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Sweet dreams, amazing. 38

2:44

four hour news 38 Brady Gillum went to Sturgis

2:46

tonight to speak with the missing woman's

2:48

mother about what may have happened

2:51

to her daughter.

2:53

I can tell you 38 she most likely is.

2:57

I hadn't seen anybody that I felt comfortable

2:59

saying anything too. 38

3:02

today.

3:03

The stories they tell are pretty fun. They're

3:05

pretty freaking gruesome. I

3:08

kept all the 38 that his Facebook

3:11

messages, assistant messages between

3:13

me and Brittany's. I have all of them. I

3:16

have everything.

3:18

I told myself kill all of them motherfuckers,

3:21

and I was gonna have my people fucking

3:23

take care of 38.

3:25

I'll just stay pretty staying out of nowhere just to

3:27

see what somebody says. Is this

3:30

little town road here to be hard to hike

3:32

so far, but because eventually everything

3:34

comes 38.

3:37

To me, some these, I don't believe anything happened

3:39

to ride this lot. This

3:43

is Hytenc season three.

3:45

I'm your 38, James Baysinger.

3:59

Hey, guys. On

4:01

Saturday, March eleventh, friends

4:04

of the hide and seek podcast held a peaceful rally

4:06

at the Saint Joseph County Sheriff's 38, to

4:08

raise awareness for Britney, support

4:10

her family, and remind the community

4:12

that Britney is still missing and still

4:14

missed. The unprecedented outpouring

4:17

of support both in person and via livestream

4:20

was truly an incredible 38. I

4:23

38 you guys many times that I select missing individuals

4:25

who receive little to no media attention, so

4:29

time to give credit where credit is due. We'd

4:32

like to give a shout out to the Sturgis Journal.

4:34

Mike 38 at ninety nine point 3WBET,

4:37

ninety five point 9WLKM,

4:40

the 38 at

4:43

Wood TV eight Kalamazoo and WWMT3

4:46

and Grand Rapids. On

4:48

behalf of 38 family, friends

4:50

and all of us on the 38 and seek team. We

4:52

38 extend her most sincere thank you for giving 38

4:55

Wallace the attention she deserves. Thank

4:58

you 38 everyone who attended in

5:00

person and via livestream. As

5:03

they say, it only takes

5:05

one voice at the right pitch to start an avalanche.

5:17

She was a loving mother. She was a

5:19

loving 38, loving daughter.

5:22

Her grand had a bond that can't

5:25

even imagine them.

5:30

She loved her babies more

5:32

than anything. She was a never 38 her

5:34

dad, her grandma, her baby. And

5:37

I made peaceful stuff back that she's

5:39

gone. I can't make these with

5:41

the fact that she's we

5:43

don't know what happened. So that's

5:45

all I want to hear what anybody did.

5:47

really don't care 38 give us give

5:49

us closure. Reserve

5:54

justice. Because

5:57

of 38,

5:59

and I couldn't express my feelings off

6:02

the upper end or share, 38 I will

6:04

try my best. My

6:06

sister and I were a lot 38. But one thing

6:08

you never agreed with was her addiction. Even

6:11

though her addiction, she was still human and

6:13

did not deserve whatever happened to her deserves

6:16

38 to bring health. Our family

6:18

deserves to bring poverty and very

6:20

happy health health health health. I will go

6:22

to person who will be available to

6:24

do. I

6:34

got that girlfriend keeps feeling that she was

6:36

nervous. I

6:40

think about her every single day. In

6:42

a sense daily that I can refer to

6:45

when things are bad as a little sister should

6:47

be able to

6:47

do. I

6:49

reserve the opportunities that it didn't take

6:51

to see her. I didn't have the opportunity

6:54

to get air to who that used the horses,

6:56

but she doesn't have the opportunity to

6:58

be here to my funeral office. My

7:01

boys who never know that ever 38. I

7:04

celebrate her birthday every year

7:06

by putting a purple 38 up to Sky.

7:08

I will forever keep her memory alive.

7:11

At London, miss missus 38, more than anyone

7:13

will ever know.

7:16

Through the gun, the bad, and the ugly.

7:19

I could always count on her. She

7:21

gave me the feeling of family, and I missed that.

7:24

If I close my eyes, I can still hear her continued

7:26

laughter. My

7:28

children will never experience the love, compassion,

7:31

or energy that her thing was. To

7:34

the person or people who

7:36

may be responsible for this 38. You

7:38

have no conscience.

7:40

You have no hearth. 38

7:43

remembered Britney. Remember her for

7:45

that little girl in the shower room.

7:49

Okay, miss Bob. Thank you,

7:51

everybody, for coming. I hope you could speak again.

7:53

You have a very good energy. I

7:58

appreciate you all so much for being here. This is

8:00

the best of what we hope ever. First,

8:04

I want to read from James

8:07

zero. First

8:10

and foremost, the high density podcasts would like

8:12

to thank the communities of Saint Joseph County

8:14

for their interest and overwhelming 38,

8:16

and our investigators 38 into the disappearance

8:18

of Brittany Wallace. We want to thank

8:21

Jackie for organized Israeli. And

8:23

all of you for coming together today

8:25

is Can I please go away to encourage

8:27

our folks to renew their

8:29

commitment to do more

8:31

family and the community? As

8:34

you see, I've blacked ours with Britney's family

8:36

and her friends. Both old

8:39

and new 38 to acknowledge her

8:41

sincere concerns for your community.

8:44

It's because of this that we're making a commitment

8:46

saying to continue our investigation

8:48

in pursuit of answers and justice for 38 Wallace,

8:50

keep the bond by our burning friends,

8:54

That being said, I would

8:56

like to thank law enforcement for what they have done

8:58

from from Opus' wife. 38

9:01

feel like is we is it everybody's going

9:03

to go to the community now. So one person

9:05

searching 38 two people searching now with

9:07

with Alex being in come

9:10

together and and work with that enforcement. Hopefully,

9:14

well, everybody's information and all of us looking

9:16

forward together, we can, you know, find some answers.

9:20

This is Bert going into the stupid year, my daughter

9:23

has been missing. This is We've

9:25

38 find some answers It

9:28

was very very nice.

9:33

My daughter was a full full

9:35

of joy, full of her. She had

9:38

she had a very contagious smile and very

9:40

contagious laughter. I

9:42

was supposed to have a little girl, when

9:45

I first followed her and I looked at her,

9:47

and I was a little she was

9:49

stuck with her eyes. It's a huge smile.

9:52

So let's see what's gonna give her in fact

9:54

money.

9:59

George, that's the first party show.

10:02

Stop the yard. That's right.

10:04

What? Let's walk the yard 38 show

10:06

her that we're here for her. And,

10:08

38, With

10:14

knowledge comes responsibility, we

10:18

have knowledge they're more likely

10:20

than 38, that a crime has

10:22

been committed against Britney. But

10:26

also, the Primes have been committed against

10:29

this case. We

10:31

know that social Britney's social media

10:33

accounts phone accounts and other personal

10:35

accounts have been illegally accessed.

10:40

Several of those accounts have been tampered

10:42

with, and we know most

10:44

likely by whom. We

10:48

know there are questionable alibites for

10:50

those who were allegedly close

10:53

to Brittany's.

10:55

are conflicting accounts as to

10:57

the whereabouts of those people on

11:00

the 38, Britney went missing. And

11:02

we know that at least

11:04

one person had in

11:07

their possession to receive

11:09

of Britney's last purchase

11:12

from a gas station less than

11:14

two and a half hours before

11:16

she vanished. This

11:20

knowledge comes responsibility, and

11:22

we have this knowledge. And

11:24

now 38 becomes our response ability

11:28

as a community to

11:30

step up and lock

11:32

arms with Britney's family and

11:35

firmly encourage law enforcement to

11:37

act on all information. Please

11:42

and evidence that the hide and seek

11:44

podcast is brought forward.

11:46

To law enforcement, going forward,

11:49

we implore you to do the file following

11:51

if it has not already been done.

11:57

Subpoena all film records social

11:59

media and 38 accounts belonging

12:02

to husband and

12:05

the woman who claimed to be

12:07

Britney's best friend. That

12:12

same individual admitted

12:14

to illegally accessing 38

12:17

social media accounts, phone accounts,

12:19

and other person accounts. As

12:24

criminal in accordance, the

12:26

the following: A, tampering

12:28

with evidence. 38 to

12:30

MCL seven fifty

12:33

four eighty 3A5A.

12:37

We're holding evidence pursuing

12:40

to MCL 750483A6A.

12:47

Hendering and investigation 38

12:50

to seven fifty four seventy

12:52

eight a Identity

12:55

38, pursuant to section

12:58

seven fifty dot 539K.

13:02

And finally, four, conduct

13:04

an official interview with

13:07

Britney's estranged husband and

13:09

thoroughly investigate his whereabouts

13:12

on the evening of eleven thirty

13:15

two thousand and eighteen. In

13:18

closing, we would like to say

13:20

that we believe this case

13:22

can be solved. And

13:26

as a community, we need to

13:29

be locked in arms and

13:31

speak up and make our voices heard

13:36

Somebody knows the identity of the

13:38

male who was accompanying 38 tonight, she

13:40

went missing. 38

13:44

time for the public to speak up.

13:49

We want justice for Britney Wallace.

13:51

We want justice for her family. 38

13:55

time. For law enforcement to

13:57

act. 38

14:03

time to bring Britney home,

14:05

and it is time for justice

14:08

for Britney. Thank

14:10

you. 38.

14:37

Joseph is already.

15:03

Now, let's dive into today's

15:05

episode.

15:09

Last week, you heard my conversation with

15:11

rabbit. His attitude towards me

15:13

was nothing less than cooperative. Some

15:16

of you might be wondering if I shared the names Robert

15:18

requested I'd not share. I'll

15:21

inform you that those names didn't make the

15:23

episode. I

15:25

asked rabbit about his conversation between him and

15:28

Eric the night Britney went missing in the days

15:30

after. 38 maintains

15:32

his position and says that the reason he filmed

15:34

a lookalike vehicle of Sheldon's was

15:37

because he felt it was law enforcement monitoring

15:39

his actions. Now,

15:42

the reason 38 sends this video specifically

15:44

to Eric, I

15:46

can't say. What

15:49

I can say is that we'll leave it

15:51

up to each of you to formulate your own conclusion.

15:56

One more point we want to touch on before closing

15:58

up this magician's hat. On

16:01

November thirtieth, the night was

16:03

missing. At eleven forty

16:06

PM, Eric 38 two people.

16:09

38 responds to a text from Sheldon and says,

16:11

I didn't know what to tell you, bud.

16:14

Sorry. I haven't been talking to her.

16:17

Ask what shit she had for me. 38

16:19

was it. Second,

16:23

he reaches out to rabbit. Hey,

16:25

bro. Get a hold of me when you can.

16:29

As we're connecting the dots here, this

16:32

is one of those instances that appears to be a

16:34

coincidence.

16:35

38 as my partner in crime, Sarah says,

16:39

there is no such thing as coincidence,

16:41

only the illusion of coincidence. 38

16:45

and I have a conversation the next day,

16:48

but it's nothing new. It's

16:50

redundant, and I see no value in playing

16:52

it. This is where

16:54

my time with rabbit comes to an end.

16:58

38 I will say is that rabbit

17:00

seems only to be interested in being 38. If

17:02

I'm committed to painting him as

17:05

a modern day Sonya L'Speccio. Sonya

17:08

L'Speccio, as a character from the movie,

17:10

a Bronk's 38, It's the coming

17:13

of age story of a young kid who witnesses

17:15

a murder. 38 keeps quiet about

17:17

the assailant's identity. The

17:19

assailant is something with speculation.

17:23

Over the next several years, Sunny takes

17:25

on the role of mentor teaching in the secrets

17:27

of organized crime. Sunny

17:29

is well respected in his neighborhood. He's

17:32

charming. And he's viewed

17:34

as a hometown hero kinda criminal. I

17:37

understand the appeal, but I'm not

17:39

interested in painting rabbit or Eric with a

17:41

paintbrush dipped in hero paint. Some

17:44

boys grew up in the men who look at themselves

17:46

in the mirror every morning. Confident

17:49

that they're living every day making the right choices.

17:52

And then there's others. We just

17:54

go along with the crowd

17:56

forgetting. They ever had choice to be better.

18:00

In the last episode, Rabbit tells me he

18:02

doesn't think Jade will talk. 38

18:04

Rabbit didn't know was that my initial contact

18:07

with Jade was back in March of twenty twenty two

18:09

when she agreed to speak with me. We

18:12

make arrangements to speak. But the day

18:14

comes and goes and there's no contact from Jade.

18:17

No response to my follow-up messages either.

18:20

For now, I'll lose faith and chalk

18:22

it up to another instance of someone not following

18:24

through with their word. It's

18:26

not until rabbit tells me Jade is

18:28

in the Grange 38 jail. That we look

18:30

up her criminal background. And

18:34

what do you know? Jade

18:37

was arrested in March of twenty twenty two.

18:40

38 around the time I messaged her. Gotta

18:43

have faith right. So

18:45

I make arrangements to speak with JV a video

18:47

chat. She shows up

18:50

and she's on time.

18:56

Jade. Right? Yes. Yeah.

18:58

How you been? I've been good. How are you?

19:02

Oh, so you must have got

19:05

locked 38 long after.

19:07

Okay.

19:08

Yeah. I did.

19:09

Okay.

19:09

It wasn't my plans, but you know what?

19:12

It's okay. I'm

19:14

doing okay. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good.

19:16

Good. Well, let me properly introduce myself.

19:19

I'm James basing. Right? I do

19:21

the hide and seek podcast for

19:24

the missing person 38 Shane Wallace?

19:27

Yes. Yes. Hi. So

19:30

you're good with us chatting because I've been

19:32

obviously, I was like, man, where did she go? And

19:34

then I was talking to quite

19:36

a few people and actually 38

19:39

was one of them. And then

19:41

I also talked to property

19:43

owner, Wayne

19:46

Yes. He

19:47

was like, yeah, she's over in the grange. Wayne

19:49

is a property owner that Jay was renting from

19:51

and staying with for period of time. Yeah.

19:54

I would actually like to talk to you about your time with Eric

19:56

though. Okay.

19:59

You and Eric

20:02

were a thing at one point in

20:04

time or no? Yes, we were.

20:07

Like okay. So we grew up together. We were bowling

20:09

together in sturges. Me and his family

20:12

got really close during that time. When

20:14

I was in high school, we ended up dating

20:16

-- Mhmm. -- on and off. And then

20:18

when when I got out of

20:20

college, we kind of

20:22

hit back up, and that was before he got

20:24

married to Britney. And

20:27

we just hit it off. Like, we

20:29

were he's like my best friend. Like,

20:31

he would just I don't know how to

20:33

describe it. He did

20:35

kind of, like, start acting strange

20:39

after he lost his daughter with 38. But,

20:41

like, before that when we were

20:43

dating, like, everything was fine. And

20:45

he didn't seem like there was anything

20:47

wrong with

20:48

him. It was just he

20:50

was like my best friend.

20:52

You said he'd 38 acting strange when

20:54

him and when 38 and him had lost the kids.

20:59

He had a lot of rage built up. He didn't

21:01

really talk about things. He would isolate. He

21:04

got heavy into drugs. I'm not sure if

21:06

heroin was a issue either, but we

21:08

did met together. And at the

21:10

time, like, he would get rageful and

21:13

violent. He 38 stealing

21:15

things from the house. There

21:17

was something about, like, like,

21:19

he was into, like, burning things and

21:21

fires. And I thought that was really strange.

21:24

You know what I mean? Like, I was like, what the fuck is going

21:26

on with this

21:26

guy?

21:27

Do

21:27

you know what kind of things he was burning? I have

21:29

no idea what he was burning. I just know that he

21:31

took some fuel stuff from

21:33

the garage at Wayne's he

21:36

would just like things would end up missing, and Wayne

21:39

would be like, do you know where this went? And I'd be like,

21:41

no. So 38 he carried, like,

21:43

this big garbage bag. And I don't know

21:45

if there was clothes in it or anything

21:47

else, but, like, it was very strange.

21:49

Like, his behavior was strange. And then

21:52

38 of, like, coming home, he would,

21:54

like because we all kind of, like, stayed at Wayne's.

21:56

It was kind of, like, a safe haven for us.

21:59

He would be gone for, like, four days at a time.

22:01

And then he'd come back, and then it would be,

22:03

like, periodically okay.

22:05

He would, like, 38, and then shower, and

22:08

then, like, he'd,

22:10

like, disappear. And

22:12

I couldn't get him on a phone, he

22:14

wouldn't have a phone like, and

22:16

then he'd randomly pop in. I

22:18

don't really know exactly what he was doing or

22:21

what was in the trash bags. He just

22:23

had this fire 38

22:24

that, like, 38. And I've never seen

22:26

him act like that before. What

22:30

time of the year is this happening?

22:33

It was, like, around fall.

22:37

This was, like, wow. How many years ago

22:39

was it? Maybe

22:42

two thousand eighteen, 38, I

22:44

don't it was before I did drug

22:45

course. So I think it was two thousand eighteen.

22:48

Okay. So summer and fall of twenty

22:50

eighteen, he's got this fire that ish

22:52

that he's dealing with, and he's

22:54

Yeah. Like, he's just wanting to, like,

22:56

act revenge out on something. Like and

22:59

I know he was upset about his daughter

23:01

or whatever, but I would ask him, like,

23:03

can you, like, get clean and

23:05

go get her back or, like, what was going

23:07

on? I know that Britney was working

23:09

at the gas station

23:11

or, like, I

23:13

don't

23:13

38. It was on the it was the Chinese 38

23:16

with it. I don't know 38 they would call it.

23:18

Yeah. She

23:20

was working there at the time And I remember him

23:22

saying, like, she was cheating on him or whatever.

23:25

But, like, we all could just kind of, like, packed in

23:27

together and was, like, you know, trying

23:29

to help him through whatever it was, but I'm

23:31

just like, well, how come you can't get sober

23:33

and go after the baby? You know what I mean? But

23:35

he just kept making these excuses, like,

23:38

why he couldn't do that? And then, like, that's when

23:40

his behavioral changes just really started

23:42

to change up, and it was weird.

23:46

So this is summer fall 38 eight teen

23:48

38 you're encouraging him to give

23:50

on them, you know, if you want your kids. Yeah.

23:53

So but again, it didn't sound like this was something

23:55

that he wanted was to give the

23:57

kids a

23:58

38? No. He didn't wanna get the kids up, but

24:00

he didn't wanna do what was necessary to get them

24:02

back from the system or whatever. And

24:05

the way he was making her sound was,

24:07

like, very negative. Like, she didn't want the

24:09

kids either, but I really didn't know

24:11

her like that completely. So I don't

24:13

think that that was her case. I don't really

24:15

know. You know what I mean? Like, I would

24:17

I'm a mom

24:18

too. Like, if something like that and I wanted

24:20

my kids back, I would be, like, hysterical kind

24:23

of, you know,

24:24

Right. Right. Right. You

24:26

said we were trying to help him out. Who are the people that

24:28

were that were encouraging encouraging him

24:30

to There was rabbit.

24:32

There was a guy named Kayo, which is

24:35

Sean Moore. Christian 38, which

24:37

he's Romanian. I don't know where he's

24:39

at, but he was part of the group too. We

24:42

all just kind of like were

24:44

I don't know. We just we were getting high

24:46

together. Yes. 38, like, we were just all friends.

24:51

Was there an altercation or an incident where

24:53

you guys had thought Eric had stolen

24:55

money from you? Oh, yeah.

24:57

Yeah. There was, like, at least ten thousand

25:00

dollars that were gone. I had six grand

25:02

that I was gonna buy a Malibu with, and

25:04

then my money ended up missing. And

25:06

I really did think 38 when we all started

25:08

to, like, splitting up. You know what I mean? Because I can

25:10

trust nobody, and I thought it was either

25:12

Sean or Eric or somebody else.

25:14

But yeah, I had, like, ten thousand dollars just come

25:16

up missing. I had

25:19

withdrawn 38 least fifteen from

25:21

the bank. 38 got out of jail. I

25:23

had, like, fifty thousand dollars that was

25:25

from my trust fund. I spent

25:28

some of that on drugs. I spent some of it on

25:30

another vehicle, but I was trying to buy a Malibu

25:32

for six grand. And that's

25:34

when, like, he started, like, he disappeared after

25:37

that. And like, we all kind

25:38

of, like, split up.

25:39

So when did that happen? I'm

25:41

not exactly sure when the dates were. I

25:43

just know that it was It was, like, coming

25:46

into fall when, like, disappeared, Sean

25:49

Moore disappeared, me and Christian,

25:51

our relationship kinda got rocked and

25:53

then me and 38 ended up getting raided.

25:56

After my money was stolen, like, that's when

25:58

everything just whoop, everybody just

26:00

ran away. Do you know

26:03

who has sold the money? I

26:07

never found out who, but I really believe

26:09

that it was Sean Moore and Eric

26:11

Shank. Both of them. I think they

26:13

both conspired to steal the money

26:15

for their own I don't really know

26:17

what, but I think it was their own thing.

26:19

And when you guys split this

26:22

was towards the fall, you think, of

26:24

twenty eighteen?

26:25

Yes.

26:26

I ended up me and Raba ended up getting

26:28

rated, like, shortly after that. With

26:32

Eric, his relationship

26:34

with Britney, did he talk too much about it?

26:36

Did he you know, you had obviously were trying

26:38

to encourage him to go if you get clean and get your kids

26:40

go for it. But did you did

26:43

he talk too much about their relationship?

26:45

I know he had told you that she was cheating on him

26:47

at some

26:47

point.

26:48

38 about the extent of what he would talk about

26:50

her. But, like, he was very

26:54

it

26:54

was hit or miss. He wasn't sure if he still wanted

26:57

to be with his wife or 38. I

26:59

I had tried to see if he wanted to go for

27:01

that. You know, because regardless of if we

27:04

were together or not, and I had feelings for Eric,

27:06

like, if he would always be my best friend,

27:08

So if he wanted his wife back, like,

27:10

you know, do the steps necessary to get her

27:12

back. Other than that,

27:14

he didn't really talk about her other than

27:18

about her being, like, 38, maybe

27:21

her being a snitch, but I'm

27:24

working at the golden 38 at the time and,

27:26

like, he and rabbit would make

27:28

trips there, and he

27:30

would see her. So that's

27:32

all I know, is that they would make trips there

27:35

to see her. And I don't know if they were trying to work

27:37

it out or there was an altercation.

27:39

Okay. So you mentioned something about a

27:41

snitch. Mhmm. Was

27:44

that Eric accusing Britney

27:47

of being a

27:47

snitch, or is that Britney accusing him? Eric being

27:49

a snitch?

27:50

That was Eric accusing her. Why

27:53

would he think that?

27:54

I have no idea. The only thing that I

27:56

heard was that she

27:58

was kind of, like, going around

28:01

and talking to the police about

28:03

people and drugs and, like, you know,

28:05

who's moving 38? That I have no

28:08

I I don't True. But,

28:10

like, where she 38, and I they

28:12

know that the police for especially

28:14

on the 38 line, like, a lot of people

28:16

were accusing her, and I've heard rumors,

28:19

and that's what was being spread. And

28:22

that's why, like, in in the

28:24

whole scenario. I don't know if

28:26

that's why people did that. I

28:29

don't I I don't know. That's it's just it

28:32

breaks my 38. But, like, If

28:34

that's really why, that's a fucked up

28:36

way to get back at somebody. You know what I mean?

28:38

Like, that's not cool at all. But

28:40

that's what kind of 38 we were hearing is

28:42

that she was a snitch, and

28:44

that's what I'm saying. Like, that's when a lot of

28:46

people's anger was towards her, and

28:49

I had no idea

28:49

why. Like, this girl just lost her babies

28:51

too. Like, I would be, like, crying and, like,

28:54

you know what I mean? Like Yeah. Yeah.

28:56

I mean, so Britney was trying. I mean, 38

28:58

in the information that I have in in her journal

29:00

38 that she was attempting to get back

29:02

on her feet. Eric

29:05

accusing her of being a snitch and

29:07

going around and working with the police. Does

29:10

I mean, was there anything that actually came

29:12

from that? Did they have any proof? Was it just

29:15

hearsay. I mean, I know that there is this

29:17

snitch list. I've heard about it. I've heard about the names

29:19

on it. We've seen it. But was there any

29:21

truth to those accusations towards

29:24

Britney? The snitch list.

29:27

For those who may be unsure about what the snitch

29:29

list is, it's a list of people

29:31

who provide information either

29:33

as a confidential informant, a

29:35

witness, or it could

29:37

just be somewhat suspected of talking about the

29:40

dirty deeds of others. Now,

29:42

the snitch 38, has been widely

29:44

spread. Britney's name does appear

29:46

on it along with approximately twenty other

29:48

names. Those names include

29:50

J. J. Fox junior and senior,

29:53

and 38 Bowman. The

29:55

accuracy or legitimacy of this

29:57

list is in question.

30:01

I first heard about this nicholas when 38 brought

30:03

it up in relation to Robert Porter and

30:05

the Kimberly Dyer murder.

30:07

I don't believe that there was any truth. I think

30:10

38 they just took that and ran with it

30:12

as in a way to be, like, a scapegoat

30:14

or an excuse to do whatever they

30:16

did. You know, like, 38 what

30:18

I truly believe. I don't have any

30:21

evidence that she was stitching. You

30:23

know, there was nothing like that. It's just

30:25

that's what everybody was hearing, and

30:27

I think that was just what they ran with

30:29

to kind of cover it up or to

30:31

use it as a way to get away with

30:33

whatever. And then Yeah.

30:36

38 not okay.

30:37

Okay. Yeah. Did

30:41

you know Ashley Murray?

30:44

38 was your name? Ashley Huli,

30:46

Ashley Marie.

30:49

I don't think I know the name. No. So

30:51

maybe it was, like, after we split that that's

30:53

who he went to because I don't I have

30:55

never heard of that

30:56

name. I share a few details with Jade to

30:58

see if jogs a memory. She doesn't

31:00

know Ashley. I bring the conversation

31:02

back to Eric.

31:04

I think he was trying to avoid me mainly

31:06

because they stole my money. And, like,

31:09

you know what I'm saying? They just wanted to dip out

31:11

and and

31:12

whatever. But when

31:13

you say they stole them on you, did they still in physical

31:16

form like cash? Or was this -- Correct.

31:17

-- cash? 38 was cashed.

31:19

Yes. Yeah. Because my wallet and my

31:21

dope was gone at the time. So, you know

31:23

what I mean? Like, I was like, what

31:25

the

31:25

hell? Like, I searched the entire house. So

31:28

And so you think that the ties between you

31:30

and Eric cut off sometime around the

31:33

fall

31:34

summer to fall of twenty eighteen? Yes.

31:36

And then when we I got arrested in

31:38

March of 38, and that's when I did

31:41

drug 38. But that's when we all just kind of

31:43

like You know what I

31:44

mean? Like, we couldn't talk, and haven't

31:46

talked to him since. Did

31:48

Eric ever talk to you about the raid that happened

31:50

between him and 38? The

31:55

raid. On

31:59

February fifth twenty seventeen, The

32:02

Lagrange Marshals office served a search warrant

32:04

at the home Eric and Britney were sharing

32:06

after they received tips regarding drug activity.

32:10

Officer served the search warrant and found methamphetamine

32:12

and drug paraphernalia. 38

32:15

was arrested and taken to Lagrange County jail

32:17

on the charges possession of methamphetamine, possession

32:20

of a hyperdermic needle, and maintaining

32:22

a common nuisance. To

32:24

explain further, A common nuisance

32:27

is a person who knowingly or intentionally visits

32:29

a building, structure, vehicle,

32:32

or other place that is used by any person to

32:34

unlawfully use a control old substance. Eric

32:37

was also arrested and taken to the Lagrange

32:39

County jail on the charges of possession of methamphetamine,

32:43

possession of a hyperdermic needle. Maintaining

32:45

a common nuisance and possession of paraphernalia.

32:49

Eric spends time incarcerated for the charges

32:51

and essentially takes the fall forward. 38

32:54

says he consistently shifts the blame 38

32:56

Britney. After this incident,

32:59

Britney tells Sheldon and others that

33:01

she had suspicions about who tipped law enforcement.

33:04

She even tells Sheldon that she's suspicious

33:06

of Eric. 38 is

33:08

also suspicious that a woman named Carly could

33:10

have been the one to turn them in. Ashley

33:13

says Britney warned her 38 to

33:15

allow Carly at her house because

33:18

she may be a snitch. We

33:20

see evidence of this in the small handful of Facebook

33:23

messages we have between Ashley and Britney.

33:26

After the warning from Britney, Ashley

33:28

responds to her and tells her to warm pocket

33:30

because he's the one allowing Carly and Zach

33:32

in her home. Ashley, all also

33:34

claims that Britney sent Carly a message

33:37

from Ashley's phone while they were at Walmart,

33:40

telling her to stay away from Ashley Though

33:43

this is something we've never seen proof of

33:45

or working on making contact with Carly to confirm,

33:49

I'm curious, if Carly will remember

33:51

receiving this message.

33:54

Hey, Carly. Check your

33:56

inbox.

33:58

No. I didn't know about the raid. No.

34:00

Twenty 38. Summer of twenty

34:02

seventeen, there was a raid at their 38, and

34:04

I didn't know if that was the reason why he

34:07

may have been accusing her snitching, but she

34:09

was pretty adamant that she had

34:11

not. I just didn't know maybe if he had brought

34:13

that

34:13

up. Not that I really remember. 38

34:16

you know what I'm saying? Like, she was the blame

34:18

for a lot of

34:19

things. You know? You mentioned we

34:21

were talking about earlier burning things.

34:23

And you got into that thing and you got into

34:25

Like, I don't know what it's called.

34:28

Be like this big and it has, like, a cap on it

34:30

and you can, like, undo it's like an accelerator.

34:32

Right? Why would he need all that?

34:35

I don't know. He would just be into that and

34:37

like things would burn down.

34:39

The fires. Around

34:42

the general time Britney disappeared. 38,

34:45

white pigeon, baroque, and

34:47

the surrounding areas experienced several

34:49

suspicious fires, including the

34:51

two that were at Don Hills on December fifteenth

34:54

and December nineteenth twenty eighteen. Suspicious

34:57

fires 38 to occur up to present

34:59

day. Jade shares

35:01

a few thoughts about the topic when she says

35:03

Eric had a serious interest in fire.

35:06

She recalls Eric 38 an igniter from

35:08

the garage of the home she was renting. This

35:11

is an opportunity for us to connect some dots

35:13

here. You'll recall

35:16

hearing JJ label Eric as a pyro

35:18

in his interview with me in an episode. According

35:21

to people who knew Eric well, his

35:23

nickname, at least around this time

35:26

was matches. Of

35:28

course, this implies an obsession with fire.

35:31

One less thought to leave you with on this subject

35:34

Late last year, someone

35:36

shared a conversation they had with Eric a

35:39

short time after Brittany's disappeared. In

35:42

this conversation, Eric says,

35:45

it only takes seven tires to burn with a

35:47

body 38 fully get rid of it.

35:51

He would always ask me for health. He'd

35:53

be like, do you feel anything?

35:56

And I kind of am an 38, like, in

35:58

my environment, you know? And

36:00

he'd be like, do you see anything? You

36:03

know what I mean? Like, do you see anything negative,

36:05

Jade? She would ask me

36:07

weird things up 38? Like, do you

36:09

think, you know, my wife is doing

36:12

this? Or, like, I don't know. They would

36:14

just ask me a question. He's

36:16

like, do you think she's dead? You

36:18

know, these questions were like, I was like, I don't

36:20

really I don't really know, like,

36:22

what the fuck are you talking about, dude? Like,

36:25

he would ask weird things like 38.

36:27

If she's dead, and that

36:29

was one of the questions, like, towards the end, like, I

36:32

was

36:32

like, I don't know. He'd be like, do you sense

36:34

the she's dead and I'm like, I don't know,

36:36

Eric, I really don't.

36:38

And we'll not talk about it because, like, you

36:40

know what I mean? But we were hearing things

36:42

and I kind of have that gift

36:44

too, but I'm not like a paranormal or anything.

36:47

It's just like, I I can sense

36:49

things and, like, that's when he started

36:51

asking those weird questions and that's when, like,

36:53

he would grab that stuff to burn. And

36:55

I just don't know after that, like, what

36:57

what happened to him, but, like, that's the kind

36:59

of stuff that he would

37:00

ask. And I just kinda stepped away

37:02

from that. Questions

37:04

about Britney from Eric? We're

37:07

interested in the relationship dynamic surrounding

37:09

rabbit, Jade, and Eric, especially

37:12

since we know that once pocket is taken into

37:14

custody on November twenty ninth twenty

37:16

eighteen, Eric immediately turns

37:18

his attention back to rabbit to be a supplier.

37:21

In discussing relationship dynamics with Jade,

37:24

she shares with me that Eric would often ask her.

37:27

If she could sense whether or not was

37:29

alive or 38. She says he began

37:31

acting really strange after Britney's disappearance.

37:34

And this is what ultimately leads to the

37:36

demise of their relationship. I

37:43

mean, for activity, are we making? Are

37:45

we supplying? Do we have someone who's providing

37:47

to you guys that you guys go

37:48

to? Because I know so I understand

37:50

that rabbit is someone who

37:53

That was our dude.

37:55

That was your dude. Yeah. Who's he getting it from?

37:57

That I don't know. 38

38:00

the time, I think Eric and them were going to

38:02

Elkhart County, somewhere in Elkhart

38:05

because they would drive my comero that I had.

38:07

They would drive my Camaro to Elkhart, and

38:09

then they would come

38:10

back. So I think it was someone in Elkhart,

38:12

but I don't know who that is. The things that

38:14

he was burning,

38:16

Did he ever come across as he was

38:18

also 38 houses on fire?

38:21

I I kind of took it that way. He

38:24

never came out and say that, but, like,

38:26

okay. So 38 that time, there were also,

38:28

like, houses, I believe, in Elkhart County that were

38:30

going down and being in flames. You know,

38:32

and I saw that shit on the news. And was like, what

38:34

the hell? You know what I mean? Like, it was kind

38:37

of a coincidence, like, everything there were certain

38:39

houses in certain locations that started

38:41

burning down. And if you look at the timeline

38:44

of that that one place, I don't know that's

38:46

where they last found her or whatever, but that place

38:48

ended up being burned. There was houses

38:50

in Elkhart

38:50

County, and that was my suspicion that

38:52

something more like wicked was

38:54

going on.

38:55

Did you ever talk to him about it? No.

38:58

I really 38, but I'm like, why do you need

39:00

this shit? You know what I mean? Like, what's going on?

39:02

And he was just like, oh, nothing.

39:04

You know what I'm saying? But he kind of like

39:06

38 was kinda like he wanted revenge over something.

39:09

And I wasn't sure why. For 38, did

39:11

someone steal your drugs? Like, you know what I mean?

39:13

Like, It was basic stuff like that, but he would

39:16

never do that. He'd just give me this wicked smile

39:18

kind of. Yeah. And then he's

39:20

like, well, my daughter trust

39:22

me. She's just like me. I

39:25

don't

39:25

know if it was like the red hair, you know, like,

39:27

the scene of Chuck E. And the bride. Like, it was

39:29

kind of like he was referring 38, like, how

39:32

evil. It could be like he could

39:34

be. And I thought that was a little

39:36

strange, but it's Eric, so I get it. But

39:38

he was just like, yeah, my daughter will grow up

39:40

and she show sequel 38 two

39:42

in my name or whatever. I didn't

39:45

know if he was doing heroin or, like, stuff

39:47

like that that was making him say that 38. That's

39:49

what mean by the strange behavior started

39:52

to, like, manifest out. 38

39:54

seemed like he wanted to be more evil. And

39:57

he just hated everything or the state. No

39:59

one understood him. Do

40:01

you recall ever meeting or hanging

40:03

out with JJ Fox? I

40:07

met him once recently

40:09

at the liquor store right there

40:11

by the laundromat and 38, but I

40:13

don't know that. When

40:16

I got damaged, our court and everything, it

40:19

was Rev. Revit started

40:21

dating her mom

40:22

I thought that was really strange.

40:24

Oh, Britney's mom? Yes. I thought that

40:26

was really strange. He ended up having this

40:28

video. And he said that that was

40:31

the car that they had Britney in. And,

40:33

like, the things that he would talk about,

40:35

I'm, like, rabbit, why are you getting involved? And

40:37

why are you like, if you're

40:39

so against it, why are you dating her mom

40:41

38 of all? Second of all, why

40:44

are you now producing this video and

40:46

trying to, like, solve the equation I

40:49

kind of think that he was trying to see

40:51

what was there to kind of put

40:53

the how do you say

40:55

it? The evidence away from him? 38

40:57

I thought that was very strange why rabbit would do

40:59

that. I 38 rabbit

41:02

before and

41:04

I was thinking about doing it again until

41:06

I found out he was dating her. And then

41:08

he would just come over and he would be, like, really

41:10

weird because I had asked him, like, hey, can

41:12

you give me, like, half ounce or whatever? He'd

41:15

come over and drop it off, but then he would

41:17

start talking about how he's with her. All

41:19

of a sudden, like, he ended up

41:22

leaving her I

41:24

don't know what the situation was, but they

41:26

stopped dating. But he was, like, obsessed

41:28

with this video of this car, and he's,

41:30

like, look, This is where they had her.

41:32

This is where they fucking shot her or whatever.

41:34

And I'm like, how the fuck do you know all these

41:37

details, bro? Like, what the fuck

41:39

is you know, I mean, I thought that was

41:40

strange. And that was recently. So

41:43

probably in the last, like, eight months. You

41:46

said in the beginning that he was actually, like,

41:48

kinda turned off to the idea or was,

41:50

like, didn't wanna entertain this

41:53

38, but then all of sudden you saw him

41:55

trying to put the pieces together. Yes.

41:59

And he kind of was obsessive about it.

42:01

This is when I was done with drug court.

42:04

I've met up and I saw him again at the brain.

42:06

Okay? I I just recently

42:08

got married. So, like, I'm with my husband

42:10

and then 38, you know, we

42:12

we get our drug connect back. Me

42:15

and my husband ended up relapsing. When

42:17

rabbit was around, that's what

42:19

he was trying to talk about. It

42:21

was strange. This was the

42:24

vehicle and blah blah blah. Like, yeah, he was

42:26

it was an obsession for

42:27

him. With

42:29

you and rabbit or together, I mean, did he ever put his

42:31

hands on you?

42:33

Yes. There was a few violent times

42:35

that really scared me. One was

42:39

Jade shares with me a rather personal story about

42:41

the relationship between her and rabbit. I'll

42:44

respectfully keep the stories in myself, but

42:46

what I will say is that

42:48

as Jade reflected on this incident after it

42:50

occurred, she realized that rabbit

42:52

scared her, legitimately scared

42:55

her,

42:56

and listening to her this, as

42:58

another layer of complication to their relationship.

43:02

38 he scared the fuck out of me. He

43:05

ended up smack me on the face wanted him to

43:07

take me out of it and he wouldn't. So, like,

43:09

I kind of scooted to the fucking kitchen

43:11

and I found knife and I got

43:13

myself out. But, like, that was the only time that he,

43:15

like, really scared me He had

43:18

he had put his hands on me

43:19

before. He

43:21

you found yourself in a position where he did

43:23

physically you guys had physical altercation?

43:26

Yes. Yes. He's

43:28

kinda hot and, you know, hot and cold with me because

43:30

he does provide all this information. It

43:33

doesn't really go anywhere. And it turns

43:35

into this editing of the images

43:37

and enhancing

43:38

the 38 of the picture, and he claims that there's

43:41

a shot a gunshot. Yeah. In

43:43

that ring video.

43:44

Yeah. So he's all over the map

43:46

38 with me, but Eric

43:49

being a person of interest and a suspect in my

43:51

opinion for Britney's disappearance, his

43:54

relationship with 38, and

43:56

then there's this other female named Ashley

43:58

Marie, which is why I'm looking at the addition all too.

44:00

Did 38 ever talk about

44:03

killing someone? Did I I know his name has

44:05

been attached to the mongooper's There's

44:07

been different images of

44:11

people that ended up dead that probably shouldn't

44:13

have. In his phone.

44:15

That's all that's what I know. He would

44:18

talk about it. Like I said, when I go to the

44:20

hotel and pick up the drugs

44:22

or whatever, that's what he would talk about.

44:25

There was also a guy named Nick. I'm

44:27

not sure what his last name was. He

44:29

showed up and did a couple drop offs

44:31

like, few eight balls here and there.

44:34

But he was mainly after a girl Ashley.

44:36

Ashley, if it's a girl Ashley,

44:38

I don't know her last name, but she lived in Wokerville.

44:42

She was our neighbor and she was dating Matt Troyer.

44:45

Now that's who Nick was looking for, and

44:47

that's who, like, 38 and Nick, were their

44:50

to provide drugs

44:51

for. That's how I met Nick.

44:54

As Jade continues on with her testimony, she

44:57

mentions another guy who drove for 38. Nick.

45:01

She says she can confirm this because

45:03

Nick did drop off to her for rabbit.

45:06

So who is Nick? How

45:08

does Nick fit into this, if at all?

45:11

I don't know what was holding up, rabbit.

45:15

He actually mentioned going to do

45:17

drop offs in Mongo a few 38. I

45:20

just don't know his last name. 38

45:23

usually dealt with me person only, so

45:26

I don't know why he sent Nick, but I just

45:28

know his name was Nick, and I thought he was strange

45:30

because he tried to rate me in my

45:32

in my

45:33

bathroom. And

45:35

my husband was in jail.

45:38

Now

45:38

like I told this dude to get off me.

45:41

Okay. So you know what he looks like?

45:42

Yes. I do. Yes. Okay. Really

45:45

weird.

45:46

Did you describe his stature?

45:49

I would say he was probably about one seventy

45:51

five. He had, like, little

45:53

to no hair. His face was,

45:55

like, really small and sunken in. He

45:58

would wear a wife 38, and he'd

46:00

have a baseball cab on. And

46:02

he had baggy jeans. At

46:04

the time, that's kinda like was

46:06

his style. So I don't know

46:08

Nick if his if that was his real name or not,

46:11

but that's the name he gave. And I seen

46:13

him at rabbit's dad's house screens,

46:15

but he did make two stops.

46:17

One was for Ashley, and then rabbit

46:20

had him drop off and 38 well to me, and that's

46:22

when he tried to rate me at my bathroom. And

46:24

I pushed him off me and said, no. That's not how

46:26

this fuck this goes here. 38

46:29

he had mentioned that he had to go to Mongo.

46:32

He

46:32

didn't even attempted to try to rape you when

46:34

he had delivered the drugs?

46:38

I went into the bathroom, but

46:40

he dropped off an eyeball to me.

46:43

And then he tried to, like, pin me down in the bathroom,

46:45

like and he was like, I will supply this. I

46:47

wanna bring drugs back 38 Wilkeville

46:49

or whatever. Dude,

46:51

like, literally tried to pin me down in my bathroom.

46:54

And I'm like, hell, no, this is not how the fuck

46:56

it goes. You know what I mean? And I pushed him off

46:58

me. He's like, 38. Whoa. Whoa. I didn't mean no

47:00

smoke. And I'm like, whoa. Whoa. Good. And then

47:02

he fucking went out of my house. And

47:04

then that's when I would try to get a hold of

47:06

rabbit because I'm like, rabbit. You don't some people I got

47:08

to my house. You know what I'm saying? That's

47:11

a no go.

47:12

38 was like, do you know where Ashley lives? And I'm

47:15

like, yeah. She lives, like, right across the street.

47:20

His motive was, like, totally 38 a

47:23

good

47:23

guy. 38

47:26

talk about RAVUS drivers.

47:29

He always had drivers. Who were

47:31

his drivers?

47:34

I think one was Nick

47:37

was one of them.

47:39

Was another one.

47:42

Was also a driver for him. Those

47:46

three are the ones that when I was around,

47:48

those were his drivers. I

47:51

know Eric used to be too,

47:53

so that was back on the day.

47:56

And Nick, was that the only time you'd ever interacted

47:58

with Nick? Yeah. That was the only

48:00

end last time. Yes. But, like, he did

48:02

say something about having to drop off in Mongo.

48:04

So I don't know if that's

48:07

something, but, like, this dude did not seem

48:09

like a good guy to be around. I'll just say

48:11

that. Would

48:11

you recognize him if you saw him again?

48:14

Yes. Yes. Did

48:17

you ever see Nick's Facebook further

48:19

frozen. Come

48:22

on. When

48:31

scheduling video visitation with Jade,

48:33

we're only allotted forty five minutes at a time.

48:36

Unfortunately, my conversation with Jade is

48:38

cut off for the day, but I schedule

48:40

another visit with her because I have more

48:42

questions and I think she can offer more

48:44

clarity. As I reflect

48:47

back of my conversation with Jade, she

48:49

mentions Britney and Eric's decision to relinquish

48:51

their rights. She said,

48:53

Eric was really angry with Britney because of

48:55

this. In fact,

48:58

the only person who has reported that Eric

49:00

wasn't angry with Britney about this

49:02

is Jessica. I decided

49:05

to reach out to her and ask her to share and tell

49:07

us more about this. While I

49:09

have her on the phone, I asked her

49:11

about the extent of her relationship with

49:13

rabbit. 38.

49:16

So 38, 38,

49:19

he told you that he went to the Golden 38, and

49:21

when he went to go buy the glass piece, which is what he's

49:24

continued to say. And he even

49:26

mentions, you know, making a pass at 38.

49:29

Yes. Yep. He said that she

49:32

she was dating Josh Vanderberry's at

49:34

the at the time. And, Josh, he and

49:36

she said, well, my boyfriend, you know,

49:38

I got a boyfriend. He would like that very

49:41

very

49:41

much. He said she was she was 38 about

49:43

it,

49:43

but, you

49:45

know, he's he 38 in. That's

49:47

always how he was ever met 38 is what he said. Yep.

49:49

So he did make a pass at her though? Yes. He

49:51

did. Yep. He told me that

49:53

himself, from his his own mouth, And

49:56

I was like, it is funny because he never he didn't

49:58

mention that in the very beginning when I met him. He

50:00

never mentioned that up till, like, probably,

50:02

like, a year a year, a year and a half 38.

50:05

Like, more recent. He mentioned

50:07

that. And I was like, why why would

50:09

you not wanna bring that up? Why would you not wanna 38 me that? You

50:11

know?

50:11

Yeah. Yeah. However, he was

50:13

really tight with with air of shame,

50:16

rabbit was. And so find it

50:18

very difficult to believe that that's the first time

50:20

he ever met

50:21

her. And the only time he's around it.

50:23

I find the very difficult to believe. In

50:25

his conversation in November with with 38

50:27

Eric is in, you know, reaching out to him

50:29

about possibly trying to use him as a plugging

50:32

38. And he also also says that,

50:34

you know, I drove for you a 38. You know? Yep. It's

50:36

not my first rodeo. You and I have done a bunch of

50:38

runs

50:38

together. So how does he not know Britney through at

50:40

that point? Because Eric and 38 got

50:43

married. What year? Two

50:45

thousand and oh, yeah. That's 38 fourteen.

50:47

I wanna say fourteen, but it seems like they could have

50:49

been so young. Okay. So, yeah, twenty

50:51

fourteen, they got married. How does he not

50:53

know Brit? Right. Right. And

50:56

let me tell you this guy knows everybody. However,

51:00

one 38, I got into an argument with him,

51:02

and he was like, I

51:04

don't rip I don't fucking carry your fucking

51:06

head off. Like, they fucking 38 Like, I get your daughters.

51:10

Yes. And then he was like, I mean,

51:12

you know the mother. I really would not have I I was

51:14

like, yeah, I was just mad. I was like,

51:16

and he it was very vulgar, vicious.

51:20

I also find it hard to believe that when

51:22

he went to the Golden 38 that because

51:24

he says Eric was with

51:27

Okay. 38 that's makes even weirder.

51:29

You hit on you hit on her while Eric

51:32

was there? Right. Exactly. And

51:34

I know rabbit. He if he found her

51:37

38, at one point in time, he stopped back in every

51:39

motherfucking 38. He he had a chance because that's

51:41

where they fucking they, you know, got sold balls

51:43

that's where he went to that shit

51:45

from, you know, that's a regular old place.

51:49

It's interesting to me that 38 never mentions any

51:51

significant interactions with Britney. He

51:54

says his only interaction with her at all

51:57

was brief and took place when she

51:59

worked at the Golden 38 where he stopped to buy a pipe.

52:02

Could he have encountered her and become flirtatious

52:04

and she rejected him? Sure.

52:07

But in my opinion, I don't think that

52:10

this is something you'd forget to mention.

52:29

Hi.

52:29

Hey. What's up?

52:30

Not much. I was getting worried for a

52:32

second. When's

52:38

last time we talked to Jason or rabbit?

52:41

It was right before he got locked up.

52:44

Did he talk to you about the his

52:47

relationship with me and what was doing? Did

52:49

he ever bring that up to you?

52:52

The only thing he said was there was an

52:54

interviewer guy that, like, I should probably

52:56

stay away from, like, because I was gonna

52:59

get involved in something that I probably shouldn't.

53:01

And I don't understand what that meant. So,

53:03

like and he should know me by now that that's

53:05

gonna spark my curiosity 38. So,

53:08

like, you know, like, I don't know why he was

53:10

trying to have me avoid the

53:12

situation, but You know,

53:14

I find out for things on my own, you know?

53:16

Yeah. He

53:19

wants to, like, tell you things, but then

53:22

he kinda will put it out there, but

53:24

then he doesn't really have stuff to back it up. You

53:26

remember yesterday you were like, he was at 38, like,

53:28

stay away, but then he would come to you, like, tried

53:30

to present you information that was about

53:33

the -- Yeah. -- the ring video camera and the car

53:35

and what was going on with

53:36

38. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. 38

53:39

was, like, right after he broke up with her mom or

53:41

something like 38. But he had stopped

53:43

at Wayne's house because I was living there again.

53:45

And he had just, you know, was let me know

53:47

that he was involved in something that was bigger.

53:50

I don't know. And he just wanted me

53:52

to I don't know if he was trying to say by,

53:54

but he ended up getting 38 soon after.

53:57

And this is just meth not heroin? 38

54:00

don't know if if he was picking up both

54:02

or 38, but I know personally when I would

54:04

38 from him. Like, I was I was

54:06

getting meth obviously, but I don't

54:08

know about the heroin ordeal.

54:10

There were 38, and he would talk about speedballing

54:12

all the time.

54:14

Sorry. Educate me. I don't I don't I don't Okay.

54:18

Okay. Speedballing, a lot of people

54:20

sometimes will shoot up meth and

54:22

heroin, and they kinda get both effects.

54:24

So they're not, like, completely up up.

54:27

But it's kind of a mellow flow. And

54:30

it's a dangerous game now because, like, things

54:32

are cut and mixed, 38, like,

54:34

speedballing back before

54:37

we went into drug court, like, that was

54:39

his thing that he would do. But my

54:42

my rule was there was no shooting in my house. You know

54:44

what I'm saying? Like, if you use needles,

54:46

do it outside of my house. You can come over

54:48

and we can smoke or

54:49

38, but that's something didn't want

54:51

around. I was listening to a recording

54:53

of his 38, and he was saying he

54:56

had mentioned your name being involved in

54:58

in part of some of the the investigative

55:00

work that he had been working in and looking 38, and

55:03

he had mentioned there being a

55:05

a total of two

55:08

brothers one female involved,

55:11

and there was a joke that was said, not

55:13

ever not everybody found it funny. Obviously,

55:15

Britney was something 38 happened to her

55:17

because of this joke. And and for some

55:19

reason, your name gets thrown in there as to

55:21

some of the rumors that Ace Heard

55:24

38 you he's never actually asked you or confronted

55:26

you or been

55:27

like, yo, did you have any involvement in that?

55:29

No. You no. They've never, like,

55:32

38 came out and said anything. It was actually more

55:34

him in his videos, and I would kind of like

55:37

because he's around me. I'm like, you know what the fuck's

55:39

going on? Or, like, why why

55:41

are you so obsessed with

55:42

it? I

55:44

had put my to put in though when people would

55:46

ask me. I know that a lot

55:48

of in

55:50

the drug world around here, even though

55:52

it's small community, like a lot of

55:54

the I don't wanna say sex grafticking

55:56

because it's different. It's like, not like that.

55:59

Like, a lot of guys will use

56:01

that women that want drug

56:03

they put themselves in situations and

56:05

it's been a more dangerous game. I

56:08

got out of it for like three years while I was in

56:10

drug court but coming back in 38 was

56:12

something like I said, I almost got raped

56:15

and I had money to pay for my stuff.

56:17

I'm not sure if that's what happened or

56:20

it was something that went wrong.

56:23

I don't I I wasn't there. I don't

56:25

know any conversations. I don't know the guys.

56:28

I just know that some of the guys that he

56:30

was hanging with and I know that he's capable

56:33

of doing things because I know them personally

56:35

and I grew up with a lot of these people, so

56:37

I've known them for quite a while. A

56:40

lot of people started acting really sketchy

56:42

and doing stupid criminal

56:45

things maybe to either get

56:47

arrested so they're kind of out of the

56:49

loop?

56:49

You you mentioned some like, people 38 getting

56:52

arrested to get out of a situation. Have

56:55

you ever heard, like, okay. So people, like,

56:57

for petty shit, like, okay, for, like,

56:59

a syringe charge or, like, something like 38. Like,

57:01

when that stuff was going on, Like,

57:03

some people were purposely, like,

57:05

they would speed. You get pulled over. You know,

57:07

they go to jail for a possession or whatever.

57:10

And they've kind of, like, avoid the the police

57:12

or the investigation of it all.

57:14

The you know what I'm saying? Like,

57:16

some people that's what kept happening. You

57:18

know? And some people ended up in drug court. Some

57:21

people just kind of ended up in doing a little

57:23

bit six months here, six months there, they get

57:25

out. You know what I

57:26

mean? Or they went to the center? And

57:28

it was kind of to bypass things, you

57:30

know? It was just trying to get off the radar

57:32

for a little bit.

57:35

Here in Jay's comment about someone intentionally

57:37

getting

57:37

arrested, you might be wondering,

57:40

where have I heard this before?

57:43

This is what I think about pockets get caught. This

57:45

is where I thought the whole time along. This

57:48

is Chris Panias from episode twenty

57:51

four.

57:54

38 a whole time long. But once it started

57:56

happening, I thought that maybe pocket knew

57:58

what was fixing to happen. And

58:00

got caught on purpose just to get the fuck out of the situation.

58:03

He said, 38 nothing to pockets. So we wouldn't wanna

58:05

be

58:05

near. You know what I'm saying? He's not that type of person.

58:07

We're gonna cut up and what what did he think was about to

58:09

happen?

58:10

Well, with the Britney thing. I

58:12

I don't know this for sure, but I kinda

58:14

have 38 like it like leaning towards it because

58:16

bam, he 38 fuck

58:18

sent back in. Okay. Like like,

58:20

right before that happens. Kinda like he just cleared

58:22

himself and be competing anywhere near the 38. Because

58:25

that's that's 38 he would do if he knew something like

58:27

that was gonna

58:27

happen. You would tell about it. You see what I'm saying?

58:31

Did you know pocket? 38,

58:34

I don't know the nickname if that is.

58:37

Yeah. You said something yesterday. You brought up the

58:39

house fire or not house fire, but you brought up Eric

58:41

burning stuff. Did he ever ask you to partake

58:43

in that? No. I never

58:45

burned anything with him.

58:47

Like, how do you like, what when you think back on

58:49

was there something that happened? I

58:51

can remember us being in the garage and we were

58:53

just all talking and, like, I

58:56

don't know if he wanted to get back at somebody

58:58

or it was the 38. Was he was complaining

59:00

about his daughter. I remember

59:02

him saying something about he went and he

59:05

did a drug screen. He failed on

59:07

and they didn't wanna give him any more time. I don't

59:09

know if that was exactly motive or whatever,

59:12

38, like, I remember us all being in the garage and

59:14

we were all standing around And he's like, I'm

59:16

just gonna get revenge on this 38. And,

59:18

like, that's when the stuff would end up missing or

59:20

whatever. But he would disappear You

59:23

could go down this road. I think it's Mesa.

59:26

And, like, you could walk straight and go back into

59:28

town and disturb us. You know? So Wayne

59:31

was right there by the river. 38 he

59:33

would just walk and go. There

59:35

was this field out there. When

59:38

we would all kind of like have our talks

59:41

or whatever or, like, something like that would happen

59:43

or he'd be like, just wait. And he

59:45

has a smile about him. I

59:47

don't wanna say it's devious or demonic. We

59:50

all knew that, you know, Eric was just he's

59:52

up to something 38

59:53

good. You know what I'm saying? Do you

59:54

remember what Wayne's address was? In

59:58

Baroque, he would just

1:00:00

take off walking from there. Yeah.

1:00:02

And, like okay. So we would have, like, little sessions.

1:00:04

Okay? And it was, like, A group

1:00:06

of us would get together. Part

1:00:08

of it was like I want us it

1:00:11

was weird. Like, we're just weird when we're on drugs,

1:00:13

but it was like a spiritual thing or

1:00:15

like We use music a lot of

1:00:17

the times, and we would all come together. People

1:00:20

would come to me for help or advice if they needed

1:00:22

something. Relationship problems

1:00:25

or like help or to get off drugs

1:00:27

or what they should do. I was kind of

1:00:29

the more stable one even though I was very unstable

1:00:31

in my life at the time. The people

1:00:33

and the characteristics I've done Eric since I was

1:00:35

a kid from Bowling. So I just knew he

1:00:37

always had this wicked side to him. Did

1:00:40

you know 38 personally?

1:00:43

No. I just feel like she looks like a girl

1:00:45

I went to school with, and that's why I was like, is

1:00:47

that really her name? So

1:00:49

when 38 Eric got married and had

1:00:51

kids. Were you not around at all during

1:00:54

that time when they were together? No,

1:00:56

I was not. I was actually married

1:00:58

and I lived in 38, Indiana. At the time.

1:01:01

So when you came back or when

1:01:03

you're in the area closer to where you're hanging out

1:01:05

with Eric again, he never brought

1:01:07

around, never anything like that.

1:01:10

No. The only time I ever seen her was at

1:01:12

the Golden 38. They

1:01:14

were already separated and there was

1:01:16

something like they took their kids when I went

1:01:18

to their

1:01:19

house, like, to his dad's house,

1:01:21

Greg. Alright.

1:01:22

So when you go to the Golden 38 and

1:01:24

he's there and you're there with him They just

1:01:26

grab it there with you guys? Yes.

1:01:30

38, go inside to the Golden 38, or does he We

1:01:32

all did. 38

1:01:35

was kind of, like, I don't know if he wanted

1:01:37

to make her jealous with me, but

1:01:39

it was kind of, like, talked about, like, come in

1:01:41

the store with me, you know, maybe she'll think

1:01:43

that I'm with you or something like 38, see

1:01:45

what her reaction is if if he's with

1:01:48

a girl. I'm not gonna say that I'm the

1:01:50

prettiest girl in the

1:01:51

world, 38, like, you know, I got my swag

1:01:53

You know what I mean? And --

1:01:54

Yeah. -- she I think he just wanted a reaction

1:01:56

out of her. Well, I was never

1:01:58

the type that allowed guys to kind

1:02:00

of, like, hold me or hold my

1:02:02

hand. But, like, we all, like,

1:02:04

were having a good time. I went and ordered

1:02:07

a, you know, like, hey, can I get that pipe

1:02:09

or whatever? I was trying to

1:02:11

laugh and just have a good time. You know what I mean?

1:02:13

Looks like when you see a group of people and

1:02:15

there's maybe envy or jealousy, maybe

1:02:18

it's a girl that she 38, like, no.

1:02:20

And she you know, girls can't get catty

1:02:22

like that. I just tried

1:02:24

to, like, smile and act like we were

1:02:26

all having a good time together.

1:02:28

Did you interact with her personally? Oh,

1:02:31

just to to purchase the pipe. Yeah.

1:02:34

But that was it. And then I just was like, hey,

1:02:36

I'll be in the

1:02:36

car. You know what I mean? Like, I was just trying to be

1:02:39

a sly bitch. Right then? You know?

1:02:40

38 about rabbit? Does rabbit interact with her?

1:02:43

We all did. We all

1:02:45

did. 38

1:02:47

was like, is that

1:02:48

38? You know what I mean? Like, I didn't really know her personally.

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So they were like, yeah. Has

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anybody ever asked you where you were at

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on November thirtieth? November

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thirtieth. No. Nobody asked me that.

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I was probably at Wayne's. Like, I mean,

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when I got

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high, I would always stay at Wayne's usually.

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You get out this next month? Yes.

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In April.

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Okay. And then you think that you

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could possibly still access the Facebook account

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that you had at that

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time? Mhmm. Yes.

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Do you recall him ever calling

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you to change? Like, he was very adamant

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at one point in time during this time that

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missing. He was, like, needing a garage 38

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change brakes on a vehicle?

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That was always done at 38 house or

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his dad's house. 38

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does that mean change the brakes?

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I don't know why, but Everything

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that was mechanically done is always done

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at Green's house because he has a little shop,

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like, in the garage there. And rabbit

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takes care of everybody's lives he makes

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sure it's good. He always

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checks to see if there's a tracking device on vehicles

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before, like, they do their drug runs or

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whatever. You know what I mean? 38 That was always

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done at Greens, so that was never done

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at Wings. Last

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question before I lose you. How many times

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did you guys go to the Golden Goose or that

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you know that they went to the Golden Bay 38 go

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talk to Brady? Four.

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There's four times.

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That you guys all went to the Golden Gooda together.

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Yes.

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Because that's where the best place to get your pipes

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at was. 38 up.

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Recall four times going with him.

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Four times. Yeah.

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Each time.

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Two times. Yep.

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Two times what?

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Two times I went in. Two Oh

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my gosh. And

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just like that, the calls cut.

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There's a lot of lessons to learn in life. Sometimes

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you learn them the hard way. 38,

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if you're perceptive and pay attention, you

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can learn them from the misfortunes of others.

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If you've been paying attention this season, then

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there's no doubt you've identified lessons we can

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all learn. Most

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have come from those we've met in this journey of 38

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Buran for Brittany's.

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of the lessons a 38 teaches you

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Is that just because your friends or associates hold

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a certain opinion, live a particular

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lifestyle, or keep 38, doesn't

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mean you have to. A

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man who can keep his secret may be wise.

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38 he is not as half as wise as

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the man with no secrets.