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1:01

the plan. Are they

1:03

the lucky ones? That's what you're thinking,

1:05

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Greatest Trek. It's a new Star

1:10

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1:12

Greatest Generation. Hot Cylon Summer. I'm

1:14

Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranica. I got

1:16

the button down to here for Hot

1:19

Cylon Summer. You look

1:21

very relaxed, Mon Frere. I'm

1:23

wearing pants and I wish I wasn't. It's

1:25

like the first hot day in LA

1:27

in quite a while. You're home alone.

1:29

You could take those pants off. I

1:31

know. That's well below the camera angle

1:34

on our video chat. The viewers at

1:36

home aren't gonna see anything. That's

1:38

below the safe space margin

1:41

that we have on our video stream. Unless

1:43

they do like that Agent Decker

1:45

zoom in and enhance on the reflection

1:47

of one of the photographs hanging on

1:50

the wall behind you. That's how I'm

1:52

gonna get got. You're gonna do a

1:55

zoom in on like the

1:57

sprocket picture frame and

1:59

there's gonna be me. hanging ass. I

2:03

mean only in Blade Runner do they have

2:05

the technology to zoom in on a photograph

2:07

and it like turns around the corner and

2:10

sees something that isn't actually in the picture.

2:13

That's a technology that I don't

2:15

appreciate the threat of. Yeah. Yeah.

2:17

And that any kind of intelligence

2:19

artificial or otherwise would would seek

2:21

to enhance that ass. Is

2:26

that like a large language model thing where

2:29

what he's zooming in on is just like

2:31

guessing at what would be over there. Like

2:33

in a photograph this is the pixel that

2:35

would be next to this pixel. I

2:38

just don't want to

2:41

see asses that badly.

2:44

Yeah there's enough ass

2:46

going around in real life, good

2:48

and bad. Yeah. We don't need computers

2:50

to be generating sim ass. You

2:55

know there is sim ass don't you?

2:58

We were just talking about sim ant off

3:00

mic and that being a thing that you

3:03

could actually play right now if you wanted

3:05

to. Yeah. Sim ass though

3:08

some sick fuck out there

3:10

has made the pixel

3:13

version the 8-bit pixel

3:15

version of that game. Published by

3:17

Maxis with 3X's. I can

3:22

see the box art now. What

3:25

happened to big boxes? I missed the big

3:27

boxes for things. Oh man

3:29

I, God what was it

3:31

called? There was like a software store. I think

3:34

it was called like Eggheads or something like that. Egghead

3:36

Software, I remember that. And you would

3:38

go to the software store and you would look at

3:40

the big boxes of software

3:43

and you'd be like this game looks great.

3:45

Look at this amazing painting of a guy

3:47

shooting an alien on the front. Speaking of

3:49

things with with funny entendre

3:52

names, I got my first

3:54

really good joystick from Egghead software it

3:56

was the Thrustmaster and it

3:58

actually had like force

4:00

feedback because you know I was playing flight

4:03

simulator games. That force feedback

4:05

was a great new technology back in the day.

4:08

Oh man, I got a

4:10

joystick not with force

4:13

feedback for MechWarrior. I

4:16

could not get MechWarrior to run on my computer

4:18

and I could not get the joystick to reliably

4:21

work with my computer and it was just giant

4:24

waste of like six weeks worth

4:26

of allowance money. That's

4:28

so brutal and the return policy

4:30

is unkind back

4:33

in those days. Yeah, yeah. If

4:35

Figheaded had like a little bit

4:37

more of a customer favorable return

4:40

policy maybe they'd still be in

4:42

business. Yeah, yeah. Maybe we'd still

4:44

have BoxO software. How

4:46

badly do you wish the

4:48

inhabitants of Caprica and

4:51

the rest of those worlds feel

4:53

like they could exploit a return

4:55

policy for the Cylons? Man,

4:59

I don't think anyone's taken those back.

5:01

Yeah, yeah. The

5:05

Amazon of Cobol does not have

5:07

a generous return policy either. Hey,

5:09

guess what? The force feedback on

5:12

these Centurions? A little

5:14

strong. A bit spicy for my taste.

5:19

I was just trying to land a plane

5:21

at Midway Airport and the joystick threw me

5:23

across the room. The

5:27

joystick transformed into a knife and stabbed

5:29

me in the chest. Let's

5:32

get into it, Ben. We've got a... We

5:34

gotta do it. Speaking of spicy, got a

5:36

spicy episode today with this,

5:38

the second episode of the first

5:40

season of Battlestar Galactica. It's

5:43

called... Wooter. We've

5:46

been a flatter for several years before replenishing.

5:50

I see. What a

5:52

great title for a hot silent

5:55

summer, right? Mm-hmm, yeah. Just reminds

5:57

me of Chillin' Poolside in my

5:59

Barbie... I

8:01

got a little distracted at this part when Boomer kind

8:03

of walks off in a huff does Callie say okay

8:06

Boomer Yeah,

8:08

yeah, I wish you did Boomer

8:12

heads right to a place. We

8:15

always love visiting on any starship

8:18

the small arms locker. Yeah Big

8:22

I love the like vault door ness

8:24

of the small arms locker on this

8:26

ship But it looks like it's it

8:28

can pressurize itself and be like ejected

8:30

into space or something. Yeah Yeah,

8:33

I wonder why I mean there's the keypad Security

8:36

that you would expect but that wheel

8:38

you got to turn is very submarine

8:40

like yeah and and conspicuous right like

8:42

if you were walking down the hall

8:44

and you saw somebody turning the Giant

8:47

like two and a half foot in diameter

8:49

wheel to open up the small arms locker.

8:51

You'd be like oh, hey boomer What's

8:54

up? So

8:57

she goes right to the case where the g4s

8:59

are kept and oh no It's

9:01

not like it's just missing one. There

9:03

are six others that are missing and

9:05

as Badly

9:08

as she was freaking out in the

9:10

storeroom. It's even worse right now. This

9:12

is a Truly awful

9:14

realization for boomer one

9:17

thing about this show that really sucks

9:19

for note writing is how many little

9:21

Vignettes it will just cut away to

9:23

and this next scene is one of

9:25

those it's just tie in His

9:28

quarters like finding a

9:31

somewhat drunk bottle of whiskey

9:33

at like Measuring

9:35

by the finger how much whiskey he

9:37

has left It

9:39

doesn't seem like he's drinking this whiskey. It

9:41

seems like he's just like assessing his Current

9:45

stock and I guess presumably

9:47

they don't have Distillation capacity

9:49

anywhere in the fleet. So it's probably the

9:52

last whiskey known to man It's weird to

9:54

think about the scarcity of those things right

9:57

and yeah, it makes sense that an

10:00

addict wouldn't dispose of

10:02

the vice under those

10:04

circumstances, right? I mean, who

10:07

knows how much that's worth at a card

10:09

game, sitting across from Starbuck or whatever. Oh

10:12

man. That'll buy you in for a couple of

10:14

rounds. Absolutely. So we

10:16

cut over to Apollo and I'd like

10:19

you to compare what

10:22

his imagination does for him in

10:24

times of great anxiety versus what

10:27

guy is Baltar's mind. Looks

10:30

like, I bet Apollo wishes

10:32

his was a little more lakeside

10:34

vacation home and a little less

10:37

destruction of the Olympic carrier over

10:39

and over again. Yeah, Baltar's a

10:41

lot closer to the boomer end

10:43

of the spectrum, W slash R

10:45

slash T waking up wet. Yeah,

10:48

yeah. Apollo is fully in PTSD

10:50

mode and feeling a ton of

10:52

guilt over

10:55

the killing of the Olympic.

10:57

And I've been sort

10:59

of wondering like where he and his

11:01

father are at these days, because there

11:03

was a lot of fence mending in

11:06

the pilot. You know, I would

11:08

say like the sea storyline of the

11:11

pilot, you might've described as Apollo and

11:14

his father like building some rapport

11:16

back with each other. Sea

11:18

for cats in the cradle. Right.

11:22

But it's built back so much that

11:24

he can actually approach his father about

11:26

this and talk to him about it

11:29

and get some like fatherly

11:31

advice from someone who's been there. People

11:33

die all the time, just like that.

11:35

This is one of those moments where

11:37

like, if you don't know what kind

11:39

of show you're watching, you

11:41

might assume that this would be a moment

11:44

where Commander Adama does

11:47

some fathering of his son, you

11:50

know, on an emotional level. Right.

11:53

This is not that scene at all. He's not that kind of father, because

11:56

this is a message about like taking responsibility for

11:58

the things that you've done. absent

12:01

whether they're good or bad, but just as

12:03

a part of a person's life. And

12:05

it's not that you're going to

12:07

forget those things or

12:09

seek to absolve yourself from those moments.

12:11

It's like an adult

12:14

person just moves forward because that's all they

12:16

can do. You gotta own that shit. Yeah.

12:19

I thought this was an interesting scene. It

12:21

helped to clarify some of the things that

12:25

I thought were a little bit confusing

12:27

and not perfectly executed about the previous

12:30

episode. Like we were talking

12:32

about how we were pretty sure what the right

12:34

call was in a way that the

12:36

characters never seemed to be. And I think that

12:38

the show is really doubling

12:40

down on the characters couldn't really be

12:42

sure at the time that they made

12:44

that decision. I mean, as

12:46

I recall, this is my second trip

12:48

through this series. That's kind

12:51

of what this series

12:53

trades on is the ambiguity of

12:55

those difficult decisions. So

12:58

you're going to love this Ben. Yeah.

13:04

God, it's just so fucking weird

13:06

being outside of the like pretty

13:09

cut and dry morality of a Star Trek episode.

13:11

Or it was like, well, that was fucked up.

13:14

Here's the moral of the story. I

13:18

love getting a scene that reminds us

13:20

how big the Audrey two is. No,

13:24

no more. When we see colonial

13:26

one, just get all

13:28

up inside that cargo bay with room

13:30

to spare. You could fit 20 colonial

13:33

ones in there. Yeah, it's a great

13:36

big ship. Incredible that you could just

13:38

land the ship inside and

13:40

inside colonial one assistant cousin Greg

13:43

and president Roslyn are discussing

13:46

the protocol in place for the

13:48

ceremony they're about to do over

13:50

there. And Roslyn makes it

13:52

pretty clear that she's only doing this because

13:55

it's going to make

13:57

commander Adama happy. He loves

13:59

all that light. Caprica,

30:01

the other Boomer who saved

30:03

Hilo at the end of

30:05

the last episode and

30:08

Hilo are surveilling the

30:11

landed Raptor that I

30:13

guess so like from Hilo's perspective this was

30:16

the ship that Boomer was like airlifting

30:20

Dr. Balthard and all those other people off

30:22

the planet with and she then like turned

30:24

around and flew back to get him. Right

30:27

because the conversations very

30:29

much have to do with coming back. Right.

30:33

This is what sucks about going to the

30:35

neighborhood with all the good restaurants. You leave

30:37

your car overnight and it's just up on

30:39

blocks because the Cylons have torn

30:42

it apart. This

30:45

is a bummer for them that was

30:47

their ride home and they're just gonna have

30:49

to think of another way off world and it

30:52

sucks like to get extremely

30:54

bad news but also during

30:57

a torrential downpour. I

31:00

don't think it ever stops raining on Caprica

31:02

this entire episode and I'm looking at the

31:04

uniforms that they're wearing. It

31:07

just seems so humid inside

31:09

those uniforms that that doesn't look like a

31:11

breathable fabric at all. Yeah, Grace Park did

31:13

not get a lot of dry days on

31:16

set this episode did she? No, not at

31:18

all. That's great. No,

31:22

don't dry off. We're gonna put you in the production

31:24

vehicle and take you to the

31:26

location now. Just

31:28

sit there. They just gotta set it.

31:31

So that McLaughlin group is still going on

31:34

and Tyrol is next at

31:37

the podium. Yeah, he's found the

31:39

Pelican case with a bunch of

31:41

empty slots for wooden shoes. Yeah.

31:43

A lot of Cebo missing from

31:45

the small arms locker. Hence the

31:48

word Cebo Cosh. What

31:50

a stammery, sweaty, nervous mess he is and

31:53

I like the thing about Chief Tyrol is

31:55

that the more nervous he gets the more

31:57

he sounds like Christopher walking when he talks.

32:00

Like he doesn't know what words

32:02

to emphasize. Good for you, good

32:05

for you. And he's inserting punctuation

32:07

where it wouldn't naturally occur. Due

32:10

to poor record

32:12

keeping. The

32:14

security cameras, we

32:17

don't have them. They're gone.

32:21

Anyway, yeah, we may

32:23

never know who took those wooden

32:25

shoes. How about Adama here

32:27

though to hear that the security apparatus

32:30

of his ship is

32:32

such that they don't know

32:34

and will never know how this

32:36

happened. A shittier captain would

32:39

be like, what the fuck?

32:42

What is this bullshit? Like he

32:45

is so buttoned up and

32:47

neutral. He's just in in triage mode. He's

32:49

like, all right, we don't know it. Clear

32:51

the room. And when they

32:53

do clear the room, it's just like the

32:56

the core folks. It's tag Apollo,

32:58

Baltar and Roslyn. And as soon as everyone's

33:00

on the other side of the door, he's

33:02

like, we got silence,

33:05

don't we? Silence are in our midst.

33:07

Yeah. And Roslyn has a

33:09

great question about this. She's like, yeah, I mean, we

33:12

know in the room, but

33:14

have you heard how people

33:16

are gossiping about this already? Like it may

33:18

be kind of an open secret, but

33:20

in a rumor type of way, what do you think

33:22

is going to happen when this

33:25

is confirmed? Yeah, Tye not

33:27

super helpful. Tye goes, riots.

33:32

Riots. They're

33:36

like, are you are you calling for riots?

33:38

It kind of seems like every time something

33:40

happens, it's almost like you want riots. It's

33:44

great. I mean, as as bad as

33:46

Tyrell was at the podium, Gaius is

33:49

even more of a stammering mess when he's

33:51

asked about the the screening process. Yeah, this

33:54

is like when you asked me if

33:56

I like got the stuff that were my

33:58

action items for last week. And I'm

34:00

like, hmm, what? Huh? Oh shit. What

34:03

are you talking about? And I'm like, riots.

34:09

Personal riots. This

34:11

is when it's great to have a mind fortress,

34:13

right, Ben? This is when you withdraw into your

34:16

mind rental home on the

34:18

lakefront. Yeah, with your naked babes

34:20

and your hot tubs. Yeah, that's what

34:23

you want. Far too distracted by six.

34:27

Is it six that we call her?

34:29

Number six. To

34:31

be a Voigt-Kompf-ing anybody. And

34:34

he's like, oh yeah, like I could make

34:36

a nylon detector and like screen the crew,

34:38

but like, big job. Lot

34:41

of raw materials needed for that kind of

34:43

thing. I only

34:45

say it because I know you would if I didn't try

34:47

to get out in front of that one. This

34:50

is the classic move that a

34:52

person tends to do in the department meeting

34:54

when they're asked for an update on

34:57

the task that they were given a week

34:59

or weeks ago, which is like, oh

35:02

yeah, I'm on that, but like, I'm just me. And

35:05

look at how far I was able to get, just

35:08

me. And as a

35:10

reminder, like I don't really have the

35:12

team required to get this

35:14

over the finish line because as

35:16

I said before, you're just working with

35:18

me here. I

35:22

like Commander Adama going like, no, no, no. Yeah.

35:26

Say no more. It's clear to all

35:28

of us that you're very smart, but you

35:30

keep nutting in your pants during these meetings

35:32

and it's creeping everyone out and we kind

35:35

of need you to stop. That ain't piss,

35:37

that's got nothing to do with piss. Here's

35:39

Gaeta assigned to help you. And

35:41

that is a fact that both

35:44

Gaius Beltar and Number Six don't

35:47

exactly welcome because when you have a staff, you

35:49

got people hanging around, watching

35:52

what you're doing, maybe reporting back to

35:54

the commander about what they're seeing, that's

35:57

a bad situation. Might see

35:59

what tabs you have over. Not gonna be

36:01

good. And also he's been lying about

36:03

having a Cylon detector this whole

36:05

time. It's just what number six tells

36:07

him. So yeah. The plan

36:09

to go and get water from other planetary

36:12

systems, that's in motion. And

36:15

Boomer is being given

36:17

a mission briefing from Apollo to go get

36:19

it. Tyrol rolls up

36:21

on Boomer and tries

36:24

to keep her from freaking out. She has a lot to

36:26

freak out about in her current

36:28

situation. And he's like, look, babe, I'll

36:31

cover for you. It's important to

36:33

her that he's not just covering for

36:35

her though. That's such an interesting part

36:38

of the scene. Like she

36:40

needs him to believe that she's innocent.

36:43

In addition to that. Did you feel

36:45

like he a hundred percent believed her

36:48

in this scene? I think

36:50

what I enjoyed about these

36:52

moments is that I wasn't sure.

36:55

Yeah. I'm glad we don't

36:58

stick around with Tyrol after those

37:00

interactions end for him to

37:02

walk past the camera. Like yikes.

37:06

You know, like he's so close to

37:08

the vest on this. Yeah.

37:11

I mean, like I felt like the uncertainty in

37:13

my mind, like the fact, you know, like he

37:15

could have sold it that he like definitely believes

37:17

her side of the thing. And

37:20

I feel like the fact that he didn't quite sell

37:22

that makes me think that he's a little bit unsure

37:24

of her right now. Back

37:27

into Delma's quarters, just make

37:29

yourself at home, President Rosalynn. They

37:31

have kind of a book measuring contest. This is

37:33

a scene straight out of Frasier, I

37:35

thought. Just like Niles

37:38

and Frasier comparing Sherry references

37:41

and brands. Yeah. Like this is

37:43

nice. They're the bookish elites that

37:46

run their society. She

37:48

only brought one, you know, trashy

37:50

novel from the Hudson News on

37:52

Caprica for her plane flight. So

37:55

she's happy to borrow like an actual classic

37:58

of literature from him. I

38:01

really like this scene for them though,

38:04

like as a relationship. Yeah. Baltar

38:07

is trying to lose Gaeda

38:10

and joins a poker

38:12

game involving Starbuck and a few other

38:14

fighter jocks in order to do it.

38:17

I was surprised that the fighter jocks

38:20

accepted jacket as buy-in. I

38:22

think it all has to go back to the

38:24

scarcity of items in this

38:27

economy. Yeah. He

38:29

mentions it later. There's only one of these.

38:32

Hey, guess what? Every alpaca

38:35

in the universe is dead. This

38:41

is a great jacket made from a

38:43

Capricon tailor. But like

38:45

the cigarettes seem like they would be more

38:47

persuasive to fighter jocks and he also has

38:49

those and those don't appear to be something

38:52

that he is throwing into the pot. But

38:55

I mean the cigarette is so useful in the

38:57

climax to this scene. It is. It is. It

39:00

unspools quite nicely. Roslyn

39:03

has a conversation with Adama

39:05

about, hey, there's been

39:07

like a lot of what Colonel Ty

39:09

has predicted coming true on some of

39:11

the other ships. What about

39:13

sending some troops over to the cruise

39:16

ships and whatnot to keep the

39:19

peace? And Adama has

39:21

a little line about how the military

39:23

and the police can't be the same

39:25

thing, but it sort of seems like

39:27

he doesn't really have a choice in

39:29

this moment. They are the only people

39:31

that can do anything like this. They

39:34

get into this whole thing about like, do the

39:37

police actually serve and protect the

39:39

people or are they more like there to

39:41

preserve order and power structures? Neither

39:45

of them can get super

39:47

on board with that because they are the power

39:49

structure. But they are like, I

39:51

can see how it would seem like that for poor people or

39:53

whatever. I think part

39:55

of the strength of this show is how

39:58

they give

40:00

Adama something to say

40:02

about something complex in

40:06

this way with such

40:08

efficiency and elegance

40:12

that like his

40:14

wisdom is so unique among characters

40:18

on this show because he's not seen

40:20

as a necessarily smart man. He's

40:23

not like a Shakespeare

40:25

reading starship captain, like he's

40:27

a military commander, yet

40:30

his facility with concepts

40:33

like this is

40:38

what makes his character great and

40:40

interesting and not preachy or whatever. Like

40:42

he's just really to the point and

40:45

not in a fuck you kind of way, not in a

40:47

like, I know what that leads to, it's a slippery slope,

40:49

you know what a slippery slope is? Like

40:52

it's just two thinking people having to

40:54

think about something complex. I really liked

40:56

the moment. Well, it's definitely

40:59

a clip I've seen people snip

41:01

out and like share online during

41:03

conversations about like what use

41:05

of force in domestic contexts

41:08

means. And, you

41:10

know, I think it's very well written.

41:12

Yeah, absolutely. I was a little disappointed

41:15

that at the end of the scene, it was just like, well, I guess

41:17

you gotta do what you gotta do. I

41:20

mean, Ronald D. Moore wrote this episode

41:23

and it is an example of one

41:26

of many examples in this series

41:28

that I think he can claim

41:30

responsibility for like a simple distillation

41:32

of a complex issue into something

41:35

that we can understand and appreciate.

41:39

I'll send troops to the

41:41

cruise ship. At one of

41:43

these nearby star systems, Boomer

41:45

has found a planet that

41:47

has some atmosphere over it

41:49

and they are gonna scan this thing

41:51

for water. She does

41:54

not discover, however, the

41:56

bomb that is mounted under her seat. What

41:59

a moment. Yeah, I

42:01

love that camera zooming in on the wooden shoe.

42:04

Yeah. I wanna

42:06

know how her

42:08

co-pilot got the name crash down

42:11

because I don't think I would want my

42:14

co-pilot with that kind of call sign. Better

42:17

the co-pilot than the pilot, right? Yeah, I

42:19

guess so. Yeah. Like

42:22

he's not like holding the stick. He's like

42:24

in the back doing something else. He's

42:27

like the Rico. He's like the goose

42:29

to the whole thing. Right. Come on

42:31

man, do some of that pilot shit. Back at

42:33

the poker game, Gaius is the kind of talkative

42:36

poker player that people tend to hate in

42:38

a real game because he won't stop fucking

42:40

yammering. And also because

42:43

he slow plays a winning hand. This

42:45

is something you just can't do.

42:48

When you allow the other person to

42:50

believe they've won before you roll over

42:52

the winner, that's really bad form. And

42:55

Starbuck takes great umbrage with this. I

42:57

couldn't believe a room full of people like applauded him

42:59

when he did this. Cause I like, I don't fucking

43:02

gamble and I could tell that this was bad form.

43:06

I love Starbuck here

43:08

because she takes a

43:10

bad beat. Fine. She

43:13

takes a bad play by Gaius Baltar,

43:15

like a way to play it. Fine.

43:19

But this whole accepting one

43:21

of the last cigarettes thing and then blowing

43:23

that smoke in his face was

43:26

such a great moment for her character. Yeah.

43:29

Fuck you Gaius Baltar. Yeah,

43:31

made an enemy today. Yeah. So

43:34

we find out that all of the other ships

43:36

that they sent out to other star systems to

43:38

look for water came up empty, which kind

43:42

of strains credulity for me just

43:44

like having like learned

43:46

about how much water there is in our own

43:48

solar system, which is shit tons.

43:50

Like there's way more water in our

43:52

solar system than the water on earth.

43:55

Did you just hear what Tyg said

43:57

in the McLaughlin group about it's mostly

43:59

gas balls. and rock balls and

44:02

half drank liquor bottles. The galaxy's a pretty

44:04

barren and desolate place when you get a

44:06

right doughnut. I know, but like, I don't

44:10

know if I buy it anyways. Everybody else

44:12

has come up empty and it

44:15

seems like Boomer is

44:17

their last hope and Crashdown is

44:19

like scanning with his scanners and

44:22

they seem to have two separate

44:24

sets of scanners and no eyes

44:26

on each other's results. So

44:28

when Crashdown keeps coming up with a

44:30

negative result on his scan for water,

44:33

he is just filled with

44:35

disappointment despite the fact that it is very

44:37

clear that Boomer has found water. I

44:40

really love Grace Park in

44:42

this scene because she's not

44:44

doing that thing you might

44:46

expect an actor to do

44:48

where she's fighting the thing

44:50

inside her to say

44:54

the truth but can't. Her

44:57

expression here is so not that.

45:00

It's almost like I

45:03

heard someone describe great acting as like

45:05

it's not that you're trying to do

45:07

something as that you're trying not to

45:09

do something. That is like the

45:12

quality of great acting and believable acting

45:14

is that and that's almost how I

45:16

would describe Grace Park here. Yeah,

45:18

let's just say she could get extra

45:20

Pico in her bowl at Chipotle without

45:23

whipping out her camera and starting filming.

45:26

She's great and when her

45:28

hand goes for the detonator in

45:30

this moment, oh man,

45:33

Crashdown is not gonna see

45:35

this coming. He's just a guy

45:37

in the back trying to find water and

45:39

then the lights are gonna go out on him and that's gonna

45:41

be it. There's

45:44

so much she wants to say and

45:46

can't. And it's so interesting

45:48

how they're not looking at each other like the

45:50

way the scene is blocked with Boomer in the

45:53

foreground and him in the back. Like

45:55

he can't tell that she's struggling.

45:57

Yeah, he's oblivious to the whole

46:00

situation. And I feel like the

46:02

helmets also enhance that, like the

46:04

closeness of objects to

46:06

her face makes her feel really

46:08

trapped in a nice way for the

46:11

scene. But finally she's able

46:13

to overcome whatever is playing on

46:15

her. And

46:18

they get the good news out. We

46:21

cut back to Caprica, where

46:23

the other boomer is using up

46:25

radiation meds that Hilo

46:28

desperately needs, and she doesn't need at all.

46:31

I love the subtlety of that move. Like

46:34

the way she's gonna drain him of

46:37

both information and things he needs

46:39

to survive. Yeah. Crazy.

46:42

Yeah. So they get a little blurble on

46:44

their radio and

46:49

it's some human signal, it's not

46:51

a silent signal. So they're excited

46:54

to learn that maybe there are some other

46:56

humans still alive on

46:58

Caprica. Chief Tyrol

47:01

finds the

47:03

bomb in Boomer's Raptor and

47:06

is pretty horrified

47:09

by that. Do you think

47:11

he remains a believer in his lady friend still?

47:15

I mean, she told him to go look for it. Yeah.

47:18

Yeah. I mean, they're still very much on the

47:20

same team. Not a

47:22

lot of people would bomb themselves. That's

47:26

true. Yeah. That's

47:28

really twisted. Yeah. That's so fucked

47:30

up. But that's why I fell

47:32

for her, man. Like

47:35

she'll do things you never expect or think that

47:37

you're into. When we go

47:39

back to the storage locker, all bets are

47:41

off. You never know what's coming. I

47:47

mean, except me, I'm always coming.

47:51

You could pretty much lock that in. Paula

47:56

has a meeting with the president

47:58

aboard her ship. which seems

48:00

to have departed Audrey 2, and

48:03

they're talking about their

48:05

mutual regerts

48:07

surrounding the ship that

48:09

they destroyed at the end of the last episode. And,

48:13

you know, it was kind of an order

48:15

that came from her, but an act that came from

48:17

him. And so they are both kind

48:20

of struggling with the moral

48:23

quandary that they have put themselves

48:25

in and can really

48:27

connect on that level. But it

48:29

also sort of turns into a bit

48:31

of a job interview, like a, hey,

48:34

like, I don't, I don't understand shit about

48:36

the military. I used to be a

48:38

school teacher. I could use somebody

48:40

to, like, be like my cultural

48:43

attaché to a thing that I don't

48:45

know shit about. The

48:47

story she tells is

48:49

a good one, and it's

48:51

inspiring, but it doesn't

48:53

quite work physically, because she's

48:56

like, yeah, the president before me made

48:58

a call that he

49:00

privately felt was a mistake and it got some folks

49:03

killed. And so what he did was he kept

49:05

a piece of paper with the names of all the

49:08

folks that died as a result of this

49:10

decision. And it's a thing that he returned

49:13

to as kind of a way to center

49:15

himself as a leader. And

49:17

so when she pulls out the CVS

49:20

receipt of 1500 names that

49:23

died on the Olympic carrier,

49:26

like, it's not supposed

49:28

to be funny, but she just keeps

49:30

pulling. How do you

49:32

fit that kind of receipt into your

49:34

jacket pocket? Like sleeve of wizard. It's

49:37

like clown pulling tied together handkerchiefs out

49:39

of his sleeve. You

49:41

can see Apollo at first is, like, touched

49:43

and, like, moved by the moment, but, like,

49:45

the longer she pulls the receipt out, the

49:47

less he takes away from the

49:49

story. I mean, it says, like, oh, look

49:51

at that. If you go to this

49:53

URL and take the survey, they'll give you 50%

49:56

off on your next visit. You

49:59

should hang on to that. President. Military

50:01

advisor seems like a

50:04

terrible job title and Apollo

50:07

calls it out. He's like, look, that

50:09

puts me squarely in the middle

50:11

of my dad and you. And Rosalyn's like,

50:14

no, no, no, no, no. What I need is

50:16

your advice. Advise

50:18

me on things like what

50:20

we just went through before where I gave a

50:22

speech that I didn't have to give. Like, let's

50:25

cut through the bullshit together and you can help.

50:28

That's pretty persuasive, Tam. They

50:30

both stand in a pile of her CVS

50:32

receipt that's like filled the

50:34

room up to their

50:36

waist. It's like a ball pit. Yeah.

50:41

The big lingering question at the end

50:43

of this episode is whether

50:46

Tyrol is still horny for

50:48

boomer after everything he's learned

50:51

today. And the

50:53

button on the episode is all about answering this.

50:56

He tells her like, yeah, I gave that

50:58

last bomb to the sergeant at Orange. She's like, no,

51:00

what the fuck are you doing? And he's like, why didn't

51:03

tell her where I found it? Yeah. Wanna

51:06

fuck? I

51:08

mean, we are in the store room and

51:10

I did just give you good news, unless

51:13

good news isn't the thing you want right now in this

51:15

kind of role play. Like, do you want me to tell you

51:17

bad news? Oh, you're in big trouble.

51:20

Oh, you're in so much trouble. I

51:22

got something just about as hard as a wooden

51:25

shoe right here. When

51:27

boomer walks away, she walks

51:30

toward camera and passed it down the corridor.

51:32

And starts running like T 1000. She

51:37

seems detached and

51:39

silonic in

51:41

expression, but I still

51:43

don't think we're meant to know

51:45

whether she knows what she is, right? Or

51:48

do you think that that question is answered here? Because

51:51

in a single moment, she can be in that

51:54

store room with Tyrol and then in

51:56

the next second, be like that. To

51:59

me, it seems like. She is in like

52:01

a split personality situation where like one hand

52:03

doesn't know what the other is doing. Oh,

52:06

yeah, I like that most of all. We're

52:08

in the storeroom. Oh, I got

52:10

an out of control hand. I don't know

52:13

what this hand's gonna- Oh, where's it going?

52:15

No one knows. Tyrol,

52:20

you fucked up. I

52:25

know she's the one bombing the water supply, but

52:27

you're a fucking nasty bitch. Did

52:31

you like this episode, Adam? So

52:33

say we all! So

52:35

say we all! I

52:39

really did. I mean, there are two

52:42

episodes and a movie in. It's

52:45

been bangers all the way down for me. I

52:47

mean, the question, the

52:50

biggest question for me is, at what point

52:52

is Chief Tyrol gonna stop being so dick

52:54

drunk and like finally

52:57

put the fate

52:59

of the human race above the

53:01

things that he enjoys in the

53:03

storeroom? Yeah, I mean,

53:05

he and Baltar are both just putting

53:08

Horny on Maine the entire time. That

53:11

is such a great comparison because

53:13

we've gotten so much time with

53:15

Baltar being the antagonist in that

53:17

way and not just an antagonist,

53:19

but like a turncoat, scumbag, ratfuck,

53:22

the worst. I don't

53:24

want to believe Tyrol's like that, and

53:27

yet in behavior, the

53:32

sources of their motivation are only

53:35

tiny bit different. I

53:37

think the difference is that Gaius Baltar

53:39

knows what he's doing and is okay

53:41

with it and Tyrol still doesn't. Yeah,

53:44

but they're both sprung off

53:46

Cylon smoke shows. Yeah,

53:49

what about you, Ben? Yeah, I

53:51

think this was probably my fave

53:53

up so far. Interesting

53:55

dilemma and I liked all the

53:57

nonsense. getting through it. I do

53:59

need this show to knock it off

54:02

with the brief 30 second vignette that

54:04

it just peppers in everywhere because it's

54:06

making my notes very confusing for me

54:09

to reread. Oh yeah, we

54:11

got you through that. As a person who

54:13

is taking notes on hundreds

54:15

and hundreds of episodes of Star Trek, I'm

54:18

just not used to it. You're

54:20

not used to something of this

54:22

complexity. Yeah, yeah,

54:24

don't necessarily like it. But what

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