

we're turning to Sterling. And again, keep in mind this album

1:27:24

sold 200,000 copies, but it came out. Is

1:27:29

that a lot? I think it was

1:27:31

a lot back then. Okay. Yeah. It's

1:27:33

a decent amount. A decent Christian amount. Okay,

1:27:37

to play devil's advocate, whatever a girl

1:27:39

wants. I'll do a

1:27:42

Holy Roast. Mostly

1:27:45

because I did do that

1:27:47

Spotify feature wrong. And now I actually

1:27:49

haven't even... I don't know if I've

1:27:51

listened to a full album in 2024,

1:27:54

like all the way through. And this one now is

1:27:56

Spotify will say, you love this. So

1:27:58

I'm giving it a roast for that customer. I think it's now messed

1:28:01

up kind of my music. But

1:28:03

it is, again,

1:28:05

you love the Inapportion song. I didn't know

1:28:07

that you loved that. Oh, Caroline, she said

1:28:09

she loved every single topic. That, I didn't

1:28:11

love. If you can imagine, there are

1:28:14

some messages I disagree with on this

1:28:16

album. Sterling, authenticity is dangerous and expensive.

1:28:19

We loved every song on this album.

1:28:21

There are some songs I actually had to do

1:28:23

with, and you know who you are. So

1:28:26

unfortunately, I'm roasting this

1:28:29

album today. Oh, these kids. Fair enough.

1:28:31

Sorry. Let him have it. I gotta

1:28:33

give it a toast. Like my partner in crime, Caroline,

1:28:36

I have to. It is so sweet.

1:28:40

It is so cute. I can't

1:28:42

get over it. I can't get over the

1:28:44

unnecessary amount of power and

1:28:47

energy and those hooks. Mm-hmm. And

1:28:50

then those men trying to

1:28:52

practice a little bit of self-control. All

1:28:56

of their might. And also,

1:28:58

we need to talk about this. Maybe

1:29:01

this is for a different episode, Caroline.

1:29:03

They did release not a feature length,

1:29:06

but essentially like a short film

1:29:08

video cassette, a VHS

1:29:10

companion to this album called Rap,

1:29:13

Rock, and Soul, which is probably how they defined

1:29:15

the three of those. They helped. And

1:29:18

you can watch on YouTube. I'm not sure we will at some

1:29:20

point. It's 33 minutes long. You

1:29:23

can just kinda get a taste for who these boys

1:29:25

were in the year 1991 when this came out. I

1:29:31

just turned it to a random place. The rap. The

1:29:33

brother right here, the brother to my left, sitting in

1:29:35

the middle here, is smooth. He's

1:29:37

vanilla, but he's definitely smooth. Well, I got

1:29:39

the vanilla on the outside, but

1:29:42

God has blessed me with that chocolate

1:29:44

down deep in my soul. Yo,

1:29:47

to be blown rapping like a white thing.

1:29:50

It's a thing. It's a terrible thing. What

1:29:53

are my Christian's? Oh, sometimes things are looking

1:29:55

like this. They cut some black

1:29:57

and white so we back to dancing. It's

1:30:00

not a black and white thing cut through literal

1:30:02

black and white footage. Definitely the most vital part

1:30:04

of DC Talk. You fellas agree. Uh oh. Yeah,

1:30:08

I would agree with that. No,

1:30:11

no I won't. No. I don't agree with

1:30:13

that. I think the rock is the most important part

1:30:15

of the group. What do you

1:30:17

think? Cut. So with my boy, master

1:30:20

of ceremonies. Rappers

1:30:24

punchy, rappers to the point. Rappers getting

1:30:26

the gospel across. Stop.

1:30:28

Stop. We need to talk about this.

1:30:30

We need to do like a evidence for real. The

1:30:32

tension. Did you feel that? Yeah. This is like

1:30:34

day one. That

1:30:36

guy has darkness in his eyes. That one man.

1:30:38

A VH1 in the making. Which one? The rock. Kevin

1:30:41

Mac. Who says like it's like a

1:30:43

rock group or something. Oh yeah. I don't know. His

1:30:45

haircut was scary. At first I was like these boys

1:30:47

are actually really like actually seem really cool and I

1:30:49

was almost going to change my vote based on their.

1:30:51

I was literally almost going to change my vote because

1:30:54

I was like wait these guys seem kind of cool.

1:30:56

You liked when you said I have chocolate down here.

1:30:58

You know like a joie de vivre. But then that

1:31:00

guy seems like he was a killer like behind his

1:31:02

eyes and he seems like he was actually having no

1:31:04

fun. Okay so you kind of hate who is now

1:31:06

the most progressive member of this group. Really? And who

1:31:08

has actually grown to be a... What

1:31:12

if we're on an SNL together and he hears this?

1:31:15

Thank you Lauren. Thank you Michael Pence.

1:31:22

I had no clue. I really had no clue. You

1:31:24

call it darkness. I'm just educated. Oh

1:31:27

my god. He had a rough

1:31:29

time. Sorry for not bringing that up before.

1:31:31

Oh goodness. Well more more treasures await us

1:31:33

later on down the road. There's so much

1:31:35

DC talk. Okay. There's just so much it

1:31:38

never ends. It never ends with those boys.

1:31:40

All right but let's bring it down now. We're dimming

1:31:43

the lights in here. We're lighting the candles on

1:31:45

other shows. Sterling you might plug yourself or promote

1:31:48

your projects but we're not here to do that.

1:31:50

We're here to lift those things up

1:31:52

to the Lord as a humble. Loving

1:31:54

sacrifice and we'll start as per usual with

1:31:56

Caroline and keep in mind you

1:31:58

can lift up your projects. You

1:32:01

can promote your projects via lifting them up.

1:32:04

It's gonna keep talking. But you can also lift

1:32:06

up something that you've enjoyed

1:32:08

in the secular culture. The last great thing that you

1:32:10

watched, Saul, Red, listen to,

1:32:13

etc. Caroline will start with you. You

1:32:15

can lift me up at Caroline's farts

1:32:17

and I'm gonna shout out a

1:32:20

great show. I've been really enjoying Mr. and

1:32:23

Mrs. Smith. It's a great

1:32:25

time. Very, very cool, expensive

1:32:28

looking show. They go

1:32:30

to such great locations and shout out to

1:32:33

Julia Beezes. Who wrote on that

1:32:35

show, guest

1:32:44

on the pod and neighbor. Just

1:32:48

some... who knew? I didn't

1:32:50

know she wrote on that. I didn't know

1:32:52

she wrote on that. Yeah, it's

1:32:54

a good time. I really enjoy

1:32:56

it. Mr. and Mrs.

1:32:59

Smith, starring Maya Erskine,

1:33:01

who one time I saw

1:33:03

her and her husband and daughter in the

1:33:05

wild and her daughter was cute as fuck.

1:33:08

I might have been son. Anyway, their baby

1:33:10

was cute as hell. I want to see that

1:33:12

baby. I bet she doesn't post the

1:33:14

baby. No, I don't think so. And

1:33:16

we turn to Sterling. I'm

1:33:20

lifting up. What part of this

1:33:22

is unclean? You're lifting up,

1:33:25

promoting, you're lifting up in my words. I

1:33:27

thought they were a little afraid for the

1:33:29

first one. Oh, lift up. Oh, they're both

1:33:31

lifting. You lift them all up, baby. I

1:33:33

thought they said two different things. Okay,

1:33:35

I'm lifting up for

1:33:38

myself, my podcast Bad

1:33:40

Behavior. It comes out weekly

1:33:42

on Wednesdays. We just started a new season.

1:33:44

And I've only been on it once, isn't that

1:33:46

interesting? Well, no one's been on it twice, Kevin. Is

1:33:48

that true? It's true. It's

1:33:51

very funny and come check us out. But

1:33:54

the thing I want to lift up in culture right

1:33:56

now is something I know everyone else is lifting up.

1:33:59

Bye. It is The Traders and Pee-Pee.

1:34:02

Season two. I heard.

1:34:04

I love the Traders. I heard. It

1:34:07

is so funny, it is so camp, it's

1:34:09

in Scotland in the castle. Oh boy. It's

1:34:11

basically the game Mafia, but with reality TV

1:34:13

show stars. Life job. And Alan

1:34:16

Cumming is a genius host and is

1:34:18

amazing. Check it out. Wow.

1:34:22

Traders, I've only experienced that through memes.

1:34:25

I heard you were like, yeah. Well, check it out. You

1:34:28

can lift me up at Kevin T.

1:34:30

Porter everywhere. I'll lift

1:34:32

up. Oh, I think

1:34:35

I already lifted that up. Nevermind, I'll lift up something

1:34:37

else. I'll lift up. Wait, have

1:34:39

I lifted up My Stroke, Caroline? Now?

1:34:45

He needs it. Go ahead. He needs

1:34:47

it. Send all your support, all your good

1:34:49

vibes. I'm lifting up My Stroke. No, you know

1:34:51

what? I'll lift up WhatsApp. Cause I just watched

1:34:53

that again for the first time in years. I

1:34:56

think it's one of the best movies ever made to

1:34:58

have Tim Masterpiece, LOL, and

1:35:01

LMAO too. Wow. And

1:35:04

at one point it ruffled. For

1:35:07

real. For

1:35:09

real. Which was really sticky. It's

1:35:14

a 1972 screwball classic starring

1:35:16

Barbara Streisand directed by Peter

1:35:19

Bogdanovich. Probably just run it somewhere.

1:35:21

It was on Criterion channel for a little bit, but go

1:35:23

run it somewhere. It's one of the funniest movies, one of

1:35:25

the greatest movies ever made. And you

1:35:27

can lift this up at Christian Fun

1:35:29

Pod everywhere. patreon.com/Good Christian Fun. For more

1:35:31

Good Christian Fun every week. And you

1:35:33

can leave us a review on Apple

1:35:35

Podcasts if you like to. We appreciate

1:35:38

it so much. Sterling,

1:35:40

thank you so much for joining us on the show. Thank

1:35:42

you so much for having me. Once again. Yay. For

1:35:45

making the print to your popper on

1:35:48

the first episode. Actually, no, I mean your

1:35:50

episode, the first one was great. No, it

1:35:52

wasn't good. I know. By comparison?

1:35:54

New thing? Yeah. You're

1:35:56

doing a new thing on the show. And

1:36:00

there's nothing like to say except for, okay? I

1:36:02

love you, Emma. Amen. Now

1:36:05

watch this drive. And

1:36:07

I think it's only right that

1:36:09

we go out on. Made

1:36:11

a move to central school.

1:36:14

Something that we should all remember in

1:36:17

the weeks to come. Something

1:36:22

Michael Douglas said to himself after he

1:36:25

got throat cancer allegedly. Oh my God.

1:36:28

We'll be all about it. Bye!

1:36:32

We'll see you next week. Goodbye. Bye!