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I could be, you know, a fly on the

18:02

wall and see what's going on. Is that world

18:04

constricting a little bit like classical music in terms

18:07

of the audience and... I think in the United

18:09

States, yeah, a lot, because, you know, it's all

18:11

privately funded, you know, and the money, it's hard

18:14

to get now, I think, you know, it only gets harder

18:16

with the arts and the way that in

18:19

politics we portray the arts, unfortunately. I

18:22

think in Europe, that's why we're mostly

18:25

over in Europe, you know, I have a

18:27

lot more opportunity. A lot of state-sponsored programs.

18:29

I mean, every little city, every little town

18:31

in Germany has an opera house, and they're

18:34

all at a reasonable level. And then you

18:36

have places like Berlin and Munich and Hamburg

18:38

and Frankfurt, and, you know, you

18:40

can make an easy living over there. And then

18:42

you could just fly one hour to Vienna or

18:44

two hours to Milan and sing internationally.

18:48

How would you describe the difference between audiences

18:51

in the United States and Europe? You

18:54

know, there is a difference. I would say the

18:56

typical United States audience, I would say, you know,

18:58

you probably have 20, 25%

19:01

of the people are regular opera goers that

19:03

really know the piece. In Europe? In

19:05

the United States, I would say about 20%. They

19:07

know the piece, you know, they go all the time. And

19:10

then the rest is kind of people that

19:12

are going there because they like opera and

19:15

or first timers and stuff like that. So I think

19:18

the enthusiasm for

19:21

the opera in the United States is always pretty

19:24

good, you know, unless it's

19:26

a real train wreck, you know, you never, you're

19:28

never, I basically say

19:30

the Met, you know, you always see a standing ovation

19:32

at the end of the night because they're always very

19:34

happy. A lot of places in New York to see

19:37

that. Exactly, you know, and but I would say in

19:39

Europe, you got to really work for that, especially places

19:41

like London, you know, I think that the personality of

19:43

the people is a little different. So to

19:45

get people on their feet in Covent Garden or

19:47

at the Coliseum, it's much more

19:50

difficult. And then in Italy, well, then

19:52

we'll keep going. Well, actually, we'll go

19:54

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19:56

think even getting an applause after an

19:58

aria is extremely difficult. I

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thought the stars have aligned to make

22:02

this role suit me perfectly

22:04

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22:06

French. I love Massenet, the way

22:08

it lies, the character, the fact

22:10

that the psychological drama in this

22:12

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22:14

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28:00

up as a singer. Actually, it was discovered

28:02

by Leonard Bernstein, his talent. And he's also

28:04

Jewish, he's part of my tribe, so I

28:07

appreciate that. But he's really

28:09

old school Italian kind of conductor. All

28:11

of his training was in Italy, and

28:13

he knows the pieces better

28:15

than, I think, almost anyone. I

28:18

mean, he's an unbelievable maestro.

28:20

He's a little

28:22

temperamental, but I think that that actually comes

28:24

in your favor when you get on stage

28:27

and you have somebody to support you and

28:29

help you deliver when you need it. Now

28:31

you were born in Chile? Yes. And

28:33

you left there when? Six months old. And

28:36

your parents took you or you were... Well,

28:38

they adopted me, but... Oh, they were adopted

28:40

by... They didn't take me, but... So you

28:42

never met your birth parents? Never. And do

28:44

you know anything about their history? No. Your

28:46

adoptive parents are Jewish? Yes. Do

28:48

you want, you know, Chilean Catholic or something? Probably

28:50

was. Wasn't it Chileans? I know, were Catholics. It

28:52

was, I mean, I'm sure. I was from Castro,

28:54

and that's like the Catholic capital of Chile. Right.

28:57

But you were raised Jewish by your parents? I was. Yeah.

29:00

So no connection to

29:02

Chile, no feelings about Chile, no... No.

29:04

I mean, I will actually be doing

29:06

some sort of South American tour next

29:09

year. I am planning

29:11

to go to my place of

29:13

birth. There's actually a beautiful theater

29:15

nearby called Teatro del Lago, and

29:18

it's this theater on the lake, obviously.

29:20

And then I'll maybe sing in Santiago,

29:24

Buenos Aires, Peru, Montevideo,

29:28

just kind of re-enter my South American

29:30

heritage. The South American circuit. Exactly, exactly. But

29:32

I really wanted to do this, and I've

29:34

been waiting to do it. I was planning

29:36

actually doing it this summer, but unfortunately, my

29:38

wife's visa is issues. We

29:41

cannot leave... Where's she from? She's Romanian.

29:43

But that's why the Romanian connection. And

29:45

that's the Romanian connection. And they

29:47

won't let her leave the country until she has her

29:49

green card. So here we are, stuck

29:51

in the US of A. If anybody can sing their

29:53

way to their wife's green card, I have faith in

29:56

you. Amen. I have faith you're going to go to

29:58

the White House, sing in the White House. I'm

30:00

sure I'm not the first one. There's anything I can

30:02

do for you there, Jonathan. You're like, as a matter

30:05

of fact, Mr. President, that's right. there was a little

30:07

favor you could do for me. Now, what's

30:10

one of the strange, I mean, opera is

30:12

so complex. I watched that

30:14

documentary about the ring and

30:16

Levine conducted that. Yes. And

30:18

they showed those big, big paddles, those

30:21

seesaws, and that whole crazy thing. Yeah.

30:23

And they showed the rehearsals, they would stop. And

30:26

the women would go sliding down those little parks.

30:28

Like they were in Washington Square Park. They'd be

30:30

like, zip off the stage. What's the craziest thing

30:32

that ever happened to you during a show? Did

30:35

any wacky things ever happen to you when you

30:37

were doing a show? Well, I've definitely injured myself

30:39

a few times. I've done the opera, Tosca, and

30:41

always in that opera, there's the death of

30:44

Cavarodossi, where he gets killed by firing squad.

30:46

And before I really actually knew how to

30:48

fall, I was falling and falling and falling,

30:50

and then eventually I had this enormous bruise across

30:53

my entire leg and up my back. And I

30:55

kept, because I just kept falling on my hip

30:57

every night. And by the last

30:59

show, I was like hobbling the entire opera.

31:01

It was horrible. But then I

31:03

learned, you know, how to actually do it correctly. I

31:06

did a play once, and I'm banging my hand on a table.

31:09

I'm punching, I'm doing Streetcar Named Desire on Broadway,

31:11

and the line is, remember what Huey Long said,

31:13

every man is a king. And I am

31:15

the king around here, I bash the table. It was a hickory table.

31:19

With the hardest fucking wood, it was the wood they made,

31:21

like Washington's coffin out or something.

31:23

Punched back harder. I had

31:25

the wood exactly at the table, hit me. And

31:27

I literally get, I crush my knuckle, I

31:30

kill my nerve from in between my pinky

31:32

finger and the next finger over. I crush

31:35

the nerve wrapping up in behind, through my

31:37

forearm, wrapping up like the sciatica of your

31:39

upper trunk. Unbelievable. And it goes, wraps around

31:41

my bicep, and I couldn't do one pushup.

31:44

I went down, and my chest

31:46

muscle just died. Well. Because it

31:48

comes out of the air, down your arm, anyway. Like

31:50

if you do pushups. Yeah. You're,

31:52

you know, exerting the same system. And this happened

31:54

to me, and my hands started to turn black.

31:56

Blue. Black. My goodness. Now, is

31:59

your wife an opera singer? No, she's not.

32:01

We actually met on Tinder in London. She

32:03

was working for the Soho House. She was

32:05

a manager of a restaurant at the Ned.

32:07

I can't believe you're so desperate. You're on

32:09

tour. Oh, my God. You know, I

32:11

was just, I just was there to make friends. You were

32:13

lonely and bored. I was so lonely. You fucking named that.

32:16

You know, it was like one of those Tinder

32:18

stories that actually walked out. Who am I?

32:20

In your hotel room, who am I? Swiping. Oh,

32:23

swiping. Am I that? I don't

32:25

know. Super swiping, actually. So you met her? We

32:27

met. Yeah, we met. What's it like for you

32:29

when you're on Tinder and you meet the person,

32:32

either they're what you hoped they would be or they're not? I

32:34

mean, I think she was more

32:36

the person that I expected than

32:38

I was the person that she expected. What does

32:40

she expect? Well, you know, I had some nice

32:42

pictures and all these things, you know, you've seen

32:44

me on the camera. You've seen me

32:46

in the real life. You know, there is difference. So I

32:49

think that, you know. A slight difference. A slight difference. The

32:51

guy, the guy. I also had a little bit more weight

32:53

at that time. So, you know, it was a little bit

32:55

more. You're more powerful. A little power. Yeah, I like that.

32:58

I like that. I was very powerful. Well, you do. You

33:00

look like you could be playing defensive end for

33:02

the Cowboys. I don't know about that. On video.

33:04

In person, you could be playing tennis at Yale

33:06

or something. That's good. That's good, yes. I

33:09

get a lot of, I get a lot of Federer,

33:11

actually. That's my doppelganger. So when

33:13

you meet the woman, your wife, who the woman

33:15

who you're gonna eventually partner with and have a

33:17

baby, are you married? You're married. We're just gonna

33:19

marry. She is your wife. We got off the

33:21

plane at JFK, drove down to West Virginia and

33:23

got married the next morning. Why

33:25

West Virginia? Because you can get a marriage license

33:27

day of. And we wanted to

33:29

submit everything as fast as we could to get

33:31

the green card stuff going. Born in Chile, raised

33:34

in Princeton, with my wife in Romania, get married

33:36

in West Virginia. That's right. And now we're gonna

33:38

be moving back to Berlin next year. So, yeah,

33:40

that's where we'll be living. We'd love that to

33:42

be home. For now. Why? A

33:45

lot of work. Yeah, it's the work.

33:47

It's just the, it's simple, it's more

33:49

simple there. We can go to her

33:51

family very easily. It's only two hours.

33:53

I can go to basically anywhere in

33:55

Europe within three hours. And,

33:58

you know, it's just. That's

34:00

where the opera really is. You have three

34:02

major opera houses right in that city. Then

34:04

you have, obviously, the Berlin Philharmonic, and then

34:07

also universal music is there. So for me,

34:09

it's almost a no-brainer. And

34:11

the education is very good and free.

34:14

Do you see yourself doing this for the rest of your life?

34:16

I mean, like in my own case, I

34:18

did this for 40-something years, and now I'd rather

34:21

stay home more than work. I'm

34:23

happier staying home than working. I used to

34:25

go to work. I was very enthusiastic. I

34:27

worked rather than just let one off the

34:29

other for a 20-year period, and all I

34:31

cared about really was work. But I cared

34:33

about my family and so forth, but I

34:35

really didn't hesitate to go out and grab

34:37

the jobs while they were there. And now

34:39

I'm just not as interested. I understand. You

34:41

know, I think I would like

34:43

to do other things eventually. I

34:45

would like to do a lot of

34:47

things. I'm interested in actually acting itself.

34:50

My producers and I were like, what about acting?

34:52

When are you going to go into that? I

34:54

am interested, you know, and I'm kind of a

34:56

big fan of Mario Lanza. And this

34:59

kind of tradition of these great

35:01

singers in film, I think that that's kind of,

35:03

it's a missing element to the world right now.

35:05

I think that that's, it could be a draw

35:07

for an inspirational thing for

35:09

a lot of young people to really

35:11

connect with this music that is so

35:15

meaningful and so connecting. I think we

35:17

should develop a TV series for

35:19

like a Netflix or Apple or one of these people

35:21

or Amazon Prime, where it's about the world of opera.

35:23

And it's a narrative. You play a character. I mean,

35:26

it's a cooler world than most people know. Most

35:28

people think opera, okay, they're just talented. They

35:30

just get on that stage, they sing. They

35:33

make them, they do that thing. I

35:35

don't want to know really about that, but yeah, it's

35:37

that thing. But actually it's a kind of normal

35:40

life mixed with this life of just like going

35:42

from job to job, place to place, person to

35:44

person and role to role. Every

35:47

new place is a new experience. It's actually

35:49

very exciting. Well, I mean, as you probably

35:51

can guess, if we did the TV series

35:54

with you and the lead as the opera

35:56

singer, you'd be this incredibly

35:58

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40:22

Advice for the Next Generation

40:24

of Opera Singers What's

41:23

an opera rehearsal with no singing? What do

41:25

they do? Well, we just do staging. I

41:27

mean, staging and logistics. Choreography. Choreography. If you're

41:30

lucky, you have a good director and you

41:32

have a good collaborative team of people that

41:34

can act, then you can develop things even

41:36

more, you know. It just depends on

41:38

who you get. And that's the thing about opera is you

41:40

don't really know who you get until you get

41:42

there. What do you like to do with your spare

41:44

time? I mean, do you feel that you can go clubbing

41:47

and enjoy life to the fullest or do you

41:49

have to really, really... Are you like Jake Lamotta

41:51

asking for a piece of ice?

41:54

You know, I never need

41:56

to go to another club. I think I'm all

41:58

set. Right now, you know, we're preparing our

42:00

wedding reception because, you know, we got married

42:02

in a hurry. Who have you hired to

42:04

sing there? Who's singing there? Actually, we have

42:06

an open piano cocktail hour. So all of

42:08

my buddies and whoever wants to get up

42:10

will have a pianist so they can just

42:12

get up and do their thing. Are most

42:14

of your friends in the business? Yeah, I

42:16

would say. Or they're in some

42:19

way interested in singing, which is really weird.

42:21

My whole wedding party, I'd realize that every one

42:23

of them is an opera singer or wants to

42:25

be one. Oh my God, oh

42:27

my God. So what do you do? What do

42:29

you like to do on a night off? I

42:32

mean, we don't take many nights off, you know,

42:34

we're mostly at home, just like hanging with the

42:36

kid and playing with her. You know, it's an

42:38

important time right now, you know. We really enjoy

42:40

spending time with our daughter. But, you know, when

42:42

we're on tour, you know, we have actually, we

42:45

don't really want to stay home, you know, we want

42:47

to see the cities. So when we're in Italy, you

42:49

know, we want to see all the churches, we want

42:51

to see all the museums. We just want to walk

42:53

around. We were in Palermo recently and, you know, we

42:56

would go to the market every day and get fresh

42:58

fish, fresh groceries, everything, you know, that's like, it's a

43:00

different type of life. A European life. Very cool, actually,

43:02

because, you know, and get to practice a little Italian.

43:04

Are any of your parents or either of your parents

43:06

willing to go on the road with you for these

43:09

luxurious trips? So you can have the kids and take

43:11

care of the kids? They're a bit too willing. I

43:16

want you to be my son. I'm like,

43:18

son, where are we going? We're going to go

43:21

to Milan, dad. They'll

43:23

find us. Milan, you're kidding. That's

43:25

where you're going? They usually come

43:27

and they spend maybe three to

43:30

five weeks with us at a time, which is really nice.

43:32

It's nice that they come in handy. Yeah.

43:34

Especially when in easy situations. I don't have

43:37

them forever. So it's wonderful to have them,

43:39

you know, at any moment. What

43:41

are you doing next? Well, I'm doing butterfly

43:43

at the Met now. You're rehearsing

43:45

now. We're rehearsing now. Actually, I'm supposed to

43:47

sing tomorrow, but I'm not feeling well. So

43:49

I think I'm not going to sing tomorrow.

43:52

And when you make that call with them,

43:54

it's a tough call. You know, I think

43:56

I think it's they appreciate it.

43:58

And I think that a lot of singers. Struggle

44:00

making that call because they feel like oh if

44:02

I cancel you know they'll they won't hire me

44:04

again They'll think I'm unreliable But I actually think

44:06

it's an important so in order for everybody else

44:09

to move forward during the rehearsal Right

44:11

not be held up by you per se even

44:13

though. It's well now. We're in the performances so

44:15

you're running Oh, we're running. We're running tomorrow opening

44:17

night But you know tomorrow's the opening night opening

44:19

night, and I'm not and I'm not there You

44:22

know I just know that I'm not going to

44:24

be at I usually have an

44:26

understudy obviously We have an understudy and if I'm not not 90%

44:28

I don't sing I

44:30

actually sang the HD broadcast last week completely

44:32

sick I had no voice and luckily I

44:34

had a great doctor who Prescribed

44:36

me some wonderful Western medication to get me

44:38

through the show, but otherwise I would have

44:40

had nothing Now watches

44:43

what is your thing about collecting watches?

44:45

You know I kind of mostly collect

44:47

Omega watches I actually really like the

44:49

Omega Doctor who prescribed

44:52

me some wonderful Western medication to get me

44:54

through the show, but otherwise I would have

44:56

had nothing Now watches

44:58

what is your thing about collecting watches?

45:01

You know I kind of mostly collect

45:03

Omega watches I actually really like the

45:05

Omega History of Omega there's

45:08

so many different types of Omegas They're probably one

45:10

of the more interesting brands I think because they

45:12

didn't really set out to be like oh This

45:14

is a luxury brand or whatever you know they're

45:16

they're really a lot of them a lot of

45:18

them I have are like officer watches or kind

45:20

of daily wear watches, and then they kind of

45:22

they did the James Bond stuff So their history

45:24

is very interesting. I think it's very Rooted

45:27

into like people that want to collect watches. They

45:29

don't make them $50,000

45:32

you know they make them under 10 grand typically, so

45:34

I think it's a it's a good brand to connect

45:37

myself, too I wish they'd give me a call you

45:39

know Omega Hello

45:42

swatch group. How many guys can sell watches and

45:44

sing Madama butterfly? That's right well

45:46

I mean you're running at the Met

45:48

and Madame butterfly for how long? Until

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May 11th. That's the HD broadcast

45:54

actually So that's that show

45:56

will be that will be broadcast. Yes, so live

45:58

it'll be a live broadcast And

46:00

when you do that show, typically, because this

46:02

is something I'm rather ignorant about, it typically

46:05

runs how many performances? Typically, I

46:07

would say a run is anywhere between

46:09

five and 12 shows. No. It

46:12

depends. So my

46:15

rendine was eight, and the

46:17

butterfly is five. No. Yes.

46:19

It's only five shows. That's right. Well, if it's

46:22

in May, it's a... Labor of

46:24

love. Right. You can't sing every

46:26

night. You can't. You have to

46:28

sing, I mean, at the most, once every other night,

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but you really need two days off to rest the

46:32

voice. Is that what you have now? I have that

46:34

now. At The Met, that's what they give

46:36

you. And it's really... it's a luxury.

46:39

In Europe, you don't always get that. It's

46:41

a lifestyle, you know? You come to expect it,

46:43

that this is what you do. With

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