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meta.com/metaverse impact. Grumpy

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Old Geeks, a weekly talk show hosted

0:24

by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFillippo, discussing

0:26

the finer points of what went wrong on the

0:28

internet and who's to blame. Welcome

0:35

to Grumpy Old Geeks. I'm Jason DeFillippo. And

0:38

I'm Brian Schulmeister. Well,

0:40

Jason, we're, uh, it's been two

0:42

months since the groundbreaking Changing Our

0:44

Lives Apple Vision Pro was released.

0:47

Okay. Haven't

0:49

heard much about it. Oh, really? I've heard

0:52

a lot. I haven't heard anything. There's

0:54

not a lot going on and we don't have a

0:56

lot of stories about it. Nothing. I

0:58

did finally see one in the wild. And,

1:00

uh, I mean, I know

1:02

we made a lot of fun of the Google

1:04

glasses when they came out, but you look like

1:06

you came off of Milan runway in those compared

1:08

to wearing one of these things. This

1:11

guy looked like a total

1:13

moron. Okay. It's,

1:16

I'm just, look, I love Apple. I,

1:18

and I get, look, trust me, I

1:20

get the Apple Vision Pro is a

1:22

completely different device with different usages than,

1:24

than Google glass. Like it's a different

1:26

thing completely, but,

1:28

uh, I

1:33

can see myself, you know, I talked about like

1:35

version two, version three, maybe I would get one

1:37

and I could see myself using it in a

1:39

work situation in an office with all the blinds

1:41

drawn and the doors closed because you do not

1:43

want to see, you don't want anybody seeing you

1:45

wearing this thing. Oh,

1:47

I mean, it's still, it's just like an Oculus.

1:49

You don't want to be wearing one of those.

1:52

It's just, uh, you know, it's the Apple is

1:54

not known for having devices that, uh, if you

1:56

wear them, I mean, I hate to say it,

1:58

you know, uh. Galloway

2:01

is right. This thing is a

2:03

very good system to retain your

2:05

virginity. See, the thing is,

2:07

I think that's a self-selecting sample. I think

2:10

the people that you want to mate with

2:12

are probably going to be attracted to you.

2:14

It's like plumage. It is nerd plumage. Look

2:16

at it that way. And

2:20

think about AirPods. When

2:22

AirPods first came out, everybody was just like,

2:24

you look like an idiot wearing those. What

2:26

are those white things in your ears? They're

2:29

glaringly obvious. Ear boogers. Why do

2:31

you have ear boogers? And now it's like

2:33

everybody's got them, nobody cares. I

2:36

don't think this is going to be quite the AirPods situation,

2:38

but... Probably not. No. Yeah,

2:42

it was... I just... I actually... I

2:45

stood and gawked. I really did. You

2:48

know they can see you, right? Don't care. Does

2:51

he know we can see him? Yeah, apparently

2:53

not. Have you looked in a mirror with

2:56

that thing on? It's the reality distortion

2:58

field, Brian. Very much so is. Yeah.

3:01

Now, I've heard a lot from people who are

3:03

actually developing for it, but not much from the

3:06

public because not many people have them, you know?

3:08

Yeah, that's true. There's not that many out there,

3:10

really. So I was kind of surprised to actually

3:12

see one, so... Yeah, you should

3:14

have picked his pocket because he's doing other shit,

3:16

you know? I don't understand

3:18

people that wear them out in public. It's just like... That's

3:21

the thing. Like, I get it sitting in an

3:23

office. I totally get that. But

3:25

like, out and about? What are you doing?

3:27

Yeah, they're like speedos, you know? They're comfortable,

3:29

but you don't want to get caught wearing

3:31

them. Yeah, that's European. Yeah. Oh

3:35

my god. And speaking of the Apple

3:37

Vision Pro, they just released their

3:39

fifth piece of content for

3:41

the Apple Vision Pro, yes. Two months, five

3:44

pieces of content. Oh,

3:47

yeah, this is just a short film that

3:49

highlights the 2023 Major League Soccer Cup playoffs.

3:51

Oh, and who among us cannot forget that

3:54

game? Well, if you've got a member...

3:56

I'm a soccer fan. Couldn't fucking tell you. Yeah,

3:59

110... days ago was when

4:01

the final was. Yeah. That, that

4:03

takes a little bit of time from, you

4:05

know, stop to publish. If you're going to

4:07

go with the synergy thing, be

4:09

timely. Yeah. Like I get it.

4:11

You bought the rights to MLS. You're going to

4:13

do MLS even though nobody cares about MLS. But

4:16

110 days after the final,

4:18

I can watch some recap of what was not

4:20

a very interesting game to begin with. Thanks.

4:23

Yeah. There you go. At

4:25

least they, at least they distill it down to five

4:27

minutes. So. It's five minutes too long.

4:30

I haven't, I haven't heard anybody talk about any

4:32

of the other content that's on there either. It's

4:35

mostly talking about productivity and how, how it's easy

4:37

to work with and different, different use cases for

4:39

working with it as kind of like, you know,

4:41

your, your virtual desktop thing. And some people like

4:43

it. Some people hate it. It's

4:46

definitely, uh, it's polarizing in

4:48

different areas, but I'm

4:50

just, well, yeah, I'm waiting for this. We've said

4:52

it from the beginning. Where's version two? Yeah. Wait,

4:54

when version two comes out, let's talk. Well,

4:56

let's talk about somebody that isn't polarizing. Everybody

4:58

hates this guy. Uh, FTX CEO,

5:01

Sam bankman freed was just sentenced the other day

5:03

to 25 years behind

5:05

bars and a ruling handed forth by New

5:07

York Southern district court. Judge Louis A Kaplan

5:09

announced the decision. I think it was yesterday

5:11

morning. I believe as posted

5:13

by CNN, he, uh, bankman freed expressed regret

5:15

for his actions and the people he harmed.

5:18

It's been excruciating to watch. He said, tell

5:20

me about it, buddy. Customers don't

5:22

deserve any of that pain. He also acknowledged the

5:24

serious time he will be likely to spend behind

5:27

bars. My useful life is probably over. That's

5:29

bringing up the argument. When was it useful?

5:31

When was he useful? What exactly did you

5:33

do? That was useful. He

5:36

laid out his reasoning for delivering such a harsh sentence

5:38

to the one time golden boy of the crypto community,

5:40

suggesting he could be in a position to do something

5:42

very bad in the future. So

5:45

the sentence was issued for the purpose of

5:47

disabling him to the extent that can be

5:49

appropriately be done for a significant period of

5:51

time. In other words, you're a bad guy

5:53

who will continue to do bad things. So

5:55

go rot. 25 years is nothing for

5:57

what he did. I think so too. That's

6:00

insane what he did. Compare

6:02

his sentence to Bernie Madoff, not even in the

6:05

same ballpark. Bernie got like 150 years and

6:07

stole far less money. Yep.

6:10

And even that was lenient, I thought.

6:13

But it got the job done, I guess. You

6:15

know, he ended up where he needed to be

6:17

at the right time. Well, the entire point of

6:19

the judicial system is to stop further behavior. It

6:21

did not get the job done, obviously. Sam Bankman

6:24

Free did not get the memo from that. In

6:28

the news. This

6:34

is an interesting story, Brian. Project

6:37

Ghostbusters. Facebook is accused of using your

6:39

phone to wiretap Snapchat. Who's they going

6:41

to call? The lawyers. That's who

6:43

they're going to call. So

6:46

this is kind of an old story, which

6:48

is interesting, but finally coming into the courts.

6:51

And there's some unsealed court documents that are making

6:53

their rounds and have two stories

6:56

attached to them today. First is the

6:58

Project Ghostbusters, where they

7:00

were using their own VPN to

7:02

basically sniff traffic on people's phones

7:04

for other apps. And they could

7:06

see it in the decrypted state, which gave them a

7:08

leg up. So they

7:11

could watch what was going

7:13

on on Snapchat, YouTube, other

7:15

ones too, and Amazon, and

7:17

see what, you know, and

7:20

glean from their

7:22

traffic what they were doing and how they could get

7:24

a competitive advantage. Old story. And

7:26

it's so old. This

7:29

is what a meta spokesperson said. The

7:31

plaintiff's claims are baseless and completely irrelevant to

7:33

the case. Nothing new here. Continuing

7:37

that the issue was reported on years ago. Okay.

7:41

Just because you did it a long time ago still

7:43

doesn't make it not bad. Yes. Still

7:45

doesn't mean you shouldn't be punished for it. Yes.

7:48

Unbelievable. I'm sorry. I killed all

7:50

those kids 10 years ago. Ah, it's old news. By

7:54

the way, just, I mean, of course, obviously people

7:56

in Dublin, they don't pay attention, but you have

7:58

a company. We

8:01

all know they do horrible, horrible things. And

8:03

then you decide to go ahead and use

8:06

their VPN software? Yeah, you kind

8:08

of deserve that one. I mean, come on! Yeah.

8:12

What the fuck were you thinking? Yeah.

8:14

Of course, Meta's VPN is going to

8:16

do something really bad, because

8:19

everything Meta releases does something really

8:21

bad. Really bad. Yeah. I

8:24

think we said that at the same time when

8:26

the story first came out. I think so too. It's

8:28

like, who would use this? Yeah. Why

8:31

would you use any other product

8:33

of theirs? Like, I get that,

8:35

you know, we're all in this Facebook world now. Well,

8:37

not everybody, but a lot of people use Facebook, and

8:39

a lot of people use Instagram, and a lot of

8:41

people use Telegram, and all

8:43

the other things that Meta owns. But

8:45

a VPN? Why? Why would you do

8:48

that to yourself? Well, here's the fun

8:50

part. That led to the revelation from

8:52

the Unfield document that Meta

8:56

back then, Facebook, was in bed

8:58

with Netflix. Netflix

9:01

is a major advertiser on Facebook.

9:04

To the tune of about $200 million a year. Facebook

9:07

thought that, well, since everybody else is

9:10

doing this streaming video thing, we should

9:12

do so they created Facebook Watch. I

9:14

remember. With a $750 billion budget. $750

9:19

billion is what they're spending on

9:22

their stupid headsets. The $750 million was the budget for

9:24

Facebook Watch. Right.

9:28

So they ended up killing Facebook Watch

9:30

because it was going to take away

9:32

from their advertising revenue, which was a

9:34

guarantee from Netflix. And

9:36

at the same time, they were giving

9:38

Netflix access to all of the data

9:41

from Facebook's users about Netflix. Yeah,

9:44

this kind of goes back to everything Facebook

9:47

touches is evil. Yes, I agree. I think

9:49

so as well. All

9:52

right. So I had a very interesting experience with

9:54

Facebook this week. My

9:56

usage has declined tons, but I

9:58

still post occasions. And I still

10:01

occasionally managed to see a friend's update every now and

10:03

then in between all the ads and everything else

10:05

But you know, I'm still on Facebook as it was

10:07

and I've always been a proponent of When

10:10

it works properly which it hasn't for years. It

10:12

was it's a good thing. But I

10:15

was having a moment I probably had a glass or two

10:17

of wine and I was getting a little cranky as we

10:19

do otherwise we wouldn't be doing a podcast called grumpy old

10:21

geeks and I was a I was

10:23

fired up and I was gonna I was writing a post I

10:26

was writing a post about how Now

10:28

I'm terrified to accidentally click on any ad

10:30

because that means that's all I'm gonna be

10:32

served in this stupid platform ever again Even

10:34

though I don't care about whatever stupid ad

10:36

I just accidentally clicked on but now that's

10:38

my entire life online for the next two weeks And

10:41

I went to hit like today or post or whatever

10:44

and I got the your post is being processed We

10:47

will notify you when it's ready to post That's

10:51

new now

10:54

The clock thickens. Yes, I go look at

10:57

my timeline Blank entry

10:59

just no text. It shows that

11:01

I've done an update but there's no text. Hmm I

11:04

try to post again just something normal

11:06

like hey watching a soccer game Your

11:09

post is being processed. You'll be notified

11:11

when it's ready Same

11:14

thing I think okay.

11:16

All right, whatever. All right Not

11:19

in my mind thinking that oh they might

11:21

have read what used to use their machine

11:23

algorithms to see what I was posting and

11:25

Not being happy about it. I

11:27

didn't think that at all. I was like, okay

11:29

Well, I'm using Facebook purity on this plug-in on

11:31

this browser Let me I'll log in on on

11:33

Google Chrome and I'll try posting from

11:36

there same thing Okay, I

11:38

will try I run through

11:40

all the browsers on my machine Cannot make

11:42

a post keep getting the message that my

11:44

post is being processed and I'll be notified

11:46

when it's ready Every single post

11:48

is showing up blank. No text. No,

11:50

nothing Try my phone

11:52

phone works fine Enjoy my

11:55

iPad iPad works fine My

11:57

I cannot and I still cannot post from

11:59

my. The computer on Facebook. no matter

12:01

what browser I use they didn't do

12:04

like an account fan. But. They

12:06

seem to have done like a device fan. I

12:08

can't think of any other reason those go with the

12:10

new. Any other reason to explain this. Yeah.

12:13

I think they've I think they fingerprinted your

12:15

Mac address. Yep, because that is the one

12:17

thing is going to remain stable with that

12:19

machines are you wouldn't by chance happen have

12:21

Parallels installed on the computer Would you know?

12:23

I don't. Ah One of the great features

12:25

of Parallels as you can go in and

12:27

create a unique disposable Mac address. Ah so

12:29

you can tell you could test from the

12:32

same machine and just changed the Mac address

12:34

and see if that with it would let

12:36

you post that way. Now in

12:38

Tampa might have to give that ago because

12:40

you know this is what we do. We

12:42

talk about the sort of stuff and Alice

12:44

happened to me who three? I don't think

12:46

it's really interesting. I've been banned because I've

12:48

made a post that was kind of complaining

12:50

about their stupid algorithms. Well you know they

12:52

are becoming sense in faster than we thought

12:54

This they are. I should apologize. For

12:57

that, I've. Asked?

12:59

So another crappy. Our services news Met

13:01

and Google are facing claims of restricting

13:03

reproductive health ads and feeling misinformation and

13:06

a half Asia, Africa and Latin America

13:08

and Esi Reproductive Choices in the Center

13:10

for Countering Digital Hate which Parker on

13:13

the record claim that the companies have

13:15

restricted local abortion providers and allowed misinformation

13:17

to fester among other. This. Doings:

13:20

women and girls are being neglected by these

13:22

major tech platforms were putting their bottom lines

13:24

above the public. Good said with the Tin

13:26

Can. Little boy. Of. A

13:28

long one. Now I understand when people grew up mining.

13:32

The to Nog when a of marketing

13:34

specialist at Amazon Reproductive Choices said the

13:36

statements. So this is about the accurate

13:38

online information is a lifeline for those

13:40

seeking timely care and facts about their

13:42

reproductive options. Yet anti choice groups are

13:44

able to spread disinformation in toxic narratives

13:46

online with impunity. What is worse, Platforms

13:48

like Google and Men are currently enabling

13:50

and profiting from this dangerous propaganda. So

13:53

yeah, Nothing. New there. What? are

13:55

they think they are the supreme

13:57

court i guess so and and

13:59

another report that came out, anti-trans

14:01

hate is widespread on Facebook, Instagram,

14:03

and threads. Okay. Surprising

14:06

there. This is a new report from

14:08

Vlad and they're basically saying meta is

14:10

failing to enforce its own rules against

14:12

anti-trans hate speech on this platform. They

14:15

found that extreme anti-trans hate content

14:17

remains widespread across all their platforms.

14:20

The report documents dozens of examples of hate speech from

14:22

meta's app, which Vlad says were reported to the company

14:24

between June 2023 and March 2024. And although the posts

14:26

appear to be clear

14:29

violations of the company's own policies, meta either

14:32

replied that the posts were not volatile or

14:34

simply did not take action on them. So

14:37

nobody's home. They

14:39

have to send it to that stupid... Yeah, the

14:41

advisory board will then say, hey you guys, you're

14:43

not following your own policies and meta will go

14:45

and... And shut

14:48

up and go spend our money and leave us

14:50

alone. Exactly. So Twitter, Twitter

14:53

is a broke-ass motherfucker. So

14:57

what's it gonna do now, Brian, when

14:59

you need money online? Turn

15:01

to porn. Oh, reliable.

15:05

Yeah. Have you ever played with the

15:07

Twitter communities feature? No. I

15:10

joined like three or four communities,

15:12

a couple hacker communities and some

15:15

other one I can't even remember. I can't remember because

15:18

communities are dumb.

15:20

Just like

15:22

a group a bunch of different people's

15:24

tweets into... No, it actually

15:26

is kind of like a, you know,

15:28

a little private forum but the UX

15:30

is so terrible it's hard to make

15:32

heads or tails of what's going on.

15:34

It's a really, it's a foster-cluck

15:36

of a feature. It's really terrible

15:39

but what Twitter is exploring now

15:41

is the addition or the ability,

15:43

I should say, to create NSFW

15:46

communities because,

15:48

you know, they need

15:50

money. Yeah. And Twitter has become

15:52

a vital platform for online sex workers

15:54

to do it to its lenient policy

15:56

on adult content. Right. Yeah.

15:58

Probably, of course. course in violation

16:00

of their own rules. No,

16:03

we don't have to follow our own rules. That's

16:05

what we've learned about all these companies. Right,

16:08

right. Elon just sends you a poop

16:10

emoji because he's into the German Shisepon.

16:13

It's the most popular community on Twitter.

16:16

Yes. Twitter does remain

16:18

cautious about adult content monetization

16:20

though due to challenges in

16:22

detecting non-consensual content. No

16:24

mention of copyright either in there, by the way. We're

16:26

not going to do anything with that. No,

16:29

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

16:31

no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, just go out. They

16:33

should go have a talk with Pornhub right now. They're

16:35

not doing too well. Maybe they can get together and

16:38

come back with a super brand. Right. Triple

16:40

X. They can get together with

16:42

True Social too. Oh, yeah. Come on, let's get

16:45

all the baddies together. Oh, God.

16:47

I'll talk about them in a second. Another

16:50

bit of Twitter news has come out, and this

16:52

one is just hilarious. Twitter

16:55

for years has a lawsuit against

16:57

the US government asking for more

17:00

transparency on their surveillance practices because

17:03

they keep getting all these requests for user data

17:05

and things like that. Well,

17:08

turns out, turns out, Twitter

17:11

basically sells its fire hose of

17:13

data to a surveillance firm called

17:15

Data Miner. It's right there on the

17:17

tin what they do. There's no denying

17:19

who they're selling their data to. Data

17:22

Miner is basically just a front for

17:24

the government. The

17:28

fire hose goes to Data Miner. Data

17:30

Miner has alerts set up for basically

17:32

all law enforcement that wants to subscribe

17:34

to it and then sends them

17:36

alerts on things that they're searching for. Right.

17:40

They just get ahead of the game right there. So, suing

17:42

the government because we sold the data to the company that

17:44

gives it to the government? Kind of,

17:46

yeah. Okay, just checking. Yeah, right

17:48

hand, left hand. I'll introduce you to. Yeah,

17:52

and they're saying it's, well, since

17:55

this is kind of an arm's length transaction,

17:58

there's no law being broken here. It's

18:00

just business as usual. It's the same thing

18:02

we've talked about, about cell phone records and

18:04

all data miners and data brokers. It's

18:07

just funny that Twitter is trying to put up

18:09

a front by saying, Oh, we're going to sue

18:11

the government because they're, they're just wrong. Wrong. E.

18:13

McRungenstein. Well, turns

18:16

out, turns out you're getting paid to give

18:18

them that data. So yeah. Well,

18:21

the FTC is close to wrapping up

18:23

a multi-year investigation into TikTok, which could

18:25

result in a lawsuit or major fine,

18:27

according to Politico. The investigation is reportedly

18:29

centered around the app's privacy and security

18:31

practices, which are zero, including

18:34

its handling of children's user data. According

18:36

to Politico, the FTC is looking into

18:38

potential violations of the COPA act, as

18:40

well as allegations that the company misled

18:42

its users by stating falsely that individuals

18:44

in China do not have access to

18:46

U.S. user data. They can be

18:48

penalized for violating the terms of its 2019 settlement with regulators

18:51

over data privacy. And of course, all this is

18:53

going on as there is still the continued push

18:55

to have TikTok

18:57

divest and become a U.S.

18:59

company or get shut down. So TikTok is

19:01

not having the best couple months. No,

19:04

they haven't been having the best couple of years. At

19:07

least as far as on that front, I think

19:09

as far as growth and monetization going to inject.

19:11

Fine. It's been great. Thanks for

19:14

the free press, FTC. Appreciate it.

19:16

And a little news from my neck of

19:19

the woods. Now that I live in Toronto,

19:21

Ontario, four major Ontario school boards are taking

19:23

some of the largest social media companies to

19:25

court over their products, alleging the way they

19:28

designed is negatively rewired the way children think,

19:30

behave and learn and disrupted the way schools

19:32

operate. This includes the public district school board

19:34

here in Toronto that my kid is part of and a

19:36

couple other ones. And they're looking for $4.5 billion

19:39

in total damages from meta, snap,

19:42

fight dance, and basically everybody else

19:44

ever. So now is that 4.5

19:46

billion U.S. or

19:49

4.5 billion Canadian? There's a difference.

19:51

It's Canadian. So 20 bucks. Yeah.

19:55

They say these social media companies have knowingly

19:57

created a product that is addictive and is

19:59

marketed. to kids and they're

20:02

not wrong. We need them to be

20:04

held accountable and we need for them to create safer

20:06

products. And that's not going to happen. No, it's not

20:08

going to happen, but there's a big push kind of

20:10

happening all over the place about

20:12

this stuff. And I think we'll talk about that

20:15

a little bit in the app library. If I'm

20:17

not, we will. So quite a bit. Yes. And

20:19

I have a little bit of more local news.

20:22

Uh, just Dan, Dan wrote in and he obviously

20:24

must be Canadian seems there might be room for

20:26

regulation on data roaming. My mistake. I forgot to

20:28

put my phone in airplane mode. My last drive

20:30

to the USA until our first stop, 208 megabytes, $1,234

20:32

and 31 cents Canadian

20:37

1500 with tax kind of feels

20:39

like highway robbery. Um,

20:42

no, no, Dan, that's information super highway

20:44

robbery. Yes, it is. Uh, yeah, it's

20:46

well known. Well known that, uh, you

20:49

know, obviously the Canadian

20:51

companies here, the mobile companies are

20:53

incredibly expensive to begin with and the roaming

20:55

is just kill you. Little secret

20:57

here, Dan, and I almost don't want to say this

20:59

because it might go away. Next

21:01

time you cross the border, go get

21:03

yourself a Verizon phone. I pay 80

21:06

bucks a month, all in us dollars.

21:08

I can use it streaming unlimited here in Canada.

21:10

I was actually going to get a Canadian cell

21:13

phone, but why bother now? I can pay 80

21:15

bucks and I can use my phone in the

21:17

US and Canada unlimited. No,

21:19

no, no, anything. So you might want

21:21

to try that. 80

21:24

bucks unlimited, unlimited. Shit.

21:26

I need one of those unlimited

21:29

in Canada, unlimited in the US. It's

21:32

fucking phenomenal. I feel like I've won the lottery with

21:34

my phone. Now I just said it. So we might

21:36

need to edit this out because maybe Verizon fucked up.

21:41

Yeah, seriously. I'm going to go get one

21:43

of those before I post this. Cause

21:46

I think I'm paying 160 bucks a month for

21:48

mine. Damn. AT&T

21:51

baby. AT&T. Here's

21:54

some interesting news in a significant case

21:56

highlighting potential biases in artificial intelligence systems.

22:00

Teresa Monjung, a black UberEats

22:02

courier received a payout from

22:04

Uber following accusations of racial

22:06

discrimination. This stems from

22:08

repeated failures of Uber's facial

22:10

recognition technology developed by Microsoft

22:12

to correctly identify him, leading

22:15

to his account suspension and

22:17

termination. This incident dating

22:19

back to Uber, when Uber implemented the

22:21

real-time ID check in the UK, which

22:23

was April 2020. So

22:25

April 2020, that was before there

22:28

was any AI talk. Guys,

22:30

there's no AI there. Sorry. Sorry.

22:33

No fucking AI. So basically, the UK law is

22:35

a little bit behind the times, but they're finally

22:37

getting caught up. It took them a

22:39

couple of years. But yeah, finally,

22:41

I got some cash for it. So

22:44

what it was, was he kept

22:46

trying to log into his account. But

22:49

since we know Microsoft facial recognition

22:51

really sucks at black people, it was

22:54

mislabeling. I'm saying, this is not you.

22:56

This is not you. This is not

22:58

you. And finally, banned his account for

23:01

repeated failed attempts. Right. So

23:03

yeah. Nice one, guys.

23:06

Nice one. Nice one. So

23:10

let's talk about Truth Social for a second. There's

23:14

a lot of articles flipping around. I put a couple of

23:16

them here in the show notes. You

23:20

can go check them out at your leisure. But the

23:22

long and the short of it is, if

23:24

you invest in Truth Social, don't expect to get your

23:27

money back at all. The

23:30

stock popped on day one.

23:32

It then decided to un-pop. And

23:34

it's going to continue to un-pop. The

23:38

issue here right now is that the

23:42

board at Truth Social is basically

23:44

made up of family members of

23:46

Trump and confidants.

23:50

What they originally were thinking was, okay, Trump can get

23:52

a windfall from this, but he can't sell his stock

23:54

for six months. Well,

23:56

the board can vote to change that. And he

23:59

can pull it out. his money out whenever he

24:01

wants. Better do it tomorrow. Yeah,

24:04

it's probably in the works right now. I'd

24:06

imagine so. Yeah, so all of

24:09

the retail investors, the mom and pops who wanted

24:11

to support the big donster, put in their money

24:13

and they're just going to get taken to the

24:15

bank. They should have just invested in crypto.

24:19

It's about the same. Nowadays, they'll

24:22

get a better return. If their goal

24:24

is to support the Donald, they certainly

24:26

have done so. Yes, they would

24:28

have donated to his campaign, but then he could have, he

24:30

can only use that money for certain things. So I guess

24:32

if he gets it this way, he can use it or,

24:34

oh, I don't know all the different finds that he owes

24:37

right now. Yeah, yep. Great.

24:39

Back those bonds that he needs. Oh,

24:42

but he doesn't have a Bible company now. So I

24:44

don't know if you saw that

24:46

one. Oh, I saw. It's just I've given

24:48

up. Like there's just no, there's no end

24:51

to the hypocrisy. It's

24:53

bottom. It's absolutely bottomless. So,

24:56

I'm not sure if you did buy into

24:58

a true social, you might want to consider

25:00

divesting pretty soon. I

25:03

think it was at about 62 bucks

25:05

last night from a peak

25:07

of almost 80. Right. So, and I'm guessing.

25:11

There's no business there. No, it's

25:13

like trading on 1500 times earnings. Yeah. There's

25:21

something ridiculous like that. Yeah. No,

25:24

it's beyond belief. Beyond belief.

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impact now

26:54

we talked about Ghostbusters already in the show with

26:56

Facebook I don't know if

26:58

you've noticed Brian there's a new Ghostbusters movie out I've

27:01

noticed I've heard it's quite good it's delightful

27:03

did you see it yes

27:05

it's absolutely delightful oh nice

27:08

yeah all right I got it I am

27:10

a fan I am an absolute fan I

27:12

thought the first the first reboot one wasn't

27:15

so bad it wasn't

27:17

great but it wasn't bad but that's great

27:19

to hear that they're actually rebuilding a franchise

27:21

again they are yeah it's it's you know

27:23

it builds on the last one and I

27:25

thought the last one was decent this one's

27:28

better you know wow so moving on up

27:31

excellent yeah definitely

27:33

recommend it the three-body

27:35

problem did you finish that yet I

27:38

have not I've gotten three episodes

27:40

into the three-body problem okay mixed

27:44

reviews coming from the three-body problem

27:46

yeah well I mean it's mixed

27:49

reviews about the three-body books and this is

27:51

the series is obviously you know it's kids

27:53

combining bits from all the books I don't

27:55

think that you know they're gonna do one

27:57

wrapped up story here I guess but I

28:00

don't know. I'm not really enjoying it to be honest. I

28:04

don't know if that gets better or worse depending

28:06

on your point of view. There's some interesting stuff

28:09

around episode 5. It's pretty incredible just

28:11

to watch. There's a lot of 6

28:13

and 7 that I ended up fast

28:15

forwarding because it was just relationship crap

28:17

that I didn't care about at all.

28:19

Right. And

28:22

episode 8 was okay. The

28:26

thing is, the people that I'm hearing who really liked it

28:28

are people who have never heard of the book. Right.

28:32

It's the foundationification

28:34

of the three-body problem,

28:36

which is probably a good thing because I was

28:40

telling a friend who was texting me about it, saying, Man,

28:42

this is great. This is really fun. And

28:45

I'm like, yeah, you obviously didn't

28:47

read the books because you're not screaming at

28:49

the television going, Where's my favorite characters? What

28:51

happened to them? Who

28:53

are these people? What is this story? What the

28:55

fuck? But he's

28:58

like, yeah, I guess I am. I'm going to go back to

29:00

watching it now because I'm enjoying it. Now shut up and leave

29:02

me alone. Let me enjoy

29:04

my crap, damn it. Yeah. So I

29:06

mean, I finished the whole thing in three days and

29:09

I was left with, I'll keep watching it.

29:12

It's not great, but it's not terrible. Okay.

29:16

Yeah. I just think that

29:18

some of the relationship dynamics and stuff were a filler,

29:21

just absolute filler. So didn't

29:24

need those. But yeah, if

29:27

they make some more, I'll probably pick

29:29

it up. But it's definitely not the

29:31

knockdown drag out blockbuster that I

29:34

think everybody was expecting. Yeah, it's not the new

29:36

Game of Thrones, that's for sure. Well,

29:39

it kind of is because it's probably going to have a

29:41

terrible ending. I think that's pretty safe to say. Yeah. Yeah,

29:44

I just find like, I know it's there.

29:47

Apple TV tells me it's there and I should

29:49

continue watching. I just, my finger hovers over it

29:51

and moves on. Well, hopefully it

29:53

moves on to The Gentleman by Guy Ritchie. I

29:56

watched the trailers for this. I want to watch it. Dude.

30:00

It is such a sharp, sharp contrast

30:02

to the three body problem, which is

30:04

all graphics, like, you know, CGI and

30:06

all this crap. Then you go to

30:08

the gentleman. It is a character and

30:10

story driven eight episodes

30:12

that are fucking phenomenal. Okay.

30:15

It was so good. So

30:17

good. We actually had to stop and like, you

30:20

know, pace it because it was like, okay, no,

30:22

no, no, we can't do because it's so good.

30:24

It is really, really good. I

30:26

mean, I love Guy Ritchie movies. This is like

30:29

having eight Guy Ritchie movies at your fingertips. And

30:31

it's one great story that he could tell properly,

30:33

you know, because a lot of Guy Ritchie movies

30:35

are kind of run together to the big run

30:38

up at the end. Yeah. You know, where all

30:40

this shit kind of culminates and coalesces into this

30:42

ball of craziness and violence and all that stuff.

30:45

So you have a lot of that is great. I

30:48

love it. I can't wait to watch it. I'm definitely

30:50

looking forward to it. It's, it's on the list. Um,

30:52

one of the reasons I haven't gotten to it is

30:54

I'm still finishing Better Call Saul. I just watched the

30:56

penultimate episode. Boy, does that

30:58

show get sad. I forgot how sad

31:01

it was, but, uh, yeah, I've got

31:03

the last episode to go, which I'll

31:05

probably watch tonight. So enjoy. Yep. Yep.

31:07

Enjoy. And I have been

31:09

dipping my toes back into constellation. I've watched,

31:11

I believe four episodes now and I'm actually

31:13

really enjoying it. Okay. I

31:17

I'm stuck in episode seven. All

31:20

right. I, my, my finger is the

31:22

same problem. I had the hover problem. I'm

31:24

like, do I want to spend the

31:26

last hour of the night on that? No,

31:28

that's what it comes down to. I'm

31:32

curious if you finish it, what your thoughts are on

31:34

it. Okay. I'm definitely good. Your thoughts

31:36

are when you finish it. I'm going

31:38

to finish it for sure. I'm into it enough

31:41

to keep going. Um,

31:43

all right, Jason, there's a new podcast network in

31:45

town. Oh, great. Just what I

31:47

fucking need. Well, you know, maybe, maybe they'll give us

31:49

a million dollars for a show. And

31:52

I doubt it because it's Bill Mark. Great.

31:56

Yes. Bill Maher is running a podcast

31:58

network now club random. Studios. He's

32:01

announced two shows that will be on his

32:03

new podcast network besides his own show, obviously.

32:07

Are you ready for this one? I'm ready. Hit

32:09

me. Fred Durst and Billy

32:11

Corgan. Oh, two of the

32:13

greatest people of all time. The Limp

32:15

Biscuit singer will discuss UFOs and conspiracy

32:17

theories. Yeah, probably going to

32:19

make a gazillion dollars on that. While

32:22

Billy Corgan's focus has

32:24

not been specified, which I think is

32:28

safe to say about Billy Corgan for his

32:30

whole career, his focus has not been specified.

32:33

Yeah, yeah. Since he got

32:35

all woo woo at that tea shop in

32:37

Chicago, I bet it'll be tea and meditation.

32:39

Yeah, maybe some wrestling or he's not involved

32:41

in that at all. I don't

32:44

know. He fucked over the people I know in wrestling

32:46

so hard. I couldn't care less about him. So no.

32:49

All right. Well, there you go. Three

32:51

people I actively dislike. So I

32:54

think I'll be passing on all of those. But

32:56

you're a Bill Maher fan, so are you going

32:58

to tune in to Bill's show? No, no. I

33:01

like real time if it has interesting guests.

33:04

That's it. Okay.

33:06

Okay. Anybody

33:09

can have a podcast. Speaking of anybody that can have

33:11

a podcast. Episode

33:14

two of Schmacktors with James Marsters and Mark

33:16

Devine, a show that I co-produce,

33:19

is out. So check out episode two.

33:21

If you can,

33:24

please, pretty please. Rate,

33:26

review, subscribe. Mash that

33:28

like button. Yep. Mash

33:30

that button, baby. Please. Link

33:34

is in the show notes. Just saying. You

33:37

got nothing else to do. Come on. 28 minutes of

33:39

fun. All

33:41

right. I was briefly singing the

33:43

praises of Verizon earlier. Now I will sing

33:45

the praises of T-Mobile, mostly because I personally

33:47

am not a customer of them, but my

33:49

wife gets her phone through her work through

33:52

T-Mobile. So she is. Yesterday

33:54

was opening day for baseball. I'm a big

33:56

fan of baseball. And one of the perks

33:58

of being a T-Mobile customer. is you

34:00

get one free year of MLB TV. Every

34:03

year they've done this eight years in a row running

34:05

that right now. So that's a, if

34:07

you're a baseball fan that costs you 150 bucks a year and

34:10

you get it basically for free if you're on

34:12

T-Mobile which is pretty nice. And they've extended that

34:14

deal through 2028. You

34:17

get to watch all out of market regular

34:19

season games and select spring training games. And

34:21

of course there are block out restrictions which

34:23

there shouldn't be. If you're

34:25

paying 150 bucks for a streaming service

34:28

I called it MLB TV, but hey,

34:30

use that Facebook VPN and

34:33

you can get right around those blackout restrictions.

34:36

Perfect. So

34:38

there you go. I wonder if you can get a

34:40

T-Mobile account for under $30 a month and then come

34:43

out ahead. Maybe, who knows?

34:45

It'd be worth it just for that. I think they

34:48

do the restrictions where you have to have certain levels

34:50

of account to be able to do it. I can't

34:52

remember. All I know is thanks to my wife and

34:54

Universal Music I get free MLB TV every year. And

34:57

a house to live in. Podcasting

35:01

gig ain't cutting it. It ain't cutting it.

35:04

Does she have a sister? Two of

35:07

them. Hook a brother

35:09

up. Well, they're not lawyers. We can, oh

35:11

shit. Damn it. I

35:15

think the last time I had a T-Mobile account was

35:17

when I had my danger sidekick. God,

35:19

I love those phones. They were so great. They

35:21

were so great. Okay,

35:24

so because we mentioned this last episode and now

35:26

I feel fucking old, Heathers

35:29

has been out for, it was released on March 31st,

35:32

1989. In

35:35

two days, that will be 35 years. Look

35:38

now, one of the few things I get

35:41

from Facebook in my feed is like I

35:43

subscribe to a lot of different like music

35:45

sites like Consequence and the Alt Nation and

35:48

other things like that. My

35:50

feed is a constant stream of

35:52

I'm old. It's 30 years ago.

35:54

Jesus and Mary Jane released Sidewinder.

35:56

35 years ago, the Cure released this integration.

35:58

44 years ago. ago, like yours

36:00

the forest was really that's all my feet

36:03

is oh my god you might

36:05

want to unsubscribe to that one just for your mental

36:07

health i know or

36:09

your existential health at least world

36:12

yeah i tell you what though it's

36:14

still got legs so actually i just

36:16

saw this morning 30 years ago today

36:18

the crow soundtrack was released oh

36:21

my god i saw that this

36:23

morning i forgot about that wow

36:26

okay yeah okay

36:31

i'm just gonna go crawl at a ball and

36:33

turn to dust you can't crawl into a ball

36:35

you're old and your bones don't bend that way

36:37

anymore they don't they actually don't bend that way

36:39

i'm gonna lie in a very crooked position and

36:44

turn to dust yeah all

36:48

right um so yeah if you got a chance

36:50

go check it out if you haven't seen it

36:52

ever or in a while it's great it is

36:54

great um i saw this article

36:56

called the future of star trek from starf elite

37:00

academy to new movies and michelle yo how the

37:02

58 year old franchise is planning for the next

37:04

generation of fans so this

37:06

is a big article over at variety

37:08

yeah uh it's got interesting artwork

37:10

that needs some work uh

37:13

there's no gal ron it's i mean it's a

37:15

gazillion characters from star trek it is a where's

37:17

waldo of star trek but there's

37:20

no gal ron which which saddens me

37:23

and riker is tiny compared to new

37:25

spock and in michelle it's like what

37:27

the hell rikers that guy

37:29

should be front and center for all of it since he's been

37:31

in most of them he's been in everything that's true i like

37:34

this article because it's some of the first screenshots

37:36

i've seen of section 31 which i was starting

37:38

to wonder is is that actually ever even going

37:40

to come out it's wrapped yeah they

37:42

just had a wrap party here in toronto and

37:45

some of the uh next uh the next uh

37:47

what's the god damn it what's the new

37:49

show that we all like strange new world strange new

37:51

world half of that cast was there too and i

37:53

was like uh they're just down the street from me

37:56

somewhere gotta find a stock

37:59

stock stock Doc, Doc, Doc, Doc, Doc.

38:02

Here, I am like a 50-year-old man. Hi,

38:05

I like you. Your show

38:07

is great. Yeah, well,

38:09

according to the article and according to Jonathan

38:11

Frakes, that's the problem with Star Trek right now

38:13

is there's a bunch of old white dudes like

38:15

us who are fans. They're like, we

38:17

need new blood. Old white dudes,

38:19

always the problem. Yeah, pretty much.

38:23

Pretty much. So, it'll be interesting.

38:25

I can't wait for Section

38:27

31 to come out. They have been

38:29

filming Strange New Worlds and Jonathan Frakes said that one

38:31

of the episodes is the best thing he's ever done

38:33

on TV, so I can't wait for

38:36

that. Even better than in Search of

38:56

the World. They

39:00

are still trying to get another movie done with

39:02

the Chris Pine brand. Yeah,

39:05

let it go. Seriously,

39:07

you know, it's been too long.

39:10

It's been too long. They weren't that great. Yeah,

39:13

the first movie was decent. Then they

39:15

lost Chekov in the middle of it, you know,

39:17

so it's like, and then the last one was

39:19

just like, what the hell? I literally fell asleep

39:21

in the theater on that last one. Was

39:23

that the, it's not con? It's not con? It's

39:26

con. Yeah, pretty much. That's what

39:28

they're marketing for. I want a fucking load of

39:30

shit. Yeah, anyway. Moving

39:33

on. Cops and

39:35

doodads. Adobe.

39:39

I have a problem with Adobe this

39:41

week. Me too. You

39:43

first. Okay. So, I was

39:46

paying $55 a month for the All You Can Eat package. Yep.

39:48

So, I get all the apps and all the doodads and

39:50

googads and all that crap with it. And they say, well,

39:53

hey, here's a little note for you. We're just going to

39:55

charge you $5 more a month. So,

39:57

it's going to bring it up to almost $60 a month. for

40:00

a bunch of apps that I don't use. So

40:02

I said, let me go. I

40:04

seem to remember a long time ago, there

40:06

was an alicart option. So I

40:08

went and I looked. There's a photographer's

40:10

package, which gives you Photoshop, Lightroom, and

40:13

something else. All

40:15

I care about is Photoshop and Lightroom Classic. Those

40:17

are the only two that I actively use on

40:20

any given day. Every now and again,

40:22

I need Illustrator for something, but I'm like, there

40:24

are workarounds for that. It's definitely a workaround when

40:26

you're going to be paying $60 a month. So

40:30

I got mine down to $1999 a month for the apps

40:32

that I want. Perfect.

40:36

Which still works out to $240 a year, which

40:40

if you think about the old days when you

40:42

had to upgrade the software in the box, I'm

40:45

okay with that because that

40:47

works out to be about the same. Paying $720 a

40:49

year is a big difference. So

40:54

I'm down for the shift. So thanks

40:57

for raising your price, Adobe. You just saved me

40:59

a lot of money. Yeah. So

41:01

let me ask you, as an individual user, when

41:03

you went to downgrade your package, were you able

41:06

to do that manually? Yes. Well,

41:08

guess what you can't do if you're a corporate user?

41:11

Downgrade manually? I had to do

41:14

this for my company. We had some personnel changes.

41:16

So there were two packages. One was just a

41:18

Photoshop package and one was the all-in package. I

41:20

had to basically get right up. We didn't need

41:22

those two subscriptions anymore. We had a bunch of

41:25

other ones still. They're making lots of money from

41:27

me. You go into the

41:29

enterprise solution to try to downgrade a

41:31

package or remove anything. No

41:34

buttons for it. You have to go to chat. Oh

41:37

my God. So they have basically taken

41:39

the SiriusXM model, which I've ranted about

41:41

on this show many a time. They

41:43

make it impossible, impossible for you

41:46

to do this without talking to someone. When you

41:48

start talking to someone, you get the upsells, you

41:50

get the discounts, you get the blah, blah, blah,

41:52

blah. You have to spend almost an hour talking

41:54

to someone, and then finally I'm just like, can

41:57

you remove these or not? Because if not, we're going to cancel.

42:00

all of this. I

42:02

don't care if it takes my company down. I

42:05

got so upset. So

42:07

yeah, they basically just enshitified the entire

42:10

process of downgrading. You can add things,

42:12

piece of cake. You can add those

42:14

completely without anybody involved. You just click

42:16

a button and boom, you're paying more.

42:18

But if you try to remove anything,

42:21

you have to go through their customer service. They've

42:23

got their script. You have to jump through 7,000

42:26

hoops, and then finally they will take a product

42:28

off of your thing. It's like

42:30

a Chinese finger puzzle. You can keep

42:32

going in, but you can't get out.

42:34

Yep. It's absolutely infuriating that they're doing

42:36

this as a major company that they

42:38

are. It's infuriating. Fuck

42:41

you, Adobe. I'm

42:43

just looking at the price difference here for the enterprise version

42:45

for the same thing I was getting. Yours is 111.99 Canadian,

42:47

and mine was 54.99 US. And I don't think there's that

42:54

much of a discrepancy in the exchange

42:56

rate at this point. No,

42:59

there's not. Canadian pricing tends to be

43:01

higher anyways. It's not just healthcare and

43:06

all that sort of shit. Yeah. Oh,

43:09

well. I'm sorry that you had to go through

43:11

that. It's just you think Adobe

43:13

is not that bad of a company. It

43:16

shouldn't be. It's not the price. Well,

43:18

I don't have any illusions anymore, or

43:20

any illustrations even. Any

43:22

illustrators. Nothing. Okay,

43:26

moving on. I saw this

43:28

one. Google says Apple is bringing RCS to

43:30

the iPhone in the fall of 2024. Okay.

43:34

So RCS is the rich communication

43:36

services, which would kind of

43:38

bring them up to parity for

43:40

their instant messaging stuff. And

43:43

this is part of the lawsuit that Apple is fighting here

43:45

in the US right now. And they say, they're like, well,

43:47

we were going to do it. We said we were going

43:49

to do it. We're going to do it. Finally

43:52

coming to pass. I'm just wondering if the bubbles

43:55

are still going to be green. I

43:57

want them to be green. ashamed

44:00

to say this Brian but I'm a devices

44:05

well no shit I I have an active disdain

44:09

for my friends that have an Android phone

44:11

and I can't help it it's not

44:14

that I want to be it's just how I was raised

44:16

look I agree I'm with you I do want

44:20

RCS to come in because I want this to fix

44:22

the texting from my laptop to Android

44:25

screwing up all the time requiring these the signing

44:27

out of and text back

44:29

to an Android yeah that is so so

44:33

like how can they have not

44:35

fixed that yet I've got

44:37

it working on two computers out of

44:39

my five so mine

44:42

usually works for two to three days and

44:44

then by day four I've got to go

44:47

through the whole fucking process it out yeah

44:49

yeah no it is a fuster clunk so

44:51

they're saying it's gonna be they don't know

44:53

if it's gonna be in iOS 18 when

44:55

it launches or in an update but probably

44:58

an update yeah the way things are going with

45:00

them Apple's just I haven't been

45:02

really that great with these software updates lately

45:04

the new 14 for update

45:07

or whatever the 18 for I can't even remember

45:10

whatever the Mac OS update was broke

45:12

so many things it's ridiculous so yeah

45:15

we'll see how this comes out but I you

45:17

know it's a move in the right direction but

45:19

I still want my green bubbles oh

45:22

they can't get rid of that it's such a mean

45:24

such a thing I know but it's part of the

45:26

lawsuit so they might who knows well can they make

45:29

them purple I'm down

45:31

with that as long as they're not the same color

45:33

I don't care we got to read that fine print

45:35

their Apple on that lawsuit yeah seriously all right

45:38

YouTube revealed that it's short for

45:40

video service shorts now boasts over

45:43

70 billion views

45:45

daily which is a lot

45:48

kind of a lot man that those

45:50

quibi guys are sitting over in the

45:52

corner going god damn it what

45:55

did we do wrong quibi

46:01

So you know this is their their play

46:03

to try and get tick tock lunch while

46:05

nobody's looking and it seems

46:07

to be working somewhat you know the creators

46:09

are actually getting paid that is the big

46:12

thing. Yeah if any of these

46:14

services would realize if you actually pay the

46:16

creators they will they will use you. But

46:19

yeah what they're getting paid for now

46:21

we'll see how long i'm guessing

46:23

it's going to be going pretty long i mean

46:25

the youtube partner program sixteen years old i can

46:27

drive now right believe it or not. Yeah

46:30

in the in the past three years they

46:32

paid out seventy billion dollars to its contributors

46:34

they could have almost bought two twitters. If

46:37

they if they unionized. Just

46:41

saying yeah that's that's a lot

46:44

of money good pay the

46:46

creators that's what you should be doing yeah

46:48

good luck getting any of that money because

46:50

the so many people on youtube yeah such

46:53

a fight such a fight. Now

46:56

some actual app news mac whisper i've

46:58

talked about that that was the it's

47:01

basically the program that puts a front end

47:03

on the open ais whisper transcription. I

47:06

think i spent thirty bucks on mac whisper pro and

47:09

it paid for itself in spades

47:11

yesterday because i'm working

47:13

with a musician we're putting out

47:15

his first single and right as

47:17

we're getting ready to go there like oh we need the

47:19

lyrics for it. This is like a

47:22

hip hop dance track and i'm

47:24

like oh my god i'm gonna have to sit there

47:26

and write this thing up this is gonna take hours

47:28

and i'm like okay this shouldn't work but

47:31

let's try it and i ran the song

47:33

through mac whisper. There

47:35

were two words wrong in the entire song

47:38

gave me the entire thing

47:40

with the background with everybody

47:43

it was flawless except for those little

47:46

few words. It

47:48

actually did that song better than it does some of

47:50

the podcast that i run through it. Amazing

47:54

well worth it i could not believe that it

47:56

could extract the lyrics from a song where was

47:58

that is it did twenty years. years ago when

48:00

all I was doing was artist websites and putting up

48:02

lyrics for their 15 albums

48:04

was the bane of my existence because nobody

48:07

actually had proper ones, nobody was sure where

48:09

to get them from, the fucking band didn't

48:11

have them, the management didn't have them. Where

48:14

was that damn thing? I know.

48:17

Oh man. It would have been so, but remember when

48:19

we were kids just trying to figure out when you get

48:22

an album and it didn't have liner notes in it

48:24

and you're making up the words in your head and those

48:26

words stick with you for, you know, 30 years? Excuse

48:29

me while I kiss this guy is all I keep

48:31

hearing in my head. Might

48:33

as well be the real song now. Mine

48:37

was Africa by Toto. I

48:40

had the completely, I mean almost every

48:43

word in it was wrong, but

48:45

I had this fantastic story in my head

48:47

and then I read the actual lyrics and

48:49

I'm like, these are- My song's better. My

48:51

song is a thousand times better. I

48:54

should have written down my lyrics before I

48:56

read those lyrics because now I can't remember

48:58

my original lyrics. So it's like, oh, bummer.

49:00

Oh, okay. Moving on here real quick.

49:02

We got to wrap this puppy up. I

49:05

found a great website called whoa.onrender.com, which basically is an API to get

49:07

every whoa that

49:16

Keanu Reeves has ever said in a movie. Now

49:20

that's what the internet's for, people. This

49:22

is what it's for. Yes. It's

49:24

fantastic. Go check it out.

49:27

You can get it back in all sorts of

49:29

different formats. It's got a JSON engine in it.

49:31

It's like, I mean

49:33

seriously, one of those things where chef

49:36

kiss, chef kiss. Very

49:38

nice. Avi Momenko is the

49:40

guy's name. Cheers. Cheers,

49:43

brother. It's perfect. New article

49:45

from Cal Newport called, can AI make plans

49:47

in the New Yorker? It

49:50

is a great breakdown on

49:52

why these large language models

49:54

cannot predict the future of

49:56

the internet because they're not built to. is

50:00

built to are gaming engines. The AIs that

50:02

are learning to play chess and go and

50:04

all those things. Those are predictive engines. They

50:06

can actually predict the future. So it's an

50:08

interesting article about how you can merge those

50:11

two to really fuck up someone's job or

50:13

day. So great.

50:16

Yeah. So it's a great read.

50:18

Cal does great explainers on

50:20

the AI stuff. So definitely

50:23

worth besides being a productivity guy.

50:25

He's also actual and MIT trained

50:27

computer scientists. So many hats.

50:32

And our lovely president

50:34

has ordered every US agency to appoint

50:37

a chief AI officer. Okay.

50:40

Okay. I almost

50:42

have nothing to say on that because it's so fucking

50:44

stupid. See, AI is creating jobs. It

50:47

is. It is. Oh

50:49

God. I thought, you know, we're going to have, we're going

50:51

to have these guys. We're going to have chief AI officers

50:53

and robot mechanics. That's going to be our future. And

50:56

we're all going to be drinking. Bronco. Okay.

51:00

It is a great article over on,

51:02

I think it was just his futurism

51:04

and it's called disillusioned to businesses discovering

51:06

that AI kind of sucks. I've

51:09

been saying this for quite some time now.

51:11

I love this article. You have,

51:13

this is right up your alley. This

51:15

is like, Brian could have, could have

51:17

written this. Yeah.

51:20

I mean, it pretty much straightforward says out,

51:22

you know, all your bosses were saying, use

51:24

AI, use AI, use AI for

51:26

what? It doesn't really help

51:28

us here. We

51:30

just make hamburgers. There's

51:32

a great quote here too. No one wants to build

51:34

a product and a model that makes things up. The

51:37

core problem is that Gen AI models

51:39

are not information retrieval systems. They're synthesizing

51:42

systems with no ability to discern from

51:44

data. It's trained on unless significant guardrails

51:46

are put in place. Well,

51:49

we know that they're not in the guardrail business for most,

51:51

most of these people. It's just worth reading.

51:53

I put it in here. It's in the show notes. Go

51:55

check it out. It is a fantastic read and it sums

51:58

up everything Brian's been saying for the past. Uh,

52:00

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the library. I

53:19

read a book. This way, Brian. Actually, I read

53:21

two. But the first one is the one I want to

53:23

talk about. Our friend Jonathan

53:25

Haidt is back again, and he wrote

53:27

a book. It's called The Anxious Generation.

53:29

How the great rewiring of childhood is

53:31

causing an epidemic of mental illness. It's

53:34

worth it for just the graphs alone to come with it.

53:37

But goddamn, we fucked up. Yeah.

53:40

There's a lot of articles out about this

53:42

book right now. And yes, it couldn't have

53:44

come out at a better time. Obviously, this

53:47

is right in my wheelhouse. I have downloaded

53:49

it. I'm going to start reading it. I

53:51

have a lot of concerns about this, and

53:54

it's not looking good. It's

53:56

not. It's not looking good at all. You know,

53:58

I Think that Jonathan Haidt is back. Then it

54:00

hit knitted the right time. I mean

54:02

his his original one. the what? was

54:04

it? The. Oh

54:06

the coddling of the American mind I think

54:08

was the yes the original and I was

54:11

a great piece but this one has actionable.

54:13

Intel. Hundred That actually shows. Causation.

54:16

Not just correlation from all the studies of

54:18

they've been doing about how this is. It's

54:21

fucking up an entire generation of kids, multiple

54:23

generations of gets, and we haven't even gotten

54:25

to what it does to adults. You.

54:28

Know. Ah, It's

54:30

who cares about us anymore. We're we're We're

54:32

in a corner, not not rolled into a

54:34

ball, not heard of, do of turning into

54:36

got where's my bones. Piano

54:38

though this is. There's a lot of stuff

54:40

out there about this. I've been reading a

54:43

lot about it and it's really important because

54:45

you know I believe the children are future

54:47

trees are well with the to their least

54:49

years because you're going to need him take

54:52

care of you. Who were you I'd While

54:54

you're rolled up in the corners and go

54:56

to rely on robot. Ah

55:00

know if you have to read this

55:02

way. It made me as if it

55:04

can spawn me into a little depressed

55:06

of tale for a little bit. but

55:08

I'm coming back out of it. Now

55:10

said either. it makes you think it's

55:12

like man, it is not just social

55:14

media when you actually lay over high

55:16

speed internet access. Version. Of the

55:18

rates of depression in the world,

55:21

yeah, they correlate pretty well. That's

55:23

not good. I mean, it's not

55:25

surprising that sense. It's

55:27

not a had some the internet we meant to build

55:29

Jason that's not what we were doing when we were

55:32

kids and is not of we were doing in our

55:34

twenties. It's just it's all

55:36

been come out of fired and the

55:38

as the we've had been weaponized, been

55:40

weaponized has been for modified, it says

55:43

or does sell things to you and

55:45

make money for the big companies that

55:47

it. They don't give a fuck about

55:49

us. Well. you know any know what

55:51

we probably wouldn't be given a fucking either if we

55:53

were the ones mixed in with nothing but we were

55:55

the sour grapes years yet of the employee i would

55:57

have been nice have made some of that coin since

56:00

we helped build the damn thing, but no, no.

56:03

Sour grapes. Anyway, if you have

56:05

a kid or thinking of having a kid, go read

56:08

this book. It's a must read.

56:11

It seriously is a must read. There's so much

56:13

information, so many studies, and like I said, the

56:15

graphs alone are worth it. So

56:17

go check it out. And I did finish

56:20

The Bezel by Cory Doctorow, second

56:22

in the series. I

56:24

think it was Red Team Blues was the first book.

56:27

This one is not as good as the first one. It

56:31

felt like a short story compared to

56:33

a novel. It felt like half of it

56:36

was missing for some reason. It wasn't bad

56:38

per se, but it just didn't

56:40

feel as fleshed out as the first novel. So

56:42

I'm hoping that the third one in the series

56:44

will kind of tie it all together because they're

56:46

kind of out of different timelines. Like the first

56:49

book was more in the future than

56:51

the second one. It's a weird, it's a weird

56:53

mix up and mash up. But

56:55

it wasn't bad, but it just wasn't

56:57

what I expected. It was

56:59

decent. It was nice. You know,

57:01

C plus C plus. I give the first

57:04

one a solid A minus. It

57:06

was, it was really good. I really enjoyed it. It wasn't

57:08

like, you know, knock me, knock me over with a feather

57:10

good, but it was really good. I mean, I still think

57:12

about it. So it's that good. But you

57:14

know, I think since this is a trilogy, I'm going

57:16

to give him, you know, the sophomore slump on number

57:19

two, we'll see what happens with number three, see if

57:21

he can bring it home for a landing. The

57:24

dark side. With Dave.

57:31

Welcome to the dark side with Dave, with podcast super

57:33

host Dave Fittner. Dave is the host

57:35

of the Cyberware podcast for all your

57:37

cybersecurity news. The co-host of Hacking Humans

57:39

with Joe Kerrigan, discussing how humans are

57:41

mean. The co-host of Caveat with Ben

57:43

Yellen, because people are nosy. And the

57:45

host of Control Loop, because industrial machines

57:47

have feelings too. Woo hoo. Welcome back,

57:49

Dave. It's good to be back. Sorry

57:51

I was away for a couple of

57:53

weeks. You're fired. Thank

57:56

you. Oh no. Scheduling. Please don't.

58:00

throw me in the briar patch. You can't

58:02

do any more. That ride's gone from Disneyland.

58:05

That's true. Yeah,

58:07

scheduling just conspired against me, but it's

58:10

good to be back. Well, I hope you're

58:12

having a good Friday. Good Friday, yes. That's

58:16

right. You didn't miss too much, although we did

58:18

start a whole new segment on home repair and

58:20

home improvements, so we might rope you into that

58:22

to go with our shit showering and shaving. Okay.

58:26

I'm down with that. I'm

58:28

a fearless home improver. We'll

58:31

get to that in future episodes,

58:33

I'm sure. Yeah. But Sebastian Rodian.

58:35

I don't know if you remember Sebastian, Dave. He's

58:37

the one that says- Of course I do. Who

58:40

can forget Sebastian? He's been lovely to

58:42

us. He says, hey, guys, it's Sebastian

58:44

again. I just heard your latest episode

58:46

and wanted to apologize if my comment

58:49

came across as a bit rude. Please

58:51

adjust it for German politeness and a

58:53

physicist's people skills. Well, you

58:55

just needed to practice with it that you were

58:57

German, Sebastian, and all would have been understood. Yeah,

58:59

exactly. Anyway- I'm

59:02

not rude, I'm just German. Yes,

59:04

exactly. I understand that. Looking

59:06

forward for the follow-up comment you mentioned. I think

59:09

I cannot see it yet because I listened to

59:11

the early access feed and wanted to add a

59:13

little visual aid to what I meant. You're nice

59:15

to Sebastian. He pays. I see. Well,

59:19

now that I know you're German, I no longer have problems. You've

59:22

probably seen a macro shot of LCD sub

59:24

pixels at some point or OLD or even

59:26

old CRT. It's just different patterns and different

59:28

technologies to create those RGB sub pixels. Any

59:31

color on screen comes from those three spatially separated

59:33

fixed colors and they just change their brightness. Well,

59:36

maybe I misjudged how often you see those macro

59:38

shots, but I think they are among these stock

59:40

image cliches for computer related news articles. Best wishes.

59:43

Yes. So clear it up. Thank

59:46

you, Sebastian. Thank you,

59:48

Shane. We're fast friends now

59:50

and now that we have

59:52

the appropriate context that

59:55

both your German-ness and

59:57

your- Physicists, physicists. I'm

1:00:00

a dirty physicist. Yes. It

1:00:03

all is clear and no offense taken. Auskas

1:00:06

eichnid! That's my

1:00:08

only German word. I love it. Marky

1:00:11

Mark also wrote in, had to drop you guys a line

1:00:13

on the image I had in my mind after Dave's story

1:00:15

about Facebook reels of you both sitting on a couch, Beavis

1:00:17

and Butthead style. Come on, keep

1:00:19

strolling, Brian. Dammit. Keep up the

1:00:21

good work, gentlemen. Love the show. Yeah, that's probably

1:00:23

pretty much what it would come down to if

1:00:26

we were to actually together. Yeah.

1:00:29

That's funny. And Lars wrote in,

1:00:31

Hey, Geek Fathers, do you have advice on the

1:00:33

management of password management? I found myself now using

1:00:35

three management tools from years of tech life and

1:00:37

it's getting messy and I think I should clean

1:00:39

it up. I have one for my web browser,

1:00:41

iCloud, and one password. Is it unsafe

1:00:43

to have more than one manager or perhaps is

1:00:46

it preferable in case one system goes down or

1:00:48

other unforeseen problems such as family access if I'm

1:00:51

unavailable? For me personally, I

1:00:53

think I can safely retire the web browser, web

1:00:55

browser manager, but I'm torn if I should keep

1:00:57

both one password and iCloud. I'm mostly Apple these

1:00:59

days for phone, tablet, and very recently switched to

1:01:01

Mac OS. So iCloud is pretty

1:01:03

integrated into my life, but I really like one

1:01:06

password as it has a lot of features and

1:01:08

information stored beyond just passwords. Thank you and grump

1:01:10

on. I've just

1:01:12

used one password, but I don't store it

1:01:14

in their cloud. I store it on my own device

1:01:17

cloud. So

1:01:20

I don't rely on their cloud being up and running, but

1:01:22

I guess I have to rely on mine. There's

1:01:25

a cloud somewhere, Brian. There's

1:01:27

a cloud somewhere. I

1:01:30

just see, to me, it's overkill to have multiple

1:01:32

things. I just have the one. I

1:01:35

agree. I would say, and I think Lars

1:01:38

is on the right path here. The first one I

1:01:40

would get rid of is the one built into the

1:01:42

browser. To me, that's the

1:01:44

most vulnerable one, most

1:01:46

likely to get clipped by somebody.

1:01:52

I think

1:01:54

just moving it all to one password would

1:01:57

probably be fine. That's what I do. Just

1:02:01

as long as you have good multi-factor authentication

1:02:03

on the one password. The

1:02:05

only asterisk I

1:02:08

would add here is that

1:02:10

I would explore where you

1:02:12

think your future might be when it comes to pass

1:02:14

keys. Because

1:02:16

pass keys are going to be, I

1:02:18

think, part of our future and

1:02:22

whoever gets that integration right

1:02:24

first. And Apple has

1:02:27

some of it there. I'm not

1:02:29

sure to what degree one password has it there,

1:02:31

but I would have that be part of my

1:02:34

equation. How easy is it going to be

1:02:36

for me to integrate pass keys in the future? That's

1:02:38

just my guess. One

1:02:41

password definitely has, I haven't actually gone and

1:02:43

done any of it yet. I don't know

1:02:45

how easy it is or how well it's

1:02:47

integrated. Everything else with one password is pretty

1:02:49

well integrated. It works great on my Apple

1:02:52

devices across the board. So

1:02:55

there's no reason for me to use

1:02:57

Apple's particular system, at least not right

1:02:59

now. Yeah. Yeah, I'm

1:03:01

with Lars. I've got all three. It's

1:03:06

one of those things where the browser one is like, I

1:03:08

know I need to go clean it out and turn it

1:03:10

off, but I'm lazy. The

1:03:17

iCloud keychain sharing, I have on

1:03:19

because there are more

1:03:21

things that you store in your iCloud

1:03:23

keychain than just website passwords. There's

1:03:26

like different tokens that are system tokens like

1:03:28

SSH keys and things like that. So I

1:03:30

keep that regardless.

1:03:34

But yeah, most of my stuff's in one password and split

1:03:36

between the web browser, which is it

1:03:38

is actually annoying because sometimes you

1:03:40

get dueling popups and you're trying to click one and

1:03:42

get rid of the old one. It's like, oh, it

1:03:44

didn't update in that one, but I know the password's

1:03:46

good in that one. So I need to get to

1:03:49

that one to click on that one. So

1:03:51

yeah, it would probably be wise to just

1:03:53

fix that, but life is short and sometimes

1:03:55

I don't give a shit. So I think

1:03:59

Lars is probably into that. same boat.

1:04:01

That's why we have three of them

1:04:03

Lars. I'm with you buddy. No,

1:04:05

I mean that's the constant tension right

1:04:07

between security and convenience. Look, I find

1:04:10

it hard to like clean up my

1:04:12

physical life. My digital life is just

1:04:14

I've given up. I've gone to life.

1:04:16

Shit's just a mess right? Like I've

1:04:19

got crap everywhere. Full

1:04:21

resignation. You

1:04:24

know at some point I think it was like the last time

1:04:26

that my iTunes finally crashed and I lost

1:04:28

my entire music collection and I never went back through

1:04:30

and cleaned it up even though I have all the

1:04:32

mp3s but all the tags got screwed up

1:04:35

on everything and I just went fuck it. I'm

1:04:37

done. Yeah. This

1:04:39

is a job for future generations. Exactly.

1:04:43

I was talking to one of my

1:04:45

colleagues here and she was saying that

1:04:47

when she moved from the Middle East

1:04:50

to the United States she

1:04:52

had her whole music library up in Apple.

1:04:54

He stored with Apple and when she moved

1:04:56

Apple said, oh no you've moved countries too

1:04:59

many times and deleted it all. Just

1:05:02

gone. Wow gone. Now

1:05:04

I know you know the whole

1:05:07

idea of having your own curated and

1:05:09

stored music libraries quaint

1:05:11

these days and Apple and the other

1:05:13

platforms really want you to move away

1:05:15

from that and just trust their massive

1:05:18

streaming platforms. I've adopted the attitude of

1:05:21

I'm not going to push back against

1:05:23

that. It's easier to not fight

1:05:25

that fight I think. See

1:05:30

I still fight that fight every day.

1:05:33

I have an Apple music library

1:05:35

that is local on my computer and I sync

1:05:37

my phone to it and

1:05:39

if there's something new I get a

1:05:41

copy of it and then if it's on the streaming

1:05:43

site I don't feel bad about putting it on my

1:05:45

phone because I pay for the streaming site. I just

1:05:48

download the mp3s and put it on my phone the

1:05:50

way it got intended with local

1:05:52

file storage. So I have

1:05:54

my entire library with me all the time. I

1:05:56

can play music when I don't have an internet

1:05:58

connection which is nice. And

1:06:01

yeah, I still have mine. It's like a 250 gig library

1:06:07

28,000 songs or something in it. Yeah, I'm not

1:06:09

gonna go away from that. I

1:06:11

like Brian have been burned and I

1:06:14

just I but I keep multiple copies of it

1:06:17

and that sink on multiple drives like I treat

1:06:19

that like, you know any

1:06:21

top tier Data product

1:06:23

like my photos and my music all

1:06:25

of these are yeah, they're all synced

1:06:28

and they're all spread out Just

1:06:31

in case because I don't want to I don't want

1:06:33

to rely on streaming because every now and again I

1:06:35

want to hear killing and error by the cure and

1:06:37

that's the only way to do it Yeah, there are

1:06:39

some songs that just aren't anywhere else I

1:06:42

think you know if I didn't have a wife and

1:06:44

a child I would probably be more on board with

1:06:46

this I I've resigned to the fact

1:06:48

that getting my music collection back up and running

1:06:50

is probably going to have to be in an

1:06:52

empty nester project when I'm Ways

1:07:00

to go yeah, right actually that is on my horizon

1:07:05

But if you my horizon isn't much closer than

1:07:07

yours, I guess because it's I'm on the East

1:07:09

Coast but I

1:07:13

just you have to do a cost-benefit analysis and see

1:07:15

if the juice is worth the squeeze Is

1:07:18

it are you really gonna listen to that stuff that

1:07:20

much that it's worth going through and in doing that

1:07:22

thing? I'm no longer in my

1:07:24

20s or 30s. I don't need the multiple

1:07:26

live versions of Nine Inch Nails concerts

1:07:29

from 1980 or 1992

1:07:31

anymore like I'm never gonna go back and

1:07:33

listen to that there are a few things

1:07:35

that I've searched for on streaming that wasn't

1:07:37

around But they're so rare

1:07:39

and yeah, and odds are they're on

1:07:42

YouTube Yeah, and if yeah, that's where

1:07:44

I end up finding them So, you know if

1:07:46

I can't find it on Spotify will be on

1:07:48

YouTube somewhere. So mm-hmm That's what I've done before

1:07:50

but you know, who's who's listening to music. Anyways,

1:07:52

we're all listening to podcasts at this point Mostly

1:07:58

Dave's because they're. Really

1:08:00

the only option there is any more a

1:08:03

clogging up all the pipes. What I did

1:08:05

find one podcast you aren't on but I

1:08:07

think you would be very interested in and

1:08:09

lifeless and all of it so I can.

1:08:11

I can actually say that yes this is

1:08:13

this use was worth the squeeze. As a

1:08:16

podcast called Keys to the Kingdom Day I

1:08:18

don't know this one. It's an unprecedented eight

1:08:20

part talk you series exploring the peculiar backstage

1:08:22

life, a theme park, characters, performers and fans.

1:08:24

I have five this one, but no I

1:08:26

have not actually. I. Checked

1:08:29

it out so I'm yet to. So these

1:08:31

are or did they both worked at. They

1:08:33

both grew up where I did in Orange

1:08:35

County. They both worked at Disneyland and Universal

1:08:37

and all these other places because that's kind

1:08:39

of what you do if you grub down

1:08:42

there. Sky Map Gourley who is also involved

1:08:44

with Conan O'brien needs a friend podcast and

1:08:46

some other drunk history and things like that

1:08:48

and his wife Amanda Lunch who's as the

1:08:50

curious cofounder of and Fleet Woman and New

1:08:52

Girl Bagasse. Each of the other get into

1:08:55

it. you know? The first one was about

1:08:57

Princesses which is a playing. Princesses know that

1:08:59

which the i'm not really in my wheelhouse

1:09:01

but still interesting. Butter in went on from

1:09:03

there and just that it was a there

1:09:05

was delightful. It was a delightful podcast. That's.

1:09:08

Fun argument go out in. A

1:09:11

I I mentioned it before that my

1:09:13

wife worked at the Disney Studios back

1:09:15

in the day. She was one of

1:09:17

the Backstage Studio Tour. Or

1:09:19

I'll tour guides and in the a

1:09:21

tram drivers. But she

1:09:23

did get to spend one day as a Teenage

1:09:25

Mutant Ninja Turtle. Night as somebody

1:09:28

didn't show up. yeah. that

1:09:30

sick at the political spin into i don't

1:09:32

member which turn she was but she said

1:09:34

it was miserable miserable so hot in the

1:09:36

things she was exhausted by the that the

1:09:39

other that they they go into the rankings

1:09:41

of of once you play him and the

1:09:43

people that were those costumes and lowest ranked.

1:09:46

City. And the I got right yeah

1:09:48

I'm interesting some the I give it a

1:09:50

listen. Jays are Jason just doesn't care, Skill

1:09:52

is and Dave you'll have a gun. Really

1:09:54

enjoy it as. Well. Speaking of

1:09:56

which, allah call inaudible here and

1:09:58

recommend a podcast. The started listening

1:10:00

to it's called what Went Wrong. And

1:10:03

what went? I'll redo the description,

1:10:05

hear what went wrong. Covers Hollywood's

1:10:08

most notoriously disastrous movie productions. Ah,

1:10:10

digging into the behind the scenes

1:10:12

insanity of everything from massive flops

1:10:14

to record breaking blockbusters i'm so

1:10:16

or of bird old are so

1:10:18

sick associate, colleague whatever acquaintance of

1:10:20

mine. the sword I'm looking for.

1:10:22

Ah, who's a steadycam operator with

1:10:25

was in their most recent episode

1:10:27

talking about his experience on Donnie

1:10:29

Darko. Arms Oh.

1:10:31

Yeah. So if you're into Hollywood stuff

1:10:34

like I am and you like and of

1:10:36

his juicy behind the scenes kind of stuff,

1:10:38

a check out what went wrong. Actually,

1:10:41

I'm catholic enlistment as. Yeah. I.

1:10:44

Thank you again Day for the Strong

1:10:47

Songs recommendation. I am addicted to that!

1:10:49

Podcasts are so good I just wish

1:10:51

there were more of them me to

1:10:54

assist the effect of yeah I absolutely

1:10:56

love it. It's just phenomenal. New.

1:10:59

In. In. Once again, might I

1:11:01

recommend Smack? There's with James Marsters

1:11:03

unmarked Divine Scottish matters.com and download

1:11:05

today Like kids mess that button

1:11:07

baby mess that but. Pretty. Pleased.

1:11:11

To. Say, I'm just saying. I'm not sure

1:11:14

what just happened, but okay. It's

1:11:17

got the call back. Dave Clinical, I see

1:11:19

where you're at. That on a. Oh

1:11:22

right! Actually has some interesting news here.

1:11:24

In an effort to enhance Subway safety,

1:11:27

N Y C Mayor Eric Adams has

1:11:29

announced a new initiative involving a i

1:11:31

hit quip metal detectors, what could possibly

1:11:34

go on hunger and we've got a

1:11:36

Us together as. Of.

1:11:40

Yet, despite the ambitious comparison of

1:11:42

the Apollo Moon missions, early demonstrations

1:11:44

have revealed a critical three second

1:11:46

delay in the systems response to

1:11:48

detecting a gun. Raising

1:11:51

concerns about it's effectiveness? Yeah,

1:11:53

think yeah. three

1:11:56

to pop out okay

1:11:58

these advanced developed

1:12:00

by Evolve are designed to

1:12:03

distinguish between guns and harmless

1:12:05

metal objects like cell phones

1:12:07

without slowing pedestrian flow. However,

1:12:10

the practical application of the AI

1:12:12

technology and its ability to accurately

1:12:14

identify threats remain unclear because somebody

1:12:17

did ask Evolve, so what's the

1:12:20

AI in here? And they're like, I don't know. Yeah,

1:12:23

the marketing department sent that

1:12:25

over. Yeah, so

1:12:27

there's a 90-day evaluation period before

1:12:29

they're deployed, but yeah, again, what

1:12:31

could go wrong? I mean,

1:12:34

I don't see

1:12:36

how this could practically work in a

1:12:38

subway system like New York's especially. You

1:12:41

know what it reminds me of though? What

1:12:44

was the movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger on Total

1:12:46

Recall? I was thinking the exact same thing.

1:12:48

I was thinking the same thing, yes. And

1:12:51

that would take care of your three-second problem.

1:12:53

Exactly. If you had a little tunnel that

1:12:55

you had to go through. Basically a man

1:12:57

trap, like a three-second man trap. Right, right.

1:13:00

So what could happen

1:13:02

is, so you have, this is

1:13:04

the worst lottery of all time, you're going

1:13:07

through the tunnel and then somebody behind you is detected

1:13:09

with a gun and then they lock you all in

1:13:11

there, so then you're locked in. They contain

1:13:14

the guy with the gun, except you're

1:13:16

trapped in the box with the guy

1:13:18

with the gun. Yeah. It

1:13:20

has gone from a mass shooting event

1:13:22

to a hostage negotiation. Yeah. One go.

1:13:24

I mean,

1:13:28

this is brought to you by the efficiency

1:13:31

of airport security. Yeah,

1:13:35

that's great. We've talked

1:13:37

a lot about cell phone tracking and

1:13:39

anonymized and de-anonymized data on the show

1:13:42

and this new

1:13:44

investigation by Wired just had me

1:13:46

tickled pink because

1:13:48

a company formerly known as near

1:13:51

intelligence and now Azira, basically

1:13:53

what they did was they went back through their

1:13:55

trove of data and they identified

1:13:58

about 200 people going to

1:14:00

and from Epstein's Island. I

1:14:03

think they would have rebranded as nearer to

1:14:05

intelligence. I

1:14:08

want that list so bad. I want it incorporated

1:14:10

into that game we were talking about last week.

1:14:13

That would be so good. That's

1:14:15

the, what is it, DLC.

1:14:18

That would be the ultimate DLC. This

1:14:20

list is never ever going to come out. So

1:14:23

yeah, I don't know. So you

1:14:26

think about like, well,

1:14:29

I talked about this on yesterday's CyberWire

1:14:32

and Ben Yellen

1:14:34

and I often talk about on caveat this

1:14:36

whole thing about how easy it is to

1:14:38

de-anonymize people as we've talked about here. If

1:14:41

you know where someone works and you know where someone

1:14:43

lives, you can figure out

1:14:45

who that person is, right? So with

1:14:48

this thing, you know where the

1:14:50

island is and then you track where they

1:14:52

went. It's either their home or

1:14:54

their office or eventually they're going there. You figure

1:14:56

out who they are and you come up with

1:14:58

your list of people who are on the island.

1:15:03

What I wonder and what I

1:15:06

hope with Pollyanna

1:15:08

optimism is

1:15:10

that perhaps this could be

1:15:12

the thing. If we

1:15:14

were to shine a light on the rich

1:15:16

and powerful and not

1:15:18

exclude them from this data tracking,

1:15:21

could this be the thing that

1:15:23

gets Congress to get off

1:15:25

their asses and make some

1:15:27

actual privacy legislation? Same

1:15:29

way that back in the 80s

1:15:32

with the video rental stores caused,

1:15:34

you know, somebody released the video rental.

1:15:37

I wasn't a judge, Blorke, who was his

1:15:40

video rental, was released

1:15:42

back in the 80s and Congress but quick

1:15:44

passed a law outlawing that. But

1:15:46

it took hitting the right people for that to happen. I'm

1:15:49

guessing that is the right person. Well

1:15:52

as it is in this case, the right people

1:15:54

are the rich and the powerful who pay

1:15:57

visits to pedophile island. Maybe

1:16:01

this could move the needle, but on the

1:16:03

other hand there is what both of you

1:16:05

said that there's a decent chance that this

1:16:07

Data will never see the light of day

1:16:10

There is an extremely large amount of vested

1:16:12

interest in this list not ever getting out

1:16:14

that involves a fuck ton of money. Yeah

1:16:18

Yeah, this is gonna get locked away in a

1:16:20

vault with Ghislaine Maxwell's little black book. Mm-hmm It's

1:16:23

not like we don't have this information. It's all out

1:16:25

there. It's just never gonna get released Well,

1:16:27

but I wonder too. How diffuses this

1:16:30

information how many people have bought and

1:16:32

sold this information just as parts of

1:16:34

big giant Piles

1:16:36

of data. Yeah This

1:16:38

information must be in a bunch of piles. It's just

1:16:41

a matter of somebody going through it and doing the

1:16:43

correlation Right exactly. Yeah,

1:16:45

and then they disappear completely Man

1:16:53

it's so dark and so Frustrating.

1:16:56

Yep, frustrating. Yes frustrating is

1:16:58

the word But

1:17:01

I like your optimism Dave, I

1:17:03

hope I hope someday that you'll be proven right I

1:17:06

don't expect to live to see that day,

1:17:08

but no, you'll go either We'll

1:17:11

see. Yeah So

1:17:13

I well in a couple weeks that I was away. I

1:17:15

was thinking about Something I don't

1:17:18

remember the exact thing that caused me to

1:17:20

kind of sit and percolate on this but

1:17:23

I thought it'd be worth talking about here and It

1:17:27

is the I refer to this as on

1:17:29

the wizard on the wisdom of keeping your mouth

1:17:32

fucking shut I was gonna say perhaps a conversation

1:17:34

with your wife because that's what makes me think

1:17:36

about that No,

1:17:41

you know what actually no I now that I'm

1:17:43

saying it I do remember what Caused

1:17:46

me to say it and it was it was a

1:17:48

conversation with someone who was near and dear to me

1:17:50

and it was about music and

1:17:53

about taste in music and someone was saying I

1:17:55

really want you to listen to this because I

1:17:57

think you'll really enjoy it and And

1:18:00

I did, and I absolutely hated it. But

1:18:03

I didn't say that. What I said was, you

1:18:06

know, when it comes to art, there

1:18:08

is no right or wrong. Art is

1:18:10

what moves the individual. It has meaning

1:18:12

to you, like Duke Ellington said,

1:18:14

if it sounds good, it is good. And

1:18:18

so at no point did I say

1:18:20

to this person, I hate this,

1:18:23

and I never want to listen to it again,

1:18:25

which was my honest reaction to it. Most

1:18:29

people feel that way about Nickelback, don't worry. But

1:18:34

it got me thinking about how

1:18:36

I think as we

1:18:39

get older, hopefully, I think

1:18:41

for many of us, this

1:18:43

is a bit of wisdom that only comes

1:18:45

with time and suffering. Learning

1:18:48

to keep your mouth shut and to just

1:18:50

smile and nod when someone

1:18:52

is either saying something that is really stupid

1:18:54

or trying to abate you into some kind

1:18:57

of conversation you don't want to be in

1:18:59

or trying to get you riled up or

1:19:01

trying to insult you of just

1:19:04

the wisdom of not engaging. So

1:19:07

you're talking about the internet in general? Well,

1:19:09

I'm talking about the internet in general.

1:19:11

Yeah, I mean, that's really it, right?

1:19:14

Like you can engage when somebody comes

1:19:16

at you or not. And

1:19:18

the internet is just kind of built for that. That's

1:19:22

me on social networks, keeping my mouth

1:19:24

fucking shut. The

1:19:27

other thing, though, I was thinking along

1:19:29

with this was I think with

1:19:32

this attitude comes a certain amount

1:19:34

of privilege, which is the privilege

1:19:36

of being able to keep your

1:19:38

mouth shut without serious

1:19:41

consequence. And I

1:19:43

want to be clear that when

1:19:45

I'm talking about keeping your mouth shut,

1:19:47

I don't mean to

1:19:50

stop standing up for the weak

1:19:52

and the vulnerable when standing

1:19:54

up for them could make

1:19:57

a difference by using your position, your privilege,

1:19:59

your you know, in my case, my

1:20:01

middle-aged white maleness to

1:20:04

defend someone, that is not what I'm

1:20:06

talking about here, of smiling and nodding

1:20:08

and allowing someone to beat up

1:20:10

on someone else and just minding

1:20:12

my own business. You're talking about,

1:20:14

does this make my ass look fat situations?

1:20:18

Maybe. No,

1:20:21

but, well, so here, no, no, no. So

1:20:24

here's an example. Let's

1:20:29

say, okay, so there's an

1:20:31

anecdote I think I've shared on the

1:20:33

show before where someone had recently bought

1:20:35

an iMac

1:20:38

Pro and they bought an iMac

1:20:41

Pro that was maxed out with the maximum amount of

1:20:43

RAM that you could get in this thing. Okay, and

1:20:45

I'm just going to make up a number here and

1:20:47

say that it was 128 gigabytes of RAM.

1:20:50

I don't know if that's the actual number. It doesn't matter for

1:20:52

the purposes of my story. The

1:20:54

person who bought this computer, posted

1:20:57

on social media and said, I just bought an

1:20:59

iMac Pro with 128 gigabytes of RAM. That's

1:21:03

more than the Apple II Plus, more

1:21:06

than every Apple II Plus

1:21:08

combined. Okay,

1:21:12

so the total number of Apple II Plus

1:21:14

is sold, which maxed out at 64K, I

1:21:16

believe, you

1:21:20

know, times whatever was less

1:21:22

than this 128 gigabytes

1:21:24

of RAM that was in this single

1:21:26

computer, right? So

1:21:29

I shared that anecdote with someone and

1:21:32

that person, rather than saying, oh, that's

1:21:34

interesting. Oh, that's funny. Oh,

1:21:36

how interesting. Oh my gosh, what a great story. Immediately

1:21:38

started doing the math. Yeah. Yep.

1:21:42

Right? Mm-hmm. And

1:21:44

I'm like, just shut the fuck up. And

1:21:47

Dave, we wouldn't have a show. That's

1:21:50

exactly what we do. I literally do pull out

1:21:52

a calculator sometime. I was thinking of this. Let's

1:21:54

run through the math. I was doing the math

1:21:57

in my head as soon as you were telling

1:21:59

the story. Gentlemen, gentlemen,

1:22:02

shut the fuck up. All right,

1:22:06

well, it's been nice talking to you, Dave. We will not be

1:22:08

back next week. But

1:22:11

do you understand what I'm getting? So, if

1:22:13

you think that illustration, do you understand what

1:22:15

I'm getting? Like sometimes, let the person have

1:22:17

their fun story. You do

1:22:19

not need to challenge it. You do not need

1:22:21

to dissect it. If you want to check the

1:22:23

math, check the math afterwards and

1:22:26

feel good about yourself for knowing the

1:22:28

truth. But just so many people, that's

1:22:30

part of their personality. That's who they

1:22:32

are. It's like the first people, the

1:22:34

people that always have first. Why? What?

1:22:37

Who cares? Right.

1:22:40

Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree

1:22:42

with you. And yeah, there's a

1:22:45

boy that can be frustrating. But again, that's also what

1:22:47

we do. Right. It's

1:22:50

frustrating when they do it. When you do it, it's

1:22:52

entertaining. Yes, when I do it. When we do it,

1:22:54

it's art. There you go. All right. You're

1:22:57

right. Well,

1:22:59

last but not least, I have a link here

1:23:01

to something that has been taking up way too

1:23:03

much of my attention that I cannot believe that

1:23:05

I have come this

1:23:07

far without knowing about. And

1:23:09

this is a series of Star Wars shorts that

1:23:13

some Star Wars fans made with

1:23:15

the Unreal Engine. And

1:23:19

these are mostly, they follow

1:23:21

a couple of stormtroopers, one

1:23:24

who is brand new right out of

1:23:26

the Academy and one who is a

1:23:28

grizzled veteran who's got 20 years in and it

1:23:31

just wants to get to his 20 years so

1:23:33

he can retire. And

1:23:36

it is the interpersonal. Technically stormtroopers haven't really

1:23:38

been around for 20 years. So

1:23:40

I'm just going to run the map here. Shut

1:23:45

the fuck up. Shut

1:23:48

the fuck up. I

1:23:50

mean, he would have been a clone at that point. Oh

1:23:56

my God. So

1:24:01

anyway, Jason. So

1:24:07

for the same reason that some

1:24:09

of these recent series, Star Wars series

1:24:11

have been fun because they give you

1:24:13

a view into the behind the scenes

1:24:15

of how the Empire runs. This

1:24:17

is mostly about these two stormtroopers who are

1:24:20

just trying to make it through their day.

1:24:23

And they insert them into some behind the

1:24:25

scenes of some scenes we know from the

1:24:27

movies. And they are very funny.

1:24:29

They're very well written and well

1:24:31

acted. And

1:24:33

so Brian, I know you will laugh

1:24:36

out loud at some of these. I've

1:24:38

watched one or two. They're phenomenal. So I didn't realize

1:24:40

there were as many as there are. So I'm going

1:24:42

to have to go through and see some of the

1:24:45

rest of them. They're great. Yeah,

1:24:47

they're really funny. So we'll

1:24:49

have a link to that in the show notes.

1:24:51

And everybody enjoy

1:24:53

that. And don't question. Please

1:24:58

write in with any nitpicks you have about this

1:25:00

segment in general. There you go.

1:25:02

Yes. Yes. We love that. This is like

1:25:04

the purge, but for pedantic motherfuckers. We

1:25:08

give you one day. You get one email. That's

1:25:12

it. Right. How

1:25:14

do you spell pedantic? Um,

1:25:17

when dick. Yeah.

1:25:24

Maybe we need to rename the show like quiet

1:25:27

old geeks. No, that

1:25:30

wouldn't work. Well medicated

1:25:32

old geeks. Right.

1:25:36

The dated old geeks. All

1:25:41

right. Thanks everybody. Okay.

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1:26:41

And belated birthday was just a friend of

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actually been chatting with her because she just, she

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then read Dune and then she wrote me to talk about

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she go? How blah, blah, blah. So

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I didn't. That's important. I realized it

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was her birthday. So happy birthday. Happy

1:27:01

birthday. And sad news. Louis

1:27:03

Gossett Jr., the first black man

1:27:05

to win supporting Oscar, with supporting

1:27:07

actor Oscar has died at 87. Now

1:27:10

my first Louis Gossett Jr. movie was

1:27:12

Iron Eagle. Fantastic

1:27:15

movie. Still has legs. So is he an

1:27:17

enemy mind? Was that him? I

1:27:19

believe so. I think that might've been my first Louis

1:27:21

Gossett Jr. movie if that was him. I think it

1:27:23

was too. I think it was. Dennis

1:27:26

Quaid and Louis Gossett Jr., right? I think.

1:27:28

I never saw enemy mind, but I

1:27:30

remember seeing little bits and pieces here

1:27:32

and there. Yeah. It

1:27:35

was him. Yes, correct. Okay.

1:27:37

Yeah. Iron Eagle was a classic on HBO when I

1:27:39

was a kid. They were running it

1:27:41

all the time. And then I was surprised

1:27:44

to find out later that David Suchet of

1:27:46

Hercule Poirot fame played the

1:27:48

evil dictator or military

1:27:50

commander in it. I think that

1:27:53

they're going to try and blow up because the kid's

1:27:55

dad was taken prisoner. He learns how to fly a

1:27:57

fighter jet. It's a great

1:27:59

80s movie. movie. Sounds like it. And it's

1:28:01

got Queen in the soundtrack. Come on.

1:28:03

Can't go wrong. Wasn't

1:28:05

it mandated that all 80s movies had a Queen song

1:28:08

in their soundtrack? Yeah, I think so.

1:28:10

I mean, Highlander was all Queen, so they hit

1:28:12

the jackpot. But there is some Dio in Iron

1:28:14

Eagle as well. So can't go wrong with that.

1:28:17

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