8:00

Escape from L.A. She's

8:02

been in Bones, which was a good

8:04

movie. Mars Attacks. Jawbreaker,

8:08

remember that? Oh, now I do remember that.

8:10

Yeah, I do. Isn't it? But

8:13

also in a very horrible movie we watched not too

8:15

long ago. What was

8:17

that? Pet Sematary Bloodlines. Yeah, you did

8:19

not like that. But she was the one to

8:21

play the older. I think she was a cop in

8:23

that. Yes. She did nothing else. She was,

8:25

but she was the older woman in that. All

8:29

right. As I said, what,

8:33

you know, I can't even I can't

8:35

even get

8:38

off of who she is without talking

8:41

about how she had a big resurgence

8:43

when she filmed Jackie Brown. I think

8:46

it was in the late 90s, maybe 97. But

8:48

that was a Quentin Tarantino movie. And that put

8:50

her back on the map again.

8:53

Yeah, he does great movies. That's for sure.

8:55

He does. As I said,

8:57

though, at the beginning, some of these happened before

8:59

these people were stars. And that's the case with

9:01

Pam. She was actually a little girl when this

9:03

happened. Okay. So Pam

9:05

had a grandfather by the name of

9:07

Raymond, but everybody close to him knew

9:10

him as Daddy Ray. Daddy

9:13

Ray. Love it. She was

9:15

extremely close to him. If

9:19

you hear her tell it, she says that

9:21

he taught her everything that she knows. But

9:24

they called him Daddy Ray because he was the daddy

9:27

of the entire family. Even though he was the

9:29

grandfather, he was just looked at as that type

9:31

of person. Now

9:33

he would always take Pam around and show her how

9:36

to raise vegetables and how to take care of the

9:38

animals and stuff like that on a farm. She

9:41

had the utmost trust in him. So if he

9:43

said it, she flat out believed it. That's

9:45

just the way that it was. So

9:48

Daddy Ray grew up on a family farm

9:50

in Wyoming. He

9:52

absolutely loved that farm. It

9:55

was his mother's sugar beet farm. Kind

9:58

of like Dwight Schrute. Schrute, yeah. definitely

10:00

good for him. But his

10:02

mother unfortunately passed away and

10:06

most of the family stopped coming around

10:08

years ago to the farm so when

10:10

it came time to go up here

10:12

and figure out what needed to be done with the farm they

10:15

wanted to sell. But Daddy

10:18

Ray didn't because he had such fond memories he loved

10:20

the thing but

10:22

they just want to get rid of it. Ray

10:25

was upset and he said that the family

10:27

didn't appreciate it like he did which

10:30

was obvious. So one day

10:32

Daddy Ray decides to take Pam up to that

10:34

farm. She was about nine years old at the

10:36

time. He told her

10:38

he said Pammy sometimes the

10:40

grass is green right underneath

10:43

your feet. After

10:46

that he kind of showed her around the

10:48

farm. There was the

10:50

main house which was kind of small but

10:52

it had a nice front porch on it that's what she liked.

10:56

Tracy there was no plumbing in

10:58

the house. Oh no the

11:00

good old outhouse. So it had an outhouse. Yeah

11:03

now this would have been in the late

11:05

1950s so probably not that uncommon especially for

11:07

a farm. No definitely I mean I

11:09

had one at my house in the 60s. Right

11:13

he then showed her the barn but

11:16

there was something strange about the barn it had a

11:18

chain and a padlock on it. He

11:20

told her we don't go in

11:23

there because it's dangerous. Something

11:26

could fall on you. That was his reason. So

11:30

Pam was a little spooked because she just said that the

11:32

barn was creepy to begin with. After

11:34

they walked around for a little bit, Ray

11:37

says you know what I got to go in the

11:39

house and start going through some stuff. Let

11:42

me make you a sandwich and you can

11:44

just kind of hang out out here and play around if you want.

11:49

So he goes in and fixes her a sandwich.

11:51

He brings it out and then he goes in

11:53

to kind of start figuring out what they're gonna

11:55

keep, what they're gonna put away, what they're selling.

11:57

You know how unfortunate you have to do. She's

12:01

sitting out there eating her sandwich and

12:04

he said, you know, I'll be right inside if you need me.

12:06

And, you know, Pam was completely fine with that. So

12:09

she's just sitting there looking around, eating

12:12

her food, but she notices something,

12:15

the sound of footsteps. You

12:18

could hear them crunching in the leaves and they

12:20

were coming from where the barn

12:23

area was. She

12:25

turns her head and there's

12:27

this man, a man she's never seen. She

12:30

has no clue who this is, but

12:33

he's staring right at her. She

12:36

was scared. Awkward, yeah. Mm-hmm. Then

12:39

the man cracks

12:41

this little kind of a

12:43

soft smile and

12:45

he says, I'm Uncle Joe. I

12:48

lived here. This is my home.

12:52

I used to take Daddy Ray hunting and fishing all

12:54

the time. I

12:57

taught him everything he knows. So

12:59

Pam's like, okay, he's a relative. Then

13:02

Uncle Joe says, this

13:04

is our land and Big Mama, she

13:07

don't want anybody to sell it. It's

13:10

sacred. You tell Daddy Ray

13:13

not to sell this land. Well,

13:17

Pam just kind of nodded and said, okay, I mean, what

13:20

is she going to do about it? But right

13:22

about that time, Daddy Ray came out of the

13:24

house. Pam looks

13:26

over and Uncle Joe is now gone. He

13:29

just disappeared. Pam tells

13:32

her Daddy Ray that she just

13:34

saw Uncle Joe. She

13:36

just spoke to him and

13:38

she was really excited about it. Daddy

13:41

Ray turned almost white as a sheet.

13:45

He kept saying, there is no Uncle

13:47

Joe. There is no

13:50

Uncle Joe. What

13:52

are you talking about? Pam

13:54

again says, yeah, there was

13:56

an Uncle Joe. He was standing right there and

13:59

I talked to him. One

14:01

last time, Ray says,

14:04

that wasn't the case, because

14:06

he's been dead for about 20 years. Oh

14:08

wow, long time. Pam was in

14:10

shock for a nine year old to hear something

14:12

like that. She

14:14

wasn't used to seeing anger in Daddy Ray's

14:16

face, but she was

14:18

seeing it now. He

14:20

was thinking that maybe there was some kind of a stranger

14:23

that had come onto the property and maybe put his hands

14:25

on Pam. He asked her

14:27

if the man heard her in any way, and Pam said

14:29

no. But Daddy

14:31

Ray ran over and he got a gun. That

14:35

scared Pam. She had never

14:37

seen him so frightened as

14:39

what he was. He

14:42

looked over at the barn. Guess

14:44

what? What? The

14:46

padlock and the chain were not there. Was

14:49

it locked? Oh, they were completely gone? The

14:51

door was open. So

14:56

he grabs the gun, mowses

14:58

on over to the barn, and swings the

15:00

door open. He starts looking

15:02

around, slowly taking

15:05

his time. He

15:08

walked to the back of the barn, and

15:10

he's ready to shoot away anything that might

15:13

make a move. It

15:15

was extremely quiet during all this.

15:19

He looked at Pam, and

15:22

he asked if she was really

15:24

telling the truth about what happened.

15:26

She swore that she was. She

15:29

tells him that Uncle Joel said, you

15:32

can't sell the house. Ray

15:35

thinks for a moment, and then he goes into

15:37

some really deep thought. He

15:40

grabs Pam, and he says, come with

15:42

me. We got to find a way to keep this land.

15:45

So they go back to the house, talk to the

15:47

other relatives. Ray tells them that

15:49

he doesn't want to sell the land. He

15:53

wants to try to hold onto it, but the

15:55

family said that, you know what? They needed the money,

15:58

and they were going to sell it. So

16:01

now push has come to shove. Daddy

16:03

Ray says that, you

16:07

know Uncle Joe said, Big

16:11

Mama told them not to

16:13

sell it. They all had a blast with that as you

16:15

can imagine. Of

16:18

course they didn't believe him so they started poking

16:20

fun at him. So

16:22

the family started asking stuff like, oh really?

16:25

So exactly when did he

16:27

comment about this and was

16:30

he talking to you? How many people were they

16:32

were just really having a fiddle day with him.

16:36

Unfortunately they did sell the property less

16:38

to his dismay. So

16:41

now let's fast forward several years. Pam's done

16:43

really well acting for several years in a

16:45

row at this point. I

16:48

wonder if she had so had seen

16:50

a picture of Joe and say,

16:52

hey yeah that's him. Maybe they would have believed

16:54

it because she wasn't even born when he passed

16:57

away. I don't know but I thought she was lying.

16:59

She could have still been lying about seeing the picture and

17:01

saying that's him. I don't know because

17:04

it didn't happen that as far as I know or at

17:06

least not in any part of the story that I know.

17:09

But something told her to go find a

17:11

place that reminded her of that old farm

17:13

so many years ago. A place

17:15

that would remind her of Daddy Ray.

17:19

So she found a piece of raggedy

17:21

overgrown land that nobody wanted

17:23

and she bought it and

17:26

she turned it into a little oasis. A

17:29

place that Daddy Ray, Big Mama and

17:31

Uncle Joe would all be proud of. Oh

17:34

how sweet. How cool was

17:37

the story was that? Yeah that's really nice.

17:39

I hate that he had to sell

17:41

that though. Yeah man but

17:44

I'm glad that she did that. It's a very caring little

17:47

girl. Well I guess she's a grown girl now. But

17:49

yeah she's in her 70s. Oh

17:52

that's grown yeah. Yeah that's pretty

17:54

grown. Alright Tracy

17:56

we're gonna take a quick sponsor break and then we'll

17:58

be back to tell And

24:00

the bed lifted about a foot in the air and

24:04

came back to the floor throwing her out

24:06

of the bed. Oh, that's some exorcist shit.

24:10

She runs to the door. She

24:14

can see as she looks back that

24:16

the air was so thick that

24:20

again, you could just see the

24:22

mist or whatever it was in the air. You

24:24

could see the thickness. She gets

24:27

out of the room and starts running down

24:29

the hallway towards the lobby. She's

24:32

in her nightgown. She

24:34

looks back and she said that

24:36

you could see the air

24:39

like it was coming out of the door of her room.

24:43

She could feel it rushing behind her

24:45

as if it was coming after her.

24:47

Oh, that's not cool. She

24:50

balled up her fists and she ran

24:52

as fast as she could. Feeling

24:54

the wind go right past her. Her

24:58

hair starts flying all around so this thing is

25:00

caught up with her. So is nobody saying this?

25:03

Not at this point. So she's

25:05

screaming. She finally makes it

25:07

to the lobby. She

25:10

opens her mouth to tell the staff what happened

25:12

and nothing would come out. She

25:15

eventually started to whisper, there's something

25:17

in my room. There's something

25:19

in my room. The

25:24

staff was telling her to calm down because

25:26

that's what you tell a woman. It's frantic.

25:29

Of course. They took her

25:31

behind the desk. They put a blanket

25:33

around her because they saw she was freezing and

25:35

they asked her what

25:38

exactly is going on. Within

25:42

about an hour she could finally talk.

25:44

It took an hour. She

25:47

told them exactly what happened and

25:51

that she didn't want to go back to that room. She

25:54

kept telling them the story over and over and

25:57

they said, you don't have to convince us. So

26:00

she was like, what? You

26:02

mean this has happened before? You know all about this?

26:05

And they were like, well, you see

26:07

the first floor? We've

26:11

had some incidents. Sounds

26:13

like. There was a maid

26:15

who said, and she could

26:18

hear, you should

26:20

never have put her in that room. She's

26:22

too young. Oh my gosh. So

26:26

for it was like, what? She was on a flight the very

26:28

next day. She just wanted to

26:30

go home. Oh, she

26:33

didn't do her audition. I don't know if she did the

26:35

audition or not, but she must have left right afterwards. I

26:38

can't imagine she'd be very good at all. No,

26:40

not even. So she still visits the hotel,

26:42

but she doesn't stay there. And that

26:44

room is now sealed shut because

26:47

of all the incidents that have happened over

26:49

the years. Fun. You think about that

26:51

story? That's creepy. I thought you would say when she bought her fist

26:54

up, she was going to punch the air in the face.

26:56

She probably did try to punch the air in the face.

26:58

All up in the face. That's

27:01

very creepy. And I mean, yeah, why would you put a

27:03

15 year old in that room? If you know there's incidents.

27:05

Well, yeah. I mean, how traumatizing. Now she could have got

27:07

that daggone roll if it was a horror movie. Most

27:11

of what she does is horror. Oh, he thinks she'd

27:13

fit right in. All

27:16

right, Tracy, this is our last story and it may be

27:18

my favorite that we cover tonight. It

27:22

happened to Michael T. Williamson. Do

27:26

you know who Michael T. Williamson is? Well, you

27:28

might have seen him in The Final Destination. I

27:31

hate those movies. The Purge. I hate that movie.

27:34

Free Willy. Oh. Con

27:36

Air. I hate that movie. I hate that movie. I

27:39

hate that movie. I hate that movie. I

27:41

hate that movie. I hate that movie. I hate

27:43

that movie. Con Air. And

27:46

you might remember him as Bubba

27:48

from Forrest Gump. Bubba.

27:52

That's all you had to say. I think that would give it to

27:54

you. He

27:57

lived in Santa Monica at the time this story

27:59

took place. Again, And this is before

28:01

he became famous. This is about, a matter of fact, it

28:03

was 10 years before he was

28:06

cast as Bubba, when this took place. So

28:09

he's living in Santa Monica. His mother is

28:11

living in LA. Michael

28:14

T. says he's extremely picky about

28:16

who he tells this story to

28:19

because the ridicule that he's encountered in

28:21

the past. But anyone

28:24

that knows him knows

28:26

that he visits his mother several

28:29

times a week. Good for him. On

28:33

one of these trips,

28:35

something extremely weird happened.

28:39

He was a struggling actor at the time. Like I said, this

28:42

was the early 1980s. He

28:45

calls his mother and she

28:47

doesn't answer the phone. This was very odd.

28:50

So he goes by the house. Obviously this is

28:52

pre-cell phone days. His

28:55

mom comes out of the house as if

28:57

to stop him, tells

29:00

him, you know what? You need to go back home. He hadn't

29:02

even gotten out of his car. You

29:04

need to go back home. Of course he asked

29:07

her if everything's okay. And she

29:09

was like, yeah, but I'm

29:11

fine. But you just need to get back in

29:13

the car, go back

29:15

home and call me when you get home. Maybe

29:18

she was not the nuglies. He

29:24

calls and she confirms that everything's

29:26

okay. But she

29:29

didn't really give him an explanation that he

29:31

thought he was gonna get about

29:33

why she kind of asked him off. That's

29:35

definitely weird. A few days later, he stops

29:38

by again. Here she comes out

29:40

of the house and tells him,

29:42

get back in your car and go home. So

29:44

Michael T asks if she's okay. And she

29:48

said, I'm fine. I'm

29:51

fine, Michael T. And he's like, is somebody bothering

29:53

you? What's the deal? Is

29:55

there somebody in that house? And

29:59

she's like, no. I promise you everything's fine.

30:01

I just need you to hurry up, get

30:03

in the car and go home. But this

30:05

time she added something else. If

30:08

you see any of your friends, don't

30:11

stop. Go

30:14

straight home. Okay.

30:16

That's bizarre. Yeah. So Michael T at this

30:18

point is thinking, you know what? Somebody's in

30:20

that damn house. Or she's nipping

30:22

the bud. But his, but

30:25

his mother emphatically insists that there was nobody in

30:28

the house and it had nothing to do with

30:30

her. He was tempted to kind of

30:32

rush past her and go in the house anyway, but he

30:34

said he would never disrespect his mother like that. So he

30:37

went home. What

30:39

a good son. Tracy, a few

30:41

days go by his mother calls and asks

30:44

if he can come by the house. He

30:47

says, yes, of course. He

30:49

said, when? She said, how soon

30:51

can you get here? All right, here we go.

30:53

So he leaves immediately goes to the

30:56

house. He said he's

30:58

got butterflies in his stomach the whole time

31:00

he's driving over there because he has no

31:02

clue what's going on. He don't know what

31:04

she's going to tell him. Is it bad

31:06

news? Is it good news? What, what is

31:08

she possibly? Yeah, I mean, I would be

31:10

worried about that myself. He's expecting bad news,

31:12

obviously. So Michael T says when he

31:15

gets to the house, the

31:18

air was so thick that you could cut it

31:20

with a knife. He

31:24

was so on edge that he was trembling.

31:28

His mother sits him

31:30

down and she tells

31:32

him that his lifelong friend Adrian

31:35

had been shot and killed. Oh,

31:38

Adrian was shot in the street by his

31:40

own cousin. Okay,

31:45

I'm confused. Okay. So

31:47

she tells him that his friend was

31:49

shot. Right. Did

31:52

she just find that out or had it been done? It

31:54

happened the night before. Okay.

31:56

Okay. Cause I'm like, how would you know that

31:58

none of that happened during. soul

34:01

collection time. He

34:04

was definitely gonna die soon according to his mother and there

34:06

wouldn't anything to be done about it. Of

34:10

course like many of us would have been.

34:13

Michael T felt like you know what maybe

34:15

I could have changed

34:17

the outcome of this if I could just talk to him. But

34:20

his mom said nope his time

34:22

was up. Now

34:24

if this story stopped right here

34:26

Tracy it would be a pretty good story. But

34:30

what happens next makes

34:32

it a great story. Michael

34:35

T goes back to his home that

34:38

same night. He's just

34:40

sitting there he's in disbelief. He's

34:43

going over all the what-ifs

34:46

in his head. The

34:48

next evening Michael

34:50

still destroyed. Michael T I

34:52

should say. Calls

34:55

his girlfriend she comes over to

34:57

the house for dinner. Just

34:59

as they start to eat dinner

35:02

the phone rings. His

35:04

girlfriend gets up she answers

35:06

the phone and after a few

35:08

seconds all the color

35:10

leaves her face. No no I

35:13

guess we know what this is about. She's

35:15

stunned. She says Michael

35:18

T it's a collect call from Adrian.

35:22

So Michael T's trying to figure out okay

35:24

are one of my friends playing

35:27

a really bad prank on me because this is

35:29

not the time or the place. No not cool

35:31

at all. He takes the phone

35:34

says hello and that

35:37

voice on the other side was

35:41

the voice that he had known his

35:43

entire life. This was 100% Adrian.

35:48

He's yelling Mike Mike. Michael

35:51

T hated to be called Mike

35:55

and only three or four people in his life actually

35:58

called him Mike. Adrian being

36:00

one of them. So

36:02

right off the bat, between that and

36:04

the voice, he knew it was Adrian. Adrian

36:07

said, help me, help me. You

36:10

know how to help me. Michael

36:13

was like, Adrian, where are you?

36:17

Adrian said, they're trying to take

36:19

me inside. I ran away, help

36:21

me. Help me right

36:23

now before they get back. Michael

36:26

T said he could hear voices

36:28

screaming at him in

36:31

the back for him being on the phone. And

36:34

then there was a sound in the

36:36

background that he

36:38

could only describe as like the roar

36:40

of a fire from a bonfire or

36:42

a barbecue or a fireplace. He

36:46

said he could hear people arguing with Adrian

36:48

in the background. Then

36:51

he could hear a struggle taking place. And

36:55

he was being obviously overrun.

37:00

And overpowered. He

37:03

kept hearing, no, no, I'm not

37:05

going. And then the phone

37:07

went completely dead. Michael

37:09

T stood there for a few minutes. He

37:12

was in complete amazement. He

37:16

talked to the operator, tried to

37:18

put a trace on the call. She

37:21

couldn't do it. She said

37:23

if it was a collect call, it

37:25

will be noted on your next phone bill though. There

37:30

was no collect call on the next phone bill. Michael

37:32

said he knows that he didn't imagine it because his girlfriends

37:35

wanted to answer the phone. Yeah. Adrian

37:40

kept saying, you know how

37:42

to help me. But Michael

37:44

T never understood what exactly that meant.

37:47

Really? Yep. So

37:50

he was getting dragged to hell, I guess, maybe. I guess. Oh,

37:53

wow. Talk

37:56

about that for a story. Wait, man. I

38:00

cannot even imagine that happening to

38:03

us even to have a phone call like

38:05

that Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah

38:09

Oh my gosh, I

38:11

mean that can mess your mind up for real and

38:14

you could say you could say Theoretically,

38:17

okay. Well, maybe it was somebody who

38:19

maybe didn't like Adrian and maybe

38:21

they didn't like Michael T So they decided we're gonna

38:23

call him and we're gonna make this prank But even

38:25

then it came from a collect call and there was

38:28

no right call on the bill Oh

38:30

my gosh Man, that

38:32

is creepy times a hundred it is. Oh

38:35

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with Amy Bruni. Oh boy All

38:45

right guys, so we've got the cruise coming up Yaya

38:48

and Then I got

38:51

something special to talk about tonight that we haven't been able

38:53

to talk about Of course, you know,

38:55

we've got the st. Augustine show coming up Which

38:58

is August 17th is our eighth year

39:02

anniversary We've got Diane

39:04

and Kelly that are gonna be

39:06

there from history goes bump and you know

39:08

last time we came to st Augustine we

39:11

did a tour of the st. Augustine lighthouse

39:13

a not a Tory Investigation.

39:16

Mm-hmm. So we gave some of you

39:18

an opportunity to purchase tickets. We're

39:20

gonna do something very similar tonight

39:24

So I'm gonna read you this so I don't screw it up. Okay

39:28

But Diane and Kelly of history goes bump

39:30

podcast will be hosting a private Investigation

39:33

at a home in st. Augustine that dates back

39:36

to the 1980s Despite

39:39

being a relatively new house. There's

39:41

a plethora of unexplained activity going on

39:43

at this house It's one

39:46

of the most haunted places Diane and

39:48

Kelly have investigated the investigation starts at 11

39:50

59 p.m. On Friday night August

39:53

16th and so the night before It

39:57

runs for two hours until 2 a.m. Investigation

40:01

equipment will be provided, but

40:03

you're welcome to bring your own as well. The

40:06

entire investigation will be recorded on

40:08

video and you'll be provided with

40:10

a link to the recordings after the

40:12

investigation. It takes about five business days

40:14

for that to happen. The tickets

40:16

are 50 bucks each. There

40:19

are only seven spaces available.

40:22

It's a small venue, so don't

40:24

delay getting tickets. They're

40:26

probably going to do some carpool from Beecher's

40:28

Lodge where some people are going to be

40:30

staying because parking is limited at the venue.

40:33

Make sure you book your rooms at

40:35

Beecher's Lodge. They still have

40:38

some rooms available from my understanding. That's

40:40

the same location we're doing the live event. You're

40:43

going to be right on the beach. You can't beat

40:45

it. I'm going to post

40:47

some links on our website

40:51

for this event as well. Okay, great. There's

40:54

only seven tickets left. That sounds so fun.

40:56

Go snag them up and go have a

40:59

blast. Nice, guys. Get

41:01

tickets for the St. Augustine Show too. Yeah, come

41:03

on out guys. We can't wait to see you all. Absolutely.

41:07

Tracy, what do you got going on over there? Well, our

41:09

iTunes this week was Jason007, SK Morse, you guys. Our

41:14

Patreon was Robert Presley Jr.

41:17

Thank you so much for your support. We

41:20

appreciate all your reviews. Keep them coming. We

41:22

need to have those to boost up our

41:24

show. We

41:26

love you. Appreciate all of you guys for doing that. Absolutely.

41:30

If you guys normally listen on

41:32

Apple, but you're seeing a

41:34

lot of the new episodes aren't showing up,

41:36

maybe you're listening to us on Spotify right

41:39

now because you couldn't find it on Apple.

41:42

Go back in to Apple and

41:44

unsubscribe and resubscribe. Give it about 15 minutes

41:46

and all that will show up. It's got

41:48

to do with us making that switch we

41:50

did a couple weeks ago. That's

41:53

jacked everything up. If

41:56

you're not on either one of them, you're just not hearing it.

41:58

I don't know what to tell you. Cause you won't hear it. That

42:01

makes me sad. Me too. Let's

42:04

listen. Amy. Hey

42:07

guys, it is always my pleasure to

42:09

bring you the best in the paranormal

42:11

community, and that's definitely what we got

42:13

tonight. And I'm proud to say on

42:15

for the third time on the Hobo

42:17

Lee horror stories. Miss Amy

42:20

Bruni. Of course, you know, Amy

42:22

from ghost hunters and seven seasons

42:24

of kindred spirit, crossing our fingers

42:26

for an eighth. Her podcast

42:28

haunted roads podcast. Amy,

42:31

you have dabbled into everything in the

42:33

paranormal community. You're a, you're a, a

42:35

trendsetter as far as women go in,

42:37

in the community. I know we've talked

42:39

about that a few times. A lot

42:41

of women look up to you as

42:43

to, uh, uh, help with them. See

42:46

that there is a path for women in the business. Thanks

42:48

for coming on the show. Of course.

42:50

Thanks for having me. It's good to see you. Well,

42:53

I want to point this out. The one thing

42:55

I didn't mention was that you, you know, obviously

42:57

you're an author as well, and

43:00

that's one of the reasons that we have you

43:02

on. You've got a new

43:04

book coming out food to die

43:06

for. Now I'm going

43:08

to tell you before we get into it, I kind

43:11

of had a similar idea of this,

43:13

but more for a television show years

43:16

ago, and I'll tell you about that. After you tell

43:19

everybody what exactly is your book food

43:21

to die for? Uh, so

43:24

food to die for it's recipes

43:26

and stories from America's most legendary

43:28

haunted locations. Um, it

43:30

is basically a compilation of

43:33

recipes from your favorite haunts all over

43:35

the country. Uh, and each

43:37

recipe is paired with the history

43:39

of the location as well as

43:41

the ghost stories of each location.

43:43

And so it's super in depth.

43:46

Uh, and it's just, honestly,

43:48

it was probably one of the most fun projects

43:50

I've ever done. I'm hoping we're already talking about

43:52

doing more of them. So I'm really hoping that

43:54

actually happens because it was just a joy to

43:56

put together. So what was

43:58

the inspiration for doing? in this, something

44:01

had to trigger it. There was

44:03

a moment, a switch was flipped.

44:05

It was when I was

44:09

on Facebook one day and

44:11

the Fall River Historical

44:13

Society posted a recipe

44:16

card of Lizzie

44:18

Borden's, where she, it was Lizzie

44:20

Borden's meatloaf. And it was like, Lizzie's meatloaf is

44:22

what she called it. And I

44:24

thought, oh my gosh, you can

44:26

actually just make Lizzie Borden's meatloaf.

44:29

And you'll make it and you'll eat

44:32

it. And it will be your chance

44:34

to experience something that the Borden's experienced

44:36

firsthand, the taste of it, the smell

44:38

of it. To

44:40

me, I don't know, I just took this

44:43

deep dive. It was a different, it's different

44:45

than looking at old historical photos or looking

44:47

at old artifacts or touring a location. You

44:49

are actually experiencing firsthand the same

44:52

thing that they did. Not

44:54

the axe murder part, but the, the ghost part.

44:56

That's what the red sauce is. And

45:00

so I was just kind of like intrigued by that.

45:02

And I don't eat red meat to be honest. So,

45:05

but I just was very intrigued by that.

45:07

And so I started kind of digging up

45:09

other recipes in historical locations, just kind of

45:11

wondering like what else is out there? So

45:14

that was really the starting point. And so the

45:16

rest, the book has all sorts

45:18

of recipes. There was, you know, vegetarian

45:21

recipes, meaty recipes, you name it. And we've

45:23

tested all of them. Some of them I

45:25

could not partake in because I am a

45:27

pescatarian, but, but

45:29

it was Lizzie Borden's meatloaf that kicked it off. That's

45:32

awesome. So, and this was actually

45:35

her recipe, correct? Yes, it

45:37

was her recipe. And I will say that

45:39

like, in like the

45:41

final edits of the book, the legal team was

45:43

a little concerned that people could get food poisoning.

45:46

Making for recipe. It is the

45:49

strangest meatloaf recipe I've ever seen. And

45:52

like, my collaborator on this project, one

45:54

of my best friends, Julie Tremaine, who

45:56

she's written a number of cookbooks. She

45:58

was the one. that had to

46:00

test that recipe. And

46:03

so like I would say most of the

46:05

recipes in the book are actually very delicious. But some

46:07

of the more historic ones that are in there just

46:09

to kind of show people like historically how people eat

46:12

can be a little iffy. And the meatloaf is

46:14

probably in the iffy category. But if you're adventurous,

46:16

I say go for it. What

46:18

do you think was the strangest recipe that you came

46:20

across? That's a good

46:23

one. I would say the

46:25

strangest recipe. Well, there's

46:27

a few. There's

46:30

one called Lumpy Dicks, which

46:32

is a family

46:34

show, Amy. Come on

46:37

now. Well, that is

46:39

from the don't we

46:41

took that from the Donner Party, actually. Oh,

46:43

no. No, you didn't. It was

46:45

a traditional. Let me

46:47

finish. But

46:51

that one is it was just a

46:53

very traditional recipe for that time period.

46:56

It's basically like flour and sugar and

46:58

water and cinnamon it's kind of

47:00

like their version of cream of wheat really is what it

47:02

is, but they called it Lumpy Dicks. But

47:05

when I saw the title, I was like, I have to

47:07

know what this is. And

47:10

then there's another the smear

47:13

case recipe. Seeley Rose, if you're familiar with

47:15

the Seeley Rose house and I believe it's

47:17

Ohio, but Seeley

47:19

Rose murdered her family by cooking

47:21

something called smear case and poisoning

47:24

it. And smear case is basically

47:26

cottage cheese. And so I didn't know how

47:28

to make cottage cheese, but we made it.

47:30

And it's great. But

47:33

don't put the poison in it. Yeah, I can see

47:35

that might be an issue. So

47:39

tell me about the research that went into

47:41

this. I mean, did you put

47:44

out some calls for, hey, if you know

47:46

of a recipe at a place, that would

47:48

wait because I would think that would be

47:50

a daunting task to find

47:53

recipes because that's not the most

47:55

common connection to haunted places. And

47:57

listen to that. No, that's a

47:59

good question. really varied because some

48:02

of the locations I

48:04

was able to find historic cookbooks and stuff.

48:06

You know like Alcatraz, I was almost immediately

48:08

able to find a delicious

48:11

cookie recipe that the Warden's

48:13

wife would make sometimes for

48:15

the inmates. And

48:18

they're these like really great sugar cookies.

48:20

And so that one

48:22

I found like an actual cookbook

48:24

published by this like prison association.

48:28

And then you have other

48:30

ones that were like I had to

48:32

kind of research the time period more than

48:34

the location specifically. Like there's a

48:37

location in New Orleans, I believe it's

48:39

the Herman Grimes house or Grameer. I

48:41

can't remember. That's one of the only

48:43

locations I have not been to. But

48:45

we researched a recipe from

48:47

the time period instead. And I found a recipe from

48:49

like an 1885 Creole cookbook.

48:52

You know and so sometimes you have

48:54

to go back really far. But then

48:57

other times, you know, I'm looking

48:59

at places like the Myrtles in

49:01

Louisiana as well where they handed me

49:03

like their bread pudding croissant recipe, which

49:05

is like literally to die for. They

49:08

it's their specialty and it's so good.

49:11

Or like the Mount Washington Hotel they gave

49:14

us they're like the every morning at the

49:16

Mount Washington Hotel they serve breakfast and they

49:18

serve this like blueberry sausage that everybody goes

49:20

crazy for and they gave us that actual

49:23

recipe. So there's just a number

49:25

of like kind of more modern recipes that

49:27

the place is actually supplied and then some

49:29

more historic deep dives that I had to

49:31

kind of do myself. Nice.

49:34

Yeah there's a you

49:36

saying that made me think about there

49:38

is a hotel in right

49:42

outside of Richmond, Kentucky.

49:46

And it's it's historic and the name escapes me

49:48

but they're they're famous for their spoon bread but

49:50

that place is supposed to be haunted and they

49:52

make spoon bread there and I'm thinking that would

49:54

have been a perfect recipe. I love see that's

49:57

why I need to do a volume too. But

49:59

speaking of content. I did the there's

50:01

a vegetable soup from Waverly Hills,

50:03

like a tuberculosis, like vegetable soup,

50:06

that's actually quite delicious. You

50:09

know, so it's, you would be

50:11

surprised, but like I actually, I made

50:13

that for the family. They all loved it. I made

50:15

it again and we froze half of it. So there's

50:17

a lot of really good recipes in there. It's

50:20

such a fantastic idea for a book. I can't wait

50:23

to get my hands on it. So

50:26

let me tell you what my idea was and how

50:28

it kind of corresponds. Yeah. My

50:30

idea was kind of like what you guys do on

50:33

Ghost Hunters Kindred Spirits, but

50:35

it's like a combination of that and diners dive

50:37

ins and drives. So it would

50:40

be a situation to where you go to a

50:42

haunted restaurant, do an investigation

50:44

for half of the show. And then the other

50:46

half, you pick their signature

50:48

dish and have the chef show

50:50

you how to make it and all that. So that

50:53

was kind of my idea of what a TV show

50:55

might be. Like I said, four or

50:57

five years ago, but I had nobody to get it to. Well,

51:00

I will tell you shows like

51:02

similar ideas have been pitched for

51:04

years to the networks. Everyone wants

51:06

to combine food and ghosts because

51:08

we go to so many haunted

51:11

eateries and hotels. And like, and

51:14

so it's just been this thing that

51:16

people have been trying to do for so long. And

51:19

I don't know why networks never

51:21

saw that vision, you know,

51:23

like, cause I know a number of people

51:25

that pitched shows kind of like building on

51:27

similar ideas and they just never did

51:29

it. And so now I was

51:31

like, well, I'll just write a cookbook then. So

51:35

maybe it'll become a show one day. We'll see. Who

51:37

knows? My other idea for a show I thought was

51:40

creative was have couples that get married and

51:42

then they spend their first night of marriage of

51:44

their honeymoon in a haunted location. And you film

51:46

it, you can mix the wedding shows that used

51:48

to be really big. They're not as

51:50

big now, but they used to be really big

51:53

six, seven, eight years ago. And I thought that

51:55

would be a way to jump on that bandwagon.

51:57

That's the ultimate test of your marriage. Okay.

52:01

Tell me about where we're at on the with

52:03

kindred spirits. I know a season seven finished the

52:05

last year. I'm holding my

52:07

fingers for a season eight. I know. I

52:09

mean, I think everyone is, you know, there's this

52:12

big merger that happened. And I, I, I speak

52:14

to this a lot because I'm trying to be

52:16

really transparent with people, but this

52:18

big merger happened with discovery

52:20

and WB and like max and

52:22

all that and travel channel has

52:24

kind of like, it's barely limping

52:26

along right now. Like it has

52:29

a skeleton crew. And

52:31

so they're just not signing new

52:33

shows right now. They're not renewing shows. And,

52:36

um, but I always tell people

52:38

like, I mean, there's so there's not

52:40

like that. All hope is not lost for

52:42

kindred. Like we, I just got a, uh,

52:45

you know, email yesterday about someone who

52:47

works in like network television, who's looking

52:49

at like maybe bringing us somewhere else.

52:52

But I always tell people like, this is

52:54

the greatest time to be a paranormal TV

52:56

fan, because in the olden days, back when

52:58

I started on ghost hunters, if a show

53:00

got canceled, that was it, you had no

53:02

access to the people who

53:04

you grew to love and enjoy, but

53:07

now people who are on paranormal television,

53:09

like they might not be on your

53:11

network TV right now, but they are

53:13

out there doing so many wonderful things,

53:15

you know, they're all online. They're creating

53:17

content for YouTube. They're doing all these

53:19

different projects. They're writing books, they're doing,

53:21

you know, and so they're actually very

53:23

accessible. So I always encourage people.

53:26

Like if your favorite paranormal people are not

53:28

on TV right now, don't lose heart. Just

53:30

support them in other ways until you can

53:32

see them on TV again, or until they

53:34

do their next project, but yeah, it's just

53:37

a weird, it's a weird, uh, dynamic

53:39

right now. Cause I, I

53:41

kind of love this freeing thing where I can

53:43

do whatever I want. But

53:47

everyone loves kindred so much, which I also completely

53:49

understand. I miss it too. Haunted

53:52

roads podcast. When you first came out with it, I

53:55

thought that was a fantastic idea. Loved it. Uh,

53:58

six seasons. listener

56:01

couple of weeks ago sent

56:03

me a link

56:07

to a story and said, hey, I don't know if you guys

56:09

have ever covered this, but

56:12

you should you should give it a listen or

56:16

at least a thought about covering

56:18

it and the funny thing about

56:20

that was I had somebody else that this

56:22

is a person that I rarely talk to.

56:24

Yeah, but I

56:26

had somebody else message me that same day

56:29

to ask a question because we had switched

56:31

networks on the podcast and

56:33

she had a question and I hadn't talked

56:35

to that person in a year. Do you

56:38

know what that person wrote me exactly a

56:40

year ago to the day this person did

56:43

an article about Fox Hollow Farm? Yeah, so

56:45

I had two people message me the same

56:47

day that I rarely talk to and exactly

56:49

one year to the day both

56:52

of them brought up Fox Hollow Farm. Yeah,

56:55

I mean, it's wild that place is

56:57

just wild in general just the history

56:59

of what went on there and how

57:01

it went undetected for so long and

57:04

so yeah clearly the the synchronicities are strong

57:06

for you with that one. You have to

57:08

do an episode on we

57:10

had a young lady who was she

57:14

worked for the Jasper newsboy out of Texas

57:16

and she came on one of our episodes

57:19

and she told pretty much the whole story

57:21

because she had covered it in one of

57:23

her final college papers. So I

57:25

thought she was perfect. She had been coming on the show a

57:28

few times. She was a great guest and

57:30

and she was a great storyteller. So I thought you

57:32

know rather than us coverage. She wrote a whole page

57:35

on it and story in college

57:37

let her cover it and she did a great job

57:39

with it. So it's been six years ago or so

57:41

since we did it, but you

57:43

haven't had Richard S step on your show

57:45

yet. I haven't yeah, he's fabulous. If not

57:48

for that subject. He's got a myriad of

57:50

things you can talk about, but he's he's

57:52

a great guest. He's a dear friend of

57:54

mine and you would love him. Yeah,

57:57

we've talked a little bit back and forth on on

57:59

face. Facebook, but I don't think we've ever been able

58:01

to hammer out a date, but no, he's on the

58:03

list. Yeah, good, good. Let

58:06

me ask you this. You've got something going

58:09

on the paranormal circle. Can you discuss that for

58:11

a little bit? Yeah, so

58:13

given the current drought and

58:15

paranormal television that's affecting every

58:18

paranormal fan, I

58:20

developed this kind of membership program for

58:23

paranormal enthusiasts or people who are into

58:25

the ghosts in history and it's called

58:27

the paranormal circle and

58:29

it's basically it's this portal to where

58:32

like you go in and it's we

58:34

do we have live webcams at haunted

58:37

locations 24 seven. We

58:39

do live streaming investigations. We do weekly

58:41

live chats. There's discounts to all sorts

58:43

of paranormal retailers like ghostop if you

58:46

want equipment or strange escapes, you know,

58:48

if you want to discount going on

58:50

a trip or and

58:53

there's like a private Facebook group and in-person

58:55

meetups at any of the big conventions if

58:58

you come to the big conventions and I'm

59:00

there and the circle team is there you

59:02

get like free swag and it's like a

59:04

private party and all it's just

59:06

like this opportunity for all the weirdos

59:09

like us to like get together more

59:11

often and kind of unite and so

59:13

yeah, we just opened it up a

59:15

few weeks ago and the response has

59:18

been massive and it's been so much

59:20

fun. So yeah, it's I think it's like it's $8

59:22

a month. I think

59:24

or or $10 a month if you're monthly or $8

59:26

you pay annually and you get

59:28

like a little membership kit with a card and

59:30

a t-shirt. So it's

59:32

it's fun. Nice.

59:34

So tell everybody if they're

59:36

unfamiliar with strange estapes. Oh

59:39

strange escapes is my paranormal travel company.

59:41

So basically I plan haunted vacations that

59:43

people can join us on so like

59:45

in September. We're going on a cruise

59:47

in New England and

59:49

stopping at haunted places all up and down

59:52

the coast like any chance I get to

59:54

mix all the things I love which is

59:56

like ghosts travel food wine. I'm gonna take

59:59

it. Hanging out with weird people. I'm gonna

1:00:01

put it all together and I'm gonna make

1:00:03

it into a thing. That's

1:00:06

awesome. I know I've looked at a couple of

1:00:08

them and timing didn't work out in

1:00:10

the past but I'm gonna make it to one

1:00:13

of them eventually especially up in New England. I

1:00:15

wish I could do more of them. I'm just

1:00:17

so busy so there's usually only like three to

1:00:19

six a year but they're usually big. We're like

1:00:21

famous for our huge theme parties. They usually sell

1:00:24

out pretty fast but if you can get into

1:00:26

one I highly recommend it. So

1:00:28

now that you brought up New England give

1:00:31

me your thoughts on Salem as a

1:00:33

city. Give me a thought on

1:00:35

like how the feeling is there. You know when you

1:00:37

walk into Savannah or you go

1:00:40

into New Orleans or St. Augustine there's

1:00:42

just a feeling of vibe that's different.

1:00:44

Do you get that in Salem? I've

1:00:46

never been there so I'm

1:00:48

curious what your thoughts are. You

1:00:50

absolutely do. So Salem

1:00:52

is so interesting in the fact

1:00:55

that it's

1:00:57

kind of this like dichotomy you know

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where you had the Salem witch trials

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happen which were

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these people actually witches most likely not

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but they were persecuted for being witches

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but then what grew from that

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horrible tragedy and moment in time

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is this kind of mecca for

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witches to kind of like come from

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all over the world like it is

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their like pilgrimage in a way and

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so you just have this really vibrant

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fascinating city now with all

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these cool shops and stores

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and restaurants and ghost tours

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and museums and like it's

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just it's a really great place to visit

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and and I think that it's it's

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interesting how historically like something like

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that is so awful but

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from it grew something really

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special ultimately. Not

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that it you know there's no real like

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trade-off per se but

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it's just I find it very interesting and I

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love the history in Salem. I love visiting. I

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am not one to visit in October.