0:00

Once we realize that

0:02

we're all connected, life becomes very

0:04

simple, right? Because it's like that golden

0:06

rule. You treat everyone how you want to be

0:08

treated. And if we all just did that,

0:11

like, it'd be soft. It's

0:13

kind of like the only rule you need. I know, but some

0:15

people

0:17

are animals in disguise as human

0:19

beings. Okay,

0:20

we have another

0:23

episode of

0:25

Hot Boxing. And

0:31

today we got Dr. Avi,

0:34

pain reliever, extraordinaire, and

0:36

homie, stromie, Arjun.

0:39

Nice to meet you guys. Pleasure. How you doing,

0:42

Doc? I'm doing great, man. What's up, Arjun?

0:44

Hey, Doc. I wanted you to explain to these

0:46

people what it's actually that you

0:48

do.

0:50

Sure. So basically,

0:52

I'm an anesthesiologist by training.

0:56

And very... Anesthesia. What's

0:58

that mean? Something to do with pain? Exactly.

1:00

Yeah. So doctors that

1:03

deal with pain typically in

1:05

the operating room, but, you know, we also

1:07

work in OB,

1:09

you know, obstetrics when women are delivering.

1:13

Tell me about that. Pain management, you

1:15

know. Women reduce. Yeah, so,

1:17

you know, when women are in labor, they

1:19

get what's called an epidural. That's one of the... I know that

1:21

make it easier. Yeah, exactly. Less painful. Exactly.

1:25

So,

1:25

you know, what I've kind

1:28

of figured out over the last five years, and I've

1:30

been working on really for the last three

1:33

years very seriously, is figuring

1:36

out a way to treat chronic

1:39

and acute pain in a new, kind

1:41

of in a new way. Right? And by

1:44

that, most injuries

1:46

that occur are injuries in the soft

1:48

tissue, you know, as well. Both

1:51

of you guys know as world, you know,

1:54

elite athletes. Well, I guess the dog's leaving.

1:57

Arjun, hang out with us. Chill

1:59

out, buddy. Argentina. Um,

2:05

so, essentially, what

2:07

I kind of figured out is a way

2:09

to trick the body into thinking it's

2:12

in the womb. And we do that by

2:15

taking proteins derived from the

2:17

placenta and the umbilical cord.

2:20

And I've come up with a recipe that

2:23

enables us to trick,

2:25

like, you know, when we treated your back, into

2:27

thinking... Tell everybody what was wrong with my back.

2:30

Yeah, sure. So, you know, Mike has a very famous

2:32

case of, um, what's called failed

2:34

back surgery syndrome. So you

2:36

had, famously, I think told the world that in

2:39

one of your last fights, you know, you were basically

2:41

fighting with a broken back, right? People

2:43

thought it was really plain, but I did. Yeah.

2:47

Wow. Yeah, so that kind

2:49

of chronic wear and tear resulted

2:51

in some nerves being damaged, right?

2:54

And you had an operation, and

2:56

the operation, you know,

2:58

I'm not sure if it helped you at

3:00

the beginning. No, it never helped.

3:02

I have a cage in my back. And I guess,

3:05

um,

3:06

I guess for a while it did, because I fought with

3:08

it. For a while I was looking, but the wear and tear

3:11

used to wear it down. Right. So,

3:13

you know, before I met you, I had seen,

3:16

I think in November of last year, there was

3:18

like a photograph of you going through Miami airport,

3:21

you know, with a wheelchair. And, uh,

3:24

you know, serendipity brought us together. And,

3:27

uh, I'm just very humbled and

3:29

happy that, uh, the procedure, you know,

3:31

has worked so well for you and you're not

3:33

in pain anymore. Hey, listen, um, it's

3:35

a miracle because I didn't know what was going to happen in my

3:37

life. I was scared that I was going to be in a wheelchair for

3:39

the rest of my life. Yeah. If

3:42

things go to your mind when you help me and back her, especially when you're

3:44

back her, you get so, um, I

3:46

don't want to say depressed, discouraged.

3:50

When your back hurts, you get, there's nothing I can do. I'm

3:52

useless. That's how I feel. I feel

3:54

useless. But can't be taken. My family

3:56

can't do shit.

3:57

So that's how you guys met? You

4:00

guys meet exactly like how did it go about? So

4:02

we actually met through a mutual friend

4:06

of mine and Kiki, her

4:09

name's Sylvia. And she actually,

4:12

I met Mike as secondarily,

4:15

I actually met his

4:17

daughter. I met the whole family at the same time,

4:19

but Milan is actualizing

4:23

her goal of becoming one

4:25

of the greatest tennis players ever. She's 14

4:28

still, right? So

4:29

playing very, very intensely, practicing

4:32

kind of like her dad. Very intense.

4:34

And the wear and tear that

4:36

occurs even at a young age can

4:40

unfortunately hold people back from their dreams.

4:42

Like I was an athlete, wanted

4:44

to be, in my own mind I grew up in

4:46

Louisiana, but one of the

4:48

first professional soccer players of

4:51

Indian descent, obviously that didn't work out. But

4:54

you know, destiny is- Are you telling me there's not

4:57

too many Indian

4:58

soccer players? I mean, I

5:00

don't know of really any, you know? I

5:02

think when you think of people from India, probably

5:05

the first thing that comes to mind is a doctor.

5:08

Or lawyer, yeah,

5:10

maybe a cricket player. But yeah, so,

5:13

you know,

5:15

that wasn't my destiny, but my destiny ended

5:17

up being, you know, helping other

5:19

people achieve their dreams and kind

5:21

of get out of pain. And that's how I met Milan.

5:25

And, you know, we worked on some

5:27

areas that were bothering her and then, you know,

5:29

Mike wanted to give it a try and we worked

5:32

on what, your back, your hips and

5:35

Achilles also? Yeah, I

5:37

would have never had an attempt to

5:39

do this, but my daughter didn't get so many good results.

5:42

Wow, that's amazing. Yeah.

5:45

So what it is I want

5:47

to say then, on

5:50

the camera, so to speak, there's

5:54

some, you

5:56

could see the white scar tissue. And

6:00

then as he goes in there, advantage, you don't see

6:02

the white anymore. But the white indicates

6:06

bad information.

6:09

Is that true? Yeah, so we

6:11

use ultrasound, right? And

6:14

sound is an energy of the universe,

6:16

right? So dolphins

6:18

and other animals use sound to actually see

6:21

through the water

6:22

and then see through

6:24

their surroundings. So similarly,

6:27

we're using ultrasound in a way that,

6:30

you know, you've had many parts of your body

6:32

ultrasound when you were playing, right? Sure, yeah. We

6:34

ultrasound an area that a

6:36

patient is suffering with. And then the first

6:39

step is to see, can we reconcile

6:41

or match up that suffering with

6:44

what the patient is kind of presenting with, right?

6:47

So if, you know, in Mike's case, you

6:49

know, I've got this back pain that's preventing

6:51

me from, you know, working out consistently

6:54

or training how I want, right? Or living how

6:56

I want, right? So the first step

6:58

was kind of getting him on the table,

7:00

scanning him, and while we're scanning

7:02

him, showing him, right, okay, hey, is

7:05

this the area that hurts, right? Because pain,

7:07

you know, is actually, it's something

7:09

that all of us

7:11

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7:13

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7:15

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7:18

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7:20

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So for me as

8:50

a clinician trying to help people with these

8:53

problems the first thing I needed to realize was

8:55

I

8:57

need to understand what

8:59

my body is telling me. What

9:05

is actually happening when my

9:07

right hip feels really tight? What is

9:09

the difference between nerve

9:11

pain

9:12

and pain coming from the

9:14

fascia? That kind of deep

9:17

achy pain that you were having all

9:19

the time and then you told me when you

9:22

would work out or start to train intensely you would get that

9:24

sharp pain where your back like locks up and then

9:26

you can't walk. What

9:30

is really coming from there? Arjun making his

9:32

cameo. So

9:36

really what you start to understand is that since

9:39

all of our bodies are the same it's

9:41

my role as a doctor to be a listener

9:44

and to see okay so when somebody

9:46

is telling me they are hurting we start to

9:48

ask further questions. What

9:50

does the pain feel like? In Mike's case like

9:53

what I just said he had a bit of both. I'm

9:55

sure sometime in your career you had the same

9:58

kind of thing happen to you. And

10:00

then effectively what we

10:02

set out to do is we set out to

10:04

trick the body into thinking it's

10:06

in the womb. So I create what's

10:09

called a fetal micro environment, right?

10:11

So let's say we're working in his back. You

10:14

know, we cook up this, not cook up, but

10:17

we have this recipe which

10:19

consists of proteins arrive from

10:21

the placenta, the umbilical cord. And

10:23

then I was injecting them all

10:25

in his back and not just in a joint,

10:28

but actually in the soft tissue,

10:31

trying to remodel that tissue

10:33

and then provide that,

10:34

provide his body with the materials

10:36

it needed to heal himself. Right?

10:39

And that's what we've seen. And kind

10:41

of,

10:42

you know, my goal as a human

10:44

is I want to reduce the suffering in this world.

10:47

Right? I mean, I think we're

10:49

all here for a reason, right? Like,

10:51

and if we're serving a higher purpose to

10:54

me, my purpose, and

10:56

I wasn't as lucky as you two in the sense of, you

10:58

know, you knew what

11:00

you're,

11:01

you knew why you were here, I think from a very young age,

11:03

right? It took me, you know,

11:05

maybe 35 years and a couple of companies,

11:08

you know, going through medicine, but nothing ever

11:10

felt really right. But

11:12

then when I kind of stumbled upon this, it just, everything

11:15

clicked and I, you know, I realized, okay, this is

11:17

what I'm here to do.

11:18

Wow. That's amazing. I

11:20

mean, I think it's so cool

11:23

for you to go through that journey

11:25

and find that. Was it hard,

11:28

was it hard going through all that, like figuring that

11:30

all out? Like, what were some of the challenges you faced for

11:32

you to get to where you were? I mean, it was, you

11:36

know, necessity is born out of invention,

11:38

right? And it was, you know,

11:41

I'd kind of gone through the

11:42

highest of highs and then lowest of lows.

11:45

I was in the middle of selling my, selling

11:47

a business and that company,

11:50

you

11:50

know, whenever you sell a business, it takes six, seven,

11:53

eight months for a deal to close. I know we thought

11:55

we were going to have this great financial windfall

11:58

ultimately. nothing happened.

12:01

Fortunately, I ended up telling it a couple years later, but

12:04

through that up and down process, I kind

12:06

of split up from my

12:08

business partners at the time and really was kind

12:10

of left with this existential question of

12:12

like, what the fuck am I gonna

12:14

do now? I

12:16

had been running away from being

12:19

a doctor because I never felt like

12:21

it was,

12:22

I never felt like it was a right fit for me

12:24

because I'm naturally, I think, a very creative

12:27

person, someone who likes to ask a lot of questions

12:30

and that isn't really

12:32

looked upon favorably in the traditional rigorous

12:35

academic setting. So

12:37

yeah, I

12:38

had this kind of download that came

12:41

to me that

12:43

look,

12:44

areas of my body, my shoulder, let's

12:46

say specifically where I used to always have

12:48

this obsessive need to kind

12:51

of adjust yourself, crack your neck, crack

12:53

your shoulder, et cetera, I

12:56

started to think

12:57

there has to be something wrong with me. Because

13:00

if

13:00

I only have 100 points of energy,

13:03

I can't be diverting 20 or 30 points

13:05

of my total energy to this musculoskeletal

13:09

issue. So I started

13:11

scanning myself and I kind of had this theory,

13:13

this download, like, hey, I think the problem is

13:16

in this fascia, in this connective tissue.

13:19

And everybody thought I was fucking

13:22

crazy. I mean, literally,

13:24

my parents were like, what are you doing? I

13:26

had left a really pretty high

13:29

paying,

13:29

comfortable job working

13:32

with a plastic surgeon a couple days a week to now

13:34

not really making any money, just putting

13:37

it out there, working on, I

13:39

was my first patient. So

13:41

I used to do these experiments on myself like

13:44

late at night, you know? I'd have to psych

13:46

myself up like, all right, I'm gonna stab myself

13:48

in the knee now or whatever. And

13:52

after about three or four times, I quickly realized

13:54

I gotta figure out a new recipe, I need to put some anesthesia

13:56

in here, because it's not gonna be out. If I can't tolerate

13:59

this, no.

13:59

No one's gonna tolerate this, right? We gotta make

14:02

this shit comfortable for people. Like, Don't know how he was in his

14:04

room, just like, ahhh. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm

14:06

sorry, I'm bigger, man. Yeah,

14:08

exactly, like some mad scientist.

14:11

Like, sum up the courage. Yeah.

14:14

All right, let's go. But

14:16

look, a lot of trial and error has

14:19

led me to this point. And

14:22

one of the reasons why I think all of us find

14:24

Mike so inspirational is that

14:27

when you see people who have

14:29

gotten, you know, life is like sinusoidal,

14:32

right? There's ups and downs to everything, right? Whether

14:34

it's a journey of creating, you know,

14:36

new technology or trying to

14:38

become, you know, an NFL,

14:41

you know, player, right? Or in your case,

14:43

obviously, you know, the youngest world champion. When

14:46

you see people have

14:48

incredible highs, incredible lows,

14:51

but then find a way to ride

14:54

out that low and then reinvent themselves and

14:57

come out on top again. You

14:59

know, those are the kinds of stories that give entrepreneur

15:02

strength, you know, because during that journey as an

15:04

entrepreneur, you know, like

15:07

I think Elon Musk said this one time, a lot of

15:09

it's like you're chewing glass and just staring into

15:11

the abyss, you know, like you think,

15:13

or like in my case, where like I thought, I knew,

15:16

I felt, I

15:17

figured something out, but you know, I wasn't sure, right?

15:19

So I had to keep like pushing past

15:21

all the doubt, right? And uncertainty

15:24

and sometimes even setbacks when, you

15:27

know,

15:27

people didn't get better immediately, you know, it's

15:29

like, I wish I could say that everybody has

15:31

had a result, you know, so beautiful

15:34

as yours, where it's like one time in and out

15:36

and,

15:37

you know, they've profoundly gotten better,

15:39

but you know, that's not the case, but

15:42

most people now are, are getting a lot

15:45

better and,

15:46

and in fewer amounts of

15:49

cycles. So I'm really happy about that.

15:51

So speaking of creativity, you're

15:53

into music, you're a musician. Oh, shit,

15:55

man. Can you talk about that a little bit?

15:57

I am, I am, I am a musician. I'm actually my buddy

15:59

Jet.

15:59

The backpack is here. We make some music together.

16:02

It's also designed some clothes that we're going to give to

16:04

you guys. So yeah, music for me has

16:06

been a way of

16:08

recharging my own spirit, my

16:10

own energy. What kind of music you're playing? So

16:13

I play a bunch of different instruments, but I produce

16:16

hip-hop, jazz. Rap? I

16:19

don't rap, no. He

16:21

does. My blade's over here for

16:23

me. We always let

16:25

people rap here. Every time a rapper comes in, we let

16:27

them rap. Jet?

16:29

Come on spit, man. Come on man, spit. Yeah,

16:34

well, I'll send you guys some of my stuff. But

16:36

hey, you know, I started, got reconnected

16:39

to music kind of during the pandemic when

16:42

my practice was doing really well. And

16:44

then just like all of us, you know, our lives got

16:46

interrupted quite suddenly. You

16:49

look like a jazz man. Yeah, exactly.

16:51

You look like a jazz man. That's right. Yeah.

16:54

Keys, saxophone. Nice. Bass,

16:56

guitar. Yeah. Sure. But

16:59

yeah, it's, look, music is, it's all about a feeling.

17:02

You know what I mean? At the end of the day. And

17:05

I think that's one of the most obvious attributes

17:08

to it, which is why it brings people together. You

17:11

know, I remember watching a video

17:13

of like the riots that were happening. I

17:16

think it was in New York. You know, all these people

17:18

were super angry and then they heard like an

17:21

old school Biggie song come up and everybody stopped

17:23

screaming and they're just like dancing. And

17:26

it was like this immediate vibe change here. Right. And

17:29

that was. It tames the savage beast. Remember

17:31

when they said music

17:32

saved, saved, saved. When it tames the savage

17:34

beast. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So

17:37

yeah, man, you know, music for me is, I

17:39

got a couple of interesting projects coming out. Hopefully

17:43

we'll, we'll iron things out. Who

17:45

would you like in your mind your dream collaboration

17:47

be? Oh, I

17:51

have to say Quincy Jones. Wow. Yeah,

17:54

he's Quincy

17:57

and Herbie Hancock are two, two living. Wow,

18:00

really? Yeah. One day, I don't know what

18:02

day it was. I was a young kid in

18:05

my 20s, and I went to

18:07

my friend's hotel room, big suite, and

18:09

he had Stevie Wonder and Henry

18:12

Hancroft. But playing, no

18:14

singing, playing the piano. Somebody

18:17

else was blowing the Monica, and it was, it's

18:19

in the house like this. It's amazing. And

18:22

crazy. I've seen them together. Yeah.

18:25

Yeah, together with a mind-blower. That

18:27

is. And then, it's playing. It's

18:30

just, they start playing together. Like,

18:32

you must know Quincy, right? Huh? You

18:35

must know Quincy, right? Yes, yes, yes. I remember

18:37

him in quite a few occasions. And then, what was your feeling when you met him? Really?

18:43

Cool as a motherfucker. Cool

18:46

as, it's taking

18:48

cool to the next level. Yeah, right. Yeah,

18:51

cool. That's where he, that's the word, cool.

18:54

Cool, very cool. Yeah, like,

18:56

I'm 41, born in 1982, so coming up for me, there's the three mics,

18:58

right? You

19:05

know, for my childhood, it was

19:07

Mike Tyson. Jordan. Jordan

19:10

and Michael Jackson, right? That was like the triumvirate,

19:13

the trifecta that everybody knows around

19:15

the world, you know? That's right.

19:18

Playing Punch-Out

19:18

to now be an ex-sue is pretty surreal. Yeah,

19:22

it's like, it never happened. Time

19:25

just wipes it away from you.

19:27

Yes. Does it feel like yesterday, Mike?

19:30

Yeah. Like, you remember everything

19:32

so vividly, like it just happened? Yeah, I remember

19:34

everything. You know, I told people now I remember,

19:36

but really, actually, I remember everything.

19:40

I got some questions for you, Mike, if you don't mind me asking. Hey, I'm

19:42

doing an interview here. All

19:44

right, all right, all right. All right. So,

19:47

let me, like, so, what was your

19:49

relationship to pain, right? Because, I mean, you

19:52

know. I had pain all my

19:54

life, and I was 40, and I had nerve damage.

19:58

We didn't know we had to do electric shock.

19:59

Put electric shock on the

20:02

nerves. I

20:04

broke my hand a couple of times. I buzzed

20:07

my head open, trying to shoot somebody. And

20:10

I moved, boom, hit a pipe. It cut my

20:12

face wide open.

20:17

I was just a mess. I can't

20:20

believe I became a fighter. I had so many bad accidents.

20:23

This is just what I wanted to do.

20:26

So how did you deal with that? Being

20:28

uncomfortable, do you... Because

20:31

I fight with it.

20:33

As you do, you want something so bad. This year

20:35

is temporary. I'm going to

20:38

get the big war. Did I take care of

20:40

this?

20:41

That's what it's all about. It's about committing.

20:45

Dedicating the sacrifice. And

20:47

what about you? Yeah, I think it's exactly what Mike's

20:49

saying. You kind of just get comfortable being uncomfortable. It

20:52

just becomes a new norm. I remember Mike

20:54

saying he broke his hand. I remember I broke my hand

20:58

my last year in college. I had a broken hand. I had

21:00

to play with a club because I had to get drafted. Because

21:02

in my mind, I was like, I got to get drafted. I got to

21:04

play. I got to get drafted. I had to go on the field.

21:07

Obviously, I have my degree to fall on, but

21:09

what's going to make me more money than playing in the NFL?

21:12

That's going to help me help my family and

21:14

do what I got to do. So it just kind of becomes the new

21:16

norm. And even

21:17

now, knock on wood, I

21:20

haven't had any crazy injuries. Last year or

21:22

two years ago, Super Bowl year, I tore

21:24

my pec.

21:26

Game seven. And that was

21:28

another thing that kind of set me back. But you

21:31

just kind of just deal with it. So I played last

21:33

year healing from it, but it definitely wasn't

21:35

the same. You just learn how to just

21:39

become competitive. I think there's so

21:41

many people that are suffering with

21:43

pain in the world. I mean, they

21:45

say there's this very famous Japanese philosopher,

21:48

Murakami, who said

21:50

pain is inevitable, but suffering is

21:52

optional. And I think pain is something that

21:55

is part of

21:57

the human existence. You know, like we all

21:59

feel. it at some point in time. And

22:02

I think to those people

22:04

that are watching, looking

22:06

for any kind of nugget of inspiration

22:09

or insight as to how folks

22:11

like yourself navigated through

22:13

chronically being uncomfortable.

22:16

I know for myself, I

22:18

noticed that

22:20

at the point where my body was

22:22

least comfortable, I was drinking the

22:24

most. And

22:26

I've been starting to think about, okay,

22:29

when, and this was a long time ago, but you

22:32

start to ask yourself, why

22:35

are certain patterns happening over

22:37

and over again? And

22:39

is that because I'm physically uncomfortable,

22:42

or mentally uncomfortable,

22:44

or spiritually uncomfortable, emotionally? How

22:47

do we reconcile that what's

22:49

going on inside?

22:51

Because

22:54

what's going on inside of us is ultimately

22:57

what we're projecting to the outer world.

23:02

What was going on when

23:04

Mike was 18, 19, 20, right?

23:08

Seemingly,

23:10

you had volatile behavior,

23:12

but could that have been from

23:14

your body being real uncomfortable, from just training

23:17

and fighting? No, no, no. It

23:19

was me being very uncomfortable. I

23:22

wasn't comfortable with all the people coming around

23:24

me. I come from a place where the only

23:26

reason someone has to be a friend is because they want something.

23:29

So it was really, really weird. Being

23:32

a younger athlete, you spend a lot of time alone

23:35

thinking,

23:37

who's your friend who loves you and all that crap? But

23:41

as far as pain is concerned, like

23:44

I was looking at, what was that thing you had

23:46

mental? Yeah, wealth

23:48

is mental. Yeah, and that's why I think pain is mental.

23:52

Pain is mental too. You see people fighting

23:54

with broken arms, broken shoulders, playing.

23:57

Listen, long as fish burn,

23:59

I'm not in large.

23:59

I'm just giving you, Lawrence Taylor, disconnected

24:03

all the ribs and everything, it wrapped

24:05

his ass up and he went and crushed everybody.

24:08

Tack, break, oh, he's wrapped

24:10

up in tape. He's wrapped up in tape and he's slaughtering

24:13

these guys.

24:14

Wow, or like Tiger, right? Yeah, he's

24:16

the pain he's slaughtered, those guys. Yeah,

24:21

but I think there's still part of it, you

24:23

know, so much of it is mental, but like

24:25

in your case, didn't matter how strong

24:28

mentally you are and you're obviously, you know, as

24:31

strong as it gets, like your body and

24:33

mind had just

24:34

weren't playing ball with each other, you know? Like, I

24:36

mean, I remember when you were in the clinic, you were telling me,

24:39

you're like, you know, Dr. Abhi, I

24:41

can't train more than one or two

24:43

days in a row because then I'm just laid

24:45

up, you know, recovering.

24:47

So like, I think there is, and

24:50

this was one of the reasons why, you know, I'm really grateful

24:52

for you guys having me on, which like the

24:54

message, you know, I'm trying to raise awareness is,

24:58

mental toughness is, you know, there's

25:00

no substitute for that and you should have mental fortitude

25:03

no matter what you're doing, but you

25:05

also have to listen to your body, right? And as

25:07

athletes, you know, we all are

25:10

taught to,

25:11

you know, override that pain, right? Like

25:13

maybe don't even tell anybody about it. I know like any

25:15

NFL, right? Like, because most guys aren't

25:17

on like guaranteed contracts. I mean, if you

25:20

say something, you get cut, right? Especially

25:22

if you're not like, especially if you're not like a bit high earner,

25:26

you have to be very careful. You have to be very careful

25:28

when you present stuff, how you present stuff.

25:32

And the goal is, there's the saying,

25:35

there's this saying thing, you can't

25:38

get in the club in the tub.

25:41

So, you know,

25:43

like you're not gonna be able to be on the team if

25:45

you're always hurt. If you're always in the cold tub, if you're always

25:47

in the tub, like you're always hurt. So it's like,

25:49

that's really the mindset, you know?

25:52

That's why at least I spent so much money on my body, because

25:55

it's the truth. Right, I spent a lot of money

25:57

on mine. Yeah, like if you're not.

25:59

You're not gonna get me in the club if you're in the tub. You're not

26:02

gonna get paid. You're not gonna be able to play. Right. I

26:04

think that is definitely

26:06

something that the NBA is definitely ahead of

26:10

for the guaranteed contracts. But it's just

26:12

different because there's so many guys in football, right? Yeah,

26:14

and the injury, like, I mean, Man, you

26:16

fighting for like 50 million, right? You

26:18

can chop their hands off. Yeah. They

26:21

gonna have to fight and chop their hands off. Well, reattached

26:23

afterwards. I lose the foot real quick, man.

26:28

That's facts. So.

26:31

What did, do you have any

26:33

thoughts of like, you know, for guys who

26:35

are retired? Cause I see so many guys who

26:37

are retired who's basically their bodies have been destroyed.

26:40

You know, like, you know, they're sacrificed here. They're brain

26:42

too. Yeah. And that's one thing. That's one thing I

26:45

always give the NFL now cause they're so

26:47

ahead of it now, like with head trauma and

26:50

making sure we're not leading with their head and stuff like that.

26:53

But guys that played in the past, like in the past, past,

26:55

like definitely like you see like

26:57

how their bodies are so beat up and

27:01

you're not even just their bodies with their mind too.

27:04

And how, how far the game

27:06

has come and obviously technology and

27:08

like stuff that you're doing, you know? Like

27:10

that's such a huge help for athletes

27:13

like myself and even Mike, you know, like as

27:15

boxers, you know, because we didn't, they

27:17

didn't have that back then. Boxers had the most pains. Boxers,

27:20

well, and that one football, football gets, as

27:23

a joke, football gets, you know, this

27:25

is different, in boxing, you'd be so

27:27

good

27:28

that you might not get hurt. Yeah. Football,

27:31

you be the strongest motherfucker in the world. You going to the

27:33

hospital. Like you're getting like a car accident

27:35

basically for your job, right? Isn't that true?

27:37

Sure, no. Okay, how big is going to you all? It don't matter how

27:40

big or strong you are, like. You go to the hospital. You're

27:42

always going to end up, like it's always going to be something, you're always going

27:44

to end up aching somewhere, you're always going to be some sort of pain.

27:47

And it's interesting, like

27:49

now, this is, I'm going to my sixth season

27:52

and my second year with the Chargers now. And

27:56

the goal for me is always going

27:58

to the off season with no pain.

27:59

Like always making sure like my body, like,

28:02

you know, like that's the goal of my life. If I have any bit of pain,

28:04

kind of like what you're saying, like, why am I messing?

28:07

Because I learned after, because after

28:09

that Super Bowl year that we had

28:11

and I got hurt, I tore my pec, I was like, no,

28:13

like I'm now like going to just completely

28:17

make sure there's nothing that's hurting

28:20

and always just checking up on little things.

28:22

Even if it's like a little thing, like a little soreness here,

28:24

a little soreness there, because it does mean, it really does

28:26

mean something. It's all connected. Exactly.

28:29

And people don't,

28:29

people don't realize that athletes don't realize that,

28:32

you know? So I think it's amazing

28:34

work what you're doing. I think so. A hundred

28:36

percent. Because like fighters and football players, so we can

28:39

die in training. Right.

28:41

You know, we can die in training. Right. Yeah.

28:45

I mean, did you ever have like in any, any of, you

28:47

know, your training session, I mean, people must have just

28:49

gotten completely like lit up and seriously

28:52

injured, huh?

28:53

Yeah. Listen, one guy,

28:55

I was boxing

28:57

and he just, I just located the

28:59

jaw and he just dropped. The

29:02

jaw is popped. Whoa. I

29:04

just go like this. Sometimes

29:07

a guy getting knocked out cold has to

29:09

go to the hospital for a couple of days. It's just scary.

29:12

Never know.

29:13

Never know. What about some of those liver shots? That's

29:16

bad too. But

29:19

liver is bad, but you can, you can rest

29:21

your liver. It's just

29:23

so hard to get those headshots. You

29:26

know, you don't forget the best thing you get. Unfortunately,

29:29

unfortunately, I never got into

29:32

predicament where I had my brain damaged.

29:34

Because if you look at some box with brain, I've

29:37

seen that brain. I've seen all these brains. I

29:39

have such an awesome brain. It's

29:44

called being punch drunk, right? Or something like that

29:46

too. But there's another word they call it. Same

29:48

thing football is punch drunk. Yeah.

29:51

It's basically like your head is just, yeah, exactly. Just

29:54

got the money.

29:59

months or six, seven, three something

30:02

months. Do, do, do, who

30:04

big you are. You think that guy's big, you're gonna kill everybody.

30:07

How many guys on the field? Your team. 11 on

30:10

defense, 11 on off. So imagine,

30:12

imagine

30:13

four packing

30:15

up on you. No, I can't. Some guys'

30:17

backs get really bad, huh? Yeah, so yeah,

30:19

for sure, because even the training, Mike, is kind

30:22

of what you're saying. With your sport, right, you're

30:24

always, it's all about your core, twisting,

30:26

turning, right? Football's the same way.

30:29

My position, where I play

30:31

defensive line, so everything I do is about

30:35

getting past the guy. So I'm always positioning,

30:37

using your hands, twisting, turning, and

30:40

all

30:41

your workouts, you do, you're squatting, you're

30:43

doing explosive movements, cleaning,

30:46

benching, so it's all, everything you're

30:48

doing is all core. You gotta have

30:50

the strong core, you have to have your back involved,

30:53

you have to have your, you know what I mean? You gotta have your knees

30:55

involved. So, you're

30:57

always working, you're

30:59

always putting stress on those major,

31:02

major bones, major ligaments, you

31:04

know, so. I ain't done like that pack

31:07

up shit. It just, yeah, it just builds. Like

31:09

you said, the inflammation just builds, man. Yeah, man, yeah.

31:12

All the time. Inflammation

31:14

is, it's our body's response to

31:17

a change from what's

31:19

called homeostasis, which means when your body's

31:21

in balance. Like our body is basically

31:23

like, it's like the

31:25

New York Philharmonic, right? There's all

31:27

these different instruments that are playing all

31:30

ideally in harmony, right? And

31:33

when something gets out of alignment or

31:36

you get injured, right, that's like the equivalent

31:38

of maybe the lead violin just goes

31:40

off the rails and like plays a wrong note too

31:42

sharp, you know, or too loud, and then you

31:45

kinda get this real uncomfortable

31:47

sensation, like, wow, what the fuck is that? The song doesn't

31:49

sound the way it's supposed to, right? And

31:52

that's what inflammation is. And then there's good

31:54

inflammation and bad inflammation, right?

31:56

So when we're healing or like the work

31:59

that I'm doing.

31:59

I'm not

32:01

cutting anything out of anybody and I'm not

32:03

putting anything in that's not supposed to be there.

32:05

What I'm really trying to do is provide

32:08

the body with the right materials

32:10

and instructions and put it in the

32:13

best position to succeed. Just like a

32:15

pro athlete, right? Like if the coach's responsibility

32:20

is to get the right game plan and

32:22

put, you know, get the right strategy in place,

32:25

even like, you know, I'm sure custed with you, right?

32:27

Like in those early, give you the right

32:29

strategy when you're training, so you

32:31

have the right mentality

32:33

and you know what you're doing in the ring, right? Just like

32:35

in the human body,

32:37

like you were saying earlier, you know, when we see all

32:39

of this white stiff scar tissue

32:41

on the ultrasound, the whiter it is,

32:44

inherently that means the less water that's present,

32:46

right? What do we know about water? Water

32:49

is biology is life, you know? So

32:52

nothing is gonna be happening if you have

32:54

just dry stiff tissue, you know?

32:57

And I think like Tom Brady has

33:00

probably brought this to the forefront

33:02

of mainstream media with

33:05

his talk of like tissue pliability,

33:07

right? So a lot of his training,

33:09

right, Tom's training, it has been all focused on

33:12

keeping the body flexible and really,

33:14

really hydrated with water,

33:16

right? So like, for example,

33:19

like in the knees, you know, when you're

33:21

younger, I mean, you can get hit on either side and

33:23

you know, your LCL

33:26

and MCL are okay, right? You do that

33:28

at 40 and you're probably ripping everything in

33:30

your knee. Like that's the difference between

33:32

a 40 year old and a 20 year old, you

33:34

know? Like you're probably actually stronger at 40 but

33:36

there's just less water in your tissue, so

33:39

you're stiffer.

33:41

I know this,

33:43

pain is the most uncomfortable entity

33:46

in the world. Yeah. Imagine

33:49

being born in 1920 and

33:52

you got a monistist. No,

33:54

I can't.

33:56

No, they have a hundred guys around.

33:58

You have some, I don't know.

33:59

or they had painkillers back then, or

34:02

you had a drink? Well, so actually, you

34:04

know, there's history.

34:06

I know, the weapon, they had a drink. They definitely drank. They

34:08

definitely drank, I think. Yeah, drank. In

34:11

Egypt and Rome, they were using

34:13

the poppy, which is opium, which

34:15

is the, that's where all of the opioid

34:17

medicines are derived from. And they also used

34:20

something called Willow's bark. So, you know,

34:22

I mean, I think since the dawn of time,

34:24

man has been trying to figure out how

34:27

to treat pain or how to make ourselves

34:29

feel better, right? And that's kind of

34:31

like what my mission is right now, is like, how

34:33

do I get the world to

34:36

be feeling better? Because the less pain

34:38

that we're in, like the more productive we are,

34:41

the happier society is. You know, like, I

34:43

think, you know, you

34:45

could probably backtrack into a lot

34:48

of domestic,

34:49

you know, violence happens when somebody

34:52

is inebriated. And a lot of times people

34:54

are getting, you know, fucked up because they don't feel

34:56

right. Yeah. I mean, like very few people

34:58

I think are like, okay, let me,

35:00

you know, drink a fifth and like they'll

35:02

beat my wife or kids, right? They're not setting out to do

35:05

that. You know what I'm saying? But it's

35:07

a derivative of what they're feeling

35:09

inside and that frustration, whether it's because they can't

35:11

perform at work or, you know,

35:13

God forbid they got laid off or what have you. So,

35:16

you know, the more we can raise awareness and

35:19

we can

35:19

let people know that, you know,

35:22

like in your case, right? 50% of people

35:24

who get back surgery, whatever, 40, 50%, like

35:26

it doesn't work out for them.

35:28

Then what do you do? You know, like, are

35:30

you gonna just be living like that the rest of your life?

35:33

I mean, you know, I think one of the reasons,

35:35

you know, I'm so happy that as

35:37

we got together is that I've been able

35:40

to kind of help you out of that situation. And now you

35:42

can

35:42

go back to- You helped me out quite a bit. Yeah.

35:46

But you know what I mean? Like you love training. Like that's

35:48

part of your routine, right? And it has been

35:50

since probably you were really, really young. I'm sure both

35:52

of you, right? So not having

35:54

that, then, you know, if you can't get

35:56

that energy out of the side, yeah, exactly. It

35:59

messes with your mind. Yeah, and I

36:01

think, you know, the mind

36:04

and body are so interconnected and

36:06

you know, all of these studies show and

36:09

validate what we intuitively

36:12

know, which is, you know, if I'm

36:15

depressed or if I'm anxious, my

36:17

body's probably not going to feel good. Now there's some

36:19

people that starting in the mind, there's other people

36:22

that disturbance of starting in the body,

36:24

but it's like we definitely

36:27

know that these two things are interrelated and

36:30

something like yoga, right? Like I'm from

36:33

Kashmir,

36:34

North India, you know, and yoga

36:37

was created in India and what does the word

36:39

yoga mean?

36:40

It means union, you know, and

36:42

what is it joining? You know,

36:45

in my opinion, it's joining the mind and the body

36:47

and it's really like the best exercise

36:50

or one of the best for the fascia, for the connective

36:52

tissue.

36:53

And you know, to your point, everything

36:55

is connected, you know, so, you

36:58

know, your neck may be tight and now,

37:00

you know, your left, like your left

37:02

neck may be tight, but

37:04

that's the root cause of your right hip,

37:06

you know, out of line, your right hips out

37:08

of alignment. Now you're going to have any problems.

37:10

You know what I'm saying? Like, so it's like,

37:13

you know, that, that old school thing, the

37:15

hip bones connected to the, you know, like, yeah.

37:18

You know what I'm saying? It's all connected

37:20

to the elbow. Exactly. Exactly.

37:23

So it's really, you know, looking

37:25

at things in the fresh with a fresh new perspective,

37:28

one that

37:29

takes into account this singularity

37:31

that exists, you know, like all of our pain

37:33

is the same. And as

37:36

someone who's, who's treating folks, you

37:38

know, really just listening to people and,

37:40

and, and trying to help them navigate through their

37:42

situation. That's the worst

37:44

experience you have with a back pain.

37:47

Yeah. You know, I mean, I think everybody,

37:50

I don't want to say anybody is worse than anybody

37:52

else because everybody's pain is, is their own

37:54

suffering. You know? Yeah.

37:57

I mean, I've, I think somebody's fine.

38:00

I was like, cracked. Our

38:02

mutual friend Tony Robbins, when

38:04

I met him, Tony's just been

38:06

putting so much stress on his body

38:09

for so many years that when I

38:11

met him and crossed paths with him,

38:13

his body was really in

38:15

a tough situation. So

38:19

I've been very fortunate to work

38:21

with him over the last several years and really kind of get him

38:23

pain free. I know he's very grateful. Yeah.

38:26

Well, look, I'm grateful

38:28

that people are kind of

38:29

trusting me to

38:32

help them through these very serious situations. And

38:34

I just feel humbled that

38:36

it's working, right? Because I

38:38

had a lot of back injuries and stuff.

38:41

And I was hesitant until my daughter took her.

38:43

Yeah. Yeah. And how's your daughter doing? Great.

38:45

Yeah. Great.

38:47

So do you work with any active

38:49

NFL players or athletes now? I

38:51

work with a lot. I don't want to say any of their names.

38:54

But yeah, because interestingly

38:57

in sports, what I've learned

39:00

is that the team

39:03

doctor and the team's interests aren't

39:05

always aligned with the player's interests.

39:07

And this is something that I don't think we,

39:11

those of us who are not pro athletes, we

39:13

can't appreciate, right? Like we're not in that

39:15

club, right? But you start to understand,

39:18

like, you know, I've had several guys

39:20

come pass through.

39:22

And one, they're like, you know, we don't necessarily want

39:25

the team to know because I'm trying to, you

39:27

know, sign a new contract. And it's almost

39:29

like they see you guys in some ways almost

39:32

like a car, right? Has a car been into an accident

39:34

before? If it has, doesn't

39:36

matter if the car is running perfectly fine. Like,

39:39

something maybe could be wrong, you know? And then like,

39:41

maybe we don't want to give this guy that much money.

39:43

Yeah, we try to cut it. Yeah, you know what I mean? So

39:46

what I've seen is that, you know,

39:49

I think more and more people are starting

39:51

to maybe

39:52

partly because the internet, hopefully partly because

39:54

it shows like what we're doing right now.

39:57

Information and new information is accessible.

39:59

And, you know, I know

40:02

there's probably, you know, I'm hoping a lot of people that

40:04

watch that are like, okay, hey, look, my

40:06

back's been killing me, my hip, my shoulder. I've

40:09

tried this, I've tried that, but I haven't tried,

40:11

you know, this new approach. Is

40:13

this something that could help me? So,

40:16

you know, we've had great success,

40:18

you know, with lots of people in kind

40:22

of in baseball,

40:24

basketball, football, soccer,

40:26

you know, track and field. Haven't really gotten

40:28

the hockey that much yet. A lot of entertainers

40:31

who also I didn't appreciate the wear

40:33

and tear that takes, you know,

40:35

demands on their body. Hockey players

40:37

need them the most. Yeah. Action movie stars. Yeah.

40:40

You would never think, you know, they're doing like 200 takes of like this,

40:42

you know, this fight scene. And,

40:45

you know, they're just all. Hockey players

40:47

just need a dentist. They

40:49

don't need a doctor. They

40:52

need a dentist. Yeah, for

40:54

sure. Yeah,

40:57

I'm really happy that

40:58

almost everybody's gotten really, really well. I

41:00

think what's the coolest thing about what

41:02

you're doing is the fact that you're using placenta.

41:05

Yeah, proteins. Yeah, proteins are that.

41:08

And I heard about that. That's huge. Some

41:10

people eat it. Yeah. I used to

41:12

think that was crazy until I went down this rabbit hole. And

41:14

then I realized if you look at nature, you

41:17

know, a lot of animals will eat

41:19

the puzzle. Like a lot of the mothers will eat the placenta

41:21

after because it replenishes their iron stores,

41:24

you know, and obviously does a lot a lot

41:26

a lot of other things as well. But yeah, I mean,

41:29

I think it's probably a good idea. I think they've

41:31

had some studies that show that it reduces

41:33

postpartum. Yeah. The postpartum

41:36

blues, you know, so when when when mothers

41:38

deliver, you know, if you take an end

41:41

to it, no, no, you take young mice

41:44

platelets and put an old my platelets

41:46

and reverses the aging. Yeah.

41:49

Back in the old days,

41:51

witches would take a bunch of young

41:54

virgin girls and bathe in their blood.

41:57

And they believed that brought them

41:59

back to the youth. You know I mean the older

42:02

it's got a killing version. Yeah,

42:05

I think in South America They would sacrifice you

42:07

know a lot of child sacrifice probably

42:09

for that same reason and the our urine is

42:11

very potent, too Yeah, you know

42:14

urine used to be put on warts. We

42:16

used to put on warts warts would disappear Yeah,

42:19

our bodies just one big medicine cabinet

42:22

a hundred percent and then that with nature

42:24

and you know you got to think There's

42:27

this I don't want

42:29

to say obsession, but it's it's you know Human

42:32

longevity right and regenerative medicine

42:35

is now really kind of coming into the forefront

42:37

and people are kind of trying you know everything from

42:41

Injecting younger people's blood you

42:43

know because they've shown in some animal

42:45

models that that works What

42:48

we do you know at my

42:50

clinic? Which is called Vitruvia? And

42:53

we have offices in New York

42:56

in LA and then Miami We

42:58

we also you know use IV

43:01

amnion right so this is

43:03

like so we don't give stem

43:05

cells to anybody what we're what

43:08

we're Doing is delivering

43:10

these placental proteins Which

43:12

turn on the language inside

43:14

of the body turn out right because we have billions of stem

43:16

cells inside us But like the trick is how

43:18

do you turn them on right

43:20

and you turn them on by speaking? The

43:23

cellular language and that's what we're doing right

43:25

so we're not giving you any cells But we're

43:27

giving the parts of speech kind of that

43:29

are enabling the three of us to Speak

43:32

and you know conversate fluently that

43:35

same thing inside of your body because like how I think

43:37

about it is

43:38

You know let's say

43:40

you get injured right? That's like the equivalent

43:43

of Being in

43:45

a really bad classroom. You know

43:47

like chronic chronic injury You know you

43:49

got cells that are screaming at one

43:51

another the teacher. There's no

43:54

clear lesson plan You know so

43:56

what's uh? What's the probability that

43:59

you know something?

43:59

good is going to come out of that, right? So it's

44:02

why I don't really believe in stem cells as

44:04

much because you're just injecting cells. If

44:06

you think of cells as a really

44:08

smart young kid,

44:10

you know, and this area of inflammation as

44:12

like a dysfunctional classroom, what

44:15

do you think the higher probability is putting

44:17

two kids into a dysfunctional

44:19

classroom or changing the

44:22

classroom completely, right? Changing

44:24

the lesson, changing the conversation. And that's what

44:26

we're trying to do here, right? Like I could

44:28

have just injected some stem cells

44:30

in your back. But if I didn't

44:33

have the intention of I need to break

44:35

up the scar tissue, I need to open up like

44:37

his lymphatic pathways. So, you

44:39

know, all of the swelling and cellular

44:41

debris can drain out. I need to

44:44

free up these nerves that have gotten stuck

44:46

or ensnared in scar tissue. You

44:48

know, we would have had a, I think,

44:50

average to below average result. Instead,

44:53

we didn't use any stem cells, you know,

44:55

and we don't use any painkillers or

44:57

any steroids, right? This is literally just

45:00

how can I trick the body into healing the

45:02

way a baby grows? Because clearly,

45:05

at

45:06

least my humble opinion, the

45:08

secret to living forever or in healing

45:10

ourselves is inside of every woman, right?

45:12

Inside of that placenta. Because like we're all

45:15

here because we're able to be grown

45:18

up inside of our mothers, right? So if

45:20

they if you can go from a sperm and an egg,

45:23

you know, to a 20 pound or to a 10 pound

45:26

baby in nine months and

45:28

building all of that complicated machinery. I

45:30

mean, that's insane if you think about it. I was a 10 pound baby,

45:32

by the way. Yeah, of course you are. Of course you

45:34

are. Exactly. I

45:38

think human beings became too civilized

45:41

because

45:41

by being too civilized, we look at our

45:45

natural medicine as being sat disgusting.

45:48

Like the placenta or something. Yeah. Year

45:51

in a sudden, we all think, oh, that's disgusting. I would

45:54

never do that. And when we first started,

45:56

that's all we...

45:57

creation of human beings

45:59

first started.

45:59

That's what we did, we'd eat each other, drink

46:02

each other blood, eat each other. That's just

46:04

what we did. We would never do that. Now some

46:06

tribes do, but we would never think about doing that. That

46:08

was something that we used to do every day. They

46:11

go, another motherfucker, let's get him. You

46:15

know that's how they did it. For

46:17

sure. For sure. But I think... Some

46:19

of them got away sometimes, like,

46:21

whoo. So I think the

46:24

medical, pharmaceutical,

46:27

modern industrial complex that

46:30

derives its revenue off of patenting medicines,

46:32

it's hard to patent a placenta.

46:36

It's easier to patent

46:37

one drug, one molecule. But

46:40

I think that's why we're starting

46:42

to see that a lot of these drugs... I

46:46

crack up,

46:48

Melissa, my girlfriend and I, we'll be watching TV

46:50

late at night.

46:51

You see an advertisement

46:54

for, I don't know, some drug for

46:56

psoriasis. But then one of the side

46:58

effects will be like... Your mother might die. Exactly.

47:01

You might die. You might die. Eat a leakage

47:04

fist, man. You're like, yo. I'll send my itchy

47:06

skin. My ass is in your butt leaking. My ass is in your butt leaking.

47:08

And they be saying it hella fast, too. You may die, you might die.

47:11

Exactly. What? You could say, my

47:13

daughter may die. My daughter may die. My daughter

47:15

may die. My daughter may die. My daughter may

47:17

die. My daughter may die. My daughter may

47:19

die. My daughter may die. I'm gonna make it internally.

47:23

So it's

47:23

that, I think when you give that orchestra the instructions

47:25

of, let's say that

47:28

drug

47:32

is a trumpet, and you say, all

47:34

right, I just want a lot of trumpet. Or you

47:36

remember that Saturday Night Live commercial, not commercial,

47:38

that skit with Christopher Walken was like,

47:40

I need more cowbell. Every time, I

47:42

need more cowbell. If you give too much

47:45

of one thing, it's probably gonna throw

47:48

the rest of everything out of balance. And

47:50

that's what I really believe, that our

47:53

body is this infinite teacher,

47:55

right? And we have to

47:57

really look to nature for inspiration.

47:59

as we try to evolve

48:02

medicine to a place where more

48:05

and more people can live a better, healthier

48:07

life, because look, the three of us are fortunate,

48:09

right? But imagine if we were someplace

48:12

in India, Africa, any place where, you

48:15

know, if my shoulder hurts, I can't work out on the

48:17

farm or the field, or I can't do

48:19

my job, if I can't do my job, my whole family's

48:21

gonna starve. You know, like, and that's

48:24

a different set of situations,

48:26

but

48:27

their pain is our pain, is your pain, is

48:30

my pain, right, it's all the same, you know? So I really,

48:33

you know, that's kind of really where my head's at

48:35

and where I'm trying to,

48:36

you know, apply all my energy is just.

48:39

I think you'll do so good. Thank you,

48:41

brother, I really appreciate it. For sure. I

48:43

really, really appreciate it. I think it's amazing, and I think it's- That's the miracle,

48:45

I'm cool.

48:47

I'm cool. Sometimes listen

48:49

to your back hurt, you can't love your wife,

48:51

can't play with your kid. Yeah. It's

48:54

fun. I gotta get you in the clinic, man. Yeah. Scary

48:56

up. I think it's amazing though, I remember you

48:59

could even, didn't you have a cane, Mike? Mm-hmm.

49:02

Right?

49:03

Yeah, like Michael, yeah, I remember that.

49:06

No one's the only good thing about being in a wheelchair,

49:08

you go right in first class, right, and go

49:10

in front of everybody in the air, go bye, everybody,

49:12

first class, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah,

49:15

my mom's dealing with some sciatica right now, so

49:18

we got to fly her down to Miami,

49:20

but we were actually telling her that, we were

49:22

like, look, Mike was dealing with it, I mean, just

49:25

listen to what he said, you're gonna just skip all the lines, get

49:27

straight on the plane, get off the plane, get all the fucking

49:30

lines. We'll pick you up, and that's right. And it got

49:32

wheelchair right in the door, as soon as

49:33

you get out, they hold you, you get in the wheelchair,

49:35

boom. Yeah, I think it's amazing that you said, too

49:38

much of anything isn't good for you, because my dad always used to

49:40

tell me, growing up he used to be

49:43

like, as a kid, he'd be like, listen, man, you gotta understand,

49:45

man, too much of anything good for you, and it's so fun. Too

49:47

much love is worse than no love. Yeah, like,

49:50

there's anything, too much love is worse than

49:52

no love. Yeah, for sure. It's amazing, how

49:54

that even works with the body and everything, and the protein and all

49:56

that stuff. Damn. Just being

49:59

balanced.

49:59

So what else is

50:02

it that you want to go to the next level of medicine?

50:06

So, you know, for the last,

50:08

you know, I've been working on this now five years.

50:10

The first

50:11

two and a half, three years, we're kind of in secret,

50:14

you know, just making sure I actually had

50:16

something, right? So true to thousands of people

50:18

at this point. So now, you know,

50:20

kind of this show is really a

50:23

marker of now

50:25

switching to offense and raising awareness

50:27

about what we're doing, right? Because

50:30

we have more than enough proof, you know, we've treated,

50:33

you know, so many different people and helped them in,

50:35

you know, in so many different ways. Now

50:38

it's time to really kind of raise

50:40

the awareness so we can

50:42

create hopefully this zeitgeist, this change

50:45

in the modern human existence

50:48

and one that isn't as

50:50

plagued by chronic pain and suffering.

50:53

And we can just live healthier,

50:56

happier lives where we can actualize, you

50:58

know, what are our dreams? Like, I mean, Milan, right? Like,

51:01

we want to see her

51:03

achieve her goals, right? We

51:05

don't want her goals to be

51:08

hindered by her

51:10

arm hurting or her back hurting. Like

51:12

that shouldn't be the reason why you don't get to at

51:15

least try to achieve your dreams,

51:18

you know? So that's really, you

51:20

know, from a personal standpoint,

51:23

myself and, you know, the other

51:25

Dr. Amy is the other physician that

51:28

works with me. You know, we're

51:30

very focused on

51:32

at a personal level helping people actualize

51:36

and achieve, you know, the best versions of their life,

51:38

whether it's your daughter, whether it's a 55-year-old,

51:42

you know, CEO that wants to

51:44

play tennis, whether it's whomever, right? Like,

51:46

we all have the right to live our best life. For

51:48

sure. And that's really what I want to

51:51

achieve.

51:52

You're doing that with me and my daughter. Thank

51:55

you, man. Super happy. Need

51:57

to get you back in there. That's right. Be

52:00

so happy. You're in trouble, guys. Come on. No,

52:02

no, no, no, no, no, no. Jesus. So

52:06

it's WADA approved.

52:07

We just got approved by the UFC. This

52:12

is all- No football team to them. It's basically

52:14

like PRP.

52:15

PRP's approved. But

52:18

it's PRP, but to the next level.

52:21

Oh, what a PRP. Yeah, so stem cells

52:23

are probably, you guys are able

52:25

to do it. Maybe the team doesn't

52:27

give you your blessing, but you're not doing anything

52:29

illegal. PRP,

52:32

I'm sure now at this point, team

52:34

doctors are even doing that. I

52:36

used all that stuff before it was all legal. Yeah,

52:39

it's all- I plead the fifth. Yeah, OK.

52:42

I plead the fifth. So- Psychedelics. You

52:44

don't do psyches.

52:46

Talk about that. Hell, yeah. Psychedelics?

52:49

Psychedelics. So psychedelics are a huge

52:51

part of your journey, right? Yeah, yeah. We'll talk about that,

52:53

how that gets along. Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, so

52:56

I haven't done the toad yet. Hopefully

52:58

we can do it together. Yeah. But I

53:00

have done mushrooms in the past,

53:05

and they were incredibly,

53:07

probably the most powerful teacher that

53:10

I could have ever had. Because not only

53:12

did it help enhance my creativity,

53:15

but actually,

53:16

again,

53:20

shout out to my girlfriend, Melissa. She

53:23

took me on a journey when I was living in Los

53:25

Angeles

53:26

that enabled me to kind

53:28

of get to the root source of

53:30

some childhood trauma that I

53:32

had actually completely forgotten about. But

53:35

that trauma was holding

53:37

my life back in a profound

53:40

way. Wow. Yeah, and that trauma was

53:42

in India, so

53:45

in a lot of Asian countries, and they do this in the

53:47

West, also, like in Germany. I'm

53:50

a left-handed person, but-

53:51

and my grandparents,

53:53

they weren't doing this to be mean, but basically, they

53:55

forced me to become right-handed. So they tie your

53:58

hand up to your- Yeah, exactly.

53:59

No, that's I know. In the embankment.

54:02

Probably. Yeah, they want you because

54:04

they think eating with your left hand isn't... Yeah,

54:06

unclean or it's like... Unclean, yeah. Yeah,

54:08

exactly. Even in Latin, right, like

54:11

left is sinistra, right

54:13

is dextra. So there's

54:15

this conception

54:17

that left-handed people maybe were not

54:20

as conformative, you know,

54:22

like as right-handed people. But

54:24

that was something that really... An

54:26

ancient time left hand with the... Exactly.

54:29

Exactly. So that

54:32

was something that I didn't realize was

54:34

having such a profound impact

54:36

on my life, which was, you know, realize

54:38

it. But

54:39

if, you know, at two, three,

54:42

you're kind of getting rewired into

54:44

thinking like your first natural

54:47

response to something is the wrong one,

54:49

right?

54:49

Because like, hey, I want to grab those blueberries

54:51

in my left hand, but they

54:54

want me to do it with my right hand. It almost like rewires

54:57

you to kind of second guess yourself. And even

54:59

further, I felt like for the longest

55:01

time, I was like

55:02

two people inside of

55:04

one person kind of like,

55:06

you know, fighting back and forth. So I never really

55:08

felt at peace at all,

55:11

you know, both physically or mentally.

55:14

So you know, psychedelics have

55:17

kind of brought me back, you know, like kind

55:19

of helped realign. Another

55:21

thing I noticed, which was really fascinating, which

55:24

is,

55:25

you know, the mycelium, right? The

55:28

actual network is very

55:30

similar to the way neurons

55:33

are constructed, right? And

55:36

we know that

55:38

while taking psilocybin,

55:40

that activates. There's no more

55:42

powerful substance on Earth.

55:45

That's what's called synaptogenic. So it

55:47

causes new brain connections

55:49

to happen. There's nothing that

55:51

exists in the world that's more powerful than

55:54

magic, and that's why I'm here with Dr.

55:57

Dr. Dr. Dr.

55:59

It's so powerful in helping

56:02

people deal with,

56:03

you know, any past like

56:06

issues, emotional, physical. But I

56:08

would notice when I would take them that I would

56:10

get this desire to like kind of adjust

56:12

my body. And I'm like, fuck, I feel like my like connective

56:15

tissue is like getting turned on. It's like

56:17

alive, you know, like not in that

56:19

way, but I mean, that way also. But

56:22

you know, I'm just- I don't know, ask your girlfriend. Yeah, exactly. She's

56:24

smiling. She's smiling, I think. She's smiling, all right,

56:26

yeah, we'll take a look at this. But

56:29

you know, like, so you really

56:31

start to think,

56:32

all right, you know, there's something deeper going on

56:35

here. And the way mushrooms actually

56:37

communicate with one another is

56:40

in a very similar fashion to a our

56:42

fascia does, which is it's called piezoelectricity.

56:46

So like if I push on your leg, that

56:48

pressure is gonna cause a chemical

56:51

gradient change. And that causes

56:53

a flow of information. It's like a signal. This

56:55

is like actually why things

56:58

like massage, things like the work we do,

57:01

yoga, Pilates, what have you, they

57:03

actually help reorganize your body,

57:05

right? Your cells know like

57:07

how to line up and orient themselves based

57:10

off of these piezoelectric

57:12

fields. So if your hip is in the wrong

57:14

place, have you ever noticed how then some people are bowlegged?

57:17

Yeah. Right? So it's like when

57:19

your hip gets pulled too far forward,

57:22

then your knee is outside of your

57:24

hip. And then over time, the bone

57:26

like remodels and kind of becomes

57:28

bowlegged because it's remodeling according

57:32

to this piezoelectric line that's

57:34

now been shifted because of the alignment.

57:36

Yeah. So, yeah, I mean,

57:38

I look, I wouldn't be here without them. I

57:41

believe that, you know, everyone

57:44

should at least try them obviously in a responsible

57:46

way, you know? I don't think

57:49

there's anything like a,

57:50

there's no such thing as a bad trip.

57:53

You know, I think it's a teacher, right? So

57:56

even when I had this like really dark experience

57:58

and it was the craziest shit I've ever felt,

57:59

I mean, it was like, I don't know if

58:02

you guys ever watched like Dragon Ball Z. Yeah,

58:04

I grew up watching that. I

58:06

was like, fucking super saying, you know, like all

58:08

this energy was like shooting out at

58:10

me. I was like, you know, just

58:13

do the entire, you would have thought

58:15

like a bomb went off inside of me, you know,

58:17

like, and then probably 12

58:20

hours after that, you know, as I was starting to reintegrate,

58:22

I thought to myself like, man, this is like some darkness

58:25

that

58:26

I've never felt before. I got to go back in there, right?

58:28

So I waited a day,

58:30

then, you know, Melissa retoast

58:33

me again, you know, with like, I

58:35

think, it's not even a hero's dose, it's like a legends dose

58:37

or whatever, right? It's a lot. Oh,

58:39

that's a man food. That would have meant food. No, I mean,

58:41

it's more like, I think we took, well, like 15,

58:44

16 grams, like a lot. So that's a lot, that's a lot. Yeah,

58:46

most people take like three. Okay. Okay.

58:49

Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah.

58:52

Now we're, now we're in it to win it. We went deep.

58:54

We're in it to win it, wow. We went deep, you know, deep

58:56

space. Cause look, I didn't

58:58

know, you know, and it was really interesting. So the

59:00

first time, you

59:01

know, she just kept

59:04

giving us, you know, glasses. Cause

59:06

we drink the tea, you know, we don't, we don't eat it

59:08

cause it upsets our stomach. So I'm,

59:11

I'm laying on the floor and I'm stretching

59:14

cause I just like injected the back of my head or

59:16

whatever, you know, maybe the day before and I'm stretching,

59:18

I feel this like pop and

59:20

I got up and I go to the bathroom and

59:22

I just, it was like, you

59:25

know, Dragon Ball Z, man, like the, everything

59:27

was spinning around me. I felt like all of this kind

59:30

of like pain. This was the second time? This was the first

59:32

time. This was the first time. All of this stuff coming out of me.

59:35

And I think it was precipitated by,

59:37

you know, like popping this thing in my neck. And

59:40

then I went back a day

59:42

later, I wasn't stretching as much,

59:44

but the same kind of darkness, it

59:46

actually became clear. Like the first

59:49

time I didn't know who had done

59:51

it, you know, I don't want to say who had done what to me, but like,

59:53

it was like a, it's like a hazy image. And

59:55

then the second time it got like clear and clear.

59:58

Like a vision. Yeah, like a vision, like a clear.

59:59

Yeah, what happened? Yeah, and then

1:00:02

you know, I took me like a year to reintegrate

1:00:04

Mike Do you feel the same way when you take shrimps? I

1:00:07

think you should start moving Those

1:00:09

things start closing. Yeah, the

1:00:11

fighters and stuff fighting actually moving.

1:00:13

Yeah It's just a trip

1:00:15

some people look like demons and shit. What happens

1:00:17

when you close your eyes? Wow

1:00:19

electricity go, right? Exactly.

1:00:23

It's that energy man you get I'm trying not to close

1:00:26

my eye Do you think you close your

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eyes shit's going down? Yeah, has

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it helped you as well like Yeah,

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I think so before I did that stuff before

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I did my total I was a full-blown

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junkie and alcohol Oh, I was

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a mess man. You have no idea.

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I was a mess never coming home Yeah,

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it's a maniac so put you at peace

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I don't know the put them peace but we're

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in the right world to find peace Mmm,

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you kind of realize that everything is connected.

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Yeah, we're like I realize this is just another

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part of life that we

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Like deaf is another part of life. We never experienced

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And you know what once we realize

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that we're all connected life

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becomes very simple right because it's like that

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that golden rule you treat everyone how you

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want to be treated and if we

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all just did that like It'd be soft.

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Yeah, it's kind of like the only rule you

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need I know but some people Animals

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in the skies as human beings. No, you're right

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and they don't get it They don't get

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it how many time you show it to them explain

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it. They don't get it because they don't want to get it No,

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you're right.

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Well, I'm pretty sure Mike

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has something for you. Oh, listen

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Abby. We have a surprise.

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All right First

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of all, there'll be a little

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vibation here. Okay beautiful

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we play And

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you would take stuff like this Well,

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not like this goes in your refrigerator but

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stuff like this put it in that

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place. Let's take it out put on that plate

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Break it up. It's in case

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you want to smoke traffic. Oh, absolutely. These

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are gummies extraordinaire. You're

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going to get so blasted. I love

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it. And

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we got something else. Uh, anybody.

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Okay, left handed, see? Original lefty.

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Yep. I got that. All

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Jones. So this is Wealth is

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Mental. Oh, this is dope. This is for you?

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This is your thing, right? Yeah. The

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Wealth is Well. And we'll get you your size as well. Okay.

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Wealth is your first help. This is for Kiki. Wow,

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Kiki.

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Here you go. Thank you for this,

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Mama. Kiki. And yeah, you're

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triple. I'm a two X. We got you.

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Wealth is dope. Yeah. Well,

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Mike, you got to ask your famous... Wealth is mental. Wealth

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is mental. Wealth is good too. Wealth is good

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too. Wealth is good too.

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Wealth is good too. Wealth is good too. Yeah.

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Well, Mike, you got to ask your famous... Wealth is mental. Wealth

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is mental. Wealth is good too. Wealth is your

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first help. Wealth

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is mental. Mike, you have to ask your famous

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question. Yeah. Brother,

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this is going to be good for you too. Okay.

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There's tons of millions of people

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watching this stuff. Yeah.

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Tell them who

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you are, how they're getting touched with you,

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and if you're in any pain, you

1:03:46

can relieve it. Okay. Dr.

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Abhinav Gautam, inventor of the relief procedure,

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founder of the Vitruvia Clinic, and

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and hopefully trying to find answers, you can

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just look...

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us up www.vitruvia.co

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or you know just type in my name and Google

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it. So Vitruvia one

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of my inspirations is Leonardo da Vinci.

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So the Vitruvian man. So

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you know da

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Vinci was such a polymath

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you know artist sculptor. He's a war monger. Yeah

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he was a. Yeah. Like to build

1:04:27

weapons. Yeah exactly. He's

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got like all those machines like those weapons that he

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designed. Yeah. So that so he's

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one of my my idols. So you know

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I. Yeah. Name

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the clinic after him. I think if they just search

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Vitruvia on Instagram

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they'll find it. Well there you have it folks. Healing

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extraordinaire. Thank you. Appreciate it.

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Yes there you have it. That's Mike Tyson.

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I'm Bash and we have Dr. Avi here.

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We're out of here. Cheers. The Avst.