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Old Geeks, a weekly talk show hosted

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by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFilippo discussing

0:27

the finer points of what went wrong

0:29

on the internet and who's to blame.

0:36

Welcome to Grumpy Old Geeks, I'm Jason DeFilippo.

0:39

And I'm Brian Schulmeister. Brian, we've been

0:41

talking lately about things that have anniversaries that make

0:43

us feel old. So

0:46

I thought I'd start off the show today.

0:48

Gmail is 20 years old this

0:50

week. Okay. I

0:52

remember when it was launched, it was April

0:54

1st, 2004 and everybody thought it was

0:56

a joke. No, jokes on

0:58

them. Still using it. Yeah,

1:01

yep. Completely free and as long as you give

1:03

up all your privacy and let them scan your

1:05

email. Sure. Hey, it's

1:07

actually been worth it. So there

1:10

are no ads and no spam. So it works

1:12

for me. That's true.

1:15

That is good. Except, yeah, it used to be free

1:17

and now it's, I think I'm spending 60

1:19

bucks a month on it. So... Okay,

1:21

that's significantly not free. No, no. That

1:25

whole grandfathered in thing got de-grandfathered

1:27

quite a while ago. So as

1:30

of a couple months ago, they started to

1:32

send me the bill and it sucks. There's

1:34

been a lot of whacking the grandfathers recently.

1:37

Yeah, there are. It has been.

1:39

Somebody's laying waste of the old folks home,

1:41

I tell you. Yep. But

1:44

it got me thinking, before

1:46

Gmail, the

1:48

email client wars were going on and

1:51

I still fondly remember Eudora. Eudora was

1:53

my weapon of choice. Yeah.

1:56

Yep. I love that program. It

1:58

was so great. It was so great. Great, and

2:00

then it all just went to hell.

2:02

Yeah. But I guess the

2:04

remnants of Udur now live on in Thunderbird.

2:07

I use Thunderbird for a while, but

2:09

on the waning days on my PC,

2:11

I was still a Thunderbird user. Yeah,

2:15

that's the only time I ever... If

2:17

I get a PC and I have to get

2:19

emailed, then I revert back to Thunderbird, because it's

2:22

the only one I know, honestly. I'm

2:24

seriously doubt I know anything about it anymore.

2:26

I wouldn't remember anything. I've been Mac-mailed for

2:28

so long now. Oh, yeah,

2:30

I'm a spark kind of guy. I

2:33

have to use Outlook for work, and that is the

2:35

absolute worst program known to man. I

2:37

feel for your pain. I feel for

2:39

your pain. Although it does just make

2:42

me want to randomly delete things. So that's

2:44

my work email policy. I

2:48

can't be bothered to sort out the

2:50

shit programs of delete. Delete? Yeah.

2:53

Blame it on Outlook. Another

2:56

one to make you feel old. Facebook

2:58

bought Oculus 10 years ago. Lit

3:02

the world on fire, didn't it? Oh, yeah. That

3:06

VR revolution. We are living in the metaverse, Brian.

3:08

We are living in the metaverse. Yeah. My

3:10

Oculus is collecting dust right next to

3:13

my Google Glasses, right next to my

3:15

Snapchats, whatever the hell they call those

3:17

things. Spectacles. Spectacles. Yeah.

3:20

Yeah, and my $7,000 Apple Vision Pro. Yeah,

3:23

all just sitting there. I

3:25

have two oculi. I've got an

3:28

Oculus One and an Oculus Two. And

3:31

neither one of them I have seen the

3:34

light of day in quite some time. I keep taking out the two

3:36

to charge it because I want to go hang out with some friends

3:38

in whatever game

3:40

that they have going on. And then by the time I'm

3:42

done charging it, I can't figure out how to update it

3:44

because the app doesn't work right because they did that thing

3:47

with the two accounts and I just put it back in

3:49

the box and say, fuck you. Yeah. It's

3:51

kind of how it works. So

3:53

there's been a little discussion going on on our

3:55

Discord. People were talking about various,

3:58

like, why would anybody use text messages? messaging anymore

4:00

when there are these other things that are more

4:02

secure. Nobody talks about Signal.

4:04

Why aren't the grumpy old geeks ever talking about

4:06

Signal? And then people got into

4:08

all sorts of stuff and talking

4:10

about Telegram and all

4:13

the different apps that are out there for messaging and

4:15

the pros and cons of every single one of them.

4:17

And somebody posted this link as

4:20

if some sort of vindication

4:22

for Google Chat. Okay. Because

4:24

Google's not that bad. Google's evil. But

4:27

yeah. So,

4:30

but like, look,

4:32

Google's not that bad. Google says

4:34

it will destroy browsing data collected from Chrome's

4:37

incognito mode. So this is coming out of

4:39

that class action lawsuit over Chrome's tracking of

4:41

incognito users. You know, they tell people, you're

4:43

not going to be tracked. And lo and

4:45

behold, yeah, they were tracked internally. They just,

4:47

you know, didn't let external people

4:50

track directly. Directly. Directly.

4:54

So in 2020, the suit could have required the company

4:56

to pay $5 billion in damages. That's

4:58

significantly more than a $2 per user

5:00

paycheck we would have gotten. But

5:03

instead of that, they've just said they will

5:05

destroy billions of data points that improperly collected

5:07

and updating standard collection disclosures and maintain the

5:09

setting that blocks Chrome's third party cookies by

5:12

default for the next five years. At which

5:14

point it's a free for all again. Yeah.

5:17

Google's great. Now,

5:19

here's the rub with this. Yeah.

5:21

They've been doing this for a long time.

5:24

They've been doing it since 2016. Yeah. You

5:27

think they hadn't sold any of that data yet? Oh,

5:30

so they're going to destroy the data points

5:32

that they've already sold to everybody. I'm

5:35

pretty sure they, here's how they

5:37

did it. I think this is an

5:39

arm length, arm's length transaction because they,

5:41

they didn't sell the data directly to

5:43

somebody. They used it in their advertising

5:45

product. They used it in AdSense. They

5:47

used it for targeting. They, you know,

5:49

that's how they used it. And that's

5:51

how they monetized it. So

5:54

yeah, nobody cares what you were browsing for in 2017

5:56

now because the advertisers from back

5:59

then are gone. So we need new data points.

6:01

So it's useless data anyway. So for them this

6:03

is just you know This is

6:05

bullshit for us. I mean those advertisers

6:08

are gone Isn't it aren't all those

6:10

mattresses people still advertising on podcasts? No,

6:12

they're not I

6:15

don't know if you've noticed but all those mattresses

6:18

that they were selling didn't really they don't have

6:20

the longevity that they promised So

6:22

as far as I know everybody is getting rid of

6:24

their Casper in their purple and going back to the

6:26

good old Sealy posture pedic I

6:28

love the posture beat it. Oh, I need a new one

6:30

My my ass hits the bottom of

6:33

the bed frame now because all this memory foam

6:35

just remembers my big fat ass Well, that's that's

6:37

the problem when you get when you get to

6:39

our age your posture needs pedic it

6:41

doesn't need some pedicing Please please give me

6:43

the pedic But yeah, I

6:46

can see how they you know for them. This is

6:48

a great deal They don't have to pay out and

6:50

they're just they're freeing up hard drive space for the

6:52

next round. That's right silly

6:54

rabbits So I got

6:56

into this thing this week with a

6:59

a not client who kept bugging me about

7:01

a thing right and God Those are the

7:04

worst. I finally ship those I quit my

7:06

company What over five six

7:08

years ago? And it took me until like

7:10

last year to shake off some

7:12

of those friends and family that hung around forever

7:15

I'm like, I don't code anymore. No,

7:17

I don't either But this

7:20

is a guy who basically it was a client

7:22

who cut out a big deal which made left

7:24

me with this office I can't pay for something.

7:26

It kind of rubs me the wrong way, but

7:28

still writes me asking me for free shit all

7:30

the time Yeah, and so

7:33

he's like, okay Well, I'm gonna have to pay somebody

7:35

if you can't do that not offering to pay me

7:37

mind you to do the job He's like, well, then

7:39

I'm gonna have to pay somebody to do it, right?

7:42

And in this process Ends

7:46

up putting me on an email

7:48

chain with the people that they're paying to do

7:50

this job Who can't figure

7:52

out what a fucking RSS feed is? I

7:55

said they're like I need this data and I'm like, well Here's

7:57

the RSS feed it has all the data and it just pull

7:59

out what you need. And

8:02

so I get an email from obviously a guy in

8:04

India who's you know some kind of virtual assistant that

8:06

goes, well, I pulled this up in my browser and

8:08

said this document has no formatting. And I'm just like,

8:11

oh my God. So wait,

8:13

hold on. Let me get this straight, Jason. Not only

8:15

did you get paid to do the actual work, you

8:18

technically got an unpaid promotion to managing the

8:20

people who are doing the work. Unpaid

8:22

promotion to manage a digital assistant.

8:26

So instead of going back and

8:28

forth and describing them how to parse an RSS

8:31

feed, I said screw it. We live in the

8:33

world of AI. Just to get this shit out

8:35

of my hair and leave me the fuck alone.

8:38

I went to chat GPT and I said, I

8:41

want to parse an RSS feed into an

8:44

XML or an Excel document, use it with

8:46

these two fields. I want the URL in

8:48

the title of the entries.

8:51

So it said, here you go. Here's

8:54

a PHP script to do that. But

8:57

the problem was it had dependencies. And

8:59

I didn't want to deal with dependency.

9:01

So I wrote back and said, rewrite

9:03

that, but without dependencies. Here

9:06

you go. This will save it to

9:08

it. It said this will save it to a

9:10

CSV file, which you can then open in Excel

9:12

instead of having the documents to write a direct

9:15

Excel document. I changed two

9:17

fields. I put in the URL

9:19

of the RSS feed and I put in the

9:22

name of the CSV file, dropped it

9:24

in, opened up my shell

9:26

window, ran it, boom. There's

9:28

my file, pulled it out, emailed it to

9:31

him and said, here, it's a fucking rocket

9:33

science, leave me alone. That

9:36

took 10 minutes to do the

9:38

entire thing from start to finish. You know

9:41

how long that would have taken back in the day? Would

9:44

have taken the better part of the day. Getting

9:48

out and like, where did I put that RSS parser?

9:50

Oh, I got to remember. Go to stack overflow. No,

9:53

I know I have them around here somewhere.

9:55

I'm like, okay, I got to parse the

9:57

DOM. What's that field? Oh, God. You

10:00

know, okay, I got to clean up that input.

10:02

Oh, what if I got to check the C

10:04

data? Oh Jesus. This was literally two

10:07

entries into chat GPT. I got functioning

10:09

code that did the job. Yeah.

10:13

Yeah. By all accounts, it's absolutely great

10:15

for small projects. It's unbelievable. So, and

10:17

big projects are just a bunch of

10:19

small projects. Exactly. That's all a big

10:21

project is. It's a bunch of little

10:23

projects. Oh, what

10:26

a time to be alive, Brian. Not

10:28

if you're a coder. In

10:31

the news. Well,

10:38

I'm continuing on my AI bashing. I, this is my

10:40

thing right now, Jason. This is the, the AI hype

10:42

is not worth the squeeze. And,

10:45

uh, this just keeps on going

10:48

on because people just seem to

10:50

think that AI is everything when it's

10:52

really just a small, tiny little thing

10:54

that doesn't do much and

10:56

the court, the judge, that's readers. That's

10:58

true. It's good for coding. That's what it's good for.

11:01

Uh, what it's not

11:03

good for is presenting evidence or enhancing evidence

11:05

in a murder trial. And thank God the

11:07

judge believes the judge in Washington state has

11:09

blocked video evidence

11:12

that has been AI enhanced from being submitted in

11:14

a triple murder trial. And that's a good thing.

11:17

Given that too many people think applying an AI filter can give them access

11:20

to secret visual data. No,

11:24

that's not what it does. That's not what it does. And

11:27

the judge rightly pointed out that no, AI makes

11:31

things up. That's not

11:33

what we want as evidence. Yeah.

11:36

It gets even better though, because it's not like they

11:38

went all in on like the top of the line

11:41

technologies here or anything. Uh, the

11:43

lawyers basically reportedly using, and

11:45

this is in quotes, experts in creative

11:47

video production who has never worked on

11:49

a criminal case before to also in

11:51

quotes, enhance the video. They

11:54

use Topaz labs, which

11:57

yeah. Yeah. We all have, we all have it.

12:01

I and I would like to do

12:03

you remember back when topaz labs is

12:05

gigapixel AI came out I do I

12:07

do it They remember when

12:09

you were enhancing a city scene and

12:11

they put like Ryan Gosling in every

12:13

window because that's what the AI was

12:15

trained On so Ryan Gosling committed the

12:17

murder to it the three anyways

12:20

Okay. Yeah, so well done

12:22

judge something. I don't say very often Okay,

12:25

Brian in an orgasmic moment for the

12:27

C-suite at uber These

12:29

things are finally coming to fruition for them

12:32

the things that they've dreamed about forever man

12:34

My mayo is extra salty on my sandwich

12:36

today Waymo Self-driving

12:39

cars are delivering uber eats orders

12:41

for the first time in Arizona.

12:44

That's right. Okay, great Uber

12:48

has said from day one. We want to get rid

12:50

of drivers Period we just want

12:52

we want to put ass from point A to

12:54

point B. So get your ass in the car We

12:57

get you there's one or the other. So

12:59

yep. Now we have now we have

13:01

step one We have the food to make your

13:04

ass fatter So you will need more more space

13:06

in that uber later on when it's autonomous Yeah,

13:09

if you live in Phoenix, you can

13:11

now order uber eats

13:14

and a robot car can bring it to you You do

13:16

have the option of having someone come with you, but here's

13:18

the rub so

13:21

The the Waymo they're gonna use their jaguars. So

13:24

you're gonna get your tacos delivered by a jaguar

13:27

Yes Without requiring customers to

13:29

pay a tip Yes,

13:32

so they have any gray poop on So

13:36

no tips is the is the the upsell

13:39

on this right? Yeah, and

13:41

I love this this venture not

13:43

only underscores uber and Waymo's commitment

13:45

to zero emission Transportation but also

13:47

represents a significant step forward in

13:49

the integration of autonomous technology into

13:52

everyday life Zero

13:54

emissions zero tips zero

13:56

humans zero paychecks. That's

13:58

what they're looking for Sounds great. That's

14:01

what we need right now. That's

14:03

just what Uber has always wanted,

14:05

so I'm sure somebody's happy

14:07

over there right now. Well, New York

14:09

City also tried to eliminate some jobs

14:11

where people would help business owners and

14:13

give them information that they need. How's

14:16

that working out? Well, they replaced them

14:18

with an AI chatbot, Jason. Yeah. There's

14:20

been some problems with that. Okay.

14:23

So this chatbot was supposed to help business owners

14:26

access pertinent information, but it's been

14:28

lying. Making shit up. At

14:31

times, even misforming users about actions that are

14:33

against the law, according to a report from

14:35

The Markup. This was co-published

14:37

with local nonprofit newsrooms documented in the

14:40

city, and it includes numerous examples of

14:42

inaccuracies in the chatbots' responses to questions

14:44

relating to housing policies, workers' rights, and

14:47

other topics. This was supposed

14:49

to be a one-stop shop for city services

14:51

and benefits, according to Mayor Adams. And,

14:53

uh, no. But

14:56

they say it's okay. They

14:58

say it's okay, Jason, because first off,

15:01

we let everybody know this is a

15:03

pilot program. Oh, well, that's it.

15:05

AKA, you're the beta testers. Got

15:07

it. For the city, where

15:10

it's giving you legal advice. Yeah. And

15:12

a disclaimer on the website does note

15:14

that it may occasionally produce incorrect, harmful,

15:17

or biased content. Okay,

15:19

there you go. There, there. We wipe our hands clean

15:21

to this. We told you. Yep.

15:24

Mayor Ryan Gosling says... Yeah,

15:29

so, you know, this AI is still working out great for

15:31

people. Perfecto. Not

15:34

working out great for Amazon, though. Well,

15:37

hold on a second. There's a run to that part.

15:40

Yeah, yeah, don't want to bury the lead on

15:42

this. So, Amazon has

15:44

their just walkout technology in its

15:46

fresh grocery stores. No more. They

15:49

tried it. They wanted to get it down.

15:51

So, there was no human interaction for about 50

15:53

in a thousand orders is what they were

15:55

looking for. And well, it turned out to be

15:57

something along the lines of about 700. in

16:00

a thousand. And

16:03

the real buried

16:05

lead on all of this was, Brian, would

16:07

you like to take this one away? Because

16:09

I know you've been chomping at the bit

16:11

for it. AI is people. AI is

16:14

people. Shacking. Yes, most notably, Just Walk

16:16

Out merely presents the illusion of automation

16:19

with Amazon crowing about generative AI and

16:21

the like. Here's where the smoke and

16:23

mirrors come in. While the stores have

16:26

no actual cashiers, there are reportedly over

16:28

1,000 real Ryan Goslings

16:30

in India scanning the camera feeds

16:32

to ensure accurate checkouts. Excellent.

16:36

We said AI is people for a long time.

16:39

Turns out though, we were right again. We

16:44

should have a mechanical Turk, man. It's all mechanical

16:46

Turk. It is, but we should be able to

16:48

sue them for this shit. For what? Because

16:51

they went out of their way

16:53

to crow about how we're using

16:55

generative AI and high-end technologies, you're

16:57

using a fucking webcam. Brian,

17:00

if truth in marketing were illegal,

17:02

I know. Come on. The world would be

17:05

a better place. Yeah, it would. It would,

17:07

except a course would be kind of filled

17:09

up for quite

17:11

a bit. If you can't use AI in court anymore, then

17:14

what are we going to do? I don't know. But

17:17

there's something good going on in California yet again.

17:20

Burning, burning. Is

17:23

it burning, Steve, in the California yet? Not quite. Almost.

17:26

It's raining today, so tomorrow we'll be on

17:28

fire. Burn out quiet quitting

17:30

and strikes. The news and likely your schedule is

17:32

filled with markers that workers are overwhelmed and too

17:34

much is expected of them. There's little regulation in

17:36

the United States to prevent employers from forcing workers

17:39

to be at their desks or on call at

17:41

all hours, but that might soon change. California

17:43

State Assemblyman Matt Haney has introduced AB

17:46

2751, a right to disconnect proposition, according

17:48

to the San Francisco Standard. So basically

17:50

it's going to say your employer has

17:52

to lay out exactly what a person's

17:55

hours are and ensure they aren't required

17:57

to respond to work-related communications while off

17:59

the clock. This is happening over

18:01

in the Europe's and it's probably a

18:03

pretty good idea to have more stringent

18:05

Regulation around this sort of thing now

18:07

how this relates to oh, I don't

18:09

know non hourly employees if you're the

18:11

the salary guy Yeah, we've got

18:13

to figure that out But it wouldn't be

18:16

nice to actually have this codified as we've just seen

18:18

work creep everywhere particularly since work

18:20

from home and the pandemic Who's

18:23

going to enforce it? The

18:26

internet police Yes,

18:28

calling the internet police calling the internet police

18:30

be the army of Ryan Goslings in India

18:36

Yeah, it's a great idea fantastic

18:39

it's a great idea Yeah,

18:41

remember when California said no more

18:43

plastic bags. Yep. Do

18:46

you know what happened Brian? You have to start buying

18:48

the bags plastic bag usage

18:50

in California went through the roof Disposable

18:53

plastic bags because you know what they tried to do

18:56

They tried to make those bags that you

18:58

get it used to be like paper Waffertin

19:00

it checkout for free you had to pay

19:02

ten cents for them So they made very

19:05

thick bags and called them quote unquote reusable,

19:08

but everybody bought said said screw this I'm gonna

19:10

eat the ten cents every time I go grocery

19:12

shopping and then I'm gonna go home and I'm

19:14

gonna throw the bags away, so landfills actually have

19:16

more plastics in them because of

19:19

California's great fucking idea Well,

19:22

it's everywhere by the way, it's not just California

19:24

anymore It's all over Canada as well and let

19:26

me tell you I'm doing my part rather than

19:29

throwing them out and putting them in The landfill

19:31

I now have 7,000 bags in the back of

19:33

my trunk So do

19:35

we all so say we all Brian so

19:37

say we all yeah Good

19:41

good one, California. Good luck. Good

19:43

luck. We're just gonna be a bunch

19:45

of Basically

19:47

AI fixers robot repairmen

19:50

and Plastic

19:52

bag recyclers and it's all I don't know I

19:54

don't know how this is all gonna work out

19:56

and I meant to say on the on the

19:58

the last one about Amazon I found

20:00

a website that I was actually signed up

20:02

for where you can make money fixing

20:05

AI. It's basically

20:07

writing shit for AI. It's

20:10

crazy. It is a mechanical Turk The

20:15

test you have to take to become a

20:17

person that works on the projects is

20:19

over an hour long. What's

20:22

the hour rate? Yeah,

20:24

seriously. It depends on the

20:26

project. Here's the other rub. I checked out a

20:29

couple of these sites. Somebody

20:32

will post a project, give you a bunch of work to

20:34

do. But as the

20:36

project nears completion, a lot of companies are

20:38

just saying, no, this isn't good enough and

20:41

pulling the plug and not paying anybody but

20:43

keeping the work. So

20:45

yeah, they're just fucking over

20:47

everybody. I

20:52

got to stop. I'm getting angry.

20:54

I'm always so happy when we do this

20:56

podcast. I come away from it just full

20:58

of joy at the world. Ebullient Ryan Gosling.

21:00

That's what we are at the end. Just

21:02

ebullient. Apple has

21:05

confirmed that they are laying off about 700 workers. We

21:08

talked about the Apple car project getting shut

21:10

down. So a

21:12

couple hundred from there going

21:14

there, stopping the in-house micro

21:16

LED display research unit. They're

21:19

going to probably offset that to somebody else. Also

21:23

Siri related roles are being scrubbed because,

21:25

you know, fucking Siri, they're going to

21:27

be getting rid of that soon anyway.

21:30

And you know, have

21:32

Tim Cook, GPT, everything's

21:34

great. So we

21:36

found out about these through the warn notices,

21:39

which we talked about. You actually knew about

21:41

already that I didn't know about, but just

21:43

so people know, it stands for worker adjustment

21:45

and retraining notification. They

21:48

are getting adjusted, not retrained. It

21:51

should be called the boot notices because you're

21:53

getting the fucking boot. Well, one

21:55

thing that Apple has been pretty good about is that

21:57

they tend to strike up new projects when they cancel

21:59

old ones. And it has been bubbling out that

22:01

they're going to be working on basically your, your

22:03

Jetsons ask home robots. So what happens with that?

22:05

Yeah, I would love that. I would love an

22:07

Apple Rosie. I wouldn't. You

22:10

need the Apple Rosie Palmer. They

22:12

got to work on that. Zing! You're

22:17

an AT&T guy, right? Yes, I am.

22:19

Did you, were you part of this

22:21

Saturday morning emails and text messages that

22:23

came out saying that 7.6 million

22:26

of their current customers were affected by a recent

22:28

leak in which sensitive data was released on the

22:30

dark web along with 65.4 million former account holders.

22:35

Somehow I dodged that bullet. Wow. Look at

22:37

you. Yeah, lucky I must be lucky.

22:41

You must be, but you

22:43

didn't fear Jason because they're launching a robust

22:45

investigation supported by internal and external cybersecurity experts

22:47

to get to the bottom of this and

22:49

make sure that they don't have to pay

22:51

any money out. Oh, great.

22:55

Looking forward to that. No,

22:58

I somehow got lucky. All

23:01

right. Good for you. If that's the

23:03

only bit of luck I have this week, I guess I'll fucking

23:05

take it. Kind of as a win. I'm counting

23:07

it as a win. Give me the W. Give

23:09

me the W. Now,

23:12

we have been talking about how horrible Elon

23:14

Musk has become over the years and now

23:16

we have quantifiable data that he's horrible. Tesla

23:20

is facing significant brand reputation

23:22

challenges. According to a recent

23:24

survey by market intelligence firm

23:26

Caliber, the survey indicates

23:28

Tesla's quote consideration score has dramatically fallen

23:31

to 31% in February from a high

23:33

of 70% in November 2021. I

23:39

guess the consideration is, would you consider giving

23:41

Elon Musk and Tesla your money? Well,

23:45

no. That's the look. That's

23:47

the. There are bumper stickers that

23:49

are selling really well, saying, sorry,

23:51

bought this before Musk was a

23:54

dick. And people have been putting these

23:56

on their Tesla. I

23:58

have to call. Because

24:00

he has a Model S and

24:02

the license plate used to say

24:04

Elon fan. It's

24:07

probably getting tomatoed. I

24:09

know. Hopefully he got rid of that thing

24:11

by now. I mean, who didn't see this

24:13

coming? Like, we've talked about it. We talked

24:16

about it forever. I sold tons of my

24:18

stock, thank God. I'm glad I did now.

24:21

I kept some because you know what? You know what? We'll

24:23

write this ship, Jason. The

24:25

Cybertruck? No. Tesla CEO

24:27

Ryan Gosling. Yes,

24:29

there we go. Everybody

24:32

loves Ryan Gosling. You put him in there,

24:34

all your PR problems are gone. Just

24:36

replace him. Set him on the

24:39

board. Tell him to shut up and play Tiddlywinks. And

24:41

your problem is solved. Have

24:44

a spine board. No, they can't do

24:46

that. They can't do that. Well,

24:50

this doesn't help either. This

24:52

is a great video of a guy

24:54

taking delivery of his Cybertruck. His $100,000

24:56

Cybertruck gets in it,

24:58

pulls out of the dealership, floors

25:00

it, and it breaks. The

25:04

thing doesn't last. It lasts like a fucking mile.

25:07

He just goes, he's like, whee! And

25:09

then the thing starts flashing red going,

25:11

warning, warning, warning, pull over. You're going

25:13

to explode. I

25:15

was scanning the news right before we started the podcast,

25:17

and I saw an article that was like, if you

25:19

want to know how the Cybertruck is going, just go

25:22

to the automotive forums and find out. Everybody's

25:24

having problems with these things. This is such

25:26

a fucking wet dream of Elon's, and it's

25:28

just such a piece of shit car. Yes,

25:31

it is. Marcus Brownlee,

25:34

MKHB, or whatever his initials are, I

25:36

was watching his review of the Cybertruck,

25:40

and he said something that I thought

25:42

was very interesting. He's like, when

25:44

people see him driving it around, a

25:46

huge amount of people come up to him and say, what

25:48

the hell is that? Most of the

25:51

public outside of us nerds have never

25:53

fucking heard of the Cybertruck. That's

25:56

the crazy part. That's how much of a bubble

25:58

we live in. They're like, what? What the hell

26:00

is that thing? He

26:03

has to explain it to them. Everybody thinks it

26:05

costs more than it did, which is interesting. He

26:09

was talking about the drive-by-wire system because

26:11

there's nothing connecting your steering wheel to

26:13

the wheels, which by the way is

26:15

the problem that the guy had after

26:18

driving a mile and the thing broke

26:20

was the steering was saying, steering problem.

26:23

When you're going fast in a six-ton

26:25

machine, probably good to have the steering

26:27

that works. Be nice. The

26:29

cool thing about it though is that adaptive four-wheel

26:32

steering actually looks pretty cool, but you kind of

26:34

need it because the things are so huge. You

26:37

can't make it around a corner without it, but it

26:39

was an interesting... He had a pretty good review. I only got halfway

26:41

through it and then I'm just like, I'm not wasting any more time

26:44

on the Cybertruck that I'm never going to buy, but

26:46

we'll probably be killed when it

26:48

goes astray driving down Ventura Boulevard and rams

26:50

into my building. Yeah,

26:53

so yeah, Cybertruck not really doing well

26:55

for Tesla right now at

26:57

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Candy. Well,

28:29

I finally finished Better Call Solve last season

28:32

and a chef's kiss. What

28:34

a show. Perfect, wasn't it? What a show.

28:37

Yeah. Yep. Ended

28:39

perfectly. Didn't, I actually wasn't expecting the redemption

28:41

at the end so that was very nice. Yeah. You have a

28:43

high note as it is. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

28:46

So that was very good. I also finished Constellation. Okay.

28:50

Let me, I'm at the penultimate episode. I got

28:52

10 minutes to go and I cannot bring myself

28:54

to press play. I would like

28:56

the seven hours of my life back, please. Okay.

28:59

I'm going to save that last hour then. Don't.

29:03

Don't. Yeah. Even if

29:05

they come back with a second season, which they would have

29:07

to, to have this make any

29:09

fucking semblance of sense, it

29:13

would be so stupid. This

29:15

is 100%. This is

29:17

a Ronald D. Moore. This is a loss. This is,

29:20

let's just do really interesting shit but

29:22

not have an endgame. Okay.

29:24

Make it as cool as possible. Oh

29:27

shit. Now we have to explain it? Fuck

29:29

that. Yep. That's what

29:31

I was feeling. That's what I was feeling. Oh

29:34

well. Yep. Nope. No

29:36

bother. I only wasted seven hours, not eight. Okay. I

29:39

wasted, I went in for the full eight, Jason, and

29:41

I did it for you. I appreciate it. I appreciate

29:43

it. I've been watching

29:45

the regime like I mentioned before and they

29:47

had the penultimate episode this week. I

29:50

don't know if this is going

29:52

to need a second season. I think they're going to kind of

29:54

wrap it up hopefully at the end. It is so weird. Not

29:57

getting enough buzz to get a second season, I think.

30:00

No, and I think they're going to wrap the story, but

30:04

yeah, my roommate and I, we were like, oh, the regime's

30:06

on. I guess we should watch it. That's

30:12

a level of excitement. Must law TV.

30:15

Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

30:18

this ain't NBC on Thursday nights in

30:20

the 80s, man, by any stretch.

30:24

Yeah. Kate

30:27

Winslet's great in it, but the

30:30

whole thing is just like, what am

30:32

I watching? I don't understand.

30:35

Okay. Well, I'll let you

30:37

know how it goes. Let me know if

30:39

it wraps up well, but obviously

30:42

you didn't exactly sell it. If

30:44

it sticks a landing, then it brings it

30:46

all to make sense, but I have a

30:48

feeling it made constellation out. Okay.

30:51

We'll see. I did

30:54

watch the new Roadhouse movie on Amazon

30:56

Prime this week. I

30:58

loved it. Really? I thought

31:00

it was great. Yeah. All I

31:02

saw online was Y. Jake

31:06

Gyllenhaal is fantastic in it. But he's

31:08

no Ryan Gosling. No, he's no Ryan

31:10

Gosling. They should have had Ryan Gosling

31:12

as the baddie because what's his name

31:15

from the UFC is terrible. He

31:17

is comically bad in this. They

31:22

should have just got Yosemite Sam to

31:24

play the part because that's exactly how

31:26

he took it. It's okay. Conor

31:29

McGregor, that's his name. Just so

31:31

over the top dumb, but

31:34

Jake Gyllenhaal saves it. I mean, he's fantastic

31:36

at it. It's

31:38

so hard to watch because there's such a contrast

31:41

between what really good acting looks like and what

31:43

really bad acting looks like. And when you put

31:45

him in the same room, it's like, hmm. There

31:50

is a really terrible CGI

31:53

ladle fight scene at the beginning of the movie, which

31:55

I'm like, oh, God, if that's what this movie is

31:57

going to be like, then I just can't. But

32:00

then it just went into story and it was a

32:02

great story. So I think

32:04

it was better than the original personally.

32:06

So from that, it's

32:09

better than wasting eight hours

32:11

on constellation. Two hours.

32:13

It's a good, good two hour filler movie. All right.

32:17

Well, we started to get some inkling of why

32:19

Jon Stewart was basically fired by Apple for doing

32:21

a show over there outside of the fact that

32:23

nobody was watching it, which is a big part

32:25

of the problem. But he had

32:28

FTC chair Lena Kahn on his weekly daily

32:30

show segment earlier this week. And he started

32:32

to talk a little bit about that. He

32:34

said that Apple asked him not to host

32:36

Kahn on a podcast, which was an extension

32:38

of the problem with Jon Stewart on Apple

32:41

TV Plus show. And

32:46

he also said that Apple basically wouldn't let them

32:49

do a segment on the false promise of AI.

32:51

So yeah, they definitely had a heavy

32:54

editorial hand to which I would say,

32:56

what did you do you think was going to happen

32:59

if you hire Jon Stewart? Exactly.

33:02

That's why you hire Jon Stewart. That would

33:04

be like hiring John Oliver

33:06

and hoping he doesn't make fun of you.

33:09

He's going to. Yeah. That's

33:12

where HBO and

33:14

AT&T and Max got it right by

33:16

letting him just play with it. Yeah.

33:20

Let him rent. That was half the fun of watching the

33:22

show was watching him make fun of AT&T, his corporate

33:25

overlord and then let him. You know, that's

33:27

what that's what good comedy is. That's softening

33:29

your image a little bit. Yes.

33:32

Yes. That could be why he has

33:35

all the Emmys. You know, I saw

33:37

this with a hat tip to Mike Mattia over on

33:39

Discord. I did not know this.

33:42

An executive who worked on the

33:44

three body problem was sentenced to

33:46

death for fatally poisoning the Netflix

33:48

shows producer. Well, it's definitely

33:51

a body problem. When

33:53

she helped bring three body problem, the screens

33:55

died before the series airs because he was

33:57

poisoned in 2020 by Xu Yao who headed

33:59

up a. subsidiary that oversaw adaptations

34:01

of the book. Now more than

34:03

three years later, Shu has been

34:05

given the death sentence. So

34:08

yeah, he poisoned, he poisoned

34:10

Lin and a couple other members of the team

34:12

by basically just, you know, poisoning the food in

34:14

the office. So great. Don't

34:17

eat the bow there. Yeah, no doubt.

34:20

So it's apparently just over, over business.

34:23

All right. Well, yeah, fun. Yeah.

34:25

What a way. Super Track

34:28

Discovery has dropped their first two episodes

34:30

of their final season. Did you watch

34:32

them yet? I watched them both last

34:34

night. Okay. And? They

34:37

went for action. That's okay. That's

34:39

what we heard. Yeah, that's what I heard. Yeah. There's

34:42

definitely a McGuffin that they're going to be chasing around

34:44

that will have no real anything

34:47

to anything. They've gotten rid of the spore

34:49

drives, so there's no real need to explain

34:51

anything anymore. And I've got to say,

34:53

Jason, it's not you, but you've

34:56

ruined the show for me. If

34:59

it's not me, then how did I ruin

35:01

the show for you? Well, I think I

35:03

was, I was blind or I

35:05

was able to ignore not the wokeness. It's not

35:07

woke. I mean, it is, but all Star Trek

35:10

is woke and we can talk about that at

35:12

great length. Whatever.

35:15

It's the, every character

35:17

is an emotional child and

35:21

all they fucking do is talk

35:23

about their feelings and, and

35:26

legitimize each other. You're

35:28

in danger. The entire universe is

35:30

about to break up. Why are

35:32

you consoling each other and validating

35:34

each other's feelings? I feel

35:36

like you really see me now, Brian. I

35:39

feel validated. I can't want to. I can't

35:41

want to. I'm so sick of it.

35:46

Like get

35:50

your fucking phaser and get on with

35:52

it, you bitch. Oh,

35:56

good. You've come around to my way of seeing the

35:58

world. I love it. I mean

36:00

I'm gonna have to see it out because the

36:03

next episode no you don't right no you don't

36:05

But the next episode is the one that Rikers

36:07

Directed and said is one of the finest things

36:09

he's ever directed and then I'm four seasons and

36:12

three episodes in There's only like seven more. I

36:14

thought it was strange new worlds that he said

36:16

it was his best TV. Oh shit Yeah,

36:19

maybe I am done then I think you might

36:21

have to be done because that was he was

36:23

talking about strange new worlds man I wasn't talking

36:25

about this discovery shit Okay, it's

36:28

I just I just sat there and

36:31

I Had to pour myself another glass of

36:33

wine And I sat

36:35

there. I was like goddamn.

36:37

They're still fucking talking about their feelings

36:39

poured myself another glass of wine Why

36:42

am I watching this shit? Sounds

36:45

like sounds like you should have just got a warp

36:47

core breach instead of that wine. I should have oh

36:50

well anyways Speaking of

36:52

another thing that probably is gonna really suck and we

36:54

don't need in the world a new Matrix movie is

36:56

in the works From Drew Goddard the writer and director

36:58

best known for his works on titles like the Martian

37:00

the cabin in the woods in the Netflix Daredevil series

37:02

will both direct the film and pen the screenplay Currently

37:05

untitled the project will be the first Matrix

37:07

film not to involve creators Lana and Lily

37:09

Wachowski Although the former will serve as executive

37:12

producer. We didn't need the last one.

37:14

We don't need this Well, this might actually

37:16

help. That's what they said about Matrix 3. Oh

37:20

God But

37:22

now they shot two and three at the same time. There was

37:24

no fixing three But

37:26

you know here's the deal create some more

37:29

universe stuff like they did with the animatrix

37:31

that was fun Yeah, and don't bring back

37:33

Keanu. No don't bring any of them back.

37:35

Yeah New side

37:37

character back. Yes, whatever

37:40

don't care. It will probably suck It's

37:44

all gonna be about the moto vinjian. I just

37:47

like saying that word. Sorry go ahead Okay,

37:49

I Saw this article on IFL science

37:51

and I used to really love that

37:53

that site I thought the writing was

37:55

genius and since then it's just decent

37:57

stories that might as well be written

37:59

by AI chatbots aka Ryan Gosling

38:01

in India. But, um, this

38:04

one was fantastic and obviously I looked at it

38:06

because of the topic matter song

38:08

lyrics today are less sophisticated, angrier and more

38:10

self obsessed than they used to be a

38:12

study says. Somebody

38:14

gave him the CD of wet ass pussy. That's

38:17

how it took. Yeah.

38:20

I don't know if you read the article. I

38:23

will, I will sample two to

38:25

three paragraphs here for you. This is

38:27

the most genius article I've ever read.

38:31

Ever. Songwriters may be under

38:33

pressure, but they just didn't get into the grooves

38:35

like they did back in the 1980s. That's

38:38

the inclusion of a new study looking at the evolution of song

38:40

lyrics from 1980 to 2020, which found

38:42

that while the meaningful verses created by earlier

38:44

artists could sound like a prayer, more recent

38:46

efforts are often just like a careless whisper.

38:49

The researchers examined the lexical complexity of 12,000

38:51

songs spanning genres,

38:54

such as rock hop, rap country, and

38:56

R and B and tasks that one

38:58

might imagine took them all night long.

39:01

The message is that lyrical intricacy has

39:03

been free fallen for over 40 years

39:05

with songs becoming increasingly simple and repetitive,

39:09

and it goes on like that for at

39:11

least 20 more paragraphs. And it is

39:13

awesome. Okay.

39:15

I gotta go read it. I gotta go read it.

39:17

That's great. So

39:20

good. Hat tip to Benjamin

39:23

Taub, the writer of that article. Oh,

39:25

yes. Excellent. Excellent

39:27

work. Raises deserve good, sir. Nonprofit

39:30

organization, Artists Rights Alliance has issued an open

39:33

letter focused on the rise of AI and

39:35

music signed by over 200 prominent names in

39:37

the music industry, including Billie Eilish, Pearl Jam,

39:39

Greta Van Fleet, et cetera, et cetera. Everybody,

39:42

just everybody signed this. Under the

39:44

call to stop devaluing music, the letter states some

39:46

of the biggest and most powerful companies are without

39:48

permission using our work to train AI models.

39:50

These efforts are directly aimed at replacing the

39:53

work of human artists with massive quantities of

39:55

AI created sounds and images that substantially dilute

39:57

the royalty pools that are paid out to

39:59

artists. And obviously just going on

40:01

saying knock it off people. Um, have

40:04

you tried sona AI? No,

40:07

I haven't whole Lee Shit

40:10

that good that good. I they

40:14

Something's got to change man because that thing I

40:18

Wouldn't be surprised if there are ready songs on

40:20

the radio right now that have been written by

40:22

that Wow. Okay good

40:26

Yay Mm-hmm.

40:30

There are things that AI is good at About

40:33

that. It's just you know, yeah, you know

40:36

what? They're not good at yet H vac. I'm

40:38

going to H vac school fuck that noise Until

40:42

my Rosie Rosie Palmer AppleDroid

40:44

can fix that shit for me Man,

40:47

we already checked out the auto blow to on the show.

40:49

Come on If

40:52

they can get that noise problem reduced and we

40:54

might have a we might have a winner there

40:58

Now really though the sona stuff is like

41:01

I download I just ran a couple things

41:03

through it Unbelievably

41:05

good. All right, put a

41:07

link in the show notes. We'll give it a shot. Okay. I Do

41:11

need a new habit a new hobby. So let's get

41:13

into the music business now I've already just gotten into

41:15

voiceover work, which is we'll talk about in a second

41:17

with Dave So

41:20

it's just this stay behind the times that's

41:22

that's where I want to be firmly behind

41:24

the time You

41:26

know, I'm over 50 so I guess that's where I'm

41:29

supposed to be for my my twilight years that and

41:31

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41:35

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41:37

Buffy Wicks aims to address ticket

41:39

masters dominance in the ticketing industry

41:43

The bill would lift restrictions on ticket resale

41:46

and require ticket master to allow other ticket

41:48

sellers to offer tickets through an API All

41:51

right. Okay. Yeah, that's gonna work as

41:53

somebody who used to be a program No,

41:56

that's not gameable in any way shape or

41:58

form. No, they're There

42:00

are ways to do it. And they just got to their

42:03

ticket master needs to get spanked, but

42:05

not making them offer an API isn't

42:07

the way to do it. Just allow

42:10

other ticket sellers and stop, stop embarguing

42:12

all the venues because, because you're live

42:14

nation too. And you can basically break

42:16

up that and stop offering

42:18

artists massive advances for

42:21

tours and locking them up into

42:23

your personal ecosystem for everything. That's

42:25

what they do. And that's how they get everybody. Lena

42:29

Khan. Hello. Yeah. Hello.

42:32

There's been a problem for decades. Come

42:34

on. But you know, now the

42:36

Swifties are on board. So now we're going to see

42:39

real change. Sure. That's what

42:41

we need. So

42:43

Killer Q on discord sent this one over. It

42:46

was a great article. The film fans

42:48

who refuse to surrender to streaming saying

42:50

one day you'll barter bread for our

42:52

DVDs. Bread goes bad and so do

42:54

DVDs. Exactly. I was going to

42:56

say, Hey, have you heard of big rock?

42:59

Yeah, but this actually comes from an actual

43:01

thing where people lost power and they just

43:04

had a little portable DVD player that they

43:06

could juice up and would watch their library

43:08

of DVDs and some people in the neighborhood.

43:10

Talk to their family. Well,

43:12

if you've got kids, I think you, if you

43:15

had a, you know, whatever your kid does,

43:17

your DVD is you'd probably pay some bread for that

43:20

just to keep your kid quiet for a while, which

43:22

seems to be what happened. Kind of the normal part.

43:24

Well, yeah. It was a pretty good one because some

43:26

of the braver colonies had wooden bik

43:38

Along independence. So

43:41

watching all of these things could have beenatt 256 pages. So

43:46

whatever you have heard of, Killer Q, we'll

43:48

speak more fully on that. This, one of the assets of

43:50

Sakura was just to save, you know, everybody's been

43:53

in the wild, which seems to be what happened. But

43:56

people in the neighborhood found out so they started, you

43:58

know, trading things for DVDs. and getting paid

44:01

for it. So this guy was basically a

44:03

Bitlord saying, you know, yeah, you want to

44:05

entertain your kid? Yeah, that'll be two cans

44:07

of two cans of Corona, please. And two

44:09

limes. Enter the Thunderdome for this

44:11

copy of Barbie. Yeah, that's there

44:13

you go. So the

44:16

thing is, yeah, Bitrot. It's

44:18

a good it's a good article talking about the

44:20

nostalgia of DVDs and things like that. And if

44:22

you I just gave away all my my Blu-Raising

44:24

DVDs last week, because I started having them around.

44:26

I'm like, next time I put this in the

44:29

in the player, it's just going to be basically a bucket

44:31

of sadness when it says can't read disc. So I'm like,

44:34

okay, I've got hard drives where I have everything

44:36

backed up. There's, you know, that's

44:38

gonna last me till I'm dead. I don't need

44:40

to rewatch those movies anymore. I'm 52. I'm done

44:42

with those. I need to I need

44:45

to go to HVAC school. Come on. Leave

44:47

me alone. But it's a good read. I recommend it

44:49

if you're if you're one of those people who still

44:51

keep your DVDs around this will be validating

44:54

for you. I'm sure. Do

44:56

you still keep DVDs or Blu-Rays around? I

44:58

have a box that has been in the closet since we moved

45:00

here. I did a big

45:02

call. I basically kept like, some of

45:04

my absolute favorite movies of all time and a lot

45:06

of stuff that you can't get anywhere else like concert

45:09

films, you know, because every band used to release a

45:11

DVD of their live show from the tours and yeah,

45:13

I've got a lot of those. I don't

45:16

have a single I don't have a Blu-Ray player anywhere

45:19

in this house. I'd have to if I wanted to watch any

45:21

of those, I have to go buy one. And

45:24

here's the thing. Have you ever said to yourself

45:26

in the middle of the night, man, I wish I

45:28

had that concert from 1982 that I

45:30

could watch right now. No, because I'm old.

45:33

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah,

45:35

I we got to break the habit of just,

45:37

you know, collecting all that old shit from when

45:39

we were kids. There are things that were really

45:41

important to me in my 20s. I'm not in

45:43

my 20s anymore. I have other things

45:45

in my life. Shit to do. I've got shit

45:47

to do. Like the idea of getting drunk on

45:49

my sofa like I used to do when I

45:52

was 22 and watching, you know,

45:54

the Nine Inch Nails concert film and then

45:56

throwing on underworld and then watching the three

45:58

hour cure videos. I don't

46:00

have time for that shit anymore. Well,

46:02

one thing I used to collect, Brian, that

46:04

I don't have anymore is, uh, episodes

46:07

of Sherlock Holmes with Jeremy Brett, because

46:09

he was, he was my Sherlock Holmes,

46:11

dammit. Well, that is now

46:14

40 years old. Keeping

46:16

on with the theme. I saw this

46:18

on a nice article, 40 years later, Jeremy Brett is

46:20

still the best Sherlock Holmes, and I would have to

46:22

agree. Now finding the old Sherlock Holmes

46:24

is a pain in the butt, but thanks

46:27

to the God given internet that

46:29

we have, thank you, Al Gore for

46:31

the information super highway, the entirety of

46:33

it is on YouTube. So

46:35

you can go, it's been there apparently. And I thought, Oh no, somebody's

46:37

going to see it and take it down. Well, it's been there for

46:39

11 years. So I'm

46:41

guessing it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

46:44

So, uh, there's a link to it

46:46

in the show notes. Uh, it's basically a playlist of

46:48

all the episodes, which I

46:51

then, because I'm insane and still have

46:53

that need to collect everything gene still

46:55

in me that we just talked about,

46:58

I used the downy app, which I have

47:00

via set app, which we highly recommend you

47:02

check out. I took the

47:04

URL for the playlist, dragged

47:07

it into downy downy, then downloaded every

47:09

single episode of Sherlock Holmes for me.

47:11

Now I have it in a folder

47:13

on my Plex server in like two

47:15

clicks. It's great. I

47:17

love downy period. If you need to download

47:19

shit from YouTube, that's the app to get.

47:21

It is so easy and it's, you don't

47:24

have to go through a website, look for

47:26

15 different ads and all that other crap.

47:28

You literally drag the URL or copy and

47:30

copy the URL, paste it into downy and

47:32

it will just get it for you in

47:34

whatever resolution you want, whatever subtitles you want

47:37

done takes seconds. So, so

47:39

thank you, Jeremy Brett for a fantastic Sherlock

47:41

Holmes series. He unfortunately didn't live long enough

47:43

to get knighted. He was going to be

47:46

knighted for his work in it. So yeah,

47:49

the bummer. He was a boomer. Uh,

47:51

but that, that reminds me about, uh, my

47:54

other favorite, because I was a big Sherlock Holmes and hercule

47:56

Poirot fan at the same time when I was growing up.

47:59

And, uh, the labors. Hercule podcast still going

48:01

from Adam Rocha and Frankie still one

48:03

of my favorites. They're killing it They've

48:05

they've now had every cast member that

48:07

mattered on the show. So go check

48:10

it out. They had David Soushe I'm so jealous. I'm

48:13

so jealous, but I

48:15

know it's like three people are going. Oh,

48:17

that's cool And the rest of you are going shoot Exactly.

48:22

I'm gonna tell you about another podcast from somebody you've never heard

48:24

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48:27

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48:30

ask a ninja He's got

48:32

a podcast called anthem of life And

48:34

here's the here's the description anthem of life

48:36

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48:38

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48:41

or lyricists the people in the music

48:43

and since they're fictitious we have comedians

48:45

playing them It's about the people that

48:47

people who write songs write songs about

48:50

So it's it's it's all improv.

48:53

It's a 100% improv show and he's

48:55

a professional improv guy So

48:57

it's actually really really good. I think

49:00

Eleanor Rigby was the latest episode. It

49:02

was very funny. Okay, very very funny It's

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50:54

Brian, so we have a

50:56

feedback-laden episode here of apps and

50:58

doodads. But

51:01

this is so exciting for me that I

51:03

put it at the top and I have

51:05

to say it first. Super

51:08

Monsters 8 My Condo Plus is now out

51:10

on Apple Arcade. Oh, I thought that was

51:12

a new streaming service. No,

51:15

it'll take up as much

51:17

time as you want. This

51:19

is an old game that was, I

51:22

used to love this game. It

51:24

is one of those games, it's a short throw game.

51:26

You can play for like two, three minutes, maybe up

51:28

to four if you're really good at the power-ups per

51:30

round. But it

51:33

is an old, stupid, fun game that

51:35

I played for hours and was so

51:37

sad when it got deprecated with an

51:40

iOS point release somewhere along the way

51:42

and they took it away. Well,

51:44

Apple finally paid another company to come in and

51:46

remaster it because the old one was 8-bit and

51:48

it looked kind of cool, but now they just

51:50

did it with vector art that looks better. Because

51:53

if you're playing 8-bit on a giant iPad

51:55

nowadays, it does kind of look shitty. But

51:58

I opened it up last year. night started I got

52:01

it I was so excited I started playing it

52:03

and I'm just having too much fun too

52:05

much fun I cannot recommend this game

52:07

enough if you have an Apple arcade subscription

52:09

because it's free with the with the subscription

52:11

mm-hmm go get it super monsters

52:14

ate my condo plus okay

52:17

all right that's all I had to say now now

52:19

I'm rubbed up here okay moving on to some feedback all

52:22

right Rob from New Zealand wrote and love the

52:24

show listening to it from New Zealand I hear

52:26

you read Adobe have tried affinity pro photo

52:28

point of few with a top-up for major upgrades

52:30

but way cheaper and great to use yes

52:34

oh I used to have the whole

52:36

affinity stack because they've got basically an

52:38

illustrator an InDesign and a

52:41

Photoshop clone along the way it

52:44

was nice the version I had I

52:46

mean I had like the 1.0 version I checked the iOS

52:48

store last night and it was there up to version 2

52:51

at 60 bucks to

52:53

buy affinity photo so

52:55

they're not cheap they're actual you know they're

52:58

real apps they're good but you when you buy the one

53:00

you get it on all platforms so you get it on your iOS

53:03

and the Mac at the same time so

53:06

I don't know if it's out for PC

53:08

I don't think it is I think it's just

53:10

Mac but here's the news welcome

53:13

to Canva affinity Canva

53:15

has just bought the company right so who

53:17

knows what's gonna happen to it now it's

53:19

gonna be an adobe sweet version for coming

53:22

from Canva yeah pretty much

53:25

so we'll see how that plays out I don't

53:27

have a Canva subscription anymore because I know I

53:29

had one for two years and I used it

53:31

once waste of money

53:34

I know a lot of people that use it

53:36

all the time and they make very mediocre art

53:38

with it so if mediocre art is your goal

53:40

highly recommend Canva but affinity photo was a pretty

53:43

good analog to Photoshop the only problem I had

53:45

was all the key commands were different and I

53:47

have my Photoshop way of doing things yep so

53:49

that was I think I think you tried it

53:51

too back then and we had we came to

53:53

the same conclusion it's like it's okay but it's not

53:55

Photoshop yeah I know how to do this in Photoshop

53:58

is gonna take me 15 minutes to figure out how

54:00

to do this in Canada. Yep, exactly.

54:03

Got some feedback from my old friend Kevin

54:05

Snyder from back in Chicago. He says, as

54:07

an Apple Vision Pro owner, I feel compelled

54:10

to give my thoughts. So

54:12

this is a very long email, so I'm going to get

54:14

to the meat of it. He said,

54:16

two months in, I still get the most enjoyment

54:18

from watching content, but I at least have multiple

54:20

uses because he's using it for some different workflow

54:22

stuff and productivity. Is it worth

54:24

the cost? Not even remotely. Most

54:27

of what it can do, the $500 Quest 3 can do. The

54:30

only way this is worth it is if you're so fixated

54:33

on those 4K screens. He says,

54:35

TLDR, future bright, Apple has a nice entry-level

54:37

product, still a long way to go, and

54:40

V1 is not even close to worth the

54:42

price tag. So

54:45

thanks, Kevin. And yeah, it's pretty

54:48

much what we said. Let's

54:50

wait for V2. Yep, and

54:52

Barbara wrote in, what do you think about Coggy Search?

54:55

I'm interested to hear your take. This

54:57

came in at the exact same time as a 404

55:00

media article called, Friendship Ended with Google.

55:02

Now Coggy is my best friend. And

55:05

talks about his three months of using Coggy Search,

55:07

which is a paid search engine. Cost you 10

55:09

bucks a month for unlimited searches. There's another version

55:11

for $25, which is just

55:14

the, can we have some more money version? I

55:16

skipped that one. So

55:18

I got it, I installed it as my default browser.

55:21

I paid the 10 bucks to try it for the

55:23

first month. I'm hooked. It's great.

55:25

No ads, fast. They've

55:28

even got a summarizer AI plugin, which

55:31

I gotta say sucks balls. Not

55:33

worth it, but it's free because it comes with it. Just,

55:36

but from a search engine perspective, I get

55:38

the correct answer with above

55:41

the fold. I don't have to

55:43

scroll. I might have to give this a go. I

55:45

remember Niva when that came out that was about a

55:47

year or two ago. That was also a paid search

55:49

engine that wasn't supposed to have any

55:51

ads or anything like that. But they went down

55:53

the AI rabbit hole and then got bought out

55:55

by some other company called Slowflake. And it

55:58

wasn't ready for prime time. But sounds like

56:01

this is so yeah, I'm

56:03

sick to death of Google search results. They're

56:05

useless now. So here's the funny thing Kagi

56:09

uses a lot of Google search results, but they're

56:11

a front end to it They stripped the shit

56:13

out of but they've also got search

56:15

results from other providers, too So they're

56:17

basically just a paid front end to

56:19

a bunch of different engines. Okay, so

56:23

But it's fast and they do a really good job of it. So

56:25

I so far I recommend it

56:27

give it a shot You know, there's a free version that you

56:29

can just try out It's pretty easy

56:31

to set it as your default search engine in

56:33

your browser of choice. I think I think except

56:36

opera which you use But

56:38

I did it for brave and it works great. So

56:41

Highly recommended. We'll take a look John

56:43

Stewart again is in the news For

56:46

me at least because he finally did a

56:48

video on AI Mm-hmm, and

56:50

I don't know if you watched it Brian. I have

56:53

not seen this. No, okay You must watch

56:55

it. Everybody must go watch it because it

56:58

is quite possibly the greatest John Stewart video of

57:00

all time. I Don't

57:04

want to ruin it for anybody But

57:07

he kind of nails the entire thing on What

57:10

we're getting wrong with AI and it's

57:12

all about toast so check it out.

57:14

All right. I saw

57:17

another article come through from futurism

57:20

which basically is my clearinghouse for

57:23

Articles that I can't pay for anymore Basically

57:27

what they're saying the Wall Street Journal is talking

57:29

about how AI companies are trying to make larger

57:31

and larger models We all know but

57:34

the problem is they're running out of shit to put in the model

57:37

They've stolen everything already. They have they basically

57:39

already stolen the internet Yeah, which is why

57:41

I also think it is a very dangerous

57:43

time to be Google So they need to

57:46

be working on this stuff faster because pretty

57:48

soon it's gonna be like oh We well,

57:50

we already have the internet over here in

57:52

this box Won't you ask it a question

57:54

And get your answer? You don't have to

57:56

search for it. So them and Kaji or

57:58

Kagi should be worried. But anyway,

58:01

they're running out of stuff in it. The

58:03

article just talks about how they're trying to

58:05

figure out where to get it from the

58:07

thinking about scraping our public You Tube videos

58:09

and getting the transcripts. and if Google might

58:11

have something to say about that, they did.

58:13

That was actually a headline today right before

58:15

I went to this went out with the

58:17

record which was You Tube basically warned Ai

58:19

companies that done scraping their videos is fucking

58:21

bullshit effects and a route where the only

58:23

ones that can do that. Motivators? Yeah, we

58:25

could do that. It's ours. Exactly A bit

58:27

Anthropic will be able to do it too

58:29

because. Google has a massive investment. Anthropic.

58:31

who who I gotta say I'm still

58:34

on live in their models even more

58:36

than open a I. So we'll see

58:38

what happens when Cbt Five? Yeah. But

58:40

they're also saying that they're debating actually

58:42

putting and synthetic data. Which. Is

58:44

generated by the eyes so fake beta

58:46

version of yeah trade or Ayaan sake

58:48

they've pretty much yeah well that's the

58:50

were beating its own tail and real

58:52

yet and then said they up that

58:55

is the or Boris that leads the

58:57

model collapse which we talked about of

58:59

as an added as a real danger

59:01

because everybody's post in this shit which

59:03

we will talk about with David. A

59:05

few minutes of us on the security

59:07

segment of the stuff everywhere now everywhere

59:09

on the internet and everybody slurping it

59:11

up like it's all you know, the

59:13

gospel according. To humans and it's not

59:15

so we are problems common. Medium.

59:18

And you know I'm just talking about

59:20

Niva. Topless. Talk about another of Cuba.

59:22

Another A I powered app that I

59:25

was using for a while artifact. Which.

59:27

Was actually a pretty good news app for little

59:29

bit until they decided week is a good news

59:32

editor a week until they decided to hey, we're

59:34

not really pop in and clicking here, what are

59:36

we going to do? I got it. root game

59:38

if I news yeah and then all of us

59:41

were out because that's not what news. As for.

59:44

The How they announced that they were basically

59:46

gonna abandon the project because not enough people

59:49

bought on to their concedes or but never

59:51

feared the company them for which all technologies

59:53

go to die has bought them. Yahoo. Oh

59:56

great. Yeah, that's

59:58

not going to. They're They're not going

1:00:01

to run Artifact as a standalone service.

1:00:03

They will fold Artifacts A I personally

1:00:05

syntax into their other products such as

1:00:07

Yahoo News which I didn't even know

1:00:09

still exist. Die. As you'll see

1:00:11

some Yahoo News articles come through every now and

1:00:13

again if a rare. Will. They

1:00:15

my I'm. Not. There are the

1:00:17

The Artifact Founders Kevin System in My Krieger

1:00:19

still pushing the company line. Because.

1:00:22

They probably have to because I'm sure that they

1:00:24

have a deal where they'll stick around for little

1:00:26

bit to get their big pile of money. Ai

1:00:28

has allowed us to give users a better experience

1:00:31

discovering great content they care about. Yahoo recognizes that

1:00:33

opportunity and we could not be more excited to

1:00:35

see what we built live on through Yahoo News.

1:00:38

Know. Sadder words were ever said via

1:00:40

text at I Now. Have

1:00:43

met I didn't have time. did I did?

1:00:45

was will talk about this next week. Maybe

1:00:47

Morrison Myers back in the new. Speaking of

1:00:49

the auto oh vote company she running into

1:00:51

the ground these days. Ah, some new one

1:00:53

that she started that was supposed to be

1:00:55

a new photo sharing app because that's what

1:00:57

we all need right now and presenting harsher

1:00:59

any I'm sure. The. Up Dead. dead as

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a doornail. Them. The

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to the dark Side with Day with but

1:01:13

guess superheroes Daves Bittner David the host of

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the Cyber Were podcast for All Your Cyber

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Security News the co host of Hacking Humans

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with Joe Kerrigan discussing how humans are mean

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the ghost of Gabi out with Ben yell

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and because people are nosy and those the

1:01:27

controller because industrial machine to have feelings too.

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Welcome Dave Better. Thank

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you gentlemen assisted suits of it was

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the an honor to just be nominated

1:01:37

so thank you refer to thank you

1:01:39

for having with heck okay. It will

1:01:41

work at We're We're going to get into the

1:01:43

namesake of the show here now Daves The With.

1:01:45

We've got a new Star Wars trailer. Yeah,

1:01:47

Tales of the Empire so we're go yard

1:01:49

dark side to little bit of his art

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sentencing were flooded. the sled it a new

1:01:54

Star Wars content or email as we are.

1:01:56

like I say I've I've been keeping up

1:01:58

with a bad batch which is on the

1:02:00

final season. It's been excellent. that's what I

1:02:02

hear. I'm sitting all sorts of posting on

1:02:04

social media about how amazing it is so

1:02:06

it is on my list or I'd definitely

1:02:08

in the queue that we're going to revisit.

1:02:10

It. The. I watched the I

1:02:13

watched last two of those just

1:02:15

last night right before watching Star

1:02:17

Trek Discovery getting depressed. But the

1:02:19

sad that was excellent a threat

1:02:21

next time reverse the order Chris

1:02:23

and access to. Sell

1:02:25

I got a couple articles and hear about

1:02:27

it and that is one called Breaking Down

1:02:29

the City Secrets of Tales of the Empire's

1:02:31

new trailer was a him read because that

1:02:34

just screams of spoilers. and yeah I don't

1:02:36

want the way down the secrets I want

1:02:38

to watch them up on says well. Yes,

1:02:41

I do understand that and I

1:02:43

respect that and I agree with

1:02:46

that. However, Ah, I did look

1:02:48

at the break down after watching

1:02:50

the trailer and what struck me

1:02:53

is that. I hate to

1:02:55

admit this, but it is the sad truth

1:02:57

that I am at the place in my

1:02:59

Star Wars Journey. Were. With

1:03:01

these new things that involves so many

1:03:03

things from so many different. Areas

1:03:06

of Star Wars. I. Need

1:03:08

a Star Wars sherpa to help me

1:03:10

that the through. Any. To

1:03:13

for me and time on Wikipedia.

1:03:15

Yeah. For. Me I'm lucky because

1:03:17

I have my youngest son, Jack who

1:03:19

is up on all this stuff, who

1:03:21

washes, He's watched all his, watched everything,

1:03:23

and he has the young mind that

1:03:25

can capture and remember all of these

1:03:28

names and places and planets and all

1:03:30

that kind of stuff. So. Cities.

1:03:32

Your of Yoda Gp T. He

1:03:34

is. Yeah, source it was him an

1:03:36

hour. Every now and then I'll lean

1:03:38

over in a singer who is that

1:03:40

in of which represent from is sometimes

1:03:42

a positional. say okay. so back in

1:03:44

the Clone Wars, such into that hasn't

1:03:47

started. Intelligence? Oh My. God. Okay, very

1:03:49

good. of like chasing its own tail

1:03:51

happening within with these shows. Like rather

1:03:53

than just have completely new characters, everything

1:03:55

in this universe must absolutely be connected

1:03:57

in some way. Shape or form, right?

1:04:00

Right in the universe. You know

1:04:02

it's like a basic about. How.

1:04:05

That doesn't scale. You know it's like

1:04:07

the someone say oh you're from Baltimore

1:04:09

juno deal gesture blocky with no a.

1:04:13

Million people it's software night in the

1:04:15

Star Wars universe is like oh sure

1:04:18

Han Solo yeah ran into him over

1:04:20

on his other planet of while back

1:04:22

in. Okay okay. But

1:04:24

it's funny. You know we kid because we

1:04:27

love and madame. I. Will be watching it

1:04:29

for sure! If. This

1:04:32

is this is only tangentially related

1:04:34

to Star Wars in that many

1:04:36

of the episodes were directed by

1:04:39

Dave for loanee. Ah. My

1:04:41

son and my wife and I have been

1:04:44

making our way through the Avatar the Last

1:04:46

Airbender series. I. Know next to

1:04:48

nothing about it other than from what

1:04:50

I've seen online as nobody is ever

1:04:53

done it justice and every version of

1:04:55

it sucks in some way, shape or

1:04:57

form or that's just the internet haters.

1:04:59

Well I think that's every version except

1:05:01

for this. One of my my understanding

1:05:04

is that this one the original animated

1:05:06

version which I think was originally on

1:05:08

Nick Ah, went for three seasons. And.

1:05:11

Is very loved and respected

1:05:13

and and so on and

1:05:15

so forth. Know com and

1:05:17

we just finished up the first season and

1:05:19

I have to say it is true. that

1:05:22

sort of think it's very much that you

1:05:24

know that Japanese. The

1:05:26

style of comedy, the style of

1:05:28

storytelling, the visuals it. it's very

1:05:30

obviously influenced by that are and

1:05:32

so once I was able to

1:05:34

wrap my head around that and

1:05:37

kind of except that and and

1:05:39

not look at that is a

1:05:41

failing. But as part of it's

1:05:43

are not a bug, exactly part

1:05:45

of the texture of this type

1:05:47

of storytelling. Ah, it's it's It's

1:05:49

quite entertaining in the the, the

1:05:51

characters are are fun, and it's

1:05:53

visually quite interesting. So I'm. I'm

1:05:55

I'm glad that new my youngest son Jack was

1:05:57

the one who kind of it's drag the senses.

1:06:00

Like because it watch avatar is it goes

1:06:02

back is probably what a decade old? oh

1:06:04

I didn't it's and for by three aspect

1:06:07

ratio so it's gotta be. Old

1:06:09

right? I

1:06:12

do have him for by three. Aspect of

1:06:14

it has the our a Free Pass, a

1:06:16

dietary Atrix. Now. So

1:06:19

I'm I'm I'm glad I had an

1:06:21

open enough mine to get to that

1:06:23

point of figuring out how to make

1:06:25

it work. And I know that makes

1:06:27

me sound like an avatar apologist, but.

1:06:30

I. Really do think it's it's quite good and

1:06:32

and I have been enjoying and some looking for

1:06:34

to the next couple seasons. Are

1:06:36

I think I'll file that one under

1:06:39

I'll wait and see if my son

1:06:41

wants to watch Anarchists and do it.

1:06:43

So yeah that's that's a good plan

1:06:45

as a map. Right now I'm stuck

1:06:48

in the jogger. everything is a set

1:06:50

up a threat which are having watched

1:06:52

Sit by the way how they have

1:06:54

not been sued by the Disney Lucas

1:06:57

The State I mean everything is so

1:06:59

blatantly Star Wars and I am a

1:07:01

livable. I remember

1:07:03

at one point during I am One

1:07:06

Say was Jackson's adolescents who there was

1:07:08

some show called like Slug Tara I

1:07:10

believe in it was all about these

1:07:13

slugs the do battle and so we

1:07:15

were collecting slug toys and has just

1:07:17

rolling my eyes thinking houses to think

1:07:20

how to discuss old how and but

1:07:22

he loved it and right. So.

1:07:24

New amateur to do a matters in.

1:07:27

So. I didn't notice this week that.the

1:07:30

Washington Post is going to renew my

1:07:32

subscription for an insane of obscene amount

1:07:34

of money and I said no I

1:07:36

would not my issue because every for

1:07:39

starters, I didn't know I was subscribe

1:07:41

to the Washington Post for the last

1:07:43

year. Oh my bad. So

1:07:46

I went into cancel it. In. A

1:07:48

cancellation problems problem is.

1:07:52

Let's say problematic zone. the

1:07:54

for the first thing is i'm trying

1:07:57

to do it on my phone and

1:07:59

ah using my one path password manager.

1:08:01

Wapo is one of those websites and

1:08:04

this isn't just them, it's sites that

1:08:06

do this that drive me crazy. It

1:08:09

doesn't respect autofill password managers. So

1:08:11

you always have to go in

1:08:13

and you have to replace the

1:08:15

last character manually to make it

1:08:18

think that oh it typed something.

1:08:20

It's some junior programmer's

1:08:22

idea of stopping the bad

1:08:25

guys. But the

1:08:27

biggest problem was that I couldn't get it to actually

1:08:30

show the password because you know there's

1:08:32

usually that eyeball toggle. It just wasn't

1:08:34

working. So I had to go back

1:08:36

into the password manager, figure out what

1:08:38

the like show the password, remember that

1:08:41

go back to it and then

1:08:43

manually put in the last character of the password.

1:08:46

And then the same thing with my email address

1:08:48

to get it to kick in. And it's

1:08:50

just they finally let me cancel that part was

1:08:52

fine. But it's just that the frustration that I

1:08:54

have with people who just code

1:08:57

horribly wrong nowadays drives me

1:08:59

mad. It's like there's no

1:09:01

reason for that. There

1:09:04

is though. It's a feature not a bug

1:09:06

just like everything else. I recently for my

1:09:09

work we had like changed

1:09:11

credit cards or something like that. So I had

1:09:13

to sign into multiple services. They

1:09:15

bury all this stuff now on purpose

1:09:18

because they want to make it incredibly

1:09:20

difficult for you to turn off that

1:09:22

subscription. Everything is buried like 9, 10,

1:09:25

11, 12 levels deep, not in any

1:09:27

way, shape or form that would make

1:09:29

sense. Like they're doing all this dark

1:09:31

trickery just to stop you from being

1:09:33

able to stop any renewals. It's unbelievable.

1:09:36

Wasn't there a thing in the past couple

1:09:39

of years where there were several sites like this and I thought

1:09:41

it was Washington Post and maybe it's New York

1:09:44

Times where the only way

1:09:46

you could cancel was to call

1:09:48

them? That was the New York Times. Yeah. I had

1:09:50

to do that. Sirius XM does that as

1:09:53

well. So the only way you can cancel that

1:09:55

you have to call. Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:58

I know there was a call for… some

1:10:00

kind of legislation where

1:10:03

you have to have equal

1:10:05

ability for sign up and cancellation so if

1:10:07

I can sign up online then I got

1:10:09

to be able to cancel online you can't

1:10:11

put you through an undue burden yeah yep

1:10:15

yeah that sucks so

1:10:19

what doesn't suck and I put this one

1:10:21

in here just for you Dave because I

1:10:23

know you're such a Muppets fan it's Willie

1:10:25

Nelson and Kermit the Frog singing rainbow connection

1:10:27

yeah did you it's wonderful

1:10:31

even though you can see the guy singing moving

1:10:33

the sticks it was still very good

1:10:36

very good I actually thought that was cooler that

1:10:38

you could see the whole the whole performance there

1:10:40

was a great comment that was something along the

1:10:42

lines of Willie Nelson is the only human that

1:10:44

makes us look completely normal well

1:10:47

I it's funny I cuz I remember it

1:10:49

you know

1:10:53

it calls back to to Jim Henson and

1:10:55

I remember him talking about when he would

1:10:57

make appearances on The Tonight Show or places

1:10:59

like that that he never tried to be

1:11:02

a ventriloquist because what

1:11:04

he found was that the Frog was much

1:11:06

more interesting than he was and

1:11:09

people wanted to believe this magic trick

1:11:11

so he would just talk normally and

1:11:13

move his mouth and but everyone to

1:11:15

be looking at Kermit or whatever puppet he was

1:11:17

doing and I think

1:11:19

that's that's really true that's the

1:11:21

way it works the other thing I

1:11:24

remember from I saw it was a

1:11:26

draft of the Muppet movie script and

1:11:28

on the first page it laid out

1:11:31

basically how the Muppets work and

1:11:33

it said that in the

1:11:35

world of the Muppets frogs

1:11:37

and pigs and birds and penguins

1:11:40

and gonzos are completely

1:11:42

normal within this world so the

1:11:44

humans never respond to seeing

1:11:47

any of them as being surprised by

1:11:49

what they are right there

1:11:51

it's yeah which is true and I

1:11:53

think that's part of why the Muppets

1:11:56

unlike really any other

1:11:58

brand that I can

1:12:01

think of, that's why we accept him

1:12:03

as being real. That's why Kermit the

1:12:05

Frog could host the Tonight Show, and he did.

1:12:07

And you just be

1:12:09

like, oh, guess it's great. Kermit

1:12:11

the Frog's hosting this Tonight Show.

1:12:14

Yeah, I just have such great

1:12:16

affection for them, and they

1:12:19

did so much nostalgia, because as I've said

1:12:21

here before, when I

1:12:23

watch current Muppet stuff, it's mostly

1:12:25

like watching a Beatles tribute band.

1:12:28

It's great. They may capture

1:12:30

some of the original magic, but what it does

1:12:32

most is make me realize how much I love

1:12:34

the original. Yeah, agreed. Yeah.

1:12:38

All right. Well, speaking of loving the original,

1:12:40

I love us. Us humans. We've

1:12:43

talked many times about fake AI

1:12:45

voices on the show and how

1:12:47

they're coming for us. Well,

1:12:49

OpenAI has a new one called

1:12:51

Voice Engine, and they

1:12:53

made a very long blog post about

1:12:55

how they're trying to be safe with

1:12:57

the technology. The technology,

1:12:59

which is terrifying because now it only takes 15

1:13:02

seconds to train the entire model on you. And

1:13:05

I don't know if you guys checked out

1:13:07

any of the samples in the article that I linked

1:13:09

to. Yes, we're

1:13:12

done. We're done.

1:13:14

Well, I was talking a little bit earlier

1:13:16

in the show, Dave, about there's a program

1:13:19

called Sonu, which is music

1:13:21

generating AI, and it's insanely good.

1:13:23

And whenever I see any of

1:13:25

these things, I think, well,

1:13:28

they're being pretty careful now. They're putting a

1:13:30

ton of guardrails on these things, but

1:13:33

they've got access to this without guardrails.

1:13:35

How good is it really? Right.

1:13:38

Because they're stepping this stuff back for us. They've

1:13:40

got to be to some degree.

1:13:42

Right. Because the music production that came

1:13:44

out of that thing was stunning, but

1:13:47

they do have guardrails on it. You can't put in

1:13:49

artist names and do a Willie

1:13:51

Nelson song in the style of

1:13:53

Cindy Lauper. You can't do that,

1:13:56

but they can. Yeah. Right. Make

1:13:58

me another David Bowie album. Exactly. Do

1:14:00

it. Yep and yeah, And

1:14:04

they will was the phrase yeah, that's the

1:14:06

kind. It'll be good and it'll be good

1:14:08

And if you didn't know you wouldn't know.

1:14:12

Lots of for the fact that you're dead. So

1:14:15

I acts as a couple. Things are a.

1:14:18

A the last paragraph of of the

1:14:20

last section of this so paid you

1:14:23

shared with us from up an A.

1:14:25

Jason talks about the say that is

1:14:27

called looking ahead and they say we

1:14:29

encourage steps like phasing out voice based

1:14:31

authentication as a security measure for not

1:14:33

letting a bank accounts and others is

1:14:35

not of information say the world to

1:14:37

adapt to us. Exactly exactly

1:14:40

that was my yes sir.

1:14:42

Listen, we're gonna start the

1:14:44

fire. Ah, you guys ready?

1:14:48

Know we don't really know what to replace

1:14:50

it with his foot. We'll figure it out,

1:14:52

right? You're going to turn the

1:14:54

lights off in it's up to you to find

1:14:57

the exit vs right at is that is whereas

1:14:59

now. So. Earlier this

1:15:01

week I did it a little

1:15:03

experiment. See I live in this

1:15:05

town called Columbia. Maryland is one

1:15:07

of the nineteen sixties planned community

1:15:09

says he knows where they people

1:15:11

were trying to build a better

1:15:13

town. Ah and the founder and

1:15:16

developer was James Rouse whose famous

1:15:18

developer he to Columbia he did

1:15:20

of Annual Hall. he is one

1:15:22

of those guys very well known

1:15:24

So as a resident of Columbia

1:15:26

what you often hear the original

1:15:28

pioneers who kinda Columbia is they

1:15:30

say what would Jim Ross do

1:15:32

right We have very much have

1:15:34

that problem in he died twenty

1:15:37

years ago or so I'm. So.

1:15:39

I went into a techy

1:15:42

pity for. And

1:15:44

I said are you familiar with the writings of

1:15:46

games or else and it said oh yes I'm

1:15:49

for me with James are housed he did this

1:15:51

this this is amiss I said great right? An

1:15:53

editorial Ah. About. Odd.

1:15:56

But. James Rouse would think about the development of

1:15:59

Columbia in the time since his death. And

1:16:02

it did. He did. It

1:16:04

did. oh my gosh, usually won't

1:16:07

do that. Yeah, well it did.

1:16:09

Ah will. First what it did

1:16:11

was he wrote it as if

1:16:13

someone were writing about Jim Ross

1:16:15

right? And then I said okay,

1:16:17

that was great. Now.

1:16:20

Ah, do it as if you

1:16:22

are Jim Ross addressing a room

1:16:24

full of. Columbia

1:16:27

residents rent. And. It wrote

1:16:29

it as if it were a speech. From

1:16:31

Jim Ross. And.

1:16:34

It was really good.

1:16:36

Like. It had his

1:16:39

cadence, it had his folksy way

1:16:41

of speaking his comments his you

1:16:43

know a very much nailed the

1:16:45

style of this man who was

1:16:48

a very folksy kind of man.

1:16:51

Ah, I'm he was good

1:16:53

friends with some while Disney mostly

1:16:55

I'm so. I. Took

1:16:57

it to the next level. I

1:16:59

loaded. A. Speech to the

1:17:02

gym Ralph's had given in to

1:17:04

eleven labs. Had them

1:17:06

analyze it. I took a paragraph

1:17:08

from the thing that said she P T

1:17:10

wrote in his voice and had eleven labs

1:17:13

spit it out. As.

1:17:16

What? I labeled Uncle Jim

1:17:18

and it is. Karoli

1:17:21

Good. I mean, it has his

1:17:23

cadence. It has the way he

1:17:25

pauses, it has their words that

1:17:27

he would stretch out in his

1:17:29

folksy kind of way. And it

1:17:32

does all that. And.

1:17:34

I am. I've been sitting on it because

1:17:36

when's the next Town Hall meetings? Well

1:17:41

here's they are Sir Fred I press away

1:17:43

you know and then the outcome But torches

1:17:45

and pitchforks right? the they have a tar

1:17:48

and feather means and me out out of

1:17:50

town on a rail but it's really had

1:17:52

me thinking because it like to your point

1:17:54

this is with the the guardrail still on

1:17:56

it. right and bringing someone

1:17:58

back from the dead with

1:18:01

an accurate version of the voice. And we're right on

1:18:04

the leading edge where I'd be able to make a

1:18:06

video with him. Yep.

1:18:08

He'd have six fingers, but yeah,

1:18:10

he's right there. Give

1:18:14

it a couple more weeks. We

1:18:17

were talking about this about a year ago and

1:18:19

saying it's not going to be that long and

1:18:21

we're there already. We're there with the

1:18:23

voices and all that. It's true. That's

1:18:26

true. You're absolutely right. Great.

1:18:31

Oh, Jesus. The one thing, though, that people,

1:18:33

people, we need people for is the

1:18:36

podcast that you guys recommended last week, What Went Wrong.

1:18:40

This requires people because there's stories

1:18:42

of shit that happened that nobody

1:18:44

knows about. Ah, but

1:18:46

it's shit that happened that nobody knows about, so

1:18:48

you can't verify it so the chat GPT can

1:18:50

totally make this shit up. No! Right.

1:18:54

No! Stupid. Suppose

1:18:57

you're a camera operator on Jaws.

1:19:02

Based on the behind the scenes accounts

1:19:05

of what it was like to make Jaws, write me a...

1:19:08

In the voice of Steven Spielberg. Thank

1:19:11

you. Shit. Right. Never

1:19:14

mind. Done and done. Well, before we're

1:19:16

all taken over by the machine, before

1:19:19

Ryan Gosling takes us all over, I recommend

1:19:21

this podcast. It is actually really, really

1:19:23

good. I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Oh,

1:19:26

good. I've listened to one as well. It was

1:19:28

very good. Yeah. I

1:19:31

put a couple things in here in the show notes just

1:19:33

real quick. I don't know if either of you guys... I'm

1:19:35

sure we've talked about this, but I can't remember if either

1:19:37

of you guys ever had any of the 150 in one

1:19:40

kits from Radio Shack. No.

1:19:43

Do you know what I'm talking about? But I know what you're talking about.

1:19:45

Yes. Yes, I did. The

1:19:47

little project kits. Yes, I did. And

1:19:49

I hated them because I was... I

1:19:52

did not have the patience to figure out how

1:19:54

it worked. You Just wanted

1:19:56

to throw all the wires together and get

1:19:58

a radio. The I

1:20:00

expected it to the I look at

1:20:02

it and and outcomes a volcano in

1:20:04

a radio and dinner on my goodness.

1:20:08

Yeah. Well,

1:20:10

I had the hundred and Fifty and

1:20:12

One kid and I was one of

1:20:14

the best gifts I ever got from

1:20:16

my birthday. Ah, and I just loved

1:20:19

it. And I to this day I

1:20:21

say of many of the things I

1:20:23

learned about electronics and how electronics work

1:20:25

came from playing with that kit. So

1:20:28

that a link here for someone who

1:20:30

has made a modern updated version of

1:20:32

one of those kids to Sixty Five

1:20:34

and One kid. ah, using modern production

1:20:37

techniques, you rather than all the electronics

1:20:39

being embedded. In cardboard it's embedded in

1:20:41

actual circuit boards and has more modern

1:20:43

up to date. but if you're someone

1:20:45

who has some great nostalgia for any

1:20:48

those old Radioshack kids a Do check

1:20:50

this out. It's a lot of fun

1:20:52

to to look at. looks really cool.

1:20:54

yeah man so it's even got the

1:20:57

solar cell on it. Nice of property

1:20:59

rights as it is like a single

1:21:01

read L E D which was yeah

1:21:03

well A d Wow. Of

1:21:06

bread.is solely brings back memories as

1:21:09

grape beer. In Ah, and

1:21:11

unless they have a link here.

1:21:15

I. Stumbled upon a page to that I'm

1:21:18

still trying to make heads or tails

1:21:20

out of. I ran out. Of.

1:21:23

Ideas and I describe it

1:21:25

as being an eye rolling

1:21:27

example of a kind of

1:21:29

a I generated sledge that clogging

1:21:32

up Google search results. Ah,

1:21:34

this is a page that describes

1:21:36

in great detail or how to

1:21:38

power your solar panels indoors with

1:21:41

incandescent lights. Now.

1:21:44

Is it's bullshit? Or.

1:21:46

Is this like Tesla level perpetual

1:21:48

power machine with solve the problems

1:21:50

of the universe now day because

1:21:53

we can just put a life

1:21:55

with a solar panel and we

1:21:57

have never ending power. Yes! I.

1:22:00

I think it could be that. One

1:22:02

of the things I love, so I'll just quote here, it

1:22:04

says, many people would not

1:22:07

believe it, but incandescent bulbs are one

1:22:09

of the most reliable sources of making

1:22:11

solar panels work indoors. Try

1:22:13

to opt for the incandescent bulb with a

1:22:15

filament in it. Some even go

1:22:17

for halogen light bulbs to generate some light

1:22:19

and heat. Okay. So,

1:22:22

obviously, this is AI-generated bullshit.

1:22:26

What I'm wondering is, is this

1:22:28

only for SEO? Why

1:22:32

is this here? There

1:22:34

is an embedded link for

1:22:36

a product, so I'm wondering

1:22:38

if this whole thing was just created for

1:22:42

SEO for something that's only

1:22:45

barely mentioned. It

1:22:50

doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, and

1:22:52

yet here it is. Yeah, and the

1:22:55

picture that they have also doesn't make

1:22:57

sense because there's a guy on a

1:22:59

ladder on a roof, which

1:23:02

is leaning against nothing. Because

1:23:04

if you look at the angle of the ladder,

1:23:07

it's floating in the air, not towards

1:23:09

the roof. But it's a

1:23:11

house within a house. Yeah. You

1:23:14

see? That's right. Those are the

1:23:16

indoor solar panels. Yes. It's

1:23:19

a house within a house, and yes. I

1:23:21

believe that this is – once

1:23:23

this page is discovered by a real scientist,

1:23:26

the world will change. Right.

1:23:29

That's the only thing that's holding this back. That's

1:23:31

the only gift to humanity. It's out there. Yeah.

1:23:33

The AI is following our power problems.

1:23:37

It's out there for the taking if only we

1:23:39

can accept it and turn

1:23:42

it into reality. No. I

1:23:44

mean, you've stumbled upon one of the ways

1:23:46

that this podcast actually started, Dave, which is

1:23:48

me looking around the internet going, what the

1:23:50

fuck is going on? I'm

1:23:58

just imagining you and Jason. and

1:24:00

out having a beer and you saying

1:24:02

that and somebody saying there ought to

1:24:04

be a podcast. You need not imagine

1:24:07

that. Exactly how this started. And Finn

1:24:09

McCool's in Santa Monica that is the

1:24:11

exact conversation that was had. We were

1:24:13

like we should record this. I

1:24:17

see. 11

1:24:21

years later here we are. People

1:24:23

would love to listen to us bitch about things. No

1:24:26

we didn't have those illusions. This

1:24:28

is fantastic. Oh my goodness. Yeah.

1:24:31

No. Alright. That's

1:24:33

what I have Jen. Thank you so much. Thank you

1:24:36

Dave. I will see

1:24:38

you guys next time. Alright. See

1:24:40

you next one.

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