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Previously on Hot Money,
1:00
US undercover agents made a connection
1:02
between money launderers working for European
1:04
drug traffickers and top level officials
1:07
in Iran. It was part of a ski to
1:09
help the regime evade American sanctions
1:12
and source heavy weapons.
1:16
This time, a whole new money laundering
1:18
operation comes into view, invented
1:21
by the man at the top of the Dubai Supercartel,
1:25
Daniel Kinahan. Back
1:27
in episode four, we left him living a
1:29
life of luxury in Dubai. He just
1:32
got married and business was booming
1:34
as the supercartel joined forces
1:36
to grow their trafficking operations. Across
1:38
Europe and Daniel his
1:40
new career as a boxing manager. It was
1:42
about to take off. Remember
1:44
back in Spain, he helped open a gym called
1:47
MTK and signed up and coming
1:49
boxers from Ireland. In the UK, he
1:51
set them up in nice villas and hired the best
1:53
trainers and arranged their fights. Unlike
1:56
his father, Daniel appeared to like
1:58
being a public figure to revel
2:00
in the attention he got. He was living
2:02
a dual life, enjoying the status
2:05
of a top drug trafficker and the image
2:07
of a high flying boxing promoter. It
2:10
seemed to me that he thought boxing was
2:12
his path to being accepted as a legitimate
2:14
businessman, but something inside
2:17
him meant he just couldn't leave the world
2:19
of crime behind. Now
2:22
it's twenty twenty, Daniel kinahans
2:24
in Dubai and he's taken his boxing promotion
2:26
business there with him. He's working on
2:28
the biggest boxing deal of his life
2:31
and if he pulls it off, it will catapult
2:33
him to the very top of the sport.
2:36
Hello there, I'm just after getting off the phone
2:38
with Daniel Kinahan.
2:40
That's world famous heavyweight champion Tyson
2:43
Fury. He's a fast talking
2:45
shaven headed nineteen stone Man
2:48
Mountain and on that afternoon he's
2:50
even more excitable than usual. He
2:52
posts on social media, He's
2:54
just informed.
2:55
Me that the biggest fight
2:57
in Bridges boxing history has just been agreed.
3:00
Gear that my boy.
3:03
Big shout out done.
3:04
He got this done.
3:05
Two fight deal Tyson
3:07
Fury versus Anthony josh next
3:10
year.
3:11
The announcement it stuns the world
3:14
of boxing. After
3:16
winning a world heavyweight title five years
3:18
earlier, Fury's career it's been in a
3:20
slump, but since meeting Daniel
3:22
Kinahan, he's made an epic comeback.
3:25
He's beaten the previously undefeated
3:27
and reigning WBC champion Deonte
3:29
Wilder in this huge Las Vegas
3:31
showdown, and that means Fury's
3:34
upcoming bout against fellow British heavyweight
3:36
Anthony Joshua. It's immediately billed
3:39
as one of the biggest fights in the history of
3:41
the sport. It's going
3:43
to be an international extravaganza broadcast
3:45
across the world. Pay per view sales
3:47
and sponsorship are going to generate hundreds
3:50
of millions of dollars and Fury he's
3:52
crediting Daniel Kinahan with pulling the whole
3:54
thing together, and Daniel's
3:57
not only organizing these box office prize
3:59
fights, He's also started to rub shoulders
4:01
with Royalty. Around
4:03
the same time that Fury's fights announced,
4:06
Daniels signed up as a special advisor on
4:08
combat sports by a company belonging
4:10
to the Prince of Bahrain. The press
4:12
release describes him as an international boxing
4:15
powerbroker. And shortly
4:17
before that, Daniel shows up with a charity
4:19
gala in Kazakhstan wearing a tuxedo
4:22
and sitting next to him is none other than
4:24
Bob Aarum, one of the most influential
4:26
figures in boxing history.
4:29
Aram.
4:29
He's promoted Muhammad Ali and he's an inductee
4:31
into the Boxing Hall of Fame.
4:34
We have great confidence in Kenahan.
4:37
We think he's very very,
4:39
very honest, very astute.
4:41
He has great connections.
4:43
And now he's singing the praises of
4:46
Daniel Kinahan.
4:47
You know, I like to deal
4:49
with guys, no nonsense, people whose
4:52
word is their bond, and
4:55
that's what it's been with
4:57
Daniel.
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But just as Daniel Kinahan's reputation
5:01
as a boxing magnate starts to soar,
5:04
some people are starting to look more closely
5:06
at the source of his fortune.
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I'm Miles Johnson and from the Financial
5:15
Times and Pushkin Industries. This is
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Hot Money, season two, the New Narcos,
5:21
episode seven, Against the Ropes.
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The thing that first pulled me into this story was
5:47
when a source told me, if you really
5:49
want to understand the exploding European
5:51
cocaine trade, you need to take a close
5:54
look at a murder in a small Dutch town.
5:57
And that led me to an Amsterdam murder
5:59
broker, a Dublin safehouse, the
6:01
Kinnahans, and then the Iranian
6:03
government. For a while,
6:06
the way this connection worked, it just wasn't
6:08
clear, and then we found something.
6:11
The thing that links these unlikely characters together
6:14
is the mechanics of sanctions of Asian
6:17
and money laundering. But
6:19
if anyone can help me really understand
6:22
how all of this works, it's a guy called
6:24
Quentin mug.
6:25
I'm a French police commander. I
6:28
am currently working in the EUROPEOL
6:31
which he's the European
6:33
agency for criminal police.
6:36
I first met Quentin after other police
6:38
contacts told me that he was one of the best in the
6:40
world at complex money laundering cases.
6:43
He's got dark, floppy hair, a stubbly
6:45
beard, and he talks with the unassuming
6:47
calmness of a gallic colombo. He
6:50
doesn't miss a trick if you're trying to launder
6:52
your drugs money in a shipman of seafood.
6:55
He's the sort of guy who'll swivel around at the last
6:57
minute and say just one more
6:59
thing.
7:01
You know, instinct kicks in. You
7:03
tell me is that you imported a hundred thousand
7:06
euros worth of shrimps. But what shrimp
7:08
was at a frozen
7:10
shrimp big streams? But I guess cash scrips?
7:12
Then what was exactly in the continue? You
7:14
don't know. That's that's how it.
7:16
Works, Quentin. He lives
7:19
and breathes this sort of stuff, and he's actually written
7:21
a book about it. It's called gen Salle
7:23
or Dirty Money.
7:25
So I started to pick up on these aspects
7:27
of the job because essentially everybody
7:29
wakes up for money, including the criminals,
7:32
and I really started to enjoy
7:34
it.
7:35
Quentin actually worked on part of the DEA's
7:37
investigation into Iman Kobesi and
7:39
ended up arresting a French associate of hers.
7:42
He says there's one important reason
7:44
why drug traffickers might end up working
7:47
with someone like Kobesi. Criminals
7:50
and sanctioned governments. They've got a problem in
7:52
common. They can't just freely move money
7:54
around the international banking system,
7:56
so both need to find more creative methods,
7:59
methods that law enforcement agencies can't
8:01
track.
8:02
And that is the beauty of it, to be honest, because
8:05
basically this appeal
8:08
for and a NIMI is something
8:10
that the wood underworld has in common.
8:13
As a cocaine market in Europe has boomed,
8:16
massive amounts of dirty cash are started to
8:18
pile up and to make their businesses
8:20
work to pay suppliers in Latin
8:22
America, pay henchmen, or buy
8:24
a mansion in Dubai. The car tells
8:27
they need to keep that money from getting stuck.
8:29
It's a critical logistical headache of being
8:31
a drug trafficker but moving
8:33
billions secretly around the world. It's
8:36
actually quite hard. Imagine
8:38
a drug trafficker has say ten million
8:40
dollars in the Netherlands and.
8:42
You would like that to be in Dubai.
8:45
So now he's got a number of options. You could move
8:48
it himself, as that's been setting some cash
8:50
careers, taking zerisk of being spudied at
8:52
the airport. He could try to transform
8:55
it into something else, maybe
8:57
jewelry, wa cheese, whatever. But
8:59
again you need to transport it. You could try
9:01
to hide these tracks by
9:04
converting that money into other
9:06
goods such as cars, and
9:08
then ship them away, get the cars
9:11
somewhere in another country, sell them,
9:13
justify the profit and take it away. But then you
9:15
need companies, you need important But it's complete lydy.
9:17
Oh, you can just pick up your phone.
9:19
Pick up your phone and call a money
9:21
broker. They're specialists
9:23
to operate in a huge underground banking
9:26
system and it's critical infrastructure
9:28
for the underworld.
9:29
So I would simply contact
9:31
the money brokers. The money broker would
9:34
send me a money collector. That
9:37
money collector will come to me, usually
9:39
with a banknote.
9:41
It's pretty hard to feel comfortable handing
9:43
over massive suitcases of cash to a
9:45
stranger, so they've come up with a sort
9:47
of verification system. The
9:49
person picking up the cash they have to show a
9:51
serial number of a specific banknote
9:53
to prove their identity.
9:55
And it was in two three days, I would have an equivalent
9:57
talment of money in the country I
9:59
want.
10:00
So it's sort of like a secret currency exchange
10:03
service, but for major criminals.
10:05
But the concept that took me a little
10:07
while to get my head around is that the actual
10:10
physical cash it doesn't ever move.
10:13
It stays in the same place. The
10:17
networks have supplies of cash in different
10:19
countries, in places like warehouses,
10:22
and instead of moving it, they simply
10:24
pay you out from the supply they have in
10:26
the place you need it, minus a commission.
10:29
Of course, this works because
10:31
people doing the reverse trade to you, customers
10:33
moving money in the other direction, they will replenish
10:36
the supply of cash from where you collected it
10:38
at one of the networks to facto offices around
10:40
the world.
10:41
The most basic often comes in the
10:43
form of a little shop grocery
10:47
stores that opens late and so very
10:49
expensive apples, and then everybody goes.
10:51
But how is it possible that it is still open where.
10:59
There's a lot of that.
11:00
Before I'd heard about this, I'd assumed that modern
11:03
money laundering was high tech, using
11:05
things like cryptocurrencies or complex
11:07
financial instruments. Actually really
11:09
surprised to learn that it's pretty old school.
11:12
Quentin says that this modern shadow banking
11:15
system, it's similar to the principles of
11:17
hawala networks that were used by Eastern
11:19
traders from the fourteenth century.
11:21
So the Hawala system is basically
11:23
a very ancient system that consisting is
11:26
based on trust and it's
11:29
based on a network of Hawala
11:31
dhas before running this kind of
11:33
informal network. It was used
11:36
a long time ago, even in the Middle Aged when you were
11:38
traveling, you didn't want to, you know, wander
11:40
around the roads with golden use. So what you
11:42
would do you would make a deposits
11:45
in the merchant who has an
11:47
agreement with his
11:50
suppliers. Let's say I don't know it's the Middle East,
11:52
and then when you would arrive there, you would choose a
11:54
note and somebody would give you an
11:56
equivalent amount of money based
11:59
on trust.
11:59
I'm also just interested in the capacity
12:02
of his systems because we're talking hundreds
12:04
of millions of not billions potentially of
12:08
money. The liquidity that deep
12:10
that you can move that
12:12
much money through this.
12:13
Start it's going to be a short term swer
12:15
it yes, wow, it
12:18
is.
12:20
So there are billions of dollars circulating
12:22
through these black market brokers, and
12:24
it's not just drug barons who are using them.
12:26
There are tax evaders, human traffickers,
12:29
warlords, terrorist groups, and
12:32
people moving money for sanctioned governments.
12:35
There's this strange thing in Europe and
12:37
it's that the number of physical banknotes
12:39
in circulation over the last decade, it's
12:42
actually gone up, but the number
12:44
of people paying for stuff with cash, it's
12:46
gone down. And central banks
12:49
they can have a pretty hard time knowing where
12:51
all of that physical cash has gone. In
12:54
the UK alone, the Bank of England,
12:56
it believes that there's about fifty billion pounds
12:58
in cash in circulation, but it
13:00
just can't be accounted for. No one
13:02
knows where it is. And
13:05
meanwhile, Quentin's seeing signs that the number
13:07
of money brokers is going on.
13:10
I've seen the commission drop.
13:13
It's not a good sign because
13:15
they're asking for less and less money. Zans
13:18
that there are more and more competitors and there is
13:20
more and more money out there.
13:23
Like Quentin said at the start, everybody
13:25
in the world a crime. They wake up for money.
13:27
And over in the United States, one lawyer
13:30
is starting to dig deeper into the Kinahan
13:32
money machine.
13:33
In the Middle East, Daniel
13:48
Kinahan is living in Dubai. They're
13:51
having a party in Dubai. They're getting
13:53
away with, you know, a lot of stuff. It
13:55
seems to be in Dubai and he
13:57
felt, I think untouchable.
13:59
Eric Montalvo is an attorney in Washington,
14:01
DC and before getting into law,
14:04
he served for twenty one years as an active duty
14:06
marine in the US military in the First
14:08
Golf War in Iraq and in Afghanistan.
14:11
When I transitioned into the civilian community,
14:14
I eventually started my firm in twenty eleven
14:16
and I practice national international
14:19
law.
14:21
And then one day in twenty twenty, Eric
14:23
got a call from a boxing promoter who was
14:25
furious one of the promoters
14:28
most successful fighters was leaving. He'd
14:30
switch to another promotion company, one
14:32
called MTK. It's
14:35
the company that Daniel Kinahan co founded
14:37
back in Spain, and by twenty twenty
14:39
one, MTK Global, like
14:41
Daniel, is based in Dubai. MTK
14:44
has become a major player in the boxing
14:47
world and this fighter he wants
14:49
to move over to them, but he's still under
14:51
contract, so there's a dispute,
14:53
and the current promoter asked Eric to take
14:55
on his case.
14:57
Before this, I was not really
14:59
a boxing litigator, if you will,
15:01
like the boxing profession was not something that
15:03
I was intimately familiar with in
15:06
terms of the business side. Right,
15:08
you know, I'm a fan and I would watch
15:10
a fight, you know what have you, But
15:13
I really had never got from a litigation
15:15
standpoint into the back end of what
15:17
was going on, so I really was in a learning
15:19
curve on this.
15:21
Eric's not studying the contracts, and MTK
15:24
looks just like any other multinational company.
15:27
On its face, it looked very legitimate
15:30
and very powerful compared to even
15:32
any US company. No one could
15:34
really compete with them, and they
15:36
had endorsements from high level boxing
15:39
professionals, right Bob aram
15:41
So my first review of them
15:44
was that they were a big professional
15:46
boxing corporation international
15:48
and that I just had to hold them accountable
15:51
for contract issues.
15:53
But then Eric comes across the name
15:55
Daniel Kinahan. At
15:57
the time, back in twenty twenty one, most
16:00
of the boxing world had embraced Kinahan
16:02
as a legitimate businessman, Eric's
16:05
or something else.
16:06
When I focused in on him,
16:10
obviously, I'm a former prosecutor,
16:12
so you know that
16:15
got my eyebrows raised.
16:17
Now, there's a long history in boxing of people
16:19
with let's say, a colorful past,
16:22
and initially Eric thought that the rumors
16:24
around Daniel Kinahan would have no bearing
16:26
on the contractual dispute. But as Eric
16:28
started to look at MTK's business model,
16:31
it seemed strange. One
16:33
of the ways that the company was able to recruit
16:35
so many fighters to its roster was by
16:37
offering them hugely favorable terms,
16:40
terms that seemed to defy financial
16:42
logic.
16:43
When I started trying to understand
16:46
the financials of
16:48
what was happening, nothing made
16:50
sense. No business can
16:53
spend the amount of money in litigation,
16:57
you know, fighter bonuses, all of these
16:59
things when
17:01
that money is not coming from fights.
17:04
For example, you could have a situation where
17:06
a boxer makes, say five hundred thousand
17:08
dollars in a fire, but the boxing company
17:10
promoting them pays them seven hundred
17:12
thousand dollars.
17:14
Where's that money coming from.
17:16
Daniel Kinahan had officially parted
17:18
ways with MTK back in twenty seventeen.
17:21
His links to organized crime had made it difficult
17:23
to be the public face of the company.
17:25
Everyone's paying attention to you, probably
17:28
for a good reason, so you know, take a
17:30
back seat and you're no longer part of MTK.
17:33
The problem is is that mister Kinahan wasn't
17:35
able to do that. He either
17:37
loved the boxing game, loved
17:39
the limelight whatever it was,
17:41
but he could not help himself, and so he
17:44
was publicly coming out over and over
17:47
again and participating in the fighting
17:50
arena.
17:51
And as Eric digs deeper into MTK's
17:53
finances, he discovers that the company
17:55
seems to have found an innovative way of moving
17:57
money around the globe.
17:59
It became clear to me as a prosecutor that
18:02
what they were doing is they were using
18:05
the fighters as a way
18:07
to move money through the system. And
18:11
so preliminarily, what I see
18:13
is that let's say they put a million
18:15
dollars in the fighter's account that wasn't for
18:17
the fighter to keep. What
18:20
it was was they would then take that money
18:22
out a month or two later, and
18:26
then it would go to a property
18:28
or go to some other
18:30
venture from the fighter's account.
18:33
And these were typically new accounts,
18:35
so the fighter would set up a new account, there
18:37
would be a very significant amount
18:39
of money coming in to the account,
18:42
and then that money would leave shortly thereafter,
18:45
and you go to pay
18:47
for some other thing that's unrelated
18:49
to the fighter or anything
18:52
else. So that is
18:55
money laundering.
18:56
Let's stop here for a moment, because
18:59
what Eric claims is happening using
19:01
boxing to launder money. It's
19:03
a pretty serious allegation. Up
19:07
until now, most people have seen Daniel
19:09
Kinahan's rise in boxing as an attempt to
19:11
clean up his reputation. But
19:14
maybe, if Eric's right, it
19:16
was more than that. The
19:18
boxing and the crime, they
19:20
weren't two different worlds, they were
19:22
part of the same thing. Eric's
19:26
next move is to file a legal case in California
19:28
for his client. It says MTK
19:31
is quote overseen by mister Daniel
19:33
Kinahan, and that Kinnahan started
19:36
MTK to quote laun the ill
19:38
gotten gains from drug trafficking. It
19:41
was part of a civil claim seeking compensation
19:43
from MTK. MTK
19:45
responds it strongly denies
19:47
what it called wild allegations,
19:49
and it says MTK Global
19:52
is not a front for a European drug cartel,
19:55
does not engage in money laundering, and
19:57
does not make money from the sale of illicit
20:00
drugs. It also denied
20:02
having any ongoing ties to Daniel Kinahan.
20:05
We should also be clear that there's no suggestion
20:08
that the boxers associated with MTK
20:10
were involved in any criminal activity. At
20:14
the time Eric's theory, it
20:16
wasn't a popular one.
20:19
Most of the people that were around
20:21
me that knew what I was doing thought I
20:23
was a little bit of a crackpot, right like
20:25
you know, what are you talking about.
20:27
Like, first of all, MTK's legitimate, you
20:30
know organization. I mean, people were saying
20:32
as Bob Aaron was saying it, the California Commissioner
20:34
was saying it. Everybody was like, you
20:36
know, this Montavo guy is crazy
20:39
and all of the stuff.
20:40
You're going up in this instance
20:42
against people who
20:45
at.
20:45
The time.
20:47
Are seen as extremely
20:49
dangerous, you know, like some of the most
20:51
dangerous criminals in the whole world, people
20:54
who are linked to multiple,
20:56
multiple homicides. And I was just wondering
20:59
what you were sort of thinking at the time about
21:01
that part of it.
21:02
I mean, in terms of my own personal safety
21:05
or.
21:05
In terms of your own personal safety.
21:07
Maybe I'm not, you
21:10
know, the most normal
21:12
person in the world, but I mean, you know, I went
21:15
to war at twenty right,
21:17
I'm not gonna not do what I have
21:19
to do because I'm afraid that's somehow
21:22
shape or form, someone's gonna
21:24
want me dead because I'm complaining
21:26
about what they're doing.
21:27
You know.
21:27
I just if that's the case, I shouldn't be an
21:29
attorney right.
21:31
To start the US legal case against Kinahan. They're
21:33
going to have to find him so they can serve him
21:35
the papers and finding a man
21:37
who's been busy evading law enforcement agencies
21:40
for years. It might sound a bit tricky, but
21:42
Eric had a plan.
21:44
When you're trying to be a legitimate businessman,
21:46
you have to register your business,
21:49
and so in Dubai it's no different
21:52
right they expect you to file the proper
21:54
documents, et cetera. So once
21:57
I saw he was in Dubai,
21:59
I focused my efforts there. And
22:02
if you look at Palm Islands, right,
22:05
there's two of them.
22:06
They're two man made islands jutting out from
22:08
the coast of both engineered
22:10
in the shape of palm trees so that each luxury
22:13
property has its own waterfront.
22:15
And if you have the amount of money that you know
22:18
mister Kinahan has access
22:20
to, and you know the pictures
22:22
and everything else you see, it
22:24
made sense that he was likely
22:27
living on one of those islands.
22:30
So Eric he'd figured out where Daniel Kinahan
22:33
was living in Dubai, and he'd hired
22:35
someone to go and deliver the US court papers
22:37
to his address. Now, the next
22:39
question was how would Daniel
22:41
respond. So
23:00
Daniel's figuring out how to deal with this
23:02
legal case against him, and at the same
23:05
time there are now signs that Dubai,
23:07
once a paradise for your criminals,
23:10
has begun to crack down. The
23:12
first members of the supercartel are
23:14
starting to fall. Ridu Antargi
23:17
one of the guests at Daniel Kinahan's wedding and
23:19
a notorious Dutch cocaine boss.
23:22
He's arrested in Dubai and charged with
23:24
multiple murders, and the Emirate agrees
23:26
to send him back to the Netherlands to face trial.
23:29
Another wedding guest, the Chilean traffick
23:32
are known as El Rico. He's arrested
23:34
in Latin America and extracited to the Netherlands.
23:36
Two Daniel Kinahan's
23:39
still safe in Dubai, but the pressure
23:41
back in Ireland is starting to build. There's
23:44
outrage in the Irish Parliament. The day after
23:46
Tyson Fury posts about Kinahan arranging
23:48
the Joshua fight. Leova redcar
23:51
Ireland's TISUK, the Prime Minister. He
23:53
says he's taken aback by Kinahan's
23:55
involvement, citing his checkered past.
23:58
He asks Iland's Foreign ministry to talk to
24:00
the UAE government about it urgently. Days
24:03
later, the Prince of Barren dumps Kinahan
24:05
as an advisor, and Bob Aarum announces
24:08
that he's going to have or Tyson furious negotiations
24:10
from now on, not Daniel Kinahan.
24:14
Daniel's now on the back foot, and he makes a
24:16
kind of surprising decision. He
24:18
launches a public relations campaign
24:21
to save his reputation as a legitimate businessman.
24:24
A bizarre film appears on the Internet
24:26
called The Regency Discover
24:28
the Truth.
24:30
And this isn't some.
24:31
Cobbled together home video. It's
24:33
a professional project. It's a dramatic
24:36
reenactment of the assassination attempt
24:38
against Daniel in twenty sixteen in Dublin.
24:40
It features a handsome actor playing him,
24:43
who's portrayed as the victim in the whole
24:45
thing.
24:47
When Daniel Kinahan arrived at the Wayne.
24:49
For Clash of the Clans, the first
24:51
thing that he noticed was that there were no Gada
24:54
to police the event. This
24:56
was unnerving because Daniel was
24:59
used to having his every move shadowed
25:01
by police.
25:02
Not only that, it's unlikely the film
25:04
convinced anyone, but it showed that Daniel
25:07
Kinahan was starting to get nervous.
25:11
Back in Dublin, John O'Driscoll, the
25:13
man in charge of Island's response to the Kinahan's
25:16
wave of violence. He's been watching Daniels
25:18
rise in boxing with frustration.
25:21
The sport of boxing which
25:23
is very important, and I knew
25:25
it to be so, having policed in
25:27
inner city communities for many years, many
25:30
kids were diverted from
25:32
crime through an involvement
25:34
in the sport of boxing, and
25:36
here we saw the Kinahan organization
25:39
potentially destroying that sport.
25:42
They were corrupting the sport and
25:45
that was operating at a global level.
25:47
John's been trying to come up with a plan, a
25:50
plan to take the Kinahans down. But
25:52
even if they build a bulletproof case,
25:55
there's another problem. The Kinahans
25:57
are in Dubai, and Dubai has
26:00
no formal extradition agreement with Ireland.
26:03
John he realizes something.
26:06
That no one entity, no one
26:08
law enforcement entity, could ever
26:11
achieve any realistic success
26:13
on its own entackling one
26:15
of these criminal enterprises.
26:19
So John starts flying around the world, meeting
26:21
with other law enforcement agencies, sharing
26:23
information, discussing strategies.
26:26
He knows that back in twenty ten, police
26:28
across Europe tried to stop the kiinner Hans
26:30
with Operation Shovel, but the case had
26:32
fallen apart, and John
26:35
He's determined that will never happen again. He
26:37
needs a silver bullet. Then
26:41
one morning he's talking to a US official
26:43
when they mentioned something that John just hadn't
26:46
thought about before. Something
26:48
the US government has used to go after people
26:50
in countries like Russia, Iran, and
26:53
North Korea, countries in which
26:55
Western governments can't just go in and arrest
26:57
people places like Dubai. What
27:01
if the official asked John, they
27:03
put the Kiinner Hands under economic
27:05
sanctions the Irish
27:07
police, they may not be able to get close to the kin
27:09
Hands in Dubai if the US
27:11
Treasury put them under sanctions, that
27:14
would cut them off from their money, the motive
27:16
for being in crime in the first place.
27:19
From that day, it was part
27:21
of our objective that we would
27:24
acquire sufficient information
27:27
to provide to the US Department
27:29
of Treasury to encourage
27:31
it to take on the Kinnahans
27:34
as a target, for them to
27:36
be placed under a list of priorities.
27:39
It was just an idea, but it was a radical
27:41
one, a new tool to target
27:43
individuals connected to European organized
27:46
crime. John immediately gets to
27:48
work. He needs to bring in as many
27:50
international partners into the operation as
27:52
possible, but to convince the US
27:54
Treasury to take action, the joint operation
27:57
needs watertight evidence that the Kinnahans
27:59
have evolved into a global threat.
28:02
Throughout the process, I would have been privy
28:04
to the intelligence that we had
28:06
gathered ourselves in Ireland,
28:09
and then other jurisdictions
28:11
had gathered additional information, and
28:14
bit by bit dijigsaw was being put together
28:17
in terms of establishing
28:20
how significant in fact the Kenahans were
28:22
on the global stage.
28:24
Months and months passed, with countless
28:26
meetings between law enforcement agencies from
28:28
different countries sharing the intelligence they've
28:30
gathered on the Kinnahans, and
28:33
then the US side of the joint operation
28:35
they discovered something pretty big. At
28:37
the time, it was a closely guarded piece of
28:40
highly sensitive information. John
28:42
tells me it was something about how the Kinahans
28:45
and other members of the Dubai supercartel had
28:47
been laundering their money, about the money
28:49
brokers that we heard about earlier in the episode.
28:52
As time emerged and as
28:54
the eyes of US
28:57
law enforcement more generally were focused
28:59
on the Kenhen's, it
29:02
was realized that the money
29:04
laundering associated with that drugs empire
29:07
involved the Kenahan's utilize
29:10
organizations that may potentially
29:12
have links to international terrorism.
29:15
As we're talking, as John's telling me this,
29:18
I want to know what he means which
29:20
international terrorists? Is it a group,
29:23
is it a government? But when
29:25
you say terrorist related to activity, does that relate
29:27
to any particular countries. John
29:30
doesn't really answer this, so I ask him directly
29:33
the thing I'm thinking, the thing you might be
29:35
thinking too. Is he talking about
29:37
Iran.
29:38
Well, that would be a conclusion
29:42
that would be reached primarily
29:44
by the US authorities haven't been satisfied
29:47
having received initially
29:49
information from the Irish law enforcement,
29:52
UK law enforcement, and
29:55
they then pursuing
29:57
that line of inquiry, would
30:00
then have concluded
30:02
that, in fact, there is potential
30:05
that there is a financing
30:08
of activity that can could be associations
30:10
with the Iranian station.
30:14
John's saying it in a guarded way, but
30:16
here's what it sounds like to me. It's
30:18
the money, the money laundering,
30:21
that's the connection between the Kinahans,
30:23
the supercartel and Iran. An
30:27
Udi Levy, the former head of the Mossad's
30:29
Economic warfare unit, He says the same
30:32
thing. He tells me that Iran's
30:34
money laundering channels are regularly used
30:36
by criminal networks across the world as
30:38
well as other sanctioned governments.
30:40
The sanction caused the Iranian to
30:42
be very creative to
30:44
find I think today the number one
30:47
in the world out of circlements the sanction
30:49
how to build very
30:53
very smart way
30:56
to laundering money. They
30:59
are giving a suggestion to
31:01
the Irusian and other countries and the North
31:03
Korean out to circlements the sanction,
31:05
they became so expert they.
31:08
Know very well how to do it.
31:10
And as we know, it's not just sanctioned
31:12
regimes that need to find secret ways of moving
31:14
money around the world.
31:16
No, the direct trafficking
31:19
need the ideas and
31:22
their way out to
31:24
build infrastructure that nobody
31:27
identify. So and they run
31:29
and have today, I think
31:31
the best infrastructure in the world to
31:33
transfer money from one point to the other
31:36
and that nobody will have identified. So
31:39
not only that they are using the direct
31:41
trafficking, but they even making
31:44
the world, let's say more
31:46
bad by allowed
31:50
the cartels and the direct
31:52
trafficker to use their infrastructure
31:55
to transfer money.
31:57
I really haven't come across any evidence that
31:59
the members of the Supercartel are connected
32:02
to Iran for ideological reasons.
32:04
It's likely it was just business,
32:07
the money laundering. It was a service,
32:09
one that worked, but having access
32:12
to new and sophisticated ways to move
32:14
money, it made the rise of stateless
32:16
drug traffickers like the Supercartel possible.
32:20
And this connection could it be the thing
32:22
that explains how the supercartel got
32:25
involved in the assassination of Alimatamed
32:29
Udi says the Alimatomed assassination
32:31
it fits with a pattern he's seen of
32:33
Iran using organized criminals
32:35
to target their enemies abroad.
32:38
I think Iran is not alone. I think today
32:40
is a new trend by some
32:43
let's say intelligence forces, that
32:46
it's easier, sometimes
32:49
cheaper to use drag
32:51
dealers and criminals to
32:53
make assassination because
32:56
if they call, you
32:59
cannot blame Iran, you
33:01
can blame drug trafficking. It's something that related
33:03
to drug trafficking. They
33:05
are preferred to go to criminal
33:07
and to drug dealers, to
33:10
pay them money, to give them
33:12
guidance and to send
33:14
them to the mission.
33:16
But I still have a big question. Is
33:18
it possible to find out who in Iran
33:21
worked with the supercarteil to assassinate Alimtomed
33:24
to solve this murder?
33:26
Yes, but it will be a little bit difficult because
33:28
they're not stupid. In most of the cases,
33:31
they're putting a buffer between
33:33
themselves and the
33:37
last end. Let's say something like that.
33:40
Let's say the Iranian from Good Sports Agent
33:43
well will approach to someone that
33:46
it will approach to somebody else, and
33:48
then it will approach to the third party
33:51
and will give him the mission.
33:53
To find someone buried deep in a shadowy,
33:56
hidden world where espionage and organized
33:58
crime me it seems impossible,
34:01
And then I came across a case a top
34:03
Iranian spy arrested in Europe,
34:06
found with a red notebook full of
34:08
secrets, and perhaps inside
34:10
that notebook we can find the answer.
34:13
That's next time on our season finale
34:16
of Hot Money.
34:31
Hot Money is a production of The Financial
34:33
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34:35
was written and reported by me Miles Johnson,
34:38
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34:59
editor is Sarah Nix, and the executive
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producers are Jacob Goldstein and Cheryl
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Clark, Alistair Mackie and Breen Turner
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