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the last episode of Guilt. So

1:10

it's her daughter, Narelle, is it? It's Narelle.

1:15

I haven't seen her for years. I

1:19

remember on the night Alana had been annoying my

1:21

boyfriend at the time, as she was

1:23

spilling wine in his car and off her face. She'd

1:27

also spent all her money on drugs.

1:29

My boyfriend and I wanted to score more drugs and

1:32

we did not want to share them with Alana, so he

1:34

was keen to leave her behind. The

1:45

family of a Melton teenager who died six years ago

1:49

are for the first time appealing for further information

1:52

about the girl's death and the status of a

1:54

coroner's finding later this month. But

1:56

she was just so happy, so bubbly, smiling

1:59

all the time. Like she was

2:01

just so much fun to be around. She was just

2:03

beautiful. If I could go back now and

2:05

know what I know now, they'd

2:08

be dead. Yeah,

2:11

I'd be in jail. And

2:13

she got stolen away from me. And

2:15

those culprits who did it, I wanna catch

2:17

them. I wanna get them. And

2:19

I know who they are. I won't

2:21

ever give up. From

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3:43

today. In

3:47

the last episode, we focused on the statements

3:50

of the St. Albans witnesses, and

3:52

more importantly, how much they differ. According

3:55

to Michael Marich, Laurel Petruchow

3:57

and Robert Kwok drove around in his car.

4:00

aimlessly for hours after leaving Alana

4:02

with another young man, Mitchell Bradgic,

4:04

at the St. Albans train station.

4:07

They dropped Kwok on Ballarat Road later that

4:09

night, and then Marich and Petrakow went back

4:11

to her home to bed. However,

4:14

when Kwok is eventually spoken to 18

4:16

months later, he tells a completely

4:18

different story. He didn't

4:20

leave with Petrakow and Marich, he says

4:22

he left on the train with his girlfriend Jackie Burns

4:24

to the city to watch a movie. And

4:27

13 years later when Jackie Burns is finally

4:29

spoken to, she said this is

4:32

simply not possible, because at that

4:34

time she hadn't seen Kwok for years. I

4:37

told you to pay attention to the dates of

4:39

these different statements in the last episode. Just

4:42

a quick reminder, Lorel Petrakow

4:44

was spoken to the day after Alana's

4:46

death, then her boyfriend, who

4:48

is clearly an important witness, has not

4:51

spoken to for another month. The

4:53

same goes for Mitchell Bradgic. During

4:55

the first week, crucial CCTV footage is

4:57

not obtained and is lost forever. It

5:01

would be a year before the ATM photo

5:03

is obtained after insistence by Alana's father. Robert

5:07

Kwok, the other St Albans witness, has not

5:09

spoken to for 18 months, and

5:11

his alibi witness, his girlfriend Jackie Burns, does

5:13

not give an official statement for 13 years. A

5:17

16-year-old girl found dead, apparently

5:19

dumped at a vacant property. The

5:22

last people known to be with her alive

5:24

provide stories with so many holes, so

5:27

many inconsistencies, and

5:29

yet it takes 13 years to get statements

5:31

from the relevant witnesses. By

5:34

the time these are all obtained for the

5:36

case review in 2009, Senior

5:38

Detective Leverage states, unfortunately

5:40

as the matter is now more than 13

5:43

years old, I believe it is

5:45

highly unlikely that we will ever be able to answer

5:47

the key questions in this case. We'll

5:51

see about that. I'm

18:00

going to say now, on that night, look,

18:04

you got it. I mean, that's what

18:06

you're going up against. In your

18:08

statement you said you drank wine from a cast, blah

18:10

blah blah, and now the autopsy is

18:12

showing that there's no alcohol. She

18:14

couldn't have any alcohol for 24 hours. How

18:16

do you explain that? Well, I wouldn't have a clue. Jeff

18:19

Hythorn came here to verify everything. She

18:22

had a can in her hands, alright. So

18:24

from here I walked. From the creek we walked up

18:26

to the bottle shop. I got her. I

18:29

booked it up. I booked up another can

18:31

and me another bottle of strongbow. I was drinking. Booked

18:33

her up another can. A can of what? A can of

18:36

vodka? Yes. A

18:38

can of vodka, and me a bottle, and

18:41

a casket wine for both of us. That afternoon?

18:44

Well, as soon as I met her, we

18:47

walked straight to the bottle shop. So what

18:49

you told me, you met her at the bridge,

18:51

right? We went from the bottle shop. We

18:53

were walking straight from there. And my

18:55

boyfriend Michael picked us up in the car. A

18:58

few weeks later, Jeff Hythorn said,

19:01

you can verify this. Let's go to the bottle shop

19:03

because I booked it up. And they

19:05

remembered me and Alana coming in. And

19:07

they remembered because I'd booked it up. The

19:09

bottle, the vodka, and the cask.

19:12

And they showed the receipt for the cask and... Who

19:15

ordered the vodka? Alana? Alana.

19:17

I said, I'd get what you're drinking because she had

19:19

the can of vodka and orange or passion fruit already

19:21

when she got off the bus. Okay,

19:24

so that's what she had. I

19:26

mean, why all

19:29

I know is that they're pretty thorough.

19:31

And look,

19:34

I'm her father. I've got

19:36

to look at this objectively. You know,

19:38

I've got no thing in this investigation. But

19:41

I've come here because I thought, you

19:43

know, you wanted to talk to

19:45

me. And look, I'm quite happy to hear

19:47

your side, but you know, it's not up to me. All

19:50

right. But you know, I've

19:52

lost my daughter. And

19:54

you know, with autopsies, it's pretty horrid. I

19:57

don't know whether you know that, but you know, they cut them

19:59

from head. He

22:00

was meeting Robert or Quok. Well, Alana

22:03

wouldn't know what she was going to say at Albans at

22:05

the time, because I reckon when she

22:07

took the money out, she wasn't using it for drugs or

22:09

alcohol, she was getting it to go to the city. You

22:12

know, when she went to the teller, do you agree with

22:14

that? Um, yeah. Because

22:17

she'd been off heroin. You

22:19

know, there was no talk of heroin at that stage, was there?

22:22

No. I mean, she's

22:26

not going to say, I'm getting this out

22:28

to get four caps or whatever bradgette claimed.

22:30

We were planning on either jumping an ACDC

22:33

concert or just going to the city

22:36

and having a few drinks for something to do. So

22:38

she... That's

22:41

why. She's... Because she'd got no money from her

22:43

mother earlier, she wouldn't have had any cash on

22:45

her, or much cash. So that's

22:47

why she got the money out. I mean, it's pretty logical.

22:50

So did she end up in

22:53

St Albans? I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Robert

22:55

Kwok. Never met him, I've

22:58

never heard of him. I don't know whether Alana's ever

23:00

heard of him. Did Alana know him? I

23:02

don't know. I don't think so. I never

23:04

really... How do you know him? Um,

23:07

Michael knew him. He was a friend of

23:09

Michael's. That's how I knew him. Oh,

23:11

that's how you knew him? I didn't. I just

23:13

knew his face. But not enough

23:15

to have a conversation with him. So

23:17

what's his story? What's he doing? I don't

23:19

know what he's got to really

23:21

do with it, because Michael just met him. Well,

23:24

he was in the car. He was with you

23:26

that night. Oh, he

23:29

was. He left his girlfriend

23:31

behind, by the way, too. He

23:33

left his so-called girlfriend behind that night. Because

23:36

you went to meet her and she's not

23:38

there. She's gone. She walks off somewhere. Who's

23:41

this? His girlfriend? Well, that's

23:43

what Michael Marich, your boyfriend, claimed in

23:45

his statement. That's what I'm saying to

23:47

you. So all these things

23:49

seem strange to the police and seem strange

23:52

to everyone else because... Why

23:54

would he have gone to meet his girlfriend to then

23:56

jump in a car and drive off? Would

23:58

you do that? Oh, I remember... carried

26:00

her to the house and took off. And

26:03

it's just for that much trouble to do

26:05

all of that they could have dumped her in the street,

26:08

rang an ambulance, dumped her

26:10

in front of a hospital or somewhere

26:12

where people would have seen her. That's

26:14

what I can't get. Well, there

26:16

is a reason, possibly. What?

26:19

That's the one they took her out? Someone

26:22

with a beef, yeah. Gave her

26:25

what? A dirty hit or something? Gave

26:28

her a... what do they call

26:30

it? A hotshot. Mm.

26:34

That's what it looks like. I can't say

26:37

that anyone would do that, because

26:39

she was so easy going. That's how

26:41

I, you know, got to be friends with her. Because

26:44

she would just talk to anyone, you know, so I don't know.

26:48

I don't think that anyone would have given her a hotshot.

26:51

But then that's the thing, I can't understand why someone

26:53

would go to all the trouble. They

26:55

could have just dumped her or put her

26:57

somewhere where someone could have seen her and took off,

27:00

called an ambulance. Here's

27:02

the original audio of this last section.

27:05

Hey, I'm... I... You know something, is

27:07

that proof? Well, I can find that.

27:09

She was already dead and she went to this

27:11

house and dumped her. I sort of

27:13

couldn't understand her and the person just... I'm

27:17

going to send my ring up an ambulance or I'm going to go to the hospital.

27:20

Maybe panic. Do you have a photo? Yeah,

27:22

just as they ring up an ambulance and

27:24

pipe off. I

27:28

mean, I kind of just don't know why they tried to

27:30

run around the mountain, carried

27:32

into the house and did that. When they said

27:34

that, you know, for that much trouble to do with

27:37

that, they could have dumped her in a

27:39

straight ring of an ambulance or dumped her in front of

27:41

her. That's something I would have hoped for her to say

27:43

now. That's what I can't get. There

27:46

is a reason, I suppose. Not

27:48

that someone meant to do it. Someone

27:51

meant to do it, yeah. They

27:54

were what I'd already said or something. They

27:56

were what I called. I...

28:00

I don't know. I don't know what I was sort

28:02

of being. Am I a chump? Not sure. That's

28:04

what it looks like. I can't say that. You

28:06

know, like, that's what she was saying. She's that

28:08

easy guy that went, you know, I got

28:10

to be friends with her first because she

28:12

was just not type to anyone, you know?

28:15

So, I don't know. I think

28:17

anyone would have given her a lot of shots. But

28:19

then, just let this thing off, understand why they didn't

28:22

wear like a tripod. Like, who would have just dumped

28:24

it or went, probably if I made it where someone

28:26

could have seen it, put that, put it in the

28:28

bag. It depends on who she was with.

28:31

I mean, there's, look, like I said,

28:33

they've identified people who may have been with

28:35

her. There's been a

28:38

statement forwarded and I'm

28:40

not allowed to say too much, but, you know, look,

28:44

I'm not hiding it. I need to find out the truth too.

28:47

And there's also the fact that

28:49

there could be, you know, it's,

28:52

you know, it's unfortunate that her

28:55

clothing may have been, you

28:57

know, like misconstrued and, you know,

29:00

in fact it was. In

29:02

other words, you know, the bottom half

29:04

wasn't in the right place or something. The

29:08

what? The bottom half? What

29:11

was that I didn't? Oh,

29:13

well, I really, I can't. I'm

29:15

not allowed to speak, but do you,

29:18

you know, do you get my gist? There was,

29:21

there was more than just, you

29:23

know, there might have been good reasons for it. And in

29:26

other words, that she was, you

29:29

know, there may have been ulterior motives down

29:31

there. Oh, something

29:34

happened? Well, apparently

29:36

they've got proof. Yeah,

29:39

I don't want to go into that. Something,

29:42

what, rape or can

29:44

they tell it it's rape or? Yeah,

29:47

well, I'm not allowed to speak about

29:49

it, Larelle. I'm not allowed to. I've

29:51

probably told your fear, but already, and I'm just saying

29:53

that all I know is that they've

29:56

got it, the homicide people and, you know, they're

29:58

closing the net. They're trying to

30:00

get it. get everybody and they're going overboard

30:02

and, you know, Jeff, he's only the investigating

30:04

officer but, you know, the homicide people,

30:06

they're hopefully going to get to the bottom of it. At

30:10

this point in the conversation, my heart really

30:12

goes out to Peter. He's

30:14

bluffing Laurel here, saying that

30:16

the homicide people are closing the net, hoping

30:19

to put pressure on her. The

30:22

sad truth is that homicide never

30:24

seriously considered Alana's case and

30:26

it remained in the hands of Jeff Ithorn. What

30:29

we're hearing is a desperate father

30:32

trying to advance this case himself on

30:34

the street, chasing witnesses in the

30:37

hope of a breakthrough because the

30:39

reality of the police investigation was that

30:41

very little had happened since Alana's death.

30:45

At this point, a woman comes to the

30:47

door, likely wondering what's going

30:49

on. It's Laurel's mother.

30:52

Laurel tells her this is Alana's

30:54

father and says, do you know what I'm talking about?

30:58

Her mother, who was Polish with a strong

31:00

accent, is clearly angry at Laurel

31:02

and the whole situation with

31:04

drugs and what she's up to and

31:07

starts to rant. It's unfortunate

31:09

that I do my way on Miskins

31:11

Street and in fact it was, in other words, the

31:13

bottom half going in the right places. The

31:16

bottom half, what was that?

31:19

I don't understand that. I

31:21

really can't. I'm the last person to get my

31:24

gist. It was more than

31:26

just, it might have been

31:32

quite good reasons for it.

31:35

In other words, it

31:37

may have been other bacteria mottings. I

31:40

can't help it. Oh

31:43

no, oh no, something happened. Well,

31:46

something happened. It's got to be

31:48

approved. How

31:50

long are we going to go? Something,

31:54

what, right there, can

31:56

I tell if it's right or? Um, yeah,

31:58

oh. I probably have a

32:00

fair bit already. I'm

32:05

just saying that. That is it.

32:08

They've got it. I'll just buy a pickle and

32:10

they close in the net and they try. They really

32:12

got over it. I mean, it said,

32:14

you know, he's only an

32:16

EVPA officer. I'll just buy a pickle. I

32:20

thought he would just go and do it. Do you remember Alamo?

32:23

Remember? That's what he said. Remember

32:26

Alamo? Yes. I

32:28

put the... What's the radar? No. I

32:31

put the ad... You feel that? With

32:34

everything, I mean. It's really

32:36

hurt me. I had to get

32:38

up and bring up his daughter. You see,

32:40

I have your own fixer. They're all rubbish

32:42

like that. Very well,

32:45

my daughter was staying. She

32:47

was staying for a couple of pills and I

32:49

thought she was getting the best she's ever been.

32:51

What are you talking about? She

32:54

was sleeping in a dongle. What are

32:56

you doing here? She got down to the

32:58

mother she is? Huh? I

33:02

think she bloody dogs. Yeah, it's

33:04

a bad culture, I mean. You don't know who

33:06

you're mixing with. Alana didn't know who

33:08

she was mixing with. You guys, you know, you

33:10

don't give up on him. I didn't give

33:12

up on my daughter. Lorel's mother

33:14

then angrily says something about Michael Marich

33:17

coming around and Peter's ears prick.

33:20

Because as it turns out, Marich had

33:22

left Australia for Croatia. Marich? I

33:26

thought you weren't going with Marich. He went

33:28

to Croatia. How long has he gone for?

33:31

He was going for three months so he should

33:33

be back soon. So he was on drugs too,

33:35

was he? I didn't know that. What's

33:38

he on? Pills. Too

33:40

much of him. Yeah, I don't know. He'll

33:43

try anything once. Shit, well...

33:47

I thought he might have been good for you. You

33:49

know, that's a shame Lorel. You need

33:51

someone stable in your life, you know? No, I

33:53

don't need anyone, you know. I just need

33:55

my daughter. chatting

34:00

away, oftentimes making the conversation

34:02

impossible to make out. Conversation

34:06

then moves to someone who Lorel says was

34:08

apparently Alana's boyfriend at the time, an

34:11

Asian man who went by the street name Michael,

34:13

not his real name. As

34:16

Peter starts to say thank you and good luck, Lorel

34:19

tells Peter that now that she has a daughter

34:21

herself, she can't imagine what it would

34:23

be like for him to lose Alana. Well,

34:26

good luck Lorel. Good luck. My

34:30

mother said, look, I can understand Alana's father's

34:32

point of view. You've got

34:34

a daughter yourself. Imagine if something happened

34:36

to her. He's as far as we

34:38

know. He's with the last ones to be with

34:41

her. You were supposed to be like

34:43

going out with her that night. And then the

34:45

next day, we went to

34:47

the market and we got caught pinching stuff. And

34:50

I was at the police station and I

34:52

was there for hours. So I rang up my mum and

34:54

my mum told me over the phone and I just

34:57

went hysterical. I went crazy. I couldn't even make

34:59

a statement. They said to

35:01

me, I'll come back next week to make a

35:03

statement. Do you know, you

35:05

tried to ring Alana that day because you

35:07

rang my place because we got a strange

35:09

message. Well, not a strange message, but

35:12

you know, I think you said in your statement

35:14

anyways. Yeah, she already rang me

35:16

the day before and said, I'll come down.

35:19

And I said, I'll come down tomorrow because I

35:21

was doing something, something. And I said,

35:23

I'll ring you from there. So she

35:25

jumps on a bus and comes down

35:28

and I'll be just an

35:30

old meter, you know. So I just ring

35:32

her from my friends and say, jump on the bus now and

35:35

I'll meet you at the bridge. And I sat

35:37

down there in there and I was there

35:39

for about 10 minutes and the bus went

35:41

past and she was coming down. She

35:43

was safe. She was, you know, it's hard to

35:45

imagine she had beef with anyone. Sam

35:49

Stewart, that thing happened. She told me she

35:52

put a knife to her throat. But I

35:54

know what Sam Stewart's like. She's fucked in the head and

35:57

I've never hanged around with her. away

36:00

from home and said she was

36:02

in Footscrew. The other

36:04

day she said I was staying at the

36:06

bus stop and next thing she knew

36:08

she woke up in a caravan or something and

36:11

I said oh god Alana watch out you know you

36:13

don't know who you're with or what's going to happen to you and

36:16

she just I don't know she's always out for

36:18

a good time you know. Yeah it

36:20

just seems out of her character. That's

36:23

what the pills do to you. How

36:25

many did you have that night do you know? She

36:28

told me that she had more in the bus. I'd

36:30

never seen them before in my life. I said

36:32

what do they do to you and she said and

36:35

I think she said she got them from some girl at

36:37

the caravan park. From

36:39

our dear West City caravan. You

36:41

know that Rose McLaren I think her name is um

36:45

she come here and she said oh you know when

36:47

she found out let's go visit to

36:49

where Sam Stuart leaps because you know how she put

36:52

the knife to her throat. So

36:54

I took her and we went to the caravan park and a

36:56

couple of days after we speak to this girl and

37:00

she said I spoke to the Stuart's Asian boyfriend a

37:03

couple of days ago and so. Vofoy

37:05

on. He's not a mate

37:07

of Robert Quach's is he? Robert Quach would

37:10

he know Sam Stuart? Yeah

37:12

he would because Sam was staying in St Albans

37:14

all the time and so did he. So

37:16

they would know each other? Yeah they would for sure.

37:19

I wonder if Robert hung around the caravan park.

37:21

I'm not sure. I just

37:23

always used to see him in St Albans all

37:26

the time. So you know that guy that was

37:28

Sam's boyfriend? I never met him to talk

37:30

to him. I see Sam with

37:32

all different Asian guys all the time. Has

37:34

she got another one now? Yeah people

37:38

said it was me because I look like Sam and

37:40

they thought that I had had a knife to her throat.

37:43

I think it was that guy that works in

37:46

the butchers that Rose knows in Sunshine that said

37:48

it. So who's there? Rick

37:50

yeah I don't know about him.

37:53

He's just a friend of Rose's. I

37:55

don't know. Then Rose come up to me

37:57

one day and said I thought you're the one

37:59

that seems

46:00

friendly. He's shirtless and

46:02

covered in tattoos and is

46:04

apparently recently missing his teeth, but

46:07

I never judge a book by its cover. As

46:10

he starts to speak to me another man

46:13

behind him eyes me and

46:15

I can tell he's not so happy with his

46:17

friends speaking so openly. What's

46:19

going on? he asks. She

46:23

wakes up and just everything is gone. What's going

46:25

on? I'm

46:27

not local, I'm from New Zealand. I'm

46:30

here working on this case. There was a girl... I'm

46:33

a girl that I'm guilty of. Were

46:35

you around here back in 96, Sunshine, St

46:38

Albans area? We had a

46:40

house for a reason guy. I've been with

46:42

my grandmother for four years, but I come here

46:44

three photos a week. Because I don't know anyone

46:46

on purpose. I live here. It's

46:50

all good. There was a girl back then, a

46:52

16 year old girl, she died of a heroin

46:54

overdose. She

46:57

was last seen in St Albans. There

47:03

was a girl that knew her called Rose

47:05

Pierson-Tina. Have you heard of her Rose? Tina

47:08

and Tim? No,

47:10

not Tim and Tina. But

47:13

I know another Tina. Rose, Rose

47:15

was her name. Another girl, Norell

47:17

Petrichal. Norell? Did

47:20

she go out with Mark McDonald

47:23

who just died? I'm

47:25

not sure. There's a few Norells

47:27

around. Norells, Norells. Do you

47:30

know a Rose? Rose has done nothing wrong. I'm

47:33

41. I

47:35

knew in Norell she'd be near Mulhall Drive and

47:37

Marisa down there. Oh, okay. No,

47:40

I don't think so. No. She

47:43

had a certain group, you know. I

47:45

know about the murders that happened here, you

47:47

know what I mean? Like Brian Bottom and shit

47:49

like that. What about if... did you know a Greek

47:51

guy? Theo Kumis?

47:55

Yeah, yeah. Yeah,

47:57

yeah. Sammy?

54:00

the unlikeliest places. However,

54:03

on this occasion there are no hits on

54:05

a Lorel, Norel or Rose. But

54:08

when I said the name Kumis, that

54:11

elicited an immediate reaction. I

54:15

don't believe these guys know anything about Alana's death.

54:18

Other deaths? Sure. But

54:21

one thing they've learned in their time on the streets is

54:25

that if you want to stay alive, you

54:27

keep your mouth shut. 4th

54:47

March 1993 DML.

54:51

Is Craig working in a bakery? That's funny.

54:53

I just couldn't imagine him working

54:55

in a bakery. It just doesn't

54:57

suit his style. Nah, I'm

54:59

a free woman. I don't want a relationship at

55:02

the moment. Nah,

55:04

Bricks not into girlfriends yet. He says he

55:06

isn't gonna get married. Has Brett got

55:08

a girlfriend yet? I heard

55:10

about the bastards getting Darren. I feel so

55:12

sorry for him. Yeah,

55:14

I'm off to high school. I've got my uniform and

55:16

I've just been up the street and bought a new

55:19

bag, which was $40. It's

55:21

a ripcar one. I'm still

55:23

playing netball. Our team won the grand

55:25

final last season. I got best

55:28

and fairest and best on court in the

55:30

prelim trophies, so we go up to b

55:32

grade. It's good to hear

55:34

you're winning all your netball games. I've

55:36

seen you on a video playing netball. You're a

55:38

bloody good player. Okay, I have

55:40

to go. Right back soon. Love

55:42

you Kaz, Alana. All

55:46

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55:48

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55:50

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56:00

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56:02

persons named are presumed innocent unless proven otherwise in

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