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This is Alec Baldwin and you were listening

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to Here's the Thing. The

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Human Centipede, the

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only movie Roger Ebert ever refused

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to give a star rating too

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it is what it is. He concluded.

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It was the talk of the festival circuit in

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two thousand nine, the talk

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at dinner, not panel

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discussions. It was too cruel,

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too cracked. High school

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boys were emailing each other gross

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out clips. Many reviewers

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wouldn't even recount the premise I

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will so feel free to

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skip ahead about one minute. The

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movie, the first of a trilogy,

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starts with the familiar horror trope

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of two pretty young women getting

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a flat tire at night in

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the rain in the woods. I

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think we're supposed to turn. I thought you know

0:58

exactly where we were? What

1:05

was that? They end

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up in the home of a demented

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surgeon. Then

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the familiar tropes end because

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Dr Hyder, once a get

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this respected separator

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of Siamese Twins, has

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a late career goal. It's

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to kidnap three people, sever their

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knees and so their bodies

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together mouth to anus, creating

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one long digestive system.

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It's a bleak movie, terrifying

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and bloody, Deeter Laser's

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suave doctor Hyder is

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mangel alike in his dispassionate

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cruelty, and the victims play their

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roles with no wink or nod to

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break the tension, but shock

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wears off. The movie that Roger

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Ebert refused to review is

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now firmly a part of the

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American popular culture. We

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have a long treasured tradition

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here on our show, which celebrates

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the Festival of Lights. It's

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time once again for our annual

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lighting of the human centipede

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Menorah humans. The

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originator of the human centipede

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is improbably a charming

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panama hat wearing young Dutchman

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named Tom six. He had

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just arrived from Amsterdam

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and brought with him his longtime business

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partner who's also his sister. We

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think, how do you pronounce your first time again?

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Ilona? Okay,

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So we've all met before. Because

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I was in the unique

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club of people who watched your

2:48

magnum Opus and was just

2:50

knocked out. I thought, my god, I've got

2:52

to meet the guy that made this movie. And

2:55

you were so cheery, you were like it. We was so

2:57

kind of animated and boyish in a way

2:59

I was prepared for. You were like Ronnie

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Howard, Hello Alec, I am Tom

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and this is my sister Elona, and she was like hello

3:06

Alec. There was no black

3:08

clothes and like spider webs in the

3:10

corner. The dangerous thing right You

3:13

said to me and said we are going to redefine

3:15

evil? He said exactly, And I got a chill.

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I thought, Man, if anybody's going to redefined

3:20

evil, it's you. What is horror

3:22

to you in film? In filmmaking to

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me is when you're in a situation,

3:27

you're attached to a to an asshole,

3:30

You're in a situation where you can't leave, and

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it's worse than death. You want

3:34

to die but you can't. Absolutely, where

3:37

did you first get the idea?

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It's very simple, wasn't your idea? Yeah? Definitely.

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I was watching television and there was a child

3:45

molester on and he did

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the most terrible things to two children

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and he got a very low sentence because of a

3:52

mistake they made. And I was angry,

3:55

and I said, day suit, stitch his

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mouth to the anus of a fat truck on me,

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because that would be a great bunch something

4:02

good. Out of a desire for justice

4:05

absolutely emerged, this twisted

4:07

idea of your film. Absolutely, you said

4:09

this man should have his mouth sown to

4:12

the of the famous

4:15

trunk driver, on his hands and knees because

4:17

death would be in sever his knee, like absolute,

4:20

we can't run away. Absolutely, And

4:22

then I immediately my then

4:24

girlfriend I put it on their hands and knees

4:27

and I took a picture and then I photoshopped

4:30

her behind each other. And I thought

4:32

that a great idea for a movie. This

4:35

looks amazing, But at the same time,

4:37

it's so incredibly horrifying the

4:39

idea that you have to without saying, well, I

4:41

wouldn't say swallow. You're part of a chance of a digestive

4:44

chain that happened. It's hideous. But

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in your movie, uh, this

4:48

is not an act of justice. We're not taking the child

4:50

molester. I did it show

4:52

him right your first film. There

4:54

was no justice there, and I thought I need one

4:57

of those old villains as as the

4:59

finger stign doctor almost created like

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a Peter Yeah, definitely. And can you imagine

5:03

he did over seventy films and the

5:05

guy was never cast as a horror villain

5:08

never never what did he play? Oh? Good,

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guys, it's great.

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I'm sorry. I'm really going to struggle

5:15

to keep a straight face with you. I can't

5:17

believe a funny meeting you to roll our conversations.

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But so before you made this

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movie, before you saw this

5:24

horrible child lester who was not

5:27

meeted out a proper sentence for as your concern,

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what was your childhood look in terms of film

5:31

going. I already loved horror films.

5:34

I went to the video stores and I my

5:36

parents let me rent all those horrible were your favorite

5:38

films? Could Joe from

5:41

Stephen King, all those zombie

5:43

films? Everything? I swallowed it up,

5:46

and I have this really big imagination.

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So when I was a little kid, I said, I want

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to be about to make films when I grow up.

5:54

You did, Yeah, definitely make films. A little camera When

5:56

you said my grandfather

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he came was the first film you

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mad? It was a horror film, an alien

6:02

caming out of a guy's stomach. Had you seen

6:05

the movie? Yeah, you're just kind of taking

6:07

that. You're riffing on playing

6:09

with her character. Definitely, so you

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had did you what kind of described

6:13

to us if you can in the most simple terms, But how

6:15

the other those effects work? Did you have like a

6:18

a mannequin that you had I I built those

6:20

puppets and the guy with a hand in

6:22

it coming out. I built his body

6:24

and all, of course in a simple way, but

6:27

it already works. So what did he do for a

6:29

living in? How did he die? What was the setting?

6:31

Was it a space station something or something

6:33

like that. I built my room into this giant

6:35

student. Yeah,

6:38

very low but no, but very a little

6:40

small guy at twelve or twelve yeah,

6:42

yeah, yeah, but no tour that is

6:44

already maybe. And then where do you go to

6:46

college? I went to, uh,

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the New York Film Academy. Strangely enough, I did

6:51

a course here and you came here?

6:53

Yeah, I came here? How old? Eighteen?

6:56

And I just want did your parents

6:58

something like kids always want to make films?

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Let's send him to New York because here I

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still remember there were guys from the film

7:05

industry talking about film and making film

7:07

and it got me so in enthusiastic. And

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then it was only two months and

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then I got back to Holland and I

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was hired as a television director

7:16

for the first Big Brother show in

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Holland, and I turned out I was very

7:21

good at it. So that was

7:23

the first Big Brother in the world. So

7:25

then John them all, the big owner of

7:27

a Big Brother. He thought,

7:29

yeah, you're one of our best directors, so he

7:31

sent me here. You tell American

7:33

directors taking the Big Brother program obviously,

7:36

which they do quite often. They do with Saturday Night

7:38

Live. They do all those types of programs

7:40

and they bring them to other countries and set

7:42

them up in that country. So I was going

7:45

well in television, but I always wanted to make

7:47

films. So then I my

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sister, who was in law school, she quit

7:52

god and then we started the six

7:54

Entertainment Company and we made three films

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in Holland Dutch language films.

7:59

Now. One is the Two Women are Trapped in the Department Store.

8:02

Yes, yes, absolutely, films like Honey's.

8:05

It's like Honey, Yeah, children's movie

8:07

for a little so it's Sweden innocent, okay.

8:09

So so that's the first film. The second

8:12

film, the first one was in the

8:14

gay disco Amsterdam. In that time,

8:16

I had a very famous gay scene

8:19

all over the world, and I had a couple

8:21

of friends who were gazed, and they told me those horrendous

8:23

stories about pill

8:26

popping and all the things you do in Amsterdam. But when

8:28

you're paid, popper's wild. So

8:30

I made a film about that, and

8:33

then I moved on to Honey's and then I

8:35

went on to make I Love Drees and

8:37

it's very cool. It's about a famous Dutch

8:39

singer. He plays himself and he's abducted

8:42

by two very fat

8:44

people who live in a trailer park. And

8:47

the woman is his biggest

8:49

fan. She doors the singer,

8:52

so they abducted him like misery. Absolutely,

8:54

but it gets worse. She wants

8:56

to have his baby, so he had natural

8:59

Yeah, he has to stay in the trailer until

9:01

she becomes pregnant. So the husband just

9:03

isn't capable of of of reproducer.

9:05

Absolutely, so you have to bring in a stud sort of speed.

9:07

Definitely, And this famous he's a famous musician.

9:10

Seeing in real life is a real sense. He's a handsome

9:12

guy. Yeah, there's a good looking guy. Yes, what is

9:14

his name? Roofings? Roofing.

9:17

Yes. At the time he made the movie, how old was seeing?

9:20

He was about forty I think, so he's still a

9:22

little bit of tread on the tire. He wasn't completely out

9:24

of the business. He was still young enough to have

9:26

delight his fans. How do you get

9:28

him to come and do the movie where he has to

9:30

sire the child with the more beast woman.

9:33

He thought it was for a candid

9:35

camera show. This is not real, and I said, no, it's

9:37

real. And he had to think about it for one day. What

9:39

was it about him? He thought he was game? He

9:42

had exactly that guy's Yeah,

9:44

how do you call it? He thinks he's a stud. He

9:47

does all the training and he he spit

9:49

absolutely. Yeah, So I thought this was extra

9:52

horrible if he has to make love

9:55

to this and and do you see scenes where they're

9:57

making love? Definitely? Oh my god, definitely.

9:59

How long didn't take to shoot that movie? Three

10:01

weeks? Three weeks? You're shooting that movie?

10:04

And how do you get the money for the film? Like when

10:06

you're walking into rooms and we're going to get to

10:08

this, especially with the Centipede

10:10

series, Um, how do you

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get people to give you money?

10:14

And then when you get to the distribution part, what do you

10:16

say to them? Well, Ilona as a genius

10:19

aid bring in money. So she rings the whole

10:21

We have this famous magazine in Holland

10:23

which called the Quotes, and all the rich people are in

10:25

there. So she just goes through the cellphone.

10:28

Nine of the ten people, they say you're an idiot

10:30

funk off. But like one,

10:33

there's one people that say no, but there's one

10:35

who just can't say no to Elona. Absolutely.

10:37

Then I tell the story and they are home and

10:39

they want to be in the film business. Was the film

10:41

successful, Yeah, on a on a Dutch

10:43

scale, it's a very small

10:46

Does the film make money, yes, but not

10:49

like you're I don't. I don't. I don't expect

10:51

that because that's I mean, you and I both

10:53

know that's you know, mission impossible. It's money,

10:56

but the unless you are a mission

10:58

impossible. But the um

11:01

the investors got their money back. So you did the first

11:03

two? So was the third the third one?

11:05

Yes? Right, so you did. The first one was called

11:07

gay in Amsterdam, Gay Amsterdam.

11:10

You don't really wander too much from the theme. It's Gay

11:13

in Amsterdam, honeyes honeys, which

11:15

is loaded with double long tongue, and then

11:18

uh, and then I love which

11:21

one performed the best at the box? Yeah?

11:26

Pretty much? Say they made money. Yeah, but I like

11:28

the third one. I love the absolutely

11:30

the best. That's your favor. That's the black humor.

11:33

It's dark, it's it's getting my way. What

11:35

were some of the difficulties for you in

11:37

handling the cast and what you're getting people

11:39

to do. These very compromising very

11:42

I mean, it's one thing to say

11:44

that someone's going to do a sex scene with a morbidly

11:47

obest woman and you're kind of sending up that

11:49

as horror. But the actress

11:52

who was hired to play that part, did

11:54

you have to be like overly sensitive to how she was

11:56

treated and how she felt. You have to be charming

11:58

always to actors and new situations

12:00

like that, and you are charming. Let's thank

12:03

you. And yeah, the lady I

12:05

told her how, yeah, how the scene was going to be,

12:07

and she she trusted me so much, so

12:10

she said, let's do it. I don't have any

12:12

fear or whatever. Let's do it. And and the guy

12:14

was a little bit hesitate, but I said, commandreies,

12:16

you have to do this. Your fans. They're

12:18

not really having not really but looks very,

12:21

looks very. I'm gonna go home and watch it tonight after

12:23

my wife falls asleep. That's musically what I call a midnight showing

12:25

in my house. Okay, but it's

12:30

just it's just such a delight to finally meet when

12:32

you come back to New York again. We're here for very

12:35

briefly. Yeah, fly back tomorrow. But when

12:37

you come back again as soon as possible, we need to talk

12:39

about a movie. We need to do a movie together. Let's do that.

12:42

So the movies make money, and you reward

12:44

your investors. They get some kind of uh,

12:46

you pay them, they make some kind of a profit. So

12:49

after um

12:52

gay in Amsterdam, honeys

12:55

and I love Drees, what's the next movie?

12:57

The first human centipede? Right, the first human cent and

13:00

you get the idea from the guy who gets the

13:02

low And where did you do your

13:04

casting for the film here in New York? Because I wanted

13:06

to have the lead actresses, the two girls

13:08

who undergo the procedure. Elone

13:11

and I went here to New York and we had like

13:13

like fifty or sixty women coming in.

13:15

Oh, young, young, attracted girls.

13:18

And I told them the premise and showed

13:20

them the drawings I made, and Night out

13:22

of ten said your European crazy.

13:25

They were angry at me. They didn't

13:27

know what it was about when they came in. No, you kept it

13:29

under round, absolutely right, I said, the European

13:32

horror film. You said, come in, let me explain it to you for

13:34

absolutely, because anything managers

13:37

if you do it on the email and you explain it, they won't

13:39

come. They won't come to the auditions.

13:42

So the smart sponts they stayed. They wanted

13:44

to hear more. And then you put them on their hands and

13:46

knees and a lot of them

13:48

leave. They think that's

13:51

the next round round.

13:53

Then then how many remained on their knees

13:55

and said, okay, let's go fro, Like like five

13:58

left and we chose two

14:00

in the end. Two were

14:03

absolutely troops. You have to be right.

14:05

So yeah, so they're artists, they're committed

14:08

to can you imagine, right? So they just wanted

14:10

to work with Deeter, you know, once you show them deaters real

14:12

they were like, I want to be in a movie with. So

14:15

now, both these women are very

14:17

pretty and very fit and very kind

14:19

of sexy young ladies in

14:21

in the business. And so when you're shooting the

14:23

film, what's the first

14:25

day of shooting? Do you could do ease them into

14:27

it or do you throw them right into the icy cold water.

14:30

No, we slowly started with the

14:32

car in the forest and stuff

14:34

and them getting the flat tire going through the

14:36

house. So we slowly build up for

14:38

them. Yeah, yeah, because it's it was

14:40

too much. You can imagine. They had really

14:42

really definitely, and we gave them massages

14:45

when they're on their hands and knees, and we we

14:47

really treated them really well. What exactly

14:49

did you have to do hygiene wise to make

14:52

everybody comfortable about sticking their face and

14:54

the butt of the person. Yeah, they're a little afraid

14:56

they didn't fart or something. You have to be

14:58

very careful with that you

15:00

eat. Yeah, they have there's very thin latex

15:03

between their mouths and the butts,

15:05

so it's there's something in between, of course,

15:07

but it's close. It's yeah, it's

15:09

minimals. Yeah, it's minimal, because otherwise

15:12

it would look fake. Yeah, So

15:14

they showered very well, and they

15:16

and then they would do these things and they were on their hands

15:18

and knees in the formation of the

15:20

human centipede for how many hours

15:23

a day? Would you say? Not very

15:25

long. It's like we shoot like ten minutes

15:27

and then they break, take a break, take a break,

15:29

and then we put them back again. How

15:31

many days were they in the centipede mode?

15:35

Almost four weeks on their hands

15:37

and knees in the centipede. No, that's

15:39

three weeks. I think three weeks of that sounds

15:42

like hell yeah, it's three days would be

15:44

more than I could bear it. When we do are moving

15:46

together, no more than three days of centipede type

15:48

of not

15:51

going to happen. So when the

15:53

time comes to distribute

15:55

the film, yes, you get minimal distribution.

15:57

Correct. I have seen it's a by

16:00

the Ye know who was the

16:02

executive dealt with it? I have? I have it?

16:04

Is Jonathan Sei. Yeah,

16:06

Jonathan Yeah, wonderful

16:08

filmmaker, film executive, brave

16:10

guys like you. He loved

16:13

he got it. Absolutely. It was rageous

16:15

and entertaining. What happened. We showed

16:18

the first center Pete at the

16:20

Fright Fest and in London, Yeah, and it exploded

16:23

there really all the people

16:25

who started talking about it. And then Fantastic

16:27

Fest in America they call

16:30

There's in Austin, Texas and they

16:32

played it there and there it exploded again.

16:34

And then Jonathan came to us, I

16:36

have to have that film. I have absolutely. Yeah.

16:38

And you made some money, Yeah it made money?

16:41

Yeah, definitely. You you you distribute the movie

16:43

and the movie played in theaters for how

16:45

long and in what parts of the world because it was banned

16:47

in many places. In Germany it is banned

16:49

in in England it's It's

16:51

got and stuff. A lot lot of banned in Germany.

16:54

Yeah yeah, definitely Foreters Family that they

16:56

didn't have to be put through that, you know. And New

16:58

Zealand Part two is banned. So there's a lot of

17:01

banning going around. But where

17:03

did the film do well? Where where's the audience?

17:06

America and a lot of Tom's six movies

17:09

in England, America and Japan

17:11

Japan is really they crave

17:13

a good, nasty, definitely horror

17:15

movie, and they react very differently

17:18

when they see the film. They cheer, They

17:20

are so happy they cheering.

17:22

Yeah yeah, and they immediately went

17:25

on their hands and knees and they wanted me to be play

17:27

Deeter and Crazy and I love

17:29

it. They do these like tributes

17:32

Rocky Horror. Oh yeah, they do. They get

17:34

to they form humans sent to be chains outside the

17:36

theater and here here as well. In Americans,

17:41

how David's pate he made his Halloween costume

17:44

with Sarah Silverman in the back. I

17:46

believe I saw pictures of that coming along

17:48

in America. It's pretty It's on the

17:50

Conan O'Brien show. I saw it now,

17:53

Um, the movie is distributed. What

17:55

year The Humans Sent come out? In two thousand ten?

17:57

It came out, not that long ago, two centen

18:00

It comes out and you get these scathing

18:02

reviews and people say you're insane, lots

18:06

of that. Did you really oh yeah, yeah, lots

18:08

of that. Did you need to like beefed up security

18:10

in your life? With part two?

18:12

When we had the premiere in America, we had

18:14

a guy that's because we

18:16

got pictures of guys

18:19

with guns and they say, you're worse than Satan.

18:22

We're gonna share Humans in

18:24

Part two in America? Where was that? Austin, Texas?

18:26

Austin, Yes, that was a big event.

18:28

Pretty cool. What was the theatrical run

18:30

to run for a few weeks? A few weeks? Definitely go

18:33

on your streaming online. Where did

18:35

you make most of you? Just so people understand how when

18:37

a movie like this, which is very potent and

18:39

very ugly, when torture porn,

18:42

as you know, is that it's been used to describe a lot

18:44

of your work. And I want to get to that in a second.

18:46

When the movie is is get such a strong

18:48

reaction, I'm assuming it's in and out of the theater

18:51

relatively quickly. Yeah, definitely, And you're online

18:53

and yeah, po d that works the best. And

18:56

is that where you made your money? Yes,

18:58

and the movie was a success. I nancial definitely

19:01

decided to do the second one. Yes, the second

19:04

one. Let's just say,

19:06

I think it's a masterpiece. It's a work of art because

19:08

it's just this idea that I've never in my

19:10

life. I mean, I'm sitting there going, oh God, no, I

19:12

mean we're watching the opening scenes. A man who

19:15

works in a parking garage, who

19:17

is a lonely, miserable, misshapen,

19:20

kind of cloven hooved man is

19:22

there watching your original

19:25

film on his computer and getting the idea that

19:27

he's going to recreate the movie.

19:29

So in the movie part two,

19:32

you summon back the actresses.

19:35

Which of the two actresses was the one that came back? Jenny?

19:38

She came back because he calls

19:40

her and says, we're gonna go another round. We're gonna

19:42

do the sequel. What was the phone call like

19:44

for you to call Ashland to come back for round?

19:46

It was it easy at those very easy. I skype

19:48

with her and she was so overwhelmed with the success

19:51

of part one. She yeah, she

19:53

got. Yeah, she was a star in

19:55

her in the horror Yeah,

19:58

definitely. So I said, actually

20:00

we have to part two. And then I told her what

20:02

it was about, and she had to swallow a few times

20:04

because it's way worse than in part

20:07

one. There's really a picnic

20:09

in the park part one. But she's

20:11

such a trooper she said let's do it, and

20:13

she never complained. And if you see what happens

20:15

to her in the film, yeah stuff.

20:19

Who's the actress the kind of crow

20:21

like woman that plays Martin's mother, Vivian

20:24

Britton, that's in a Vivian Britain is

20:26

the actress Brita Britton, a

20:28

British actress, And I love her, very

20:30

old lady but wonderful because

20:33

when he gets out of the bed and his belly

20:35

sticking out like a globe and he's

20:37

in his bed as moldy bed,

20:41

yeah, and the mother's like, you know, uh,

20:43

you wonder what's kept the mother from like just poisoning

20:46

him or just shooting him in his sleep and getting rid of

20:48

him. It's all so sad, you

20:50

know what I mean? Who's your production designer?

20:52

Who who creates the

20:55

tableau that is Martin's bedroom?

20:57

I do that myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

21:03

yeah, Martin would

21:05

live. Yeah, definitely. We go

21:07

out for a location hunting and I think this

21:10

is the place and it's a basement apart.

21:12

Definitely. Yeah, I'm shitty dread

21:14

and yeah, yeah I

21:17

love that. Yeah, he's popping pimples and it's

21:19

all over the bed too, every kind of body

21:22

fluid is oozed into the sheets. Yeah. I

21:24

like your mind. Yeah, you know, it's just you can si see.

21:26

It's all there. You know. That's the thing with your movies, is it's

21:28

all there. You know. Theater's apartment is very

21:31

neat and gleaming. It's not the castle

21:33

but like wet stones, and it's like this

21:35

very gleaming modern edifice, I mean

21:38

and hum And when you go down to the laboratory,

21:40

it's very gleaming and neat and clean. That

21:43

was your idea, absolutely. Yeah. What was the

21:45

doctor's name in the first film, Doctor Hyder,

21:48

And it's in a combination of two real Nazi

21:50

doctors from the Second World. Yeah,

21:53

that's it's it's based on the with the twins

21:55

idea, but it's Dr Him and Dr Richter,

21:58

and I made it into Hyder and

22:00

Richter become hight what

22:02

did Hyman Richter dore their camp doctors

22:05

as well. But there's a stop with that. We

22:07

don't want We don't want to go too far. Key

22:11

to the darkness in any horror film

22:14

is the editing, the claustrophobia,

22:17

the sense that something someone is

22:19

lurking just off camera. Editing

22:22

can make a mediocre film good and

22:24

a good film great. One

22:26

of the best film editors in the business,

22:29

as Martin Scor says, he's longtime collaborator

22:32

Thelma Schoonmaker. The thing is, you see

22:34

that we create that violence in the

22:36

editing room. There's no way that DeNiro

22:39

could take an actual punch all

22:41

the times you see it in in the

22:43

film, blood and saliva would spray

22:46

off it. But it's not actually

22:48

violent. When I get it, I make it violent.

22:51

Here the rest of our conversation in

22:54

our archive at Here's the Thing

22:56

dot org. When we come

22:58

back. Humans Centipede creator

23:01

Tom six explains what he's

23:03

doing next. Where the Human Centipede

23:05

trilogy is body Horror. Six

23:08

says his upcoming film deals

23:10

in pure psychological horror.

23:23

This is Alec Baldwin and you were listening

23:25

to Here's the Thing. If

23:28

you watch the first two installments

23:30

of the Human Centipede series. The

23:32

first thing you notice is the stark

23:34

contrast between the two villains,

23:37

Deeter Laser, the domineering

23:39

aristocrat, versus the Misshape

23:41

and miscreant Lawrence are Harvey.

23:44

Director Tom six explains

23:47

the difference is that Deeter he had like a

23:49

huge career. He did seventy films

23:51

and he's a big serious actor, stage

23:54

actor as well. What about the actor that played Martin again,

23:56

what's his name, Lawrence are Harvey. He

23:58

did like very little things. Yeah, he

24:00

did donut commercials, exactly very

24:03

small things. You mentioned in an interview

24:05

that I watched, when you said you wanted to cast someone

24:07

who was the opposite of Deeter.

24:10

The doctor in the original film is this gleaming

24:13

kind of an intense genius, and

24:15

he's this very eccentric and even

24:17

aristocratic figure. And Martin

24:20

is just like, you know, like somebody expectorated

24:22

on the ground. He's just a blob of the disease

24:25

written blob. But that guy, I

24:28

when I saw his appearance, I said, he doesn't

24:30

have to speak in the film, it's just his his presence

24:33

is so strong. Well, Deeter

24:35

is very trained in performing with words,

24:38

and theater, very

24:40

commanding, very powerful. He should play fun

24:42

carry on in the film. He looks like he reminded me of fun

24:45

carry on. So, um, what did you

24:47

cut out of the film that you didn't put in that was even? Is

24:49

there a point where even you sit there and go, we have to

24:51

lose that it's just too much. I put everything in, everything

24:54

that comes to my mind, and I put in the script

24:56

is in it, and you shoot it, and then you cut

24:58

it, and that's in the film. Yeah. Yeah, I shoot

25:00

very economic, so I should

25:02

exactly what I want because there's

25:05

no scene you shoot when you say, oh my god,

25:07

Elona, even I have gone too far. I

25:09

like in Part two, the famous rape scene

25:11

and the guy puts the barber around his

25:14

penis and then rapes his centipede.

25:16

That's the most groups of part in the film.

25:19

And we were shooting that and half of the crew they

25:21

went crying and they walked away, and

25:23

I was like cheering from this

25:25

looked brilliant. It's like a symphony.

25:28

It's almost yeah. And then I looked behind me and all

25:30

those people were gone. They left, they left. He couldn't

25:32

they couldn't take it. Wow, And I what

25:34

was it like with the crew, Like, did you feel the crew

25:37

respected you and the way? Remember,

25:40

not all directors are respected. The movie could

25:42

be you know, a love story or

25:44

a musical comedy or whatever. It doesn't matter.

25:46

Not all directors are respected by the crew. Trust

25:48

me, But did you find that your crew

25:50

did respect you? Sit there and go behind

25:53

your back? They go. They probably

25:56

have said it, but maybe because of the of the charm.

25:58

Maybe, and because I'm entusiastic,

26:01

I bring them into the story and the

26:03

adventure and I tell them they know exactly

26:05

what's well contagious. Yeah,

26:08

maybe, and they they stand there and they

26:10

see it and they laugh. For example, part

26:12

one, we had a scene where the centerpieces shipping

26:15

for the first time and he had

26:17

feet or feeder, and he filmed

26:19

that house in a suburban area

26:21

where other houses were around it and

26:23

people were hanging out of their windows looking

26:26

at this those scenes and were horrified.

26:28

But the crew was laughing. Everybody was

26:30

laughing. Yeah, you can imagine a situation

26:33

like that, Yeah, well kind

26:35

of. I completely

26:38

Now. So number three I have not

26:41

seen, and I do think

26:43

I should see it, definitely, because I was told

26:45

everybody that was the weakest of the three I don't. I

26:47

don't think obviously, because

26:49

this is where the couple of analogy goes even

26:52

further, because obviously this Godfather one, then

26:54

Godfather too goes to another level that a lot of

26:56

people thought Godfather three was a let down. It's

26:59

the best one of all three. It's a satire.

27:01

I go back to my original punishment

27:03

idea, and it's for the prisons.

27:06

So I I translated to a real situation

27:08

where if you do something horrible, you go to

27:12

a prison, you're sewn into a human centipede,

27:15

and according to your sentence, you put

27:17

in it for a week or maybe twenty years.

27:20

So the centipede thing is the sentence

27:22

you've been talking about. This is getting back to definitely

27:24

the original idea. I

27:27

think crime rates will drop

27:29

like pants in a whorehouse because nobody

27:31

wants to be in a human centipede.

27:34

Yeah, I think so. I don't think they live, actually,

27:36

I think I think. I think medically you die

27:38

and be oh no. I I consulted a real

27:40

doctor in Holland, and he made

27:43

He said that people were to pass their waste

27:45

product into your mouth and into your bloodstream

27:47

and your into your digester truck. You would live. Yeah,

27:50

if they get vitamin injections and fluids,

27:53

they could live like that for a long time because

27:55

it's not how long, it's not for a long

27:57

long time. If you get the right long

28:00

enough to survive their sentence. Definitely, because

28:02

the thesis is not attacked

28:05

by outside bacteria, right, because

28:07

it's contained. Yeah, it's stays in one

28:09

constantly. Absolutely, Yeah, you're

28:11

given this a lot of thought. Oh yeah, the doctor

28:13

helped me for a very easet. You had gastro

28:16

entrologists consulting you, a real surgeon

28:19

in Holland who wanted to stay anonymous,

28:22

but he made this very detailed operation

28:24

report and he was on the set as

28:26

well helping. Oh my god, it's pretty cool.

28:28

That's that's why. Well, cool is not the word.

28:30

I wank nobody movie you. I mean,

28:33

I want you to you you're you're You're

28:35

free to say whatever you want to say. How long

28:37

did that take to shoot? That was about six weeks.

28:40

That was our longer shoot because we had like hundreds

28:42

of extract prison. Yeah, big

28:45

prison. And of course you had a star in the lead

28:47

role. Definitely, Eric Eric Roberts.

28:49

So Eric Roberts is one of the great movie actors.

28:51

In the past several years, and I worked with him once on a

28:53

film. How do you get Eric Roberts

28:55

to come and do the third installment? We

28:57

had a skype conversation with him. He

29:00

loved the first like you would love the first. Yeah,

29:02

he got he got it. I said,

29:04

yeah, you want to be in part three? And I

29:06

said, if I don't have to be on my hands and

29:08

knees centipede me, No, exactly,

29:11

Yeah, And he did it. And he was governor of the

29:13

state, so he's his prison is

29:15

in the Is he the one that comes up to the idea of centipeding

29:18

everybody? No, that's the accountant

29:20

of the warden comes and who plays that? That's

29:23

Lawrence R. Harvey. I brought back Lawrence Harvey

29:25

came back. Yeah, then I got to see this Harvey

29:28

and Deeter is in it. Deeter

29:31

is the warden and Lawrence R. Harvey is his assistant.

29:34

That's like getting Marlon Brando and denro

29:36

to be in Part three together. That's true in totally

29:39

different roles, in totally different roles,

29:41

completely on and and Eric plays

29:44

the governor of the state. And what is his what's

29:47

his arc, what's his story? That this person

29:49

is is really cost inefficient.

29:52

So there he's looking for solutions. Yeah,

29:54

he threads to shut the place down.

29:56

And then you guys figure it out absolutely, and they come

29:58

up with an idea under pressure and built

30:00

the centipede system, which

30:02

is very cost anybody.

30:05

And then the governor comes in and he's of course,

30:07

he says this, this will

30:09

be the death penalty for you, but in the end

30:12

he understands your situation and then he says,

30:14

this is exactly what America needs. Yeah,

30:17

like that's yeah, you

30:19

should check it out if you want. It's I

30:22

think it's the best one. Did you have to pay Roberts

30:24

some real money to do the movie? I may can't imagine he's

30:26

cheap. It's not like Hollywood

30:28

money because there's some millions of docause

30:32

those guys don't come cheap. Definitely. Now,

30:34

Um, so you and I connect on Skype

30:36

with your sister. Yes, no, is

30:38

she really your sister? Or you say she's your sister,

30:41

it's really she's really like your co producer. And you say

30:43

she's your sister just to further ingrace you yourself

30:45

with that she's my sister. So that kind of takes it

30:48

makes it a little family business. Yeah, it is

30:50

a family business. Yes, she's

30:52

literally your sister. Yes, okay, I take your

30:54

word for yes. Were you and I hook up on Skype?

30:57

I reach out to you? Yeah, yeah, I say, Mike,

30:59

I just kind of talk to this guy. You say

31:01

to me, Alec, We're going to have a group of people

31:03

who are like a league of extraordinary

31:06

villains, and they're all people who are dedicated.

31:08

They love human suffering. The original

31:11

concept for Onnania Club. They were all wealthy

31:13

because because so they could fly to like to Mexico

31:16

as an earthquake and see death and destruction

31:18

and people dying and suffering. And then you say

31:20

to me, I want you. I like to play a

31:22

oncologists, but rather than

31:25

killing the cancer, you are giving people

31:27

more cancer. And to tear a page

31:30

out of your own life. We're going

31:32

to have your wife be much younger than you, very beautiful,

31:34

very fit, and you are giving your wife's the cancer.

31:36

You're killing your wife. So I'm sitting

31:38

there and I tell my wife this, and my wife like literally looks

31:41

at me. If you saw the look at my wife's face, she was like, the

31:43

whole dream of me working with you just died in that

31:45

one. My wife looked

31:47

at me like, that's never gonna happen. You are never to be in

31:50

within fifty miles of this guy. He sounds

31:52

a complete total nutbag. And I don't even

31:54

want that energy on you when you come home from work.

31:56

So I know you should see him. He's very charming, I'm

31:59

very a brilliant And she

32:01

says, no, you can't do the movie. So

32:03

then we're talking to say, okay, Alex. So here's another

32:05

idea. One of the people in the in the film is

32:08

going to steal the corpses

32:10

of celebrities. So I want you to come and

32:12

shoot for one day, and you're going to play yourself

32:15

dead in the casket. And the woman started

32:17

chasing out the joint to figure out the width of the door, framed

32:20

how she's gonna get the body out of there, and you play yourself

32:22

dead, And I thought, fantastic, And then I couldn't

32:24

even make that day work. Is all that's still

32:26

in the movie. It's all in the movie. So so it's so

32:29

the League of Extraordinary Villains, you know, Nanny

32:31

equip as men and women. It's you know, I change

32:33

it to all women, that all women,

32:35

Yes, And that's even scarier because

32:38

when women women who masturbate

32:41

on the misery of other people and then masturbate

32:43

to suffer. Yeah, exactly, So it's

32:45

yeah, it's the worst human emotion.

32:48

It's shatter and freud, yes, which

32:50

happens in real life. Well but

32:52

in the film, yeah,

32:55

definitely. But it's dark and powerful.

32:58

And have you redefined evil? Yeah?

33:00

I think so, I think so. Yeah. How many of

33:02

the women are in the league? How many actresses

33:04

did you have to give? Five? Five women?

33:07

And where are they from? American American actresses

33:09

or anybody we would know? No big names?

33:11

No, who's the most well known? Jessica Morris

33:13

is maybe the Jessica Morris is your name? She

33:16

does a series on television and stuff. And

33:19

was it difficult for you to entice people to come do this

33:21

movie? Was very you can imagine

33:23

because like you, I told them the story

33:26

and so many were offended leave

33:29

the room. Yeah, almost the same. And

33:31

the smart ones they stay and they want to listen

33:33

more. I love you, I

33:36

love you. The people who understand who are

33:38

the smart ones? They stay? That's the

33:40

name of your biography out It's an

33:42

analogy for the film going

33:44

audience and everyone who works

33:47

with you the smart ones they stay so

33:50

of them aren't so smart? And you shoot for how

33:52

many weeks? We shot? Almost a

33:54

month? Again? A little bit the same where

33:57

in the Hollywood Hills we had this beautiful was

33:59

the budget of the film? But was

34:01

it? I am not allowed to talk about

34:03

money, but she she's the money girl. It's

34:08

a secret. Well we won't say anything, but we'll

34:10

hold up some fingers, so so I can have an idea. This

34:13

much you can't,

34:16

okay, how how

34:20

international Woman of Mystery? Yes,

34:22

but you shoot in l A. No union

34:25

issues. It's all non

34:27

union, of course. But have you never had any of the unions

34:30

come and bother you because they know your name, they

34:32

know who you were if they see and they monitor these

34:34

things. But there's a casting call and you've

34:36

got American actress, actress going to do a film.

34:39

Sag doesn't show up and and and hassle, you

34:41

know, because the actors has also worked non

34:43

union, so they they specially if they were not

34:45

in the union. Off they are some are how

34:47

do you call the five corps? They can they can do

34:50

no outside, they can do some some

34:52

non us some percentage of exactly. Now,

34:55

are you glad to get away from the centerpet thing that

34:57

that's done. Yeah, that's done. Four

35:00

never ever will I makes

35:03

well fast?

35:05

No? No, but I have so many

35:07

more ideas. My head is exploding.

35:10

So the on Anya Club is

35:12

so very new, fresh, original. That's

35:14

what I like, and that's where I go for.

35:17

When she saw The Lost Cat I did, she was

35:19

overwhelmed with how powerful it was. It's

35:22

evil, it's really evil when you're

35:24

watching a movie like Frankenstein. Yes, there's

35:27

some moments of humanity if you will, or

35:29

decency in the world itself,

35:31

definitely, and in your movies there's none now.

35:34

And like Martin has some humanity,

35:36

don't you think because he was abused as a kid, he

35:39

has some you you pity him?

35:41

Said, The audience feels for him, not everybody.

35:44

And there's a lot of black humor in my films.

35:46

A lot of people see that, not all of them, Uh,

35:50

moments of decency And yeah, definitely it's

35:53

humanity, otherwise it won't work. I think

35:55

it's it's it's balancences between humanity,

35:58

real evil and also dark humor. Not everybody

36:01

sees her, but it's yeah,

36:03

it's it's a difficult road to walk

36:05

on for an audience. I think

36:08

it's like sex in the City, but then

36:10

on evil steroids, it's it's

36:12

evil. It's sex in the city. Yeah, did

36:15

the five women, but now there was four and sex.

36:18

Yeah, okay, it's a bonus,

36:20

a bonus sexless city plus one.

36:22

She enters the group the fifth one, you bringing?

36:25

You bring it in the film? Yeah, definitely. Well

36:27

that's a wonderful setup for maybe a political

36:29

thriller you can do where the doctor is someone

36:32

who you go to to cure cancer

36:34

and they're only giving you more cancer. That reminds

36:36

me of certain political figures in this country today, wouldn't

36:38

you say? Absolutely? And when they

36:40

don't have cancer, she just tells them Dave cancer

36:42

just to witness there as

36:46

well. And her she's

36:49

she's lesbian. Now in the film, she has his beautiful

36:51

girlfriend who is this smoothie drinking,

36:54

very healthy girl, and she hates

36:56

that she she looks at it. She

36:58

wants to destroy every healthy and in the

37:00

moment she she gets sick, their

37:03

sex life goes to the roof. You can imagine

37:06

what's your next movie? I

37:08

have two line top and I can't

37:10

tell about Yeah, but the evil

37:12

films as well, Yeah, the evil Yeah,

37:16

yeah, yeah, did you did? It might not be your genre,

37:18

though it might, it might not be evil enough. I

37:20

mean I have a great idea. I think it's a great idea of my idea.

37:23

Everybody loves it, but nobody wants to make it. Where's

37:26

my Alona? I

37:29

would love to work with you. Stay

37:33

tuned. I might eventually re

37:35

redefine evil alongside

37:38

my guest human center being creator Tom

37:40

six. His upcoming film is

37:42

called The Onnania Club, out

37:45

early two thousand nineteen. This

37:48

is Alec Baldwin and you're listening

37:50

to Here's the Thing to

38:05

be co