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Old Geeks, a weekly talk show hosted

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by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFilippo, discussing

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the finer points of what went wrong

0:39

on the internet and who's to blame.

0:46

Welcome to Grumpy Old Geeks. I'm Jason

0:48

DeFilippo. And I'm Brian Schulmeister. I

0:51

had my first Cybertruck sighting yesterday, Brian.

0:53

Oh, yeah? Yeah. It's

0:55

uglier than I thought it was going to be. I've

0:58

yet to see one in person, but what

1:00

exactly did I write you yesterday when you told

1:02

me? I said, I mean, just from the pictures,

1:05

it looks like a fucking

1:07

prop that they made with no money at the

1:09

very last season when they knew they were being

1:11

canceled of the original Battlestar Galactica. That's what the

1:13

thing looks like. Yeah. And

1:15

I said it was a rejected

1:18

design from Demolition Alley.

1:20

Yeah. It's about the same size because

1:22

I don't know if you remember that Demolition Alley

1:24

truck used to be on Cowenga when you'd come

1:27

over the hill towards Universal. I vaguely remember that,

1:29

yeah. It was always there and I always wanted

1:31

to buy it because it was for sale. So

1:33

I'm getting Texas ended up buying it. But anyway,

1:35

I digress. The thing is fucking huge and ugly.

1:39

I saw the thing go by like this

1:41

silver whale and I'm like, damn. The

1:45

other thing that struck me was I thought it would,

1:47

you know, maybe there was going to be some kind

1:49

of intrinsic value in seeing it in person to

1:51

make it kind of pop and go, whoo, neat.

1:54

No, it looks cheap. It

1:57

looks absolutely cheap. It does.

1:59

Yeah. I mean, just so you can even tell

2:01

from the photos. Like I can't wait for a sighting

2:03

in the wild. I don't think there are any here

2:05

in Toronto, but yeah, I

2:07

don't know. But I did see yesterday that, you

2:09

know, we were talking about Rivian because they fired

2:11

a bunch of people and they looked pretty bad,

2:13

but they didn't announcement announced a couple new cars.

2:16

They look great. Oh, good. They

2:18

look really nice. Like one of them is like kind of a

2:20

hatchback. So you know, it's like they're, it

2:23

looks a bit like a mini countryman, but from the future.

2:26

Ooh, nice. I'd have to look

2:28

into that if I make my way back to Los

2:30

Angeles. There you go. You

2:32

better make your way back to Los Angeles, God damn it. We'll

2:34

see. Election. Shut

2:37

up. There is

2:40

one less cyber truck on the

2:42

road because it did slam into

2:44

the Beverly Hills Hotel sign. Fortunately,

2:46

it missed the sign because the

2:48

concrete encasement protected it, but basically

2:50

ripped off the wheels. I

2:53

don't know. I

2:56

think Peter Thiel was driving this cyber truck

2:58

because any mention of who was actually driving

3:00

it has been expunged from the internet. Hulk

3:02

Hogan was actually making a sex tape. Yeah,

3:05

that's why he crashed. Yeah. The

3:08

Hulkster was getting a hummer in a cyber.

3:12

But the original reports say that it

3:14

was a valet. And

3:16

then of course, Elon Musk has to stick

3:18

his nose into everything saying, Oh, the valet

3:20

must have been surprised because it has more.

3:23

It's faster than a 911. Look,

3:25

most valets aren't like from Ferris Bueller's

3:27

Day off, Elon. Yeah. Yeah.

3:30

I've met many of the valets at the Beverly Hills Hotel because I

3:32

used to go there for brunch. They're

3:35

all very good guys and they know how to

3:37

drive very fast cars. But it doesn't matter because

3:39

it turns out it wasn't one of the fucking

3:41

valets. So that

3:43

was just fake news. Fake

3:46

news, Brian. Fake news. A lot of that about.

3:49

Yeah. But not fake news is

3:51

a study that comes out of the UK about

3:54

the fourth day work week. Not the four

3:56

hour work week that's in Ferris, Dan. This

3:58

is the UK. four-day workweek pilot.

4:00

They did it for quite

4:02

a bit of time with quite a few companies.

4:06

And here's the deal. 61 organizations

4:09

took part in the plan here. So

4:13

at the conclusion of the test, here's what we got.

4:16

The initiative continues to show significant

4:18

positive outcomes. According to

4:21

a comprehensive study involving qualitative research

4:23

teams from several universities, have

4:25

sustained improvements in physical and mental health,

4:28

work-life balance, and overall

4:30

life satisfaction. Yeah, that's great.

4:33

You'd figure that comes out of, you know. Yes, of

4:35

course. I'm working a day less. That's

4:38

awesome. Yeah, and you make the

4:40

same amount of money. Fine. Okay.

4:42

So the pilot, which was aimed

4:44

at reducing burnout without sacrificing job

4:46

satisfaction, appears to have long-lasting effects

4:48

beyond initial expectations. Now, here's

4:50

the kicker. Almost all

4:52

participating companies have chosen to maintain

4:54

the four-day workweek, confirming the benefits

4:56

of this innovative work model. So

4:59

here's the deal. Out of the

5:01

61 companies that took part,

5:03

at least 54 confirmed that

5:05

they're going to keep to the policy. That's 89%. So 89% of those companies

5:10

obviously did not see a reduction

5:13

in profit from the move to

5:15

the four-day workweek. Right. So here's

5:17

an idea. Fuck

5:20

UBI. All right. Fuck universal basic

5:22

income. We're going to blow this out of the water.

5:25

How about now, if we found that we can have

5:27

a company that worked for four days

5:30

still be profitable, well, what if we

5:32

just doubled the staff, then we

5:34

just have, you know, rotating teams four

5:36

days on, three days off, and then

5:38

there's like an overlap day. We can

5:40

hack the shit out of

5:43

the workplace efficiency balance and actually make

5:45

companies more profitable while employing more people

5:47

and making everybody happier. How about that?

5:51

Never going to work, Jason. Never. Oh, come on. I

5:53

want my Nobel prize right now. The thing is it

5:55

does work, which the study

5:57

proves is just ain't nobody going to do

5:59

it. Well, I'm sorry 89% of

6:02

the companies are gonna stick with it So we're gonna do

6:04

that goes and I think from there The

6:06

the fact that they're going to be office is

6:08

empty three days a week if people are still

6:10

going back to the offices For these companies. It

6:12

didn't really tell me if they were remote companies

6:14

hybrids or right y'all in office, you know And

6:16

what types of companies I didn't get that deep

6:18

into the study, but I'm all for that I

6:20

think a four-day workweek hybrid is awesome. Mm-hmm Yeah,

6:24

I did honestly you get just as much done

6:26

in four days and you're happier easily Yeah,

6:29

yeah less time on the tick-tock Speaking

6:39

of the tick-tock the The

6:42

US House of Representatives are fast tracking a

6:44

vote next week on a legislation that would

6:46

give China's bite band six months to Divest

6:48

from short video app tick-tock or face a

6:50

US ban after a committee unanimously approved the

6:52

measure on Thursday We've

6:55

obviously tried this before we do remember this Donald

6:57

Trump tried to unsuccessfully to ban the app in

6:59

2020 which I could have done except our money

7:01

at all But they're going

7:04

forward again. So Why

7:06

well, we don't really know There

7:09

were a lot of behind-the-scenes meetings about

7:11

this a closed-door classified briefing on national

7:13

security concerns about tick-tocks Chinese ownership has

7:15

seemed to spur this into action. I

7:19

Have heard things I'm

7:22

sure you have as well. I think this

7:24

one's for real this time. It's not

7:26

I mean, obviously I think We're

7:29

concerned about where all of our US data

7:31

is going and all this information is going

7:33

to but more importantly I think I think

7:36

a smoking gun was found about You

7:39

know just proving that the Chinese are using

7:41

this to destabilize our election process and I

7:43

think that's what's heading this That

7:46

does not surprise me in one Not

7:49

at all no not one bit I don't think anybody

7:51

is surprised by this but the fact that they're actually

7:53

going for this now and All

7:55

of a sudden out of the blue tells me that

7:57

they found something for sure Of

8:00

course, waiting six months isn't that

8:02

fucking useful! No. I

8:05

don't know if anybody's got a calendar over there. What?

8:10

Yeah, now the funny thing would be is,

8:12

because Biden just had a TikTok account spun

8:14

up not too long ago. Yep. What

8:17

if that was the honeypot that they used to find

8:19

what they were doing over there in China? Man,

8:21

that would be some dark brand and shit, wouldn't it?

8:24

That would be. That would be some dark brand and

8:26

shit. Cyber dark brand. I

8:28

like it. TikTok seems pretty worried about

8:30

this. On Thursday, some TikTok users opened

8:32

their apps and encountered this message. Speak

8:35

up now before your government strips 170 million

8:37

Americans of their constitutional right to

8:40

watch shitty short form videos. This

8:42

will damage millions of businesses, destroy the livelihoods

8:44

of countless creators across the country, and deny

8:46

artists an audience. Let Congress know what TikTok

8:48

means to you and tell them to vote

8:51

no. Now, okay, fine. A

8:53

lot of companies have done this when facing regulation.

8:56

They basically put

8:58

up pages that said, hey, go talk

9:00

to your Congress people about this because

9:02

it's not cool for us. So

9:05

do that for me. And the

9:07

difference with this one, you have no option

9:09

to exit or swipe away. The only action

9:11

is call now. And until you click

9:13

it, it

9:15

does not go away. Oh,

9:18

that's beautiful. Yeah, that's beautiful. Good

9:20

times. I

9:23

personally, I would love to see TikTok. I've

9:26

been trying to figure out what I'm going to do

9:28

when my kid is old enough. Anyways, I want this

9:30

shit gone. Yeah, no,

9:33

my roommate is on it like

9:35

for an hour every day. That's like

9:37

her after nothing. I know that's

9:39

not even a power user. I know,

9:41

but I get to hear what's what's being

9:43

played. Right. And it is bone

9:45

chilling the shit that she's getting shoved at like

9:48

endless conspiracy theories in that fucking

9:50

robot voice. And that

9:53

stuff is so easy to make. I just thought

9:55

about doing it just to just to, you know,

9:57

fuck around and start putting in TikTok videos with

9:59

the just. crazy as shit because that's what

10:01

that's already there though you know to get

10:04

through that noise would be incredibly hard. Yep

10:06

unless you unless you're Chinese. Yep.

10:08

Unless you're the Chinese government then you got right

10:10

through. Yes or if you've read this

10:12

next article that I found on 404 media

10:15

called Inside the World of TikTok Spammers

10:17

and the AI Tools That Enable Them.

10:20

This is a fantastic article that goes

10:22

really deep on the people who are

10:25

basically just you know weaponizing

10:27

TikTok for financial gain on this

10:30

for this one and

10:32

I have to recommend the podcast that goes

10:34

with it. They have a sister podcast and

10:36

they where they go behind the scenes on

10:38

the article and it's hilarious

10:40

listening to these scammers

10:42

are basically scamming each other so it

10:45

is turned into an ouroboros of scams.

10:48

There are there are guides on how to sell

10:50

guides to make money off of selling guides for

10:52

the people who want to buy the guides to

10:55

do the thing. It's hilarious. God

10:57

bless late stage capitalism. Yeah

10:59

and these are all on paid discord

11:01

channels surprisingly. Wow. Yeah there's a lot

11:05

of that going on but I mean it's

11:07

a it's a longish article but it has

11:09

lots and lots of details so I highly

11:11

recommend getting a cup of coffee kicking back

11:13

and reading this and if you if it's

11:15

behind the paywall pay the people. 404 media

11:18

is phenomenal and they I gladly give

11:20

them my 10 bucks every month. Very

11:22

cool. Well I mean I

11:24

know you've been on and off Facebook a

11:27

lot or basically any of the meta

11:29

apps. I don't know have you ever

11:31

been locked out and unable to get

11:33

back in? Has that ever happened to

11:35

you? Absolutely yes it has. It's impossible

11:37

right? It takes a lot of work. It

11:39

takes a lot of work and finally what you have

11:41

to do is find somebody who knows somebody. That's how

11:44

it when it comes down to. Yeah and I mean

11:46

just that's a more extreme example but we've been complaining

11:48

about how there's no customer service at

11:50

all anywhere. Right. Like you used to go to

11:52

Twitter but now everybody just ignores it because oh

11:54

well gee I wonder why because the head of

11:56

Twitter got rid of his entire customer service department

11:58

and just does poo poo. Gee, shocking.

12:01

So everybody's kind of given up on this.

12:03

Well, a group of 41 state attorneys general

12:05

are demanding that Meta step up and support

12:07

services for users who have been victims of

12:09

hacks and ad account takeovers and been locked

12:11

out of their accounts. I

12:14

basically put this article in for this one

12:16

sentence. We refuse to operate

12:18

as the customer service representatives of your company,

12:20

the group writes in a letter addressed to

12:22

Meta's chief legal officer, which

12:25

is kind of true. So

12:28

they're basically saying you need to invest

12:30

in this. You need to have customer

12:32

service for this. We are tired of

12:34

people writing us because Reddit on Reddit,

12:36

that's basically what they're telling people to

12:38

do. You have no option unless you

12:40

know somebody to get any help from

12:43

the company whatsoever. And for people who

12:45

haven't known anybody, they are going to

12:47

their local state law enforcement. Yeah. Or

12:49

the FBI. Yeah. And they've

12:51

been able to actually help more than often because

12:53

you know, you're either gonna listen to somebody, you

12:55

know, or when the government comes calling you go,

12:57

okay, we'll take care of Jane

12:59

Doe's account now. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

13:01

It's amazing how that subpoena power

13:03

actually works. But

13:06

yeah, it's, I mean, think about

13:08

it this way too. It's like, it's kind of

13:10

hard to do a customer service department when 3

13:12

billion people are your customers and there's only 4

13:15

billion people left to actually hire to do that.

13:17

Hmm. That's true. But

13:19

you know, they got to do something. They got

13:21

to do something. That's ridiculous. And

13:24

here's the funny part. As soon

13:26

as soon as I heard this, I'm thinking, Hmm,

13:28

I'm wondering how I can game that department once

13:30

that gets spun up to actually use them to

13:32

take over other people's accounts to say that I

13:34

was hacked and actually get it to

13:36

skip somebody else's account. Did you

13:39

know that's going to happen? Of course, that's going to happen.

13:41

Yes. It's all crap now. Well,

13:44

additionally, this was looking like it was going to

13:46

be lawsuit episode, but we kind of breaking news,

13:48

pushed it down a little bit, but let's enter

13:50

into lawsuit land now, Jason. All right. The EU

13:52

is find Apple nearly $2 billion, well, 1.95 Billion

13:56

and US dollars for restricting alternative music stream.

13:58

the out on the app store is the

14:01

he is first fine for Apple is his

14:03

third largest ever announced. This is not to

14:05

have this is not aka change although Apple

14:07

is a trillion dollar. Least.

14:10

Or to the matter, my thesis. I mean, if

14:12

a lot of coffee, but it's still tough one.

14:15

I yeah so this is following an investigation

14:17

open and twenty twenty following Spotify file a

14:19

complaint alleging Apple took steps to suppress the

14:22

music service to the competition with I Tunes

14:24

and Apple Music. the of announced that Apple

14:26

Band Music streaming app developers from fully informing

14:28

I was users about alternative and cheaper music

14:31

subscription services available outside of the app and

14:33

from providing any instructions about how to subscribe

14:35

to such offers to which I kind of

14:38

safe. Is it really that hard. We

14:41

all know as my at our exists the

14:43

average still doesn't matter of principle of the

14:45

thing we'll find out my movement by Bluebird

14:48

dancing around this since Microsoft released for a

14:50

certain a Windows. Movie in home

14:52

and I do their thing. It's their

14:54

package they put on their preferred software

14:56

out is really not that hard to

14:58

find other things but I agree, you

15:00

shouldn't be doing this so. While.

15:02

And some the effects of to So's Well, So

15:05

and the two billion dollars I. Yep!

15:08

And. As I think it's going

15:10

to get worse because the Epic

15:12

apple. Point Bf

15:14

back on back on big time

15:17

he of so ideal The are

15:19

here. He that we

15:21

all know the the story of apple an

15:23

epic already with the the lawsuits indeed about

15:25

the store and the percentages know that crap

15:28

which we know kind of goes into the

15:30

dia may where we have to these new

15:32

stores coming online in the u as well.

15:36

As. this post and the eve

15:38

of everything opening up and unicorns

15:40

flying out of it out tim

15:43

cook's button everybody getting along happy

15:45

well apple decided to say a

15:47

few again to a bag and

15:49

shut down there developer accounts because

15:52

the head of epic made a

15:54

tweet chimp to try to did

15:56

have a musketeer he totally for

15:58

the must care Don't you said

16:00

you said that? Oh really now I'm gonna bitch

16:02

slap you. Mm-hmm Exactly.

16:05

Let me pull out my three trillion dollar cock

16:07

and whack you in the face with it is

16:09

basically what he did except

16:12

Except the people at the

16:15

EU are not very happy about EU

16:18

Commissioner Terry Breton says under the DMA

16:20

there is no room for threats by

16:22

gatekeepers to silence developers I have asked

16:24

our services to look into Apple's termination

16:26

of epics developer account is a matter

16:28

of priority so

16:31

Yes So they might

16:33

be find a few more billion dollars if

16:35

they keep this crap up. So this is

16:38

an ongoing story But yeah, yeah,

16:40

no, I thought I think Apple

16:42

thought that they were gonna pull a mic drop on epic But

16:45

turn it out. I think it's gonna turn out the way they

16:48

think No, I don't think this

16:50

one's gonna I don't think this the odds

16:52

will never be in Tim's favor

16:54

on this one No, so we'll see

16:56

how that's gonna go now more lawsuits

16:58

this one This one I just love

17:01

this one Elon Musk is soupy suing

17:03

open AI over AI and

17:05

the word open Because when

17:07

Elon came along he said ah, this is

17:09

going to be open. Let's do it. We

17:11

and It's the beginning

17:14

even when open AI was founded We

17:17

you and I were scratching our heads on the show. We're

17:19

like, wait a minute Didn't

17:21

Elon last week sign something that said AI

17:23

is terrible and is going to destroy the

17:25

world. Oh, yes, that's right. He did What

17:28

did he do this week? Oh, he invested

17:30

in an AI company. Hmm interesting

17:35

Yes, so Elon

17:38

is basically saying that open AI is now

17:40

just a subsidy of Microsoft and that the

17:42

profit motive has driven them off the rails

17:45

When kind of sounds like X Yeah

17:49

Open AI and Sam Altman said hold

17:51

my beer and and then they said

17:53

but but but his emails But

17:55

his emails would you like to see them? So

17:58

they've basically come back and

18:00

said, here are all the emails that Elon sent that

18:03

said, hey, we're going to have to be for profit.

18:05

So his lawsuit is trash and make

18:08

it go away. So we're going to see

18:10

how this plays out. But OpenAI has just

18:12

said, fuck you. I mean, literally

18:14

that's, that's, that was kind of like, you

18:16

know, Biden in the old debate going,

18:18

oh, shut up, man. It's

18:22

basically the same thing. So in

18:24

this case, I'm on Sam Altman

18:26

side. Me too. And OpenAI side. I think

18:28

it's, I think it's just a stupid frivolous

18:30

lawsuit where Elon is still trying to put

18:32

roadblocks in the way. So OpenAI, so him

18:35

and his grok can get a little bit

18:37

of a leg up. Yeah.

18:39

Which as far as I can tell, nobody uses. Except

18:43

Elon. Except Elon. Yeah. Well,

18:45

since we opened up the Elon hole, we did get a bit

18:47

of listener feedback. Don wrote in, enjoy

18:49

the podcast, but have some listener feedback. A few

18:52

shows ago, you were going off on Elon Musk

18:54

about something. He said something to the effect of

18:56

him being a drug addict. First, I don't know

18:58

anything about his drug habits except that he likes

19:00

psychedelics. Second, I don't like Elon Musk

19:02

myself, but I don't think it's helpful to disparage

19:04

people who may be addicted to substances, legal or

19:06

not. People who are addicted to

19:08

drugs are just people with a health problem. Trash

19:10

talking for being a dick, not for his possible

19:12

health problems. The hypocrisy is thick when you read

19:14

off an ad for THC products in the same show

19:16

or what it's worth. I do enjoy edibles

19:19

myself. Okay. First,

19:21

his dabbling with recreational drugs, drugs

19:23

is documented in depth. It's no

19:25

secret. It's not being outed by

19:27

any means from getting stoned on a podcast with

19:29

Rogan to Ketamine. There is no doubt about

19:31

this. Psychedelics is a new one to

19:34

me, but given his relationship with Grimes, that doesn't seem

19:36

too surprising. I just haven't seen that documented. I

19:38

myself may have dabbled in some of these things.

19:41

Also worth pointing out that THC oils and whatnot

19:43

have no active compounds, but that's a

19:45

different story. I have nothing

19:47

but utmost empathy and respect for people

19:49

struggling with addiction, but there is a

19:51

great deal of difference between my say

19:53

cousin or friend or even myself struggling

19:56

with addiction versus somebody with a fiduciary

19:58

responsibility to the shareholders of one publicly

20:00

traded company, Tesla, and as the CEO

20:02

of five other companies, which employ thousands

20:04

of people whose livelihood depend on it.

20:06

With great power comes great responsibility, you

20:08

should be held to a higher standard.

20:11

Agreed. And I put a

20:13

link in the show notes to Elon Musk's

20:15

drug habits, so you can go check that

20:17

out. That came out before our

20:19

rant on it, calling him a drug addict, because it

20:21

was in the Wall Street Journal. So

20:24

we put a link to a different one, because the

20:26

Wall Street Journal is behind a paywall. So

20:29

and speaking on disparaging people who

20:31

are drug addicts and that,

20:33

look, I am 429 days sober,

20:35

I'm going through addiction recovery. I can

20:37

say whatever the fuck I want about

20:39

Elon. Sorry. That's the way

20:42

it goes. I am in active recovery. I spend three

20:44

hours a day on this stuff. I

20:46

can call him out for being whatever the fuck he

20:48

is, because it says it in the press. So we're

20:50

going with that. But that's

20:52

neither here nor there or anywhere.

20:55

But it really comes down to exactly what

20:57

you said, Brian. He is the CEO of

21:00

a publicly traded company. He's also the CEO

21:02

of a company that is beholden to NASA,

21:04

which has very strict rules and regulations about

21:06

drug use and the things that they shoot,

21:09

I don't know, into fucking space. And

21:11

he has broken those rules. So

21:14

that is what gets my goat on

21:16

the whole thing. He should not, he should be removed from

21:19

the boards of those companies if he wants to keep smoking

21:21

the wacky tonight. Yeah, he can do whatever he wants. By

21:23

the way, legal. If he wants to go, it's

21:25

legal. It's

21:28

legal, but it's also not legal to drive a car. It's

21:30

probably not legal to launch a rocket into space while you're

21:32

high. NASA, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I

21:34

know. That's the whole point

21:36

about this thing. It's not

21:39

what he's doing. It's the position he's in as

21:41

somebody who is doing it. If he wants to

21:43

go fucking party in Ibiza and all that sort

21:45

of stuff, fine. Take a leave of absence from

21:47

all your companies. I think it's Ibiza.

21:50

Yeah, I know. I hate people who say

21:52

Barcelona too. Barcelona. All

21:55

right. Well,

21:57

Claire, now, the CEO says, hey,

21:59

I can. do the job of the seven. I think

22:01

it's the Flarno. Flarno. Flarno.

22:04

No, it's Larno. The K is

22:06

silent. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. So

22:09

they're canning, or the AI that they have can

22:11

do the work of 700 customer service agents. Well,

22:14

send them over to bed. Yeah, they

22:16

need them over there. So

22:20

maybe Klarna needs to get in bed

22:22

with Llama, and then they can all

22:24

work together. You need me? Yeah. So

22:26

yeah, they're going to be knocking off a bunch

22:29

of people. Okay. Because it turns out that if

22:31

you go look at the stats in the article,

22:33

the AI is actually doing way better than the

22:35

people are. That's not surprising at

22:37

all. No. The people are working off

22:39

of the outdated handbook. They don't

22:41

make any decisions or think. Or

22:43

generally speak the language natively. That's true,

22:45

too. For the most part. Yeah.

22:48

There's a couple links in the show notes about

22:50

this. There's another one called How Klarna Uses AI

22:52

on Ben's Bites, a great newsletter I highly recommend

22:55

subscribing to. But yeah,

22:57

check it out. They've got the numbers there. It's

22:59

ridiculous how much faster the AI

23:01

is doing it. Customers now resolve their issues in

23:03

less than two minutes. A stark improvement from the

23:05

previous 11 minutes from a

23:08

human. So yeah. Yeah.

23:12

We're not saying they're getting great customer service.

23:14

We're just saying they're getting adequate customer service

23:16

in a faster time. Well,

23:19

back to lawsuits. The group of former

23:21

Twitter executives, including former CEO Parag Agarwal,

23:23

are suing Elon Musk and HEX over

23:25

millions of dollars in unpaid severance benefits

23:27

because their big fat cushions weren't enough.

23:30

But I agree. Get the money that you're owed

23:33

out of these people. So yeah, Elon Musk had

23:35

basically, they're just not

23:37

paying the severance. He bought the company.

23:39

He fired them all immediately. He tried to get out

23:41

of paying them. He tried to save us for just

23:44

cause and all this other stuff. But basically, it's going

23:46

to go to court as it should.

23:49

Yeah. Yeah. I

23:51

mean, it's disgusting that Agarwal is entitled to $57.4 million in

23:53

severance benefits. Yeah.

23:57

Somebody was getting paid a little too much. You think?

24:00

I could. I can see why you are

24:02

a little peeved of that. Yeah I mean

24:04

it is ridiculous the amounts of money, especially

24:06

when you think about how well Twitter was

24:08

doing. It's it's like waiting for a that

24:10

as of right I mean it is. It's

24:12

know we work situation or even are what's

24:15

her face. from the opposite parfait for into

24:17

executive that got paid millions of dollars to

24:19

run a company under ground. but this. Was

24:22

in a do well. Here's. What

24:24

you're going to do You going to sell

24:26

all your dataset, a ice scrapers number and

24:28

wordpress are now going to be selling all

24:30

of your data as who belong to them

24:33

right to a any a company that wants

24:35

to Given the cash this is. I been

24:37

able to find out anything about this in

24:39

the past couple days. It seems to kind

24:41

of died down in the news. but yeah

24:43

of basically if you have a tumbler account

24:46

or a wordpress.com accounts they will not be

24:48

scrape you have a self in. so wordpress

24:50

they won't be scraping. It's all know someone

24:52

did say that well if you're using. Jetpack.

24:54

they might be epidemic is the kind I

24:56

have access to everything then they are. Yeah,

24:59

they have access to everything is is he

25:01

isn't wordpress to a Jetpack back up. They're

25:03

going to literally have your entire site over

25:05

there. Are there going to be rolling out

25:07

of course and opt out? Option not and

25:09

often of cool. No, not enough to in

25:12

an oven out. And they say these say

25:14

that if your data has been previously scrapes

25:16

they will let the provider know that you

25:18

would like to opt out. Does not mean

25:20

that anything's going to happen after that point.

25:23

They're just gonna say. A joe over

25:25

here doesn't want to opt in anymore. Or

25:29

to isolator. Yeah.

25:33

Well. going back to the apple lawsuit about

25:35

love the different music apps are another proposed

25:37

class action lawsuit coming that is accusing apple

25:39

of mock monopolizing cloud storage for it's devices

25:41

they're basically saying if you don't use their

25:44

high cloud they make it very difficult for

25:46

you to use anything else and add to

25:48

this this one i actually one hundred percent

25:50

agree with because you are i phone i

25:52

pod users have the option the store certain

25:54

types of files with non apple cloud storage

25:57

promoters but not all you still need i

25:59

cloud for App data and

26:01

device settings only iCloud has permission to host

26:03

those so you are stuck on the percent

26:05

using iCloud Yeah, yeah, you

26:07

can't do that use that stuff with you can't use

26:09

Dropbox with that. So you cannot some So

26:12

I think the $2 is gonna be coming to us soon

26:14

Jason. I don't know man the way apples going I don't

26:16

think they're gonna have two bucks left I'm

26:19

sure though. I think they're gonna be okay.

26:21

I'm guessing I'm guessing The

26:24

funny thing is even if they open the app

26:26

store let anybody do apps Let

26:28

let if they just shut everything down and

26:30

said hey It's the Wild West like I

26:32

don't know on my computer that I bought

26:34

from Apple It works just

26:36

fine with everybody's software. I bet they

26:39

would do okay Yeah, you know,

26:42

they would still be okay because everybody would just go.

26:44

Oh, I guess I can just use iCloud Oh, there's

26:46

another one that I can try that one sucked. So

26:48

I'll just go back to iCloud Oh, you know what?

26:50

They should just do Invest in

26:52

iCloud and make it not suck so fucking much.

26:54

That would be nice. That would be nice I

26:57

don't know why it takes five minutes to log into

26:59

it every single time I have to log out because

27:01

you still haven't fixed message and writing Android and it

27:03

just craps out every now and then and Why

27:06

is it that every other week when I

27:08

log into my messages on my computer that

27:10

I'm logged out and I can't log back

27:12

In period without three reboots. Yep in a

27:15

you know, P Ram zapper to Jesus Everyone

27:18

had to zap the PRM. Oh gosh.

27:20

Yes, I zap that PRM often. Yeah,

27:23

the four-finger salute. I Love

27:25

this next one just from the title

27:27

alone. Google launches five million dollar prize

27:30

to find actual uses for quantum computers

27:34

So guys we're spending a lot of money

27:36

building these things What

27:39

do you do with them? But

27:42

it's quantum man, it sounds cool Yeah,

27:47

Google has shacked up with X prize and

27:49

they're going to basically try and figure out

27:52

how to use these things in the future

27:54

It's literally what it says on the tin.

27:56

They're trying to come up with algorithms that

27:58

will have like some net benefit official use

28:00

of humanity, not just TikTok,

28:02

not just QuantumTok. I'm

28:05

sure it's going to speed up the blockchain, you know, the

28:07

thing that was going to change the whole world. Don't

28:11

even get me started on the fucking blockchain. Oh wait,

28:13

let me- We're about to. We got two stories coming

28:15

now. You know what? Let me just get started on

28:17

the blockchain. Nevermind. Google, good luck with

28:19

you. Good luck with you. OpenSea's

28:22

partnership with Coachella is a sign that NFTs

28:24

can be more than profile pictures. Actually to

28:26

me, it's a sign that Coachella has jumped

28:28

the shark. Oh shit, brother.

28:32

In a groundbreaking move, OpenSea has joined

28:35

forces with Coachella, leading the charge in

28:37

showcasing the evolving utility of NFTs beyond

28:39

just digital profile pictures. I'd like to

28:41

know how this is groundbreaking because this

28:44

is one of the first things that

28:46

people try to do with NFTs. Brian,

28:49

Brian, wait. Groundbreaking. This

28:52

partnership heralds the launch of three

28:54

unique NFT collections that bridge the

28:56

virtual world with the physical, offering

28:58

exclusive VIP experiences and merchandise for

29:01

the Iconic Music and Arts Festival.

29:03

The first collection dubbed the

29:06

VIP Plus Plus Oasis Lounge

29:08

Keepsake, ah, this is hard,

29:10

has already hit the market priced at $1,499 each and

29:12

limited to 1,000 NFTs, granting holders special

29:17

access to the 2024 festival and

29:20

additional exclusive perks. Well, you better

29:22

keep it limited because the fucking whole point of

29:24

a VIP area is it's well,

29:27

there's a thousand people going to be in this VIP

29:29

area, so it ain't that fucking limited. The

29:31

toilets are still going to be broken and crappy. You

29:34

know, basically I have an idea and it's

29:36

kind of an idea that has come before.

29:41

Sell them a pass and a

29:43

badge. That worked pretty well. Rispans. I've

29:46

still got my collection of VIP Coachella Rispans.

29:48

They worked really well. They did work really

29:50

well, didn't they? Yeah,

29:53

so if my phone died because I'm out

29:56

in the middle of the sun all

29:58

day, hanging, doing drugs with

30:00

me. with Elon and dancing to Grimes and

30:02

my phone dies and I can't pull up

30:04

my QR code or my pretty NFT bauble

30:06

to get into the VIP area. Do

30:09

I just have to pee myself right there in line? What's

30:11

going to happen there? Come on. Well,

30:14

let's talk about another stunning use of blockchain and

30:16

how it's changed the whole world. The

30:19

crypto community took a victory lap on Tuesday with the

30:21

news that the price of Bitcoin hit an all-time high

30:23

of $69,210. Well,

30:27

then they got a little more depressed when the value dropped a full 8%

30:29

just a few hours later. But

30:31

it marked a stunning recovery from the crypto crash of

30:34

2022. So

30:37

of course, Bitcoin's rally was evidence for

30:39

BitBros and that cryptocurrency is a good

30:41

investment, but there's just one problem with

30:43

that math. Okay,

30:45

adjusted for inflation, Bitcoin is actually worth

30:48

less than it was three years ago.

30:51

So let's do the math. Last time Bitcoin broke

30:53

records was on November 10th, 2021 when the price

30:55

of one Bitcoin hit But

30:59

perhaps you've heard about skyrocketing inflation over the

31:02

past few years. When you adjust

31:04

for inflation using data from the Bureau of Labor

31:06

Statistics, that's about $76,544.11 in today's dollars. In

31:12

other words, when Bitcoin hit its most recent peak, it was worth

31:14

$7,334 less than it

31:17

was in 2021. That's

31:19

the difference of about 9.6%. So

31:22

it did not hit an all time high.

31:25

Great. Do you think

31:27

that's going to stop the BitBros from GMing the

31:29

Twitter feeds every day? Nope. Nope.

31:33

Not at all. Oh,

31:36

now here's another one that

31:38

had me scratching my head. Scientists

31:40

warn dimming the sun is simply too

31:42

dangerous. Well, thank God I was about

31:44

to hit the button. I know.

31:47

I got this little dial on my wall here.

31:50

It's in my cyber truck. It's

31:52

right next to the windshield wipers. Yeah.

31:55

So basically there's a very long article

31:57

that say, yeah, unintended consequences could be

31:59

really bad guys. Like really

32:02

bad. Uh, who even

32:04

threw out this idea? Unbelievable. Like

32:06

we'd have the ability to do this. Well,

32:09

we kind of do, which is the scary part. Well,

32:11

yeah, but that's gonna kill us all. Well,

32:13

yeah. No, there's a lot

32:15

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36:46

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36:48

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36:50

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36:53

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36:55

was fantastic. And

36:57

it's certainly an intriguing premise. I'm

36:59

looking forward to watching more. Alright. They're

37:02

up to episode five. I'm halfway through that and

37:04

I fell asleep. I had a long day. It

37:07

wasn't the quality of the show. It was actually pretty

37:09

good. I was just so damn tired. Yeah. No, it

37:11

looks like a really good show. So I'm definitely, I'm

37:13

up for it. I'm breaking my needs to have three

37:15

seasons rule, but you know, it's the Apple shows. They

37:18

pour the money in. So why not? Yeah,

37:20

God, if they can keep foundation on the air for

37:22

this long, why not? Yeah.

37:26

Unfortunately, I had a Dune 2 fail this week. We

37:29

wanted to go see it in IMAX. Apparently, kids

37:31

go to IMAX movies a lot now because

37:33

they were all sold out. Oh,

37:36

alright. Yeah, we were going to

37:38

go check it out on Wednesday and we went like Tuesday

37:40

night. We're saying, oh, let's go get some tickets. And then

37:42

it's like, oh, wait a minute. They're all

37:44

sold out. Yeah, I want to

37:46

go in and see it. I just don't know when

37:48

I'm going to get a chance because my wife is

37:50

not interested and it's certainly not an appropriate movie for

37:52

a seven-year-old. So it's got to be sometime I can

37:54

actually get to a theater alone. So

37:57

we'll see about that. I'll sneak

37:59

out to one of those midnights. showings. You're

38:02

an old man, you don't do past midnight, I'm guessing. No, not

38:04

anymore. Not when I have to be up at 6am. No thank

38:07

you. Yeah, no thank you. No

38:09

sandworms worth that much trouble. But

38:12

speaking of cancellations, The Brothers Soon has

38:14

been canceled by Netflix after just one

38:16

season. That's a bummer because I actually

38:18

really did enjoy the show. I,

38:21

you know, I was on my list to get

38:23

into. I got that and a show gun is

38:25

on that list. I said that'd be a fun

38:27

one too. But yeah, and here's the

38:30

thing. This thing was in the top

38:32

10 of English language series. And if

38:34

that can't make it on Netflix, then

38:36

what's the fucking point? I actually I'm

38:38

wondering if they just had trouble booking

38:40

everybody, you know, and I'm like, Michelle,

38:42

yeah, she's busy. She's

38:45

a busy woman. Yeah, it could have just been like,

38:47

you know what? We're not going to be able to

38:49

line everybody up again for this for like five more

38:51

years. So we're done. And, you know,

38:53

even if as we watched the last episode, my

38:56

wife and I both kind of looked at each

38:58

other and went, you know, if that's it, we're

39:00

okay with that. Wouldn't mind more. But if that's

39:02

it, that's fine. Oh, good. Okay,

39:04

then I get that's worth watching then. Yeah, totally.

39:06

It's a it's a it wraps up a show

39:08

like it's done. They could do more if they

39:10

wanted to, but it certainly was self-contained. Oh,

39:13

good. Oh, oh, that that makes me happy because I was

39:15

kind of bummed that I was. I

39:17

was going to do the I was going to pull the showmeister and

39:19

bail on it. But no, if if

39:22

it does wrap up well enough, then it does

39:24

go for it. You're not going to be disappointed.

39:26

Okay, great, great. Another

39:29

thing that puts me in a happy mood is

39:31

crime scene kitchen has been renewed for a third

39:33

season by Fox. Okay. I'm a

39:35

simple man now, Brian. You do like these

39:37

shows. Shows like crime

39:39

scene kitchen actually make me very, very happy.

39:41

I don't know why. You

39:44

know, I do have brain damage. So, you know,

39:46

your mileage may vary. I

39:49

don't know if you know, doesn't explain for me because

39:51

I'm kind of the same way. Not those shows. I

39:53

like the actual cooking ones, but I can throw on

39:55

the food network on their Saturday and

39:57

Sunday morning programming and just watch for hours. makes

40:00

me very happy. All right. We are

40:02

old. ShadowRoo

40:06

on Discord, hat tip for this

40:08

one, the Fallout trailer came for

40:10

the Prime Video series. It

40:12

looks pretty good. All right. I'm

40:15

not a huge fan of the game Fallout. I just

40:17

think the mechanics piss me off, but, um,

40:20

this actually looks pretty good and pretty

40:22

funny. So enjoy watching

40:24

that with the ads that they now interject

40:27

because you're paying for the service. Maybe

40:29

I'll just go to Sweden. Fuck them. I

40:32

won't feel bad. I pay for, you know, Prime

40:34

already. So, hey, you paid for that content. If

40:36

you get it somewhere that doesn't have ads, whenever

40:38

I should actually join the class action lawsuit,

40:41

because I'm going to have to pay for

40:43

bandwidth to circumvent their shitty ads. That's right.

40:45

Yeah. And the time involved,

40:47

they can charge them my hourly rate for watching

40:50

their TV show. But

40:52

anyway, it comes out April 11th. All

40:54

right. More streaming

40:56

news on that. Warner brothers discovery plans to

40:58

join Netflix and Disney and preventing max users

41:01

from sharing their passwords with friends and family

41:03

who don't live in the primary household. As

41:05

per usual, there has actually no real, um,

41:08

information about how they're going to do it or

41:10

what options will be available, but they will start

41:13

a crackdown later this year. The

41:15

funny thing is that this is a thing. Yeah.

41:17

It's all started because Netflix actually stepped on

41:20

their dick at the beginning saying, we don't

41:22

mind if you share your passwords, which was

41:24

stupid. It was dumb because then people who

41:26

hadn't been doing it started. Uh-huh.

41:29

They're like, Oh, really? They got together with their friends. Yeah.

41:32

I just assumed that they'd had, you know, some

41:34

kind of password protection locked out on it, so

41:37

I never did it until they said, Hey, we're

41:39

okay with it. I'm like, here you go. You

41:41

know, yep. I'd

41:45

be more bothered by it if I didn't think within the

41:47

next year or two, there's basically going to be two to

41:49

three services and that's it because they're all

41:51

going to consolidate, but you know, whatever. Yeah.

41:55

Cops and doodads. All

41:59

right, Brian, we're going to start. It off with a

42:01

steam game today. Roka. Yeah.

42:03

You'd be right up here for this when date

42:05

of they get this one from data Plex or

42:07

discord said big had tip their it's old epstein.

42:10

Face. It here's the

42:12

description Survive a mysterious island

42:15

in thwart the sinister plans

42:17

of Jeffery in Epstein Battle

42:19

the Blood depended more bidders

42:21

and forged alliances with other

42:23

survivors to confront Jeffery in

42:26

his Grand Temple Master Survival

42:28

tactics and strategic gameplay and

42:30

is intense adventure Bravo Now.

42:33

Here's what would get me to actually play this

42:35

game. You should be able to play. As.

42:38

Donald Trump or Prince

42:40

Andrew go jade Super

42:42

delegates. Now.

42:44

If they did that I'm in. that

42:46

would be funny. that will be forty

42:48

or the think about it is it

42:50

looks terrible was one of course game

42:52

course it's you know but I did

42:54

Just kudos to the developer for the

42:56

effort in Wales. The very clever very

42:58

funny. Yeah. And

43:00

I've been diving back into draft this week.

43:02

I've been using it for a lot of

43:05

different things a seat, a real quick note

43:07

taking and things like that. But I used

43:09

to save the stories that I read on

43:11

the show every week using reader and the

43:13

read later feature. And then I

43:15

was using pin board as well. and drastic

43:17

after all these things in three different places

43:19

I was so dresses been great for that.

43:21

and the other reason I was really getting

43:23

into a to As because I was been

43:26

digging into Ghost the publishing platform. In,

43:28

I am extraordinarily impressed with Ghost. I

43:31

have to say I looked into it

43:33

briefly as a wordpress replacements for on

43:35

my work and I was really impressed

43:37

by a To. It's a solid system.

43:39

Or. Yeah, we the solid system because

43:41

it can replace a blog, he can

43:43

do a subtext our newsletter pain and

43:46

he can do a patron replacement for

43:48

podcasts but can do and F T's

43:50

geez I actually think it might be

43:52

hip hop because he hadn't either. Get

43:54

Bill! Ah. But. The nice part about it

43:57

is. it's one payments so if you're going

43:59

to be like If

44:01

we decided to do Patreon, we'd have to pay like

44:03

300 bucks for the whole year. But

44:05

we keep all of the money. There's

44:08

no percentage on top of that that

44:10

they take. You still have to pay

44:12

the Stripe fee, which is not nearly

44:14

as much. In a sense, Patreon has

44:16

kind of jumped the shark and started

44:18

charging exorbitant prices for absolutely no service,

44:21

besides canceling your users when Patreon folks go.

44:23

When they screw up, yeah. Yeah,

44:26

no. So Ghost is really,

44:28

really piquing my interest. So I started a

44:30

new blog on Ghost. Yes,

44:33

I started a blog, Brian. Okay.

44:36

From the old days. It's over at JPD.me. You

44:38

can sign up and... I hope you're not writing

44:40

daily tech updates. No, I'm not writing

44:42

daily tech updates. Go fuck yourself. I'm

44:45

just trying to save you the trouble again. No, I'm

44:47

not doing that anymore. No, no, no. Unless

44:49

there's a big paycheck involved with it

44:51

and a staff, then I will do

44:53

anything daily again. But if

44:55

you're not going to bitner me, give me a staff

44:58

and give me a paycheck, then no. No way. It's

45:01

silly. Silly. So yeah,

45:03

I'm just loving Ghost so far. But

45:05

yeah, check out the new blog, JPD.me. All Ghost-powered. And

45:08

you can even sign up with it. I didn't even want

45:10

to know it was going to be a thing, but you

45:12

sign up for an email newsletter that'll send you an email

45:14

when it comes out. It's like front and center. So

45:17

yeah, it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. Now,

45:20

the other thing that I've got this week, I've

45:22

been beta testing this behind the scenes. It's

45:25

called Clean My Phone from our good friends at

45:27

MacPaw. All right. And

45:30

I used to use

45:32

Gemini to go and try and clear up duplicates and things like that, except

45:35

I had a couple instances where Gemini just didn't

45:37

really work that good and deleted

45:39

a bunch of stuff. So I've been using it very sparingly.

45:42

And when Clean My Phone came

45:44

out, it has a really beautiful

45:46

declutterer and deduper. And

45:49

it'll actually look for blurry photos, kind

45:52

of similar photos, actual duplicate photos. I

45:54

cleaned up 13 gig of dupes, just

45:56

pure dupes off my phone. Right. That,

45:59

they're a lot of different. is worth the price

46:01

of admission, you know. Very cool. It

46:03

does come with a speed tester too, which I don't

46:05

know why, but. Why not?

46:07

You can check your internet speed in there as well. But

46:10

it also has some AI organization tools

46:13

in there that are, I think, getting,

46:15

I think that's gonna come

46:17

with time, but the

46:20

actual cleanup storage is

46:22

the hero of this app, and it

46:24

is well worth it. I don't actually know how much it is,

46:26

because since I've been beta testing it, but as soon as my

46:28

beta expires and I have to go buy it, I'm

46:30

gonna get it right away. So link in the show notes, check it out. All

46:33

right, definitely will check that out. I mean CleanMyMac is

46:35

a staple, so I'd love that one for the phone.

46:37

Yeah, and if you wanna get CleanMyMac, check

46:39

the link for set app in the show

46:41

notes as well, because you can get CleanMyMac

46:43

with your set app account. So there you

46:46

go. There you go. That's

46:52

the library. So

46:55

Brian, I forgot another book last week that I was

46:57

meant to add to my list of shit that I'm

47:00

reading. The Bezel came

47:02

out from Cory Doctorow. This

47:04

is the second in the Marty Hinch series. I

47:07

read the first book in the Hinch series

47:09

before, and I reviewed it for the show,

47:11

and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I thought it

47:14

was probably Cory's best bit of fiction so

47:16

far. So this

47:18

one, I did the Kickstarter to

47:20

buy the audio book, read by Will Fucking Wheaton,

47:22

of course, which works. He actually

47:25

did a really good job in the last one. He's

47:27

getting less annoying to me, mainly because he's not in

47:29

every single book that I listen to. It's

47:32

a real kick in the nuts when a

47:34

Doctorow comes out, a Sculzy comes out, and

47:36

any other random sci-fi comes out, and they're

47:38

all read by Will Wheaton. What

47:41

world am I in? I know, exactly. I mean,

47:43

it's hard enough. We get universe creep already, just

47:46

from trying to keep the story straight, but when

47:48

the same person is reading the stories, it

47:50

drives me crazy. So I

47:52

started it, but yeah, working my way through it.

47:55

I did finish Slow

47:57

Productivity. The Lost Art of a-

48:00

accomplishment without burnout by Cal Newport. So

48:02

I've been talking about for a couple of weeks

48:04

on the show. It's actually a short read and

48:06

it is what it says on the tin. It's all

48:08

about slow productivity. So it, I mean,

48:11

it's, it's Cal, he does what he

48:13

does. You know, so if you're into that

48:15

kind of, if you're into Cal Newport stuff, um,

48:18

with deep work and now slow productivity, I highly

48:20

recommend it. If you already, you know, practice that

48:22

stuff, it's a nice refresher on

48:24

how to just slow the fuck down and actually get

48:26

deep into an idea, which is why I partially

48:29

started the blog so I can have a place to

48:31

put out the stuff that I've been thinking and writing

48:33

and, you know, basically talking to myself in the dark

48:35

room. Now I get to talk to myself in a

48:37

dark room, but everybody gets to see. So there you

48:39

go. Right. Uh, I

48:42

ended up reading, uh, well, I had finished one

48:44

of the first contact series books, uh, by Peter

48:46

Coudron for the last episode and because I had

48:48

finished it and then I got super lazy and

48:50

I went to Amazon to try to find a

48:52

new book to read and I was

48:54

just like, God damn it, I'm too lazy to find anything

48:56

right now. He's got 20 some odd of these. I'll just

48:59

do another one. Brian, you're

49:01

not supposed to do that. That's why we

49:03

made the rule. Well, that's for books that

49:05

like are linear though, right? They're continuation. This

49:07

is just the same author. They're all different.

49:10

It doesn't matter, man. You got to break it up.

49:12

Well, I know I should have and I broke my

49:14

rule, but sometimes rules are made to be broken, Jason.

49:17

Okay. Okay. Well, what about, why didn't you read the second part

49:19

of that last one that we were going through? Uh,

49:22

because it's not out yet. Oh, well,

49:24

that would be a good reason not to. That

49:26

was the first thing that I attempted to go do. And

49:29

then I realized it's not out until like June, I think.

49:31

So we've got to wait for that one. Oh,

49:33

good. I can take my time. I'll put that one at the back of the

49:36

list. Then I thought I had another

49:38

one on deck for that. Okay. No, no, that's that.

49:40

What was that book called now? Infinity

49:43

gate. Infinity's gate. Yeah. So the second one

49:45

is not out yet. So I will get

49:47

that. I pre-ordered it. So just magically appear

49:50

when it's ready. So I did

49:52

read another Peter Cowderin book from the first contact series.

49:54

I read the art of war. I think it might

49:56

be one of my favorite ones so far. It was

49:58

very enjoyable. I mean, these are just like. Popcorn,

50:00

you know, worked through them within a

50:03

week books and they're fantastic. About how many,

50:05

like, 270, 300? Yeah, around

50:07

there. Yeah. And just, you know, it's

50:09

not like deep thought reading, so you burn through it

50:11

pretty quick. Right, but it's not

50:13

a short story. No, they're not short stories. They're

50:15

books. Okay. Okay, I

50:17

was kind of, there's so many of them, I thought

50:19

maybe he was doing like, you know, just medium

50:22

to short stories on them. No, they're full on books. I

50:24

mean, they're no Neil Stevensons, but they're both.

50:26

Yeah, well, who is? Who is?

50:29

And then I put in this article

50:31

about Kara Swisher's book tour because Burn

50:33

Book came out. And

50:37

I was trying to figure out, I was trying to cut

50:39

this article down to size to be able to read

50:41

it, but there are so many good zingers in here

50:43

and explanations that I

50:45

gave up. And I'm just going

50:47

to leave the link in the

50:49

show notes and say, if you

50:51

sometimes question Kara Swisher's journalistic integrity,

50:53

this article's for you. I

50:56

cannot wait. I'm just, I'm glancing at some of these and it's

50:58

like, ooh. Yeah.

51:03

Now, don't get me wrong. I still enjoy

51:05

Pivot. I like my Kara. I can only

51:07

take my Kara Swisher with a healthy shake

51:09

and seasoning from Scott Galloway. I can't take

51:11

her by herself, but

51:14

this author of this article makes some really

51:16

good points. I tried to listen to

51:18

the last two Pivots, and I didn't know she had the book out,

51:20

and then it just started off with a book about her book. Well,

51:22

it's all self-promotion right now. It's all self-promotion. All she's doing is promoting

51:24

her book. Yeah. So I will wait

51:26

to listen to Pivot when they get back to actual

51:28

stories and she's done with this. Why

51:32

skip it? Well, I like

51:34

it. I like Scott. But I don't like

51:36

Scott by himself either. There's something about their

51:38

combo. See, their combo has just gotten too

51:40

contentious for me. It just makes me feel

51:42

like an abused child watching their

51:44

alcoholic parents argue. It's just no

51:46

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51:49

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54:23

The dark side. Ha!

54:27

With Dave? Welcome

54:31

to the dark side with Dave with podcast

54:33

super host Dave Bittner. Dave is the host

54:36

of the CyberWire podcast for all your cybersecurity

54:38

news. The co-host of Hacking Humans with Joe

54:40

Kerrigan discussing how humans are mean. The co-host

54:42

of Caveat with Ben Yellen because people are

54:45

nosy. And the host of Control Loop because

54:47

industrial machines have feelings too. Hello Dave, how

54:49

you feeling? I am feeling much

54:51

better, thank you. Uh, I had

54:53

a little, uh, a little flirtation

54:55

with the COVID there. Yeah,

54:58

I was gonna say, how was that little cold that

55:00

you thought you had? Well, turns out, turns

55:03

out, uh, yeah.

55:05

So I tested, uh, I guess Saturday morning.

55:07

We record on Friday afternoons and I thought

55:10

I had a bit of a chest cold,

55:13

tested on Saturday morning and sure enough

55:15

it was COVID and... You

55:17

could have gotten this all sick! I know.

55:19

What the hell? You're supposed to stay home from

55:22

work when you have COVID. I know, I know.

55:24

I'm, I'm, I'm a rascal. Um,

55:26

but, uh, yeah, so Saturday

55:29

was my worst day of just being sick.

55:32

Saturday and then through that

55:34

night. But

55:36

I did get on the Pax Loved,

55:38

which, uh, I will say compared to

55:40

my first round of COVID,

55:43

this was my second time, um, would

55:45

not recommend, zero stars. Um,

55:48

uh, the Pax Loved I think did accelerate

55:50

the recovery. Um, if nothing

55:53

else, it motivated me to get better because of

55:55

the horrible metallic taste in my mouth. But,

55:57

um, pro tip, uh, York Power.

55:59

Peppermint patties are quite good at fighting the

56:02

metallic taste in your mouth. God, I haven't

56:04

had one of those in years. I

56:06

know what I'm buying later. Yeah,

56:10

no, just pop one in your mouth and just

56:12

let it sit there for a while and it'll

56:14

fight that metallic taste. But

56:16

anyway, I'm feeling much better. I

56:20

do have the end of our segment here.

56:22

I'm going to share with you guys a

56:24

funny experience I went through while I was

56:27

bored out of my gourd being

56:30

sick for several days and

56:32

the Facebook rabbit hole I went down. So

56:35

they tuned for that. All right. OK, well,

56:38

Steve wrote in, hi, guys, I planned to leave

56:40

a more thought out message someday, but I had

56:42

to make sure you all caught the February 29th

56:44

cyberwire. Check out the little bit on

56:46

primus on piracy towards the end of the podcast.

56:49

I'm sure Dave didn't have anyone in mind as

56:51

he uttered those lines regarding a 10 year younger

56:53

but ever grumpy geek, to which

56:55

day am I saying challenge accepted? OK,

56:58

so I saw this in the

57:00

show notes. And first of all, I had

57:02

to go back to the February 29th cyberwire

57:04

because that's like 400 shows ago. Yeah, exactly.

57:09

And Steve could be on

57:12

to something here. I would say I

57:15

would say probably Jason

57:17

crossed my mind. I

57:19

think I was also thinking of my oldest

57:21

son who has a very, you

57:24

know, you're not going to tell me what to do

57:26

kind of attitude towards life.

57:28

But Steve,

57:30

very observant of you. And

57:33

you got me. All right. Yeah,

57:37

I listened to that too. And I was like,

57:39

OK, very funny.

57:42

So a little Star Wars news here. I

57:46

didn't quite understand the title of the article. It

57:48

says Andor will soon give you the most politically

57:50

tense sequence in Star Tours. Well,

57:54

I'm not a reader this week, so I'm

57:57

putting it in here for you guys. I guess I just

57:59

saw. that Ahsoka and the Mandalorian are going

58:01

to be joining Star Tours so I thought

58:04

that was very excited about that. I do

58:06

wish you could pick which one you got

58:08

when you went on the ride. It's random

58:10

so you don't know what you're going to

58:12

get but well well okay well

58:15

insider tips coming through. Yeah

58:17

so if you sidle up

58:19

to the ride operator strike

58:22

up a conversation. But I don't like talking

58:24

to people. Staff

58:27

Brian you can talk down to them.

58:30

I don't know how to help you then.

58:32

Just because you're a hacking humans guy and

58:34

you've sorted out all this engineering. Yeah well.

58:37

Human engineering. This is how I get what

58:39

I want in life. So you sidle up

58:41

to the ride operator and strike up a

58:43

conversation and ask them God golly

58:46

gee how much control do you actually have

58:48

over this thing? Is it totally random? And

58:50

then they will tell you oh no well

58:52

I can it can be random but if

58:54

I want to I can control it and

58:56

then they will they'll get a gleam in their

58:58

eye and they'll lean in and they'll whisper and they'll

59:00

say where would you like to

59:02

go today? I'd

59:05

like to go to Kashyyyk today and they'll

59:08

smile and nod and sure enough you get

59:10

on the ride and to Kashyyyk you shall

59:12

go. Alright well we are planning a trip

59:14

to Disneyland when we go back to LA

59:16

over the summer and rather than myself I

59:18

figure I might have a better chance if

59:20

I coach my son up and send the

59:22

seven year old to the ride operator to

59:24

request a flight then. I think it's a

59:27

good idea. Yeah. Okay well

59:29

exciting. I like the ride. I like the

59:31

fact that they're continuing to add new things to

59:33

it. That's great. I do too. I'm not

59:35

terribly excited about Andor to be honest in terms of but

59:37

I'm sure they'll make a good ride out of

59:39

it. No but it keeps this ride fresh

59:41

and the only thing I wish is that

59:44

you could there was an option to ride

59:46

the original. Oh is this

59:48

completely gone? It's completely gone. Oh

59:50

that's too bad. I mean even to be fair I think I rode

59:53

it 8,000 times. Yes. I have it

59:59

pretty much memorized. But even if it like

1:00:01

one in a hundred times it just randomly

1:00:03

came up or something that would be delightful

1:00:05

and I don't think They can't anymore

1:00:08

because they took out the original robot and put

1:00:10

in c3p. All right, so none of it makes

1:00:12

sense Yeah, that's true. Yeah

1:00:14

max is over living in galaxies

1:00:16

edge at the Bar

1:00:19

he's a DJ now. Yeah well,

1:00:21

the mighty have fallen Well,

1:00:24

I mean after that 20 The

1:00:27

emotion after the trip, I mean you're

1:00:29

keeping him on on salary after that

1:00:31

I don't know generally fail upwards don't

1:00:33

they? Probably it's

1:00:36

funny. I've only ridden that ride maybe in

1:00:38

my entire life eight times. I remember it

1:00:41

every little bit of it Guy

1:00:44

wrote it eight times the first time I was

1:00:46

there Oh, I know I did

1:00:49

because they had a 40 hour the park

1:00:51

stayed open for 40 hours straight out when

1:00:53

they First opened the ride

1:00:55

and I had skipped out of my parents house one

1:00:57

of the only times I got grounded in my youth

1:01:00

And we went for like 20 hours and I think I went

1:01:02

on it at least eight times Wow Good

1:01:06

times. Yeah. Yeah, I put

1:01:08

this in the show notes mainly for you

1:01:10

Dave I'm not gonna read it

1:01:12

out We can maybe put it in the show

1:01:14

notes but neeloy wrote in with a far more

1:01:16

in-depth explanation of Wavelengths and what

1:01:18

our phones can admit and kind

1:01:21

of backing you up a little bit and taking

1:01:23

a little side slam at Sebastian Who wrote in

1:01:25

last week? Maybe

1:01:32

it's that Sebastian could could be a

1:01:34

little more gracious. Yes In

1:01:38

his presentation of his argument rumble grumble grumble,

1:01:40

but appear Yes, most of most of this

1:01:42

goes along with what you were thinking so

1:01:44

well done Dave Well,

1:01:47

the take-home sentence for me is the one

1:01:49

that reads Dave's explanation of an LCD is

1:01:51

also correct That's all I needed to read.

1:01:53

There we go Validation everybody

1:01:56

needs a little validation now and then yep.

1:01:58

That's all I need Thanks

1:02:00

so much me Loy and also to you Sebastian

1:02:02

just maybe work on the people skills when writing

1:02:04

those emails Okay,

1:02:08

I'm gonna be over here you guys I Love

1:02:12

it when Jason who is the one that would

1:02:14

normally be doing this sort of thing backs away

1:02:16

as if oh my god You guys you've gone

1:02:18

too far. Yeah, most of Jason's emails are like

1:02:20

fuck you you motherfucking fuck Yeah,

1:02:23

yeah, what do you mean most? Yeah

1:02:28

Write me an email in the style of

1:02:30

Jason Do

1:02:37

not use any profanity and the chat

1:02:39

GPT bursts into flames So

1:02:50

this is interesting new FCC rules

1:02:52

would crack down on connected vehicle

1:02:54

abuses apparently the the rash of

1:02:56

people being cyber stalked from their

1:02:58

Automobiles has gotten the attention of

1:03:00

the FCC and they're going to

1:03:02

start gathering some info to maybe

1:03:04

make some rules down the line

1:03:06

in the future you

1:03:08

know It's a

1:03:10

step in the right direction. I guess

1:03:13

you know, I think so I think you

1:03:15

combine this with we've we've really seen a

1:03:18

ramping up of actions from

1:03:20

the FTC on

1:03:22

these sorts of things particularly they've

1:03:24

been going after a handful of

1:03:26

data brokers Clawing

1:03:29

back some of the things that they can do

1:03:31

and finding them and and so on and so

1:03:33

forth. So I think we're seeing

1:03:36

some Regulatory oversight of

1:03:38

some of these things that at

1:03:40

long last. Yes. I I

1:03:42

think Ben Yellen and

1:03:45

I have talked about this over on the caveat show and I

1:03:47

think part of this is that it's

1:03:49

a reflection of exasperation that Congress

1:03:51

can't get their shit together

1:03:53

and So the regulatory

1:03:56

agencies are like, all right, if you're not

1:03:58

going to do anything we're gonna use

1:04:00

the power that's given to us

1:04:02

and try to make some positive change

1:04:04

here in the world. Good. I'm

1:04:07

all for it. It's just it takes too

1:04:09

long to go through the through Congress. So

1:04:11

yeah, start it up. We all know this

1:04:13

is wrong. Everybody. Everybody knows this is wrong.

1:04:15

So yeah, do something about it. Right.

1:04:18

Yeah, it would be really nice if I don't know

1:04:20

the fucking automakers would. But not because

1:04:22

they want to track you. Yeah. Well,

1:04:25

just basics of being able to stop your

1:04:27

abusive spouse from tracking your car locations. Head

1:04:29

it to private mode. No, they won't let

1:04:31

you let you do that. I think

1:04:34

everybody is so their mouths are watering over

1:04:36

this notion that there could be additional revenue

1:04:39

streams. Yep, exactly. It is valuable. And so

1:04:41

wait a minute, we collect a lot of

1:04:43

data, don't we? Well, yes, we do, boss.

1:04:45

Yeah, we could sell that data. Couldn't we?

1:04:47

Well, sure, we could, boss. Is that a

1:04:50

bad thing to do? I don't know,

1:04:52

boss. What do you think? Yeah,

1:04:55

I'm sure it's really useful that BMW knows an awful lot

1:04:57

of people are on the 405 freeway. With

1:05:00

their heat seaters on. Yes. Or

1:05:04

seat heaters. Did I say heat seaters? I did. He said

1:05:06

heat heaters. They're

1:05:08

heat sinking, heat seeking additional revenue streams. Yep,

1:05:10

exactly. Is valuable. And so wait a minute,

1:05:12

we collect a lot of data, don't we?

1:05:15

Well, yes, we do, boss. We could sell

1:05:17

that data. Couldn't we? Well, sure, we could,

1:05:19

boss. Is that a bad thing to do?

1:05:21

I don't know, boss. What do you think?

1:05:24

And off we go. Yeah, I'm sure it's

1:05:26

really useful that BMW knows an awful lot

1:05:28

of people are on the 405 freeway. With

1:05:31

their heat seaters on. Yes. Or

1:05:34

seat heaters. Did I say heat seaters? I did. He said

1:05:36

heat heaters. They're

1:05:39

heat sinking, heat seeking. And

1:05:42

I move on. Next story. Maybe

1:05:45

I'm not over the. I have heat seeking buttocks when I

1:05:47

get in my car in the morning. Yeah, there you go.

1:05:50

It's funny, my Explorer that I sold, I

1:05:52

had access to that thing for about 10

1:05:55

months, I think. Yeah. I

1:06:00

remember we talked. We keep starting

1:06:02

in the driveway. Why is

1:06:04

it venting while I'm in it? What's

1:06:08

going on? We had talked about this, I

1:06:10

think, at the time. We

1:06:19

had talked about how shoddily these

1:06:21

apps were programmed and that, you

1:06:23

know, it just doesn't—they're difficult to

1:06:25

disconnect. It's not just, you

1:06:27

know, it's actually actively difficult to do

1:06:29

it when you sell your car along

1:06:31

and people just don't know. They

1:06:33

don't know about it. So, yeah. Yeah,

1:06:36

and it's bad enough, like, just getting

1:06:38

into a rental car and— Everybody's

1:06:40

phones and all their data is in there because

1:06:42

they didn't realize that they said yes and they

1:06:44

didn't think to disconnect and yeah. Everybody

1:06:47

does— Yeah, everybody's codebook or addressbook. Exactly,

1:06:50

yeah. It's kind of fun to go through

1:06:52

and see if a celebrity had your car or a PA, at

1:06:54

least. I was going

1:06:56

to say, okay, LA boy. My

1:07:00

God, Tom Cruise is in this Kia. Oh,

1:07:05

that would be great. Let's

1:07:08

just go—no, let's just do fake addressbooks

1:07:10

and load up all the rental cars we

1:07:12

can with them. Oh

1:07:15

my God. This is an

1:07:17

interesting one. In a concerning report, Shane

1:07:19

Jones, a Microsoft engineer, has highlighted serious

1:07:21

issues with the company's AI image generation

1:07:23

tool, Copilot Designer. This

1:07:26

tool, powered by OpenAI technology,

1:07:28

was intended to encourage creative visual

1:07:31

expression through text prompts. However, Jones's

1:07:33

investigations revealed that Copilot Designer has

1:07:35

been producing disturbing content that violates Microsoft's

1:07:37

responsible AI platform. Yeah, if you feed

1:07:39

it with one of Jason's emails, what

1:07:41

do you think is going to come

1:07:44

out of it? What do

1:07:46

you think is going to happen? Right.

1:07:48

So, this has set off a chain

1:07:50

of events that now there

1:07:53

are certain things that you cannot have

1:07:55

Copilot Designer try and basically

1:07:57

do graphics for you for. And I tried it out. The

1:08:00

guardrails are still up Abortion

1:08:02

rights activist is a is a

1:08:05

term that you cannot use anymore Interesting.

1:08:07

Yes, because apparently people were putting in

1:08:10

trying to make like posters

1:08:12

or something for an abortion rights Rally

1:08:14

or something like that and it was basically

1:08:16

taking the making the abortion rights people demons

1:08:22

Yeah, I've seen no issues with

1:08:24

these technologies, this is great Yeah,

1:08:31

I mean it's we've talked about

1:08:33

this before these things Reflect

1:08:35

us as we actually are not as we

1:08:38

aspire to be yeah very

1:08:40

true that is the truth hurts is a cold

1:08:43

hard truth about that and I Think

1:08:46

what's interesting about this case against Shane

1:08:48

Jones is that part of what's happened

1:08:50

to him is he's come up against

1:08:53

Microsoft's legal department they've been

1:08:55

putting pressure on him to a Shut

1:08:59

up What's

1:09:02

interesting is Microsoft legal department actual

1:09:04

demons It's

1:09:11

so funny being An

1:09:14

old if you're an old if you're

1:09:16

an og Mac user back when Microsoft

1:09:19

was the evil Empire Mm-hmm,

1:09:22

and it's just interesting to me the degree

1:09:24

to which they have Scrubs

1:09:27

that image like I think people

1:09:29

today Know that

1:09:32

yeah the way we did Microsoft is very

1:09:34

much tends to be on this on the right side

1:09:36

of things these days and Even often

1:09:38

leading the charge which is not the case

1:09:40

as it used to be. Yeah Yeah,

1:09:43

no, it was that was a long time

1:09:45

where it was I mean look look at

1:09:47

the Mac versus PC ad campaign You know,

1:09:49

right and that was that was just a

1:09:51

you know, a straw man for Microsoft So

1:09:54

it's funny when you have to you

1:09:56

have to reinvent yourself when you're no longer dominating

1:10:00

the industry the way that you once did.

1:10:02

Yeah. Hmm interesting.

1:10:05

We'll see how this plays out but

1:10:07

yeah as of right now anything with

1:10:10

I think the word abortion in it

1:10:12

is is off-limits. Now just a quick

1:10:14

question about this Jason because I have

1:10:17

not really delved into this. I think you've dabbled a

1:10:19

bit Dave but I know Jason's really gotten into this

1:10:22

and I didn't read too far into the story. These

1:10:25

things aren't kicking out these

1:10:28

problematic images from prompts just

1:10:30

just generic white safe you

1:10:33

know normal prompts right you actually have to

1:10:35

prompt it with like keywords

1:10:37

that would make these horrible things correct?

1:10:39

It depends. No no that's the point

1:10:43

of this. That's wonderful then.

1:10:45

Okay. There was a Google had to put

1:10:47

some guardrails on theirs in the past couple

1:10:49

weeks because they over woke. Oh they over

1:10:51

woke. Yeah I saw them. I saw some

1:10:53

of those images. Yeah they were saying like

1:10:56

show me a picture of the founding fathers

1:10:58

and like half of them were black.

1:11:01

It was a Bennington ad.

1:11:04

So it over corrected.

1:11:06

Right. Yeah. It's

1:11:08

tricky. I mean it it's tricky. We'll

1:11:11

see to what degree we get there and

1:11:16

once we're past the gold

1:11:18

rush stage and it settles

1:11:20

down. I liken this to

1:11:22

you know back when desktop

1:11:24

publishing was new and people were making newsletters

1:11:26

that included every single font. Yeah. I feel

1:11:29

like that's the only way we are. That's

1:11:31

where we are with with LLMs and these

1:11:34

image generators right now. Well there's all the

1:11:36

enthusiasm. How lucky how lucky we are to

1:11:38

be alive at this time when the gold

1:11:40

rush is going on right before yet another

1:11:43

one of the most important collections of our

1:11:45

entire lives. That's right.

1:11:49

It's only important if you let it be Brian. Sit

1:11:52

back relax and close your eyes. Yeah.

1:11:54

You say from your perch up there in

1:11:56

Canada with your with my penis

1:11:59

and my white Yes. Not

1:12:03

in your health care. So

1:12:06

just to get back to this real quick, the AI side of

1:12:08

things, what you're talking about, Brian,

1:12:10

you know, just from generic vanilla things, it was

1:12:12

causing some problems. But a lot of these in

1:12:15

the same, this was the problem with the

1:12:17

Google AI, the Gemini problem was that what

1:12:20

they're doing is they're taking a basic simple

1:12:22

prompt and then rewriting it on the back

1:12:24

end and feeding that to it. So they're

1:12:26

using the LLM to create a more detailed

1:12:28

description of what it thinks you just said

1:12:30

to give it to the image prompter to

1:12:33

make the image better. So

1:12:35

I got around, I was playing around with that trying

1:12:38

to figure out how I could get around it. And so

1:12:40

instead of using the word abortion, you do legalized

1:12:44

termination of life in vitro or something

1:12:46

like that. And you can get around

1:12:48

it. Yeah. Yeah. Basically

1:12:50

keyword searches, really. So yeah.

1:12:53

You just have to – it's all about prompt

1:12:56

jacking, as it were. But anyway,

1:12:58

when you do the main things, it fucks you. I'm

1:13:02

going to drop a link

1:13:05

here in the show notes. In today's

1:13:08

CyberWire, we're covering this little bit of

1:13:10

research that some folks did.

1:13:12

They did a contest on

1:13:15

prompt hacking. Several universities around the world did

1:13:18

a contest on prompt hacking. So I don't

1:13:20

know if this is for the show, but

1:13:22

Jason, I think you'll probably devour this research

1:13:25

for fun and profit. So enjoy. A little less on

1:13:27

the profit side, but definitely on the – I don't

1:13:29

make any profit anymore. Yes. Profit

1:13:32

dried up on the internet for me a long time ago. But

1:13:35

for fun, I'm in. There you

1:13:37

go. So here's a

1:13:39

new one. A Consumer Reports investigation uncovers

1:13:41

significant security flaws in video doorbells sold

1:13:44

by major online retailers, including Amazon and

1:13:46

many, many more. Walmart,

1:13:48

Pemu, a couple others, highlighting the

1:13:50

risks associated with Ekin Group's video

1:13:54

doorbells. Did you guys

1:13:56

get a chance to cover this one? Because it seems

1:13:58

like a pretty big breeze. when

1:14:01

when you get into it a little bit? No

1:14:04

we didn't cover this specifically.

1:14:07

I guess

1:14:09

if anywhere we talk about this on hacking

1:14:11

humans but I have to

1:14:13

say my response to this story was

1:14:16

to just kind of shrug and go

1:14:18

yep. I mean it comes

1:14:20

around to the fact that you can actually just walk

1:14:22

up to a doorbell and pair your phone with it

1:14:24

and walk away and then you have access to the

1:14:26

house. It's a pretty

1:14:28

big breach. They don't

1:14:31

have anything like you

1:14:33

don't have to like find the code on the

1:14:35

back of the doorbell to type in to pair

1:14:37

it. It's just you can just pair it and

1:14:40

go. Yeah well I mean here we go. No

1:14:42

absolutely no oversight

1:14:44

on no vetting

1:14:46

of any of the products you can buy on Amazon. So

1:14:49

Amazon basically just become a drop shipping

1:14:52

company at this point. Most

1:14:54

of the results that you get back on anything are just

1:14:56

drop ships so ridiculous. Yeah

1:14:59

so if we had I don't

1:15:01

know the Consumer Protection Agency you know something.

1:15:04

I'm sort

1:15:06

of government agency that our taxes are supposed to

1:15:08

be paying for should be doing something about this.

1:15:11

Right we need a an

1:15:14

IoT version of the FDA

1:15:16

where things in the

1:15:18

same way that pharmaceuticals are tested drugs are

1:15:20

tested for safety things that are over-the-counter there's

1:15:22

certain amount of rigor that goes into making

1:15:24

sure that they will do no harm. If

1:15:27

we had something like that for the consumer

1:15:30

electronic space perhaps this sort of thing wouldn't

1:15:32

happen but now you go to Amazon and

1:15:34

you say show me the

1:15:37

cheapest China sourced video

1:15:40

cameras and that's what you buy and this

1:15:42

is what you get. Yep I've

1:15:45

got a bucket of those in my back room. Right.

1:15:48

Right and that's the

1:15:50

thing is that from

1:15:52

a certain point of view they are great. They

1:15:55

are cheap and they work and they they

1:15:57

perform well they probably have great little care

1:16:00

cameras in them and they're, but then

1:16:04

turns out. It's the long term price. Right.

1:16:08

Yeah. Right. Along

1:16:10

those same lines, the LAPD is letting people know in

1:16:12

the wheelchair area of Los Angeles that there is a

1:16:14

wave of burglaries happening where people

1:16:16

are coming in with cell phone jammers

1:16:18

and turning off their security systems because

1:16:21

a lot of security systems nowadays are

1:16:23

reliant on cell service, not just

1:16:26

internet. So they can kill the

1:16:28

power. So they kill the

1:16:30

power to the building that gets rid of the

1:16:32

internet, but then you still have the backup battery

1:16:34

in the cell unit, which then they just turn

1:16:37

on the cell phone jammer and take your skivvies.

1:16:39

This is why I always have a home alone

1:16:42

style surveillance and countermeasures in my house.

1:16:44

Right. You're a fully booby trap.

1:16:47

They can do nothing against the bucket of tar

1:16:49

that I precariously perched on the doorway. Mm

1:16:51

hmm. Mm hmm. I just went

1:16:53

with 300 pounds of teeth and fur. Well,

1:16:56

you have Chewbacca living

1:16:59

with you. Yes. I

1:17:02

got Bam Bam and Gigi and then of course little

1:17:04

Dino. Right. Nobody's breaking.

1:17:07

You've met Bam Bam. Nobody's coming into my house. No, no,

1:17:09

no. I was here to come into your house for the one

1:17:11

time I came over. Yeah. Yeah. That's

1:17:14

when Bam Bam was a baby. She wasn't even a thing. No,

1:17:17

man. I wasn't sure Bam Bam wasn't going to eat me.

1:17:20

Yeah, she probably would have. Yeah. She

1:17:22

doesn't like guys. Well, there you go. I

1:17:27

put a couple of things in here.

1:17:29

So interesting video. It's

1:17:31

called Why TikTok is Becoming a

1:17:33

Conspiracy Playground. And it's

1:17:36

a nice little explainer video about

1:17:39

the explainer videos that are on YouTube

1:17:41

about how to make conspiracy

1:17:44

theory videos and

1:17:47

how easy it is to do using these

1:17:49

AI tools and the basic formula

1:17:51

that you need to use to do it and

1:17:55

TikTok's being flooded with these things.

1:17:58

I think my roommate watches them all. Is

1:18:00

that right? Yeah. I

1:18:03

just thought it was interesting to see how the

1:18:05

sausage is made here and have it laid out

1:18:08

so bare. It's

1:18:10

really kind of fascinating. Well, to your comment

1:18:12

earlier, Dave, this is also a reflection of

1:18:14

ourselves, isn't it? It

1:18:18

is. It is. And it

1:18:20

makes me sad. You know,

1:18:22

when we grew up, we were hoping we

1:18:24

were going to get Star Trek and instead

1:18:26

we got Blade Runner. I just wanted a

1:18:28

jet pack. And all I got was a WordPress

1:18:30

as one that steals my data. There

1:18:34

you go. So I want

1:18:37

to close here with a little personal

1:18:40

story about a very strange

1:18:42

thing that I experienced while I was sick

1:18:44

with COVID. So

1:18:47

being sick is extraordinarily boring. And

1:18:51

I was laying in bed with

1:18:53

my phone and I was scrolling

1:18:56

through Facebook. One

1:19:01

thing that the Facebook algorithm has

1:19:03

accurately figured out for me

1:19:05

is that I enjoy stand-up comedy. I

1:19:09

enjoy watching little bits of stand-up comedy.

1:19:11

I like to laugh and I like to watch

1:19:13

clever comedians doing their thing. So

1:19:16

I was watching some stand-up

1:19:18

comedy and it

1:19:22

was going from one to another, you know,

1:19:24

little Facebook shorts or whatever they call them

1:19:26

on Facebook. Yes. Thank you very

1:19:28

much. And

1:19:30

somehow along the lines, I noticed that

1:19:33

it had switched to all

1:19:36

female stand-up comedy. That's all I'm getting

1:19:38

right now. Is that

1:19:40

right? All

1:19:43

right. So which is great. So

1:19:45

I'm enjoying these female stand-up

1:19:47

comics that's going through. And here's

1:19:49

the thing. Somehow

1:19:53

unintentionally, instead of

1:19:55

being on my main timeline, it

1:19:58

had switched to Facebook's video

1:20:01

feed the video button on

1:20:04

Facebook all right so I'm in that button

1:20:06

and

1:20:08

after I don't know how many

1:20:12

female stand-up comedians up

1:20:14

comes a video starts playing

1:20:18

it's a teenage girl in

1:20:21

a doctor's office it's

1:20:23

a movie it's not like you

1:20:25

know like oh I've seen this one on real

1:20:28

video you got transferred to Pornhub that's

1:20:30

not the video so well Facebook that's

1:20:33

so that's where I'm going so it's

1:20:35

this teenage girl I'm gonna say she's

1:20:38

probably 15 I didn't see that one on Pornhub

1:20:40

just making it clear so

1:20:43

this is what I'm going this is where I'm going let's

1:20:46

just say she was 18 but she looked 15 she's

1:20:48

laying on an examination

1:20:51

table in the doctor's office

1:20:54

and this is clearly like some

1:20:56

70s era I'm

1:20:58

gonna say French art movie right

1:21:02

the soundtrack does not match the movie in

1:21:04

any way the soundtrack is just sort of

1:21:06

generic old-timey music but this

1:21:08

this beautiful young lady is

1:21:11

laying on the table there and

1:21:13

she is barely dressed and

1:21:17

she's wearing the sheerest of underwear so

1:21:19

that basically all the things

1:21:21

that you would want to see so you were telling it was 1970

1:21:23

you could yes

1:21:28

you could thank you

1:21:30

Brian you're welcome filling in that detail I was

1:21:33

having trouble outlining for

1:21:35

myself so

1:21:38

I was so disturbed

1:21:41

and disgusted with this

1:21:43

that after about a half

1:21:45

an hour well your wife

1:21:48

must be very pleased she's

1:21:58

always happy when he stays home from work It

1:22:01

did not be the show taking this turn. But

1:22:06

the thing is, so there's just this

1:22:08

one scene and this young lady is clearly

1:22:10

in love with her doctor and is making

1:22:12

doe eyes with him. Who amongst us is

1:22:14

him? And

1:22:18

the next scene, this same young

1:22:20

girl is in some kind of

1:22:22

like Catholic school with nuns and

1:22:24

she's flirting with this young beautiful

1:22:26

nun and she's got... So

1:22:28

this is some 1970s like

1:22:31

French art sexploitation.

1:22:37

And I don't know why Facebook

1:22:39

thought this would be something I would

1:22:42

enjoy. But

1:22:44

were they wrong? The

1:22:47

question is, were they wrong? How

1:22:49

good is that algorithm? Yeah.

1:22:53

Okay, so I switch away, I

1:22:55

keep scrolling. Enough

1:22:59

of this. I need more. I

1:23:02

was fascinated by it and someone looking through the

1:23:04

comments, I'm trying to figure out what is this?

1:23:07

Like what is this? This is not

1:23:09

the kind of thing that I'm used

1:23:12

to seeing on Facebook. So

1:23:14

next comes two

1:23:17

young ladies

1:23:20

in their underwear in a

1:23:24

bed. Is this like a 1990? No,

1:23:27

this is modern. This is up

1:23:30

to date. And it's like

1:23:32

a live stream kind of thing and it's, oh

1:23:35

look at us, here we are, we're in

1:23:37

our bed in our under... And so I'm

1:23:39

like, okay, what's happening? In

1:23:43

my experience, Facebook has been

1:23:45

pretty good about not

1:23:47

having this kind of stuff on their platform,

1:23:50

at least that I've seen. And

1:23:52

so I felt as though... You peeled

1:23:54

back a layer. Somehow, right,

1:23:56

some switch had been thrown, it was like,

1:23:58

okay, you've been browsing. for 10 hours

1:24:00

straight. So now we're going to show you the good

1:24:02

stuff. Come behind the baby curtain, Dave. Right,

1:24:05

right. Exactly. But

1:24:07

here's how it ends. I

1:24:10

keep scrolling, I keep scrolling. And now

1:24:12

I'm getting a mix of the female

1:24:14

stand-up comics and more of this just

1:24:16

weird, you know, very uncomfortable kind of

1:24:18

stuff. And then finally, it happens.

1:24:22

I get a 9-11

1:24:24

conspiracy theory video. And

1:24:28

I think to myself, I

1:24:31

win. This is it. I have won

1:24:33

the algorithm game, where somehow

1:24:39

I have gone through comedy,

1:24:43

creepy, right on the edge

1:24:45

of inappropriate soft core

1:24:47

pornography and we're right

1:24:50

going straight into 9-11 conspiracy theories.

1:24:52

You passed the initiation test. Yeah.

1:24:54

I'm done. Thank you, Facebook. I

1:24:57

will collect my prize on the

1:24:59

way out. Yep. I

1:25:03

don't think the fever that I

1:25:05

had, I don't think this was a fever dream

1:25:08

from COVID. That's what I was going to say.

1:25:10

Is this a Pax Loved fever dream that you're

1:25:12

having here? I don't think so. Because it sounds

1:25:14

like it. Yes. I was

1:25:17

questioning myself. Like, what is this? The

1:25:20

algorithms are just insane. Like, again, I'm

1:25:22

also getting female comedians. I don't know

1:25:24

why. I don't watch. Well, today is

1:25:26

international women's days. No, but this has

1:25:29

been going on for weeks. For weeks.

1:25:31

Well, yeah. And

1:25:34

Facebook thinks I, at least as far as

1:25:36

Reels are concerned, I love female comedians and

1:25:38

Selena Gomez for some reason. I've never heard

1:25:40

a Selena Gomez song. I don't know anything

1:25:43

about her. But

1:25:45

Reels is convinced I am in love

1:25:47

with her and cannot get enough of

1:25:50

10-second clips with robot voices talking about

1:25:52

Selena's life. That's my Facebook

1:25:54

Reels. Yeah. Well,

1:25:57

you see, that could be a backdoor promotion to the new

1:25:59

show. came out on Peacock

1:26:01

where they was Yolanda and

1:26:03

Selena where the actual killer

1:26:06

was interviewed for a TV series.

1:26:08

So maybe there's some kind of

1:26:10

shadow Selena-ness going

1:26:12

on in the background. Perhaps. I don't know.

1:26:14

But my point being just Reels is fucking

1:26:16

weird. But I think Dave wins. Yeah.

1:26:19

Dave wins for sure. He got

1:26:22

the better version of that 70s show. Yeah,

1:26:25

it was really weird. I

1:26:27

mean, just weird and just

1:26:31

disturbing. But

1:26:34

it made me see how it happens.

1:26:36

Yeah. Right? Like how

1:26:39

do people get taken down these rabbit

1:26:41

holes? This is it. This is her

1:26:43

sentence. Right. Yeah. Right.

1:26:46

You got to want it, I

1:26:48

guess, or just hanging in there.

1:26:50

I don't know. And it hasn't been back.

1:26:52

So it didn't stick,

1:26:55

which I'm happy for. Right. But

1:27:00

yeah, I don't know with you, but I

1:27:02

don't. Check your history. I'm certainly not going

1:27:04

to start Google searching for it on my

1:27:06

work computer. That's

1:27:10

the end of the game. You know, I've got it burning. Right. Is this

1:27:12

laptop now? Yeah, exactly.

1:27:14

All right. Oh, that bomb. All

1:27:16

right, guys. Yep. I'm

1:27:19

going to go take a shower. Me too.

1:27:22

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1:29:15

grumpy. I

1:29:20

was thinking about that, how, um... Like

1:29:25

the Spinal Tap crew, whoever wrote

1:29:27

that joke, that

1:29:29

is probably their most significant... Well,

1:29:32

it's their most significant contribution to

1:29:34

the culture. Yes. Right? Everybody

1:29:37

knows this goes to 11. Like that's

1:29:39

a common, even if you've never

1:29:41

seen Spinal Tap, you know this

1:29:45

goes to 11. Yeah, it

1:29:47

definitely is the biggest of all of them for

1:29:49

sure. Yeah. And

1:29:52

we don't know who the Word Smith was.

1:29:54

Right. Yeah. I

1:29:56

wonder... I bet it's on the director's

1:29:58

commentary on the DVD. Good

1:30:00

luck playing in that. I mean, it's probably

1:30:03

the guy that plays the guitarist? Because,

1:30:06

I mean, all those guys are writers and

1:30:08

hilarious comedians. Yeah. But

1:30:10

who knows? Could have been anybody. It's like trying

1:30:12

to figure out who wrote the Monty Python bits

1:30:15

in every sketch. Good luck. Right. Oh

1:30:20

no! The use of 11 is a

1:30:22

maximum predates. This is Spinal Tap by almost 40

1:30:24

years! In

1:30:27

1947, the Baldwin Locomotive works and

1:30:29

the Chesapeake and Oil Railway introduced

1:30:31

the Chesapeake and Oil Class M1

1:30:33

Steam Turbine Locomotive. The locomotive's throttle

1:30:35

included 11 settings ranging from 1

1:30:37

to 11 full speed. Ah,

1:30:41

but they didn't make a joke out of it. Yeah.

1:30:45

Nobody knew. They were serious.

1:30:49

There were like five engineers working

1:30:51

on the railroad who knew. Hang

1:30:54

on, hang on. That was hilarious. During

1:30:56

a trial run with a reporter from

1:30:58

Popular Mechanics aboard, a C&O engineer expressed

1:31:00

his dissatisfaction with a local speed limit

1:31:03

of 75 miles per hour, noting

1:31:05

that he would sure like to be able to pull

1:31:07

it back to 11. So,

1:31:11

I don't know. Who knew? Yeah,

1:31:13

all right. There you go.

1:31:15

I hope you were recording that bit, Jason. Actually,

1:31:18

I am. Alright. Throw that in at

1:31:20

the end.