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2:40

Hi and welcome to Housewives of

2:42

True Crime. Welcome. Welcome.

2:46

I am Tabitha. Give me dateline, white

2:48

wine, and I'll pick up your kids

2:50

in the carpool line. The

2:52

next day, right? Yeah, the next day. Okay. And

2:55

I am Gretchen. I like white

2:58

wine, true crime, and in

3:00

bed by nine because I have a lot of stuff to do in the morning.

3:03

We are Housewives of True Crime. Yes

3:08

we are. Yes we are. Welcome.

3:23

Welcome. Housewives of

3:26

True Crime. Hi.

3:28

Getting to the end of July. You know,

3:31

it just was my anniversary. It's your anniversary

3:33

coming up. It's actually the end

3:35

of June, Tab. Oh, I mean, sorry. I said

3:37

July, I meant June. Coming up on July. Yes,

3:40

and we, well, you

3:42

were married in July. I was married in June. True.

3:45

Just had the 16 year celebration.

3:48

Oh, geez, congratulations. You didn't even post a

3:50

sappy post or I missed it. It's well,

3:52

because it's on Friday and we're recording on

3:55

Wednesday. Oh, okay, okay. Sappy post.

3:57

Sappy post coming. I'll look forward.

10:00

but I would not mind going

10:02

at all. That is the

10:04

one place in Alabama that I would

10:06

take myself to right now also. Yeah,

10:09

lots of museums. You could get

10:11

Kyla around there in her boot. True.

10:14

Yeah, true, right? Yeah. Okay.

10:16

Trisha and John Abney were siblings

10:19

that were living together with Trisha's

10:21

boyfriend, Jeff Martin, in a one

10:23

bedroom apartment in Birmingham in 1995.

10:27

Trisha was 18 months older

10:29

than her brother, who was just 18. So

10:32

it might sound like Trisha and John were

10:34

new to adulting, but I think they probably

10:37

grew up pretty fast because both of their

10:39

parents had passed away in 1986. Oh

10:42

gosh, how? Do you

10:44

know? I am actually not sure how,

10:47

but I know that it involved separate

10:49

instances that seem year. Dude, it sounds

10:51

like the case I just did,

10:53

right? I mean, that is bad luck.

10:57

Yeah. So Trisha and John

11:00

and the other brother went to

11:02

go live with relatives as kids.

11:05

As a teenager, when Trisha hooked up

11:08

with Jeff Martin, her uncle was not

11:10

a fan of the new boyfriend, and

11:12

this led to some sort of falling

11:14

out and Trisha moving out of the

11:16

uncles and moving into an apartment with

11:18

Jeff at the age of 17, and

11:22

then encouraging her younger brother to

11:24

do the same down the road. I

11:28

think encouraging her brother to move in with her sounds

11:30

like a nice big sister thing to do. I

11:33

mean, most of us maybe don't want

11:35

to have our little brothers come live with us and

11:37

our boyfriend. No, but I

11:39

can see how if your parents

11:41

died, it's just you two, and

11:43

so. Totally. Yeah, they must've been

11:45

real tight. That's what I was thinking. But

11:48

still, to have three's a

11:50

crowd sometimes. On

11:52

June 3rd, 1995, Trisha asked her brother if

11:56

he could make himself scarce for the night

11:58

because it was her boyfriend's. birthday and

12:00

she wanted some alone time with

12:02

him. Fair enough.

12:06

So Tricia dropped her little brother John

12:08

off at the bowling alley around 8

12:11

30 pm. John thought

12:13

the bowling alley was a good place to

12:15

kill time, played some pool. While

12:18

his sister and his boyfriend had

12:20

their, you know, romantic rendezvous. So

12:23

I'm picturing Tricia setting up

12:25

some romantic dinner, taper

12:28

handles, you know, for her

12:30

and Jeff to enjoy before they like get their

12:32

freak on. Right. I mean, sure.

12:35

That's what you do. Okay. And then, you

12:38

know, they're not married because they're not married.

12:40

Yeah. Because I didn't do that

12:42

for my anniversary. It hasn't actually happened, but

12:44

I just will tell you, I didn't, I

12:46

think your husband would really appreciate some taper

12:48

candles. He would really appreciate it. But I

12:50

have 23 of my family members coming this

12:53

weekend on the anniversary. That's not

12:56

very romantic tab. It's definitely not

12:58

romantic, but we will play a

13:01

fun game of murder. Oh,

13:04

that is romantic. Super hot.

13:08

Okay. Well, so the

13:11

plan is she's going to have romantic rendezvous.

13:13

Then, you know, after they're done, she's supposed

13:15

to go pick up John from the bowling

13:17

alley. But it seems that

13:19

Tricia had other plans. Tricia

13:22

went to Sammy's while Jeff

13:24

stayed at the apartment by

13:26

himself. Sammy's is

13:28

a strip club in Birmingham,

13:31

which is still open for business, just like it was

13:33

in 1995. And side

13:36

note, it has mixed reviews. I checked out

13:38

the scene and I think the volcano club

13:40

looks like the finest club in Birmingham. If

13:42

that is your thing. Not Sammy's you're saying

13:45

I enjoy reading the strip club reviews. I

13:48

think I would do. It's

13:50

like not a bad time at all. Okay.

13:52

So hold on. You're

13:55

saying Sammy's is not as nice

13:57

as the volcano club. Well, I

13:59

don't want to despair. the business. It's been in business

14:01

for a long time, but I'm telling you they

14:03

had mixed reviews. Okay. So

14:06

I, I, I'm not recommending

14:08

deals or about the girls,

14:10

which one the whole fit

14:12

the whole thing. Okay. So

14:14

why you asked it was Trisha

14:16

at Sammy's? Well, that's because

14:19

she worked there as a dancer on

14:21

occasion. And on this occasion, she

14:23

ran into a young man named Justin

14:25

Barnett. Justin was pretty

14:27

new to Birmingham. He had just moved

14:30

there with his girlfriend, Sheila, the year

14:32

before Justin by all

14:34

accounts was a nice guy. He's

14:36

described as having a young free

14:38

willing spirit and one of the

14:40

nicest guys you ever met by

14:42

his best friend, Todd McGlynn. Todd

14:45

had encouraged Justin to move to Birmingham.

14:47

You know, they're just a couple of kids.

14:50

A new city is so fun to explore

14:52

when you're in your early twenties. The world

14:54

is your oyster. So Justin

14:56

got himself a restaurant job in the

14:58

city, but he also had a

15:01

little side hustle. He sold

15:03

the drugs. Oh, exactly

15:05

what type is debatable. His

15:08

girlfriend Sheila acknowledges that she knew

15:10

her boyfriend sold weed, but

15:12

she didn't approve of that sort of

15:14

thing. And so they didn't talk much

15:17

about it. But Sheila was aware that

15:19

he kept his stash of the green

15:21

stuff and cash in a backpack that

15:23

he kept with him all the time.

15:25

Okay. So it wasn't like he's

15:27

not flying in airplanes. He's just the like side

15:31

hustle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

15:33

according to others, Justin stole more

15:35

than just the Mary Jane as

15:38

in cocaine and ecstasy. And that

15:41

is possible, I'm sure. But from

15:43

what I understand, regardless of what

15:45

he was selling, he was a

15:48

real small time purveyor of illegal

15:50

substances. Okay. Okay.

15:52

Not that I can do any

15:54

drug dealing or anything, but some

15:56

are just worse than

15:58

others. those that like

16:01

dabble, right? Okay. Especially those

16:03

that dabble in dumb stuff

16:05

like, you know, side hustle,

16:07

drug selling when they are young like Justin,

16:09

you know, 23 and not fully

16:12

formed, cerebral-ly speaking. And then we're

16:14

talking 90, you said 95. 95.

16:17

Yeah. You don't want to know what I was doing

16:19

in 95. Okay. Maybe

16:22

my boyfriend was also dabbling in that kind

16:25

of behavior. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I never did

16:27

it, but I was

16:29

attracted to those type of guys at

16:31

the moment. And me. Yeah.

16:35

Yeah. Yeah. So

16:37

adjacent. Okay. So

16:40

on June 3rd, 1995, Justin

16:42

found himself at Sammy's where

16:44

Trisha was. On this

16:46

particular night, Justin was driving his

16:48

girlfriend's car, a geo-prism.

16:52

I too drove a geo-prism

16:56

in the 90s. Yeah. Gretchen had

16:58

a hard time keeping herself, not

17:01

bumping into other cars. That

17:03

is, I did have a

17:05

couple of rear ending occurrences

17:08

that were, I was at fault in

17:11

that car. In that car. Yeah. Okay.

17:14

Well, Justin borrowed his girlfriend's

17:17

geo-prism car for the evening

17:19

because his trans am, which

17:23

he had named Bertha, had a little

17:25

muffler issue and he didn't feel like

17:27

getting pulled over, especially if he was

17:30

going to be drinking. And

17:32

now I just thought, isn't that ironic?

17:34

We're talking about Justin Timberlake. Oh my

17:36

God. Yes. Another Justin. And we're talking

17:38

about another Justin who back in 1995,

17:40

not cerebral, he formed a 23 new,

17:45

you got to keep a real low key. If you're

17:47

going to be drinking and driving, not that I condone

17:49

that. Especially by the way, if you have

17:51

a bag full of drugs. And a real word.

17:55

Okay. And there was no Uber at

17:57

the time. And can, how about a trans

17:59

am? I haven't heard. that word in a while. Can

18:01

you tell me those? That's crazy. I don't

18:03

know. I don't think so. Okay.

18:05

Well, so

18:07

Justin and his girlfriend had split up

18:09

for the night to go to different

18:11

parties with different friends around town. So

18:13

Sammy's was just a pit stop for

18:15

Justin. And by the way,

18:18

his girlfriend did not know anything about Justin

18:20

stopping by Sammy's. Right. He didn't

18:22

like advertise. I'm going by the strip club. And

18:25

according to Tricia, Justin stopped by

18:27

Sammy's a lot. All the time.

18:30

Tricia says he came in Sammy's

18:33

with his backpack full of drugs

18:35

and money that he generously tipped

18:37

her with, which

18:39

sadly made him a target

18:41

for Tricia. You

18:43

see his generosity was not enough for

18:45

Miss Tricia on this particular night. And

18:47

she wasn't opposed to getting her hands

18:49

on the drugs in his backpack as

18:51

well. Tricia and

18:54

Jeff had a plan to get

18:56

every last dime and drug Justin

18:58

had on him. Turns

19:00

out Tricia and her boyfriend's idea of romance really

19:02

didn't have anything to do with tapered candles and

19:05

a nice dinner at all. Their

19:07

idea of romance was platation. And

19:11

by the way, part of her

19:13

platation was lying to her little

19:15

brother because it wasn't even Jeff's

19:18

birthday. Even in the month

19:20

of June, she totally lied. Pants

19:26

are on fire. Okay. So

19:28

Jeff and Tricia plotted together to

19:30

get Tricia to go into Sammy's

19:33

and lure Justin Barnett to the

19:35

apartment where Jeff would be there

19:37

waiting and then they would rob

19:39

Justin. And

19:41

that's the real reason why she had dropped off her

19:43

little brother at the bowling alley because she didn't want

19:45

him involved. But

19:48

he ended up being involved anyways

19:50

because the robbery did not go

19:52

according to her and Jeff's plan

19:54

and both Tricia and Jeff stabbed

19:57

Justin to death in the apartment

19:59

that day. night. Yeah.

20:03

To get rid of the body,

20:05

they had another disturbing plantation and

20:08

it was messy and

20:10

time-consuming. And so after hours

20:12

of Justin calling from the bowling alley

20:14

for her to come and pick

20:16

him up, which she finally did, she

20:18

told John on the ride home that they

20:20

had to quote, take care of

20:22

Justin. John

20:25

knew who Justin was because he had

20:27

met him once before. All he knew

20:29

about him based on the

20:31

one brief meeting was that according to

20:33

his sister, Justin

20:35

sold drugs. When John

20:38

and Tricia arrived back at the apartment,

20:40

John recalls he smelled bleach and

20:43

then he saw Justin's dead body

20:45

which has haunted him ever since.

20:47

Dude, for sure. Well,

20:50

especially given the condition of the body.

20:54

John says that he can't even

20:56

recall warning for what he was

20:58

fixing to see which

21:00

was Tricia in the kitchen washing

21:02

knives like it was nothing and

21:04

what was still remaining of Justin.

21:07

You see, Jeff and Tricia had decided

21:10

to chop him up in the bathtub.

21:13

Using knives? Yeah. Dude,

21:16

I can't hardly even cut chicken. Like, I

21:18

mean, to me, obviously, we talk about murder

21:21

all the time but murderers that do disturbing

21:23

things like like this. Dropping up. This is

21:25

so it's so next level. It is

21:28

like how I like

21:30

was she throwing up too? I mean, no,

21:33

he said she

21:35

acted like it was nothing. No way.

21:37

I mean, you gotta be real cold

21:39

hearted to be able to do that.

21:41

Oh my god. I mean, seriously, like

21:43

my son also can't even eat my

21:45

husband's cooking without throwing up. So like

21:48

our family would just be like real bad. Real

21:51

bad. I can't like how

21:54

how do you go from robbing the

21:56

he's just 18 of his they asked

21:58

John to drive the the Geo-Prism, Justin

22:00

had driven there that night so

22:02

they could ditch the vehicle and

22:05

so he did that. And then

22:07

it got in the car with Tricia

22:09

and Jeff and the three drove to

22:11

a wooded area in Bibb County where

22:14

they left the bags with Justin's remains.

22:16

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22:19

all this was happening, Justin's girlfriend was

22:21

left wondering where the F is my

22:23

boyfriend. She had been

22:26

paging him all night and was so worried

22:28

when she had not heard from him that

22:30

she called the police. Yeah, pagers. Yeah,

22:33

pagers. Yeah. I

22:35

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22:38

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a few days later, a friend

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of Justin's found the car

26:38

in the spot where John had driven

26:41

it to. Sheila

26:43

called the police to tell them that they

26:45

had found the car, but not her boyfriend.

26:47

But she says they weren't interested and they

26:49

didn't come out to inspect the car. Sheila

26:53

did all the things you do when your loved

26:55

one is missing. She put up flyers. She called

26:57

everyone that her and Justin

27:00

knew in both Birmingham and South

27:02

Carolina where Justin was and

27:04

her were originally from to see if

27:06

anyone knew anything. A

27:09

friend of Justin's told her it was

27:11

possible that Justin went to Sammy's that

27:13

night that he went missing. And

27:16

so she's following every lead. So she

27:18

took herself down there. She spoke

27:20

with the manager and asked to speak with

27:22

a girl who worked there that she had heard

27:24

might have seen her boyfriend last. But

27:27

the manager told her that girl doesn't work her

27:29

anymore. So

27:31

she went to the police with all the

27:33

information she could gather several times. But she

27:35

says the detectives just blew her off and

27:37

told her her boyfriend likely

27:40

just ran off with another girl. After

27:43

months of getting doors slammed in her face,

27:45

so to speak, she stopped contacting

27:48

police and moved on the best

27:50

she could. But in her heart, she never let it

27:52

go. She just didn't know what

27:54

to do. And neither

27:56

did Justin's friends and family that had been

27:59

searching for him. answers as well. As

28:02

for Tricia and Jeff and John, they

28:05

all got on with their lives as well too. Jeff

28:08

and Tricia broke up not

28:10

long after that and Jeff

28:12

got married and moved to Mobile,

28:15

Alabama. Tricia packed

28:17

it up as well and lived in Texas

28:19

for a couple years before returning to Birmingham.

28:22

She did not avoid the law while

28:24

she moved on with her life. She

28:26

racked up a couple drug charges and

28:29

a third degree robbery charge. She

28:31

married a man named Michael. At least

28:34

they say they're married on social media

28:36

but I did not find evidence that

28:38

they were actually legally married. And

28:41

you would think that if they were to, you know, she would

28:43

have changed her last name but it's still Abby. Tricia

28:46

and Michael lived together in Birmingham.

28:50

Yeah, I just don't get that vibe for, you

28:52

know, I would think that. I

28:56

mean, she could just be like too lazy to

28:58

go down to the, you know, Social Security office

29:00

or, you know, like whatever. Yeah. But I

29:03

just don't think so. So they're living together for years,

29:07

decades actually, and doing the things we all

29:09

have the luxury of doing because we are

29:11

alive, you know, unlike

29:14

Justin and not in prison, like

29:16

his killers should have been. Right.

29:18

Things like posting on Facebook, new

29:20

outfits, inspirational quotes.

29:23

Oh, she's posting inspirational quotes. Sure.

29:25

She posted, don't

29:27

let your past determine your future.

29:30

The irony of that one was

29:32

that literally the day after she

29:34

posted it, she was

29:36

arrested and charged with capital

29:39

murder. They found her. Looks like

29:41

her past did dictate her

29:43

future. Yeah. Well,

29:45

yeah. Let's see how that

29:47

trial ended. Well, it

29:50

took her brother, John, 20 years,

29:53

but thankfully he decided to go to

29:55

the police and tell them what he

29:57

knew. The burden of everything He had

29:59

witnessed that night had been eating away

30:02

at him and I'm sure it didn't

30:04

help that He was right pissed off

30:06

at his sister to the point. He

30:08

hadn't spoke to her in a year

30:11

The last time they had spoken he told

30:13

her something like you know what sister I'm

30:16

gonna make sure you go to prison for the rest of your

30:18

day-gone life Well

30:21

Trisha probably thought like whatever it's been over

30:23

20 years and he hasn't turned me in

30:26

by now He's never gonna Plus

30:28

he was there. He's like an accomplice and he's not going

30:30

to put himself at risk But

30:33

well, that's what she was wrong After

30:37

John went to the police and told

30:39

them he knew of a 20 year

30:41

old murder and identified Justin who they

30:43

had in their files as a missing

30:45

person They decided to go have

30:47

a chat with Trisha They

30:50

told her they were just conducting

30:52

an investigation and that she wasn't

30:54

a suspect She

30:57

spoke with them pretty freely and they returned

30:59

a couple more times to talk with her

31:02

By the way, she was recorded in jail later

31:05

saying she probably never should have talked to them

31:07

and just fled. I mean

31:09

high in sight Also

31:12

Trisha high in sight is you should

31:14

have never committed the murder You

31:17

and you should have some remorse that does

31:19

not sound very remorseful. It's not remorseful Sounds

31:22

like when she killed him, she wasn't remorseful

31:24

I think if I was gonna rob somebody

31:27

and not actually murder them and I accidentally

31:29

like went overboard cuz of my adrenaline or

31:31

something I Would

31:33

be freaking the f out like I wouldn't I?

31:37

Just can't imagine that I will cut

31:39

somebody up like I think I would

31:41

not do that I

31:43

wouldn't I wouldn't I can't I mean I know that I wouldn't

31:45

but yeah, I know that you wouldn't but she Sounds

31:48

like really has a hard soul which

31:50

maybe has something to do with her

31:52

parents dying at a young age

31:54

and having to like Yeah

31:56

hard in her heart anyways, you know, yeah,

31:58

I hear all of that what you're saying.

32:01

And I think that's valid. But also I

32:03

recognize a lot of people have tragic

32:06

things happen and they don't, they don't

32:09

go around cold blood and killing and

32:11

chopping people up. Thank God, because everybody

32:13

has something. Okay. And it clearly bothered

32:16

her brother for the rest of

32:18

his life. And he had the same situation. True.

32:20

Well, true. Right. Okay.

32:25

So of course, police also went to

32:28

go talk to Jeff Trisha's ex boyfriend

32:30

who had been off in mobile, Alabama,

32:32

live in a normal life. But

32:35

you know what, when they went to go talk to him, he

32:38

told the police, I don't have to talk to

32:40

you. And he never did.

32:43

Jeff ended his own life a few days

32:45

after police stopped by. No way.

32:49

Yeah. Yeah. What

32:51

kind of life was he leading? Did he have children or?

32:53

Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. Probably

32:59

because it was eating him up for

33:02

his whole life too. Yes. Yes. I believe

33:04

so. So now Trisha is

33:06

their number one suspect and they

33:08

brought her down to the station

33:10

for the next round of questioning.

33:13

They had her and her brother,

33:15

John sit down together in an

33:17

interrogation room while they watched and

33:19

taped it. Trisha

33:22

said, Jeff is the one that stabbed Justin,

33:24

but she admitted to her brother that she

33:26

sort of stabbed him a couple of times

33:28

too. I

33:31

mean, Trisha, you

33:34

are not the brightest crown of the box, right? You know, they're

33:36

watching you. Have you not

33:38

seen one episode of law and order? Two

33:42

way mirror, right? It's, they're

33:45

watching everything you say. I can't

33:48

believe she did that. So after

33:50

she confessed that part, you know,

33:52

on tape, she was then

33:54

charged with Justin Barnett's murder in 2015, 20

33:56

years. later.

34:01

Justin's family and friends were

34:03

notified and they had to learn

34:05

the grisly details about his death that no one should

34:08

ever have to hear. They started

34:10

a Facebook group called Justice

34:12

for Justin after

34:14

she was arrested and shared trial dates

34:17

and info you know like that as

34:19

well as where they would be conducting

34:21

searches for Justin's remains so that he

34:24

could finally be laid to rest. I

34:27

have to report sadly they have conducted

34:30

numerous searches and Justin's remains have never

34:32

been found. Never. Trisha

34:35

did not take a plea and

34:37

pre-trial what

34:40

I learned from that Facebook group is that her

34:42

lawyer applied for a youthful offender status due to

34:44

the fact she was under 21 in 1995. The

34:46

request was not approved.

34:53

While she awaited trial she was released

34:56

on a $60,000 bond you know so

35:00

she got to be home with an ankle monitor which

35:02

meant basically two more years of freedom for

35:05

her since her trial didn't take place until

35:07

2017. In an attempt

35:10

to raise money for I assumed

35:13

her bond and maybe legal expenses

35:15

Trisha's boyfriend husband made

35:18

a GoFundMe to

35:20

reunite Trisha and Mike. Well

35:23

that did not go over well in the

35:25

Justice for Justin group. I can imagine it

35:27

did not go over well at all. No

35:30

and people in it reported it and it was

35:32

taken down. It appeared

35:35

Mike did actually raise five bucks.

35:38

Five dollars? Yeah I'm curious who that

35:40

donor was. I don't

35:43

know. When Trisha did

35:45

finally go to trial her attorney argued

35:48

that she had been denied her rights

35:50

because she asked police during their multiple

35:52

chats if she needed a lawyer. But

35:56

listen kids everybody

35:58

knows you don't say Do I

36:00

need a lawyer? You have to

36:02

say, like, give me a damn

36:04

lawyer. Right? So

36:08

she was not denied her rights. Her

36:10

brother testified against her. He, by the

36:12

way, was never charged with anything. John

36:16

testified that he believed his sister

36:18

and Jeff had always impended to

36:20

kill Justin because they already had

36:22

the trash bags and the shovel.

36:26

And when he got in the car with them, there

36:28

wasn't a discussion about where they were going to go

36:30

take the body parts to. And so

36:32

he figured they'd already planned that out ahead of

36:34

time. Justin's

36:37

girlfriend, Sheila, also testified at the trial and

36:40

broke down on the stand. I mean, the

36:42

whole thing is such a nightmare for her

36:44

and all the people that love Justin to

36:46

have gone through, you know, he was just

36:48

gone and there were no

36:51

answers. And it didn't seem to

36:53

matter to the police. Right. Well,

36:55

probably because they're like, you know, this

36:57

kid selling drugs and he's at a

37:00

strip club and it's like

37:04

not, you know, the. It

37:06

is. Yeah, it is tragic. But I know I, you know, I'm 46

37:09

now. I have a lot of, you know, 46

37:13

year old male friends who did a lot of

37:15

dumb stuff. I know. In their

37:18

20s that are fine and upstanding citizens today.

37:20

I know. Right. So

37:23

it just, yeah, it's

37:25

really unfortunate. So I don't, I do

37:27

not think it doesn't sound to

37:29

me and I don't know. I mean, who knows? But

37:32

it doesn't sound like he was,

37:35

he might've been on a bad path, but

37:37

maybe not a bad path forever. Right. So

37:39

yeah, maybe not a bad path forever. He

37:41

wasn't, you know, no, I don't think he

37:43

was or no trying to hurt anybody or

37:45

drive by shooting. So the guy's probably like,

37:48

he's working in a restaurant doing weed.

37:50

The person who says that he sold

37:52

ecstasy is and cocaine

37:55

is Trisha. Okay. So we

37:57

have to take that with a grain of salt. Got it. Okay.

38:00

Although I can imagine she wanted cocaine

38:03

over probably and so there is a possibility But

38:05

that maybe you know, he did have some of

38:08

that on him or something. I don't know. Maybe

38:10

he made some bad choices, but You

38:14

know Trisha made a real bad choice

38:17

Yeah, no excuse and Trisha got away

38:19

with it for a long ass time

38:21

So it's really sad that those those

38:24

choices I think you know take away

38:26

from for in the police

38:28

eyes It takes away the validity of him

38:31

being missing. Yeah Right.

38:33

I mean I understand their point of view But

38:37

you know, it just sucks. Yeah, so

38:39

there was also a jailhouse informant who

38:41

said Trisha admitted to her That

38:43

she had cut off Justin's head Bad

38:49

right So I am NOT really sure

38:51

why with so many cards stacked against

38:54

her Trisha went through with a trial

38:56

instead of taking a plea Hey,

38:58

she was of course found guilty listen

39:03

Why did they need to to dismember him so

39:05

much? I? Mean

39:09

I guess that was their way of getting him they lived

39:12

in a little one-bedroom apartment in a busy part of town

39:14

So I guess to get him out of the apartment into

39:16

the car Huh,

39:20

I mean They're like

39:22

I don't know a Better

39:25

way to do it. Yeah, I mean I think a better way to

39:27

do it would be like get a gun Lure

39:30

him to the apartment or something. I don't know like

39:33

tie him up or something hold the gun to his head and

39:35

take him out to the woods I'm

39:39

sure there's ways to avoid I just it all

39:41

just should be avoided I don't know maybe we

39:43

shouldn't probably shouldn't go there people mad when I

39:45

do I know But I'm just

39:47

like my gosh like yeah, it is

39:50

so twisted. Yeah So

39:53

She was found guilty and sentenced

39:56

to life without parole. She

39:58

is serving her life sentence at

40:00

Tuttweiler prison. It

40:02

is a maximum minimum

40:05

security facility. It

40:07

doesn't seem that terrible. They

40:09

have a cosmetology program and

40:12

an automotive program. They

40:14

also- Cosmetology, they could do hair and makeup.

40:17

I mean, gosh, like-

40:19

Yeah, it is so twisted, yeah. So

40:24

she was found guilty and

40:26

sentenced to life without parole. She

40:28

is serving her life sentence

40:30

at Tuttweiler prison. It

40:33

is a maximum minimum

40:35

security facility. It

40:37

doesn't seem that terrible. They

40:40

have a cosmetology program and

40:42

an automotive program. Cosmetology,

40:45

they could do hair and makeup. I

40:47

mean, that sounds

40:50

awesome. That doesn't suck, right? They

40:53

also have something I have never

40:55

seen on a prison website, and

40:57

that is you can order prison

40:59

approved shoes for your locked up

41:01

loved one from a special catalog.

41:03

Okay. And have them

41:05

direct shipped. Wow. Just

41:10

that's new to me. So from

41:12

her latest mug shot, she looks about

41:15

the same. She

41:17

is not unattractive. Oh, she's

41:19

attractive? She's

41:22

not unattractive. She's in the cosmetology school

41:24

of prison. I don't think she's in

41:27

the cosmetology program, but

41:32

she's got long brown hair. She

41:34

is fit. I

41:40

mean, she clearly has not been using

41:42

five crimes. So I'm not gonna say

41:44

she's like a stellar beauty. She's not

41:47

glowing. Okay, no. Does

41:49

not have a steady skin regimen. And

41:51

you know, years of drugs can take

41:53

a toll. Yeah. So

41:56

I think under the circumstances, she is not

41:58

unattractive. That is what I'm saying. I

42:00

bet you she's still doing drugs in the clink.

42:03

Maybe. I hear they're pretty easy to get. I

42:06

could not believe how easy they are to

42:08

get. I mean, it is. I

42:12

was talking to one officer, this guy

42:14

like OD'd in the clink. I'm like,

42:17

you're getting that much? Oh,

42:20

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

42:23

Well, I think they have. I believe

42:25

they've stopped looking for Justin's remains. I mean,

42:27

it's been way too long. It's

42:31

so sad, but that they were not able to find them.

42:34

I hope they do have some peace in the

42:37

way that, you know, justice

42:39

was finally served. But, you

42:41

know, when someone so young's life is taken

42:43

so tragically, you just don't. You

42:45

don't ever get over that. Right. I

42:48

know it really like stunted his whole

42:50

group of friends to have this person

42:53

that they loved so much just vanish.

42:57

Yeah. So

42:59

I wonder if you ever feel like, you know, what

43:01

happened? These people said would happen.

43:05

But because you never have your loved

43:07

ones remains, is there always like this

43:09

little bit of like question? Yeah, I

43:12

think so. I

43:17

think I would. I think I would

43:19

always just question. I think I would

43:21

probably. Yeah. Always go back. Yeah.

43:26

Well, that is a terribly

43:28

tragic end of

43:30

a life and a very stupid. OK,

43:33

wait, wait, sorry. Can you go back for one

43:35

second? What happened to the brother? He

43:38

was never he was never charged with anything. Oh,

43:40

he wasn't. OK, well, you know what?

43:43

I I think that is

43:45

probably. I

43:47

think that's probably the right. I think that's the right decision. Also, I do think

43:49

it's the right. It was

43:51

clear he wasn't involved in it. And

43:54

I think that it is also by not

43:56

prosecuting him. It is encouraging

43:59

to other people. You

44:01

know, I mean, it's not okay that it

44:03

took 20 years, but it's better than taking

44:05

forever for his family to get some kind

44:07

of, you know, answers. So, you

44:09

know, thankfully he, he did

44:12

get it off his chest. Yeah. You

44:15

know, we, um, when we go

44:17

to crime con, we get so

44:20

many people reaching out to us about

44:22

their loved ones that are missing. And

44:24

a lot of them are around Justin's

44:27

age, right? Like, most of

44:29

them are, and they're young men like

44:31

that. And

44:35

their families are just, I mean,

44:37

they're in desperate

44:39

need of finding their loved

44:41

one. And I

44:43

don't know, it just, it's such a, it's

44:46

so sad to me. So I can, I

44:48

feel so sorry for this group of Justin's,

44:50

you know, family and friends, because, you know,

44:52

those people at crime con, they, there is,

44:54

it's, I know you just want to feel

44:56

like you're doing something and we have social

44:58

media now, you know, we, you can have a

45:00

platform, you can, you can go to crime con,

45:03

you can spread the word. There are so

45:05

many more ways that you can keep

45:07

momentum going. Yeah. And

45:11

back in 1995, they didn't have any of that. Right. I

45:14

don't think they'll ever find him, but I'm

45:16

glad that they got some justice. I hope

45:18

all these other men and women that are

45:20

missing somehow, maybe

45:22

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45:25

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45:28

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