In the previous episode, my dad told his story about flying jets in the Air Force before earning his Masters and Doctorate degrees in theology. What he hasn't told you yet was that a college recruiter told him he was not smart enough to even get accepted into the Air Force Academy, let alone fly a plane.

In Part 2 of this interview, I talk with my dad about how he faced the fear of failure, proved the recruiter wrong, and how to balance creativity with structure and tradition.