Tad Hargrave blogs at Healing From Whiteness, writes for the Facebook page Dear White Men, and wrestles with the complicated and thorny mess that is whiteness, white privilege and white guilt. He talks with Eric about how white shame and guilt make the ideology of white supremacy appealing, how our modern construction of race prevents people from seeing whiteness as the fictions it is, and how learning the nuances of our ancestry grounds us, among other things.