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in to President Joe Biden and

1:11

former President Donald Trump in the first

1:14

presidential debate of 2024. Welcome

1:17

to the general election. Good

1:26

evening. I'm Dana Bash, anchor of CNN's

1:28

Inside Politics and co-anchor of State of

1:30

the Union. I'm Jake Taffer, anchor

1:32

of CNN's the lead and co-anchor

1:35

of State of the Union. Dana and

1:37

I will co-moderate this evening. Our job

1:39

is to facilitate a debate between

1:41

the two candidates tonight. Before

1:43

we introduce them, we want to share the rules of

1:45

the debate with the audience at home. Former

1:48

President Trump will be on the left

1:50

side of the screen. President Biden will

1:52

be appearing on the right. A coin

1:54

toss determined their positions. Each

1:56

candidate will have two minutes to answer

1:58

a question and one minute. a minute

2:00

each for responses and rebuttals. An

2:03

additional minute for follow-up clarification

2:05

or response is at the

2:07

moderator's discretion. When

2:09

it's time for a candidate to speak,

2:11

his microphone will be turned on and

2:13

his opponent's microphone will be turned off.

2:16

Should a candidate interrupt when his microphone

2:19

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2:21

understand for viewers at home. At

2:24

the end of the debate, each

2:26

candidate will get two minutes for closing

2:28

statements. There is no studio audience tonight.

2:30

Free written notes, props, or contact with

2:33

campaign staff are not permitted during the

2:35

debate. By accepting our

2:37

invitation to debate both candidates

2:39

and their campaigns, agreed to

2:42

accept these rules. Now,

2:44

please welcome the 46th President of

2:46

the United States, Joe Biden. Thanks

2:50

for having me. Thank

2:52

you. Thank you. And

2:56

please welcome the 45th President of the United

2:58

States, Donald Trump. Gentlemen,

3:13

thanks so much for being here. Let's begin the debate

3:15

and let's start with the issue that voters consistently say

3:17

is the right thing to do. Let's

3:19

start with the issue that voters consistently say

3:22

is their top concern the

3:24

economy. President Biden, inflation

3:26

has slowed, but prices remain

3:28

high. Since you took

3:30

office, the price of essentials has increased.

3:32

For example, a basket of groceries that

3:34

cost $100 then now

3:37

costs more than $120. And

3:40

typical home prices have jumped more than 30%. What

3:43

do you say to voters who feel they are

3:45

worse off under your presidency than they were under

3:47

President Trump? We've got to take

3:49

a look at what I was left when I became president and what

3:52

Mr. Trump left me. We had an

3:54

economy that was in free fall. The pandemic

3:56

was so badly handled. Many people were dying

3:58

all year. said was it's

4:00

not that serious, just inject a little bleach into

4:02

your arm. You'll be all right. The

4:05

economy collapsed. There were no jobs. Unemployment

4:07

rate rose to 15 percent. It was

4:09

terrible. And so what we had to

4:11

do is try to put things back

4:13

together again. That's exactly what we

4:15

began to do. We created 15,000 new

4:17

jobs. We brought

4:19

out another position where we have 800,000

4:21

new manufacturing jobs. But there's more to

4:24

be done. There's more to be

4:26

done. Working class people are still in trouble. I

4:28

come from Scranton, Pennsylvania. I come from a household

4:30

where the kitchen table, if the things weren't able

4:32

to be met during the month, it was a

4:34

problem. Price of eggs, the price of

4:36

gas, the price of housing, the price of a whole range

4:38

of things. That's why I'm working so hard to

4:40

make sure I deal with those problems,

4:43

that we're going to make sure that we reduce

4:45

the price of housing. We're going to make sure

4:47

we build two million new units. We're going to

4:49

make sure we cap rents so corporate greed can't

4:51

take over. The combination, what I was left with

4:53

in corporate greed, is the reason why we're in

4:56

this problem right now. In addition

4:58

to that, we're in a situation where if

5:00

you had to take a look at all that was done

5:02

in his administration, he didn't do much

5:04

at all. By the time he left, there

5:06

were things that were in chaos, literally

5:09

chaos. We put things

5:11

back together. We created, I said, those jobs. We

5:13

make sure we had a situation where we now

5:16

brought down the price of prescription drugs, which is

5:18

a major issue for many people. If

5:20

they're $15 for an

5:23

insulin shot, as opposed to $400. No

5:26

senior has to pay more than $200 for

5:28

all the drugs they could include

5:31

beginning next year. In

5:33

a situation, we're going to make that available

5:35

to everybody, to all Americans. We're

5:37

working to bring down the price of it around the kitchen

5:39

table, and that's what we're going to get done. Thank

5:42

you. President Trump? We had

5:44

the greatest economy in the history of our country. We

5:47

have never done so well. Everybody

5:51

was amazed by it. Other countries were copying us.

5:53

We got hit with COVID. When

5:56

we did, we spent the money necessary so we

5:58

wouldn't end up in a great depression, the likes

6:00

of which we had in 1929. By

6:03

the time we finished, so we did a great job. We got

6:06

a lot of credit for the economy, a lot of credit for

6:08

the military, and no wars, and so

6:10

many other things. Everything was rocking good. But

6:12

the thing we never got the credit for,

6:14

and we should have, is getting us out

6:16

of that COVID mess. He

6:18

created mandates. That was a disaster for

6:20

our country. But other than that, we

6:23

had given them back a country

6:25

where the stock market actually was higher

6:28

than pre-COVID, and nobody thought that was

6:30

even possible. The only jobs

6:32

he created are for illegal immigrants and bounce-back

6:34

jobs, a bounce-back from the COVID. He has

6:37

not done a good job. He's done a

6:39

poor job in inflation, killing our country. It

6:41

is absolutely killing us. Thank

6:44

you. President Biden? Look, the

6:46

greatest economy in the world. He's the only one who thinks

6:48

that, I think. I don't know anybody else who thinks he's a

6:50

great head, the greatest economy in the world. And,

6:52

you know, the fact of the matter is that

6:55

we pride ourselves in a situation where

6:58

his economy, he rewarded

7:00

the wealthy. He had the largest tax cut in

7:02

American history, $2 trillion. He raised a deficit

7:05

larger than any president has in any one

7:07

term. He's the only president other

7:10

than Herbert Hoover who's lost more jobs than

7:12

he had when he began, since Herbert Hoover.

7:15

The idea that he did something that was

7:17

significant in the military, you know, when he

7:19

was president, there was still killing people in

7:21

Afghanistan. He didn't do anything about that. When

7:24

he was president, we still find ourselves in

7:26

a position where you had

7:28

a notion that we were

7:30

this safe country. Truth

7:32

is, I'm the only president this

7:34

century that doesn't have any, this

7:37

decade, that done any troops dying anywhere

7:39

in the world like he did. President

7:43

Trump, I want to follow up if I can. You want to

7:45

respond to him? Well, I'm going to ask you a follow up.

7:47

You can do whatever you want with the minute that we give

7:49

you. I want to follow up.

7:51

You want to impose a 10% tariff on all

7:53

goods coming into the U.S. How

7:56

will you ensure that that doesn't drive prices even higher?

7:58

It's not going to drive them higher. going

8:00

to cause countries that have been ripping us off

8:02

for years like China and many others in all

8:04

fairness to China, it's going to just force them

8:07

to pay us a lot of money, reduce our

8:09

deficit tremendously, and give us a lot of power

8:11

for other things. But he made a statement. The

8:13

only thing he was right about is I gave

8:16

you the largest tax cut in history. I also

8:18

gave you the largest regulation cut in history. That's

8:20

why we had all the jobs. And the jobs

8:22

went down, and then they bounced back. And he's

8:24

taking credit for bounced-back jobs. You can't do that.

8:27

He also said he inherited 9% inflation. No,

8:30

he inherited almost no inflation, and it stayed

8:32

that way for 14 months. And

8:35

then it blew up under his leadership because they

8:37

spent money like a bunch of people

8:39

that didn't know what they were doing. And they don't

8:41

know what they were doing. It was the worst, probably

8:43

the worst administration in history. There's never been. And

8:46

as far as Afghanistan is concerned, I

8:48

was getting out of Afghanistan, but we

8:50

were getting out with dignity, with strength,

8:52

with power. He got out.

8:55

It's the most embarrassing day in the history

8:57

of our country's life. President

8:59

Trump, over the last eight years, under

9:01

both of your administrations, the national debt

9:03

soared to record highs. And according to

9:06

a new nonpartisan analysis, President Trump, your

9:08

administration approved $8.4 trillion in

9:10

new debt, while so far President Biden, you've

9:12

approved $4.3 trillion in new debt.

9:16

So, former President Trump, many of the tax cuts

9:18

that you signed into law are set to expire

9:20

next year. You want to extend them and go

9:22

even further, you say. With the

9:25

U.S. facing trillion dollar deficits and record

9:27

debt, why should top earners and corporations

9:29

pay even less in taxes than they

9:31

do now? Because the tax cuts spurred

9:34

the greatest economy that we've ever seen

9:36

just prior to COVID. And

9:38

even after COVID, it was so strong that we were

9:40

able to get through COVID much better than just about

9:42

any other country. But we spurred that

9:44

tax, spurred. Now, when we cut the taxes,

9:46

as an example, the corporate tax was cut

9:49

down to 21 percent from

9:51

39 percent, plus beyond that.

9:54

We took in more revenue with much less

9:56

tax, and companies were bringing back trillions of

9:58

dollars back into our country. country. The country

10:00

was going like never before. And we were

10:03

ready to start paying down debt. We're ready

10:05

to start using the liquid gold right under

10:07

our feet, the oil and gas right under

10:09

our feet. We were going to have something

10:12

that nobody else has had. We got hit

10:14

with COVID. We did a lot to fix

10:16

it. I gave him an unbelievable situation with

10:18

all of the therapeutics and all of the

10:21

things that we came up with. We

10:24

gave him something great. Remember, more

10:26

people died under his administration,

10:28

even though we had largely fixed it.

10:30

More people died under his administration than

10:32

our administration. And we were right in

10:34

the middle of it, something which a

10:37

lot of people don't like to talk

10:39

about. But he had far more people

10:41

dying in his administration. He did the

10:43

mandate, which is a disaster mandating it.

10:46

The vaccine went out. He did a mandate

10:48

on the vaccine, which is the thing that

10:50

people most objected to about the vaccine. And

10:52

he did a very poor job, just a very poor

10:54

job. And I will tell you,

10:57

not only poor there, but throughout the

10:59

entire world, we're no longer respected as

11:01

a country. They don't respect our leadership.

11:03

They don't respect the United States anymore.

11:05

We're like a third world nation between

11:08

weaponization of his election, trying to go

11:10

after his political opponent, all

11:12

of the things he's done. We've become like

11:14

a third world nation. And it's a shame.

11:16

The damage he's done to our country, and

11:19

I'd love to ask him and will

11:21

why he allowed millions of people to

11:23

come in here from prisons, jails and

11:25

mental institutions to come into our country

11:27

and destroy our country. President

11:29

Trump, we will get to immigration later in this

11:32

block. President Biden, I want to give you an

11:34

opportunity to respond to this question about the national

11:36

debt. He had the largest national

11:38

debt of any president for your period. Number one,

11:41

number two, he got two trillion

11:43

dollar tax code benefited the very wealthy. I

11:46

went, I'm going to do is fix the taxes. And

11:48

for example, we have a thousand

11:51

trillionaires in America, I mean, billionaires in

11:53

America. And what's happening there in a

11:55

situation where they in fact pay eight

11:57

point two percent in taxes. paid

12:00

24%, 25%, either one of those numbers. They

12:04

raised $500 million, billion, I should say, in

12:08

a 10-year period. We'd be able

12:10

to wipe out his debt. We'd be able

12:12

to help make sure that all those things

12:14

we need to do, child care, elder care,

12:16

making sure that we continue to strengthen our

12:18

health care system, making sure that we're able

12:21

to make every single solitary person eligible

12:24

for what I've been able to do with

12:26

the COVID. Excuse

12:28

me, with dealing with

12:31

everything we have to do with, look,

12:36

if we finally

12:38

beat Medicare. Thank you, President

12:41

Biden. President Trump? He

12:43

was right. He did beat Medicare. He beat it

12:45

to death, and he's destroying Medicare. Because

12:47

all of these people are coming in.

12:49

They're putting them on Medicare. They're putting

12:52

them on Social Security. They're going to

12:54

destroy Social Security. This man is going

12:56

to single-handedly destroy Social Security. These millions

12:58

and millions of people coming in, they're

13:00

trying to put them on Social Security.

13:03

He will wipe out Social

13:05

Security. He will wipe out Medicare. So he

13:07

was right in the way he finished that

13:09

sentence. And it's a shame. What's happened to

13:11

our country in the last

13:13

four years is not to be believed.

13:15

Foreign countries, I'm friends with a lot

13:17

of people, they cannot believe what happened

13:20

to the United States of America. We're

13:22

no longer respected. They

13:24

don't like us. We give them everything

13:26

they want, and they think we're stupid.

13:28

They think we're very stupid people. What

13:30

we're doing for other countries, and they

13:32

do nothing for us, what this man

13:34

has done is absolutely

13:36

criminal. Thank you,

13:39

President Trump. Dana? This is the

13:41

first presidential election since the Supreme

13:43

Court overturned Roe v. Wade. This

13:46

morning, the court ruled on

13:48

yet another abortion case, temporarily

13:50

allowing emergency abortions to continue

13:52

in Idaho, despite that

13:55

state's restrictive ban. Former President

13:57

Trump, you take credit

13:59

for the decision. to overturn Roe v.

14:01

Wade, which returned the issue of abortion

14:03

to the states. Correct.

14:06

However, the federal government still plays

14:08

a role in whether or not

14:10

women have access to abortion pills.

14:13

They're used in about two thirds

14:15

of all abortions. As

14:18

president, would you block abortion

14:20

medication? First of all,

14:22

the Supreme Court just approved the abortion pill.

14:25

And I agree with their decision to have done that.

14:27

And I will not block it. And

14:30

if you look at this whole question that

14:32

you're asking, a complex but

14:34

not really complex. 51 years

14:36

ago, you had Roe v.

14:38

Wade and everybody wanted to get

14:40

it back to the states. Everybody

14:42

without exception, Democrats, Republicans, liberals, conservatives,

14:45

everybody wanted it back, religious leaders. And

14:48

what I did is I put three

14:50

great Supreme Court justices on the court

14:52

and they happened to vote in favor

14:54

of killing Roe v. Wade and moving

14:56

it back to the states. This is

14:58

something that everybody wanted. Now, 10

15:01

years ago or so, they started talking about

15:03

how many weeks and how many this getting

15:05

into other things. But every legal scholar throughout

15:08

the world, the most respected, wanted it brought back

15:10

to the states. I did that. Now the states

15:12

are working it out. If you look at Ohio,

15:14

it was a decision that was it was an

15:17

end result. It was a little bit more liberal

15:19

than you would have thought. Kansas,

15:21

I would say the same thing. Texas

15:23

is different. Florida is different. But they're

15:25

all making their own decisions right now.

15:27

And right now, the states control it.

15:30

That's the vote of the people. Like

15:32

Ronald Reagan, I believe in the exceptions.

15:35

I am a person that believes. And

15:37

frankly, I think it's important to believe in the exceptions.

15:39

Some people you have to follow your heart. Some people

15:42

don't believe in that. But I

15:44

believe in the exceptions for rape

15:46

incest and the life of the mother. I

15:48

think it's very important. Some people

15:50

don't follow your heart, but you have to get

15:52

elected also. And because that has to

15:54

do with other things, you got to get elected. The

15:57

problem they have is they're radical because they

15:59

will. back

18:00

to the vote of the people, which is what

18:02

everybody wanted, including the founders if

18:04

they knew about this issue, which, frankly,

18:06

they didn't. But they would have

18:08

— everybody wanted it brought back. Ronald Reagan wanted

18:11

it brought back. He wasn't able to get it.

18:14

Everybody wanted it brought back. And many presidents

18:16

had tried to get it back. I

18:19

was the one to do it. And again, this

18:21

gives it the vote of the people, and that's

18:23

where they wanted it. Every legal scholar wanted it

18:25

that way. Depending on

18:27

the topic of abortion, President Biden, seven

18:29

states — I'll let you do that. This

18:33

is the same topic — seven states

18:35

have no legal restrictions on how far

18:37

into a pregnancy a woman can obtain

18:39

an abortion. Do you support

18:42

any legal limits on how late a

18:44

woman should be able to terminate a

18:46

pregnancy? I supported Roe v. Wade, which

18:48

had three semesters. The first time is

18:51

between the woman and the doctor. Second

18:53

time is between the doctor and an

18:55

extreme situation. The third time is between

18:57

the doctor — I mean, between the

19:00

woman and the state. The

19:02

idea that the politicians — that the

19:04

founders wanted the politicians to be the

19:06

ones making decisions about women's health is

19:08

ridiculous. That's the last. No politician should

19:10

be making that decision. A doctor should

19:12

be making those decisions. That's how it

19:14

should be run. That's what you're

19:16

going to do. And if I'm elected, I'm going to restore

19:19

Roe v. Wade. So that

19:21

means he can take the life of the

19:23

baby in the ninth month and

19:25

even after birth, because some states,

19:27

Democrat-run, take it after birth. Again,

19:29

the governor, former governor of Virginia, put

19:32

the baby down, then we decide what to

19:34

do with it. So he's willing to, as

19:36

we say, rip the baby out of the

19:38

womb in the ninth month and kill the

19:40

baby. Nobody wants that to

19:42

happen. Democrat or Republican, nobody wants it

19:44

to happen. That

19:47

is simply not true. Roe v. Wade

19:49

does not provide for that. That's not

19:51

the circumstance. Only a woman's life is

19:54

in danger. She's going to die. That's

19:56

the only circumstance when that can happen.

19:58

But we are not for late-term abortion.

20:00

period, period, period. Under Roe

20:02

v. Wade, you have late term abortion. You can

20:04

do whatever you want, depending on the state. You

20:07

can do whatever you want. We

20:09

don't think that's a good thing. We think

20:11

it's a radical thing. We think the Democrats

20:13

are the radicals, not the Republicans. For 51

20:15

years, that was the law. 51

20:17

years, Constance of Scholarship said it was the right way to

20:19

go. 51 years, and

20:21

it was taken away because this guy put

20:23

very conservative members on the Supreme Court. He

20:26

takes credit for taking it away. What's he going to do?

20:29

In fact, if the MAGA

20:31

Republicans, he gets elected and the MAGA

20:34

Republicans control the Congress and they pass

20:36

on the universal ban on abortion, period,

20:38

across the board at six weeks or

20:40

seven or eight or 10 weeks, something

20:43

very, very conservative. Is he

20:45

going to sign that bill? I'll veto it.

20:47

He'll sign it. Thank you. Let's

20:49

turn now to the issue of immigration and

20:51

border security. President Biden, a record number of

20:54

migrants have illegally crossed the southern border on

20:56

your watch. Overwhelming border states

20:58

and overburdening cities such as New York

21:00

and Chicago, and in some cases, causing

21:02

real safety and security concerns. Given

21:05

that, why should voters trust you to solve

21:07

this crisis? Because we worked very

21:09

hard to get a bipartisan agreement that not

21:12

only changed all of that, made

21:14

sure that we are in a situation

21:16

where you had no circumstance where they

21:19

could come across the border with the

21:21

number of border police there are now.

21:23

We significantly increased the number of asylum

21:25

officers. Significantly, by the way, the border

21:28

patrol endorsed me, endorsed my position. In

21:30

addition to that, we found ourselves in

21:32

a situation where when he was president,

21:35

he was taking, separating babies from their

21:37

mothers, putting them in cages, making sure

21:39

the families were separated. That's

21:41

not the right way to go. What I've done

21:44

since I've changed the law, what's happened. I've

21:46

changed it in a way that now you're

21:48

in a situation where there are 40% fewer

21:50

people coming across the

21:53

border illegally. It's better when he left office.

21:55

And I'm going to continue to move until we get the total

21:58

ban on the... the

22:01

total initiative relative to what we're

22:03

going to do with more border

22:05

patrol and more asylum officers. President

22:07

Trump? I really don't know what he said

22:09

at the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows what

22:12

he said either. Look, we had

22:14

the safest border in the history of our country. All he

22:16

had to do was leave it. All he had to do

22:18

was leave it. He decided to open

22:20

up our border, open up our country to

22:23

people that are from prisons,

22:26

people that are from mental institutions, insane asylum.

22:28

Terrorists. We have the largest number of terrorists

22:31

coming into our country right now. All terrorists,

22:33

all over the world, not just in South

22:35

America, all over the world. They come from

22:37

the Middle East everywhere, all over the world.

22:40

They're pouring in. And this

22:42

guy just left it open. And he didn't

22:44

need legislation because I didn't have legislation. I

22:46

said, close the border. We had the safest

22:48

border in history. In that final couple of

22:51

months of my presidency, we had, according to

22:53

border patrol, who is great, and by the

22:55

way, who endorsed me for president, but I

22:57

won't say that, but they endorsed me for

23:00

president. Brandon, just speak to

23:02

him. But look, we had the safest

23:04

border in history. Now we have the

23:06

worst border in history. There's never been

23:08

anything like it. And people are dying

23:10

all over the place, including the people

23:12

that are coming up in the caravans.

23:14

Thank you, President Trump. President Biden? The

23:16

only terrorist who's done anything across the

23:18

border is one who came along and

23:20

killed three under his administration, killed an

23:22

Al Qaeda person coming in, and his

23:25

administration, killed three American soldiers,

23:27

killed three American soldiers. That's the

23:29

only terrorist that they're... I'm not saying

23:31

no terrorist ever got through with

23:33

the idea they're emptying their prisons. We're

23:35

welcoming these people. That's simply not true.

23:38

There's no data to support what he

23:40

said. Once again, he's exaggerating. He's

23:42

lying. President Trump,

23:44

staying on the topic of immigration, you've

23:46

said that you're going to carry out,

23:49

quote, the largest domestic deportation operation in

23:51

American history, unquote. Does that mean that

23:53

you will deport every undocumented immigrant in

23:55

America, including those who have jobs, including

23:57

those whose spouses are... citizens, including those

24:00

who have lived here for decades. And

24:02

if so, how will you do it?

24:05

Just one second. He said we killed three people.

24:08

The people we killed are Al-Baghdadi

24:11

and Salaamani, the two greatest terrorists, biggest

24:13

terrorists anywhere in the world. And it

24:15

had a huge impact on everything, not

24:17

just border, on everything. He's

24:19

the one to kill people with the bad water, including

24:22

hundreds of thousands of people dying,

24:24

and also killing our citizens when

24:27

they come in. We

24:29

are living right now in a rat's

24:31

nest. They're killing our people in New

24:33

York, in California, and every state in

24:35

the union, because we don't have borders

24:37

anymore. Every state is now a border.

24:40

And because of his ridiculous, insane, and

24:42

very stupid policies, people are coming in

24:45

and they're killing our citizens at a

24:47

level that we've never seen. We call

24:49

it migrant crime. I call it Biden

24:51

migrant crime. They're killing our citizens at

24:54

a level that we've never seen before.

24:56

And you're reading it like these three

24:58

incredible young girls over the last few

25:01

days. One of them, I just

25:03

spoke to the mother. And he

25:05

just had the funeral for this girl, 12 years

25:07

old. This is horrible what's taken place,

25:10

what's taken place in our country. We're

25:12

literally an uncivilized country

25:15

now. He doesn't want it to

25:17

be. He just doesn't know. He opened the borders

25:19

nobody's ever seen anything like. And we have to

25:21

get a lot of these people out, and we

25:24

have to get them out fast, because they're going

25:26

to destroy our country. Just take a look at

25:28

where they're living. They're living in luxury hotels in

25:31

New York City and other places. Our

25:33

veterans are on the street. They're dying, because he

25:35

doesn't care about our veterans. He doesn't care. He

25:37

doesn't like the military at all. And

25:39

he doesn't care about our veterans. Nobody been

25:41

worse. I had the highest approval rating for

25:43

veterans taking care of the VA. He

25:46

is the worst. He's gotten rid of all the

25:48

things that I approved. Choice that I got through

25:50

Congress, all of the different things

25:52

I approved, they abandoned. We had by

25:54

far the highest, and now it's down in

25:56

less than half, because he's done

25:59

all these great things. that we did. And I

26:01

think he did it just because I approved it,

26:03

which is crazy. But he has killed so many

26:05

people at our border by all of these people

26:07

to come in. President Biden,

26:10

you have the mic. Every single thing

26:12

he said is a lie. Every single

26:14

one. For example, veterans are a hell of

26:16

a lot better off since I passed the

26:18

PAC DAC. One million of them

26:20

now have insurance and their families have it.

26:23

Their families have it because what happened, whether

26:25

it was Agent Orange or burn pits,

26:28

they're all being covered now. And

26:30

his group opposed that. We're also

26:32

in a situation where we have great respect

26:34

for veterans. My son spent a year in

26:36

Iraq leaving one of the next

26:39

to one of those burn pits, came back with

26:41

stage four glioblastoma. I was recently in France

26:45

for D-Day, and I

26:47

spoke all about those heroes that died. I went

26:49

to the World War II cemetery, World War I

26:51

cemetery he refused to go to. He was standing

26:53

with his four-star general, and he told me, he

26:56

said, I don't want to go in there because

26:58

they're a bunch of losers and suckers. My son

27:00

was not a loser, was not a sucker. You're

27:02

the sucker. You're the loser. President

27:06

Trump? First of all, that was a made-up quote.

27:08

Suckers and losers. They made it up. It was

27:10

in a third-rate magazine that's failing like many of

27:12

these magazines. He made that up.

27:14

He put it in commercials. We've notified them.

27:16

We had 19 people that said

27:19

I didn't say it. And think of this,

27:21

who would say, I'm at a cemetery or

27:23

I'm talking about our veterans because nobody's taken

27:25

better care. I'm so glad this came up,

27:27

and he brought it up. There's

27:29

nobody that's taken better care of our soldiers than

27:32

I have. To think that I

27:34

would, in front of generals and others, say

27:36

suckers and losers. We have 19 people that

27:39

said it was never said by me. It

27:42

was made up by him, just like Russia, Russia,

27:44

Russia was made up. Just like the 51 intelligence

27:47

agents are made up. Just

27:49

like the new thing with the 16 economists are

27:51

talking, it's the same thing. 51 intelligence

27:54

agents said that the

27:56

laptop was Russia disinformation. It

27:58

wasn't. That came from Russia. from his son, Hunter.

28:01

It wasn't Russia disinformation. He made up

28:03

the suckers and losers, so he should

28:06

apologize to me right now. Four-star

28:08

general standing to your side was on

28:11

your staff who said you said it,

28:13

period. That's number one. And

28:15

number two, the idea, the idea that I

28:17

have to apologize to you for anything along

28:19

the line. We've done more for veterans than

28:21

any president has in American history. American

28:24

history, and they now are in their family. The

28:26

only sacred obligation we have as a country is

28:28

to care for our veterans when they come home

28:31

and their families and equip them when they go

28:33

to war. That's what we're doing.

28:35

That's what the VA is doing now. They're

28:37

doing more for veterans than ever before in

28:39

our history. All right, thank you so

28:41

much. Let's move to the topic of foreign policy.

28:43

I want to begin with Russia's war against

28:46

Ukraine, which is now in its third

28:48

year. Former President

28:50

Trump, Russian President Vladimir Putin

28:52

says he'll only end this

28:54

war. If Russia keeps

28:56

the Ukrainian territory, it is already

28:58

claimed, and Ukraine abandons

29:01

its bid to join NATO.

29:04

Are Putin's terms acceptable to you? First

29:06

of all, our veterans

29:08

and our soldiers can't stand this

29:10

guy. They can't stand him. They

29:12

think he's the worst commander in chief, if that's

29:14

what you call him, that we've

29:17

ever had. They can't stand him. So let's get

29:19

that straight. And they like me more

29:21

than just about any of them. And

29:23

that's based on every single bit of

29:25

information. As far as Russia

29:27

and Ukraine, if we had a

29:29

real president, the president that knew, that was

29:32

respected by Putin, he would

29:34

have never, he would have never invaded Ukraine. A

29:37

lot of people are dead right now, much more

29:39

than people know. You know, they talk about numbers.

29:41

You can double those numbers, maybe triple those numbers.

29:44

He did nothing to stop it. In fact, I think

29:46

he encouraged Russia from going in. I'll

29:48

tell you what happened. He was so

29:50

bad with Afghanistan. It was such a

29:52

horrible, embarrassment, most embarrassing moment in the

29:54

history of our country that when Putin

29:56

watched that and he saw the incompetence,

29:58

that he should have fought for it.

30:00

those generals like I fired the one

30:02

that you mentioned and so he's got

30:04

no love loss but he should have

30:06

fired those generals. No general got fired

30:09

for the most embarrassing moment in the

30:11

history of our country, Afghanistan, where we

30:13

left billions of dollars of equipment behind.

30:15

We lost 13 beautiful soldiers

30:17

and 38 soldiers were obliterated

30:19

and by the way we left people

30:21

behind too. We left American citizens behind.

30:23

When Putin saw that he said you

30:26

know what I think we're going to

30:28

go in and maybe take my, this

30:30

is his dream. I talked to him

30:32

about his dream. The difference is he

30:34

never would have invaded Ukraine, never just

30:37

like Israel would have never been

30:39

invaded in a million

30:41

years by Hamas. You know why? Because

30:44

Iran was broke with me. I wouldn't let anybody

30:47

do business with them. They ran out of money,

30:49

they were broke, they had no money for Hamas,

30:51

they had no money for anything, no money for

30:53

terror. That's why you had no terror at all

30:56

during my administration. This place the whole

30:58

world is blowing up under him. President

31:02

Biden? I've never heard so

31:04

much malarkey in my whole life. Look, the fact of the

31:06

matter is that we're in a situation where, let's take the

31:09

last point first, Iran attacked

31:11

American troops, killed, caused

31:13

brain damage for a number of

31:16

these troops and he did nothing

31:18

about it. When he was president,

31:20

there they attacked. He said they're just having

31:22

headaches, that's all it is. He didn't do

31:24

a thing when the attack took place, number

31:27

one. Number two, we

31:29

got over a hundred thousand Americans

31:31

and others out of Afghanistan

31:33

during that airlift. Number three,

31:36

we found ourselves in a

31:38

situation where if you take

31:40

a look at what Trump did in Ukraine, this

31:43

guy told Ukraine, he told Trump, do

31:45

whatever you want and do whatever you

31:48

want and that's exactly what Trump

31:50

did to Putin, encourage him,

31:52

do whatever you want and he went in. Listen

31:54

to what he said when he went in. He

31:56

was going to take Kyiv in five days, remember,

31:58

because it's part of the old Soviet Union. Union.

32:00

That's what he wanted to reestablish. Kyiv.

32:03

And he, in fact, didn't do it at all. He didn't

32:05

want to be able to get it done. And

32:07

they've lost over. They've lost thousands and

32:09

thousands of troops, 500,000 troops. President

32:14

Trump, for one minute, I just

32:16

want to go back to my original

32:18

question, which is, are Putin's terms acceptable

32:20

to you, keeping the territory in Ukraine?

32:23

No, they're not acceptable. But

32:25

look, this is a war that never should

32:27

have started. If we had a leader in

32:29

this war, he led everybody along. He's

32:31

given $200 billion now or more to

32:35

Ukraine. He's given $200 billion. That's a

32:37

lot of money. I don't think there's ever been

32:39

anything like it. Every time that Zelensky

32:42

comes to this country, he walks away

32:44

with $60 billion. He's the greatest salesman

32:46

ever. And I'm not knocking him. I'm

32:48

not knocking anything. I'm only saying the

32:51

money that we're spending on this war,

32:53

and we shouldn't be spending. It should

32:55

have never happened. I will have that

32:57

war settled between Putin

33:00

and Zelensky as president-elect

33:02

before I take office on January 20th.

33:04

I'll have that war settled. People

33:06

being killed so needlessly, so stupidly,

33:08

and I will get it settled

33:10

and I'll get it settled fast

33:12

before I take office. You

33:15

know, why don't you have a minute? The

33:17

fact is that Putin is a war criminal. He's

33:20

killed thousands and thousands of

33:22

people. And he has made

33:24

one thing clear. He wants to

33:26

reestablish what was part of the Soviet empire,

33:28

not just a peace. He wants all of

33:31

Ukraine. That's what he wants. And then do

33:33

you think he'll stop there? Do you think

33:35

he'll stop when he—if he takes Ukraine? What

33:37

do you think happens to the Pole? What

33:39

do you think—Bela Ruth—what do you think happens

33:41

to those NATO countries? And so

33:44

if you want a war, you ought to find

33:46

out what he's going to do, because if in

33:48

fact he does what he says and walks away—and

33:50

by the way, all that money

33:52

we give Ukraine and from weapons we make

33:54

here in the United States, we give him

33:56

the weapons, not the money at this point.

33:59

And our NATO allies have— produced as much

34:02

funding for Ukraine as we have. That's

34:04

why we're strong. Thank

34:07

you. Moving on to the Middle East. In

34:09

October, Hamas attacked Israel, killing

34:12

more than a thousand people and taking

34:14

hundreds of hostages. Among those

34:16

held and thought to still be alive

34:19

are five Americans. Israel's

34:21

response has killed thousands of Palestinians

34:23

and created a humanitarian crisis in

34:25

Gaza. President Biden, you've

34:28

put forward a proposal to

34:30

resolve this conflict, but

34:32

so far Hamas has not released

34:35

the remaining hostages and Israel is

34:37

continuing its military offensive in Gaza.

34:40

So what additional leverage will you use

34:42

to get Hamas and Israel to end

34:45

the war? You have two minutes. Number

34:47

one, everyone from

34:49

the United Nations Security Council

34:53

straight through to the G7, to the Israelis

34:55

and Netanyahu himself have endorsed the plan they

34:57

put forward, endorsed the plan they

34:59

put forward, which has three stages to it. The

35:02

first stage is treating the

35:05

hostages for a ceasefire. Second

35:07

phase is a ceasefire with additional conditions.

35:10

The third phase is the

35:12

end of the war. The only one who wants

35:14

the war to continue is Hamas. Number

35:16

one, they're the only ones standing out. We're

35:19

still pushing hard to

35:21

get them to accept. In the meantime, what's

35:23

happened? In Israel, we're finding

35:25

the only thing I've denied Israel was

35:27

2,000-pound bombs. They

35:29

don't work very well in populated areas. They

35:32

kill a lot of innocent people. We're providing

35:34

Israel with all the weapons they need and

35:36

when they need them. And by the way,

35:38

I'm the guy that organized the world against

35:40

Iran when they had a full-blown intercontinental

35:43

ballistic missile attack on

35:45

Israel. No one was

35:47

hurt. No one Israeli was accidentally

35:49

killed, and it stopped.

35:52

We saved Israel. We are the

35:54

biggest producer of support for Israel

35:56

of anyone in the world. And

35:59

so they're two different. things. Hamas

36:01

cannot be allowed to be continued. We

36:03

continue to send our experts and our

36:05

intelligence people as to how they can

36:07

get Hamas like we did bin Laden.

36:10

You don't have to do it. And

36:12

by the way, they've been greatly weakened

36:14

Hamas, greatly weakened, and they should be.

36:16

They should be eliminated. But you've got

36:18

to be careful for what using certain

36:20

weapons among population centers. Just

36:25

going back to Ukraine for one second. We

36:27

have an ocean separating us. The

36:30

European nations together have

36:32

spent 100 billion or maybe

36:34

more than that less than us. Why

36:37

doesn't he call them? So you got to put

36:39

up your money like I did with NATO. I got

36:42

them to put up hundreds of billions of dollars.

36:44

The secretary general of NATO said Trump did the most

36:46

incredible job I've ever seen. You wouldn't they wouldn't

36:48

have any they were going out of business. We were

36:50

spending almost 100 percent of the money was

36:53

paid by us. He didn't

36:55

do that. He's getting all you got

36:57

to ask these people to put up the money. We're

36:59

over 100 billion dollars more spent and

37:01

it has a bigger impact on them because

37:04

of location because we have an ocean in between.

37:06

You got to ask them as far as Israel

37:10

and Hamas. Israel is the

37:13

one that wants to go. He said the only one

37:15

wants to keep going is Hamas. Actually, Israel is the

37:17

one and you should let him go and let him

37:19

finish the job. He doesn't want to do it. He's

37:21

become like a Palestinian but they don't

37:23

like him because he's a very bad Palestinian. He's a

37:25

weak one. President Biden,

37:27

you have a minute. I've never heard so much foolishness. This

37:29

is a guy who wants to get out of NATO. Are

37:32

you going to stay in NATO? Are you going

37:34

to pull out of NATO? The idea

37:36

that we have our strength lies

37:38

in our alliances as well. It

37:40

may be a big ocean but we're able

37:42

to avoid a war in Europe, a major

37:45

war in Europe. What happens if in fact

37:47

you have Putin continue to go into NATO?

37:49

We have an Article 5 agreement. Attack on

37:51

one is attack on all. You want to

37:53

start the nuclear war he keeps talking about?

37:55

Go ahead. Let Putin go in and control

37:58

Ukraine and then move on. move on to Poland

38:00

and other places, we see what

38:02

happens then. He has no idea what Kelly's

38:05

talking about. And by the way, I got

38:07

50 other nations around the world to support

38:09

Ukraine, including Japan and

38:11

South Korea, because they understand that

38:13

this kind of dislocation

38:15

has a serious threat to the whole

38:18

world peace. No major

38:20

war in Europe has ever been able to be contained

38:22

just to Europe. President

38:24

Trump, just to follow up, would you

38:26

support the creation of an independent Palestinian state

38:28

in order to achieve peace in the region?

38:30

I'd have to see. But before we do

38:32

that, the problem we have is

38:34

that we spend all the money. So

38:37

they kill us on trade. I made great

38:39

trade deals with the European nations, because

38:41

if you add them up, they're about the same

38:44

size economically. Their economy is about

38:46

the same size as the United States. And

38:48

they were written no cars. No, they don't

38:50

want anything that we have. But we're supposed

38:52

to take their cars, their food, their everything,

38:54

their agriculture. I changed that.

38:57

But the big thing I changed is they don't want to pay. And

39:00

the only reason that he can play

39:02

games with NATO is because I got

39:04

them to put up hundreds of billions

39:06

of dollars. I said, and he's

39:08

right about this. I said, no, I'm not going

39:10

to support NATO if you don't pay. They

39:13

asked me that question. Would you guard us

39:15

against Russia at a very secret meeting of

39:17

the 28 states

39:19

at that time, nations at that time? And I

39:21

said, no, if you don't pay, I won't

39:23

do that. And you know what happened? Billions

39:26

and billions of dollars came flowing in the

39:28

next day and the next months. But

39:31

now we're in the same position. We're

39:33

paying everybody's bills. Let's turn

39:35

to the issue of democracy. Former President

39:37

Trump, I want to ask you about January

39:39

6, 2021, after you rallied

39:41

your supporters that day, some of

39:43

them stormed the Capitol to stop

39:45

the constitutionally mandated counting of electoral

39:48

votes. As president, you swore

39:50

an oath to preserve, protect and defend the

39:52

Constitution. What do you say to voters who

39:54

believe that you violated that oath through your

39:56

actions and inaction on January 6? and worry

39:58

that you'll do it again. Well, I don't

40:00

think too many believe that. And let me

40:03

tell you about January 6th. On

40:05

January 6th, we had a great border.

40:08

Nobody coming through, very few. On

40:11

January 6th, we were energy independent. On

40:13

January 6th, we had the lowest taxes

40:15

ever. We had the lowest regulations ever.

40:17

On January 6th, we were respected all

40:19

over the world. All over

40:21

the world, we were respected. And then he

40:23

comes in and we're now left that. We're

40:25

like a bunch of stupid people. What

40:29

happened to the United States' reputation

40:31

under this man's leadership is

40:33

horrible, including weaponization, which I'm sure at some

40:36

point you'll be talking about, where he goes

40:38

after his political opponent because he can't beat

40:40

him fair and square. You

40:43

have 80 seconds left. My question was, what

40:45

do you say to those voters who believe

40:47

that you violated your constitutional oath through your

40:49

actions and an action on January 6th, 2021,

40:53

and worry that you'll do it again?

40:55

Well, I didn't say that to anybody.

40:57

I said peacefully and patriotically. And Nancy

40:59

Pelosi, if you just watched the news

41:01

from two days ago, on tape

41:03

to her daughter, who's a documentary

41:06

filmmaker, they say, but

41:08

she's saying, oh, no, it's my responsibility.

41:10

I was responsible for this because I

41:12

offered her 10,000 soldiers or

41:15

National Guard. And she turned them down.

41:17

And the mayor of In Writing, by

41:19

the way, the mayor in writing turned

41:21

it down, the mayor of D.C. They

41:24

turned it down. I offered 10,000 because I

41:26

could see I had virtually nothing to do.

41:28

They asked me to go make a speech.

41:31

I could see what was happening. Everybody was saying they're going

41:33

to be there on January 6th. They're going to be there.

41:35

And I said, you know what? That's a lot of people

41:38

coming. You could feel it. You could feel it too. And

41:40

you could feel it. And I said, they ought to have

41:42

some National Guard or whatever. And

41:45

I offered it to her. And she now

41:47

admits that she turned it down. And it

41:49

was the same day she was, I don't

41:51

know, he can't be very happy with her

41:53

daughter because it made her into a liar.

41:56

She said, I take full responsibility for January

41:58

6th. President Biden?

42:01

Look, he encouraged those folks

42:03

to go up on Capitol Hill, number one. I

42:06

sat in the dining room off the Oval Office. He

42:08

sat there for three hours, three

42:11

hours watching, begging, being begged

42:13

by his vice president and a number

42:15

of his colleagues on the Republican side

42:17

as well to do something, to call

42:19

for a stop, to end it. Instead,

42:21

they've talked about these people being patriots

42:23

and great patrons of

42:25

America. In fact, he says he'll not

42:27

forgive them for what they've done. They've

42:31

been convicted. He says he wants to commute

42:33

their sentences and say that,

42:35

no. He went to every

42:37

single court in the nation. I don't know

42:40

how many cases, scores of

42:42

cases, including the Supreme Court. And

42:44

they said, they said, no, no,

42:46

this guy is responsible for

42:48

doing what is being done. He did

42:50

do a damn thing. And

42:52

these people should be in jail. And they

42:55

should be the ones who are being held

42:57

accountable. And he wants to let them all

42:59

out. And now he says if he loses

43:01

again, such a whiner that he is, that

43:03

it could be a bloodbath. Thank you, President

43:05

Biden. President Trump? What they've done

43:07

to some people that are so innocent, you

43:10

ought to be ashamed of yourself. What you have

43:12

done, how you've destroyed the lives of so many

43:14

people when they rip down

43:16

Portland, when they rip down many

43:20

other cities, you go to Minnesota,

43:22

Minneapolis, what they've done there with

43:24

the fires all over the city. If I didn't bring

43:27

in the National Guard, that city would have been destroyed.

43:29

When you look at all of the they

43:32

took over big chunks of Seattle, I was all

43:34

set to bring in the National Guard. They heard

43:36

that they saw them coming and they left immediately.

43:39

What he said about this whole

43:42

subject is so off peacefully patriotic.

43:44

One other thing, the

43:47

Unselect Committee, which is basically

43:49

two horrible Republicans that are all

43:52

gone now out of office and

43:54

Democrats, all Democrats, they destroyed and deleted

43:57

all of the information they found. because

43:59

they found out we were right. We

44:02

were right. And they deleted and destroyed all of the

44:04

information. They should go to jail for that. If a

44:06

Republican did that, they'd go to jail. Thank you, President

44:08

Trump. President Biden, I want to give you a minute.

44:11

The only person in this stage is a convicted felon,

44:13

is the man I'm looking at right now. And

44:16

the fact of the matter is, he isn't, what

44:18

he's telling you is simply not true. The

44:21

fact is that there was no effort

44:23

on his part to stop what was

44:25

going on up in Capitol Hill. And

44:27

all those people, every one of those

44:29

who are convicted, deserves to be convicted.

44:31

The idea that they didn't kill somebody

44:33

just went in and broke down doors,

44:35

broke the windows, occupied

44:38

offices, turned over desks, turned

44:40

them over statues. The idea that

44:43

those people are patriots? Come

44:45

on. When I asked him the first

44:47

two debates we had, the debates we had the

44:49

first time around, I said, will

44:51

you denounce the Proud Boys? He said,

44:54

no, I'll tell them to stand by. The

44:56

idea he's refusing, will you denounce

44:58

these guys? Will you denounce

45:00

the people we're talking about now? Will you

45:02

denounce the people who attacked that Capitol? What

45:05

are you going to do? I'm

45:08

going to give you a minute, President

45:10

Trump, for a follow-up question I have.

45:13

After a jury convicted you of 34 felonies

45:16

last month, you said if reelected, you would,

45:19

have every right to go after, your

45:21

political opponents. You just talked about members of

45:23

the Select Committee on January 6 going to

45:25

jail. Your main political opponent is standing on

45:27

stage with you tonight. Can you clarify exactly

45:30

what it means about you feeling you have

45:32

every right to go after your political opponents?

45:34

Well, I said my retribution is going to

45:36

be success. We're going to make this country

45:38

successful again, because right now it's a failing

45:40

nation. My retribution is going to

45:43

be success. But when he talks about

45:45

a convicted felon, his son is a convicted felon

45:48

at a very high level. His son is

45:50

convicted, going to be convicted probably numerous other

45:52

times. He should have been convicted before, but

45:54

his Justice Department let the statute of limitations

45:56

lapse on the most important things. But he

45:58

could be a convicted felon as soon as

46:00

he gets out of office. Joe could be

46:03

a convicted felon with all of the things

46:05

that he's done. He's done horrible things. All

46:07

of the death calls at the border, telling

46:10

the Ukrainian people that we're going to want

46:12

a billion dollars or you change the prosecutor.

46:14

Otherwise, you're not getting a billion dollars. If

46:17

I ever said that, that's

46:19

quid pro quo. That we're

46:21

not going to do anything. We're not going

46:23

to give you a billion dollars unless you

46:25

change your prosecutor having to do with the

46:27

son. This man is a criminal. This man,

46:29

you're lucky. You're lucky. I did nothing wrong.

46:31

We'd have a system that was rigged and

46:33

disgusting. I did nothing wrong. Thank you, President

46:35

Trump. President Biden, you have said, I'm coming

46:38

right to you, sir. You

46:40

want to respond? Go ahead. I'll give you a minute to respond. The

46:43

idea that I did

46:45

anything wrong relative to what you're talking about

46:47

is outrageous. It's simply a

46:49

lie, number one. Number two, the idea

46:51

that you have a right to seek

46:53

retribution against any American just because your

46:56

president is wrong, is simply wrong. No

46:58

president's ever spoken like that before. No

47:00

president in our history has spoken like

47:02

that before. Number three, the

47:05

crimes that you are still charged with. Think of

47:07

all the civil penalties you have. How many billions

47:09

of dollars do you owe in civil penalties for

47:12

molesting a woman in public, for doing a

47:14

whole range of things, of

47:16

having sex with a porn star while

47:20

your wife was pregnant? I mean, what

47:22

are you talking about? You

47:24

have the morals of an alley

47:26

cat. I didn't have sex with

47:29

a porn star. Number one. Number

47:31

two, that was a case that was

47:33

started and moved. They moved a high

47:35

ranking official, a DOJ, into the Manhattan

47:37

DA's office to start that case. That

47:40

case is going to be appealed in

47:42

one. We had a very terrible

47:44

judge, Democrat.

47:47

The prosecutor were all high

47:49

ranking Democrats, appointed people and

47:52

both the civil and

47:54

the criminal. He basically went after his political

47:56

opponent because he thought it was going to

47:58

damage me. But when the public found out

48:00

about these cases because they understand him better

48:03

than he does. He has no idea what

48:05

these cases are. But when they found out

48:07

about these cases, you know what they did?

48:09

My poll numbers went up way up. You

48:11

know that because you're reporting it. And we

48:13

took in more money in the last two

48:16

weeks than we've ever taken in the history

48:18

of any campaign. I don't think any campaign

48:20

has ever taken hundreds of millions of dollars

48:22

came pouring in because the public knows it's

48:24

a scam. And it's a guy that's after

48:27

his political opponent because he can't win fair

48:29

and square. Thank you, President Trump. President

48:31

Biden, you have said, quote, Donald

48:33

Trump and his MAGA Republicans are

48:35

determined to destroy American democracy. Do

48:38

you believe that the tens of millions

48:40

of Americans who are likely to vote

48:42

for President Trump will be voting against

48:45

American democracy? The more they know

48:47

about what he's done, yes. The

48:49

more they know about what he's done. And

48:51

there's a lot more coming. He's got a

48:53

lot of cases on the road coming around.

48:55

He's got a whole range of issues he

48:57

has to face. I don't know what the

48:59

jury will do, but I do know he

49:01

has a real problem. And so the fact

49:03

that could you ever think you

49:05

heard any president say that I'm going to

49:07

seek retribution? Do you ever hear any president

49:10

say that I thought he had some good

49:12

ideas? What got me involved to run the

49:14

first place after my son had died and

49:16

decided in Iraq because of Iraq, I

49:18

said I wasn't going to run again until I

49:20

saw what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia.

49:23

People coming out of the woods

49:25

carrying swastikas on torches, torches and

49:27

singing the same anesthetic bio they

49:30

sang when back in

49:32

Germany. And what did and the young woman

49:34

got killed. I spoke to the mother and

49:36

she asked him, they said, what

49:38

what do you think of those people? The people who

49:40

wanted to get killed, the one who tried to stop

49:42

it. And the ones he said, I think they're fine

49:45

people on both sides. What

49:47

American president, would ever

49:49

say Nazis coming out of

49:51

fields carrying torches, singing the

49:54

same anesthetic bio, carrying swastikas

49:57

or fine people. And this is a guy who

49:59

says Hitler's doing it. some good things. I'd like

50:01

to know what they are. The good things

50:03

Hitler's done, that's what he said. This guy

50:05

has no sense of American democracy. President

50:08

Trump. Jake, both of you know that story

50:10

has been totally wiped out

50:12

because when you see the sentence, it said

50:15

100% exoneration on that.

50:18

So he just keeps it going. He says he

50:20

ran because of Charlottesville. He didn't run because of

50:22

Charlottesville. He ran because it was his last chance.

50:25

He's not equipped to be president. You

50:27

know it and I know it. It's

50:29

ridiculous. We have a debate. We're trying

50:31

to justify his presidency. His presidency, without

50:34

question, the worst president, the worst presidency

50:36

in the history of our country, we

50:39

shouldn't be having a debate about it.

50:41

There's nothing to debate. He made up

50:43

the Charlottesville story and you'll see it's

50:45

debunked all over the place. Every anchor,

50:48

every reasonable anchor has debunked it. And

50:50

just the other day it came out

50:52

where it was fully debunked. It's

50:55

a nonsense story. He knows that and he

50:57

didn't run because of Charlottesville. He used that

50:59

as an excuse to run. President

51:02

Biden. And debunked. It happened. All

51:05

you have to do is listen to what was said at the time and

51:08

the idea that somehow that's the only reason

51:10

I ran. I ran because I was

51:12

worried a guy like this guy could get

51:14

elected. If he thought they were good

51:16

people coming out of that all that forest,

51:18

carrying those woods, carrying those torches, then

51:20

he didn't deserve to be president. Didn't deserve

51:23

to be president at all. And the

51:25

idea that he's talking about all this being

51:27

fabricated, we saw with our own eyes,

51:29

we saw what happened on January 6th, we

51:31

saw the people breaking through the windows,

51:33

we saw people occupying his own vice president.

51:36

Look, there's a reason why 40 of

51:38

his 44 top cabinet

51:40

officers refused to endorse him this

51:42

time. His vice president hasn't endorsed

51:44

him this time. So why? Why

51:46

they know him well. They serve with him. Why

51:48

are they not endorsing him? Thank

51:51

you, President Biden. We're going to be right back with

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debate live from Georgia. Let's

53:17

talk about persistent challenges you both faced

53:19

in your first terms and you'd certainly

53:22

face again in the second term. President

53:25

Biden, while black unemployment dropped

53:27

to a record low under

53:29

your presidency, black families still

53:31

earn far less than

53:33

white families. Black mothers

53:35

are still three times more likely

53:37

to die from pregnancy-related causes, and

53:40

black Americans are imprisoned at five

53:42

times the rate of white Americans.

53:45

What do you say to black voters who are

53:48

disappointed that you haven't made more progress? They

53:50

acknowledge they made a lot of progress, number one.

53:52

The fact of the matter is, there are more

53:55

small black businesses that have been started at any

53:57

time in history. Number two, the

53:59

wages of black people. of black

54:01

unemployment is the lowest level of spending in a

54:03

long, long time. Number three, we find

54:06

them providing housing for black

54:08

Americans and dealing with

54:11

segregation that exists among these

54:13

corporate operations that collude to

54:16

keep people out of their

54:18

houses. In addition

54:20

to that, we find that the

54:23

impact of the

54:27

choice that black families

54:29

have to make relative to child

54:32

care is incredibly difficult. When

54:34

we did the first major piece of legislation

54:36

in the past, I was able to reduce

54:38

black child care costs. I

54:41

cut them in half. In half. We've

54:43

got to make sure we provide for child

54:45

care costs. We've got to make sure because

54:48

when you provide those child care protections, you

54:50

have to increase economic growth because more people

54:52

can be in the job market. So

54:55

there's more to be done, considerably more to

54:57

be done. But we've done a great

54:59

deal so far, and I'm not letting up, and they know

55:01

it. You have 49

55:03

seconds left. What do you say

55:05

to black voters who are disappointed

55:07

with the progress so far? I say

55:09

I don't blame them for being disappointed. Inflation

55:12

is still hurting them badly. For example, I

55:14

provided for the idea that

55:16

any black family first-time homebuyer should get

55:19

a $10,000 tax credit to be able

55:21

to buy their first home so

55:23

they can get started. I made sure

55:25

that we're in a situation where all

55:28

those black families and those black individuals

55:30

who provided, who had to take out

55:32

student loans that were ballooning, that

55:34

if they were engaged in nursing, anything

55:39

happy to do with volunteerism, if

55:41

they paid their bills for 10 years on

55:43

their student debt, all the rest of us were

55:45

given after 10 years. Millions have

55:47

benefited from that. And we're going to do

55:49

a whole lot more for black families.

55:52

Thank you, President Trump. And

55:54

he caused the inflation. He's blaming inflation,

55:57

and he's right. It's been very bad. He

55:59

caused the inflation. inflation and it's killing

56:01

black families and Hispanic families and just

56:03

about everybody. It's killing people.

56:06

They can't buy groceries anymore. They can't.

56:08

You look at the cost of food

56:10

where it's doubled and tripled and quadrupled.

56:13

They can't live. They're not living anymore.

56:16

He caused this inflation. I gave him

56:18

a country with no essentially no inflation. It

56:20

was perfect. It was so good. All he

56:23

had to do is leave it alone. He

56:25

destroyed it with his green new scam and

56:27

all of the other, all this money that's

56:29

being thrown out the window. He caused inflation.

56:32

As sure as you're sitting there, the

56:34

fact is that his big

56:36

kill on the black people is

56:39

the millions of people that he's allowed to come

56:41

in through the border. They're taking black jobs now

56:43

and it could be 18. It could

56:46

be 19 and even 20 million people.

56:48

They're taking black jobs and they're taking Hispanic

56:50

jobs and you haven't seen it yet, but

56:52

you're going to see something that's going to

56:54

be the worst in our history. Thank you.

56:57

President Biden. There was

56:59

no inflation when I became president. You

57:01

know why? The economy was flat on

57:03

its back. 50% unemployment.

57:05

He decimated the economy, absolutely decimated the

57:07

economy. That's why there was no inflation

57:10

at the time. There were no jobs.

57:12

We provided thousands of millions of jobs

57:14

for individuals who were involved communities, including

57:17

minority communities. We made sure that they

57:19

have health insurance. We have covered, if

57:21

the ACA has increased, I made sure

57:24

that they're $8,000 per person in a

57:26

family to get written off for the

57:28

health care. But this guy wants to

57:31

eliminate that. They tried 50 times. He

57:34

wants to get rid of the ACA again and they're

57:36

going to try again if they win. We

57:38

find ourselves in the position where the idea

57:41

that we're not doing anything, I put more,

57:43

we put more police on

57:45

the street than any administration has. He

57:47

wants to cut the cops. We're providing

57:49

for equity, equity and making sure people

57:52

have a shot to make

57:54

it. There's a lot going on,

57:56

but an inflation, he caused it

57:58

by his tremendous amount of

58:01

reasons in the way you handled the

58:03

pandemic. Thank you. Another persistent challenge is

58:06

the climate crisis. 2023

58:08

was the hottest year in recorded history

58:11

and communities across the country

58:13

are confronting the devastating effects of

58:15

extreme heat, intensifying wildfires,

58:17

stronger hurricanes and rising sea

58:20

levels. Former President

58:22

Trump, you've vowed to end your

58:24

opponent's climate initiatives, but will you

58:26

take any action as president to

58:28

slow the climate crisis? Let me

58:30

just go back to what he

58:32

said about the police. How

58:34

close the police are to him. Almost

58:36

every police group in the nation from

58:39

every state is supporting Donald

58:41

J. Trump. Almost every police group.

58:44

And what he's done to the black population

58:46

is horrible, including the fact that for 10

58:48

years, he called him super predators. We can't

58:51

in the 1990s, we can't forget that. Super

58:53

predators was his name, and he called it to him

58:55

for 10 and they've taken great offense at it. And

58:58

now they see it happening. But

59:00

when they see what I did for

59:02

criminal justice reform, and for the historically

59:04

black colleges and universities where I funded

59:07

them and got them all funded, and

59:09

the opportunity zones with with Tim, as

59:11

you know, Tim Scott was incredible. He

59:14

did a great job, great senator from

59:16

South Carolina. He came to me

59:18

with the idea and it was a great idea. It's

59:20

one of the most successful economic development acts ever

59:23

in the country. Opportunity zones

59:25

and the biggest beneficiary are blacks.

59:27

And that's why we have

59:29

the best numbers with them in maybe

59:32

ever. They're saying ever. I read this morning

59:34

where ever the best numbers. He's

59:36

lost much of the black

59:38

population because he's done a horrible

59:41

job for black people. He's also done a

59:43

horrible job for Hispanics. But when

59:45

you see these millions of people pouring into

59:47

our country and they're going to take the

59:50

jobs and it's already started and you haven't

59:52

seen anything yet. It's a disaster. You

59:55

38 seconds left. President Trump,

59:57

will you take any action as

59:59

president to. slow the climate crisis.

1:00:02

So I want absolutely immaculate clean

1:00:04

water, and I want absolutely

1:00:06

clean air, and we had it. We

1:00:09

had H2O. We had the best

1:00:11

numbers ever, and we did, we

1:00:14

were using all forms

1:00:16

of energy, all forms, everything. And

1:00:19

yet, during my four years, I had

1:00:21

the best environmental numbers ever. And

1:00:24

my top environmental people gave me that statistic

1:00:26

just before I walked on the stage, I

1:00:30

don't know where the hell he's been. The

1:00:32

idea that he said is true.

1:00:36

I've passed the most

1:00:38

extensive climate change legislation in

1:00:40

history. We

1:00:43

find ourselves, and by the way, black

1:00:45

colleges, I came up with

1:00:47

$15 billion for HBCUs, historic black

1:00:49

universities and colleges, because they don't

1:00:51

have the kind

1:00:53

of contributors that they have to

1:00:56

build these laboratories and the like. Any

1:00:59

black student is capable of college, or doing any

1:01:01

white student can do. They just have the money,

1:01:03

but now they'll be able to get those jobs

1:01:05

in high tech. We're in a situation where the

1:01:07

idea that he is claiming

1:01:10

to have done something that had

1:01:12

the cleanest water, the

1:01:14

cleanest water, he had done a

1:01:16

damn thing in the environment. He pulled out

1:01:18

of the Paris Peace Accord, the Climate Accord.

1:01:20

I immediately joined it, because if we reach

1:01:22

1.5 degrees Celsius at any one point where

1:01:26

there's no way back, the only existential threat

1:01:28

to humanity is climate change. He didn't do

1:01:31

a damn thing about it. He must undo

1:01:33

all that I've done. The

1:01:36

Paris Accord was going to cost us a

1:01:38

trillion dollars, and China nothing,

1:01:40

and Russia nothing, and India nothing. It

1:01:42

was a ripoff of the United States. I

1:01:46

ended it because I didn't want to waste that

1:01:48

money because they treat us horribly. We were the

1:01:50

only ones who was costing us money. Nobody else

1:01:52

was paying into it. It

1:01:54

was a disaster. Nothing

1:01:56

that he said just now. I'll give you an example. I

1:01:58

heard him say before insulin. I'm the

1:02:00

one that got the insulin down for the

1:02:02

seniors. I took care of the seniors. What

1:02:05

he's doing is destroying all of our medical

1:02:07

programs because the migrants coming in, they want

1:02:09

everybody. And look, I have the biggest heart

1:02:11

on the stage, I guarantee you that. And

1:02:14

I want to take care of people.

1:02:16

But we're destroying our country. They're taking

1:02:19

over our schools, our hospitals, and they're

1:02:21

going to be taking over Social Security.

1:02:23

He is destroying Social Security, Medicare, and

1:02:25

Medicaid. Where

1:02:28

did that come from? The idea is that

1:02:31

we, in fact, we were

1:02:33

the only ones of consequence. We're

1:02:36

not. We're not members of the

1:02:38

Paris Accord. How can we

1:02:40

do anything we've not able, the United States can't

1:02:42

get under control? One of

1:02:44

the largest polluters in the world,

1:02:46

number one. We're making significant progress.

1:02:49

By 2035, we will have cut

1:02:51

pollution in half. We have made

1:02:53

significant progress. And we continue to

1:02:55

make progress. We set up a climate core for

1:02:58

thousands of young people who will learn how to

1:03:00

deal with climate, just like the Peace Corps. And

1:03:03

we're moving in directions that are

1:03:05

going to significantly change the elements

1:03:07

of cause of pollution. But the

1:03:09

idea that he claims that he

1:03:11

has the biggest heart up here

1:03:13

and he's really concerned about pollution

1:03:16

and about climate, I've not seen any

1:03:19

indication of that. And by the way,

1:03:21

with regard to prescription

1:03:23

drugs, one company agreed

1:03:26

that they would reduce the price to $35, which

1:03:29

I was calling for one voluntarily. I

1:03:32

made sure every company in the world,

1:03:34

every pharmaceutical company, cannot have to pay.

1:03:37

And by the way, so

1:03:40

every day, millions of Americans struggle

1:03:42

just to make ends meet. For

1:03:44

many older Americans, Social Security provides

1:03:46

a critical lifeline. President Biden, if

1:03:48

nothing is done to Social Security,

1:03:50

seniors will see their benefits cut

1:03:52

in just over 10 years.

1:03:55

Will you name tonight one specific step that

1:03:57

you're willing to take to keep Social Security

1:03:59

safe? solvent. Yes, make the very well they

1:04:01

began to pay their fair share. Right

1:04:04

now, everybody making under $170,000 pays 6% of

1:04:06

their income, of

1:04:10

their paycheck. Every single time they get a paycheck from

1:04:12

the time, the first one they get when

1:04:14

they're 18 years old, the idea

1:04:16

that they're going to, I'm not, I've been

1:04:18

proposing that everybody, they pay,

1:04:21

the millionaires pay 1%, 1%. So

1:04:25

no one after I would not

1:04:27

raise the cost of social security for

1:04:29

anybody under $400,000 after

1:04:31

that, I began to make the wealthy began

1:04:33

to pay their fair share by increasing from

1:04:35

1% beyond to be able to guarantee the

1:04:37

program for life. So you

1:04:40

still have 82 seconds left. Are there any other

1:04:42

measures that you think that would be able to

1:04:44

help keep social security solvent or is just, is

1:04:46

that one enough? Well, that one enough will keep

1:04:48

it solvent. But the biggest thing I'll do if

1:04:51

we defeat this man, because he

1:04:53

wants to get rid of social security. He

1:04:55

thinks there's plenty to cut in social security.

1:04:57

He's wanted to cut social security and Medicare

1:04:59

both times. And that's what, and if you

1:05:01

look at the program put

1:05:03

forward by the house Republican caucus

1:05:05

that he, I believe supports is

1:05:08

in fact want to cut it as well. The

1:05:10

idea that we don't need to

1:05:12

protect our seniors is ridiculous. We

1:05:15

put, and by the way, American

1:05:17

public has greater healthcare coverage today

1:05:19

than ever before. And

1:05:22

under the ACA, as I said, you're

1:05:24

in a circumstance where 400,000 people, 40

1:05:29

million people would not have insurance because

1:05:31

they have a preexisting condition. Only allows

1:05:33

them to have that insurance is the

1:05:35

fact that they in fact are part

1:05:37

of the ACA. And by

1:05:39

the way, the other thing is we're in

1:05:41

a situation where we talk about education for

1:05:43

black communities. I've raised the number,

1:05:45

the amount of money for Pell

1:05:47

Grants, another $8,000. So

1:05:50

anybody making under $70,000 a year, going

1:05:52

to be able to get $15,000 towards

1:05:54

the tuition. He

1:05:57

just doesn't know what he's talking about. Thank

1:05:59

you, President Biden. President Trump. So I've dealt

1:06:01

with politicians all my life.

1:06:04

I've been on this side of the

1:06:06

equation for the last eight years. I've

1:06:09

never seen anybody lie like this guy. He lies.

1:06:11

I've never seen that he could look you in

1:06:14

the face. So about so many other things too.

1:06:17

And we mentioned the laptop. We

1:06:19

mentioned Russia, Russia, Russia, Ukraine, Ukraine,

1:06:21

Ukraine, everything he does is a

1:06:23

lie. It's misinformation and disinformation. The

1:06:25

losers and sucker story that he

1:06:27

made up is a total lie

1:06:30

on the military. It's a

1:06:32

disgrace. But Social Security, he's

1:06:35

destroying it because millions of people are

1:06:37

pouring into our country and they're putting

1:06:39

them onto Social Security. They're putting them

1:06:41

onto Medicare, Medicaid. They're putting them in

1:06:43

our hospitals. They're taking the place of

1:06:45

our citizens there. What they're doing to

1:06:47

the VA, to our veterans is unbelievable.

1:06:49

Our veterans are living in the street

1:06:51

and these people are living in

1:06:53

luxury hotels. He doesn't know what

1:06:55

he's doing. And it's really coming

1:06:58

back. I've never seen such anger

1:07:00

in our country before. President

1:07:02

Biden. The idea that veterans

1:07:04

are not being taken care of. I told

1:07:06

you before, by the way, when I said

1:07:08

suckers and losers, he said he acknowledged after

1:07:10

that he fired that general. That

1:07:13

general got fired because he's the

1:07:15

one that acknowledged that that's what he said. He was

1:07:17

the one standing with Trump when he said it. Number

1:07:20

one, number two, the idea that we're going

1:07:22

to be in a situation where all

1:07:25

these millions and millions, in a way,

1:07:27

talks about illegal aliens are

1:07:29

coming into the country and taking away

1:07:31

our jobs. There's a reason why we

1:07:33

have the fastest growing economy in the world. The

1:07:35

reason why we have the most successful economy in

1:07:37

the world. We're doing better than any

1:07:39

other nation in the world. And by the

1:07:42

way, those 15 Nobel laureates he

1:07:44

talked about being phony, those 15 Nobel

1:07:46

laureates, economists, they all said that if

1:07:48

Trump is reelected or elected to have

1:07:50

a recession, inflation

1:07:53

is going to increasingly go up. And

1:07:55

by the way, worst present in history,

1:07:57

159 presidential scholars voted him the worst.

1:07:59

the worst president in the history of the

1:08:01

United States of America. President Biden, thank you

1:08:04

so much. Let's turn to the cost of

1:08:06

childcare, which many American families struggle to afford.

1:08:08

President Trump, both you and President Biden, have

1:08:10

tried to address this issue. But

1:08:12

the average cost of childcare in this country has risen to more

1:08:14

than $11,000 a year per

1:08:17

child. For many families, the cost

1:08:19

of childcare for two children is

1:08:21

more than their rent. In

1:08:23

your second term, what would you do to

1:08:25

make childcare more affordable? I

1:08:58

fired him. This

1:09:01

guy hasn't fired anybody. He

1:09:04

should have fired every military man

1:09:06

that was involved with that Afghanistan horror

1:09:11

show, the most embarrassing moment in the history

1:09:13

of our country. He didn't

1:09:15

fire. Did you fire anybody? Did you fire

1:09:17

anybody that's on the border, that's allowed us to have

1:09:19

the worst border in the history of the world? Did

1:09:21

anybody get fired for allowing 18 million

1:09:24

people, many from prisons, many

1:09:26

from mental institutions? Did

1:09:29

you fire anybody that allowed our country

1:09:31

to be destroyed? Joe, our

1:09:33

country is being destroyed as you and

1:09:35

I sit up here and waste a lot of time

1:09:37

on this debate. This shouldn't be a debate. He

1:09:40

is the worst president. He just said it about me because

1:09:42

I said it. But look,

1:09:44

he's the worst president in the history of

1:09:46

our country. He's destroyed our country. Now all

1:09:48

of a sudden, he's trying to get a

1:09:50

little tough on the border. He came out

1:09:53

with a nothing deal, and it reduced it

1:09:55

a little bit, a little bit like this

1:09:57

much. It's insignificant. open

1:10:00

borders. He wants our country to either

1:10:02

be destroyed or he wants to pick

1:10:04

up those people as voters. And

1:10:07

I don't think we just can't let

1:10:09

it happen. If he wins this

1:10:11

election, our country doesn't have a chance,

1:10:13

not even a chance, of

1:10:15

coming out of this rut. We probably won't

1:10:17

have a country left anymore. That's how bad

1:10:20

it is. He is the worst in history

1:10:22

by far. Thank you, President

1:10:24

Trump. President Biden. We are the most admired

1:10:26

country in the world. We're the United States

1:10:28

of America. There's nothing beyond our capacity. We

1:10:30

have the finest military in the history of

1:10:32

the world, the finest in the history of

1:10:35

the world. No one thinks

1:10:37

we're weak. No one wants to

1:10:39

screw around with us. Nobody. Number

1:10:41

one. Number two, the idea that

1:10:43

we're talking about worst presidents. I

1:10:45

wasn't joking. Look it up. Go online.

1:10:47

159 and 58 don't hold

1:10:49

me the exact number. Presidential

1:10:52

historians, they've had meetings and they voted

1:10:54

who was the worst president in American

1:10:56

history. One for best to worst. They

1:10:59

said he was the worst in all

1:11:01

of American history. That's a fact. That's

1:11:03

not a, that's not conjecture. He can

1:11:05

argue the wrong, but that's what they

1:11:08

voted. The idea that he is knowing,

1:11:10

doing anything to deal with childcare. He

1:11:13

did very per virtually nothing to childcare.

1:11:15

We should significantly increase the childcare

1:11:17

tax credit. We should significantly increase

1:11:19

the availability of women and

1:11:21

men or single parents to be

1:11:23

able to go back to work and we

1:11:25

should encourage businesses to hold, to have. Thank

1:11:27

you. President Biden, President Trump, the question was

1:11:30

about what would you do to make childcare

1:11:32

more affordable if you want to take your

1:11:34

minute? Just you understand we

1:11:36

have polling. We have other things that do, they

1:11:38

rate him the worst because what he's done is

1:11:40

so bad and they rate me. I'll show you,

1:11:43

I will show you and they rate me one

1:11:45

of the best. Okay. And if

1:11:47

I'm given another four years, I will be the

1:11:49

best. I think I'll be the best. Nobody's

1:11:52

ever created an economy

1:11:54

like us. Nobody ever cut taxes like us.

1:11:57

He's the only one I know. He wants to raise your

1:11:59

taxes by four. He wants

1:12:01

to raise everybody's taxes by four times.

1:12:03

He wants to trump tax cuts to

1:12:05

expire. So everybody, including the two of

1:12:07

you, are going to pay four to

1:12:09

five times. Nobody ever heard of this

1:12:11

before. All my life I'd grow up

1:12:13

and I see politicians talking about cutting

1:12:15

taxes. When we cut taxes, as I

1:12:17

said, we did more business. Apple and

1:12:19

all these companies, they were bringing money

1:12:21

back into our country. The

1:12:24

worst president in history by far, and everybody

1:12:26

knows it. President Biden? Look,

1:12:28

the fact of the matter is that

1:12:30

he's dead wrong about, he's increased the

1:12:32

tariff, he will increase the

1:12:35

taxes on middle class people. I

1:12:38

said I'd never raise a tax about anybody making

1:12:40

less than $400,000. I

1:12:42

didn't. But this tariff is 10% tariffs. Everything

1:12:45

coming into the country, you know what the economists

1:12:47

say? That's gonna cost the average American $2,500 a

1:12:49

year more because

1:12:53

they're gonna have to pay the difference in

1:12:55

food and all the things that are

1:12:57

very important. Number two, he's

1:12:59

in a situation where he talks

1:13:01

about how he has not raised,

1:13:04

he's somehow helped the middle

1:13:06

class. Middle class has been

1:13:08

devastated by you. Now you want a new

1:13:10

tax cut of $5 trillion over the next 10

1:13:12

years, which is gonna fundamentally

1:13:15

bankrupt the country. You had the largest

1:13:17

deficit of any president in American history,

1:13:19

number one. Number two, you have not

1:13:21

in fact made any

1:13:23

contact, any progress

1:13:26

with China. We are

1:13:28

the lowest trade deficit with China since 2010. Thank

1:13:31

you, President Biden. You lost on the top. Thank

1:13:33

you, President Biden. Let's discuss an epidemic impacting millions

1:13:36

of Americans that both of you have made a

1:13:38

top priority in your first term, the

1:13:40

opioid crisis. And for both of you,

1:13:43

the number of overdose deaths in this

1:13:45

country has gone up under your term.

1:13:47

It went up under your term, it

1:13:49

has gone up. Former President Trump,

1:13:51

despite the efforts that both of you have made, more

1:13:54

than 100,000 Americans are dying from

1:13:56

overdoses every year, primarily from fentanyl and

1:13:58

other opioids. What will you do to

1:14:00

help Americans right now in the throes

1:14:03

of addiction who are struggling to get

1:14:05

the treatment they need? To

1:14:07

finish up, we now

1:14:09

have the largest deficit in the history of our

1:14:11

country under this guy. We have

1:14:14

the largest deficit with China. He

1:14:16

gets paid by China. He's a Manchurian candidate.

1:14:18

He gets money from China. So

1:14:20

I think he's afraid to deal with something. But

1:14:23

do you notice he never took out my tariffs

1:14:25

because we bring in so much money with the

1:14:27

tariffs that I imposed on China. He never took

1:14:29

him away. He can't because it's too much money.

1:14:32

It's tremendous. And we saved our steel industries and

1:14:34

there was more to come. But he

1:14:36

hasn't done that. But he hasn't cut

1:14:38

the tariffs because he can't because it's too

1:14:41

much money. But he's got the largest deficit

1:14:43

in the history of our country. And

1:14:45

he's got the worst situation

1:14:48

with China. China is going to own

1:14:50

us if you keep allowing them to do

1:14:52

what they're doing to us as a country.

1:14:54

They are killing us as a country, Joe.

1:14:56

And you can't let that happen. They're destroying

1:14:58

our country. So

1:15:00

President Trump, you have 67 seconds left. The

1:15:02

question was, what are you going to do

1:15:04

to help Americans in the throes of addiction

1:15:06

right now who are struggling to get the

1:15:08

treatment they need? Jake, we're doing very well

1:15:10

at addiction until the COVID came along. We

1:15:12

had the two and a half, almost three

1:15:14

years of like nobody's ever had before any

1:15:16

country in every way. And

1:15:18

then we had to get tough. And it was

1:15:20

the drugs pouring across the border where

1:15:24

it started to increase. We got great equipment.

1:15:26

We bought the certain dog. That's the most

1:15:28

incredible thing that you've ever seen, the way

1:15:31

they can spot it. We did a lot.

1:15:33

And we had we were getting very low

1:15:35

numbers, very, very low numbers. Then he came

1:15:37

along. The numbers have you seen the numbers

1:15:40

now? It's not only the 18 million

1:15:42

people that I believe is even low because they

1:15:44

got a ways they don't even talk about got

1:15:46

a ways. But the numbers

1:15:48

of the amount of drugs

1:15:50

and human trafficking in women coming

1:15:53

across our border, the worst thing I've

1:15:55

ever seen at numbers

1:15:57

that nobody's ever seen under him because the

1:15:59

border. so bad, but the

1:16:02

number of drugs coming across our border

1:16:04

now is the largest we've ever had

1:16:06

by far. President Trump, thank you.

1:16:08

President Biden? Fentanyl and the byproducts of

1:16:10

fentanyl went down for a while. And

1:16:13

I wanted to make sure we use them in

1:16:15

machinery that can detect fentanyl, these big machines that

1:16:17

roll over everything that comes across the border. And

1:16:20

it costs a lot of money. That was part

1:16:22

of this deal we put together, this bipartisan deal.

1:16:25

More fentanyl machines, more being able

1:16:27

to detect drugs, more numbers of

1:16:29

agents, more numbers

1:16:32

of all the people at the border. And

1:16:35

when we had that deal done, he

1:16:37

called his Republican colleagues and said,

1:16:39

don't do it. It's going to hurt me

1:16:42

politically. He never argued it's not a

1:16:44

good bill. It's a really good bill. We

1:16:46

need those machines. We need those machines. And

1:16:49

we're coming down very hard in every country

1:16:51

in Asia in terms of precursors from fentanyl

1:16:53

and Mexico is working with us to make

1:16:55

sure they don't have the technology to be

1:16:57

able to put it together. That's

1:17:00

what we have to do. We need those machines.

1:17:03

Thank you, President Biden. President Trump, again, the

1:17:05

question is about Americans in the

1:17:07

throes of addiction right now struggling to get the

1:17:09

treatment they need. Well, this because this does pertain

1:17:11

to it. He ended

1:17:13

remain in Mexico. He

1:17:15

ended catch and release. I made a catch and

1:17:17

release in Mexico, not catch and release here. We

1:17:20

had so many things that we had done, hard

1:17:23

negotiations with Mexico. And I got it all for

1:17:25

nothing. It's just like when you

1:17:27

have a hostage. We always pay six billion dollars

1:17:29

for every time we says a hostage. Now

1:17:31

we have a hostage, a Wall Street Journal reporter.

1:17:35

I think a good guy. And

1:17:37

he's over there because Putin is laughing at

1:17:39

this guy, probably asking for billions of dollars

1:17:42

for the reporter. I will have him

1:17:44

out very quickly. As soon

1:17:46

as I take office before I take office,

1:17:48

I said by literally as soon as I

1:17:51

win the election, I will have that reporter

1:17:53

out. He should have had him out a

1:17:55

long time ago. But Putin's probably

1:17:57

asking for billions and billions of dollars. because

1:18:00

this guy pays it every time. We had

1:18:02

two cases. We paid $6 billion for five

1:18:04

people. I got 58 people

1:18:06

out, and I paid essentially nothing. Thank

1:18:10

you, President Trump. Dana? Let's turn to concerns

1:18:12

that voters have about each of you. President

1:18:15

Biden, you would be 86 at the end of

1:18:18

your second term. How do you

1:18:21

address concerns about your capability

1:18:23

to handle the toughest job in the

1:18:25

world well into your 80s? First

1:18:28

of all, I spent half my

1:18:30

career being criticized being

1:18:32

the youngest person in politics. I

1:18:35

was the second-youngest person ever

1:18:37

elected to the United States Senate, and now I'm

1:18:39

the oldest. This guy's three years younger and a

1:18:41

lot less competent. I think that

1:18:43

just look at the record. Look at what I've done.

1:18:46

Look, I've turned around. The horrible situation he left me.

1:18:48

As I said, 50 million new jobs, 800,000 manufacturing

1:18:50

jobs, more

1:18:53

investment in America, over millions,

1:18:55

billions of dollars in private investment

1:18:58

in enterprises that we are growing. By

1:19:01

the way, we brought an awful lot of people, the

1:19:04

whole idea of computer chips. We used to

1:19:07

have 40% of the market. We invented those

1:19:09

chips, and we lost it

1:19:11

because he was sending people to find

1:19:14

the cheapest jobs overseas and to bring

1:19:16

home a product. So I went to

1:19:18

South Korea. I convinced Samsung to invest

1:19:20

billions of dollars here in the United

1:19:23

States. Guess what?

1:19:25

Those fabs they call to build

1:19:29

these chips. Those fabs pay over $100,000. You

1:19:32

don't need a college degree for

1:19:34

them. And there's billions, about $40

1:19:37

billion already being invested and being

1:19:39

built right now in the United

1:19:41

States, creating significant jobs for Americans

1:19:43

from all over the world. President Biden, you

1:19:45

have 40 seconds left. Would you like to

1:19:48

add anything? Yeah, I would. The

1:19:50

idea that somehow we are

1:19:52

this failing country. I

1:19:54

never heard a president talk like this before. We're

1:19:57

the envy of the world. Name me

1:19:59

a... single major country president who wouldn't

1:20:01

trade places with the United States of

1:20:03

America for all of our problems and

1:20:05

all of our opportunities. We're the

1:20:08

most progressive country in the world in getting things done.

1:20:10

We're the strongest country in the world. We're

1:20:12

a country in the world who keeps our

1:20:14

word and everybody trusts us, all of our

1:20:16

allies and those who he

1:20:19

coddles up to from Kim Jong-un,

1:20:21

who he sends love letters to,

1:20:23

Putin, etc. They don't want

1:20:25

to screw around with us. Thank

1:20:28

you. For President Trump to follow

1:20:30

up, you would be 82 at the end of

1:20:32

your second term. What do

1:20:34

you say to voters who have concerns about

1:20:36

your capabilities to serve? Well, I

1:20:38

took two tests, cognitive tests. I aced them, both

1:20:40

of them, as you know. We

1:20:42

made it public. He took none. I'd like

1:20:44

to see him take one, just one, a real easy one. Like

1:20:47

go through the first five questions, he couldn't do it. But

1:20:50

I took two cognitive tests. I took physical

1:20:52

exams every year. And

1:20:55

we knock on wood, wherever we may have wood, that

1:20:58

I'm in very good health. I just won

1:21:00

two club championships, not even senior, two regular

1:21:02

club championships. To do that, you have to

1:21:04

be quite smart and you have to

1:21:06

be able to hit the ball a long way. And

1:21:09

I do it. He doesn't do it. He can't hit

1:21:11

a ball 50 yards. He challenged me to a golf match. He

1:21:13

can't hit a ball 50 yards. I

1:21:15

think I'm in very good shape. I feel that I'm as in good

1:21:17

a shape as I was 25, 30 years ago. I'm

1:21:21

probably a little bit lighter, but I'm

1:21:23

in as good a shape as I was years

1:21:26

ago. I feel very good. I feel the same. But

1:21:28

I took I was willing to take a cognitive test.

1:21:30

And you know what? If I didn't do well, I aced

1:21:32

him. Dr. Ronny Jackson,

1:21:34

who's a great guy when he was

1:21:36

White House doctor. And then I took another one, a similar

1:21:38

one. And both one of them

1:21:40

said they'd never seen anybody aced him. Thank

1:21:43

you. President Biden. You

1:21:45

can see he is six foot five and

1:21:47

only two hundred twenty three pounds or twenty

1:21:49

thirty five pounds. Well,

1:21:51

you said six four two hundred. Well,

1:21:54

anyway, that's it. Anyway, just

1:21:56

take a look at what he says he is and take a look

1:21:58

at what he is. Look, I'd be happy

1:22:00

to have a driving contest now. I

1:22:03

got my handicap, which one I was

1:22:05

vice president, down to a six. And

1:22:09

by the way, I told you before, I'm

1:22:11

happy to play golf if you carry your own bag. Think

1:22:14

you can do it? That's the

1:22:16

biggest lie that is a six handicap of all.

1:22:19

I was eight handicap. Yeah. Eight. But

1:22:23

I have, you know how many good I have? I've

1:22:25

seen your swing. I know your swing. Okay, let's act

1:22:27

like children. President Trump, we're going to turn. Let's not

1:22:30

act like children. You owe a child. To a

1:22:32

specific concern that voters have

1:22:34

about you. Will you pledge

1:22:36

tonight that once all

1:22:38

legal challenges have been exhausted, that

1:22:40

you will accept the results

1:22:42

of this election regardless of who wins? And

1:22:46

you will say right now that political

1:22:48

violence in any form is unacceptable.

1:22:51

Well, I shouldn't have to say that, but

1:22:53

of course I believe that. It's totally unacceptable.

1:22:56

And if you would see my statements that I made on Twitter

1:22:58

at the time, and also my statement that

1:23:00

I made in the Rosegard, you would say it's one

1:23:03

of the strongest statements you've ever seen. In addition to

1:23:05

the speech I made, in front of,

1:23:07

I believe, the largest crowd I've ever spoken to.

1:23:09

And I will tell you, nobody ever talks about

1:23:11

that. They talk about a relatively small number of

1:23:13

people that went to the Capitol. And

1:23:16

in many cases were ushered in by the

1:23:18

police. And as Nancy Pelosi said, it was

1:23:20

her responsibility, not mine. She said that loud

1:23:22

and clear. But the answer is, if

1:23:25

the election is fair, free, and I want that

1:23:28

more than anybody. And I'll tell you

1:23:30

something. I wish he was

1:23:32

a great president, because I wouldn't be here right now.

1:23:34

I'd be at one of my

1:23:36

many places, enjoying myself. I wouldn't be

1:23:38

under indictment, because I wouldn't have been his

1:23:40

political opponent, because

1:23:43

he indicted me, because I was

1:23:45

his opponent. I wish he was a great

1:23:48

president. I would rather have that. I

1:23:50

wouldn't be here. I don't mind being here. But the

1:23:52

only reason I'm here is he's so bad as a

1:23:55

president that I'm going to make

1:23:57

America great again. We're going to make America great

1:23:59

again. We're a failing nation right

1:24:01

now. We're a seriously failing nation. And

1:24:04

we're a failing nation because of

1:24:06

him. His policies are so bad.

1:24:09

His military policies are insane.

1:24:12

They're insane. These are wars that will

1:24:14

never end with him. He

1:24:16

will drive us into World War III,

1:24:18

and we're closer to World War III

1:24:20

than anybody can imagine. We are very,

1:24:23

very close to World War III, and

1:24:25

he's driving us there. And Kim Jong-un

1:24:27

and President Xi of China, Kim Jong-un

1:24:29

of North Korea, all of

1:24:31

these are Putin. They don't respect him.

1:24:33

They don't fear him. They have nothing

1:24:35

going with this gentleman, and he's going

1:24:38

to drive us into World War III.

1:24:41

You want a World War III. Let

1:24:44

him follow and win, and let Putin say,

1:24:46

do what you want, NATO. Just do what

1:24:48

you want. There's a thing

1:24:50

called Article 5. An attack on one

1:24:52

is an attack on all, a required

1:24:54

response. The idea, the

1:24:56

idea, I can't think of a

1:24:58

single major leader in the world who wouldn't

1:25:00

trade places with what job I've done and

1:25:02

what they've done. Because we

1:25:05

are a powerful nation. We have wonderful people. It's

1:25:07

because of the people, not me. It's because of

1:25:09

the American people. They're capable of anything, and they

1:25:11

step up when they're needed. And right now,

1:25:13

we're needed. We're needed to protect the world

1:25:15

because of our own safety as a state.

1:25:18

And again, you want to have a

1:25:20

war, just let Putin go ahead and

1:25:22

take Kyiv, make sure they move on,

1:25:24

see what happens in Poland, Hungary, and

1:25:26

other places along that border. Then

1:25:28

you have a war. President

1:25:30

Trump, as I come back to you for a

1:25:32

follow-up, the question was,

1:25:34

will you accept the results of

1:25:37

this election, regardless of who wins?

1:25:40

Just to finish what he said, if I might, Russia,

1:25:44

they took a lot of land from Bush. They

1:25:46

took a lot of land from Obama

1:25:48

and Biden. They took

1:25:51

no land, nothing from Trump,

1:25:53

nothing. He knew not to do it. He's

1:25:55

not going to play games with me. He knew that. I got

1:25:57

along with him very well, but he knew not to play games.

1:26:00

He took nothing from me. But

1:26:03

now he's going to take the whole thing from

1:26:05

this man right here. That's

1:26:07

a war that should have never started. It would

1:26:09

have never started ever with me. And

1:26:12

he's going to take Ukraine. And

1:26:15

you know, you asked me a question before, would you

1:26:17

do this with, he's got us in such a bad

1:26:19

position right now with Ukraine and

1:26:21

Russia because Ukraine's not winning

1:26:23

that war. He said, I will

1:26:25

never settle until such time. They're running

1:26:27

out of people. They're running out of soldiers. They've lost

1:26:30

so many people. It's so sad. They've

1:26:32

lost so many people and they've lost

1:26:34

those gorgeous cities with the golden domes

1:26:36

that are a thousand years old, all

1:26:38

because of him and stupid decisions. Russia

1:26:41

would have never attacked. President Trump,

1:26:43

the question was, will you accept the

1:26:45

results of the election, regardless of who

1:26:48

wins? Yes or no, please. If

1:26:50

it's a fair and legal and

1:26:52

good election, absolutely. I would have

1:26:55

much rather accepted these. But

1:26:57

the the fraud and everything else was ridiculous.

1:26:59

And if you want, we'll have a news

1:27:01

conference on it in a week. I will

1:27:03

have another one of these on in a

1:27:06

week. But I will

1:27:08

absolutely there's nothing I'd rather do. It would

1:27:10

be much easier for me to do that.

1:27:13

Then I'm running again. I wasn't

1:27:15

really going to run until

1:27:18

I saw the horrible job he did. He's

1:27:20

destroying our country. I would be very

1:27:22

happy to be someplace else in a

1:27:25

nice location, someplace. And again, no

1:27:27

indictments, no political opponent stuff, because

1:27:29

it's the only way he thinks he can win.

1:27:32

But unfortunately, it's driven up by numbers and

1:27:34

driven up to a very high level because

1:27:37

the people understand it. Let's

1:27:39

see what your numbers are. And the selection is over.

1:27:42

Let's see. You're a whiner. When

1:27:45

you lost the first time, you see you

1:27:47

continued. You appealed and appealed to courts all

1:27:49

across the country. Not one

1:27:51

single court in America said

1:27:53

any of your claims had any

1:27:56

merit, state or local, none. But

1:27:58

you continue to provoke. this

1:28:01

lie about somehow there's all this

1:28:03

misrepresentation, all this stealing. There is

1:28:05

no evidence of that at all.

1:28:08

And I tell you what, I doubt whether you'll accept

1:28:10

it because you're such a whiner. The

1:28:12

idea if you lose again, you accepted anything, you

1:28:15

can't stand the loss. Something snapped in you when

1:28:17

you lost the last time. We'll

1:28:20

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to deliver their closing statements as predetermined

1:29:42

by a coin toss. We're going to

1:29:44

begin with you, President Biden. You have

1:29:46

two minutes. We've

1:29:50

made significant progress from

1:29:53

the debacle that was left by

1:29:55

President Trump in his last

1:29:57

term. situation

1:30:00

where, number one, we

1:30:02

have to make sure that we have a fair tax system.

1:30:05

I ask anyone out there in the audience,

1:30:07

or anyone out watching this debate, do you

1:30:09

think the tax system is fair? The

1:30:12

fact is that I said nobody

1:30:14

who'd been making under $400,000 had a

1:30:16

single penny increasing their taxes and will

1:30:18

not, and if I'm reelected, that'll be

1:30:20

the case again. But this

1:30:22

guy has increased your taxes because

1:30:25

of the deficit. Number

1:30:27

one, he's increased inflation because of the

1:30:29

debacle he left after the way

1:30:31

he handled the pandemic, and he

1:30:33

finds himself in a position where he now

1:30:35

wants to tax you more by putting a

1:30:38

10% tariff on everything that comes into the United States of America.

1:30:41

What I did, for example, he wants

1:30:43

to get rid of the ability of Medicare

1:30:45

for the ability for

1:30:52

us to be able to negotiate drug prices with

1:30:54

big pharma companies. Well, guess what? We

1:30:57

got it down to $35 for an insulin set

1:30:59

of $400, no more than $2,000 for every senior, no

1:31:07

matter how much prescription they need. You

1:31:09

know what that did? That

1:31:12

reduced the federal debt by $160 billion over 10

1:31:14

years because the government doesn't have

1:31:19

to pay the exorbitant prices. I'm going

1:31:21

to make that available to every senior

1:31:24

all along. It's happening now and

1:31:26

everybody in America. He wants to get rid of

1:31:29

that. We have, I'm going to make sure that

1:31:31

we have childcare. We're going to significantly

1:31:33

increase the credit people have for childcare. I'm

1:31:35

going to make sure we do something about

1:31:37

what we're doing on lead pipes

1:31:39

and all the things that are causing

1:31:42

health problems for people across the

1:31:44

country. We're going to continue to

1:31:46

fight to bring down inflation and give people a

1:31:48

break. Thank you, President Biden, President

1:31:50

Trump. You now have two minutes for your closing statement.

1:31:53

Like so many politicians, this man is just a complainer.

1:31:55

He said, we want to do this, we want to

1:31:57

do that. We want to get rid of this type

1:31:59

of thing. that text. But he

1:32:01

doesn't do anything. He doesn't do

1:32:03

all he does is make our country unsafe

1:32:05

by allowing millions and millions of people to

1:32:08

pour in our military doesn't

1:32:10

respect him. We look like fools in

1:32:12

Afghanistan. We didn't stop Israel.

1:32:14

It was such a horrible thing that

1:32:16

would have never happened. It should have

1:32:18

never happened. Iran was broke. Anybody that

1:32:20

did business with Iran, including China, they

1:32:22

couldn't do business with the United States.

1:32:24

They all passed. Iran was broke. They

1:32:26

had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah

1:32:28

for terror. No money whatsoever. Again,

1:32:31

Ukraine should have never happened. He

1:32:33

talks about all the stuff, but he didn't

1:32:35

do it for three and a half years.

1:32:37

We're living in hell. We have the Palestinians

1:32:40

and we have everybody else rioting all over

1:32:42

the place. You talk about Charlottesville. This is

1:32:44

100 times Charlottesville, a thousand times.

1:32:46

The whole country is exploding because of

1:32:48

you because they don't respect you and

1:32:50

they have to respect their president and

1:32:52

they don't respect you throughout the world.

1:32:55

What we did was incredible. We rebuilt

1:32:58

the military. We got the largest tax cut

1:33:00

in history, the largest regulation cut in history.

1:33:02

The reason he's got jobs is because I

1:33:05

cut the regulations that gave jobs, but he's

1:33:07

putting a lot of those regulations back on.

1:33:10

All of the things that we've done, nobody's

1:33:12

ever never seen anything like that.

1:33:14

Even from a medical standpoint, right to try.

1:33:16

Well, we can try space age materials instead

1:33:18

of going to Asia or going to Europe

1:33:20

and trying to get when you're terminally ill.

1:33:23

Now you can go and you can get

1:33:25

something. You sign a document. They've been trying to get

1:33:27

it for 42 years. But you

1:33:29

know what we did for the military was

1:33:31

incredible choice for our soldiers where our soldiers

1:33:34

instead of waiting for three months to see

1:33:36

a doctor can go out and get themselves

1:33:38

fixed up and readied up and take care

1:33:40

of themselves and their living. And that's why

1:33:43

I had the highest approval rating in the

1:33:45

history of the VA. So all of these

1:33:47

things were in a failing nation, but it's

1:33:49

not going to be failing anymore. We're going

1:33:51

to make it great again. Thanks

1:33:55

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