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And I'm Brian Schulmeister. Good morning,

0:51

good morning, good morning, Brian. How are you this week? It's

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rainy, and it's crappy, and I'm depressed. Ah,

0:56

it's rainy, it's crappy, and I'm depressed too. It's

0:59

just like your home, Brian. It's just

1:01

like your home. See, us Canadians aren't

1:03

all that different. No, no, it's Coachella

1:05

Day. Coachella's kicking off today. Oh, it's

1:07

my favorite weekend in LA because everybody's

1:09

gone. Every single influencer, gone.

1:13

Well, apparently, they're

1:16

having some problems this year, so I think

1:18

some of them stuck around. Damn. I'm

1:20

not selling out anymore like they used to. All

1:23

right. Yeah, well, that's because their lineups suck. That's

1:26

kind of what I heard. I mean, they

1:28

have to market to a younger demographic. I get

1:30

that. And the younger demographic, they're just not into

1:33

music in the same way. It's a different thing.

1:35

It's a vibe. It's not the artist. And

1:38

you're going to Coachella to be

1:41

you at Coachella, not you seeing bands

1:43

at Coachella. I

1:45

can be me at home. That's right. And

1:48

it doesn't cost 500 bucks a ticket. I'm

1:51

good. I actually do have some friends that are going though,

1:53

and I'm like, why? Like,

1:56

because I Think it's habit. It's

1:58

just habit. Well, yeah. I

2:00

understand that. I mean, I went from Coachella

2:02

one up until the final know about ten

2:04

years ago. And it

2:06

was still becoming just kind of habit at that point. And

2:08

then I was like i don't like any of these bands

2:11

when we go to. A

2:13

guy here the stagecoach festival is like do

2:15

and gang busters those if you're in the

2:17

country and way bigger than Coachella these days.

2:19

Him. It's like it's like they could

2:21

show those two weekends I think they have

2:23

one weekend after to wipe off the influence

2:25

or grime and then spread around a bunch

2:28

of a and for a few dumb enough

2:30

for the few or whatever tractors around and

2:32

then they bring in the country artist for

2:34

to. okay I gather that traveling when that

2:36

that was the i care of them vegas

2:38

when then with a guy the hotel room

2:40

shot every buddy and yeah but I thought

2:42

that was states can see I'm getting old.

2:44

I can't even remember which festivals or which.

2:48

Will you don't leave the house? So no big deal. That's

2:50

true, That's true. yes begun to not leaving

2:52

the house, haven't had been passed a the

2:54

cat basketball. We try to get a job

2:56

you know doesn't podcasting thing is you know

2:59

it is what it is. It

3:01

everybody wants you to go in the office. Now I

3:03

can't go in the office. Come on people. With.

3:05

It? What the hell we talked about this. Got.

3:08

Working from the office is over. ever more

3:10

people need to listen to our show in

3:12

understand that them as I think everybody's gone

3:14

mostly hybrid but some some companies are all

3:16

in on trying to get people back. Twenty

3:18

four seven Zambia For some reason it's all

3:21

the people that want to hire me that

3:23

the of as was I can't either have

3:25

disabilities sorry they're like okay well then stay

3:27

home. On that note though I did put

3:29

up my voice is.com profile this week to

3:31

try to make a few extra bucks with

3:33

all this shit that I've got Lighter As

3:36

if you wanna hire you for your project.

3:38

Is gonna be a link in the showed us. Sour.

3:41

Yeah. I did. I've been doing auditions

3:43

every day. I don't have any jobs

3:45

yet, but I got shortlisted for one.

3:48

For. But for. Her Attitude:

3:50

Death certificates in the biggest the

3:52

state of Arkansas are Alabama frolic

3:54

their public's when I was Ga

3:57

Ga public. documents division on

3:59

how to Properly fill out death certificates.

4:01

I got shortlisted, but I didn't even get

4:03

that job damn it. I'm sorry Yeah,

4:06

you'll get it. I should go to work at

4:08

Coachella and I could be like a patchouli Applier,

4:11

you know Come here.

4:13

I'm gonna run around with those ring lights for

4:15

everybody to make sure they have their proper lighting.

4:18

That's it That's it. I can just hold the

4:20

ring light hold the camera and then spritz on

4:22

fake tan Well, they're under the shade

4:24

because they don't want to get skin cancer, but they want to stay

4:26

on the Sun all day Right, I could

4:28

do that. I can do that new market

4:30

opportunity. Whoo. Now. I just gotta wait till

4:32

next year That's right. Start marketing it now

4:36

We talked a couple weeks back

4:38

about the FCC and their attempt

4:40

to or the F Yeah FCC,

4:42

you know all the federal Too

4:46

many of them this one's the FCC Oh They

4:48

they basically were trying to crack down on internet

4:50

service providers and their big thing was you can't

4:52

use the term high bandwidth unless you hit these

4:54

certain metrics Which really didn't

4:57

do much except for send all the ISPs

4:59

PR teams to chat GPT to figure out

5:01

a way around it The

5:03

old days we just opened up the source Yeah,

5:06

well now there's better tools for that. Yeah,

5:08

but they actually rolled something out or yesterday

5:10

I believe that that I actually think is

5:12

a great idea And

5:15

this one under the radar what they

5:17

should have just led with this instead

5:19

of that bullshit about high bandwidth They're

5:21

rolling out mandatory broadband nutrition labels that

5:23

show speeds fees and data allowances So

5:26

they're requiring any ISP with more than

5:28

a hundred thousand subscribers to show these

5:30

things So these labels are supposed

5:32

to show the company's plans fees and any additional

5:34

cots Such as activation fees and

5:37

upfront or rental fees for modems and other

5:39

equipment They also need to show if you

5:41

basically get early termination fees I mean It's

5:43

all like all that bullshit that they've done

5:45

to us all these years all the hidden

5:47

fees all the hidden pricing Has to be

5:50

direct there right there on these labels They

5:52

have to show each plans download and upload

5:54

speeds as well as any anything else involved

5:56

with it You know what they're gonna do

5:58

though. They're just gonna roll out in 19 thousand different

6:00

types of plans to make it as confusing as

6:02

possible. But at least each plan will have to

6:05

be labeled. Where's the label,

6:07

Brian? Where does the label come in? Is it

6:09

stuck on the router? No,

6:11

of course, it's just going to be on the

6:13

website, but they did say that it cannot be

6:16

hard to find. You cannot bury it. It has

6:18

to be accessible from your customer account portal. And

6:20

ISP should give you a copy if you ask. Okay.

6:23

Accessible from your customer account portal can mean

6:25

a lot of different things. Brian, you and

6:27

I know this. I'm going to call my

6:30

ISP and ask them to fax me a

6:32

copy of this label. Would you please mimeograph

6:34

me a few copies and carry it over

6:36

by a, by young men child boy. I

6:39

also accept teletyping. Ah, that'll work too.

6:44

We'll send it to you in Morse code. Well,

6:47

last week we did talk about

6:49

Trump media and how, how

6:51

the stock was tanking after its

6:53

IPO. Well, nothing has changed. It's

6:55

taking more. Yeah. It's on

6:57

its downward trajectory yesterday. It ended at 3241.

7:01

You know, it's not going well when even

7:03

the financial analysts on Fox news basically say

7:05

that this is a turd. Yeah.

7:09

I love this. Trump owns nearly 60% of

7:11

the company's shares. As of Thursday's close, his shares

7:13

are worth 2.55 billion on paper. About

7:16

half of what they were worth two weeks ago. So

7:21

you can watch that one go down, but he's

7:23

still barred from selling them for six months, unless

7:25

there's some shenanigans going on, which there probably is.

7:27

There will be shenanigans. Yeah,

7:29

there always is. It's Trump. In

7:33

the news. A

7:39

federal court in California has recently

7:41

ruled in favor of the Center for

7:43

countering digital hate. Yeah.

7:49

Confirming the right to criticize social

7:51

media platforms without fear of retaliation.

7:54

The lawsuit filed by Elon Musk and X

7:56

Corp against the was

7:58

dismissed. Highlight. Elon Musk

8:00

the free speech guy? Yeah, yeah

8:02

wasn't isn't that ironic? He's

8:06

the free speech guy. Yeah. Well, why is

8:08

he why is he suing against free speech

8:10

to criticize his platform? Yeah,

8:14

I don't know you're gonna have to ask him

8:16

Ryan you're gonna have to Okay,

8:18

get him on the horn get him on the horn

8:21

Yeah, it turns out it was bullshit bullshit lawsuit and the

8:23

judge saw through it and said get the fuck out of my

8:25

courtroom That's nice. Yeah.

8:28

Yep something actually worked, right?

8:30

It's good Another Elon

8:32

News Grok has been creating

8:34

bizarre fake news about the Solar Eclipse Basically,

8:36

thanks to the fact that it trains itself

8:39

on X and doesn't understand

8:41

jokes Yeah

8:46

So while this latest story which came out

8:48

Monday about the solar eclipse is his dire

8:50

as last week's inaccurate news that Iran Had

8:52

launched an attack on Israel. That's kind of

8:54

a headline that Grok created Hmm

8:57

for the you know, number one news source

8:59

in the world according to Elon Musk The

9:03

one on Monday read Sun's odd behavior

9:05

experts baffled. I'd like to point out

9:08

experts were not baffled No one know

9:10

we really do understand eclipses. Yeah But

9:13

yeah because a bunch of comedians made jokes

9:16

and that's what Grok trained itself on

9:18

it made this an actual news headline

9:20

So Grok just going great. Yeah.

9:22

Yeah only just insane people

9:25

were baffled It was

9:27

a there's a lot of them and they have blue

9:29

checks Yeah, they do.

9:31

They do. I don't know if you heard

9:33

the story here But about half

9:35

a mile from my house a woman

9:37

stabbed her husband to death Then

9:39

drove like a mad woman down the 405

9:41

throwing her nine-year-old daughter a newborn baby out

9:43

the out the car while it was moving

9:46

And then killed herself by running into a

9:48

tree because she thought the end was nigh

9:50

because of the apocalypse Yeah,

9:53

and she was an influencer with over a

9:55

hundred thousand subscribers But

9:58

she was in California you didn't even have

10:00

you had like a tiny little barely

10:02

eclipse. Oh, I know. It didn't even

10:05

get dark. It didn't last very long.

10:07

No, I think she was I think she was an influencer

10:09

on truth social. And

10:12

listen to grok on the the off

10:14

hours. Fair enough. All right. Yeah,

10:17

God. Anyway, yep. And

10:19

in more Elon News, Tesla's introducing a

10:21

robo taxi on August 8, according to

10:23

Elon on X, which tells her not

10:25

gonna fucking happen. This, of course, happened

10:27

a few hours after Reuters published a

10:29

report that they are scrapping their plans

10:31

to produce a low cost EV, which

10:33

bumped their stock for a little bit.

10:35

But apparently, that was also bullshit. So

10:37

we now have bullshit to cover the bullshit. Because

10:40

grok is the only PR person left over

10:43

at x. So, you

10:46

know, all of his companies are forced to

10:48

eat their own dog food from the other companies. So,

10:50

so the Reuters report basically announced

10:53

that and then Elon, of course came out and

10:55

said that Reuters is lying again. But

10:57

he didn't clarify what part of the report was a

10:59

lie at all. So

11:02

he's just God damn it,

11:04

man. I'm so sick of this, dude. Well,

11:07

I got a little more. Okay, great. In

11:10

recent news, a Bloomberg report has

11:12

cast out on SpaceX's claims regarding

11:14

the profitability of Starlink. Despite

11:17

the CEO's previous announcement of

11:19

achieving break even cash flow

11:21

and dominating the satellite space,

11:23

the report suggests the company

11:25

significantly underestimated the costs of

11:27

launching satellites and is losing

11:29

substantial amounts on ground terminals.

11:31

Couple hundred bucks a shot

11:33

on those. So

11:36

yeah, so he bullshit about

11:38

the financials. Surprised?

11:41

No, not really. So

11:44

yeah, the hits keep on coming.

11:46

The hits keep on coming. SpaceX

11:49

is the one that I'll actually like give him

11:51

a pass on. But Starlink is the one that

11:53

I want. Yeah, if you want to launch other

11:55

people's satellites and get people to the ISS and

11:57

get to the moon, that's great. Leave it at

12:00

Fuck Mars, we know that's not gonna

12:02

work ever. Dumb idea. And

12:05

quit screwing up the sky with

12:07

these Starlink satellites, you know? All

12:09

the airlines have said, now we don't want it. The

12:12

only people that are using it right now

12:14

are basically the Russians to kill the Ukrainians

12:16

because the Ukrainians can't afford the satellites anymore.

12:18

So hey, you know? Yeah. I

12:21

don't know. I've never liked Starlink

12:23

from the get. And

12:25

this just, this doesn't really help its reputation in

12:27

my book. No, but now

12:29

we have a gazillion satellites up there cluttering up the

12:31

light sky. So thanks a lot. Oh, there's

12:34

gonna be more too. They're just getting started and now

12:36

Amazon's on track to do the same thing. Right.

12:39

So, you know, we're gonna be, we're basically gonna

12:41

be locked in pretty soon. So it doesn't

12:44

matter. You're not gonna get to Mars because you can't get

12:46

past, you know, near Earth orbit because

12:49

of all the crap up there. Anyway.

12:53

Speaking of crap, President

12:56

Biden has acknowledged that the US

12:58

is actually considering a request from

13:00

the Australian government to cease its

13:02

legal actions against Julian Assange. Well,

13:07

isn't that silly? After

13:11

all this time, I know they could just, you

13:13

know, I guess they could be kind of served.

13:16

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Some

13:19

cost fallacy, baby. Look it up. Also,

13:23

last week we had talked about how

13:25

basically YouTube said, hey, stop training your

13:28

AI models on our videos because that's

13:30

our creator's copyrights. Well, you'll be

13:32

shocked to find out, Jason, that both

13:34

OpenAI and Google have been training their

13:36

AI models on text transcribed from YouTube

13:38

videos. No shit, Sherlock. No

13:41

shit. Yeah. There's a report that's

13:43

come out which subscribes the lanes that OpenAI, Google, and

13:45

Meta have gone in order to maximize the amount of

13:47

data they can feed into their AIs

13:49

citing numerous people with knowledge of the company's

13:51

practices. This, of course, is not

13:54

surprising at all, but according

13:56

to the New York Times, OpenAI uses Whisper

13:58

Speech Recognition Tool to train. transcribe more than

14:00

1 million hours of YouTube videos, which

14:02

were then used to train chat GPT

14:04

for some and

14:06

Google of course, which technically owns YouTube,

14:09

but still has to

14:11

respect the rights that they

14:13

grant people said,

14:15

fuck it. It's ours and

14:19

train their models on it too, which they weren't

14:21

supposed to do. No, no.

14:24

Yeah. No,

14:27

the big news this week is that we're out

14:29

of shit to put into these, these models, these

14:31

LLMs for the training data. Now here's the thing.

14:33

They have literally gotten to the end of the

14:35

internet, Jason. They have. They have gotten to the

14:37

end of the internet. Now the discussions are, can

14:40

we make some shit up to train against? And

14:42

I'm like, doesn't make any sense. Take

14:45

a breath, guys, take a breath. And

14:47

I want you to realize what you're

14:49

saying. You are a junkie at this

14:51

point. You have to keep our jobs

14:54

going shareholder value, more money. If

14:56

you cannot make this work with

14:58

the sum total of human knowledge,

15:01

which you have now on your

15:03

hard drives, you have everything we've

15:05

ever fucking created. And a lot

15:07

of shit wrong. But

15:11

if you can't do it with that, I

15:14

would concentrate on sorting out the wheat from

15:16

the chaff with the data you do have.

15:18

Seriously. Come on. It's

15:21

like, okay, first stop, stop

15:23

looking at X for anything.

15:26

Stop looking at Reddit for most things. I

15:28

think the only one that really is going

15:30

to benefit, at least the decent information is

15:32

from Stack Overflow, which got sucked into wherever

15:34

that got sucked into, but anyway,

15:37

it's just, it has gotten to the point

15:39

of ludicrousity. Make

15:42

up a word. You did. Because

15:45

that's now been sucked up by the AI. And

15:47

the AI now thinks it's a real word. I

15:49

know. I know. Well, maybe the AI will give

15:51

me credit for coining the term Dickies back in

15:53

the day. And I can revive that. I'm still

15:55

stuck on that. Damn it. But

15:57

it's like, come on. What,

16:00

if you have all this stuff and you still

16:02

can't make it work, is it a failed proposition

16:04

or do you just need to figure some new

16:06

shit out with what you've

16:08

got instead of trying to make up more shit

16:10

to shove into the already broken system? Right.

16:14

I mean, I'm not a genius and

16:16

I don't plan to know, to say that I

16:18

know everything about how AI works, but I'm guessing

16:20

if you've got everything that's ever been on the

16:22

internet, half the books that have ever been written,

16:24

and you shove it all into this thing and

16:27

it still sucks, well... It's gonna keep

16:29

sucking. Yeah. Feeding

16:32

it with more data than it makes up is not

16:34

going to solve the problem. I think we all understand

16:36

that except for the people running these things. No,

16:38

it just reminds me of the guy that was

16:41

telling somebody about his business. Yeah, we lose a

16:43

dollar on every unit, but we'll make it up

16:45

in scale. That's what

16:47

you... Come on.

16:49

Google New Order Blue Monday, people.

16:55

It was the most expensive record. The

16:57

record cost more to produce, the vinyl,

16:59

than they sold it for. And then

17:01

it went on to become a fucking

17:03

million selling album. They lost so much

17:05

fucking money. Scale did not

17:07

help. No, it doesn't. It

17:11

just fucking doesn't. Got some

17:14

more pink slips in the news, Jason. The Geek Squad

17:16

has been hit. Oh no! Yes.

17:19

Geek Squad agents have been flooding Reddit

17:21

with images of their badges and posts

17:23

about going sleeper after the company reportedly

17:25

conducted mass layoffs this week. Listen

17:28

Geek Squad guys, you're nerds. You're not fucking 007.

17:33

You're not going sleeper mode. Jesus,

17:36

you got fired. Yeah,

17:39

no. Former employees spoke

17:41

to 404 Media, said they were sent an email notifying

17:43

them to work from home on Wednesday and were then

17:45

called individually to be told the news about their jobs.

17:47

It would be hard to be a Geek Squad guy

17:49

to work from home. Yeah, pretty much.

17:51

You have to deal with the machines in front of

17:53

you. You have to go into

17:56

the housewives' home to steal all of her nudes

17:58

off of her hard drive. Post

18:00

them to the internet. Now I'm always

18:02

sad about this, this sort of thing, but you

18:04

and I have IR for geek squad, it wasn't

18:06

exactly the best and brightest. No,

18:08

it was definitely the best and brightest.

18:12

Oh, I got some more people. It was 000s, that's what they

18:15

were. No doubt. Drop

18:17

the hero, they are the zero. Yeah,

18:21

not a big fan, not a big fan. But

18:23

I got a little bit more new pink slip

18:25

news that came out and this is a kind

18:27

of a non tech field that is losing a

18:29

bunch of people. This is the, well,

18:32

this is the Texas Tribune

18:34

reports and automated scoring engine

18:36

that utilizes natural language processing.

18:39

Of course, what they're going to be doing

18:41

is the Texas education agency is

18:43

going to be taking away 4,000 jobs

18:46

this year and putting it in the hands of

18:48

AI to test basically

18:51

scores from the

18:53

standardized tests for something to

18:56

eighth grade, third grade to eighth grade, I believe. Like

18:58

the written exams, not the stuff that you could have

19:00

just filled out the little bubbles and the scanning machines

19:02

could read them. Yeah. They're going

19:04

to, they're going to grade that too with AI. And

19:07

what they're going to do is they, like, so they get the, you said 6,000

19:09

graders, they're going to get it down to two. But

19:11

what they're going to do is those 2000 are going

19:13

to spot check the results from the AI to make

19:15

sure that they're not hallucinating. Little, little

19:18

tip for you, Texas students that might be

19:20

listening to me right now. Little, little Johnny

19:22

in third grade there. If you're given the

19:24

optional written part to come up with your

19:26

own topic, do not write about black history.

19:28

Do not write about black history. We know what

19:30

AI does with black people. Or

19:33

the eclipse. Don't write about the eclipse.

19:36

Um, try not to do any

19:38

law questions that might come up. Yeah.

19:41

Avoid that. Uh, what else has been AI?

19:43

I've just been gangbusters at, oh, everything. Fingers.

19:46

Oh yeah. Write about six fingers. Yeah. My good

19:49

buddy, six finger Louie. You're going to get an

19:51

A. Or the six fingered man

19:53

on, uh, the princess bride. So

19:56

yeah. Uh, have fun, have fun kids. What

19:58

could possibly go wrong? Texas. So are they

20:00

really going to be able to tell? I don't

20:03

know. Big state,

20:06

man. It is a big state. It is

20:08

a very big state. I

20:10

used to live there. I know. I

20:13

drove through once. It took

20:15

you about six weeks, didn't it? Took three fucking days,

20:17

man. It's a big fucking state. I know. And that's

20:19

the first and only time I've ever seen get a

20:22

gun for opening a bank account or get a gun

20:24

for filling up your gas tank. That's about it. You

20:26

got to buy a hot dog to get ammo. Two.

20:31

Oh, man. Okay. So moving on. Sorry, Texas.

20:33

You know, I do like you. I've been

20:35

there a lot. Your barbecue's fantastic. There's a

20:38

lot of things in Texas that are fantastic.

20:41

So Dove, the

20:43

soap company, says that

20:45

it is putting a drawing a line

20:47

in the sand saying that we are

20:49

never going to use AI or

20:52

artificial intelligence to create or alter images

20:54

of women in our advertisements. We're going

20:56

to do it the old fashioned way

20:59

with Photoshop. Everybody else. Now,

21:01

Dove has actually always been a very good

21:03

company in this aspect because they were the

21:05

first company that came out with using real

21:07

women in their commercials, like not perfect looking,

21:10

all that sort of thing. So good for

21:12

them. Good. But that's your

21:14

brand. You have branded yourself that way

21:16

already. So it's not really a big

21:18

stance. No, it's not. It's not. This

21:20

is kind of the same. Now, for Stachi comes out and

21:22

says that. Okay. I'm

21:25

listening. I

21:27

got to say the Dove for Men line

21:29

is actually really good. I enjoy their product.

21:32

I do too. Yes. I think

21:35

all the men in my family use that. The

21:38

Dove for Men products. Highly recommended. So

21:41

yeah, now feel free to use AI on

21:43

your guys in your advertisements because nobody wants

21:45

to see a beer belly fat fucker. So

21:47

you might guess. Some

21:50

people do. Some people do, I guess.

21:52

There's a lid for every pot, Jason. Yes,

21:54

there is. Yes, there is. So

21:57

to wrap this up for today, I got a little

21:59

bit of time. bit of influencer news because I thought

22:01

this was a thing of the past. In

22:04

a tragic incident, 39-year-old Inessa

22:06

Polenko fell to her death while taking a selfie on

22:08

a cliff top in Abkhazia, Georgia. Abkhazia.

22:21

Abkhazia. Something like

22:23

that. Prisoner of Abkhazia. She

22:26

climbed over a barrier at the gag reviewing point,

22:28

stumbled and fell over 170 feet

22:31

onto the beach below. I love

22:33

this. The event underscores a growing

22:35

public health concern highlighted by researchers

22:37

who note that selfie related deaths

22:39

are becoming increasingly common due to

22:41

the risks people take to capture

22:43

the perfect photo. Apparently they've never

22:45

heard of Photoshop or AI. You

22:49

know, this is Darwin in

22:51

action as far as I'm concerned.

22:53

Oh yes. Efforts like establishing no

22:55

selfie zones and enhancing safety measures

22:57

is suggested to prevent such incidents.

22:59

Polenko's funeral was held in Sochi,

23:01

Russia where she was a beautician.

23:03

Well, I would say safety

23:05

measures. I don't know if you read the

23:07

beginning of the article. She climbed over a

23:09

barrier. But if

23:12

there had been a no selfie zone sign

23:14

on that barrier, Jason, she

23:16

would have paid attention to that.

23:18

That would have saved her life.

23:20

Yes. Not enough

23:23

labels. This is why we have

23:25

written on the paper wrapping that our burgers

23:27

come in, not edible now. We

23:32

were supposed to have fucking jet packs and flying

23:34

cars by now. We have paper wrappers that tell

23:36

us not to eat them. Oh,

23:41

but you know, I'm thinking, I'm thinking this

23:43

is why influencers make so much money because

23:45

there really is hazard involved in the job

23:47

that they do. You know?

23:49

They should all wear construction vests.

23:52

I know. Every influencer. They

23:55

do make more money than those deep sea

23:57

oil rig workers. The

24:01

risk should be consummate with the pay. So

24:03

I guess, you know, yeah, every now

24:05

and again, you're gonna lose one or two. Look,

24:07

Bob, another 20 people died this week taking selfies.

24:09

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27:25

Candy. Pirated

27:28

copies of the highly anticipated movie

27:30

Dune Part 2 have leaked online

27:32

beating the firm's digital official

27:35

release date. What happened

27:37

here, nobody really knows where

27:40

this came from because usually you see these copies.

27:43

This is a very high quality copy that

27:45

is the same that would be released when

27:47

you can buy it for streaming

27:49

or is released to a streaming platform. It

27:52

came out early, way early than anybody

27:54

saw. Two weeks ago if I remember

27:56

correctly. Last week. This

27:58

came out last week. Last week? Um, uh,

28:01

because it was a very big surprise to me when I

28:03

saw it come out. I'm like, well, hello there. I

28:06

thought it was a handicap copy that showed up

28:08

on my little pirate stick. No, no, there was

28:10

one out before that. Uh,

28:12

so, and this one was a tribute to

28:15

the Evo group who apparently got busted, uh,

28:18

not too long ago. So somebody, uh,

28:20

somebody's porn went out for their homies.

28:22

And I have to say it's a pretty good copy.

28:25

Don't ask me how I know, but I

28:28

don't know either, but I just haven't had time because

28:30

I don't want to break it up. I need a

28:32

three hour block to sit and not watch this. I

28:36

haven't found that three hour block yet. Well,

28:38

when you do find that free at three hour block,

28:40

Brian, to not watch this, it

28:43

is fantastic. And it is

28:45

even better than, than not watching it in

28:47

the theater because you can take a pee

28:49

break, like several of them. I think I

28:51

took five while I was not watching this

28:53

movie for three hours. Taken by purportedly for

28:55

the supposed fantastic movie that isn't available anywhere

28:58

yet for free. Yes, I know.

29:00

I know. So

29:02

I, you know, I, I not watched this

29:05

in honor of our friend, Brian Blondell, who actually

29:07

went to the theater and spent two and a

29:10

half hours in the theater. And

29:12

then the movie was turned off and

29:14

pay in the staff of the movie

29:16

theater came into the theater and kicked

29:18

everyone out saying we're closing due to

29:20

staffing issues and here's a refund. Go

29:23

home. People finished the fucking

29:26

movie for God's sake. It's a half hour.

29:28

Yeah. Yeah. And for the movie that I didn't watch

29:31

for three hours, that last half hour is the half

29:33

hour that you want to see. So, you

29:35

know, I think that, uh, you know, I'm

29:37

with Evo stand with Evo and not watch this

29:39

movie that you can get high quality on any

29:42

of your streaming platforms that are not paid for.

29:45

Yeah. Well, actually technically I do pay for the streaming

29:47

platform that I'm not supposed to have. Oh,

29:49

I don't pay for the, sorry, I don't pay for

29:51

the streaming platform that I don't have and

29:54

I don't intend to find three hours this weekend to

29:56

not watch this movie. I recommend not

29:59

watching it with a. of wine. It's a

30:01

joy. Three hours. I'm gonna need three

30:03

bottles of wine. It's

30:05

true. I forgot about you. You have

30:08

appetites. You have appetites. And

30:11

Fallout, the new video based

30:13

on the video game, came

30:16

out on Amazon Prime. Right.

30:18

And yeah, fucking commercials in it.

30:22

Yeah, that's they told us. I

30:24

know. And like sheep. This

30:26

is the real sheep, people. Yeah. You

30:28

blue checkers. This is where we're being sheep. Not

30:30

that other bullshit you're making up. What

30:33

I love is at the beginning of this one,

30:37

watching a thing that I do pay for, there's

30:40

an ad that comes on at the beginning of it saying,

30:43

this episode is brought to you ad

30:45

free by blah, blah, blah, after

30:48

this ad. If it's, if

30:50

I, if you're making me

30:52

watch a fucking ad, it's not ad free. No,

30:56

that's very true. Yeah. I watched the first episode

30:58

though and it was good. So yeah,

31:01

I did. I saw reviews that said it's actually

31:03

really good. And there was a really good article

31:05

on, on slate basically saying this is the new

31:07

superhero movie. It's going to be all video game

31:09

adaptations. That's going to be the new thing. So

31:12

well, I'm going to do them well. Who cares? I don't care what

31:14

the source material is. Just have a story. Yeah.

31:17

As long as it's a good story, you know,

31:19

I, the last of us was phenomenal. Loved it.

31:22

So hopefully that'll be coming back soon for

31:24

season two. But yeah, I think

31:26

there's three episodes out already a fallout.

31:28

So yeah, I can't wait

31:30

to watch the next one. So, so

31:32

far, it's a good start. It's a very good start.

31:36

The regime wrapped up. That was

31:38

a one and done. It's not, that's not a

31:40

series, though. It's just a mini

31:42

series, a limited season or limited series, I

31:44

believe they call it the old days would

31:46

call it a mini series. It

31:49

was weird. It

31:51

was weird. I can't say that

31:53

I would recommend taking six hours

31:55

of your life to watch it. Yeah, I've

31:57

already got three hours of my life to not watch something else. So

32:00

I think I'm gonna pass on this. Yeah. Yeah,

32:02

you could actually not watch that twice and you

32:04

would be much better off Okay, watching this for

32:06

six hours. Thank you for saving me six hours

32:09

Jason Well, you saved me an hour and a

32:11

half after constellations So so the least I can

32:13

do Brian it's the least I can do no

32:15

problem and continuing on with

32:17

our Tribute to things that

32:20

make us feel old Sean of the

32:22

dead is 20 years old this week. Sorry

32:24

my back hurts right now. Yes Well,

32:27

it's funny the first time I saw it was in

32:29

the cinnarama dome which makes my bad way every time

32:31

I think of that I think of my back hurting

32:33

because the seat sucked Yeah,

32:35

I saw the yeah week before it came out

32:37

and there's another article that I

32:40

have in here where Edgar Wright Simon Peggy

32:42

Nick Frost get interviewed and they talk about

32:45

some of the origins of getting the the

32:47

movie off the ground and they talk about the Screening

32:49

that I was at so it's kind of fun kind of

32:51

fun They but the the news is the

32:54

real news is that they're gonna put it back in

32:56

theaters this year Okay, and I'm

32:58

going god damn it Hopefully

33:00

they won't turn it off at the end and I get you to

33:03

see it all the way through But to

33:05

make sure they're fully staffed that day when you walk in

33:07

say how many people are here serving up the popcorn Exactly

33:10

unless you want read on you. You better let that

33:12

fucking movie play It

33:14

is it is hands down one of the best

33:16

movies ever made as far as far as I'm

33:18

concerned Look, it's a silly comedy and it involves

33:21

horror two things. My wife does not like my

33:23

wife loves this movie Yeah, it's a rum zom-com.

33:25

Yeah, it's fucking phenomenal. It's one of the best

33:27

movies ever made. Yep, and

33:30

Edgar Wright I do still believe is one of

33:32

the best directors out there and he is going

33:34

to be redoing The Running Man Okay,

33:37

the funny part of The Running Man is that

33:39

the original running man took place in 2025 And

33:42

that's when this movie will be coming out It

33:45

only has to do now is just walk out on the street because

33:47

by 2025 it's gonna be just

33:49

like Running Man Starting

33:51

to feel that way. It's getting close.

33:53

It's getting close So

33:55

look forward to that in a theater near you

33:59

Alright I started watching a

34:01

new show over on Disney Plus. It's called

34:03

Renegade Now. And

34:05

it's delightful. I'm four episodes

34:07

in. It's half

34:09

period piece, half comedy, and then if you

34:11

add another half to it, which is inappropriate

34:13

math, half action. Okay.

34:16

Is it an adult thing or is it a kids thing? I

34:19

wouldn't let my kid watch it, but

34:21

I mean, you know, tweens and teens

34:23

up, I'd say. But yeah, there's adult

34:25

joke, there's adult content. It's

34:27

a lot of fun. And it's got one

34:30

of the guys from Ted Lasso is

34:32

in it as this little weird fairy guy.

34:35

And it's, oh, man, it's just weird, but

34:37

I like it. It's funny and clever. And

34:39

yeah, it's like, you know, kind of a

34:41

period Witcher for kids. Okay.

34:43

Okay. Oh, I see. There's

34:46

a super powered sidekick. Yes.

34:48

Yes. Yeah. A lot of fun so far.

34:50

So I have to say, you know, it came out of

34:52

nowhere. I hadn't heard about it. It's obviously, you know, it's

34:54

British produced and all that sort of thing. So, you know,

34:56

I hadn't heard anything about this all of a sudden. It

34:58

just starts showing up in my Disney Plus. And I was

35:00

like, all right, let's give that a go. And well worth

35:02

it so far. All right. All right. I

35:05

won't be checking it out. Enjoy it. All

35:07

right. Saving you some time there. I

35:09

don't have any plus anymore. Right.

35:11

Right. And this came

35:13

out and I just had to laugh because, you know,

35:15

these, these, these people just don't

35:17

understand how anything works anymore. In

35:19

an interview with the channel, Tweak Music Tips,

35:21

Twitch CEO Dan Clancy said that DJ streamers

35:23

on the platform will have to share their

35:25

revenue with music labels. You know why? You're

35:28

broadcasting their fucking music. Is

35:34

that what I'm writing? You can't do that without

35:36

paying for it. Radio

35:39

stations pay for it. Streaming radio stations

35:42

pay for it. Satellite radio stations pay

35:44

for it. DJs pay for it when

35:46

they play shows at venues because you

35:48

pay a fee to do

35:50

that. Elevator even pay for it. Elevator

35:53

music people pay for it. Telephone music

35:55

pays for it. You don't have to?

35:57

Why? Fucking

36:00

special snowflake? Oh, yes, they all think they

36:02

are. That's right. Twitch

36:04

is owned by Amazon. They can afford it. Ah,

36:07

yeah. Well, they're basically saying that

36:09

the DJs have to pay a portion of this

36:11

as well, because they're making money, right? So if

36:14

you are a DJ spinning over Twitch and you're

36:16

getting money, you owe some of that money. They're

36:18

not going to pay full freight for you. No,

36:21

that makes sense. Yeah, yeah,

36:24

you know, if you're if you're making money off of

36:26

it, yeah, the cut should go back to the it's

36:29

just like a radio station. I mean,

36:31

yes, literally no difference. Literally

36:34

no fucking difference. Yes, but they have not

36:36

been doing so. So yes. So finally, it's

36:38

like, okay, I guess we have to, I

36:40

don't know, pay the people that made this

36:42

music. Yeah. Good luck. I've

36:44

been working with somebody who's got a song coming out

36:46

in two weeks. And now that I've seen how the

36:49

sausage is made, I just,

36:52

the music industry, I just don't understand. I

36:55

just don't understand. Any

36:57

of it. God,

36:59

publishing rights. Yeah, is

37:01

one of those things that you have to have

37:03

like a five year degree just to get the

37:06

basics of it. Yeah, it's complicated. It is.

37:08

It is so stupid. It is so

37:11

stupid. But, you

37:13

know, don't worry, Jason, the blockchain is going to

37:15

fix that. Yeah. And smart contracts going

37:18

to make it all easier. Yeah,

37:20

at least the people I'm working with, most

37:23

of them understand that it's all

37:25

smoke and mirrors because they're never going to make a dime

37:27

off the actual song. They're going

37:29

to make, they're going to make money performing the

37:31

song. Yeah, you know, that's it. Yeah,

37:34

you the song is a loss leader for

37:36

actually getting your ass into a place to

37:38

get asses in seats and sell t shirts.

37:40

That's all it is anymore. Yep. So

37:42

they're not for quite some time. I know you have. And

37:44

now I get to see it firsthand. And it's like, I

37:47

we're surrounding ourselves with people who

37:50

understand that, you know, that

37:52

the music is not going to make any money.

37:54

Because when you get to people when you get

37:56

around people who think that they're going to become

37:58

gazillionaires off of a song. And like

38:00

hold on to their percentage points like they were

38:02

doubloons. Those are the annoying people who just

38:04

don't get the joke And it's like

38:06

let's get rid of you, you know so

38:11

Um, you know speaking of about everything we were

38:13

just talking about I don't know if you saw

38:15

that uh, trent rezner's back in the news because

38:17

he's firing up the nine inch nails machine again

38:19

And starting to run out of money. No, I

38:21

think I think he got fucking bored doing soundtracks

38:24

Um, and he you know wants to get back

38:26

out there again But he did do a really

38:28

interesting bit of his interview where he was talking

38:30

about again the rich get richer He's like he

38:32

slammed on streaming media basically saying it's great if

38:34

you're drake or taylor swift It sucks if you're

38:36

anybody else. Yeah, all the money goes to the

38:38

rich people already So that's pretty much

38:40

what we've been saying the whole whole time.

38:42

I mean literally since spotify launch That's what

38:45

the narrative has been. Yeah, the big artists

38:47

are going to do great. Everybody

38:49

else is going to get shafted Squeezing

38:51

out the middle class of musicians, you

38:53

know the ones that actually write good stuff cups

38:56

and do-dads So

38:59

I don't have roku I know you do

39:01

or did and a lot of people seem

39:03

to really like it I've got two roku

39:05

TVs made by tcl. Yes. All right, and

39:07

they serve ads through their platform But

39:10

apparently they've filed a patent to explore

39:12

the idea of showing you ads while

39:14

you're using third-party devices connected to its

39:16

TVs So this is this

39:18

was found by somebody called or a company called

39:20

lowpass They're looking to develop a system for a

39:22

method for ad insertion By a

39:24

display device coupled to a media device

39:26

by a high-definition media interface connection So

39:29

basically you've got an apple tv a chromecast

39:31

whatever else that isn't roku plugged into your

39:34

roku tv They've got a

39:36

patent now to figure out a way to send

39:38

ads as soon as you pause your other your

39:40

other's platform Right. Yeah,

39:43

I can that's awesome. Yeah, i've seen

39:45

the interesting thing is cable boxes do

39:47

this now Uh, like

39:49

because i've got i'm on direct tv. So as soon

39:51

as you pause like two seconds later You

39:53

just start getting slammed with ads. It

39:56

just turns into like a carousel of ads

39:58

right now my roku only shows

40:00

me an ad when I go to

40:03

the change interface screen. So

40:05

if I want to switch between any of the apps or,

40:08

honestly for me, I switch between satellite and Apple

40:10

TV. That's it. Because the Roku

40:12

built-in apps are shit compared to running them on an

40:14

Apple TV. But I can

40:16

see this is a very easy tech thing.

40:19

It's like, okay, detect no motion on the

40:21

screen or pause, then boom, I've

40:23

come to that. Is this a

40:25

good thing? Well, of course, fuck no, it's not a

40:27

good thing. It's not a good thing. And of course,

40:29

there was a lot of public pushback on this and

40:31

Roku has come out and said, well, we never said

40:33

anything about implementing it. We're just filing the patents. It's

40:36

an intriguing technology. Blah, blah, blah, blah,

40:38

blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. So

40:40

coming soon to a Roku TV near you. No,

40:44

there's got to be a market out there

40:46

for dumb TVs again soon. You think? You

40:49

can't even find one anymore. It's so annoying.

40:51

I know. All I, you know, it's

40:53

just a computer monitor now is what you need. Yeah. That's

40:56

really all it is anymore. It's plugging

40:58

HDMI cable into it. Boom. The

41:00

best I do is I've got Samsung TVs and they're

41:02

smart TVs, but you can go in and turn off

41:04

everything. Yeah. See, the problem is

41:07

I've got one Samsung TV that I got

41:09

at a resale shop for the studio and

41:12

those TVs are in mint condition. I got it

41:14

for next to nothing. And

41:16

because it turns out they come from an apartment building

41:18

that bought all these TVs for their tenants and then

41:20

they swapped out and got new TVs. And when they

41:22

sold the old ones, the genius

41:24

manager of the apartment complex didn't

41:27

remove his credentials from any of

41:29

the streaming services. So I get

41:31

free everything on that Samsung TV.

41:33

So I do not want to

41:35

wipe it. Nice. I get

41:37

that. Yeah. Yeah.

41:40

So at least there, there's a win, you

41:42

know, because by, by direct TV, because it's

41:44

all wireless now with direct TV,

41:46

the transmitter will not make it to the

41:48

garage where the Samsung TV is. Like I

41:50

get free shit in the garage. Isn't right.

41:53

But the two Roku TVs in the house

41:56

still get all that. But the

41:58

one thing I wish I could do. I've

42:00

got that Amazon Fire TV. That

42:05

is the most annoying piece of shit

42:07

interface on the planet. Oh, I have

42:10

an Amazon Fire stick which may

42:12

or may not have a certain streaming network

42:14

that doesn't exist on it. And

42:17

that's all I use it for. But it is

42:19

the worst interface just to even open up that

42:21

app, just to boot it up. It's ads everywhere.

42:23

It's horrible. It's just crap. Well,

42:26

here it is with the actual built

42:28

into the TV. First

42:30

when you turn it on, it has to boot up, which

42:32

takes a long time. You

42:34

can't just turn it on and go. And

42:37

as soon as you do, it goes

42:40

to a screen of ads for Amazon

42:42

Prime videos. I'm like, this

42:45

is a very expensive TV. I bought this. Yeah.

42:49

I didn't buy it with the ad

42:51

version. It's not like a Kindle where

42:53

you can buy it with or without

42:56

ads. I bought a fucking television, not

42:58

an Amazon propaganda device. Or

43:00

I guess I did buy an Amazon propaganda device because I

43:02

can't fucking figure out how to turn it off. You did.

43:05

You did. Yeah. That's

43:08

awesome. And it won't default. It also won't default to

43:10

your, I want it to be HDMI one is my

43:12

input. I want that to go to when I turn

43:14

it on because that's my Apple TV. I

43:17

don't care how much technology you have in your

43:19

Amazon stupid box. But you did

43:21

not buy an Apple TV. You bought an

43:23

Amazon TV. I know about a fire TV,

43:25

which is just about as pleasurable as going

43:28

to the fucking fire festival. At

43:31

least you got a sandwich there. Oh, wait. Yeah.

43:36

Well, speaking of groundbreaking technologies that are going

43:38

to change the world, we talked a lot about

43:40

the humane AI pin as it was announced and

43:42

before it came out to the public and it

43:44

has now come out to the public. I

43:47

saw this review and I'm just going to read

43:49

two paragraphs from this because I just think it

43:51

encapsulates everything that we need to know about this.

43:54

I don't even know what it is really. I found

43:56

myself at a loss for words while trying to explain

43:58

the humane AI pin to my friends. The best

44:00

description so far is that it's a combination of

44:02

a wearable Siri button with a camera and built-in

44:05

projector that beams onto your palm. But each time

44:07

I start explaining that, I get so caught up

44:09

in pointing out its problems that I never really

44:11

get to fully detail what the AI pin can

44:13

do, or is meant to do anyway. In

44:15

the company's own words, the Humane AI pin

44:17

is the first wearable device and software platform

44:20

built to harness the full power of artificial

44:22

intelligence. If that doesn't clear it up,

44:24

well, I can't blame you. I've

44:27

got some to read too. I

44:32

think this is Gizmodo, so of course it had a

44:34

great headline. Humane's AI pin is a $700 flaming

44:37

dumpster fire. And after months

44:39

of testing, the review embargo

44:41

has finally lifted. And as

44:43

it turns out, the $700

44:46

Gizmo, which also requires a $24

44:48

monthly subscription plan, is every bit

44:50

as disappointing as we expected. Perfect.

44:54

No, I was on X every now and then. I

44:56

just end up scrolling through it. And of course there's

44:59

a bunch of fucking idiot, like, blue

45:01

check mark people that have these things that are trying

45:03

to explain how great they are because that's what people

45:05

do these days. And one of them was like, you

45:08

know, this thing is just really great. Yeah,

45:10

there's a learning curve. I mean, you know,

45:12

normally you wouldn't want to spend five days

45:14

learning how to do basic features. But once

45:16

you spend those five days learning the basic

45:18

features, it's great. Five

45:23

days learning the basic features that you already have

45:25

on your fucking phone. But now they're

45:27

on your palm from a laser Jason. Unless it's sunny

45:29

and you can't see it. It's the future. Oh great.

45:33

Great. Here's

45:35

another future one. This is gonna be a

45:37

very brief one. New federal bill could require

45:39

disclosure of songs used in AI training. All

45:42

of them. Representative Adam... I'm done.

45:44

Yeah, generative AI Copyright Disclosure Act.

45:46

If passed, it would require AI

45:48

companies to disclose all copyrighted works

45:50

used in training. Everything. Everything we've

45:52

ever done is copyrighted. We already

45:54

know they've sucked in everything on

45:56

YouTube. That's almost all the music

45:58

in the world. I guarantee. to

46:00

you. Done. Yep. I

46:03

got another one in the next segment to tell you about

46:05

too that you're just gonna love. But yeah,

46:07

this is just the yeah, sorry, day late in the

46:09

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48:57

The library. Brian,

49:01

did you get a chance to read The Anxious

49:03

Generation by Jonathan Haidt yet? I

49:05

have started it. I

49:07

have thoughts. Okay, okay. Bring them on.

49:10

All right. Obviously, insanely

49:12

disturbing. I've only gotten like

49:14

the first third of the way in. It's

49:16

a lot of charts and it's all, it's very,

49:20

it leaves little doubt that this is

49:22

the cause. That the cause is our phones

49:25

and high-speed internet and social networks. And they

49:27

are exceedingly bad for kids and

49:29

all of childhood has been ruined by these things

49:31

and we absolutely have to do something. I

49:34

haven't gotten any further than that because I can only read

49:36

it in small chunks because A, really,

49:38

really depressing, and B, I don't

49:42

like his writing style. I don't think he

49:44

has a writing style. He doesn't have a

49:46

writing style. That's the real problem. It is

49:48

so dry. It is like, it reminds me

49:51

of being back in college and doing my

49:53

dual major and the psychology courses and reading

49:56

just endless fucking different

49:58

studies. and

50:00

all that sort of stuff. God, if

50:02

he could actually write. If he could,

50:04

if he could follow, if he, you

50:07

know, we've got Neil deGrasse Tyson, right?

50:09

Like astrophysicist, but communicator. Jonathan

50:11

Haidt is not a communicator. No,

50:13

he needs a co writer. Yeah, he's an

50:16

academic who needs, who needs some some prose

50:18

guidance. Maybe you should put it into chat

50:20

GPT. Maybe because this stuff is fucking important,

50:22

but nobody's gonna read it because it's so

50:24

dry. Yeah. Well, fortunately, a lot of people

50:27

are actually reading it, which is good. I'm

50:29

seeing it all over the place. The one

50:31

thing that, that I wanted to

50:33

touch on because I hadn't finished the book. By

50:36

the time I did my first review, and

50:38

I said, Oh, there's no solutions or anything.

50:40

At least the last third of the book

50:42

is maybe 15%. I wouldn't

50:44

even go as far as a third is

50:47

all dedicated to things we can do. So he does

50:49

throw out a lot of ideas. And some of them

50:51

aren't bad. Some of them actually aren't

50:53

bad that I thought I thought it was just going to be

50:55

like, yeah, that's never going to happen. But he's got some good

50:57

ones in there. So good. I can't wait to get to that

50:59

part in about a year. I was gonna say stick it out.

51:02

That's why I like the audio version of this

51:04

because I could to exit and it gets rid

51:06

of the dryness. But otherwise, yeah, it's basically it

51:08

reads like a very long academic paper. Yep.

51:11

So into just kind

51:14

of scrub my mind from that I actually

51:16

went back and started re listening to the

51:18

book wool by you Howie, which was you

51:20

know, silo was based on on Apple TV

51:22

plus. Yeah. And because

51:24

you had mentioned how close it was, how

51:26

close the series was to the book. And

51:29

I was like, wow, I can't really remember the book. I remember

51:31

they were in a big tube. Remember, there's a bunch of

51:34

people at a big tube. So

51:37

I went back and I started reading it. And holy

51:39

shit, it is basically the script. Did

51:42

a show. They actually adapted something and did

51:44

it right. Exactly. Yeah. I'm impressed.

51:46

But I'm gonna actually finish it because

51:48

it's a it's a very good one.

51:51

The issue I had was I got it so

51:53

long ago, that if I

51:55

go start I go to audible, and I just

51:57

go to wool and try and buy it or

51:59

the silos series, you can't buy the

52:01

copy I have anymore. I actually have to dig

52:04

into my library, go back and search for it

52:06

to find the version that I paid for because

52:08

they've really done it. This is

52:10

one of those weird things where he self-published

52:12

at first and then multiple editions came out

52:14

and then there was something called the omnibus

52:16

and then they were split up and then

52:18

they were put back together again and then

52:21

he signed with an actual publisher so then

52:23

they were all re-released again and it's all

52:25

incredibly confusing. Yes,

52:27

I think I got the version that he released,

52:30

which is really good. I mean it's really

52:33

well written. I mean well spoken, the actress

52:35

who did the book is fantastic. But the

52:37

interesting thing is when I tried to find

52:39

the link to put it in the

52:42

show notes here, I searched

52:45

for Wulle Audible. Now I don't know

52:47

if you remember Brian, but I'm using

52:49

the Kagi search engine now. That's

52:52

right. And the first two videos, it

52:54

gives me a link at the

52:56

top to go straight to the Audible listing and

52:58

right underneath it, it says two videos on YouTube.

53:01

Wulle audiobook full, two of

53:04

them on YouTube. So I

53:07

could just go listen to the book for free

53:09

on YouTube, which is, and they're

53:11

not hiding, they've been there for years and

53:14

together they've got over a hundred thousand

53:16

views. And

53:19

nobody has decided to go take those down

53:21

for some reason. I don't know why. I

53:24

just thought that was very interesting. So nothing

53:26

more than that, but it's

53:29

like you can't get around

53:31

people stealing your shit anymore. No, you really

53:33

can't. But I got to

53:35

say, I got to say, just a quick

53:37

touch back on that. The Kagi search engine,

53:39

I'm loving that. It's

53:42

a little bit slower to return results, like by

53:44

a quarter of a second, I can tell there's

53:46

a definite lag while it goes back out to

53:48

its search providers to grab the

53:50

results and shove them into a page. But

53:53

it's worth it because I don't spend time

53:56

scrolling. The actual results that I'm looking for

53:59

are, I'd say, nine. 90% of the time

54:01

above the fold. All right, that's good.

54:03

No ads at all. Well, if

54:05

you're paying for it, there better not be. Exactly.

54:08

So far it's worth it just on the time saving and

54:11

the fact that I could have saved myself 20 bucks if

54:13

I'd have seen search for the audio book that I was

54:15

looking for, I wouldn't have had to give the money to

54:17

Amazon. I just stole it from

54:19

YouTube. All right. Oh, and

54:21

now that's... But here, since it's on YouTube, you

54:24

know it's in chat GPT. Yes, it is. It's

54:26

sold from there. Yeah. It's

54:28

a chat GPT thinks we live in giant tubes now. Woo,

54:31

with no eclipses. Yes. I

54:33

also needed something to read as a break from the

54:35

anxious generation just because, you know, we can't just sit

54:37

there and curl up with a good old anxious generation

54:39

at night. So I went to

54:42

one of my old reliable, what we call

54:44

shitter shy sci-fi authors, A.G.

54:46

Riddle. He's got one out called Lost

54:48

in Time that I had not read before. Yeah,

54:52

don't read this one. He's got some

54:55

good ones. This one was horrific. All

54:57

right. As far

54:59

as the shitter sci-fi goes, this one should just be used

55:01

as the teepee? Yes, it should. If you

55:03

have a physical copy of this book and you run out

55:05

of toilet paper, this is the one to use. The

55:08

Dark Side. Ha! With Dave? Welcome

55:15

to The Dark Side with Dave, with

55:18

podcast super host Dave Bittner. Dave

55:20

is the host of the CyberWire Podcast for

55:22

all your cybersecurity news, the co-host of Hacking

55:24

Humans with Joe Kerrigan discussing how humans are

55:27

mean, and the co-host of Caveat with Ben

55:29

Yellen because people are nosy. Oh yeah, and

55:31

the host of Control Loop because industrial machines

55:33

have feelings too. Any more shows, Dave? Are

55:35

we, uh, we top off for the week?

55:37

Yeah, that about covers it, yeah. Okay,

55:40

okay. Making sure. It's been a while since

55:42

I asked. No, it's enough. It's enough. All

55:44

right. It's enough. Plenty. You

55:47

got an hour or two of sure. You can squeeze in one more,

55:49

Dave, I'm sure. Sure. Why

55:52

not? Yeah. Well,

55:54

if everybody's not listening to any of Dave's

55:56

new shows, check out shmactors.com for the best.

55:58

Wow. is promos. I

56:00

had to get one in there. I had to get

56:02

one in there. What is

56:04

Schmakters? Do I dare ask? Schmakters

56:07

is a new show I do

56:09

with James Marsters of Buffy the

56:11

Vampire Slayer fame and Mark Devine

56:13

of Sex and the City fame.

56:16

Oh wow. Couple actors who answered

56:18

fan questions. Oh Schmakters, got it.

56:20

Yeah. Okay. Schmakters. Are you co-hosting

56:22

the show or just behind the scenes? I am

56:24

mildly on their

56:26

talent. I do the intro and

56:28

the outro and I read the questions and chime in

56:31

every now and again with a delightful quip. Make

56:34

sure you listen to my new show

56:36

with Dave Bittner called Schmakasters. I

56:39

think Kevin Smith has that one locked

56:42

down. Yeah. It's spectacular. Oh my.

56:46

I want to kick

56:49

off here with something that came across my

56:52

feeds and tickled my fancy.

56:55

Someone set the MIT open source license

56:57

to music and

57:02

it's pretty damn good. So

57:04

the backstory here is there is... Uno. Uno.ai.

57:07

There you go. Okay. So

57:10

you're familiar. Oh yeah. I'm

57:12

familiar. There's this

57:14

tool called Suno which is

57:16

an AI engine for

57:18

generating music and

57:21

it is hilarious.

57:23

It is hilarious

57:25

if you're not a musician. In

57:28

which case it is fair point. Fair

57:30

point. Fair point. I think

57:32

it's hilarious in that you can give it any

57:35

ridiculous prompt and

57:38

in mere moments you will have a

57:41

beautifully rendered piece of music that

57:44

reflects with great earnestness

57:47

the ridiculous prompt that you gave it. I

57:51

asked it to write a

57:53

song about an 80s pop

57:55

song about the Embarrassment

57:58

of going to the prom with... Pimples

58:00

on his base and it did it.

58:02

There are a guy in nam honor

58:05

of my tagging Humans Coast Go Kerrigan.

58:07

I asked to write me a heavy

58:09

metal and some about a guy named

58:11

Joe who hates everything and it did

58:14

it. And Joe loves it. So. Anyway,

58:17

this was brought to my attention

58:20

because someone took the Mit Open

58:22

Source license and had day breathy,

58:25

soulful, A. Woman's voice set

58:27

to sad piano music. That.

58:29

Very good. It's pretty good. like

58:31

I will. I was into it

58:34

more than once. You're.

58:37

In will add that at the end of

58:39

the show because I'm pretty sure you can't

58:42

copyright it for that. Our that was my

58:44

next point is that isn't as interesting actually

58:46

Me this point over on the Cyber Wire

58:48

daily podcast that I'm. right?

58:51

Now as it stands, current

58:53

interpretation of copyright law is

58:56

that things generated by artificial

58:58

intelligence are not eligible for

59:01

copyright. Ah, So.

59:04

The case I made on cyber wire was what happens

59:06

if I go to one of these engines and I

59:08

say. Make. Me a new

59:10

David Bowie album. Say.

59:13

The stuff he did before. let's dance.

59:15

Input. That make me a new

59:18

David Bowie album. Ah. I'm

59:20

I don't think we're that far from that

59:22

being a reality and it actually being a

59:25

good David Bowie album, I think that's already

59:27

there. This is a disco you know I

59:29

was having with Jason. They put guard rails

59:31

on the see, couldn't input artist names directly.

59:34

right? I'm a nationwide a

59:36

be own a gun or ended up

59:38

there is a up right? right? Yeah!

59:41

Yeah, I think it's already there. like it's

59:43

not perfect yet, but it's there. And then

59:45

the one thing that you can do and

59:47

we're getting back into. like. I mean, I

59:49

remember having these discussions, you know, thirty years

59:51

ago when we were first getting into web

59:53

design. Okay, so if I take this artwork

59:56

here and I make seven to eight different

59:58

changes to it, than it's know, Longer copy

1:00:00

written so if I download one of these

1:00:02

sooner way I songs and I stifled spindle

1:00:05

and manipulated and I bring it into grudge

1:00:07

manner. I bring into pro tools and the

1:00:09

ads and stuff like shop and paste move

1:00:11

it around Now I can copyright. Well.

1:00:14

That's that's that was gonna be my

1:00:16

next question. Yeah, how much do you

1:00:19

have to add to something that is

1:00:21

and copyrightable to make it copyrightable? Yeah,

1:00:23

we don't know yet and we don't

1:00:25

have that answer yet either. Young.

1:00:28

And what if you are the A

1:00:30

of David Bowie and I share this

1:00:32

album which is not eligible for copyright.

1:00:36

What Do you? sue me for? infringing.

1:00:39

Yeah. Well, a million dollar

1:00:41

question right now, right? Movements via.

1:00:44

I'm a diabetic might wife is at

1:00:46

a table, a virtual table, discussing these

1:00:48

sorts of things daily. New.

1:00:51

The I know what if I if I. If I

1:00:53

call it a parody that brings in

1:00:55

a whole nother level of protection against

1:00:58

someone coming after me. Is

1:01:00

are interesting times and I really think

1:01:02

it's gonna be. A.

1:01:04

Wild Ride as we figure these things out.

1:01:07

Them And if you're interested in these sorts

1:01:09

of things you should listen to caveat or

1:01:11

mean, am I a pencil and Yellen discuss

1:01:13

these sort of policy issues every week. That's

1:01:15

caviar wherever you get your podcast. And don't

1:01:17

forget, Smacked Her is where they don't Fuck

1:01:19

not. that said it all up at. Least

1:01:23

I wonder I wonder if these things

1:01:25

know pig latin so you could die

1:01:27

but they but the arden name and

1:01:29

pig latin and have it translated so

1:01:31

you're not actually using the artist's name

1:01:34

by that's they work around and I

1:01:36

was thinking about said to my grandmother

1:01:38

likes us solo artist me well if.

1:01:41

One of the things I I tried to do

1:01:43

with his oh so how I ran into the

1:01:45

guard rails. Was. that i asked it

1:01:47

to create a a moody a serial peace

1:01:50

in the style of peter gabriel rak an

1:01:52

ad right well that's when i found out

1:01:54

it said out no use an artist named

1:01:56

can't do that but that was it with

1:01:59

eighty's pop And then there you go. Well,

1:02:02

how precisely can

1:02:04

I describe an artist

1:02:06

so that... Without using the

1:02:09

name. Without using the name so that they

1:02:11

are the only choice for what

1:02:13

the engine can generate. That

1:02:15

would be an interesting exercise for

1:02:18

someone who's not me. Yeah, for

1:02:20

someone who has said the time. Yeah.

1:02:22

Write me a song in the style of

1:02:25

a solo artist whose name may or may

1:02:27

not be related to bees and was once

1:02:29

in a group of threesome that might have

1:02:31

been called Cops. Yeah,

1:02:34

interesting. That

1:02:38

rhymes with... It rhymes with bling.

1:02:41

Yeah. Okay. So

1:02:46

we'll have a link to that in the show notes. I'm

1:02:49

warning you, this is a rabbit hole. Oh,

1:02:51

yeah. It is. It is. It

1:02:54

is a total rabbit hole. I am just about out of

1:02:56

my free credits and I'm not sure what's going to happen

1:02:58

after that. Oh, I blew through mine

1:03:00

real quick. I signed up already. Oh, okay. Oh,

1:03:03

good. We're going to send you our prompts to

1:03:05

test that. You guys sent me all your stable

1:03:08

diffusion ones before, so my

1:03:10

turn. Yeah. There you

1:03:12

go. There you go. I did the Apple Vision Pro

1:03:14

demo this week. Ooh. Please tell

1:03:17

me I did inside and not in public. Yeah.

1:03:20

Have either of you guys done this? No. I

1:03:23

don't leave the house. I'm going to get one. Okay.

1:03:26

So I made an appointment at my local

1:03:28

Apple store and I went in and sat

1:03:30

down and was greeted and I

1:03:33

went through the entire demo and let

1:03:36

me tell you, it is very impressive.

1:03:39

Okay. So I've been

1:03:42

trying to think of a way to

1:03:44

describe what this experience is like because

1:03:47

we've all had the experience

1:03:50

with headsets, with the goggles.

1:03:53

Yes. They've been around for

1:03:55

decades. This is something

1:03:59

else. Imagine

1:04:04

– remember

1:04:07

what it was like the first time you

1:04:09

went and saw an IMAX movie. Are

1:04:12

we talking old school IMAX with

1:04:14

a dish? We're talking real IMAX.

1:04:17

Science Museum IMAX. Yeah, laying back

1:04:19

and looking up at the cycle.

1:04:22

Right. My recollection is

1:04:24

the first time you go to

1:04:26

an IMAX movie, or even

1:04:28

if you go to an IMAX movie that's

1:04:30

full of first timers, when

1:04:33

they put the first big impressive thing

1:04:35

on the screen, there's an

1:04:37

audible gasp from the

1:04:39

audience because they go, because

1:04:42

it's something that you have never

1:04:44

experienced before. I still remember that.

1:04:47

I remember that. Just

1:04:49

a quick tangent. What was yours? Your

1:04:53

first IMAX moment? To

1:04:55

fly at the Air & Space

1:04:57

Museum in Washington, DC. The one that

1:04:59

I remember is when they opened the shuttle

1:05:01

doors in the Cardinal Bay. Yes. And

1:05:04

everybody grabbed the armrest because it felt like you were

1:05:06

going to start falling. Right.

1:05:09

Brian? Mine

1:05:11

was at Disneyland. They had the big IMAX

1:05:13

theater, and it was an

1:05:15

American patriotic bullshit where they

1:05:17

did – flew waves of

1:05:19

grain in Purple Mountains' majesty and all that

1:05:21

sort of stuff. Yes. The circle

1:05:24

vision type thing. Yeah, circle vision. Yeah. It's

1:05:26

very much like that as well. So

1:05:29

part of the point I'm trying

1:05:31

to make here is that if you have

1:05:33

not seen an IMAX movie before, I can describe

1:05:36

it to you. I can tell you. I

1:05:38

can say, oh, it's like a movie, but it's

1:05:40

bigger. Oh, it's like a movie,

1:05:42

but it wraps around your field of view. It's

1:05:44

got better sound, and it's sharper. And you'll go,

1:05:47

oh, that's cool. But then you go to the

1:05:49

IMAX movie, and the screen pops up, and you

1:05:51

go, holy

1:05:53

shit. Right. That

1:05:56

was my experience with Apple Vision Pro. Okay.

1:05:58

All right. It

1:06:01

is just so far beyond anything

1:06:03

I've ever experienced with something like

1:06:06

this. I

1:06:08

left the demo feeling

1:06:10

as though I had just been on a theme park

1:06:12

ride. I had that kind of, my

1:06:16

senses, yeah, I was amped up.

1:06:18

My senses were a little bit

1:06:20

scrambled because I wasn't sure what

1:06:23

just happened. In the

1:06:25

20-minute demo, it all comes at you so

1:06:27

fast. Part of the reason they do

1:06:29

the demo is to overwhelm you into buying

1:06:31

the thing. I was going to

1:06:33

say, you're left with a sense of awe and

1:06:35

wonderment, but not with an application pro. No,

1:06:39

no. Well, that's the question, Dave. Do you

1:06:41

think it's worth the cost? No,

1:06:45

I do not. Not for me. But

1:06:49

I can see how it could be very

1:06:51

compelling, and I think it is a look

1:06:53

into the future. Now

1:06:55

a couple of other points here. I

1:06:59

included, I copy and pasted into

1:07:02

our show notes this sort of famous

1:07:04

gif of

1:07:06

jumping rope power

1:07:09

powers with power lines, and there's one that's like

1:07:11

jumping rope in between the other ones. Are

1:07:14

you guys familiar with this? Yes, classic. Yeah, classic.

1:07:17

All right. The thing about this gif is

1:07:19

that some people can hear the thumping

1:07:22

of the power when it hits the

1:07:24

ground, even though it's a gif, and

1:07:26

gifs have no sound. There's

1:07:28

no audio in a gif, but some people can hear it. Part

1:07:32

of the Apple Vision Pro

1:07:35

demo is there's

1:07:37

a part where a butterfly flies

1:07:39

toward you, and you put

1:07:42

your finger out, and the butterfly lands on

1:07:44

your finger, and

1:07:47

then the butterfly takes off. When the

1:07:49

butterfly took off, I felt

1:07:51

the butterfly on my finger. I

1:07:54

felt the butterfly pushing

1:07:56

off from my finger.

1:08:00

in the data. Yeah. Right, which is impossible,

1:08:02

right? There's no butterfly. But

1:08:05

I felt it. And

1:08:07

my jaw just went,

1:08:10

dong, dong, dong, dong, dong, dong,

1:08:12

dong. Because time

1:08:14

and time again throughout this demo, I

1:08:16

just felt like this

1:08:19

is so far beyond my

1:08:21

expectations. When you do, when

1:08:23

you put yourself in what I would describe

1:08:25

as multi-monitor mode, this is the mode where

1:08:27

you would be using Apple Vision Pro to

1:08:30

do work. So you have,

1:08:32

let's say you have three, the equivalent

1:08:34

of three monitors around you, and you can turn

1:08:36

your head and you can look at them and

1:08:39

manipulate them. They look

1:08:41

like they're there. It is so

1:08:43

high resolution and so compelling. And

1:08:45

there's no lag when you move

1:08:48

your head around that you're

1:08:51

convinced they're there. You

1:08:53

want to reach out and touch them. And of course, your

1:08:55

hand goes right through them. But it's,

1:08:59

you know, all I

1:09:01

can say is I highly recommend that

1:09:03

you make an appointment, go

1:09:06

to your Apple Store, sit through the 20

1:09:08

minute demo. Because

1:09:12

there's no way that I can describe

1:09:14

to you what it feels like. And

1:09:17

I think it is something special here. I was

1:09:21

trying to think of like what, under

1:09:23

what circumstances would I think that

1:09:25

this was worth investing in? Because

1:09:32

I've always been a like a home theater nerd

1:09:36

guy. You know, like I was building home theaters,

1:09:38

you know, when it was still pretty new. And,

1:09:40

you know, you were hot stuff. If you got

1:09:42

yourself a Dolby surround receiver and you know, put

1:09:44

the speakers in the back of the room, right

1:09:47

back of the room, listen to that. And I

1:09:49

had 32 inch television

1:09:51

CRT, you know, five guys had to haul

1:09:53

in because it was so damn heavy. But

1:09:57

then when HD came along,

1:10:00

Like that was a real well I guess

1:10:02

first DVDs and then HD came along and

1:10:04

that was for me was a really compelling

1:10:07

reason to upgrade my home theater And

1:10:10

I do have a pretty elaborate home theater

1:10:12

and in our house now with a projector

1:10:14

and all that kind of stuff and

1:10:18

So part of the demo is you

1:10:20

watch some of the Mario movie? in

1:10:23

3d and they put you in

1:10:26

a movie theater environment as if you're sitting in

1:10:28

the cinema and that was another

1:10:30

moment where my jaw dropped because I Felt

1:10:33

like I was in a cinema. I Really

1:10:35

believed I was sitting in a cinema watching

1:10:37

this movie by myself Did they pipe in

1:10:39

the smell of somebody who brought in their

1:10:42

own fucking spaghetti? a

1:10:44

tuna fish sandwich There's

1:10:47

somebody crinkling a potato chip bag behind you and

1:10:49

some kid getting the back of your seat the

1:10:52

whole movie Yeah, what is that? I felt the

1:10:54

gum on my shoe and I lifted up it

1:10:56

was still stuck to the floor Right,

1:10:58

right. I could hear the subwoofers booming

1:11:00

from the theater next door By

1:11:04

the way, it's another thing about this

1:11:06

is the audio is amazing like for

1:11:08

a System that doesn't shove

1:11:11

anything inside your ears or put anything

1:11:13

over top of your ears It's

1:11:16

completely compelling. Do you think you

1:11:19

you again you think you're in the environments?

1:11:23

It was just remarkable technology

1:11:26

so Again, bottom line.

1:11:28

It's totally worth your time to go

1:11:30

to your local. I almost said your

1:11:32

local Radio Shack your local Apple store

1:11:36

Yeah, oh man Your

1:11:39

local Apple store make an

1:11:42

appointment and check this thing out. Let me

1:11:44

just ask you again another kind of more

1:11:46

practical Remove ourselves from

1:11:48

the fantasy here. You're wearing

1:11:50

it for what about 20-minute demo, right?

1:11:52

Right What do you think you

1:11:54

would feel like if you had that on two hours?

1:11:59

Exhausted If

1:12:01

it was two hours of what I

1:12:03

was experiencing in the demo, which is

1:12:05

one thing after another, just to try

1:12:07

to overwhelm you. No, more like a

1:12:09

feel on your head. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:13

It would feel prohibitive that way. I

1:12:16

felt pressure on the tops of my

1:12:18

cheekbones. It

1:12:20

was not bad. I wouldn't say

1:12:22

my sense was that it was particularly heavy,

1:12:24

but I did know it was there.

1:12:26

Yeah. It

1:12:31

does, it disappears from

1:12:33

your visual senses. It is

1:12:35

completely compelling. It is

1:12:38

so high resolution that, and

1:12:41

the fact that there's no lag means

1:12:43

you're not dealing with motion sickness issues. I

1:12:47

did notice, being the old video

1:12:49

nerd that I am, that at

1:12:51

the very edges of the image,

1:12:53

there's some chromatic aberration, which

1:12:56

is where you get a little

1:12:58

color bleeding from the lenses. That's

1:13:00

just physics. Well,

1:13:04

there's a German guy that might write in and tell us we're

1:13:06

wrong about that. You

1:13:10

have a paladin looking like before. Let

1:13:12

me explain. The other thing,

1:13:14

when you're looking through it, so

1:13:17

I'm sitting in this Apple store, and

1:13:20

it's in the mode where you're looking through the

1:13:22

goggles, and you think you're

1:13:24

looking through goggles, even though what you're seeing is a video

1:13:26

feed. Right. In

1:13:31

my mind, this is an incredibly compelling

1:13:34

technology demo, and

1:13:36

I can't wait for the coming

1:13:39

versions when this is cheaper

1:13:41

and more accessible and

1:13:43

lighter weight, and all of

1:13:45

those things that eventually it's going to be if Apple

1:13:49

sticks with this or someone else sticks with

1:13:51

this. By the

1:13:53

way, I think this is just the kind of

1:13:55

thing that Apple does best. Oh,

1:13:58

yeah. They'll keep doing this. They're not going to do it. going to drop

1:14:00

this? I hope not. I

1:14:02

hope not. Yeah. I

1:14:05

walked away feeling like I'd just been to

1:14:07

a theme park that I'd had some, like

1:14:09

it was one of those Circle

1:14:11

Vision movies at Epcot, and I

1:14:13

was exhilarated and

1:14:16

a little tired, a little overwhelmed

1:14:18

trying to process all the stuff

1:14:20

that had come at me. It's

1:14:24

not something that I'm going to buy

1:14:26

anytime soon. It's not worth

1:14:29

that much money to me, but

1:14:31

if it were $1,000, I'd probably consider it. One

1:14:36

of the things that is making me pause- I mean,

1:14:38

our phones are $1,000 now. Right.

1:14:42

Yes. But I think the

1:14:44

fact that this is something

1:14:46

that you can only experience on your

1:14:48

own. In other words,

1:14:51

it's not like investing in a home theater where

1:14:53

the whole family sits down and enjoys it together.

1:14:56

This is a solitary exercise. I mean,

1:14:58

yes, other people can join you if

1:15:00

they have them. Right.

1:15:02

Right. But I'm not fighting them for the

1:15:04

whole family. I

1:15:08

think that's part of it. I don't

1:15:10

want to say it's antisocial, but

1:15:12

it's non-social by design, which

1:15:14

sometimes can be a good thing if you're doing

1:15:16

work and you want to be in your own

1:15:18

world, literally in your own world, you

1:15:21

can do that with this. I did

1:15:23

read a great article this week about a couple that

1:15:25

does make their own homemade porn with them. That

1:15:29

is definitely not an antisocial event. No.

1:15:32

No. No. Three

1:15:35

in the crowd, though. Yeah, that's right.

1:15:37

We're not. Yeah. No,

1:15:42

it's definitely interesting. I'm definitely looking forward

1:15:44

to trying one, but I don't-

1:15:47

see, I would go, I would do the demo and then

1:15:49

I would feel sad when I left because I don't have

1:15:51

enough money to take one home with me. So it's just

1:15:53

like going to a titty bar and

1:15:55

I think I'll just skip it. Just

1:15:57

wait. way

1:16:00

to fit. I'm

1:16:02

definitely curious now. I just got to figure

1:16:04

out Apple Store isn't

1:16:06

close to me so it's gonna be an

1:16:08

event for me to do this but I'll

1:16:10

do it. I'm gonna do it. I think

1:16:12

as people who have spent as much time

1:16:14

and have as much history with the march

1:16:16

of technology as the three of us have,

1:16:20

I will gently twist your arms

1:16:22

and say you owe it to

1:16:24

yourself to experience this because it

1:16:26

is a very special

1:16:28

thing that is different

1:16:31

from other things. It's not just, oh

1:16:33

this is a better headset. Like, it

1:16:36

is that but it's also its own

1:16:39

thing. Okay I have a question for

1:16:41

you because you wear glasses and so do I. Did you

1:16:43

have to send them your prescription when you set up the

1:16:46

appointment or did they just check that

1:16:48

when you got there? You go there

1:16:50

and you hand them your glasses and

1:16:52

sitting right out there in the Apple Store is

1:16:54

this little Zeiss machine that

1:16:57

scans your glasses for

1:17:00

whatever prescription it is and

1:17:03

then they put the inserts

1:17:05

into the Apple Vision

1:17:07

Pro and the

1:17:10

first thing yeah it is cool and then the first

1:17:12

thing that it does is it

1:17:14

calibrates to your eyeballs which is also

1:17:18

pretty cool. The lenses move

1:17:20

around in there and you

1:17:22

know they look at this look at this look at

1:17:24

this look at this and it because it's tracking your

1:17:26

eye movement the whole time you that's your pointing device

1:17:28

is what you're looking at and

1:17:30

not if you're looking at

1:17:32

VR porn baby. We see

1:17:34

what the value proposition is

1:17:39

Jason has one use for such a device.

1:17:41

That's right. I have a particular set of

1:17:43

skills. The

1:17:45

yeah officer how

1:17:47

did we find him? Well he

1:17:50

was passed out. You know

1:17:52

how there was always that rule about you want to make

1:17:55

sure that your monitor is facing a way from the doorway

1:17:57

coming in. Jason is gonna have to start locking doors. What

1:18:00

do you mean start? Yeah,

1:18:04

yeah, so do if just to

1:18:06

you guys to our listeners I

1:18:10

You know again, this is like somebody describing an

1:18:13

IMAX movie if you've never seen one I know

1:18:15

I'm going on and on about this and you're

1:18:17

probably like, oh how good could it be? Trust

1:18:19

me? All right,

1:18:21

something special My

1:18:23

hands in an Apple store about half a mile away, so

1:18:25

I think I might have to take you up on that

1:18:27

There you go. You're gonna beat me. Yep, definitely Come

1:18:31

on Brian all the cool kids are doing it. I will

1:18:36

That's why God invented credit cards come

1:18:38

on come to my house and do the

1:18:40

demo I do I Really

1:18:44

make them to the hurry You

1:18:46

have to don't sell enough of me might just

1:18:48

start doing that Mm-hmm the one thing that I

1:18:50

have heard from people who kept theirs and didn't

1:18:52

return them was that Media

1:18:54

watching is the you know, that's

1:18:56

the killer app watching movies on it Yeah,

1:19:00

I know I think I would love to see

1:19:03

Somebody figure out how

1:19:05

to do sports with this, you know to sit it.

1:19:08

Yeah, sit it mid-court at a basketball game Would

1:19:11

be unbelievable, right? Just unbelievable sure they're

1:19:13

working on it. Wait, no, no apples got the

1:19:15

deal with MLS So it's gonna say did you

1:19:17

get to see the MLS video? Did they play

1:19:19

any of that for you? Yes Was

1:19:21

it any good because that's yours? Yes, they

1:19:23

had there was a little clip of Soccer

1:19:26

there was a little clip of baseball All

1:19:31

kinds of different things but they're they're

1:19:34

breathtaking they're just taking Damn

1:19:37

it and I'm buying one of these Maybe

1:19:41

we could all pitch in and share one and we

1:19:43

can ship it to each other like Of

1:19:46

course whoever got it after Jason who'd be all stick.

1:19:48

Oh boy Like

1:19:51

why are their ears glued to this thing? There's

1:19:55

fur all over it Alright,

1:20:00

with that... Alright, yeah. I think we've covered

1:20:02

it. Yeah, I think so. I think we've

1:20:04

covered it. Yeah, I think so. Housing shout out!

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Over at Patreon, we've got Conrad.

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Welcome to the club, Conrad. Thank

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you. Over at PayPal, we've got Ralph, Miles,

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don't forget, hi, Rez. And

1:20:31

we have a new five-star review. Amazing. I started to

1:20:33

listen to you a few years ago, and I've loved

1:20:35

the show ever since. I recently listened to your first

1:20:37

episode, and still funny and informative, but very different. The

1:20:40

quality has definitely improved. You've done good work. Yeah, no,

1:20:42

sure. Yeah, well, so has the alcohol

1:20:44

consumption during recording. That probably helps quite a bit,

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too. Yeah, that has gone down.

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The quality has gone up. There's an inverse ratio

1:20:51

there, for sure. So

1:20:53

some sad news. I missed this one. This

1:20:55

happened like two, three weeks ago. But now

1:20:57

Daniel Kahneman, the author of

1:20:59

Thinking Fast and Slow, has died. He

1:21:02

was a Nobel Prize-winning psychologist.

1:21:06

And I don't know if you've ever

1:21:08

read the thinking. I mean, you were a- My muthab.

1:21:10

... major. So, you know. Yeah,

1:21:13

Thinking Fast and Slow was definitely one of those. And

1:21:15

there's a lot of stuff in that book that does

1:21:18

not hold up. There are some things

1:21:20

that have definitely been debunked since then. But

1:21:22

it was- He started off

1:21:25

a whole subgenre of

1:21:27

psychology and economics together.

1:21:29

And he was a good guy. I think

1:21:32

I did like three shows with him, three interviews with

1:21:34

him. And he was a very nice guy. Very

1:21:36

nice guy. Made it to 90. Yeah,

1:21:39

and a Nobel Prize winner, so not bad.

1:21:41

Yep. And a big happy birthday today.

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