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Grumpy Old Geeks, a weekly talk show

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hosted by Brian Schulmeister and Jason DeFilippo

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discussing the finer points of what went

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wrong on the internet and who's to

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blame. Welcome

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to Grumpy Old Geeks, I'm Jason DeFilippo. And

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I'm Brian Schulmeister. Quick update, Brian.

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Mm-hmm. The story I was talking

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about last week about the diploma mills was

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not from 404 media as previously

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reported by me. I

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got it confused with a story from 404 that

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was about fake IDs using AI.

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But the story about the diploma mills was

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from Darknet Diaries. So see,

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shit happens is what I got to say.

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You miscurated. I did, I

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miscurated. Yep, that's exactly what I did.

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I highly recommend the Darknet Diaries episode

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is Exact sells fake diplomas and degrees.

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What could go wrong with this business

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plan? Wasn't that Trump University

1:00

too? That way it was, yes.

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Yeah, okay. This is just the Pakistan version. I

1:04

got to try Exact steaks, I wonder how they

1:06

are. Mm, Exact Water. I'm sure

1:09

they're great. Mm-hmm. I

1:11

put in a link to the Ookla speed

1:13

test app Easter Egg in

1:15

the show notes because I got people asking me about it and

1:17

I could not remember for the life of me how to turn

1:19

it on. Google people, that's how

1:22

I found it. Yeah, well,

1:25

we turn into Google, Brian. As soon as we open

1:27

our big ass mouths. I know. I'm

1:29

my family's Google, I'm my friend's Google, I'm

1:31

currently the Google at my office. Yeah. In

1:36

the news. Hat

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tip to Yuri here. He sent this one before I

1:45

even caught it. Just to keep

1:47

the pink slips chat going on, Paramount is doing some

1:49

work. Paramount Global will lay

1:51

off hundreds of employees following a record setting

1:53

Super Bowl that garnered more than 123 million

1:55

viewers across all company platforms led by CBS,

1:57

but that's not stopping them from cutting. People's

2:00

jobs about 800 employees are roughly

2:02

3% of Paramount's workforce Sources

2:05

familiar with the matter told Yahoo Finance. Here's

2:08

the the bullshit speak from Paramount CEO

2:10

Bob back ish I am

2:12

confident. This is the right decision for our future

2:14

He wrote these adjustments will help enable us to

2:17

build on our momentum and Execute our strategic vision

2:19

for the year ahead and I firmly believe we

2:21

have much to be excited about he continued Hopefully

2:23

that means better Star Trek Yeah,

2:26

we'll see we'll see we're selling and

2:28

rolling up into something else cuz that's

2:30

probably probably what's gonna happen. Yeah

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Continuing on Instacart lays off 250 employees

2:36

or 7% of its workforce

2:38

to quote-unquote reshape the company

2:42

In an SEC filing Instacart says the

2:44

layoffs will allow it to better align

2:46

its organizational structure with current quote business

2:48

needs stop Jesus fuck

2:50

even you can't work through their bullshit.

2:53

No, I can't think Business

2:55

needs top strategic priorities and

2:58

key growth opportunities. Yes, aka

3:00

business They all want

3:02

to do business. Yep business people doing

3:04

business Well, so after 800 and 250 employees

3:07

60 may not seem like much but for Mozilla That's

3:11

about 5% of its workforce, which

3:14

is amazing. I thought that would be about

3:16

a hundred percent of its workforce about now

3:18

Yeah these days, I don't know. So yeah,

3:20

Mozilla is firing around 60 people So that's

3:22

about 5% of its workforce. Most of those

3:24

are leaving worked on the product development team.

3:27

Okay Don't

3:30

know what they've been doing but here's their

3:32

bullshit speak We're scaling back investment in some

3:34

product areas in order to focus on areas

3:36

that we feel have the greatest chance of

3:38

success Some Zillow spokesperson told in gadget in

3:40

a statement to do so We've made the

3:42

difficult decision to eliminate approximately 60 rolls

3:45

from across the company We intend to

3:47

reprioritize resources towards products like Firefox mobile

3:49

where there's a significant opportunity To grow

3:51

and establish a better model for the

3:54

industry. Let me let me

3:56

let me translate There's a significant opportunity to

3:58

grow meaning. Nobody uses your shit So

4:00

the entire internet is your opportunity

4:02

to grow your best shit post

4:05

downloads ever Jason goes downloads ever

4:07

Yeah, they got one finally Have

4:10

you ever tried that thing? No, I

4:12

gave I stopped using Mozilla decades ago.

4:15

Yeah. Yeah, it feels like it Definitely feels

4:17

like it. Yeah Well,

4:20

a court has ordered Elon Musk to testify

4:22

in the SEC's investigation of his Twitter takeover

4:24

So this was a tentative ruling made back

4:26

in December But now it's

4:28

a not tentative anymore. So you got to

4:30

go and talk So

4:33

with they have some questions about how you ended

4:35

up taking over Twitter, which you now call X

4:37

but nobody else does Yeah,

4:40

all the things that we talked about at

4:42

the time not disclosing his stakes in Twitter

4:44

not Basically just lying and

4:46

being a dick. Oh, you

4:48

mean Elon's gonna Elon. Yeah Okay,

4:51

and by the way, I finally figured out this

4:54

is where I'll draw the line on the Twitter X Twitter

4:57

formerly know X formerly noticed where all that

4:59

shit I'm gonna call it Twitter until they

5:01

change the URL if I gotta go

5:03

to Twitter calm I'm going to Twitter

5:05

once they change it to X. I'll go

5:07

to X calm I'm just gonna call it Twitter until it

5:10

disappears. Yeah next week. Probably is

5:12

this right? and Keeping

5:15

on with the good news from Elon Tesla

5:17

driver says he's not sure if he killed

5:19

a pedestrian because he was on autopilot Well,

5:23

I have questions, but I'll let you

5:25

continue everybody has questions here a 42

5:29

year old Tesla driver who first denied

5:31

that he killed a woman with his

5:33

Tesla is now claiming He can't remember

5:35

because he was checking his emails because

5:37

he had autopilot on Yeah,

5:43

yeah, I mean it's not a laughing

5:45

matter that he actually killed somebody no,

5:47

it's Tesla but Yeah,

5:50

he's and he hasn't even been charged yet,

5:52

but they've got they've gathered enough evidence They

5:55

pinged his cell phone at the location. They've

5:57

got you know, his car that has been

5:59

dented and hair and blood samples from

6:01

the actual vehicle. So they think they got

6:03

their guy, right? You think?

6:05

They haven't charged him yet, but he's coming

6:08

out ahead of the game saying, I had

6:10

autopilot on, not my fault. I

6:12

like checking my emails on the way to work

6:14

when I should be paying attention to the road.

6:17

So I think

6:20

they're probably trying to move

6:22

him into an involuntary manslaughter

6:24

charge instead of like a

6:26

fleeing the scene, you

6:28

know, hit and run. This is probably gonna get

6:30

less, but. I mean, obviously this is a

6:33

load of shit, but. Again,

6:36

if you have a CEO of a

6:39

company who keeps coming out and calling

6:41

it self-driving and keeps releasing it and

6:43

keeps pushing the self-driving bullshit line, well,

6:47

some people are gonna believe that. Yeah,

6:50

bad marketing actually kills. Yes.

6:53

It actually kills. Yeah.

6:55

And bad self-driving also kills

6:57

cars because I love it.

7:00

You don't generally see this in San Francisco, but

7:03

a crowd of vigilantes

7:05

basically torched a Waymo car

7:09

in San Francisco. Just, just. Why?

7:12

Fuck it, we've had enough. We've had enough. They just

7:15

lost it? They lost it. Okay. Lost

7:17

their shit, yeah. So, yeah, it was a

7:19

dream. Listen, San Francisco, I lived in the

7:21

Venice, Santa Monica area during the height of

7:23

not only bird, but Prius, and I kept

7:25

my cool. Yeah, well. I'm

7:27

just saying. I think

7:29

San Francisco is a little bit different

7:31

now than it used to be. Right.

7:33

Yes, but I mean, it was devolving

7:36

into the land of man-poo and homelessness

7:38

before I left, and it's gotten apparently

7:40

just apocalyptic there now, so. And

7:43

thus the burning of the self-driving. I

7:45

mean, how in San Francisco of a

7:47

headline can you get? Vigilante

7:50

crowd destroys autonomous, like

7:52

driverless vehicle. That is something as we

7:55

were, when we were kids was just

7:57

straight out of sci-fi. And now it's

7:59

just. That could be a paragraph in Snow Crash.

8:02

Yeah, and now it's just normal. It's like, well,

8:04

of course they did. Of course they torched it.

8:07

Because apparently one hit a bicyclist the

8:09

other day. So that's,

8:11

you know, you don't get the fixy

8:13

wheel and vegans on your bad side

8:16

because they will fuck you up. Kill

8:18

the robot. Kill the robot. What else

8:20

we got? All right, 23andMe. 23andMe

8:22

is in a death spiral. Almost

8:27

anybody who wanted a DNA test already bought

8:29

one. There's been a nightmare data breach that

8:31

has ruined the company's reputation. And

8:33

the stock is so close to worthless it might actually get

8:36

kicked off the NASDAQ. So what do you

8:38

do? Well, CEO Anna, what? Wojcicki.

8:41

Wojcicki. Yeah. Well,

8:44

she's basically running around and letting investors know, well, we

8:46

got one other thing we could do. We're going to

8:48

make a lot of money. We're just going to sell

8:50

all the DNA data. That's

8:53

it. They said that they would never, ever do.

8:56

Exactly. And this is basically

8:58

a no-win situation if you're concerned about this

9:01

and you know 23andMe has your data because

9:03

either the company survives by selling the data or

9:06

it'll go out of business, get purchased and sold

9:08

off for parts, which means other companies will get

9:10

to sell off your data. Which I thought already

9:13

had happened. I thought that was

9:15

already done. They had made

9:17

a deal with one particular healthcare provider.

9:19

I think that was the thing. And

9:21

it was, you know, with all the

9:23

caveats. Of course it's randomized and anonymized

9:25

data, which is odd. But

9:28

yeah, so now that that exclusive deal is gone, so

9:30

they are free to sell left, right and center. Except

9:34

for the fact that they said they'd never do that. Yeah.

9:37

I mean, all it takes is a terms of use update that

9:39

nobody pays attention to and it's done. Exactly.

9:42

There you go. It's all out

9:44

there. So I was pretty pissed off about

9:46

this. Amazon basically saying, we're

9:48

going to put ads into the Prime

9:50

Video experience that you are paying for

9:53

if you're a Prime member. Oh

9:55

yeah. And everybody was pissed off about this. And of

9:57

course the class action lawsuit is coming. But

10:00

there's been a new wrinkle in this as well.

10:02

In addition to getting the advertisements, if you don't

10:04

want to pay that extra $3 per month

10:06

to not get the ads, you also don't get

10:09

Dolby Vision or Atmos. So

10:11

they're not just adding ads, they're stripping features.

10:13

They're stripping features as well. Yeah,

10:16

yeah. Let's see the fuck out of them. Yep. The

10:18

lawsuits are coming. The California Federal Court has already

10:21

started one, so it's going to be filed pretty

10:23

soon. Expect to

10:25

get your $2 out of this because there's absolutely

10:27

no chance that they aren't violating the terms of

10:29

the agreement that they made with all of us.

10:32

Yep. I turned on Mr.

10:34

and Mrs. Smith, the new show, and got

10:36

the notice that ads were going to be

10:38

in there. And I'm just like,

10:40

okay, well, it supremely pissed me

10:42

off. Just the notice

10:44

that they were doing it pissed me off. The

10:46

principle of the thing. I'm paying for it already.

10:49

Yeah. Not to mention that the show

10:51

was trash. So

10:54

I protested by not watching the rest of the series,

10:57

so they don't get to get my ads anyway.

11:00

Right. Still got your money though. Yeah, they

11:03

do. Well, they didn't get my $2.99 or $3. I'm

11:05

not going to give them my $3. Kiss

11:08

my ass. Not like they've

11:10

got that much to watch anyway. The

11:14

Taliban has shut down the queer.af domain, which

11:16

by the way is a great domain. It

11:19

is. It is a great domain, which

11:22

has in turn shut down a

11:24

big mastodon community. So that

11:28

kind of sucks. But you know. They just

11:30

got to re-point there, get a new domain

11:32

name. They'll be fine. Spread the word.

11:34

Yeah, they could get queer.ly. Oh wait, that's Olivia. That's why

11:36

I left Olivia. I

11:40

had dastardly, dastard.ly. When

11:42

I was working for Coldplay, we had the

11:44

.ly as a short domain. It

11:47

was like CDP.ly or something like that.

11:50

News links and all that. I remember I

11:52

felt dirty every time I had to go in and renew the

11:55

domain. I was like, I know where this money is going. Exactly.

11:58

Yeah, I ended up dumping them. because

12:00

I knew at some point this was going to happen. I

12:04

didn't stick around to find out, but yeah,

12:06

this is what happens when terrorists run your

12:08

country and don't like gay people. Speaking

12:12

of terrorists, Elon was giving

12:14

blue check marks to literal terrorists.

12:16

Hey, anybody pays up. Yeah, yeah.

12:20

I'm sure Amazon gives at most to anybody, any

12:22

terrorist paying the extra $3. That's

12:25

right. That's right. So

12:30

basically he's in big trouble on this one

12:32

too because he was taking money from groups

12:34

that the US government said you're not allowed

12:36

to actually do business with. Yes.

12:39

Yes. The US Department of the Treasury's Office of

12:41

Foreign Assets Control, the OFOC. Rolls

12:46

off the tongue. Yes. Elon

12:48

should be saying, oh fuck. Here comes OFOC. So

12:52

yeah, he just sells check marks to

12:54

anybody who wants one. Well,

12:57

then there's nobody

12:59

in the building checking anyways. No,

13:01

there's not. This is an automated process. You put

13:03

in your credit card, there's your blue check, sir.

13:05

Thank you very much. They do

13:08

check if you change your

13:10

profile picture. That's what they

13:12

do check. I changed

13:14

my profile to my sexy new

13:16

profile photo and they took my check

13:18

mark away for three days.

13:21

Three days. Do you know how much terrorist activity I

13:23

could have done in those three days? Well,

13:25

I only get my terrorist instructions

13:27

from verified terrorists. Exactly.

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17:12

the Looney Tunes, Coyote versus

17:14

Acme movie, the

17:16

fate has finally been sealed. They're

17:19

gonna burn it. They're just gonna burn the damn thing

17:22

because David Zlove.

17:24

Zazlove, yep. We're

17:26

trading off on name pronunciations today. I know.

17:30

Basically, he couldn't get all the money that he wanted.

17:33

And he's going, instead of, somebody offered him

17:35

just a little bit less than what he wanted for

17:37

the movie. And he said,

17:39

no, we're just gonna take the tax write

17:41

off and burn the movie. Say, screw it.

17:43

We need a hero at Warner Brothers Discovery

17:45

to just drop this on the torrents.

17:48

Yeah, we do. We definitely do. They

17:51

should do it as a company and never even

17:53

admit to it. That is the cool move. Fine,

17:55

you wanna take the hit for it? Drop it

17:57

out on Pirateed Bay. Yeah. So

18:01

and we also need a hero in Congress to step in and

18:03

say you guys got to stop doing this shit. Yeah,

18:05

you know They're just

18:07

stealing taxpayer money by doing that. That's

18:09

all they're doing. Yeah, it's corporate fuckery

18:11

Yeah in in plain sight, which is

18:13

the really shitty part. Yep. Oh, well

18:17

Watched a movie with the wife called past

18:19

lives. This is a it's an Oscar nominated movie

18:22

It is a it's the kind of

18:24

movie that you don't watch much anymore Since

18:26

since superheroes have taken over it is slow.

18:28

It is all dialogue There

18:31

is not a single special effect anywhere

18:33

in this movie. It is a small

18:35

story about two people and They

18:39

grew up together and then moved apart and

18:41

then have one day that they spent around

18:43

each other talking about their lives That's it

18:45

and it was fucking phenomenal All

18:48

right. It was great. I highly

18:50

very telling miss it and

18:53

Then I watched the greatest night in pop over

18:55

on Netflix Which is all about the we are

18:58

the world recording sessions and how it came to

19:00

be and everything. I had

19:02

not realized they recorded everything

19:05

and this is fascinating It's

19:08

it's just really cool Not only

19:10

to see like all these mega celebrities back in

19:12

their prime back in the day and then realizing

19:14

how much fucking plastic surgery most of them have

19:16

had since then No doubt

19:18

but just just how they interacted with

19:21

each other and seeing people like fanboying

19:23

and fangirling over other people and The

19:26

whole process and just the art the art

19:28

history involved of the egos and just it's

19:31

insane I can't recommend it enough.

19:33

Especially well, I This

19:35

will mean absolutely fucking nothing to anybody younger

19:37

than us. But for us, yeah Yeah,

19:40

it's fantastic. I'm a we're watching

19:42

it in chunks. Yeah, I can't just sit

19:44

down and watch the whole way through So

19:46

I would yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're doing like

19:48

half an hour chunks and we did the first half hour and

19:50

it was just it was Fantastic and we're like we don't want

19:52

to get burnt out on it So let's

19:54

just take it take it a block at a time like

19:56

I don't know how far really cool I don't know how

19:59

far you've gotten it And it's it's not

20:01

really a spoiler. This is stuff that happened a

20:03

long time ago But there is a moment where

20:05

Sheila E finally recognizes that she is only there

20:07

because they wanted Prince there Yeah

20:11

And she totally she gets it like it's it's

20:13

pretty cool. So I

20:16

don't watch a lot of stand-up comedy anymore just

20:18

because I found it's not that interesting

20:20

to me But this this this this one was kind

20:22

of going semi-viral and I'd heard a lot about it

20:25

and some people that I trust told Me it was

20:27

great. So I gave it a

20:29

go last night. It's Jacqueline Novak get on your

20:31

knees This is the comedy special that basically Use

20:34

is all about the blowjob and uses the

20:36

blowjob as the motif to that the whole

20:38

show was wrapped around Okay,

20:41

it is fucking phenomenal Okay,

20:43

like the there just

20:45

aren't comedians like this anymore This is like

20:48

this is like Monty Python when I was like

20:50

five years old or Eddie is in my 20s

20:53

It is she is smart. She is

20:55

funny She drops references like Dennis Miller

20:57

esque references You better have you should

20:59

you need a literary degree to probably

21:01

get everything that she drops in this

21:04

special It is awesome. Like I can't

21:06

recommend it enough. It's really good. I

21:09

will add it to the queue. Yep And

21:11

we got some release date news. Somebody feed

21:13

Phil season 7 is coming March 1st

21:16

So we're gonna get some very up and finish season 5

21:18

and 6 of that Yes, I've been

21:20

holding on to them because you know It's just like

21:22

this feel-good thing and as soon as I heard 7

21:24

was coming I talked I said to my wife like

21:26

alright, let's let's get through those other ones then Yeah,

21:30

I can't believe that they made a season 7

21:33

with most of us who actually like the show

21:35

holding off on watching 5 And I think it's

21:37

just because we add it to the references You

21:39

better have you should you need a literary degree

21:41

to probably get everything that she drops in this

21:44

special It is awesome. Like I can't recommend it.

21:46

It's really good. I will add it to

21:48

the queue And

21:50

we got some release date news. Somebody feed

21:53

Phil season 7 is coming March

21:55

1st So we're gonna get the hurry up and

21:57

finish season 5 and 6 of that. Yes. I've

21:59

been holding onto them because you know, it's just like

22:01

this feel good thing. And then as soon as I heard

22:03

seven was coming, I talked, I said to my wife like,

22:06

all right, let's, let's get through those other ones then. Yeah.

22:10

Uh, I can't believe that they made a

22:12

season seven with most of us who actually

22:14

liked the show holding off on watching five

22:16

and I think it's just cause we added

22:18

to the, we added to our, our queue

22:20

and they, they count that as close to

22:22

now, you know, whatever metric you

22:24

want to use, go for it. Yeah.

22:26

Uh, a show I will be watching since it's the

22:28

final season. I just feel like I have to have

22:31

to watch all the Star Trek no matter

22:33

what. I don't know if you are, but

22:35

Star Trek discovery or disco fifth and final

22:37

season will finally has a release date of

22:39

April 4th with the two episode premiere before

22:41

releasing the remaining eight episodes of the season

22:44

weekly on Thursdays. I've

22:46

never heard it referred to as Star Trek

22:48

disco. I, you know, they sell the shirt.

22:50

They're awesome. Really? Cause that,

22:52

that is more interesting than the actual show

22:54

itself. Well,

22:56

I got to see how they're going to wrap this. I

22:59

heard I hear it's going to be action packed.

23:01

That's what I hear too. We'll see. So we'll

23:03

see. Oh man. Uh,

23:05

Jon Stewart is back at the daily show. Did you

23:07

get a chance to check him out? I haven't. Cause

23:10

I haven't quite figured out how the fuck I could

23:12

watch it here in Canada yet. So YouTube. Yeah.

23:15

I get it on YouTube. Yeah. Uh,

23:17

I got to remember to add it to the DVR, but yeah,

23:19

I just caught it on YouTube. And, uh, yeah, God, it's so

23:22

nice to have him back. It's, it's great.

23:25

It's not, it's not that other show on Apple. Okay.

23:27

It's just Jon Stewart being back as Jon Stewart at

23:29

the daily show. Yeah. I got to catch it. You

23:31

just got to watch it. Yeah. It's, uh,

23:33

I mean, you get, you get all the feels. So

23:36

I'm happy he's back. All right. Well, something

23:38

else that's coming back down to Abby. Why?

23:42

Well, I'm happy about this because they aren't going

23:45

to do another movie. They're actually going to do

23:47

a full seventh season. Why?

23:49

I don't know. I like it.

23:51

I'm happy about it. I can't

23:53

wait for it. I'm going to watch it. So will you.

23:56

Are they going to be building websites now because we have to

23:58

be that far in the future. They have to be

24:00

coming up on the technology revolution Mary is the Dowager

24:03

now Seriously,

24:05

come on. Yeah, we'll see. I never even

24:07

saw the last movie The

24:10

movie is just that's why I'm excited that they're actually gonna

24:12

do a season again because they can actually get into stories

24:14

and not just You know do aha moments

24:16

and all that stuff Yeah The movies

24:18

just seem like a quick series of vignettes of

24:20

things that you're like you have to build the

24:22

story in your head It like exactly later on

24:24

exactly they're coasting on previous story in the movies

24:26

That's why I'm I have hoped that a

24:29

whole season is gonna have a story Yeah,

24:31

okay. Anyways In

24:34

news of destroying our youth. There's a big

24:36

multi-python spat that's broken out on Twitter Mostly

24:40

because it came out that basically like

24:42

somebody was like Eric idols got

24:44

a great Twitter presence. I don't know if you follow

24:46

him He's very nice. He's very funny, but

24:48

somebody was like Intimidated that they

24:50

were all rich and he was like, I don't know why

24:53

you think we're loaded The

24:55

show that we did for the BBC the BBC kept

24:57

all the money We made some money from

24:59

the movies, but that was 40 50 years ago now And

25:03

then he complained because Terry Gilliam's daughter is

25:05

actually managing the estate and he's not happy

25:07

about how they do it and blah blah blah

25:10

and pointed out that John Cleese had fired

25:12

their previous manager and John Cleese weighed into

25:14

it and John

25:16

Cleese is a grumpy old man. There's

25:19

no doubt about that. He is a he

25:21

courts Trump's controversy wherever he goes He's very

25:23

he would be Magga if he lived

25:25

here, I suppose, but he's still kind of funny But

25:28

he did live here doesn't he live in Santa Barbara? No,

25:30

I thought he still lived in London. Oh No,

25:33

I know Eric. I know Eric. I don't lives

25:35

in LA. I've been to his house So yeah,

25:37

no, we've been to John Cleese his house for

25:40

one of his I'm almost positive. He lives in Santa

25:42

Barbara. Okay Anyways, he

25:44

came out and said something like I always

25:46

loathed and despised Eric Idol But that's not what

25:49

he said and he walked it back. It was

25:51

a joke blah blah blah Anyways, I don't like

25:53

seeing octogenarian Previous

25:56

heroes of mine fighting with each other. Can't they

25:58

all just get along? Well,

26:00

John Cleese has always been kind of a dick. Yeah, he

26:02

has. I mean... He's a funny

26:04

dick, but he's a dick. He's a very funny dick, but

26:06

he's a dick. But yeah.

26:09

I always thought if they were going to get rid of What's

26:11

His Face from Top Gear, they should have brought John Cleese in

26:13

to replace him. Oh my god,

26:15

that would have been fantastic. That would have been

26:18

perfect. Perfect. Except he couldn't fit into any cars

26:20

because he soot him tall. That's true. And

26:22

speaking of Top Gear, there's another special coming. Snooze.

26:26

Oh, really? Oh, it's called

26:28

contractually obligated is what it's called.

26:32

It's called We Gotta Get Those Three Bucks For Atmos.

26:34

So will you watch it? Yeah,

26:36

it's just them doing donuts in the Amazon

26:38

parking lot now. So

26:43

AMC is going to be paying an

26:45

$8 million class action lawsuit. $8.3 million

26:47

actually. Because

26:52

they put a tracking pixel on

26:55

their website, and it

26:57

broke a 1988 law about not selling

27:01

viewer data. So

27:04

basically, they left the

27:07

Facebook ID in some of their pixel

27:09

tracking stuff, and they left it

27:11

unencrypted. So somebody found it

27:13

and said, hey, they're passing along what movies

27:15

I'm watching. So

27:20

it literally comes back from

27:22

the Video Privacy Protection Act

27:25

from 1988. So

27:27

if you went past that beaded curtain and you rented

27:29

some movies from back there, they weren't able to release

27:31

that. Exactly. Basically, it

27:33

was like Blockbuster. So

27:36

don't go in the back room. So

27:38

I just thought that was pretty funny. So

27:41

if you're one of those few people, that's why there's

27:43

only 6 million people are going to

27:45

be getting paid out on this. So literally, you're going to be getting

27:48

about $1.50. Because

27:50

nobody subscribes to AMC+. I

27:54

wouldn't even subscribe to Plus Plus. Cops

27:57

and doodads. Well,

28:00

you remember our good old friend's privacy that advertised

28:02

with us for a short period of time where

28:04

you could spin up basically a virtual credit card

28:07

and you had online. They're

28:09

not going to be in business much longer. Okay,

28:12

why not? Apple Cash will soon offer

28:14

a virtual card number in iOS 17.4

28:16

beta that could be used to shop

28:18

online where Apple Pay isn't available. That's

28:21

a new security code for every transaction and

28:23

the number can be accessed in Safari's autofill

28:25

for easy use. So you can

28:28

basically just set up virtual credit card numbers with

28:30

Apple now on your phone, done and done, taken

28:33

care of. See you later. Oh,

28:35

but you got to use Safari. Oh, I

28:39

don't like Safari. I'm sure they'll roll this

28:41

out into other browsers. Yeah,

28:43

I'm sure. But that's great. Yeah, no, it's

28:45

a really great idea. I'm happy they're going

28:47

to do it. So no

28:50

word on if that's going to be international. That was

28:52

a problem with privacy for me when I moved here.

28:55

US only. Oh, that's right. Yeah,

28:57

US only. Google Gemini

28:59

AI is out and you'll

29:01

be shocked to hear this. Even if you

29:03

delete your conversations, they keep them for up

29:05

to three years. Even if

29:07

you opt out because we covered this last week and

29:10

it was, you know, they opt you into the three

29:12

years no matter what, but you could have opted out

29:14

and they said they were going to keep it for

29:16

72 hours. Nope. Okay.

29:18

Google being Google, Jason. Okay.

29:21

And then the funny thing is they've

29:23

already upped the, it was like

29:25

a Gemini, Gemini, Gemini. Nobody

29:27

could speak today. It was

29:30

Gemini 1.0 last week and now it's

29:32

Gemini 1.5. They've already revved 5.5. Yeah.

29:36

Now with less privacy. Now

29:38

with less privacy. Exactly. We

29:41

need to rename these sections now. I'm

29:44

determined that because everything now in apps and

29:46

do dads is going to be just AI

29:48

based. We

29:51

should have renamed it back when

29:53

Bitcoin was a thing. We should have just

29:55

named that criminals going to criminal. That could

29:57

have been our blockchain segment. And

30:00

we can just call this one the end of everything

30:02

because... The only problem is that's work. Yeah,

30:05

we gotta make it work for music. We gotta

30:07

get Bob on front of a microphone. Can

30:11

we AI? Yeah, seriously.

30:13

Let's call up 11 Labs and

30:15

get Bob cloned. We'll just

30:17

do that. Sorry, Bob. Okay,

30:21

so a couple bits of open AI

30:24

news here. Open AI disrupting malicious uses

30:26

of AI by state affiliate threat actors.

30:29

So they are basically taking down... I

30:32

love this. They disrupted groups called

30:34

charcoal typhoon and salmon typhoon from

30:36

China. Crimson sandstorm from Iran.

30:38

Emerald sleet from North Korea. And forest

30:40

blizzard from Russia. These sound like World

30:43

of Warcraft clan. I was going even

30:45

further back. I was like thinking my

30:47

GI Joe comics that I read when

30:49

I was like 10. Yeah.

30:53

Here comes Agent X from charcoal

30:55

typhoon. Super commands

30:57

called in salmon typhoon. That

31:01

sounds like the shittiest superhero power

31:03

ever. Form

31:05

of salmon typhoon. Still better than that guy that

31:07

just turned into a bucket of water. Yeah,

31:10

that's true. I wonder

31:12

to end. You're fucking great. So

31:16

yeah, so they're working to

31:18

get these guys. The

31:22

thing is, they said that even though we're

31:24

playing whack-a-mole with these guys, everything they're doing

31:26

isn't really that bad. They're not

31:28

really doing anything horrible because it's

31:31

in their best interest to say, oh, they can't do

31:33

anything horrible with open AI. Because

31:37

they're trying to cover it from both ends. They say,

31:39

yeah, we got them, but they weren't really doing anything

31:41

bad because we have guardrails and they can't do anything

31:43

that bad. So it's a

31:45

tightrope they're walking over there. You've heard

31:47

of Sharknado. Well, here comes salmon typhoon.

31:50

Oh, God. I

31:54

saw this with AI companions promise to

31:56

combat loneliness, but history shows the dangers

31:59

of one-way relationships. Sadness their lies. My friends,

32:01

sadness their lies. Yeah,

32:04

do not do this, people. No,

32:07

no, do not do this. Stay away.

32:09

I mean, we've seen the movie

32:11

Her, so we know that's a problem already. It

32:13

wasn't that great of a movie, honestly. No,

32:17

it was a horrible movie, actually. Yeah, okay.

32:19

But I'm not the only one that thought

32:21

that. No. Oh, that's right.

32:23

The box office thought that, too. So,

32:26

yeah, there's all these, you know, AI companions coming out.

32:29

But the next article I have should dissuade you from getting one no

32:31

matter what. Your AI girlfriend is

32:33

a data-harvesting horror show. Hey,

32:37

you don't say that about my girlfriend. She's no horror

32:39

show. Now

32:42

we know what Mozilla's up to. This

32:44

Valentine's Day, a warning about the dark

32:46

side of AI romance. Mozilla's Privacy Not

32:48

Included project reveals that AI girlfriends and

32:50

boyfriends, well, I

32:53

guess a few boyfriends, I guess,

32:55

sure, while marketed as digital companions

32:57

are actually massive data-harvesting operations. Who'da

33:00

thunk it? Who'da thunk it?

33:02

According to the study, these AI chatbots,

33:04

including well-known names like Replica and Chai,

33:06

are prying into users' most personal information,

33:08

ranging from sexual health to medication use,

33:11

and in most cases, selling or sharing

33:13

this data. Shockingly, these

33:15

apps serve among the worst offenders

33:18

in Mozilla's privacy review, with nearly

33:20

all failing to meet basic

33:22

privacy and security standards. Romantic

33:26

AI even utilized over, wait for

33:28

it, 24,000 trackers in just one

33:31

minute. How

33:36

is that possible? Unbelievable.

33:39

I mean, I feel so bad for people that feel

33:41

the need to get to this point,

33:44

but Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yeah.

33:47

God. Man, oh man.

33:49

You know, the initial promise of the internet was

33:51

like, there will be a lid for every pot

33:54

out there. Whatever you're

33:56

into, you will find people into it. I

33:58

guess not. People

34:01

just got lazy and we lost LiveJournal. Honestly,

34:03

LiveJournal was where all the weirdos and freaks

34:05

went. You know, that was the best place.

34:08

Yeah, Tumblr for a bit. LiveJournal

34:11

was just the OG. I love that. I

34:13

got more dates on LiveJournal than any other service.

34:16

Even beat Twitter, believe it or not. So

34:20

yeah, this is not surprising. I got another story

34:22

in a second we'll get to that we'll

34:24

cap that off with. We've got

34:26

AI monitoring employee comms for thought crimes and

34:29

Slack and more. Basically this

34:31

is an article that talks about how major

34:33

companies are basically putting

34:35

out AI sniffers to

34:37

read your Slack chats, your team chats,

34:39

your Zoom meetings and all this crap

34:41

looking for thought crimes. Seeing who's getting

34:44

ready to quit or possibly steal company

34:46

secrets. Yeah, or

34:48

start a union. Right. Start a

34:50

union. That kind of thing.

34:52

Oh Starbucks. Yeah, don't go on the Starbucks

34:55

chat. I think Starbucks is in there. Mm-hmm.

34:57

That's what I'm saying. So somebody

35:00

gave me a Starbucks gift card the other day and I

35:02

have no idea what to do with it. I

35:04

mean, you know, when you're a little blocked up, beats

35:07

prune juice. No because you have to

35:09

stay in the state and get in the drive-through line for 45

35:11

minutes just to get your coffee. And

35:13

I'm like, no, no. I don't know. LA,

35:16

if you haven't been to LA, at least out

35:18

here in the Valley that often, but the drive-through

35:20

line for Starbucks is usually three blocks long. I

35:23

don't understand it. I'm like, it's the worst

35:25

coffee. It's

35:28

still just coffee. I

35:30

mean, come on, it's coffee. I mean, I won't

35:32

stand in line that long for In and Out

35:34

and that's like, you know, God's Hamburger. So

35:38

many show titles today. God's Hamburger.

35:40

It's a shame

35:42

we're not going to use that one. I

35:44

know. I'm going to pull that one back out

35:46

of the archives sometime. We'll use it for a

35:49

recap show. You're

35:52

right though. It is fucking God's Hamburger. I'm

35:54

dying right now. I'm going to buy a

35:56

fucking flight just to get a burger. go

36:00

get us in line right now. Okay, by the time I

36:02

land. Exactly. We'll be ready to

36:04

get you in. So

36:07

chat GPT is going to get a memory. Okay.

36:09

Just what we want. Just what we want.

36:11

So we could remember all those chats that you

36:14

had with it late at night when you're

36:16

beating your meat because chat GPT is your girlfriend.

36:19

Exactly. Fantastic.

36:22

Oh man. Just one more tracker, one

36:25

more tracker. $23,998.

36:28

$23,999. $24,000. Whoo. Now this hasn't been rolled out to everybody yet. It will be coming

36:41

soon for paid subscribers. And

36:44

the annoying thing about this is that

36:46

it is going to be,

36:48

it looks like it's going to be global and not

36:50

chat specific because it would be great if it was

36:52

just chat specific because you could open up a chat,

36:55

train that chat and just keep it and just go

36:57

back to it and reference it and teach it all

36:59

this stuff. Yeah. Let it become self-aware because you've left

37:01

it open for three days. Exactly.

37:05

But I don't want all of it to get thrown into

37:07

memory because I do put in a lot of random shit

37:10

summarizing articles and writing stuff for other

37:12

people. Yeah. You know, I mean,

37:14

we're going to be writing things about terrorists

37:17

and blue check marks in Elon in a

37:19

little bit here. So I don't want it

37:21

to remember that for most things. You

37:23

will be able to wipe

37:25

it. Selectively or just in general?

37:28

Quote unquote. No, in general. See that's the

37:30

problem. If you do selective, that'd be nice.

37:32

You can. You can have it delete specific

37:34

memories by telling it to. What's the best

37:37

way to kill my, delete

37:39

that one. What

37:42

are the effects of cyanide on a 47 year old? I

37:45

mean, theoretically,

37:48

if one was going to write a story about

37:50

killing one's wife, how would one go about it?

37:54

And forget I said that after you answer it

37:56

selectively, but remember everything else about me. Yeah.

37:59

Yeah. So there were there were there

38:01

will have some that of memory management tools but I

38:03

think I think for the most part it would be

38:05

great if the like I said if this was on

38:08

a per chat thing here because there are things that

38:10

I want to train it on to do a specific

38:12

task. that it did. I have ah, text, expand or

38:14

snippets for f that I had had to put in

38:16

every time and just to have trained up and that

38:18

is like boom okay neither how great would it be

38:21

if we could train and the grumpy old geeks voice

38:23

because you know I could just start writing all the

38:25

summaries for me. Fantastic! But do I wanted to do

38:27

everything in the grumpy or geeks voice? I get tired.

38:30

I'd. Suffer for. It

38:33

out because I actually started spitting up of.

38:36

Are one of their which college that your own

38:38

shadier bta I deny you can in the marketplace

38:40

you can spin up your own and you can

38:42

train and I started throwing are transcripts out a

38:45

great let me know when to let me know

38:47

how that's gotten. Is

38:49

a pain in the ass because I

38:51

first I have to. I didn't I

38:53

I'm trying to remember my basic shell

38:55

scripting one a one it how to

38:57

use cat. you know, the other day

38:59

actually typed man cat for the first

39:01

time since the probably nineteen in ninety

39:03

two for when Manama was on the

39:05

air. Ah, Yes Ma'am are

39:07

you hard with references? And

39:11

alums I've been trying to remember my

39:13

preferences. I'm I hadn't like Praeger. The

39:15

need a pipe this directory of files

39:17

internal visionary on concatenate the entire getting

39:19

into the girlfriend ai again. I

39:21

and I are intersect with my pipe and

39:23

references. Oh so anyway we'll

39:26

get there and will have a will have it in some

39:28

there but you have to manually up the you can't like

39:30

select a bunch of files to upload. you have to select

39:32

them one at a time. Which. Is

39:34

a pain in the as as I'm just a

39:36

can try to concatenate entire thing into one long

39:38

documents sense as we have six hundred and fifty of

39:40

on some point you're going it's gonna be able to

39:43

dump the Rss, feed him. That

39:45

would be nice. I'm so blessed by the time I'm

39:47

done with it that aren't you will come out. Yeah.

39:49

Seriously. Seriously. Ah, Invidious

39:52

trying to start a new chat bot that will

39:54

run locally on your pc of course using in

39:56

video chips. Yes! Ah! if you've got the and

39:58

video g Force or tx. The series gp

40:00

use or higher in at least eight gigabytes

40:02

of the ramp and you are using a

40:04

the I'm Bitcoin. Ugly.

40:07

or each of. You

40:09

will be able to run your own personal girlfriend

40:11

on your own computer which is which is what

40:13

would look at it. Anybody.

40:16

Who's going to have a virtual girlfriend? I

40:18

guarantee has is at least a G Force?

40:20

Archie X thirty sitting around for a couple

40:22

of a better way to destroy my in

40:24

in video card because I don't like my

40:26

girlfriend anymore and then delete the. So

40:31

wait for that. One of

40:33

open Ai has also released

40:35

a new video model. Cold

40:37

sore how this has taken

40:39

over Twitter. It

40:41

has taken over the Were and I am hired

40:43

to worry about your point that they you don't

40:46

think that they look good now obviously. I'm probably

40:48

seen a very highly curated feed on Twitter of

40:50

people that love this product and the videos look

40:52

amazing. Watch. The feet and

40:55

can watch the seats and watch the

40:57

our there's one with of these the

40:59

cubs that are like give me a

41:01

video of five cubs playing and it

41:03

starts out with three and then they

41:06

morph into for and and then morph

41:08

into five and seven and they roll

41:10

around in this giant hydra have heard

41:12

the and it is a cheap low

41:14

rent acid trip anyway to ah I'm

41:17

sure it's going to get better but

41:19

there are things like if you there's

41:21

this one of this woman walking. Out

41:24

as Asian woman walking and like and barely

41:26

like. You know the streets at night and

41:28

watch the feet. What everybody's feet. Everybody's.

41:31

Floating nobody has. There's no. There's the permanence

41:33

in placement. If you know to look for

41:35

these things are getting his glaring. Okay. if

41:37

you look for the basic so than before

41:39

I will look at fingers. Now for conflict.

41:42

Math. And death. Yet. Ten and

41:45

ten fingers and toes. Baby. Six figures.

41:47

And those. So I'm sure

41:49

that you're going to get better in this. They can do this

41:51

up to minute but it's not out yet. Rest of the. the

41:53

think about the gemini demo that we

41:55

got a couple weeks ago it was

41:57

like google gemini you know shave my

42:00

It's like okay done show these

42:02

shiny marbles note. That's not how good it works

42:04

Yeah, and I'm sure that these are highly curated

42:06

because the only demos that you see right now

42:09

are the ones that open AI release Okay, so

42:11

yeah, so yeah, there's nothing out there that yeah,

42:14

these are all from them. Okay, so

42:17

Yeah, just hold on for that Yeah,

42:20

don't fire your your VFX

42:22

crew just yet And

42:25

the US Patent and Trademark Office has finally come

42:27

out and said no we're done with

42:29

this AI cannot hold

42:32

a patent good It must be you

42:34

can use it to help but

42:36

you have to prove that a human did

42:38

the you know The prom majority of the

42:40

work. Yeah Yeah,

42:42

the humans did the hard parts, please There

42:46

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GOG. Show slash VPN I finished a

43:43

new book Jason. It's called

43:45

infinity gate the pandemonium

43:47

book number one by

43:49

MR carriage You

43:57

just told me not to do any spoilers. So I won't because

43:59

as you're listening to it right now. You

44:02

can tell me if it's good or not. Just

44:04

don't put any plot spoilers. It is good. There

44:07

is a, in

44:10

the middle, I got lost

44:12

for a little bit. And I was

44:14

like, oh, god, this is dragging. This

44:16

is dragging. This is dragging. But I

44:18

love the premise. I like the story.

44:20

It ended on one hell of a

44:22

cliffhanger. It picked up from that middle

44:24

bit. There's one character that

44:26

is a major character, and it was like

44:28

the origin story, that major character that

44:32

I was just not into. And it kind of took me out

44:34

of the book for a bit. And

44:36

I was debating not finishing it

44:38

because life is short. But I'm glad I

44:40

made my way through. So I enjoyed it.

44:43

The main conceit is basically, we talked

44:46

about the Long Earth series by Terry Pratchett and

44:48

Stephen Baxter a lot because we loved it so

44:50

much. The skipping

44:52

over to Parallel Earths. This is that,

44:55

but a different and darker take on

44:57

it. I

44:59

really liked it. I am not going to go straight into

45:01

the second book because I've learned my lesson. We talk about

45:03

that all the time. Going to read something else first, and

45:05

then I'm going to go into book two. All

45:08

right, that's my plan too because I'm about

45:10

a third of the way into the book, and

45:13

I dig it. Yeah, I really dig it. Yeah. Because

45:16

basically, your second line in here where you said a

45:18

different darker take on the Long Earth, I'm like, sign

45:20

me up. Sign me up right away. And the other

45:22

thing is, it really made me want to go read

45:25

the Long Earth series again. I

45:27

downloaded them all back to my phone. So yeah.

45:30

Because I don't remember the last two. Because

45:32

I remember the first three really well, and I

45:34

don't remember the last two. I forgot that there

45:36

were five of them, so I'm very excited. I

45:39

think that's why, because I forgot that there were five as

45:41

well. I thought there were only three, and I'm like, there

45:43

are five? And it's marked as red? What? OK. I

45:46

guess I'll go back and check them out. Yeah, so

45:48

at some point, I'm going to finish this pandemonium series.

45:50

There's only two as far as I can tell, or

45:52

at least there's just two out, so I suppose. Two

45:54

out, yeah. When I finish the second one, I'm going

45:56

to discover this is an ongoing series, of course. But

45:58

it's good. It is definitely good. good so I'm glad

46:01

you're along for the ride. The

46:03

Dark Side with

46:07

Dave. Welcome

46:10

to The Dark Side with Dave, with podcast super

46:12

host Dave Bittner. Dave is the host of the

46:15

Cyberware Podcast for all your cybersecurity news. The co-host

46:17

of Hacking Humans with Joe Kerrigan discussing how humans

46:19

are mean. The co-host of caveat with Ben Yellen

46:21

because people are nosy and host of control loop

46:23

because industrial machines are going to take over the

46:25

world because of AI and people who just want

46:28

to steal our money. It is a horrible thing.

46:30

Hi Dave. Hello.

46:32

Hello Dave. Hey

46:36

listen, before we jump into our scheduled

46:38

stories here today, I saw in the

46:40

rundown that you guys were talking about

46:42

this new thing from OpenAI with the

46:44

videos. And this was

46:46

getting lots of conversation around

46:48

the virtual lunch table here at

46:51

Cyberwire and it's

46:54

really something. Well,

46:57

I think they look amazing for what they are.

46:59

I mean, is there a

47:02

creep factor on some

47:04

of them? Yes, absolutely. But

47:06

just like I would hate

47:09

to be in the stock footage

47:11

business today. Because I

47:13

think that now we don't know

47:16

how long it takes to generate these

47:18

things. So if it takes

47:20

an hour to generate a one minute clip, then

47:23

a stock footage library is still probably the better

47:26

choice for somebody who uses it

47:28

regularly. But to

47:30

be able to generate anything and

47:32

have it be photorealistic, especially

47:35

like, you know, to make a high

47:37

wide shot of New York City, dawn,

47:39

you know, boom, there it

47:41

is. It's pretty

47:44

amazing. Yeah, for things like that. The puppies

47:46

look like puppies. Oh, 17 of

47:48

them as they keep replicating. Well,

47:51

let us not forget that, you know,

47:53

in about two months when that's a

47:55

little bit better, our entire feed is

47:57

going to be flooded with. Let's have

47:59

a of Joe Biden falling down again.

48:02

Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's

48:04

coming. It's true. Okay, Dave, I'm gonna tell you...

48:06

Bad timing. Yeah, it's definitely

48:09

bad timing. I'm gonna tell you what

48:11

I told Brian. You can tell your

48:13

cyberwire friends, watch the feet. So,

48:16

when you're watching these people

48:19

walk, none of them stick. They're all

48:21

kind of floating just a little bit

48:23

like they've got those roller skate sneakers

48:25

on, you know? Right. That's true. Or

48:27

like somebody fell in love in a

48:29

Looney Tunes cartoon. Yeah. Yeah.

48:32

Or also like the running loops

48:35

from like Scooby Doo, you know, when

48:37

they'd be in the hallway, their feet

48:39

wouldn't quite be attached to the floor.

48:41

Yeah. Absolutely. And there's one where like

48:44

the one of the people's

48:46

legs just switch spontaneously.

48:49

Yeah. And they have trouble with fingers

48:51

and this, that, and the other thing.

48:53

But still, with

48:56

all those nitpicks to just

48:58

like, yeah, the dogs

49:00

look like dogs. That's the thing that gets me. Like...

49:03

Until they split and become multiples. And then

49:05

they tell me it's like a cheap acid

49:07

trip for me. I'm like, I do not.

49:10

Flashbacks. Bad. Bad. You don't need this. No, I don't.

49:12

You've been in your life. No.

49:14

No, I need

49:17

a safe space. Asparagus,

49:19

asparagus. Yeah. Well. It'll

49:22

get better. But also remember that this is the

49:24

cream of the crop, the creme de la creme,

49:27

the best that they can possibly do. This is

49:29

being released by them and only them and yeah.

49:31

Yeah. I don't know if you've ever seen the

49:33

Firefly site from Adobe that has all of their

49:35

generative AI stuff up there and they have their

49:37

galleries and stuff like that that, you know, what

49:39

can be done with it. There

49:42

is no way that most people are making

49:44

that stuff out of that. I try any

49:46

of those prompts even and it comes out

49:48

like that really horrible scene from the fly.

49:50

That's more of what it's like than, you

49:53

know, some beautiful parrot floating

49:55

through the air. No, I mean it's

49:57

true, but it's also... You

50:00

know, the picture of the hamburger up on

50:02

the menu board at McDonald's, there's no resemblance

50:04

to what they actually give you in the

50:06

bag, so... This is true. Yeah.

50:10

We're used to that. Yeah. Reality

50:12

is fungible. Mm-hmm. Well,

50:15

we have a bit of Star Wars news. I

50:17

don't recall if you watched this show, Dave, because

50:19

I remember there was some... You

50:22

were kind of a live action guy and not

50:24

an animated guy, but The Bad Batch is coming,

50:26

season three, which will be the final season on

50:28

February 21st. I personally love the

50:30

show. I think it's really good, so I'm looking forward

50:32

to this. I'll have to

50:34

revisit it. My son and I started

50:36

watching it, and it just didn't stick.

50:40

Didn't find the first few episodes all that

50:42

compelling. I don't know. Maybe

50:45

I got too many Aussies. I don't

50:47

know. Right. But

50:50

if you say it's good, I'll give it a

50:52

revisit. What in particular do you like about it?

50:55

It's that whole thing that we kind of discussed

50:57

a bit with The Mandalorian, which is Star

51:00

Wars that works without a Jedi.

51:03

We don't need Skywalker's. We don't need Darth

51:05

Vader. We don't need the Empire. It's

51:09

what a good

51:11

pre-Honsolo origin story

51:13

should be. It's

51:15

like these mercenaries out there and just kind

51:18

of trying to make their way

51:20

in the universe that's not so nice. Mm-hmm.

51:23

These are the blue collar guys in

51:27

the Star Wars universe. So

51:29

I really enjoy it. It's a good time. All

51:32

right. No, I'll revisit it. I don't

51:34

recall specifically why it didn't stick, but

51:37

willing to give it another try. Do

51:39

we have any Andor news? Do we know

51:41

anything about when that's coming back? Season two

51:44

has finished principal shooting. All shooting is wrapped,

51:46

so now they're firing up the AI for

51:48

the special effects. Okay. So we'll find out.

51:51

Yeah, they were just waiting for this release from OpenAI to get

51:53

the game done. Yeah. So no feet will

51:55

touch ground on season two. Well, and

51:57

it's okay for the aliens to have multiple.

52:00

weird fingers. Yeah, we're

52:02

good. It's all worth it. Yeah,

52:04

yeah. I wanted to highlight this

52:06

story that's been making the rounds

52:10

that's pissing me off. So

52:14

I guess that's probably too

52:16

strong a description. It's perturbing me. So

52:20

the the breathless headlines

52:23

say cyber criminals

52:25

are stealing iOS users

52:27

face scans to break into mobile

52:29

banking accounts. Now

52:32

the first round of headlines about

52:34

this said cyber in

52:36

fact, I think I want

52:38

to say that the first round of this

52:40

article I've linked to said cyber

52:43

criminals are stealing iOS users face

52:46

ID scans to break into mobile

52:48

banking accounts. Right. I think they've

52:50

updated this because gailing it back

52:53

as we go along. Exactly.

52:56

So the

52:58

idea here is that there are some

53:00

bad guys from China

53:03

who are being called gold

53:05

factory by researchers from group

53:07

IB. And basically what

53:09

they're doing is is they're tricking people

53:11

with iOS devices to

53:15

install some management software. And

53:18

then as part of the onboarding

53:20

of that management software, they're asking

53:22

you to go through a facial

53:24

scanning process. And

53:27

then they're using the scan that that

53:29

generates and sends to them. They're running

53:32

that through deep fake

53:35

software to then be able to

53:38

access your bank account, right

53:41

and get in there. So and this

53:43

is all this is taking

53:45

place primarily in Thailand, where

53:47

the Thai government has a

53:50

digital app that uses facial

53:53

scans to provide

53:55

security, right? Okay.

53:57

So all the

53:59

articles for this were saying

54:01

that they were accessing

54:03

Face ID and this was the first

54:06

time that Face ID had been breached

54:09

in this way. And

54:11

I read this and I don't think this

54:14

has anything to do with Face ID. All

54:17

they're doing is taking your picture. Yeah. Yeah.

54:21

Which they can get anywhere. Yeah. And

54:23

because it's my understanding and I reserve the right to

54:26

be wrong that the

54:28

way Face ID works, you

54:30

don't have access to it. It is part

54:32

of the secure enclave. It does its thing

54:35

and all Face ID does is say yes

54:37

or no. Is this the person like the

54:40

software asks, is this the person I'm asking

54:42

it to be? Face ID does a scan

54:44

and says yes or no. Either this matches

54:46

our preexisting scanner, it doesn't. But you can't

54:49

export that data. You don't have access to

54:51

it. Nope. It doesn't provide.

54:53

So you concur. My understanding on that is correct.

54:56

Yeah. Yeah. And

55:00

yet we have this story. They

55:03

forgot the word as. It's feeling

55:05

Face as ID because that's

55:08

all it is. There's people. It's a

55:10

bad app in Thailand that's using facial

55:12

scanning as the ID and somebody's just

55:14

getting more pictures and saying, hey, here

55:16

we go. And then just

55:18

probably matching the format and

55:20

sending it along. Right. And

55:22

I'm willing to cut them just a teeny-weensy

55:25

little bit of slack because I think

55:29

Face ID has become synonymous

55:31

with the term of

55:33

art of facial scanning, holding your phone up,

55:35

having it look at you and

55:37

determine whether to give you access or not. I think

55:40

people generically refer to

55:42

that as Face ID. So

55:45

a little tiny bit of

55:47

slack. But the headlines here

55:49

have all been just as

55:52

we so often see breathless

55:54

about. Well

55:57

the whole time that you were talking about

55:59

this story. The back of my mind is

56:01

just like firing off. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

56:03

Mine too. Thank you, Rude. This

56:05

reminds me of how many times we were

56:07

on this show, this very show talking about,

56:09

are our phones listening to us? Refuted.

56:13

Oh, no. And then the stories keep on

56:15

coming, and they're are listening to

56:17

us, and we refuted again, and again, and

56:19

again. Are they, though? Right. Are

56:22

they? Just like you typed up

56:24

there, and we're saying no. But then we had

56:26

this big bombshell just a few months ago, right?

56:28

There was this company that came out and said,

56:30

why, yes, we are using your phones to

56:32

listen to you. But

56:35

we've heard fuck all about that since then.

56:38

Whatever happened? I think

56:40

they're buried outside of Las Vegas. Actually,

56:45

the only other thing I saw about that was that

56:48

those claims may have been greatly exaggerated.

56:50

That's what I figured. And they backed

56:52

off of them, that they weren't actually

56:54

listening because it is not

56:57

practical to do so. Right. So

57:00

it was the marketing people exaggerating

57:03

their capabilities to try to make a sale.

57:05

Imagine that happening. Oh, my goodness. Never

57:08

heard of that. Marketing going askew and around. Maybe

57:11

we should just rebrand this show. Are they, though?

57:15

Are they? Yeah. It

57:17

turns out. Yeah. Yeah. So

57:21

you can tell, I kind of have my dander up

57:23

about that. I did share my

57:25

skepticism about it on Mastodon. And there

57:28

were some folks who chimed in and

57:30

said, yeah, I think you're on the

57:32

right track here. It doesn't

57:34

seem to have anything to do with Face ID. No. Are

57:37

you still on Hackaderm? Is that your Mastodon of

57:39

choice still? I am indeed, yes. I am on

57:41

hackaderm.io. Okay. I

57:43

just reinstalled it the other day because I wanted

57:45

to check some things out that I posted up

57:48

there before. And I have like

57:50

three different Mastodon accounts on three different servers. I

57:52

thought Hackaderm was the one that you set me

57:54

up with. So, okay. I've

57:56

been enjoying it. I have to say the transition

57:59

from Twitter to... Mastodon has

58:01

suited me well and I suspect

58:05

a lot of it is just my personality type,

58:07

but it seems like folks

58:10

on mastodon are less interested

58:13

in chasing numbers like follower

58:15

numbers and more

58:18

interested in actual

58:21

meaningful interaction. It's it's it hasn't

58:23

been taken over by marketers correct.

58:26

That's yeah or influencers or

58:28

influencers. Yeah, you got to want to be there.

58:31

That's true. Yeah, you did. It's true and

58:34

you know there's some people have pointed out

58:36

that in some ways there are

58:38

people on there who do make it feel like it's

58:40

an HOA You

58:42

know, you cannot have a

58:44

purple background. Well, the

58:46

main thing that the thing

58:48

that always comes up is if you don't

58:50

include descriptions of your images that you post,

58:52

right, you will be descended

58:55

upon with great force and Reminded

58:57

in no uncertain terms that you are a

58:59

horrible person for leaving out, you know, all

59:01

the people who have vision

59:04

issues, which is a legitimate AI, is that

59:06

now? No, well,

59:08

there is a button. There is the

59:10

button where you can have it look

59:12

at the image and automatically generate a

59:15

description. So They

59:17

should just bake it in if you don't put in a

59:19

description boom that happens. Yeah. Yeah

59:22

Oh my god alt text Nazis. I can't

59:24

believe it. Well, it's 2024 Jason

59:27

and we're still dealing with them. Yeah

59:30

true so

59:32

nothing's perfect, but You

59:35

know after the twitter schism where

59:37

people went their separate ways i'm pretty

59:39

happy landing on mastodon So I think

59:42

at least for the time being until it gets ruined.

59:44

That's where i'm hanging out All

59:46

right. Yeah Um, i've

59:48

i've been playing with local, uh large

59:50

language models on my macbook pro And I

59:53

was curious if either of you had played

59:55

with this lm studio app. Are you guys

59:57

familiar with this? I'm familiar with it I

59:59

haven't tried it yet because I just haven't

1:00:01

had time. So do tell. I'm very interested in

1:00:03

your experience. So it's a free

1:00:06

open source project. It's called LM

1:00:08

Studio. And basically, it's

1:00:11

a front end that lets you load

1:00:13

in some of the various open source

1:00:17

LLMs onto your system and run them.

1:00:22

You need a powerful machine and you

1:00:24

need lots of RAM. I wish

1:00:26

I had more RAM. My MacBook Pro

1:00:28

has 16 gigs of RAM. Well, I

1:00:30

mean, for what you normally

1:00:33

do day to day, it's more than

1:00:38

enough. Exactly. Day to day operations,

1:00:40

all the audio stuff I do, there's plenty.

1:00:44

So this is the first time that I've wished

1:00:47

I had more RAM. This is also the

1:00:49

first time that I've seen all 10 processors

1:00:51

on my MacBook Pro pegged when

1:00:53

this thing is running. But

1:00:56

it's cool and it works and it's fast and

1:00:59

it does what you ask

1:01:01

it to do. There

1:01:03

is one I'll include a link.

1:01:05

There's one sample

1:01:08

library that's called Lily and

1:01:10

Lily has been trained on cybersecurity.

1:01:14

All right. Okay. And there are various models

1:01:16

that are trained on different things that you

1:01:18

might be interested in. So if

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you're like us, and you're

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a nerdy person who likes playing around with

1:01:25

things, I have to say this felt very

1:01:27

old school to me in a

1:01:29

good way. It looks that way, just from the

1:01:31

demos that are running on the site. It's a

1:01:34

very appealing old school interface. Yeah. Like you're

1:01:36

playing a text game. Like, yeah.

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Right. Right. For those of us

1:01:41

of a certain generation, it is

1:01:44

where I say when computers were fun, this

1:01:47

is a callback to that, I think, despite

1:01:50

that what ultimately what you're doing is running a

1:01:52

large language model on it. Right. So

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I'm gonna set up Lily and ask Lily if

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our phones are listening to us. There

1:02:00

you go. Please

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report back. And

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then finally, I want to include a link

1:02:08

here that the folks over at Prop Store

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have an auction coming up. So

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if you're into movie props and things, this is a

1:02:16

big one and seems like a good one. One of

1:02:18

the highlights here is Anthony

1:02:20

Daniels, who's C-3PO, is auctioning

1:02:23

off his entire collection. Wow.

1:02:26

That's so funny. Yeah, exactly.

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It's funny that all the other job offers haven't come

1:02:31

pouring in for him. I don't know why. So

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if you want a screen used

1:02:38

C-3PO, you

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can get one. And

1:02:43

you can buy Captain Picard's

1:02:46

chair from the bridge of the

1:02:49

Enterprise D. There's a

1:02:52

stormtrooper helmet from Return of the

1:02:54

Jedi. There's an Indiana

1:02:56

Jones jacket, stunt

1:02:58

person. These are

1:03:01

all screen used items.

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So if this is your thing

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and you're rich, check

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out the Prop Store auction. It's

1:03:13

a little annoying that just in

1:03:15

order to download a PDF of

1:03:17

the catalog, you have to

1:03:19

register for the auction, which includes putting

1:03:22

in your payment information. I think I call

1:03:24

foul on that. So I'm kind of on

1:03:26

the fence if I'm going to do that.

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I can't have you drop an email, but

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not a credit card. Yeah, exactly. As much

1:03:33

as I would like to look through this

1:03:35

catalog, because a lot of alien

1:03:37

stuff in here. There's a lot of

1:03:39

Back to the Future. That's my wife's favorite movie. So

1:03:41

if I were rich, I would be getting her a

1:03:44

very cool birthday present. Yeah. Yeah.

1:03:47

There's a stuff from Blade Runner. Yeah, as

1:03:49

you say, the producer's assistant script from personal

1:03:51

script from Blade Runner. That's kind of cool.

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Mm hmm. Yeah, there's a matte

1:03:56

painting from Blade Runner. There's there's

1:03:58

yeah. So I don't know. Prop

1:04:00

store folks seem to be at the top of

1:04:02

this sort of thing, and this is

1:04:04

a good one. So if that's your thing, check it out. Very

1:04:07

cool. Oh my God, they've got

1:04:09

the glaive from Kroll starting

1:04:11

at $10,000. I wish I was

1:04:13

rich. Oh,

1:04:16

I want that. Here's a draft script

1:04:18

from the breakfast club. That is pretty

1:04:21

cool. Surely

1:04:23

one of our listeners must be rich.

1:04:25

Yeah. Yes. We can,

1:04:27

we will register for our preferred items. That's

1:04:30

right. Wouldn't that be great? I

1:04:33

would like lot 193 please. Oh

1:04:37

my God. What do you think of Harry Potter stuff?

1:04:39

That's going to go for a lot of money. Very

1:04:42

cool. There are 68 pages

1:04:45

of stuff in here. This

1:04:49

is insane. Well,

1:04:52

I know what I'm doing the rest of the day. Talk

1:04:54

to you guys later. Yeah, I got

1:04:56

to get back to this. I'll see you guys. All right.

1:04:58

Good. Good. Over

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at Patreon. We've got Brian and Mason says,

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keep doing the Lord's work gentlemen. Best podcast

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in existence. Well, thank you Mason. And thank

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you Brian. And remember you too can become

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You can give us more if you want, but we'll put it

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in the free most for that three bucks. This is insane. Well,

1:05:23

I know what I'm doing the rest of the day. Talk

1:05:25

to you guys later. Yeah, I got to

1:05:27

get back to this. I'll see you guys. All right.

1:05:29

Good. I'm

1:05:31

having shout outs. Over

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at Patreon. We've got Brian and Mason says,

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keep doing the Lord's work gentlemen. Best podcast

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in existence. Well, thank you Mason. And thank

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you Brian. And remember you too can become

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You can give us more if you want, but we'll put

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Amazon. You do get

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it in high res and a little bit

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early. Could be five minutes. Could be five

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hours. It's a game. You just did. You

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take your chance. Yep. Over

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at PayPal, we've got Miles, Shari,

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Natalie, Linda, Blake, Bowling, Nathaniel, Ramsey,

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he said, I had a good chuckle when I got mentioned

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So I'm throwing the bribe your way anyways. All the best

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everybody. And over the tip

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Sean. Woohoo! All right. And we have an

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anonymous review, but it was five stars. Don't

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many TV shows and podcasts, the show just

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keeps going on with great quality. Usually after

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about 20 episodes or less, the podcast becomes

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complete crap. We did that in three.

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Been listening for seven years and still feels fresh.

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I won't stop listening until you guys do keep

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polluting the sound waves of this great podcast and

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certainly a grumpy young geek PS I'm the Zillennial

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from last year. All right.

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I don't remember. There were five books in the love earth

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series. I don't remember his little Zillennial from last year. I

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don't know what I had for breakfast. What

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am I doing? Why is there a microphone in front of

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me? Yeah, seriously, this is

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weird. Until

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