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1:01

18plusscamblerware.org. Not

1:27

that Welsh. What are you here? Robin,

1:29

not that Welsh Morgan. He

1:33

identifies as well, she said. You

1:36

know, fair enough. He's a lovely bloke. There

1:38

was a Twitter poll today after

1:40

an incident involving Andy. So we'll bring you the

1:42

setup and they knew more of that as well

1:44

today. And we had a bit of a chat.

1:46

We covered some ground. We did quite

1:49

a lot of ground, really. So we'll bring you some

1:51

of the best bits of that. And Tom Macklin was on

1:53

good form today. We had some interesting

1:55

stories from the world of Americans, including

1:57

a fascinating sports chat.

2:00

in the presidential debate between Joe Biden... Incredible.

2:02

...and Donald Trump. So you'll hear that as

2:04

well. Here it all is. ["The

2:25

Okay. You've

2:30

had a fall? SayoKai?

2:54

Normally. So I sort of looked up and

2:56

thought, well, are they locked? And I missed

2:58

this bit of raised ground. I went absolutely

3:01

flying. Really? Yeah. Landed on my arm, my

3:03

hand, my shoulder. I can't. Landed on the

3:05

shoulder? I think I've done my rotator cuff.

3:07

I can't lift my, I can't lift this

3:10

arm up at all. Okay. Well, it hurts

3:12

when I do that. We'll stop doing it

3:14

then. There you go. People

3:18

on social media. So they were the circumstances

3:21

of it. You're walking towards a churchyard. Your

3:23

eye was taken off of it. Yeah. You

3:25

caught a raised curb. Yeah. And you went

3:27

over. Yeah. You weren't... I went flying. And

3:29

I quit. It was a... You

3:31

were walking very quickly. I was. Yeah. Because I

3:33

was rushing to get to this meeting. So it

3:36

was fast as my... So the

3:38

question is, you've heard the circumstances. Did

3:40

Andy fall over? Or did

3:42

he have a fall? We

3:45

already know what the answers can say. No, no, not

3:47

at all. Now you... We'll make a

3:50

decision by two o'clock. We'll wind this up at two.

3:52

We want to make a solid dance of it. We're

3:54

going to hang out for three hours. So

3:56

we'll set it up very quickly. We'll have a Twitter

3:59

poll within the next... 10 minutes and

4:01

you've heard the circumstances did Andy fall over or

4:03

did he have a fall? I fell over last

4:05

week running Andy I was telling you that was

4:07

nice. Same sort of thing scabbed up I'd

4:10

like to think I fell over maybe but

4:12

we're not putting that to a Twitter part.

4:14

You're on your own on that. You were

4:17

walking. And Andy Gordon though. Amazing with his

4:19

shoulder. How much you use your shoulder you'd

4:21

be amazed. Yeah. Well at last time you

4:23

had shoulder issues

4:25

you went to a physio

4:28

and you discovered that she

4:30

also did equine physio. Worked on

4:32

quite a lot of horses and

4:36

one of the horses she worked on was

4:38

Toy Town. She was an equestrian horse

4:40

which was ridden by Zara

4:42

Phillips in Zara Tindall. Yeah of

4:44

course. And Andy

4:47

and I did an outside broadcast and

4:51

Zara was there and

4:54

she came over and she said hello nice to meet

4:56

you and Andy said nice to meet you too. Funny

4:58

enough I share a physio with

5:00

your horse. She said

5:02

your fat locks are looking good. That's right. Whenever

5:05

Andy went there you have to get on all

5:07

fours. It's an old Tony Hancock and Kenneth Williams

5:09

sketch. It's the only way you could tell

5:11

where anything was. It's true. So

5:13

I don't know where that leaves us. The reason

5:15

I brought it up Anthony Gordon and all that

5:17

was because you probably see him on the front.

5:19

He's got a little beat-neck beard. Look at that.

5:22

Looks like he's been listening to a lot of jazz. He's

5:25

got a bit of a scabby chin

5:27

Anthony because he came off. I

5:30

think it was either you or me or

5:32

you and Charlie chatting about the other day.

5:34

They told they're going out on electric bikes

5:36

in their downtime because there's always a danger

5:39

this can happen. And

5:41

sure enough I mean he's okay apparently all that

5:43

Esri can't say what was hilarious. Quite a lot

5:45

of the blazzled. It's quite funny. He's okay. He's

5:47

done his knees, done his hands. He's grazed his

5:49

knee. He's not like you. He'll just get up

5:51

and get on with it. So

5:53

bloody chin, grazed hands, scuffed knee. He's got a

5:56

little plaster on his knee. Did he cry? Do

5:58

you think he cried? I don't

6:00

think so. Did he run to Gareth when he

6:02

did it? I don't think he did. He's still

6:04

quite young. But, yeah,

6:06

we're interested today. Ill-timed activities. Maybe

6:08

you're off to it. Maybe it was like

6:10

the day before your wedding day or something

6:12

and you turned up with the Anthony Gordon

6:15

Beatnik beard. But an ill-timed activity,

6:17

looking back, you think, maybe I shouldn't have done

6:19

that so close to the big event. You

6:22

can let us know whether it was a sporting

6:25

one or otherwise. 0371722, 3-4, talk-sport.com,/h-n-j text-to-8-1089,

6:30

you can tweet to tsh-h-n-j,

6:33

that's t-s-h-a-n-d, January. Shortly you'll

6:35

be able to vote on

6:37

whether Andy yesterday fell

6:39

over or had a fall.

6:41

That's it. That's it. It's there.

6:44

I'm going to see. Let's see what it says.

6:47

After Andy's unfortunate slip in the churchyard, did

6:49

Andy fall over or have a fall? I'm

6:51

going to vote now. How'd

6:54

they fall? How'd they fall? 100% at the

6:56

moment. I told you the other day,

6:58

even when I was in my late 40s when we first started

7:00

this show, it used to make it as

7:02

I go about 100 and I'd forget the

7:04

milk and all this stuff. Yeah, that's right. Pizza

7:07

menus all outside the front door, we'd get

7:09

worried about you. Anyway, can I just say,

7:12

what a disaster of a tournament. The pitches,

7:14

the weather, the format, could

7:16

be the Euros or the T20 World Cup. Yeah,

7:19

T20 World Cup. It

7:21

wasn't great, was it? It wasn't great, no. They are

7:23

very good, though, aren't they? I know, but I said

7:25

it would have been better off if it rained. Yes.

7:29

It would have been fairer. Honestly, I don't know.

7:31

Was that a drop-in pitch from Chennai? Did they

7:33

bring it over? It's incredible.

7:37

I'm surprised they haven't moved the final to Mumbai. I'm

7:39

not bitter or anything. No, they don't sound bitter, Andy.

7:41

I think you've taken it. Like

7:43

Andy Gordon, you've taken it on the chin.

7:45

I think you're harsher gloatly. I love harsher

7:47

boogies. They're great commentators, but... You've

7:50

got a real Indian bias and they were so

7:52

rubbing it in, and you're like, all right. They're

7:56

so brilliant. They don't even need everything in their

7:58

favour the way they look. the

8:01

finals tomorrow against South Africa you'd expect India

8:05

to win. Honestly but, we're talking about

8:07

Mike Gattie. The ball was turning square,

8:09

we had three spinners as they did,

8:11

but we didn't bowl Moan Ali at

8:13

all. Then after we went, perhaps I

8:15

should have given Moan Ali a bowl.

8:18

For goodness sake mate. There could be changes. Mike

8:20

Gattie, the former England captain, is going to join

8:22

us a little bit later on. We'll be chatting

8:24

about that. There is some talk of change

8:27

of coach, change of captain and maybe

8:29

a few players calling it a day.

8:31

Could have been the last we've seen

8:34

of possibly Johnny Bearstow.

8:36

Yeah, Moan Ali, Bearstow. The Adir

8:46

22% of them at the moment think you

8:48

fell over, you didn't have a fall. That's

8:50

good. Well that's good news. So your acolytes

8:52

are out in force. Oh fine. The Hawksby

8:54

and Jacobs Daily Podcast. Now we've not had

8:57

a chance to get a Welsh perspective on

8:59

these Euros because Dave Edwards joined us a

9:01

little while ago. He was good enough to

9:03

do that, but generally they've kept their distance.

9:05

We haven't heard much from our own Dean Saunders

9:07

really. And I mean, you're not at the party.

9:09

It doesn't feel right. It's true. But I'm going

9:11

to put that right now because we have a

9:13

Cardiff Sydney and Wales fan with us. Comedian Robin

9:15

Morgan, who is touring later this

9:17

year. Robin, good to see you. Hey, OK. Let's

9:20

talk about the tour first. It's

9:23

a beast, isn't it? Fair for you, don't you guys? Yes,

9:25

it's my biggest one. It's like 35 dates

9:27

or so, which is like, yeah, very, very happy

9:29

to be doing it. It's exciting. I did one

9:32

last year, 18 months ago, and this feels like

9:34

a step up. So yeah, excited to get back

9:36

around the country. Yeah, it's called The Spark. Yeah. It's

9:38

a bit about it. So the previous

9:40

shows I've done have been about getting engaged, getting married,

9:42

having kids, having a vasectomy and then getting it right.

9:44

So I feel like, and people are coming back now,

9:46

I feel like just to hear the latest chapter. So

9:48

the opening joke in the show is about, is it

9:50

about getting divorced? No, it's not about getting divorced. It's

9:52

about how to sort of keep the spark alive. But I

9:54

think it's in yourself as well, a little bit. I've been

9:57

trying to look after myself a bit this year. Did you

9:59

get a whole hour? out of the vasectomy? Oh

10:01

I mean 20 minutes I'll say yeah yeah yeah

10:03

I think a proper bloke. Remembering

10:06

back to mine as long as it takes.

10:08

Yeah yeah it's amazing I've chatted to a

10:10

lot of blokes in the audience and it's

10:12

amazing how many people have had them but

10:14

obviously don't you know want to you know

10:16

admit to it. Don't wear a badge. Yeah

10:19

yeah exactly it's great but now I can

10:21

park wherever I want it's great it's great.

10:23

So people have seen you on stuff like

10:25

Bot Will Week you've done the news quiz

10:27

on radio and stuff so what was your

10:29

what was your route in how long have you been

10:31

doing stand up? So I've been doing stand up like 14

10:33

years like professionally for 10 so I used to so I

10:35

live in Cardiff but I used to work behind the bar

10:38

of a comedy club when I turned 18 and

10:40

like proper comedy nerd saw Charlie

10:42

Baker there like a mutual friend. All the

10:44

greats. The great man Charlie

10:46

Baker and then sort of met somebody there who was

10:48

doing kind of open mic comedy and like the back

10:51

of a pub and then sort of smuggled myself in

10:53

and then yeah never looked back. I see you've done

10:55

warm up for the Graham Norton show and what do

10:57

you think about that? You must have done a good

10:59

job because that audience are always so hyped up when

11:01

Graham comes on. Well this is the thing I don't

11:04

think you'd need to do it necessarily a good job

11:06

because they're already at 99% because they're like we're gonna

11:08

see Will Smith and then you just have to sort

11:10

of like get them to 100 but I

11:13

think it's one of the easiest jobs in the

11:15

world to do although during Covid they still recorded

11:17

it in the studios and they still had a

11:19

warm up so I came into London

11:21

to do it but the audience were all on

11:23

Zoom so I had to do joke

11:25

like get those audience on a Zoom screen warmed

11:27

up but I couldn't hear their laughter so

11:30

it just sounded like I was just dying on

11:32

my whole as like celebrities were next to me

11:34

it was horrible but usually it's a nice job.

11:38

And you said you're a dad and you're a

11:40

lad seven and he's a Cardiff City fan. Yeah

11:42

yeah. Well that's good though it's good he supports

11:44

the local club. Totally yeah I think if you

11:46

asked him direct he would say Liverpool but I

11:48

think I've been dragging him to the stadium as

11:50

much as possible but I've started he plays under

11:52

sevens football as well so I'm one of his

11:55

coaches for that as well so it feels like

11:57

it's yeah football he would do everything in his

11:59

life as football. related and it's not been forced

12:01

on him which is a delight because it feels like I

12:03

can just be smug and sort of go like I know

12:05

I'd like to go to the game and I'm being a

12:07

good father but I just feel like I was at it.

12:09

What sort of coach are you then to him? Are you

12:12

tougher on him than the others or does he always start?

12:14

No, it's so hard. You don't want to be that guy,

12:16

right? I feel like inevitably I'm going to be a little

12:18

bit tougher on it but I'm very equal

12:21

game time for all, one of those ones, you know? So it's

12:24

hard to sort of step him off but he's a... It's

12:27

a big sporting city, Cardiff, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've

12:29

got that lovely cricket ground there. Yeah, yeah, totally.

12:31

He's in dream world. We went on

12:33

holiday to Centre Parks in January

12:35

and it's just one of the darts was on and

12:37

he's never seen darts before but we were in a

12:39

sports bar one evening and he was just completely enthralled

12:42

by it. Just one of those people that any...

12:44

You want to get him onto the darts? Yeah,

12:46

I'll make him mad. You can retire. He can

12:48

retire. He can retire when he's 16. And isn't

12:51

that the dream, right? Yeah, absolutely. Only

12:53

nine more years to go. So

12:57

Cardiff City, you get there when you can, often

12:59

you're gigging and stuff but how are

13:02

you feeling about life as a Cardiff fan? You know what,

13:04

I feel hopeful. I'm glad that we got Errol Bullitt to

13:06

stay. I feel like it's been the first season in a

13:09

while that we've had a manager for consecutive

13:11

seasons and we're no longer going to transfer Embargoes

13:13

so it feels... I mean, we haven't had any

13:15

signings yet this season but yeah, if Ramsey can

13:17

stay fair and he can't play two games a

13:19

week but I mean, there's moments of brilliance that

13:21

he can still do for us. But

13:24

yeah, I'm hopeful. I feel like, you

13:26

know, I think we

13:28

might challenge for the playoffs with a

13:30

couple of good... We just need a striker. We haven't had

13:32

a 20-goaler season striker since Kiefer Moore so I think he

13:34

needs to get one of those. It's no missal with. They

13:37

haven't brought Vahrin, have they, in the championship? No,

13:39

they haven't. So it's still fun to watch. Yeah,

13:41

absolutely, yeah. They didn't want it, I think, didn't

13:44

they? Interesting, that's them.

13:46

Until one of them gets sawn off when the

13:48

manager immediately says, oh, we've got to

13:50

have Vahrin to disgrace, we haven't got him. And from

13:52

a Euros point of view, Robin, you were just telling

13:54

us off here that it's been a bit bittersweet

13:56

because Wales have been at the table

13:58

a few times. and so it's hard

14:00

when you're not I guess these days. Yeah, and I

14:03

think we should have been, you know, like losing to

14:05

Armenia and then, you know, play, you know, penalty in

14:07

the playoff final shoot against Poland. I had all those

14:09

Poland games in my diary assuming it was going to

14:11

be Wales once, you know, so I was sort of

14:14

watching like, it should have been us drawing against France.

14:16

I don't know. I think it's, yeah,

14:19

it's obviously a shame, but weird to sort of watch it

14:21

as a neutral now. I'm sort

14:23

of like, yeah, still watching them all. I don't

14:25

know what you guys have been doing the last

14:27

two days with no 2pm games. I feel bereft

14:29

since being a horrid. It's a bit weird, you just

14:31

get into that pattern, don't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

14:33

At least a couple of games a day and

14:35

they're not having one yesterday. Absolutely awful. Very

14:38

very strange. So what

14:40

are your feelings towards England? You probably gig here a

14:42

lot. Yeah, yeah, it's probably better than outside. Yeah, it's

14:44

probably safer. Well, you want to sell tickets for the

14:46

gig. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Probably to a massive England fan

14:48

and wants to see him do well. Do you remember

14:50

when you were born in England? When you were born

14:52

in England, you were no Welsh accent. I know, weird,

14:54

right? So I was born in Brighton, but then I

14:57

moved to Wales when I was a baby. My dad's

14:59

like proper Welsh. So I identify as Welsh, but

15:01

I've got, I'm in his sweepstake and I've got

15:03

England. So if

15:05

you do end up winning, then at least they'll get

15:07

20 quid. You'll make

15:09

some money. Yeah, exactly. Fantastic. So

15:12

tickets are on sale now. You're going to do a

15:14

couple of dates in Edinburgh first, is that right? Yeah,

15:16

so they're kind of doing the Fringe Festival for three

15:18

days, which is the correct amount of time to do

15:20

the Fringe Festival. Very much so. Yeah,

15:23

that starts in August and then kicks off

15:25

proper first weekend in September. Fantastic. You've got

15:27

an air fryer. I've got an air fryer,

15:29

thank you. Well, no, because it's... Where did that

15:31

come from? It seems to feature quite a lot in

15:33

the public. Yeah, I bring it with me. It's on

15:35

the desk. So at least a couple of... Oh, you've

15:37

obviously got an air fryer. He's doing well. He doesn't

15:39

make him an outlier, does he? He doesn't, but people

15:41

are obsessed with these things. It's a cult. When I

15:43

was on TikTok, I mean, the whole thing was air

15:45

fryers. It's mad, isn't it? What you can do in

15:47

an air fryer. Yeah, and if you haven't got one,

15:49

there are kitchen appliances that you put on the worktop

15:51

you say is slightly faster than an oven, which you

15:53

no longer use and take. You

15:57

want to close in there? Who knows? That's

15:59

good. That would sound on the

16:01

face of it, Andy. Possibly the most random question you've

16:03

ever asked on this show.

16:05

Oh, well. And just tell us a

16:08

little bit more. I mean, I'm hiding behind my injury.

16:10

I think you are, yeah. Well,

16:12

did he fall over or did he have a fall? Maybe Robin

16:14

should stay on air with us as we

16:16

reveal the final score. Let's go and check it out.

16:18

And there we go to Twitter. We've asked you this afternoon

16:21

when Andy stacked it in the graveyard

16:23

yesterday. And gummy shot. It's a complex

16:26

to do it. I've got to go just straight there. Yeah, you

16:28

say that. Your hand looks like a

16:30

balloon full of water. Like it looks like a

16:32

marigold that you put water in a marigold glove.

16:34

It's going a bit blue as well. That's

16:37

going to go like a proper orangey brown Nans bruise

16:39

that is. Yeah, it's a lovely element of that. So,

16:41

did Andy fall over or did he have a fall?

16:43

The nation has spoken. And here we are. 662 people

16:45

bothered doing this. Thank

16:49

you very much. I'd say that's a lot.

16:51

I would. After Andy's unfortunate slip

16:53

in the churchyard, did Andy fall over or did he

16:55

have a fall? 70%

16:57

of the nation say, oh, he

16:59

had a fall. That's a landslide, isn't it?

17:03

It is really. 30%

17:05

though, many of your followers and friends, they

17:07

felt he fell over Andy. Well, that's very

17:09

sweet. So it's official. What can

17:12

you do? You had a fall. Thanks. Robin,

17:14

where can people find out all the dates

17:16

and you're on, I can see it. robinjmorgan.co.uk.

17:19

That's the one, yeah, online, yeah, I'm on all the socials, that

17:21

kind of stuff. But yeah, the tickets are on the sale there.

17:23

Come along. Brilliant. Lovely to

17:26

see you. Thank you very

17:28

much. The Hawksby and Jacobs Daily Podcast. You've

17:30

been to Bratislav, Randy? No. I

17:32

went a little while ago for a mate's 50th and it's

17:34

like a sort of Prague used to be,

17:36

like a mini Prague. Okay. It's

17:39

got that sort of vibe to it and

17:41

you're well placed. If you ever go there,

17:43

if you at least think about going there, you're

17:45

less than an hour from Vienna on the train. So you can

17:48

do a bit of a two center. I

17:50

feel like Simon's order. So that's a good place to fall over.

17:52

It does, it's a perfect place to fall. There

17:55

are quite a lot of cobbles there, Andy. I mentioned you spend most

17:57

of your time flat on your face. So,

18:00

yeah, it's a good spot. We'll be

18:02

chatting about that later on. Now, there's

18:04

a headline in the paper today. It

18:06

says Gareth Clueless. Gareth Southgate has been

18:08

dubbed Clueless by one of Germany's 2014

18:10

world champions. And

18:14

this is Christoph Kramer, 33. But

18:17

this is what he says. Southgate can't have a

18:19

plan because he lets the game play out. As

18:21

a trainer, you usually have a clear idea. He

18:23

doesn't do that at all. I find it so

18:25

funny. Oh, yeah, great. He simply lets this world

18:28

class team play. It doesn't matter who plays the

18:30

game, we sometimes feel sorry for them. Not

18:33

one word of Clueless. Where do they get

18:35

that from? They've only

18:37

got subbed out. Yes, I mean, it

18:39

wasn't particularly complimentary, though, Andy. No, not

18:41

complimentary. Clueless wasn't in there. Not Clueless.

18:44

You're slightly clutching at straws. It wasn't

18:46

sort of broadly optimistic, was

18:48

it? I'm getting behind the lads. You've got to. Is

18:50

this the new thing? Get behind the lads. Oh, yeah,

18:52

all the papers are doing that. Let's get rid of

18:54

all the negativity. Well, actually, why

18:57

not? And the stars, Gerry Lawton, who's very good at turning

18:59

up these stories, he seems to have run out of them,

19:01

though, because he's now got a story

19:03

saying England's iconic three-lines anthem has been nicked

19:05

by the Germans. I mean, how many times

19:07

have you done that story, Gerry? We

19:10

know they all see it and it made their

19:12

charts. It did. Casserys

19:14

Michael was talking about this round of 16. And

19:19

he says, I don't think the adrenaline levels could get

19:21

any higher than they were in the last 10 minutes

19:23

against Serbia. Football has got to a stage into a

19:25

level where everybody is so good. Hello. Teams

19:28

are crazy fit. Well, that's

19:31

much evidence of that on the other. Oh,

19:33

yeah. Crazy knackered. So

19:35

well organised. Every team has a very clear idea

19:37

of how they want to play. Obviously

19:40

not been watching our games. It's just making the

19:42

games very tactical and very difficult because teams are

19:45

defending so well. Now, I'm being facetious. He does

19:47

have a point. And that is, you know, teams

19:49

are very hard to break down. Teams are very

19:51

tactical. Five subs. Yeah, five subs makes a big

19:53

difference, doesn't it? There are all sorts of reasons

19:56

why these are getting tighter and

19:58

tighter. I mean, listen... I think

20:00

the Christophe Terre talking about Belgium there and that sort

20:02

of disconnect between what the fans expect. They look at

20:04

that, they look at the quality of the players they

20:06

have. That's gone on for a long time though. Yeah,

20:08

because that's that frustration. Looking at players and saying,

20:11

we know you can play better than this. Why

20:13

aren't you playing better than this? And all the

20:15

players and the coach are thinking, we've

20:17

qualified. It's all about qualifying. None of that matters. Do

20:19

you think any of the Man City players are actually

20:21

playing well? It's hard to think.

20:23

The phone has not been bad. He's better

20:25

in that game. Yeah, definitely. And

20:28

did you see Fred Seriats from First Dates? Yeah.

20:30

They will be at the part of the BBC.

20:32

Kenji's been playing quite well. So you got me

20:34

at it now, hasn't he? Not been too, been

20:36

through badly. Yeah, it's easy with defensive players. OK.

20:39

BBC's Olympic coverage. Oh, Fred, he'll be doing

20:41

it. Oh, yes. He can start a First

20:43

Dates restaurant in the Olympic village. I know

20:45

he can. Yeah, OK. There's been a few

20:47

stories like that over the years. That's very

20:49

true. I asked for a bit of music

20:51

earlier on. I would have, yes, now. This

20:53

is Jude Bellingham. They've been doing these kind of behind

20:56

the scenes with the England boys and when they're all

20:58

relaxed and chatting away.

21:00

And yesterday, it was

21:03

Trent Alexander Arnold and Jude Bellingham got together a bit

21:05

of a chat. They played a bit of Paul, apparently.

21:08

Oh, yeah, OK. And they had a

21:11

chat about their musical tastes. And

21:14

it seems that Jude got the Anshilat

21:16

the eyebrow from Trent when

21:18

he talked about loving this song. It's

21:21

from the 50s, and here it is. To

21:25

eat me like a fool,

21:27

treat me mean

21:30

and cruel, but

21:33

love me. It's

21:36

a great song. It is. It's Elvis Presley,

21:38

of course. I'm loving it. Connor

21:40

Gallagher will sing it's half time. Yes. So,

21:47

yeah, that's one of his favorites, apparently. He likes

21:49

a bit of Elvis. He is a bit of

21:51

an old head on young shoulders. Does it come

21:53

from your parents or something like that? Yeah. Music.

21:55

Yeah, that's good. OK. That's a bit of

21:57

an old classic. Someone else

21:59

getting behind. lads is Prince William. He

22:02

says onwards to the knockout stage he's well down

22:04

in England looking forward to the next round. You

22:06

see that's nice and positive isn't it? You wouldn't

22:09

expect him to say. He's

22:11

not going to phone the sports bar is he? Hello

22:13

Jason hello Jamie yes Prince

22:16

William here. He's got to go. He's got to

22:18

go. I wouldn't say that to his face. The

22:20

European villa. One thinks

22:22

he's got to go. I wouldn't even

22:24

talk up the European villa that's it.

22:26

What else? One of the Austrian players

22:28

has been getting up to in the

22:30

build up. Apparently they're very

22:33

excited to be there. They've been playing Austrian

22:35

pop on the coach. What do Austrian pop

22:37

is like? I can't

22:39

imagine. What are we going with? You want to find

22:42

out? Look at the producer. Want to find some Austrian

22:44

pop? Was it the one that won the Eurovision song

22:46

contest with the beard? Was that Austria? Wasn't

22:50

he Austrian? Okay

22:52

I don't know. I just don't. I'll look it

22:54

up. It's all fine with the beard. Exactly.

22:57

You know what I mean though. It's

22:59

all feeling a bit fraught this Andy.

23:01

Let's get our facts right before we

23:03

go any further down this Austrian

23:06

Eurovision. I'm sure

23:08

that's not Austrian pop. Eurovision is not representative

23:10

of all the music of your country is

23:12

it really? I'd like to. Do you want

23:15

the Stars joke of the day? It's football

23:17

related. Yes okay. Watching the Croatia game

23:19

Monday night has anyone ever seen Luka Modric

23:21

and Mackenzie Crook in the same room? No

23:24

why would they? They're any little remote.

23:26

They're guest starred in detectives. They're mostly

23:29

alike do they? Well this is good

23:31

news. I never knew. Danny Kelly would

23:33

have known this but I wouldn't. Austro

23:36

pop is a thing. It's a kind

23:38

of school of music. It comprises several

23:40

musical stars from traditional pop to rock.

23:42

Also sometimes includes a bit of yodeling.

23:45

They throw a bit of yodeling into their

23:47

Austro pop. That is quite Swiss stroke Austrian.

23:49

So we'll find something that's representative of that

23:51

and hopefully don't touch that dilate and we'll

23:53

bring that to you a little bit later

23:55

on. I

23:58

don't know we did ask you whether. that

24:00

you've gone on a sort of ill-advised leisure

24:03

activity. Because we were questioning maybe the sense

24:05

of the England guys going out on electric

24:08

bikes that they weren't used to. Because did

24:10

you see what happened to Anthony Gordon? The

24:14

sort of handles and the brakes

24:16

are in a different place. I think he

24:18

touched the front brake as

24:21

opposed to the rear one. Right. And

24:23

that's why he went over the top and

24:26

he got his little beat-knit scabby beard on

24:28

the tune. I think it's been a personal experience.

24:31

It must have given him a bit of a shocky

24:33

mouth a bit. You were a bit shaken up today?

24:35

No, not today. Yesterday I was. Yeah, definitely. OK. Still

24:38

didn't stop me going to the Royal

24:40

Academy Summer Exhibition. Oh, blimey. That's highbrow,

24:42

that is. Well, it's middlebrow. It

24:45

is, really. It's very middle class. It

24:47

depends what brow you're in currently. A

24:50

lot of the stuff you look at in here. How did

24:52

that get in? Really? Were you

24:54

walking around saying that? Yes. Really?

24:56

Of course. Well, you look

24:58

at it and go, they've only got 17 seconds

25:00

to decide. You kind of critique it on the

25:02

movie. You walk from sort of piece of art

25:04

to piece of art saying, that's rubbish. How did

25:06

that get in? Very much so. Of course you

25:08

did. Well, not that loud. I mean, loud enough.

25:10

I'm the artist, actually. What's your issue? Right,

25:13

OK. Some of them, I mean, if

25:16

people want to buy them, they put red dots

25:18

on them. OK. Some of them had

25:20

a lot of interest. That's not just some of the

25:22

laser pen wondering about. Sure, that's the case. OK. Yeah.

25:25

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25:27

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25:29

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25:32

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25:34

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27:30

With the 55th pick in the 2024

27:32

NBA draft, the Los Angeles Lakers select

27:34

Bronnie James from the University of Southern

27:38

California. Yes, that's how

27:40

it was announced that Bronnie James,

27:42

the son of the legendary LeBron James, was

27:44

going to be heading to the same team as

27:47

his dad. Yeah. It's

27:49

been some interesting fallout subsequently. And

27:51

here to discuss it all is our

27:54

man on American Sports. Slightly earlier than

27:56

usual. It

28:00

is Todd McLean, good afternoon Todd. Hey

28:02

boys. Now, one of the things,

28:04

I mean, I saw a kind of staunch defense

28:07

of, obviously somebody who's a

28:09

big fan of the bronze and Bronnie saying,

28:11

this isn't nepotism. This guy's a great player,

28:13

he's earned his place. I mean,

28:16

it's difficult, I mean, I'm sure there are other

28:18

teams interested and the Lakers got there, but they

28:20

will be aware of the commercial benefits of

28:23

drafting Bronnie, won't they?

28:27

They will. And it is interesting guys, we've

28:29

been doing this together for over 20

28:31

years. And

28:33

it feels like we always play

28:36

the audio of the first pick. I think

28:38

this is the first time we've done the

28:40

audio of the 55th pick. It's

28:43

safe to say, but it is.

28:45

Listen guys, there's no question the

28:47

story of the draft was not,

28:49

hey, that another French player went

28:51

number one for the second

28:54

straight year, or we had three French

28:56

players in the first round, right in

28:58

that changing dynamic of non-US players going

29:00

at the top of the draft. No,

29:03

the story of the draft was Bronnie James at 55

29:06

going to the Lakers. And as you

29:08

said, nepotism is a big buzzword

29:11

in the US, in

29:13

the entertainment industry with acting and singing and

29:15

that. Is it nepotism?

29:17

Yeah, it is. But

29:20

listen, there's a heck of a lot

29:22

of nepotism in the NBA, in the

29:25

coaching ranks, in the GM ranks, where

29:27

guys have got an opportunity because their

29:29

father was a great coach or

29:31

a great general manager. And

29:33

so if it happens to now go into

29:36

the player side, I don't have a big

29:38

deal with it. Listen,

29:41

where he's picked at 55, the

29:43

odds of him making it are very long. If

29:45

you look at the 55th pick in the last

29:47

20 drafts, most

29:50

of those guys have not played, or if

29:52

they have, they played very few games. So,

29:55

so Bronnie

29:58

James gets a chance because his dad's- LeBron

30:00

don't have a problem with it. Uh,

30:02

and we'll just kind of see how it

30:05

all plays out. But again, he will not

30:07

be the first guy picked at 55 not

30:09

to make the NBA. So

30:11

again, I know it's a big

30:13

deal because we live in that world. Um,

30:16

but I, I listen, the one thing

30:19

you can't say is, is that the kid hasn't,

30:21

uh, had to really work hard, right?

30:23

He had the cardiac incident, um,

30:26

about a year ago. So for him to

30:28

even be considered, uh, for

30:30

the draft is, is a real credit to him.

30:33

Uh, and what he's done, uh, with

30:35

his physical health the last year. The NBA have a

30:37

summer league. So I believe he's going to play in

30:39

that for the Lakers. Will, will his dad play in

30:42

that as well? No.

30:44

So LeBron won't, uh, it

30:46

is, you're right. Uh, Andy, they do have the summer

30:48

league. Actually, I think they're in a couple of summer

30:50

leagues, the Lakers. Um, there's like

30:52

an LA based summer league and then the

30:54

main one in Vegas. So yeah,

30:56

I would think there's an opportunity for

30:59

him. And again, guys, uh,

31:01

a lot of guys picked in this

31:03

position, you know, teams

31:05

are famous for drafting European players in

31:07

and around this position and kind of

31:09

stashing them for a few years until

31:12

they're ready for the NBA to meet.

31:14

Ronnie James is no different. He

31:17

is a longterm project. Um,

31:19

uh, and listen, he may. To

31:23

get him on the court in a real game with LeBron.

31:26

So things might get expedited, right? Because

31:28

I think, you know, LeBron's talked about, you

31:30

know, wanting to, to play with his son

31:32

or he did a while ago and I

31:35

know he changed course a bit lately. So

31:37

will things get expedited and will he probably

31:39

play with LeBron in a regular season game?

31:41

Yeah. But in the

31:43

summer league, it's just your rookies and your young

31:45

players that are going to get a chance to

31:47

play in that. Now,

31:49

one of the other big stories today

31:51

in the States is this, uh, jury

31:54

verdict, um, which could

31:56

see the NFL, uh, hit

31:58

with a. $14.1 billion. This

32:03

is amazing. Fine. Yeah,

32:05

I mean, it's all a bit complex. It's around

32:08

what they called a Sunday ticket package to

32:11

watch NFL games, Todd. I suppose in layman's

32:13

terms, as briefly as possible, can you sort

32:15

of outline what's gone on and why they've

32:17

lost it? It was brought by effectively fans,

32:19

wasn't it? People who bought these tickets to

32:22

watch NFL games on TV. Yeah,

32:25

it was a class

32:27

action lawsuit brought

32:29

by millions of fans and also businesses too, right?

32:31

If you want to borrow a pub, a restaurant,

32:33

you've got to get the Sunday

32:35

ticket. I think the

32:37

biggest gripe was this, is

32:40

that the NFL used one

32:42

carrier for the Sunday ticket,

32:45

direct TV, and

32:47

the problem was that they charged a lot

32:49

more money than they had in the past

32:52

for it. And in layman's terms,

32:54

that's what happened. And the NFL thought they

32:57

had an antitrust exemption that they could

32:59

do that. And the judge ruled

33:01

that, or the jury ruled that they did

33:04

have that exemption to do it. So

33:07

yeah, I think the initial ruling

33:09

was they lost like six or seven

33:11

billion and it could, right? It

33:13

could get up to 14 billion. I

33:17

don't expect it to. I

33:19

think the NFL

33:21

is going to settle on this and it will

33:23

probably settle for a lot less than the 14

33:25

billion that is being talked about. I will tell

33:28

you the biggest thing from just a

33:30

fan perspective is this, and

33:33

I'm a fan of the Dallas Cowboys, but if

33:35

I wanted to get the Sunday ticket just to

33:37

watch the Cowboys, I got to get the whole

33:40

Sunday ticket that gets me all

33:42

the games. One of the biggest things that

33:44

might come out of this is, hey, I

33:46

want to get just cowboy games. So don't

33:49

make me pay the whole freight to get

33:51

it all. Let me get something that just

33:53

allows me to get Cowboys games. And I

33:55

think that may be one of the biggest

33:58

things to come out of this. is

34:00

you can just do it by team

34:02

and just get your favorite favorite team

34:04

rather than have to buy everything else.

34:06

I'm going to ask Todd though, are

34:08

you getting excited about the copper

34:11

America? I say Canada is second in the

34:13

group. I

34:16

know, listen, I know over the years, Andy

34:18

has looked down on poor little Canada,

34:21

right? I know you guys are big

34:23

England, right? Andy, you look down on

34:25

us little Canadians. We just fill

34:27

out the roster at the World Cup. I

34:30

know, although we will be hosting right in 2026.

34:33

Yeah, that's right. Listen, it was a big

34:35

deal. Canada opened the

34:38

tournament against Argentina, lost two nil,

34:41

but played well and then yeah, won the

34:43

next game and now we're

34:45

kind of in the thick of things. So

34:48

we've got, listen, we've gone from

34:50

that euphoria of making the World Cup again, right

34:52

after like a 20 year absence and I know

34:55

we didn't score in it, but

34:57

we're heading in the right direction, Andy. And

34:59

you know, maybe not in our lifetime, we'll

35:01

be one of the big boys, but

35:04

listen, we think we're on a path to

35:06

getting there. Good stuff. Good. Now,

35:08

a story that's kind of gone viral from the world of American sport

35:10

last couple of days is this

35:13

sinkhole that opened up in

35:15

Orton, just north of St. Louis and that

35:18

is the right one, isn't it? Yes, it just sort

35:21

of suddenly opened up on a football field. Because otherwise

35:23

the whole team would have gone because there's no width.

35:26

They all would have disappeared into it. That's

35:28

right. This hole just appeared

35:30

and there was a sort of a

35:32

camera on the field, a security camera

35:34

that shows it and the floodlight disappearing

35:36

into the hole. About

35:39

30 meters wide and about nine meters deep. No

35:41

one was injured, thankfully, because of the time

35:43

it happened, but it is pretty

35:45

spectacular footage, Todd, isn't it? It's

35:48

amazing. And I guess it was caused by

35:50

a mining company, had a mine

35:53

collapse in the area and that's what's

35:55

caused the sinkhole. But

35:57

we use the phrase, tie-in.

36:00

is everything and you're so right. It

36:02

happened on a Wednesday morning, a day

36:05

before the end of school. Like

36:09

the school ended on the Thursday or

36:11

most schools ended on the Thursday or

36:13

today, the Friday, for

36:15

summer vacation. But if you think

36:17

about that happening on

36:19

a Saturday or Sunday morning, there's

36:21

people there likely, right? Because the

36:23

soccer games, the local soccer games,

36:25

but the fact that it happened

36:27

on a Wednesday is just an

36:29

absolute fluke, because there would have

36:31

been people either hurt or dead

36:33

if it happened at a different

36:35

time of the day or a

36:37

different day of the week. It

36:40

was so quick as well. I mean, it was just one

36:42

minute in the fields there and the next minute he's gone.

36:44

And then you just see the, yeah, you see the floodlight

36:46

just disappear into the hole completely out of shot. And finally,

36:48

there's, I'm sure there's been a lot of talk about

36:51

the presidential debate that took place last

36:54

night and all the fallout from it. We're not

36:56

dealing with the politics, but at

36:58

one point, they started to fall out

37:01

over golf with Donald Trump and Joe

37:03

Biden. Let's bring you this little golf

37:05

exchange, but a trash talk between the

37:07

two of them here. I

37:10

just won two club championships, not even

37:12

senior, two regular club championships. To do

37:14

that, you have to be quite

37:16

smart and you have to be able to hit

37:18

the ball a long way. And I do it.

37:20

He doesn't do it. He can't hit a ball

37:22

50 yards. He challenged me to a golf match.

37:24

He can't hit a ball 50 yards. Look, I'd

37:26

be happy to have a driving contest in him.

37:28

I got my handicap, which when I was vice

37:30

president down to a six, I told you

37:33

before, I'm happy to play golf. If you carry your own

37:35

bag, think you can do it. He's

37:37

a six handicap of all. I

37:40

was eight handicap. Eight.

37:43

But I have, you know how many good I've seen you swing.

37:45

I know you swing. Let's not act like

37:47

children. President Trump, we're going to learn let's not act

37:49

like children. A bit late for that boys, isn't it?

37:53

His handicap went up too in the space of

37:55

about 10 seconds, didn't he old Joe? It's not

37:57

good, is it? Yeah. Of course. The

38:00

great Rick Riley wrote

38:02

a fantastic book called Commander in

38:04

Cheat, how golf explains Trump. Did

38:07

Trump say, I've won two championships? Yeah, I think

38:09

at clubs he owns. He's

38:13

very much sort of Kim Jong

38:15

Un when it comes to golf.

38:17

But that was some moment, wasn't it?

38:20

Guys, is it not farcical that

38:23

the country that deems itself the

38:25

greatest country in the world is

38:28

stuck with voting between these two

38:30

guys. And these two guys think

38:32

that they can, like, with everything

38:34

going on, not just in the

38:36

US, but over across the world,

38:38

that these two guys think they

38:40

can take two minutes in a

38:42

presidential debate to talk about golf.

38:44

It's just ridiculous. Yeah,

38:47

it was it was quite entertaining. Oh, yes. Brilliant,

38:50

Todd. We will catch up with you next week. Thanks very

38:52

much for joining us. See

38:54

you boys. The Hawksby and Jacobs daily

38:57

podcast. Jack Carrae. Look, isn't

38:59

he definitely the old beatnik? Yes, he does. He's

39:01

on TV now and he has, he's

39:03

where he's come off the bike. He's taken

39:06

all the skin off the chin and it does look like one

39:08

of those old beatnik beards they used

39:10

to they used to have a beret on.

39:12

They look good, wouldn't it? A lot of

39:14

black clothes in a beret, but he'll be

39:16

asked about that. He's bound to be, isn't

39:18

he? The fact they've put him

39:20

forward, does that mean that he's got a chance of

39:23

starting? Well, no, other people have been put forward the

39:25

last few days and I think that's always necessary. I

39:27

wouldn't read too much into it, Andy. That's

39:29

it, Stross. So anything else you want to

39:31

talk about while we're here? Yes, football

39:34

has always never failed to fascinate you.

39:36

Enzo Fernandez. Yeah. He's not happy. Chelsea

39:39

and I will let him play in the

39:41

Olympics. He's brilliant, isn't he? No, he's actually

39:43

justified he's 105 million feet. Oh, why play

39:45

for the club that pay all that for

39:48

you? That's going to be a bit of an issue

39:50

for a few clubs, I think, because of the timing

39:52

of it. Football over 23 football

39:55

should not even be in the Olympics.

39:57

Football's got its own World Cup, its own. Championships,

40:00

I don't know why they're allowed a couple of

40:02

overage players on they be in the Olympics. I

40:04

just shouldn't no point Yeah,

40:07

it's that news about Frank Duckworth and

40:09

Duckworth Lewis that's

40:11

right, we I remember we sadly passed away

40:13

the other day and They

40:17

came on once they remember Duckworth Lewis, so this

40:19

was priesthood a few times I mean one time

40:21

I said it didn't work in I know that

40:23

was a fantastic didn't like you said it didn't

40:26

work in white ball Cricket in t20. I didn't

40:28

think it does but there you go It was

40:30

a fascinating argument you kept saying white didn't and

40:32

they just kept Frank kept saying why it did

40:35

Yeah, but in the end you just sort of stay in your own Wickets

40:37

because if you've got if you've got a short course

40:40

if you've got five overs to go Yeah, you

40:42

know and you've got a certain you can be

40:44

really reckless if you've got ten wickets They never

40:46

adjusted the wickets and I always thought that's what

40:48

they should do there again. I never invented this

40:51

Is immortality isn't it really to have invented

40:54

this Change

40:56

cricket forever. Yeah, yeah, a

40:58

survey says 10% of

41:00

British people think tomato ketchup counts as your

41:02

one of your five a day Yeah From

41:08

the bottle I was saying yes, Charlie have you

41:11

heard about Harry Kane's new addiction? What

41:13

is it? German ham rolls

41:18

He's got into the German ham roll I

41:21

think it's overly healthy thing to

41:23

be eating. I think it's it's it's a

41:25

bit spicy. It's not just that It's not

41:27

just not as you'd know It's not like

41:29

a bat with a bit of a bit

41:31

of ham in it. No, but he's got

41:33

into him That's he's that's his new addiction. I don't

41:36

know when he's been eating. That's what slowed him up

41:39

Maybe he's lost everyone at half time. I lost

41:41

the yeah, I lost the yard off the back

41:43

of the ham rolls That's not talking to food

41:45

and you do like a sporting measurement and this

41:48

is a Katie bolter The

41:50

British tennis player she

41:52

has their food served to her in

41:54

tennis ball sized portions Yeah, it's

41:56

good that story. I saw that story, but you know where it

41:59

comes from the Sunday times interview that she did.

42:01

Right, okay. Where she did a day in the

42:03

life with Katie Poulter and I noticed a lot

42:05

of the tabloids picked it up and ran it

42:08

as if it was their story. It's fantastic. Yeah,

42:10

that's the way it works, isn't it? Yes. But

42:12

apparently a nutritionist has said

42:14

to her she should eat by comparing

42:16

meals to the size of the yellow

42:19

tennis balls. So yeah,

42:21

she was saying with lunch, it will

42:23

start next week, it's often salmon, rice

42:25

and veg the size of a tennis

42:27

ball. It's supposed to be who goes

42:29

for the medicine ball. That's right, that's

42:31

why you're much more in the

42:33

medicine ball that size, that's very

42:35

true. It's good. The Henry

42:38

Royer of Gatter is on next week. I don't

42:40

think I'll be going. You're going after the Royer.

42:42

You're doing the whole scene tonight. Sewage alert. Really?

42:46

Yes. I think there was after the England game

42:48

the other day really. So

42:50

let's hope things pick up in

42:52

that as well. That's true. The

42:54

Hawksby and Jacobs Daily Podcast. You've

42:56

heard about this game that England

42:59

players have been playing. It's called Last Man

43:01

Standing in the sauna. Last

43:04

Man Standing in the sauna. Yeah, it's basically who can

43:06

stand the sauna for long. I wonder if they've got

43:08

no energy. A daft thing to do. Declan

43:11

Rice said that the squad was hooked

43:13

on who can take the most heat

43:15

with Ivan Tony winning. Really? Tremendous. That

43:18

can't be a good idea. There were stories last week

43:20

that Joe, I mean, they don't take it

43:23

to the point where one of them passes out. They're very

43:25

competitive though aren't they? Do you know what I mean? You

43:27

think it's like they shoot horses don't they? It's like no

43:29

idea if you've got to be the last man in the

43:31

sauna. It just doesn't sound like a great idea really. Ivan

43:34

Tony's obviously gone on to another step because apparently it

43:36

was Joe Gomez the other week who was the king

43:38

of the sauna. I brought you that story. In the

43:40

sauna someone said to him I'm going to stay here

43:42

longer than you and he said no

43:44

way and then sat it out, sat there for

43:46

ages. And they pointed out Declan

43:48

Rice pointed out it was so hot. Well it

43:50

is a sauna. And he

43:53

said I just looked at Joe and thought yeah

43:55

this guy's built different but suddenly obviously Ivan

43:57

Tony has taken on the challenge and has become King

44:00

of the saunas history. We may see

44:02

him actually with his penalties looming Suddenly

44:05

start that would be a wise move wouldn't it with

44:07

okay? If you know you've got pens with about 30

44:09

seconds left you'd bring Ivan Tony on it would make

44:12

this one Never

44:14

he hasn't missed one in his life until

44:16

you pause on that chain mail England shirt

44:19

They all goes badly wrong the Hawksby and

44:21

Jacobs daily podcast. Well there we are That's

44:23

how it all unfolded this

44:25

afternoon will return on Monday

44:28

By which stage we hope with England post-mortem Stan

44:30

Collin more joining us sleep And a cast

44:32

of thousands as we pick over the bones

44:34

of England's Six nil

44:36

victory over Slovakia you heard it here first

44:38

like a lot of people I'm I just

44:41

feel that it will come right at some

44:43

point. Yes, too good a players. I'm hoping

44:45

that yeah, that's right Well, we've all

44:47

we've all got a dare to dream. We're not

44:49

after five minutes Okay

44:52

So yeah Keep it talk sports throughout the weekend

44:54

and talk sport two for all of the games

44:56

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44:58

of the matches from the round of 16, but

45:00

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45:02

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