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1:53

guys, I'm super juiced right now because

1:55

we have a special guest and

1:58

you know, Not all. Special guest

2:01

or big means that Big names yet

2:03

right? Magic. But. He

2:06

special because. He's.

2:08

Interesting. This

2:10

is most hassan joining paper route to

2:12

dates and summer you god may be

2:14

wonder now they're listening or watching on

2:16

you to who's mobile Thought: if you're

2:18

not a huge college football fan you

2:20

may not know. You. May not

2:22

know what this is. A guy

2:25

that's play quarterback in college at

2:27

Vanderbilt Us seats and also still

2:29

trains a day. For. His

2:31

time in his call to make it to

2:34

the Nfl now he may have to go

2:36

to the X A fairly may have to

2:38

go to see if they'll how he might

2:40

see a feals cannabis a tennis but he

2:42

may have to do that to find his

2:45

way to the Nfl. But this is another

2:47

guy that is also doubling. That doubling mean

2:49

that. Do that. He's also. Put.

2:51

His whole hand in. New. Media

2:53

for Athletes Huge opportunity has a

2:56

podcast is a few things that's

2:58

gone viral on his podcast. he

3:00

sat down with the Taylor Williams.

3:02

He sat down with a quarterback

3:04

from Miami. Has some interesting conversations

3:06

there, something that I jumped in

3:09

a conversation on on Social that

3:11

was interesting and also which went

3:13

viral maybe two weeks ago. This.

3:16

Whole thing about being out at

3:18

Vanderbilt. And. At

3:20

a bar or something and some got woken

3:22

up. say here's three hundred thousand dollars a

3:25

call today Steve as remember that moment in

3:27

sports talk last week or two weeks ago.

3:29

I do or don't dive into that later.

3:31

Ah mau how are you man during I

3:33

thank you for having me as as car

3:35

crazy how the south in L a walk

3:38

and thousand or so so sad for bread

3:40

and and you're like i want to come

3:42

on the so. Famous

3:45

later we're here for his boss

3:47

addresses realizes that was crazy as

3:49

but sales. Were also joined

3:51

and Studio I'm. With.

3:54

or other host we are andrew out

3:56

west and we get b c in

3:58

a booth with the village guys good.

4:00

Yes sir. Yes sir. Well doing well. Excited to

4:02

have him. Mo in the studio today man. Do

4:04

y'all remember the conversation that we had? I believe

4:07

it was two weeks ago and as

4:09

we were having a conversation. I believe

4:13

Eric who runs the facility who

4:16

works with me on the house of athletes side. Said

4:19

oh this guy Mo came in talk to

4:21

you wasn't it the same day. Yeah it

4:23

was the same day and I said does

4:26

his name end in her son? He was

4:28

like yeah. Ain't

4:30

no way Mo Hassan was in here today

4:32

and we talked about him on the show

4:34

that day. So the coincidence what

4:37

are the coincidence and then also how

4:39

the hell did you know I was like how the

4:41

hell do you know his last name like he knows

4:43

sports and watch sports. Oh that's

4:45

what it was was the rundown. Big Vanderbilt. Big Vanderbilt

4:48

fan. Big Vanderbilt fan. Wait now I need

4:50

to know what you guys were saying on

4:52

the show that day. Well do you

4:56

want to let's get into

4:58

it. Let's get into it because we all

5:00

had some interesting takes. We talked about the

5:02

mafia. What did they would

5:04

not to say some of us called cap.

5:07

It was an interesting conversation that we will

5:09

have again but we want to

5:13

if you're up to it we want you to

5:15

sit here with us maybe for an hour or

5:17

however long you can or longer

5:19

it's an hour and 45 minutes you can get

5:21

up and leave anytime you want especially if you

5:23

get a little uncomfortable but we would love for

5:25

you to be a contributor today because you are

5:28

also one of those athletes like I said. You're

5:31

almost like walking in my footsteps a

5:33

little bit right like new media. You

5:36

launch your own podcast or build not your

5:39

own platform and you're still playing and so

5:41

I would love to get your perspective on

5:43

everything that we have in the show today

5:46

how is that. I'm absolutely not for it.

5:48

Okay great. Awesome. All right.

5:50

Did you want to go through some what the audience needs

5:52

to know. Oh audience needs to

5:54

know. Okay. Everything you need to

5:56

know in sports today. Mike

5:59

Williams signs a one year deal with the Jets

6:01

is a one year deal worth

6:03

up to $15 million. Now

6:06

this is huge for Mike Williams and this

6:08

is huge for Aaron Rodgers. This is huge

6:10

for Garrett Wilson. This is huge for the

6:12

Jets and this is shitty for everyone in

6:14

the AFC. If, and I'll give

6:17

you my if later, if

6:19

big, if okay, Conor McGregor

6:22

doubles down on a return into the,

6:24

into the octagon. Now, Andrew,

6:26

I need to get your comments here, but

6:28

Conor McGregor saying he's coming back. Do we

6:30

want to see it? Last

6:32

time we saw him wasn't it the last, the last time we saw

6:35

him when he, when his leg like snapped in half? No,

6:37

it was actually another fight after that. All the same

6:39

thing. And

6:42

man misses the game, tying

6:44

three at the buzzer and the

6:46

wolves lose the T-wolves lose to

6:48

the Nuggets. The news

6:51

coming out of that was BC. I

6:54

was actually watching the game. Wow.

6:57

I was watching the game. Wow. Yes. And I

6:59

seen it. So

7:01

you got it. So you got a firsthand account.

7:03

I saw it, bro. Like, I'm like, all right.

7:06

So Mo, I always tell the guys, I'm like,

7:08

you know, basketball season doesn't start until March, April

7:10

for me. Like I'm not watching that

7:12

crap, you know, in December and January.

7:15

Now because of the excitement around the NBA this

7:17

year, I probably missed out on a good month

7:19

and a half of ball. So it

7:22

looked like they, they, they may be pushing me to move

7:24

up a little bit more, but you know,

7:26

I watched last night and I really

7:29

tuned into the fourth quarter and then right

7:31

around five minutes when I locked in, I

7:33

said, okay, they're approaching clutch minutes

7:35

clutch minutes is four minutes to

7:37

zero. And

7:39

that's when the game got really exciting. It was super

7:41

dope. Uh, Jimmy G says

7:44

he's messed up when

7:46

talking about his two game suspension, Cowboys

7:49

DB coach, Al Harris promote, promote

7:51

it to the assistant head coach.

7:53

Interesting, interesting, interesting. Marvin Harrison

7:55

Jr. Will not work out

7:57

at his pro day after.

8:00

not working out at the combine. Do you

8:02

love it or hate it? We will discuss.

8:05

And Tiger Woods is officially playing in

8:08

the Masters. I believe this is

8:10

his first tournament in

8:13

2024. I

8:15

believe so. So that's everything you need to know

8:17

in sports. You don't need to continue to listen

8:19

to us. You don't need to

8:21

go to ESPN. FS1, that's everything you need

8:23

to know to date. So feel free to

8:26

get off of the airwaves. That was

8:28

everything. No, no, no, no.

8:31

We still got about an hour and change to go,

8:33

man. Do not mute your radios or

8:35

change the channel. Everybody at Series XM,

8:37

the boss, I was literally

8:40

just texting the CEO of Series

8:42

XM today, Scott. And he'd

8:44

probably get that little feast. And he's like, what the

8:46

hell is he doing? What

8:48

is Brandon doing? Brandon being branded?

8:52

Advertise and change the channel. Yeah, don't listen

8:54

to us. Say on facts and talk 103.

8:58

But anyways, guys, Aaron Rodgers has another

9:00

big weapon for next season. Former Chargers

9:02

star Mike Williams is joining the Jets

9:04

on a one-year deal. Williams

9:07

is coming off a torn ACL, but is

9:09

one of the best deep threats in the

9:11

league. He now joins Garrett Wilson to make

9:13

one of the best receiving duos in football.

9:16

What does Williams mean to Rodgers in that

9:18

offense next season? Uh,

9:21

this is a huge signing

9:25

pickup by the New

9:27

York football Jets. This is, this

9:30

is, this is, this is, this is, this

9:32

could change the landscape in the AFC. Aaron

9:38

Rodgers having a healthy

9:40

Mike Williams and Garrett

9:42

Wilson could be

9:44

the difference between them being last

9:46

in a division or

9:49

first in a division. This

9:52

is huge. If Mike

9:54

Williams stays healthy, they win

9:56

this division. And that is the big if. I

9:58

talked about it earlier on in the game. and the show

10:01

Mo BC, Andrew, right? Like

10:03

this is huge. Mike Williams, when I think

10:05

about Mike Williams, man, and

10:08

going back to like 2019, 2018, 2019, when

10:12

he was coming into the NFL, whenever it

10:14

was, I was like, yo, this kid has

10:16

everything it takes to be a top flight

10:18

wide receiver. This kid has everything it takes

10:21

to be in the conversation

10:23

of top five wide receivers. He

10:25

is dynamic. He's bigger than I

10:27

am. He's faster than I am. And he can drop

10:29

his sink his hips at the top of his routes,

10:31

get in and out of his breaks. And

10:34

he has amazing ball skills,

10:36

amazing ball skills. But

10:38

the problem, and I had

10:40

our PR sniper look this up for

10:42

me. The problem with Mike

10:44

though is availability, right

10:46

BC? What do you always

10:48

say? Best abilities, availability. There

10:51

you go. So rookie year,

10:53

so he actually came in in 2020. Rookie

10:56

year had a herniated this that kept

10:58

him out for the first six games.

11:02

2020, he actually played 15 games. 2021, he played

11:04

16 games. 2022,

11:08

13 games and a missed playoff game with

11:10

injury due to injury. 2023,

11:13

this last season, he only played three

11:15

games because he went down with a

11:17

torn ACL. So

11:21

when I think about this, it's huge.

11:24

And this could be one of

11:26

the best signings the Jets have ever

11:28

had. And that's a

11:32

better signing than when they acquired me in 2015. I

11:36

mean, I got to throw my name in there. Can

11:39

you reach that far back? All

11:41

I know is this, Mo, Mo. And I want to get

11:43

your thoughts here on this signing as well. But

11:47

when you start getting into that, when you get

11:49

into the NFL, you start making your rounds and

11:51

going from team to team, work out to work

11:53

out, walk in down

11:55

that long hallway, go

11:57

by the receiver, Quarter.

12:00

Back. The. Be room.

12:02

right? Though segment rooms and it has

12:04

his wall. Of. The greats in

12:06

records and easy to receive or category say

12:08

Brandon Marshall Random or so sad part. So

12:11

if Marks L A S so so yes

12:13

I have to say because it was a

12:15

huge tiny what it was a great opportunity

12:18

for meets every by.i was was and buy

12:20

things. Mike Williams is Watts but my wheels

12:22

now go in there were Iraq just this

12:24

could be the difference This could be the

12:27

difference in In In In I'll give my

12:29

daughter have more because I want to look

12:31

at a defense or when look at or

12:33

Aaron Rodgers and Dumb. Because.

12:35

A play wouldn't pass and why this is

12:38

a good fit but I want to open

12:40

up to you guys. Get our thoughts on

12:42

and on. One start with our quarterback Mo

12:44

Hassan. Welcome to the So again what do

12:46

you think about the Jets timing wide receiver

12:48

My will So when you're do ya Lucas

12:50

size like we know gear to really good

12:52

route runner like this. did a technician offline

12:54

scrimmage when he's ever do out of his

12:57

brakes but just decides what you're talking like

12:59

is bigger V up on of is fast

13:01

Biloxi's of that mode of what you're able

13:03

to do for Jay Cutler him to Cargo.

13:05

And so I think. Maybe. He'll fill in

13:08

that the bonds her Adams role of what

13:10

he was in Green Bay. Like that size

13:12

you cabin premier like. Third, And long

13:14

their goal on stage though it up

13:16

Yemen like that. Ah lung what she

13:19

says then healthy hasn't played much, maybe

13:21

didn't get with some those darkness or

13:23

treats. It as

13:25

whatever Aaron's doing with the My and are and last

13:27

right hey that stuff works when or whatever you

13:29

on how to you know. I

13:31

don't care. Anymore

13:34

a bad you don't I add the same

13:36

injury and achilles surgery and with new the

13:38

able to do is unbelievable like coming back

13:40

and running and three four months has. To.

13:43

Do is a lot for you have to kill

13:45

it's I did. How long did it take for

13:47

you to recover to get back to where erasure

13:49

start? Dorner like month three. Honestly,

13:52

like pride triple the time so whatever he

13:54

did like our lead to pick his brain

13:56

and hopefully he can give mike williamson that

13:58

see gross us right right wrong But yeah,

14:00

I think the size on the perimeter is the big thing. And

14:02

I was also going to ask you, like, how

14:05

much do you think size plays into,

14:07

like, what you're able to help from

14:09

the quarterback's perspective? Yeah. Well,

14:11

there's a lot of, size means

14:14

nothing if you don't know how to use

14:16

it, right? I mean, yeah. It's

14:18

the most in the middle. Oh, yeah. You

14:22

don't know how to use it. You got to know how to move. But

14:26

there's a lot of big guys that

14:28

play small, and there's a lot of

14:31

small guys I've seen in my experience

14:33

that play extremely big, right? Mike

14:35

Williams is actually a guy that plays

14:37

big. He doesn't play bigger than what

14:39

he actually is. And

14:42

that's what I would love to pull out

14:44

of him a little bit more. Like, I

14:46

play bigger. Larry Fitzgerald played bigger. Calvin Johnson

14:48

played bigger, right? So size matters if you

14:51

know how to use it. And how do

14:53

you use it is you can't, don't

14:56

wait. And you know this as a quarterback. When

14:58

you drop back, guys like

15:00

Mike Williams, they're not covered. Just throw it up, right?

15:02

If they're not going to use their size, you throw

15:04

it up. And it's like, I know they're going to

15:06

go catch it at the highest peak. And

15:08

it's their ball or no ball. That 50-50 ball goes

15:11

to 80-20 ball. And

15:13

then also the range, right? Like, these

15:15

guys are long. They're catch radius, right?

15:18

Like, I could throw it anywhere, and they're

15:20

able to adjust. So Mike Williams, if you

15:22

turn on the film, if you watch his

15:24

highlights, you don't have to go forward. Go

15:26

to YouTube and put in Mike Williams' highlights.

15:28

You'll see how dynamic he is down

15:31

the field, catching the ball, adjusting,

15:33

right, his range. So this is

15:35

huge for Aaron Rodgers. And the

15:37

reason why I wanted to extend

15:39

this conversation earlier to

15:41

the potential this team has, because when you

15:43

look at Aaron Rodgers and the success he's

15:45

had in the past, it's not just Aaron

15:47

Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers has always been

15:50

surrounded by not one or two.

15:53

But usually every year, three

15:55

dynamic pass catchers. We're talking about

15:57

wide receivers like Devontae Adams. you

16:00

think about that era is like Devante

16:02

Adams and who? Then you had James

16:04

Jones, Greg Jennings, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson,

16:06

Donald Driver, Michael Finley. Do

16:08

you remember that name that tied in? This

16:12

is everything because Garrett Wilson, and I'll

16:15

push back on you a little bit

16:17

here, Garrett Wilson to me is Devante

16:19

Adams-ish. Now

16:22

you take Mike Williams. Mike Williams

16:24

is like James Jones. Is

16:27

Jordy Nelson on third down in

16:30

red zone? What do I mean

16:32

by that? When I played against

16:34

Aaron Rodgers and we saw Green Bay at

16:36

its peak from an offensive

16:38

standpoint, those

16:40

back shoulders throwing down

16:42

the field, like it was unstoppable. Because if

16:44

they got open and they passed you, he

16:47

put it on the money. But if you didn't,

16:50

they just had the back shoulder down. And that's

16:52

what I want to see out of Mike Williams.

16:54

Third down, red zone, you've got to dominate. If

16:56

it's one on one, we're coming to you. That's

16:59

what I see. No,

17:01

absolutely. Absolutely. And the

17:04

one other thing I want to point out is the two years

17:06

that he got over 14 games here, he

17:10

had some of the best years. He had over 1,000 yards. One

17:14

year he had actually nine TDs. So you

17:16

just want to see him get healthy and

17:18

actually play. And I think that is a

17:20

crazy threat to have. So

17:22

let me make a little waves here. I

17:25

want to say this. Mike

17:28

Williams staying healthy. If

17:32

Mike Williams is healthy, this

17:34

will be the best wide

17:37

receiver core that

17:39

Aaron Rodgers have ever had. And

17:42

we're talking about Devontae Adams, James Jones,

17:44

Greg Jennings, Randall Cobb,

17:46

Donald Driver, Jera Michael-Finley,

17:49

and there's a few

17:51

others. Telling

17:53

you Garrett Wilson is

17:55

different. If Aaron

17:58

Rodgers didn't get hurt last year. year Garrett

18:01

Wilson would have been a top five

18:03

wide receiver from statistics. Yeah. Right. Or

18:06

maybe even entered that conversation. Is he a

18:08

top five receiver for sure? Been top 10.

18:11

He is different. This

18:15

kid, M.W.

18:18

He's different, but he

18:20

gotta stay healthy. If he stays

18:23

healthy and they add, right.

18:25

Brock. Who? Brock Bowers. Is

18:27

that your timeout? Yes. Yeah. And the draft.

18:29

So that's a lot of mock drafts have

18:31

had the Georgia tight end, Brock Bowers, who

18:34

and most people's estimation is a future all

18:36

pro that can't miss tight end. Like, you

18:39

know, resume just goes

18:41

crazy. All American all pro all kind

18:43

of guy. Um, and he's always

18:45

had that really good route running tight end

18:48

at his arsenal in green Bay as well.

18:50

So he's kind of putting all those same

18:52

elements to your point who of

18:54

the success he's had in green Bay, they're recreating

18:56

that, but possibly on another level, like, and I

18:58

want to ask you to be, where

19:01

do you see this offensive skill room ranking

19:03

in the NFL? Do you think it's a

19:05

top five room with Breece Hall at running

19:07

back Garrett, Mike William and possibly

19:09

the addition of Brock Bowers? If

19:12

healthy, this

19:15

matter at all. He also has Alan Lazard who

19:17

he played family. Yeah. Right. Now

19:19

they let a call by the leave, but yeah,

19:22

listen, listen, Linda. Listen, is

19:24

it top five? Listen, it's,

19:26

it's definitely top five in

19:29

the NFL. Maybe you can

19:31

throw out some of the most dynamic

19:33

scale groups out there and then we

19:36

can go off of that, but it definitely

19:39

puts them in a top five. But wherever they're

19:41

at, you got to add another

19:43

ticker too because Aaron Rodgers would take a

19:45

good receiver, make them great. Aaron Rodgers would

19:48

take a receiver. Just if you can just

19:50

catch the ball and adjust, I

19:52

can potentially get you to be a pro

19:55

bowl player. Like Aaron Rodgers is

19:57

that good. So that's the difference

19:59

between. What the Jets have over

20:02

all these other skill

20:05

groups in the NFL. Aaron

20:07

Rodgers is one of those guys that make you

20:10

better. He makes you better. Now, all

20:12

this other talk about leadership, this and that. I'm talking

20:14

about the quarterback position, putting it on a money, being

20:17

able to put it in spots where

20:19

only you can catch it. All you got to do

20:21

is be able to catch the ball and adjust. That's

20:23

it. That's it. What names come to mind or what

20:25

teams come to mind when we think about the best

20:27

skill groups? Miami for

20:30

sure. Miami's up there. You got to make

20:32

one. Baltimore.

20:34

I like Baltimore. Miami, Philly. You

20:37

got Saquon now. You got Smitty

20:39

and also AJ Brown. So you

20:42

have Miami. I love Miami there. You

20:45

have Philly. San

20:47

Fran. San Fran. San

20:50

Fran's up there. Deebo, Kittle,

20:54

Mack. Patrick Mahon. No, I'm just

20:56

kidding. Right. Patrick by himself. I

20:59

like Hollywood. Yeah, that's Hollywood now. He

21:02

does have Hollywood. He just got more queens.

21:04

Yeah. But I'm saying

21:06

Patrick by himself. I like

21:08

what you see. Yeah. I mean,

21:10

why not? Let's put him up there. Who

21:14

else is up there? Let's

21:17

see. Good question. Yeah, let's look at the

21:19

divisions. So while we're looking this

21:21

up, I

21:26

would say that a healthy

21:28

Mike Williams takes

21:31

the Jets from where they're at to first

21:33

in the division. They're

21:35

in the playoffs. I mean,

21:38

hell, we knew that last

21:40

year with the guys that

21:42

they had. Defensively, this

21:44

is a top five defense last year. They were

21:47

terrible against the run. And a lot of

21:49

that is mindset when you think about it. That's

21:51

a want to. And

21:54

the reason why they probably went from

21:56

where they were against the run to

21:58

getting there, getting gassed. is because

22:00

they're looking on the other side and saying,

22:02

that's Zach Wilson. We have no hope, right?

22:05

So like, it just does something to a

22:07

defense when the offense just can't put up

22:09

points and they can't move. So I'm saying

22:11

that because they definitely have to fix some

22:13

things, but this is still a top five

22:15

defense and numbers still show that against the

22:18

pass, against yards allow, against points, etc, etc.

22:20

They're just terrible against the run and I think that's

22:22

one-two. So you

22:25

take a top five defense, you take

22:27

Aaron Rodgers, I don't give a damn, he's coming

22:29

off of Achilles. I don't care how old he is,

22:31

it's Aaron Rodgers. Okay, the

22:33

guy still has it. With

22:35

these guys, they went into vision.

22:38

Yes, over Buffalo, over Tua,

22:40

Coach McDaniels, the Miami Dolphins,

22:43

Tyree Kill, and

22:45

potentially go on that run that we thought they

22:48

could potentially go on last year. End

22:50

of year before, honestly. Right. So like- We

22:52

are sniping through in Falcons. Are

22:54

we feeling about that? You got Kirk

22:56

Cousins. I like that one. Dijon. Yeah.

22:58

You got Drake. Drake.

23:01

You got Kyle. I play with Drake at SC.

23:03

They got Kyle, they got Kirk now. He's going

23:05

to be dealing at Dijon. People forget

23:07

about Algier too. Like he's a very good complimentary bet.

23:09

Like he kind of reminds me of like the

23:11

Ricky Ronnie days. Like those are huge good starting- Look

23:13

at this guy. That was good. For

23:17

real though, that's a really, really good offense.

23:19

Interesting. Hold on. So- Maybe an honorable mention

23:21

that we see them on the field. Who's

23:23

the comparison? Who's Drake's comparison? Like

23:25

is he really high hopes?

23:28

Can he put it together? Can he become

23:31

that number one receiver, that dog receiver? Like talk

23:33

to us about him. He is. Yeah. I've never

23:35

played with a receiver who made a 50-50 ball

23:37

more of a 90-10, more than Drake. He's

23:42

never covered. Like we could throw off

23:44

his one-on-one tape at SC. It's

23:47

one of the best receiver tapes I've ever seen. It's ridiculous.

23:49

You just throw it up to Drake. Underrated

23:52

route running. I know a lot of people coming

23:54

out said he didn't have the speed that a

23:56

lot of other guys did. He was coming off

23:58

an ankle injury and all that. But he's proven

24:00

that he can have that success. And I mean

24:02

nothing against Desmond, but Desmond was his quarterback last

24:05

year It's not Kirk Cousins like Kirk Kirk was

24:07

leading the league and passing till he got injured

24:09

I got the legitimate top 15 quarterback in the

24:11

NFL. So so do we really I mean do

24:13

we do we do we really want to put? The

24:17

Atlanta Falcons on the board is one of

24:19

my my man skill groups out there I

24:21

think we might have to so you got the

24:24

Miami Dolphins No

24:26

debate there Philly no debate

24:28

there 49ers no debate there

24:30

Kansas City. I love what you said.

24:32

You just have Patrick Mahomes you get

24:35

in the conversation, right? Yeah, Oh aging

24:38

Travis Kelce you add Hollywood Brown And

24:41

they still have time in the draft

24:44

But just the roster now Patrick Mahomes

24:46

Hollywood Brown and Travis Kelce put them

24:48

in there for sure And

24:52

so the original question on this point

24:54

was are they one of the most

24:56

dynamic? Skill groups out there.

24:58

This was your question mo and I would

25:00

have to say Yes You

25:04

know Hall Mike

25:07

Williams Garrett Wilson. Yes,

25:09

Aaron. Yes Yes,

25:12

I would put them I would probably put them

25:15

at I would probably put them at I Would

25:19

put them at three because like When

25:21

I'm looking at these guys and how dynamic they are

25:24

We're talking about their skill set now when you

25:26

look at the 49ers certainly dynamic

25:28

But then you Kyle Shanahan does so

25:30

much that offense. Yeah, so

25:33

yeah, I probably go Miami San Francisco

25:35

and then third New York Philly

25:40

though, they quan Barkley. Where do

25:42

you put say quantum? Yeah, say Kwon

25:44

Smitty AJ Brown Okay,

25:46

I feel like I'm gonna love that I Feel

25:50

like we're missing I feel like I feel like we're

25:52

we're missing I feel like

25:54

we're missing a team, but it's okay I

25:57

Like this also the element of putting everything

25:59

together like. In so many good

26:01

teams on paper, on just with scheme

26:03

in coaching and like your errands. Been

26:05

out for a long time so we

26:07

don't know how is gonna respond right?

26:09

right? right? Well you can tell us

26:11

you had the Achilles the you think

26:14

that Aaron Rodgers. Will. Come back

26:16

and be himself. I. Think physically

26:18

who will and is shown it pays off

26:20

of his rehab and like the specific procedure

26:22

that he had on our same more so

26:24

in terms of timing of the office in

26:26

the quarter and gun what the guys and

26:28

knowledge is being out of rhythm for that

26:30

but physically I think you'll be I'm in

26:32

is one of the best spinners of the

26:35

football that's ever live. You know young lose

26:37

that is interesting this whole Iraq thing and

26:39

and woo tickets to the next thing Naga.

26:42

Maybe. the next thing is we lean

26:44

into most story i was do that

26:46

yet another that next but ah i

26:48

was thinking about this rate cause it

26:50

it's very is it's tough. For.

26:52

Quarterback. Was seen it

26:55

done before. But. It's the

26:57

we're talking those are anomalies. But.

26:59

It's tough for a quarterback, were

27:01

often so corny. The come in

27:04

implement a system and have massive

27:06

success in Year One, right? So

27:08

to your point, this timing thing.

27:11

I'm. What? Is it

27:13

gonna look like. And. What I thought about this

27:15

morning I was like. That. Year.

27:18

We're. Still, You. Know beneficial

27:21

for the depth of Iraq just around.

27:24

Any operate it more as a coach

27:26

he had time that get more time

27:28

to sit. What a Garrett Wilson and

27:31

these guys and hall to talk to

27:33

them about what they're seeing want to

27:35

feel when he seen gonna feel so.

27:38

I. Still think. That year

27:40

was extremely beneficial because sometimes you get

27:42

more out a mental rest in a

27:44

physical reps and and sometimes when you

27:46

sit in on a site you see

27:48

the game a little bit differently, right?

27:50

and so I think that they'll. They'll.

27:53

Probably pick up where they left off. is

27:55

not even in a better position. Couldn't camp

27:57

they was famous line hot they were get

27:59

mastered. Those guys and now you air

28:01

Mike Williams i think is is them

28:04

are getting on a same pace with

28:06

his rodgers especially against go look at

28:08

Mike Williams is tape. Were.

28:10

Talking about extremely dynamic, This is a

28:13

guy. It's probably bigger to me an

28:15

Mmo you say you don't have. He's

28:17

fast ie. may be faster because you

28:19

know since he's been in the league

28:21

I think there there there is any

28:23

one better going deep in in the

28:25

number. Say that as well. like well

28:27

have you have those numbers those stats

28:29

but the dude is dynamic out. When.

28:31

It comes to explosive plays and so all

28:33

they need to do to get on the

28:36

same page when it comes to know their

28:38

time. Yeah. Was just gonna say like

28:40

and that year he played the most games

28:42

he had a seventy too long to it.

28:45

I'm most of the longer catches the around

28:47

Thirty five, Fifty Six foot. wish it on

28:49

a bad idea. Want to point this out

28:51

though? he's not beginning, he's not. He's as

28:53

a little smaller. he sick for two eighteen

28:56

at least they have you litter Years six

28:58

five to thirty two. Author: Take this guy,

29:00

you're right. Winter while tape though the only

29:02

play exactly like like are you selling a

29:04

big guy Yeah let's get an emotionally I'll

29:07

take the Earth or Ssds almost. Oh. He

29:09

wants you to yourself you what's your support? me See

29:11

what the us up? Dead. You got

29:13

it. Low. Level of ah ha ha.

29:15

I may say I'm. Not

29:18

really everly about me say some harsh

29:20

on i wanted to load on is

29:22

doing on into my mouth Assad all

29:25

as a mall has some most on.

29:28

Tell. Us your stores or how

29:30

to have a half hour without

29:32

a guy. I decided that are

29:35

andruzzi as every the guy so

29:37

the result of those I'd mow.

29:39

We talked about your couple weeks

29:41

ago on the So I Have

29:44

Young podcast your former Vanderbilt quarterback.

29:46

He. also played in the trojans a told

29:48

me before so started he has some hopes

29:51

of getting drafted up and of words to

29:53

maybe another league right to get your journey

29:55

started into the nfl on the also mentioned

29:57

during the show which i want to talk

30:00

about like your recovery during your

30:02

injury or I don't want to talk about

30:04

that nobody wants to talk about recurring what's

30:06

up about the juicy stuff he would say

30:08

that no talk about the

30:11

stuff that's coming out of his podcast talk

30:13

about all about recovery

30:16

yeah I'll let

30:18

be get messy get up to speed get us up to

30:20

speed on what's going on yeah

30:23

but let's let's start it the first time you held

30:25

a football acting

30:31

if you guys saw the actual mafia clip my

30:33

good friend justice who played in for the Kansas

30:35

City Chiefs if you if you run back the

30:37

clip it's really funny there's a bunch of comments

30:39

about it but he's sitting next to me as

30:42

the co-host and I start telling

30:44

the story yeah and he's like I want

30:46

no parts of the story that's the funniest

30:48

part of that right BC do we have

30:50

it I should know let

30:52

me see the good find it but

30:54

it's literally the funniest part he's sitting

30:56

there and it's so uncomfortable that you

30:59

can tell he's like guys yeah

31:01

yeah he's like don't don't keep

31:03

talking about this yeah that's what

31:05

we said the same thing we're

31:09

gonna try to pull up this clip in the

31:11

soundbite for you guys and you guys listening to

31:14

the show sorry you won't be able to see

31:16

what Mo is talking about but when we played

31:18

that clip on the show I think it was

31:20

BC you said the same thing like look at

31:22

buddy buddy understand like yo I don't think we

31:24

should be talking I

31:27

call cap on it before we get to here we go

31:29

no no you got it yeah all right we're ready

31:34

I was approached at

31:37

Jason Aldean ball Nashville by the

31:39

accounting mob what's the fix

31:41

football games I don't like this sounds like a

31:43

story I need to be a part of I

31:45

want to get drinks and so I'm alone

31:47

right now I'm not with my friend group he comes up to me

31:49

wait he knew you you were yes this is already

31:52

a bad start he offered me three

31:54

hundred thousand what did you three hundred thousand dollars

31:56

he said for something like this my you

31:59

know my clients 250 to 300

32:03

K for a game the Italian

32:05

mob offered you 300 K to do we stop

32:07

saying that he said we regularly

32:10

talk to guys in your position

32:13

about fixing games he

32:15

said he named guys in the SEC

32:18

who I don't want to say their names because

32:20

they're in the NFL right now and that's a

32:22

bad deal it's a bad deal but University of

32:24

Alabama I will tell you that holy crap he

32:27

said almost every game in the SEC is rigged

32:29

much for me that's

32:32

the best part of the whole clip I think the fact that they

32:34

edited in a way where

32:38

you not paying attention to it it's so so much fun

32:40

yeah I had to keep going

32:42

so so mo you

32:45

know played at USC

32:48

the Trojans also

32:51

Vanderbilt this is where this happened in Nashville

32:54

brothers is cat bro you

32:56

think so what part of it do you think it's got

32:58

because I don't really look at the comments that much but

33:02

the ones I've seen everyone's kind of just going

33:04

off on me saying it's got which

33:06

honestly if I were you I would think it's

33:08

got to you because it sounds insane but hey

33:10

all I'm doing is I'm telling you what happened

33:13

and y'all could believe it or not that's kind

33:15

of where I'm coming from so I'm happy to

33:17

go through the story again if you want but

33:19

because there's some parts I left out but I

33:21

am curious like which part do you think it's

33:23

got well I mean I think we were discussing

33:25

this on the show then afterwards even Eric use

33:27

time dinner it's like when you think

33:29

about I guess you have

33:31

the details like if y'all took the

33:33

conversation farther then it's like all

33:36

right well I want to bet

33:38

against you know how many

33:40

interceptions thrown or you know

33:43

how how

33:45

much you guys lose but when you think about

33:47

Vanderbilt like like you know

33:49

a lot of people say the Vanderbilt thing few

33:51

things with that a there's prop

33:54

bets so you're not all about just

33:56

winning and losing there's I mean there's

33:58

anything right The

34:00

other thing is we were pretty good when I was

34:02

there. I'm not gonna lie the D after oh

34:04

my good Yeah after I left they went on

34:07

12, but when I was there look

34:09

like we made a bowl game We almost beat Bailey that was the

34:11

year before I believe they they

34:14

went to the big 10 champ They put a ship almost lost like

34:16

like we had a really good team with a lot of guys in

34:18

the league Like

34:20

almost every conference team we only got blown out

34:23

one game against Georgia That was a really good

34:25

UGA team, but this was a talented

34:27

Vanderbilt team So I know like it's easy to hate on

34:29

the school and all that But

34:31

there's yeah There's also like there's a bunch of other

34:33

elements to betting than just where the outcome of the

34:36

game Right people don't really realize so let's take it

34:38

back because you said there were some things that you

34:40

left out So tell us the story and then fill

34:42

in the gaps of the things that you left out

34:44

But what I don't want to do and I'm sorry

34:47

guys I know y'all want to use the listeners and

34:49

people may be watching this y'all want to be juicy

34:51

But I'm always here to protect the player first. So

34:53

I don't want to hear about don't give me any

34:56

names I don't want any names. Yeah,

34:58

I wasn't going okay. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool.

35:00

And if you guys out there that may

35:02

be like Well, Brandon, I don't care like

35:05

I I took some

35:07

money in college not to throw no games, but

35:09

I needed $200 to pay for some food You

35:12

know I'm saying now Neil

35:15

and you hear more athletes talking about

35:17

this stuff now, you know, it's more

35:19

accepted But bro, like this is

35:21

it's crazy what happens behind the scene now

35:23

I wasn't taking no Reggie Bush money, but

35:25

I had a couple hundred dollars here near

35:28

right So I'm always going to protect the

35:30

player first That's what I am athlete

35:32

is and so I don't want those names to come out But

35:34

I want it I want you to fill in the other gaps

35:36

though Yeah, I'll fill out as much

35:38

as I can because I'm hoping not to die

35:41

here and go. Yeah But

35:47

no security Here's

35:50

some knocking Did

35:53

he what do they look like mafia That

35:56

was he wearing bro. This

35:58

was what 20 18

36:01

or 19 so I don't remember

36:03

exactly what he was wearing but it was kind

36:06

of like a stereotypical like cartoonist look of someone

36:08

that you would think like flick black hair so

36:10

like hey if someone did want to dress up and mess

36:12

with me hey I'm the first to

36:15

say that's a complete possibility I'm just telling

36:17

you what the man told me yeah so

36:19

I'm at this bar with my friends and

36:21

my note oh go go go ahead go

36:23

ahead okay no

36:26

I'm just I'm just kind of giving you the backstory this

36:28

is after my sophomore year I was

36:30

I was the two and so I had played

36:32

and about like half our games before I got

36:34

injured and that next year I was kind of

36:36

projected to be the starter okay and so you know

36:38

that off season I went to go get drinks

36:40

and some guy came up to me and you

36:43

say you're with your friends yes

36:45

but at that point I had broken off from them to get

36:47

the drink at the bar like hey it was like okay it

36:49

was like rounds on me kind of thing okay because I was

36:51

gonna run back the clip where you said I wasn't with my

36:54

friend group okay no we

36:56

were all there together okay so the guys

36:58

who were there

37:02

with me like they they even remember the story cuz I went up

37:04

to them I was like hey you guys won't believe what happened so

37:07

anyways this guy comes up to me and he kind

37:09

of approaches me he's like hey you play a Vanderbilt

37:11

right I'm with I don't

37:13

even remember if he mentioned specifically the Italian Moffat

37:15

but he was like I'm with this kind of

37:18

organization I kind of put the pieces together we

37:20

work with guys to kind of you know rig

37:22

football games and I was like

37:24

okay you know what are

37:26

you saying that like I'm I want to get

37:28

away from the conversation but I also want to

37:30

be respectful because hey I don't know

37:33

what's gonna get knocked off to be

37:35

respectful but also I don't want to

37:37

be implicated in

37:44

something like this because my goal is obviously to

37:47

play in the NFL and so even

37:49

if it were real a 200 or 300 K cash

37:51

out and getting caught I mean obviously at the federal

37:53

crime and you know your chances at the end of

37:56

four are gone and your reputation and everything so I

37:58

did not want to be implicated to anything Smart

38:00

guy? Yeah, naturally. So,

38:04

yeah, he, he, I was actually surprised.

38:06

He mentioned that every team in our

38:08

conference, the SEC was compromised

38:11

by dealings within his organization.

38:13

Wow. Do you believe it? I

38:15

mean, I'm 50-50. I don't know. I hope

38:18

not for my sake. It will keep me safe.

38:20

Well, I'm saying like,

38:23

yeah, but it was like he named the

38:26

fact that he was naming names kind

38:28

of made it more seem like it was likely, you

38:30

know what I'm saying? Like he had the receipts for

38:32

it. Yeah. Yeah.

38:35

Yeah. And specific instances and specific names and

38:38

schools. I probably shouldn't

38:40

have said Alabama in that clip because my Twitter

38:42

mentions with those banner guys and they

38:44

don't play around, man. They're crazy. The

38:46

band of guys meaning the fans or the players? No, the fans. Okay.

38:50

But it's every team in that conference that

38:52

he said. And you know,

38:54

at the end of the day, I mean, who knows?

38:56

But that's what happened. Do you,

38:58

because I mean, for some time

39:00

now in this fandal, the sports

39:02

gambling stuff since it's been made

39:05

legal in most states, it's

39:09

taken off and it's always been a huge

39:11

part of sports culture

39:15

underground, billions exchanged

39:17

every year. And

39:19

so since it's really been, you

39:22

know, you know,

39:25

legal, there's been

39:27

a lot of challenges. So my question for you is,

39:29

is sports

39:32

betting ruining sports? I

39:36

mean, if what he said is true, then yeah, but

39:39

we don't know. Right.

39:41

Now there's some suspicious incidents like the, I was

39:43

going to troll. Actually, I was going to post

39:45

a video talking about the Alabama center who messed

39:48

up that. You remember when they played Michigan? No,

39:50

it was that overtime play where it was a bad

39:52

snap. And then they lost. Oh,

39:55

where they had the quarterback draw. No, I don't

39:57

know. Those

40:00

of people in the comments I know like a

40:02

funny thing I've got a troll for his I

40:04

said that I would be able to stuff and

40:06

Alabama love it I know the over heavy oh

40:08

you are boys on flair and I love our

40:10

them now nothing as other home. But.

40:13

You're obviously that's the case and everything's

40:15

have. Rather be crazy women. Were there

40:17

any threats? And. All since you're not

40:19

going to take the deal with delay. hey

40:21

you know So I the I didn't tell

40:23

him I would or wouldn't he game his

40:25

phone number. And. Some it

40:27

sucks and he invited me to dinner with

40:29

like the other people his okay like let's

40:31

let's follow up with this. I want you

40:33

to me everyone within this organization and I

40:35

continue talking business in a more for more

40:38

like dinner sense because allowed bars can't really

40:40

run indicated clearly as you can I want

40:42

to one or some under and I mean

40:44

I have the tax on my phone He

40:46

texted thin I didn't respond. So

40:48

you didn't go to dinner. And house

40:50

okay good are good smart. I don't

40:53

know what it can be viewed as

40:55

a as a library. You're in a

40:57

real job when I am talking right

41:00

now. You see this is not doesn't

41:02

say announced crazy I told my boys

41:04

and they're like yards nuts. And

41:06

we just have gone like as as as

41:09

a matter of fact and then not part

41:11

as couples that on say a while ago

41:13

as like three years ago and surprise a

41:15

resurface in that really death last three years.

41:18

The damn that's an offer us is. What?

41:20

Do you think if the thing that guy might

41:22

have seen a video clip he would he be?

41:24

He's thinking. Sir.

41:27

Are no. Fear who's the other thing

41:29

people said was could have been and suitably

41:31

sting operation was around interesting cause us to

41:33

yeah laggard with a column my private shoppers

41:35

my would aid. They. do stuff intentionally

41:38

to see what the employees or a

41:40

football there is i know yeah messages

41:42

food as and you know when an

41:44

error handler actually called me like a

41:46

like two or three days ago they

41:48

left a message hope so someone in

41:50

the a suitably have the personnel have

41:52

my for her play it a habit

41:54

of ah ha ha ha ha way

41:56

of life for my god did you

41:58

could actually a daddy tyler Hold

42:00

on, I'm not violating anything. Bro, I can't help

42:02

it. That was the story. I didn't do any-

42:04

I don't want to be too much involved in

42:07

it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, your ass shouldn't have

42:09

talked about it. I was not, like, really serious.

42:11

Please, I want to hear it. Alright, it's from

42:13

Indianapolis. I guess that's where the headquarters is or

42:15

something. Oh, you gotta play it

42:17

right in front of you. Should I? Okay, he says,

42:20

hey, Mo, this is name X. Don't put their name-

42:22

Yeah, so just fast forward until- Yeah,

42:24

yeah, yeah. I don't want to, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

42:27

We don't want to be violating anything. I'm gonna fast

42:29

forward a little bit. I'm gonna fast forward a little

42:31

bit. Five seconds in. We're

42:34

talking with Whiskey Ref regarding

42:38

somebody approaching you to fix

42:41

games. We wanted to just follow up

42:43

with that if you have a chance. Please

42:45

give me calls, 463-269-0235. Yeah.

42:50

Well, we're at least doing our job. That's good. Yeah.

42:53

Good job, NCAA. You guys get a- Definitely.

42:55

Yeah, my agent was like, yeah, you can't talk about this

42:57

at any point. Like, you should have told

43:00

the school. You should have reported it. And I was like,

43:02

bro, I'm like 19, 20, man. Like, some guy came up

43:04

to me. Like, it happened. I honestly

43:06

didn't even put much thought into it. I probably should

43:08

have. Just naive and young. And I was

43:11

like, you know, we're having fun at a ball.

43:13

I was like, damn, that's crazy. Let's keep going.

43:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where are the girls at, you

43:17

know? Right, right, right. Well, it's interesting, right, because

43:19

I mean, what we've seen, there

43:21

was, I think, the Iowa kids, there was

43:24

some college football team. There was a bunch

43:26

of guys that was suspended before last football

43:28

season. And then the NFL got the Detroit

43:30

Lions got hit, even Calvin Ridley. He

43:33

was suspended for a year. So

43:35

there's not for fixing games, but for

43:37

participating in sports betting. Yeah. And

43:40

so you got to think about it. These kids

43:42

coming from all over the place, different walks of

43:44

life. And a lot of these

43:46

kids come from nothing. You

43:48

know, just imagine being a freshman or

43:50

sophomore being approached. I

43:53

can see people being compromised. I

43:55

can see the game being compromised,

43:58

especially, you know. When

44:01

you sitting in this situation now and

44:04

your mom is at home and she's like,

44:06

baby, send me back your Pell Grant because

44:08

I'm about to get evicted. Like, what do

44:10

you do? Yeah, if

44:12

it's a situation like that. Well, now with NIL,

44:14

it makes things a little bit better. But who

44:16

look up? I think Temple just

44:19

got caught in an investigation for basketball, which

44:21

isn't even like a big program, but they

44:23

were setting, they were in a

44:25

situation like this where they were rigging games too. Yeah,

44:28

they were. So like everyone

44:30

in my comments saying this is fake, like this

44:32

happens. I don't know if this individual was legit

44:34

or not. I have zero

44:37

clue, but obviously it does happen.

44:39

There's investigations going on. I believe that it

44:41

happens for sure. I mean, it's been, I

44:43

mean, it happened before you. You go back,

44:45

there's right, there's some, some

44:47

of these referees and

44:49

there's, I mean, these stories

44:51

have come out of, Yeah, with the NBA. NBA,

44:54

NBA refs have come, yeah, they've

44:56

been compromised, accused of

44:58

throwing games or found convicted of throwing

45:00

games. That's right. NCAA,

45:03

it's happened in college basketball, college

45:05

footballs. It's happened for sure. I

45:08

mean, this should push the conversation forward

45:10

even more on how do

45:12

we compensate our guys. And I've said

45:14

this when, NIL, that

45:19

law was passed, right, where,

45:22

where now our college athletes

45:24

can monetize their name, image,

45:27

and likeness. But it was a band-aid. Why

45:29

was it a band-aid? Because what we're saying

45:31

is, and maybe you can shed light on

45:33

this process and how it works, but it's

45:36

like, all right, guys, you can now go

45:38

make money off your name, image, likeness. Go

45:41

have at it. Now these are 18

45:43

year olds, 19 year olds now trying to

45:46

negotiate deals, trying to find

45:48

deals, right? But what about

45:51

the TV? How do they tap

45:53

into the TV rights and the TV money,

45:55

right? Because that's where the bulk of the

45:57

money come from. What about concessions? jersey

46:00

sales and all these other things out there are little

46:02

things where it's like you know you saw what Madden

46:04

everybody gets what a $500 check if you participate

46:07

something whack like that but

46:10

the bulk of this money they're still

46:13

they still don't have access to and

46:15

that's where this unionizing thing comes in

46:17

a play which is extremely hard if

46:19

they do that then there's a real

46:22

conversation of athletes making real money going

46:24

back to north-northeastern northwestern

46:26

northwestern trying to do it back in 2015

46:28

2016 the same the same school

46:34

yeah right yeah so led by their

46:36

quarterback and that's a real thing this is

46:38

just a band-aid and I think this is just this

46:41

is just surface level right now we talked

46:43

about name image likeness the bulk of this

46:45

money is coming from TV deals and concessions

46:47

which our guys don't have access to yeah

46:50

I'm curious how you would have handled like

46:52

the NIL era or like even well

46:54

NIL is different but like if someone like that would have came

46:56

up to you would be like the least amount you would take

46:59

yeah well I mean I probably have been like

47:01

you I wouldn't have taken anything because

47:03

I love the game so much and my

47:06

vision like

47:08

a lot of people yeah I might say

47:10

some like I might freaking like yeah 10

47:13

mil though I'm not like

47:15

listen when it comes to integrity like I

47:17

mean I've made my mistakes

47:21

in the past you know

47:23

and I'm a little disruptive at time

47:27

but when it comes to that type of stuff I'm you

47:30

know I just I don't play with that type of

47:32

stuff yeah right that's just who I am as a

47:34

person now

47:36

like I said before if a booster came up to me

47:38

and say here's $250 $300 I'm taking that for sure give

47:43

me that I'm taking that but

47:45

to throw a game to cheat I'm

47:48

not even getting I'm not even getting close

47:50

to that and cuz I'm not just because

47:52

of like the thought of being league-bound and

47:54

not messing that up is just more so

47:56

from an integrity standpoint so I

48:00

feel like I couldn't even like if I did play a

48:02

sport like that I don't even know how to throw a

48:04

game like I would look so awkward trying to throw it

48:06

because I play with all effort Right, right. I would look

48:09

like I'm going to throw again. They could be like over

48:11

under on fumbles you play running back Hey, I need you

48:13

to fumble in the second quarter come out the whole like

48:17

Right, this is why people talk about the script.

48:19

This is why the script is you know big

48:22

as well because Some people

48:25

may be out here actually, you know influence,

48:27

you know and throwing games and doing

48:29

doing silly shit just to influence

48:33

the outcome of a game so Do

48:35

you remember those video clips we were looking

48:37

at a couple weeks ago? I showed you

48:39

one be where they're like, oh, yeah, he

48:42

is like making fun of it Yeah, like

48:44

Patrick Mahomes is running and then the guy

48:46

that's coming to tackle him just turns left

48:48

and just holds the other wide receive The

48:50

the cornerback holds the wide receiver. Right? Patrick

48:52

Mahomes gone. That's right So like it does

48:54

kind of have that script ish field

48:57

some sports be like you and I we love the

48:59

game We've been playing since we were like five six

49:01

years old Like we have this kind of like moral

49:03

code with it Like we put our heart and soul

49:05

into it But at the end of the day, this

49:07

is a billion dollar business is a business before it

49:09

is a game And when you have that much money

49:11

involved, is there a chance that

49:13

there's some fuckery going on behind the scenes 100% huge

49:17

What did they say? Where

49:19

there's money there's corruption So

49:23

for sure 100% 100%

49:26

there's people that's been influenced like BC

49:28

said and like you said, there's people

49:30

that's definitely compromised This whole nail Conversation

49:33

is interesting. What's been your experience around

49:35

it? It's been really cool.

49:37

Actually in like even on

49:39

some elements that people wouldn't even think like

49:41

charity So like I started a nonprofit like

49:44

three years ago And I couldn't put my

49:46

face to fundraise anything and then

49:48

like even something dumb like that like hey I'm trying to

49:50

help people. I'm trying to like be the homeless That's what

49:52

my nonprofit does and so like hey, we were able to

49:54

do that and raise tens of thousands of dollars because of

49:56

NIO Now that before you

49:58

couldn't do it. You couldn't even and do something like that.

50:00

Where I would go up to compliance and be like, hey,

50:02

I'm literally trying to raise money for my charity and

50:05

just post it on my Twitter account or attach my

50:07

likeness to it, my name, image, and likeness. They're like,

50:09

no, you can't. So it was cool to

50:11

actually see, to be in college,

50:14

pre-annual and post-annual, to see how different it

50:16

is, and dudes pulling up in Lambos and

50:18

Porsches. Before dudes, I

50:20

mean, dudes weren't going hungry. It wasn't like

50:22

the Shabazz Napier days, remember like, hey man,

50:24

this was fun. Yeah, because your ass was

50:26

at USC. That's why, you know, we're going home.

50:28

You call basketballs big though. Well,

50:30

oh, they were growing hungry? Yeah, you didn't

50:33

hear about Shabazz Napier? Shabazz Napier. They changed the dining

50:35

hall rules because he was the star basketball player. I

50:37

think he went first or second round. Led them to like

50:39

a really deep run in the tournament. He was like,

50:41

hey, I'm going to bed hungry. So they had to change

50:43

the rules because of that. And then now it's gone

50:45

complete 180, where, you know, I'm

50:47

at dudes' penthouses in downtown LA where

50:50

it's like, you know, 10 a month.

50:52

Really? Yeah, it's crazy, man. But

50:55

I think it's good, guys deserve it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give

50:57

us some of the cool things that you've seen. Like

50:59

you just named like penthouses. Like can you like elaborate

51:01

a little bit more on that? Penthouses, lambos. Yeah, well,

51:04

Simon, that was the craziest thing you see. Like what

51:06

the hell is this guy doing? Keep in mind, they're

51:08

19 and 20. Right. That's

51:11

all I keep thinking about with that. I see is kind

51:13

of like almost like the height of that because you're LA.

51:15

And then like Caleb, I was with Caleb when he won

51:17

the Heisman. So I mean, this

51:20

dude was like kind of like Johnny

51:22

Manziel, rock star esque. But like honestly,

51:24

like Caleb doesn't really go out like

51:26

Johnny. So he had the aura

51:29

of Johnny, but there wasn't like the drinking and

51:31

going out to his point. Now

51:33

if Drake invites into a concert on stage, yeah, he's

51:35

going to be there. So like he would

51:37

like do things like that. Like we'd be up at

51:39

his apartment, downtown LA, which

51:41

was beautiful. So like, yeah, the

51:43

days of dorms are over, bro. You got like a

51:46

nice sleep. You got like three, four whips, bring

51:48

a different car to walkthroughs every day. Like, bro,

51:50

we just got seven on. Like dude's pulling up

51:52

in a Lambo or something. Is this

51:54

every player? No,

51:57

I mean, like he was the best

51:59

player. Okay. The ones with the name.

52:03

How far down that list is the

52:05

NIL hit? Guys are getting car deals.

52:07

Like every scholarship football player at Utah

52:09

got a new truck. Yeah.

52:12

Okay. So there's different kind of things

52:14

like that. Yeah, yeah. Different ways to

52:16

get into that mix of NIL so you get a

52:19

truck, you might get a year of groceries, you might

52:21

get a penthouse in downtown LA with a Lambo. But

52:23

it becomes pay for play and there's a lot of gray

52:26

area behind that. I don't know how y'all feel about that.

52:28

That was like the whole Nick Saban thing when he went

52:30

to Congress. And it's probably a big reason

52:32

why he left college football in general because just the

52:34

landscape is different. Like now, I mean, were they paying

52:36

guys before? Probably, but now it's just everything. Yeah,

52:39

it was on the table. Now it's more upfront.

52:42

But I do have a concern

52:44

with too much NIL kind

52:46

of, I wouldn't

52:48

say ruining the game, but maybe

52:51

messing with guys drive, you

52:53

know, to get to the next level

52:55

and actually stay focused because if you

52:57

got too many guys and they're all

52:59

worried about the Lambos and the girls

53:01

and the this and the that and

53:03

I got so much money and pop

53:05

pop pop. Does

53:07

it take away some of the some

53:10

of the drive to excel at

53:12

the next level to get to the NFL?

53:14

Well, I'm gonna go to the NFL. I'm

53:16

making as much as a as a minimum

53:18

player in the NFL right now. I'm not

53:21

stressing getting there too fast. You know what

53:23

I mean? Practice. I'm I'm getting money. So

53:25

I don't know. But

53:28

but that's their problem. They'll be. Yeah,

53:30

yeah. I see that as an

53:32

opportunity. And whenever you transition into something new,

53:34

there's always going to be a little dysfunction.

53:36

There's going to be a little chaos. There's

53:38

going to be some mishaps and some mistakes.

53:40

Right. So going from athletes

53:43

not being able to make money at

53:46

the college level to now being able to

53:48

monetize their name image likeness. It's

53:50

going to be a bit of a process before

53:52

it gets smooth. Right.

53:55

So they're working

53:57

their ass off and like most it's

53:59

a multi-billion, you said billion

54:01

dollar industry, it's actually a multi-billion dollar

54:03

industry, so add a few more B's.

54:06

Why aren't these kids participating in that? So

54:09

the what I how I look at this

54:11

is like my son, let's implement my son

54:13

now in this space. I say if

54:15

I had my son was of age and he was

54:17

in college, we're getting to the money and

54:20

so that's on him,

54:24

his mom and dad, the people

54:26

that we put around him to make

54:29

sure that he has the infrastructure to

54:31

run his business. Right? So now that

54:33

separating families which is that's

54:35

just what it is capitalism is America,

54:38

right? It's separating families who not a

54:40

run a business or not, right?

54:42

And then also it separates the kids. Do you

54:44

want to be great or not and what

54:46

level do you want to reach? So if

54:49

you're only concerned with making

54:51

money and driving

54:54

Lambos, then you are right. It

54:56

is going to affect your game and you probably won't

54:58

make it. That's on you. But it

55:01

separates the ones that got

55:04

it and the ones that don't and

55:06

so I see it as an opportunity and it's

55:08

just like now we just got to get to

55:10

the business and have an

55:12

understanding a little quicker than before because

55:15

even at when you get

55:17

drafted some shady McCoy was drafted at 20 or

55:19

21 or some of these guys like drafted

55:21

extremely young but even at

55:23

22 you still are

55:26

for the most part young and immature

55:28

when it comes to everything you're walking

55:30

into. So now we just got to

55:32

expedite that learning curve a little faster

55:34

to where it's like all

55:36

right we got to understand this we got

55:39

to understand how to manage our money we

55:41

got to understand taxation we got to understand

55:43

investment we got to understand how to hire

55:45

people fire people but it is a it's

55:47

already a process for these young professional athletes

55:51

so now we just got to move that up a little bit that's how

55:53

I look at that. I also want to

55:55

push back on that Nick Saban thing man like I

55:57

think he just looks like BC you probably

55:59

know this reference he looks like Metallica when

56:01

Napster came out like you gotta

56:04

just adjust bro like I'm sorry but at the end

56:06

of the day this is not going nowhere there

56:08

was tons of kids before that

56:11

had broken bones

56:13

whatever the case may have been and never made it

56:15

to the league you get what I'm saying and if

56:17

anything to Brandon's point I think that this might help

56:20

them I mean obviously gonna have

56:22

the mess in the beginning right BC like you're gonna always

56:24

have those people who like they can't even

56:26

take this Gucci glasses off they be on the

56:28

field throwing the ball they catching the ball with

56:30

the glad I they just they out of there

56:33

they not even gonna be successful like that but

56:35

then eventually you're gonna realize like now instead of

56:37

waiting till you get to the league to be

56:39

financially responsible you're gonna come into the league financially

56:41

responsible I think that's what ultimately

56:43

will happen with the NIL it'll teach these young

56:46

guys how to manage it and now

56:48

I'm all about grow up I'm all

56:50

about yeah I'm all about them getting

56:52

money get to the bag I'm just also

56:55

mindful of what

56:57

you know it may do to some of the athletes you

56:59

know what I mean instead of like that drive of like

57:02

damn I want to get to the league and and show

57:05

out and I'm gonna break this record and I'm chasing

57:07

this guy and you know it may take some of

57:09

that away but like B said is gonna separate the

57:11

you know who got it and who don't you know

57:13

what I mean because that mentality is

57:15

gonna be there regardless whether you got ten

57:17

dollars in your pocket or ten million you know what I

57:20

mean right so speaking of next

57:22

level let's get a little bit back

57:24

into the most story like what is the

57:26

future holding for you like what is your

57:29

plans lay it out for us let us

57:31

know and hopefully someone's out there listening

57:33

and can recruit yeah

57:35

for sure so I was with the Tennessee Titans

57:37

in training camp this past year okay and it

57:39

didn't work out I'm a free agent right now

57:41

and so I actually just threw Miami Pro Day

57:43

on Monday in front of all 32 teams a

57:46

few head coaches GM so just getting myself out

57:48

there I've got some more workouts

57:50

with teams coming up as well but like I

57:52

was telling Brandon before we started like Brandon's been

57:55

a huge inspiration in the media space and

57:57

there weren't a lot of well I guess you weren't an active player at

57:59

the time but But there weren't a lot of guys

58:01

doing what you're doing, being so open in this

58:03

new media space. And so this was

58:06

2020 when I first started my platform, you were doing

58:08

your thing with the guys and it kind

58:11

of proved that you can do it and people

58:13

want to listen to what the guys are saying

58:15

versus tuning into a more of a traditional outlet.

58:19

And so that inspired me, it really

58:21

did in some funny footsteps. Wow, that

58:23

means a lot. It's always cool hearing

58:25

those stories and how

58:28

we influenced just

58:30

a, I say this

58:32

humbly man, but we really started a movement. You

58:35

know, and it was just God and it was

58:38

just the timing of it. I had a gut,

58:41

I had just a

58:43

feeling and really I was

58:45

just trying to keep my team together on

58:48

the house of athletes side. And

58:50

we had, we

58:52

just invested 50,000 into equipment

58:55

and I had this social media team and

58:57

I was like, all right, how do I keep my team together? Because I

58:59

didn't feel, I couldn't

59:02

sleep at night knowing that I'm

59:04

sleeping in on

59:06

a ranch pretty much 12,000 square

59:08

foot home. And

59:11

I got, I have toilet paper and I have everything

59:13

I need and it was damn near vacation. And the

59:15

people that was in the trenches with me for a

59:17

couple of years, I'm like, you just believe in what

59:19

I'm building a house of athlete. Believe, come on, come

59:21

on, come on. And then when shit hit the fan,

59:24

it's like, all right, every man for themself, every woman

59:26

for themself. And I was like, no, not my team.

59:29

So the play

59:32

on I Am Athlete was really just to

59:34

sell a show to keep, like try to

59:36

get some money coming in. I

59:39

don't know why I thought that because it takes like

59:41

a year, two years, sometimes even

59:43

longer to put the deal together

59:46

and get that revenue coming in.

59:49

But that was my thought, I'm going to sell a show

59:51

and it's going to be able to go to funding my

59:54

purpose and my passion. And then it turns into a

59:56

social cultural phenomenon. But I was just talking to someone

59:58

last night who was actually Reese, Eric, about

1:00:00

this. And it was like we all

1:00:02

participated and what came to be,

1:00:05

I was just that quarterback, right? Like, all right,

1:00:07

let's go this way. Or I'm listening to this

1:00:09

person and this sounds good or this doesn't sound

1:00:11

good. And we just stayed

1:00:13

consistent and it really launched

1:00:15

a movement. And there's so many people, men

1:00:18

and women, that come up to me and

1:00:20

like, you know, you inspired this

1:00:22

or can I get your advice? It just happened

1:00:24

to me this past weekend at

1:00:27

my nine year old seven on seven game,

1:00:29

you know, right here in Weston, a

1:00:31

lady came up to me and was like, my husband told

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me to walk up to you and I just need your

1:00:36

advice. You know, I do like couples matchmaking

1:00:41

and I have this perspective and he said I

1:00:43

need to start a podcast. What do you think,

1:00:45

right? And so it's really

1:00:47

cool because we definitely started a movement and

1:00:50

there's so many people, whether, you

1:00:52

know, in front of the camera that was

1:00:54

launched off of I am Manly or behind

1:00:57

the camera, like so many people from

1:00:59

creators like Keyon, right?

1:01:02

Keyon, we convinced Keyon, you

1:01:05

know, not to go to nursing school and he

1:01:07

went from making $20,000 in a pandemic to

1:01:12

hitting well over, I don't

1:01:14

wanna put his butt out there but he's six figures now.

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1:01:19

thousand. I would say that like, you know, someone

1:01:21

like that to a Channing Crowder, Channing Crowder, I

1:01:23

just saw something, you know, your boy,

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Caleb, we'll talk about him in a second. I

1:01:28

just saw something with Channing Crowder where he's

1:01:30

now doing standup comedy. And this is

1:01:33

the guy I was sitting down with and I was like, yo bro, take

1:01:35

care of your teeth, get your teeth

1:01:37

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1:01:39

could be the black version of Joe

1:01:41

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1:01:43

massive. He's doing a phenomenal job and

1:01:45

also mainstream, not just digital. So he's

1:01:47

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1:01:49

he's also getting linear deals and he's

1:01:51

also investing in himself. So it

1:01:53

was definitely an interesting time for

1:01:56

us for sure. So I

1:01:58

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the thing is, it's like, you know, in NFL

1:04:46

and you'll learn this, and I pray that you

1:04:49

get your shot, you know, so good

1:04:51

luck, keep working. I know you're working, and

1:04:54

I would love to see you out there. I think

1:04:56

you can be an asset, like this your mindset

1:04:59

and your maturity. You can be an asset to

1:05:01

any locker room. But

1:05:04

it's a, when you get to that level, what we

1:05:06

always say is it's a copycat league, right?

1:05:08

So like, I'm watching, you know,

1:05:11

Larry Fitzgerald and Terrell Owens, you know,

1:05:13

how did they get in their break?

1:05:15

How did they do that release versus

1:05:17

this guy? Or even, you know, offenses,

1:05:19

offenses, and you know this too. Oh,

1:05:21

this worked against the Green Bay Packers.

1:05:23

This worked against the New York football

1:05:25

Giants. Let's take that same concept. If

1:05:27

you go three by one, this put

1:05:29

this person in a bind. So now

1:05:32

this is open, right? So we're going

1:05:34

to do the same thing. Copycat league.

1:05:36

Okay, even players, we watch each other.

1:05:38

Tom Brady, TB 12. What's that method?

1:05:40

Let me start eating avocado ice cream

1:05:42

too. Shit, he played 20 years. So

1:05:45

I'm saying that because even in this

1:05:47

space, we're still learning

1:05:50

from each other, competing against each other

1:05:52

in a lot of good ways, the health

1:05:54

and healthy ways. So for me, LeBron

1:05:56

and those guys, we're doing something more

1:05:58

linear and traditional. So I sat back and

1:06:01

I watched them and I'm like, what can I take from

1:06:03

them? What can I learn from them? And

1:06:05

so their setting was the barbershop

1:06:07

and our setting I said, OK, well,

1:06:09

what's the next thing today? So let's

1:06:11

go in the restaurant. Right. So that's

1:06:13

how, you know, we started creating our swaggers like,

1:06:16

all right, they're in a barbershop. We're going to

1:06:18

go into a restaurant setting and we're going to

1:06:20

our our placing is around

1:06:22

food. Right. So

1:06:24

I'm saying that because they inspired

1:06:26

me, you know, and we

1:06:29

just took something and did it differently,

1:06:31

you know, embed on ourselves. And then

1:06:33

it became the social, cultural phenomenon. And

1:06:35

now you're seeing people really

1:06:37

take things and move to another level. And

1:06:39

so go ahead. I'm just going to say

1:06:41

be. But the one thing you I don't

1:06:43

think giving yourself enough credit for. And of

1:06:45

course, fans, I'm not trying to make him

1:06:48

pat himself on the back more. But let's

1:06:50

go. Let's go, baby. Give yourself flowers day,

1:06:52

baby. That's right. Flowers day. Yes. Let's go.

1:06:54

The pie. Oh, yeah. Your aesthetic is

1:06:57

completely different from all other podcasts. And

1:06:59

if anything, if it looks like it

1:07:01

now, then they probably got it from.

1:07:03

That's right. Which is like that very

1:07:05

clean, very nice angled camera angles, very

1:07:07

like mystique. It's very

1:07:09

mystique around the way that we

1:07:11

set up our podcast. So yeah, I think

1:07:14

you definitely deserve more credit because I've seen

1:07:16

you off camera having these discussions. And

1:07:18

I just want to give you that credit right

1:07:20

there. Yeah, no, I mean, and that's really a

1:07:23

testament to you guys. You know, you know, I

1:07:25

am and you're taking it and executing against it

1:07:27

and then taking it to a whole nother level.

1:07:29

But that's that's what we tried to do is

1:07:34

we try to take something

1:07:37

traditional and

1:07:39

HBO Netflix quality to

1:07:42

Instagram and YouTube. It's

1:07:44

like even these mics like this works for the sports

1:07:46

show. But this would this is there's

1:07:49

no chance to throw up. We walk on to

1:07:51

our weekly show and say and we have these

1:07:53

microphones. It's like no chance. Go get go get

1:07:55

lost. Like I want this to feel and look

1:07:57

like, you know, HBO quality.

1:08:00

show time quality and that's what it

1:08:02

was. And

1:08:05

that's where a lot of people can separate and

1:08:07

even for you, right? Like as you're building out

1:08:09

your platform and thinking through this, you just, it's

1:08:11

like ball. Like think about being the best. It's

1:08:14

like, I want the best audio quality. I want

1:08:16

the best camera. Forget that damn Canon 500. I

1:08:19

want a red. I want a, you know,

1:08:21

what's the other one they call with an A that

1:08:23

they like? Ari. Ari, give me a

1:08:25

Ari. Ari. How the hell we get that $300,000

1:08:28

camera? Like that's why you

1:08:30

gotta be, you gotta be a little bit deluged about it.

1:08:32

You got a Noah guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, no, you

1:08:34

gotta figure it out. Well, it's also

1:08:36

being savvy. We did a deal with

1:08:38

red, right? Off of this, like

1:08:40

this is how you gotta think. So

1:08:43

off of what y'all saying, I went to red

1:08:45

and I said, all

1:08:48

right, we created a template and a

1:08:50

movement. Everybody's watching what we're doing. So

1:08:53

by them watching, I can sell

1:08:56

your cameras. How?

1:09:00

If I can integrate you in a show, if

1:09:02

you see the pre-roll and you

1:09:04

see, that's why we do the pre-roll the way we

1:09:06

did the pre-roll, season four, and

1:09:08

you show behind the scenes, our guys setting

1:09:10

up the cameras and we get in those

1:09:12

shots of our equipment, the people like you

1:09:14

that's watching, that's trying to mimic us, we'll

1:09:16

be like, oh, I gotta get that camera.

1:09:19

So we did a deal with red where they gave us

1:09:21

the cameras for free. Yeah. Just,

1:09:24

you understand? So there's a whole nother level to

1:09:26

it. And so we can go out there and

1:09:28

put out, and I'm giving y'all sauce, I'm giving

1:09:31

y'all tea right now. This

1:09:33

is real game. So

1:09:35

you can go out there, you

1:09:38

can go out there and produce a great

1:09:40

product. We're always good at product. And

1:09:43

even as athletes, we're good

1:09:45

at being a commodity, but

1:09:47

can you monetize that

1:09:49

product? Can you monetize that commodity?

1:09:52

How do you do it? That's

1:09:54

where everybody's gonna start separating themselves is

1:09:56

in the biz dev side. And that

1:09:59

takes time. It's a beast.

1:10:01

It's a monster. You got to

1:10:03

be relentless. If you can't

1:10:05

do it, you got to put people around you to

1:10:07

be able to bring in those deals, see those opportunities.

1:10:10

But that's where we have to start thinking as athletes

1:10:12

as well that's investing in our own platforms or own

1:10:14

podcasts. It's like, all right, how do I get everything

1:10:16

out of that? You can't just sit back and wait

1:10:18

for someone to throw you a deal. You got to

1:10:20

see the opportunities. But it's

1:10:22

interesting. Y'all brought that up because I was like, all right, I'm

1:10:24

going to monetize this move. I'm going to monetize this. Somehow, somewhere,

1:10:26

I'm going to bring in partners. Y'all want

1:10:29

to take that aesthetic. Now

1:10:31

we change this camera and we're going to be like, take

1:10:33

a note. All right, let me go to, so I take

1:10:35

that, boom, and we put it out there. Absolutely.

1:10:38

Most people wouldn't think that. That's a

1:10:40

business savvy that I think a

1:10:42

lot of people, if they don't know, you don't

1:10:44

realize that you have that's been, I mean, there's

1:10:46

the charisma and that's being able to speak on

1:10:49

camera, but there's the behind the scenes that people

1:10:51

don't see. Like creating the

1:10:53

ecosystem of the gym, like it's probably

1:10:55

the single most beautiful gym I've ever

1:10:57

trained in is right here. Yeah. Like

1:11:00

just the recovery room itself is nuts.

1:11:02

The yoga room, like I tried to explain

1:11:04

to people, like I don't know if we

1:11:06

could put up a photo or something, but

1:11:08

it feels like you're in the mountains of

1:11:11

Thailand while you're doing a downward facing dog.

1:11:13

I don't know how you come. I'm

1:11:16

telling you, it's mind blowing, man. And

1:11:18

then it's almost like every jock's dream,

1:11:20

at least my dream to have your

1:11:23

own facility like this. And then a studio

1:11:25

down here, just be able to chop it up with the boy. Like

1:11:28

literally like if I had

1:11:30

this in 10 years, I'd be the happiest person on the planet. Can

1:11:33

we cut that right there? I

1:11:35

need that cut. Oh, Mari, Ryan, and I'm

1:11:37

gonna take that and I'm gonna send this

1:11:39

to all the partners that I've been talking

1:11:41

to to try to get them here. Thank

1:11:44

you. You just put me in position. That's

1:11:46

two more deals that we're gonna close because of what

1:11:48

you just said. This is what I tell everybody. Thank

1:11:52

you. Thank you. I was talking to

1:11:55

Derek Jeter this morning. I ain't gonna give

1:11:57

too much information. And I've also had this

1:11:59

conversation with. Tom Brady, who we partner with.

1:12:01

Tom Brady's never been in this facility, but

1:12:03

we partner with the TV club, it's all

1:12:05

over. And I'm like, if you just walk

1:12:08

into the facility, you

1:12:10

can't explain it, you just gotta feel it. And

1:12:13

you can understand it, because it's

1:12:15

definitely amazing, but we built this in

1:12:17

real time. And it wasn't just me,

1:12:19

you know, I'm certainly, I'm bullish on

1:12:22

what I want and my vision, but

1:12:24

there's been people that's challenged me. There's

1:12:27

been people that came up with, you know,

1:12:29

ideas. And I'll talk about some of those

1:12:31

as well. But

1:12:33

we built it in real time. I'm more of

1:12:35

an activator, an activator is somebody who's comfortable starting,

1:12:39

right? You have a road. An

1:12:41

activator is somebody who will start walking down

1:12:43

that road, jogging down

1:12:46

that road, sprinting down that road

1:12:48

with no plan, no

1:12:50

strategy. We're gonna figure it out. I just know what's

1:12:52

at the end of this thing. How we get there.

1:12:55

I don't know what cars may come, what

1:12:57

beer may cross the damn road. I

1:12:59

don't know if fucking deer might come out of

1:13:02

nowhere. I don't know. We

1:13:05

get there. Both are gonna come down

1:13:07

the side of the mountain. I don't

1:13:10

know, but go, right? And so I

1:13:12

say that because that's disruption and

1:13:14

sometimes innovations in that. And

1:13:17

you figure out as you go, you know, if you're

1:13:19

more of a strategist, you gotta have, before you even go

1:13:21

down a road, you gotta have a plan, right?

1:13:24

And both worked, both worked.

1:13:26

And so we built this thing in real

1:13:28

time. Like our

1:13:30

dope, some of our dopest stuff has

1:13:33

been going. Gave you an example. I

1:13:36

am athlete, like where I was like,

1:13:38

all right, this is our lane. Christina,

1:13:42

she was on our social team to tell

1:13:45

the story of House of athletes. Jones? Yes,

1:13:47

Christina Jones. So we're about to

1:13:49

do an episode, we're about to do a

1:13:52

show. And she's like, here's a dope

1:13:54

question that we should ask. We were first like

1:13:56

leaning into sports, kind of like what Paperout is

1:13:58

now. Let's make a sports show. right?

1:14:01

Nothing happening, right? And

1:14:04

then Christina's like, just, well, why don't we do

1:14:06

like, uh, ask the question of who's the top

1:14:08

five rappers ever? Right? So,

1:14:10

so we do that. And then we have this

1:14:12

moment on the show where Channing's like, we

1:14:15

talk about Kanye West and he's like, he

1:14:17

made a song about gold diggers and

1:14:19

he went and married a gold digger.

1:14:23

And it went crazy. And then they, the

1:14:25

clips that we put out on social and

1:14:27

engagement we get. And then we were like,

1:14:29

Oh, that's it. We got

1:14:31

to lean more into the culture talk and

1:14:33

less sports. Yeah. Right. See this,

1:14:36

what Paper route is is actually the

1:14:38

opposite of I am athlete. It's like

1:14:40

more sports and less culture here. Right?

1:14:42

So we're hitting both angles. And

1:14:44

so that, that space, that conversation

1:14:46

that we created was off of that one thing. And

1:14:48

see, that's what I mean by being a quarterback. I

1:14:50

just sat back and I was like, Oh,

1:14:54

yeah. You know, you just sit back and pay attention

1:14:56

to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to

1:14:58

the engagement and the response that you're getting. And even OTG,

1:15:01

which I'm most excited about OTG is

1:15:03

on the go content where athletes show

1:15:05

up where athletes

1:15:07

show up as you

1:15:10

know, like new age journalists and reporters.

1:15:12

Like, you know, you have a moment,

1:15:15

right? When we going to speak it

1:15:17

into existence, right? You're, you're playing for,

1:15:20

let's say the Dallas Cowboys,

1:15:22

you're down there in Jerry's world. Back.

1:15:27

He got to go tape his finger. Cause we ain't wishing no

1:15:29

bad on nobody. Now you got to come in. You

1:15:32

come in for a quarter. Cause now

1:15:34

he got to go get his finger taped up and

1:15:37

boom, you play lights out

1:15:40

and now everybody in the NFL, who's this

1:15:42

kid? Like, wait, Oh man, after this,

1:15:44

let's go get them. Let's go sign them. But

1:15:47

in that moment that you have

1:15:49

after boom, now there's an athlete without

1:15:51

Mike in your hand, right? And it's

1:15:53

all temple events. So OTG that's, that's,

1:15:55

I am at the on the go.

1:15:58

So we're going to be the ones. ask

1:16:00

you that question, but you're

1:16:02

going to give us a different answer because we're athletes.

1:16:05

How that came to be, we

1:16:07

went to do our

1:16:09

tour, our first training

1:16:13

camp tour, and I wanted to sit down

1:16:16

and just do long form stuff like

1:16:18

this, sit down with coaches and players,

1:16:21

do podcasts. And

1:16:23

then Keyon and the Gaines are like,

1:16:25

what are we doing? This is

1:16:28

terrible. They're just

1:16:30

asking questions and it's like, what do you

1:16:32

mean just ask questions like, what's the capital

1:16:35

of California? So

1:16:38

we start asking crazy questions and

1:16:41

we got more engagement doing that than anything else.

1:16:44

And so, you know, I

1:16:47

appreciate the space because I'll never get to talk about

1:16:49

this, but like, you

1:16:52

know, we learned on the fly and,

1:16:55

you know, there's been a lot of people

1:16:57

that like, you know,

1:16:59

had ideas or thoughts that created, you know,

1:17:01

some of our best ish. I

1:17:05

just want to say bro, I'm still waiting on

1:17:07

Andrew to come up with a phenomenal idea too.

1:17:09

Like Andrew's been here. How long you been here,

1:17:11

Andrew? What's your idea? My

1:17:14

idea is to get the job done. There you go. No,

1:17:16

we need execution. I'm a part of a little bit of

1:17:18

everything though. You're an executor. Yeah, I'm an executor. But no,

1:17:20

I was going to say, man, like, like

1:17:22

two minutes ago in my head, it just popped out. I

1:17:24

was like, I never see you talk like this about football.

1:17:27

Like I'm so glad that you found this after your

1:17:29

career because you could do that to you in

1:17:32

the casket. You know what I'm saying? No, just

1:17:34

TV. Oh yeah. Like just entertainment, running businesses, but

1:17:36

like you could clearly see how excited you are

1:17:38

and like how much you want to do it.

1:17:40

And like you go into like a thousand yard

1:17:42

stair when you start talking about those moments because

1:17:44

it's like, yeah, that built this, that

1:17:46

got this to where it is. And you're just

1:17:49

excited about the next idea. So I definitely wanted

1:17:51

to say that. I

1:17:53

appreciate that. It's fulfillment. It's purpose, you

1:17:55

know, like, so anybody out there that's,

1:17:58

you know, don't just work. fucking

1:18:01

nine to fives. Absolutely. Don't

1:18:03

just chase money. Mm-hmm. Chase

1:18:06

a difference. Chase your purpose. And if you

1:18:08

don't know your purpose and that's the number

1:18:10

one question especially in your

1:18:12

youth like 20 and sometimes up until your

1:18:14

40 until you 40 like figuring

1:18:17

out like why did God create me?

1:18:19

Why do I exist? What problem am

1:18:21

I gonna solve? If you

1:18:23

can't answer that, okay,

1:18:25

you need to start searching and

1:18:28

a good place to start is

1:18:30

in your pain. You want to find

1:18:32

your purpose and you don't know,

1:18:34

start in your pain, okay. And

1:18:37

so when you do that then you're never

1:18:39

working and then you like that glare and that stare

1:18:41

that you're talking about you'll have

1:18:43

that as well like this is fulfillment this

1:18:45

is like this is purpose and

1:18:49

so if you're out there you

1:18:51

know like make a difference try

1:18:53

to find your purpose you know get after

1:18:55

it you know the only thing that

1:18:58

matters is here and now today you know

1:19:01

a lot of times we get caught up in a monotony of

1:19:04

just like this rat race of I gotta

1:19:06

make money to pay my bills this and

1:19:08

that we die chasing and we die like

1:19:12

living a terrible life. I call it living for

1:19:14

the weekend. Living for the weekend.

1:19:16

Nah man you got to live for Monday through

1:19:19

Friday too. Yeah, if what you're doing

1:19:21

doesn't get you excited on Monday morning then you shouldn't do

1:19:23

it. Shouldn't do it. Yeah, the outcome is

1:19:25

worth it too man and like

1:19:27

it's gonna be hard you know I think sometimes we paint

1:19:29

this rosy picture of like chase your dream chase your dream

1:19:31

which is what I do which is I think what everyone

1:19:34

should do but I think

1:19:36

we underestimate the difficulty and I always think like

1:19:38

acknowledge that it's gonna be hard and then while

1:19:40

I'm going through it understand that okay this is

1:19:42

what hard feels like and this is where everyone

1:19:46

but not but not me because I'm gonna

1:19:48

be different than everyone else. Do that one

1:19:50

more time say that one more time. Go

1:19:52

ahead. The understanding

1:19:54

it's gonna be hard to begin with

1:19:57

and once I feel that kind

1:19:59

of adversity that pushback I tell my

1:20:01

internalize with myself okay this is what

1:20:03

hard feels like this is what everyone's

1:20:06

telling me what's gonna happen but

1:20:08

this is where everyone stops oh and

1:20:12

it's not Michael I can't even say you know

1:20:14

yeah this guy Alex hormones we who I know

1:20:16

Alex yeah yeah so it's Alex but I've used

1:20:18

that a lot like through my so I've had

1:20:21

the past six seasons I've had season-ending injuries six

1:20:24

of them and I still was

1:20:26

with the Tennessee Times this past so

1:20:28

like me being in that meeting room

1:20:30

with an NFL logo on my chest

1:20:32

at practice with all these dudes it

1:20:35

was this I mean I'm getting

1:20:37

goosebumps right now it was this immense

1:20:39

feeling of gratitude and I've never had

1:20:41

that before I'm always like hey what's next what's

1:20:43

next like I wasn't good enough I throw like

1:20:45

a great ball maybe ball placement could it was

1:20:48

a completely different feeling of not that

1:20:51

I made it but just

1:20:53

gratitude for having stuck through everything

1:20:55

I did because everyone would have

1:20:57

stopped man like it was

1:20:59

such a crazy journey and still understanding there's

1:21:01

more to go right but it

1:21:03

was it was that kind of just crazy Wow

1:21:06

man like I feel and it was once you

1:21:08

do something that

1:21:10

somebody said you can't do it gives

1:21:12

you the courage to understand that you

1:21:14

can do anything after that I'll give

1:21:16

you this quick story the I

1:21:19

won't say his name I won't put him on blast

1:21:21

I got some here I won't put him on blast

1:21:23

but he's like top one or two most

1:21:25

well-known quarterback coaches on the planet earth he

1:21:28

trains like you name it first round quarterback

1:21:30

coming out in that draft class he trains

1:21:32

them so he's in a lot

1:21:34

of people's eyes he's an expert at quarterback development

1:21:36

and training he played in the league a bunch

1:21:39

he told me to my face like I should quit because

1:21:41

of the injuries lack of tape all

1:21:45

of the above and that

1:21:47

look I mean I didn't need that motivation but

1:21:49

that that added a lot of fuel to the

1:21:51

fire and so fuck you Jordan Palmer am I

1:21:54

right am I right Jordan

1:22:00

Palmer, you are no longer on

1:22:02

Brandon Marshall's all time

1:22:04

favorite teammate list. You did not

1:22:07

tell Moe he should quit, but

1:22:10

I actually respect Jordan Palmer because sometimes we

1:22:12

do have to have those comers. No,

1:22:14

he was just keeping her- Was it Jordan Palmer? It was Jordan,

1:22:16

it was Jordan, it was Jordan. It was

1:22:18

Jordan. And Jordan. And Jordan. What's on?

1:22:20

He came on my podcast and I've known him for

1:22:22

some time and I went to him for advice because

1:22:25

I wanted to train with him and I've known him

1:22:27

since like the elite 11 high school days and all

1:22:29

of that. And he knew my background, he

1:22:31

knew how many injuries I had. He's like, you're not gonna get

1:22:33

a chance. You know, you

1:22:36

have a lot of other businesses going on, you're doing

1:22:38

media, you're doing nonprofit. Like I think you're well-rounded, you

1:22:40

should just stop where you are. And

1:22:43

man, stories like that, like, you

1:22:45

know, I gotta keep going. You said something like that,

1:22:47

it's like you didn't need the motivation, but it pushed

1:22:49

you even more? I

1:22:52

would have done it regardless, but that

1:22:55

lights a different fire on you. And I'm sure

1:22:57

you've had a ton of people tell

1:22:59

you the same thing. And it's kind

1:23:01

of like that stubborn part of you that's like, dude, what

1:23:04

are you doing? Like stop. And it's like, all right, now

1:23:06

I'm gonna show you. No, it's not stubborn.

1:23:08

I call it delusional. And

1:23:10

you need to be delusional to

1:23:13

push past that point where everybody stopped that you

1:23:15

talked about. And

1:23:17

in that is where greatness

1:23:19

lies. Disruption,

1:23:22

innovation, breakthrough. You

1:23:25

know, and that could be in business, that could be

1:23:27

in relationships, right? That's just life. And

1:23:30

that's where, if you wanna be a part of that 1%,

1:23:33

that's where the 1%, we live in it.

1:23:36

Bro, I feel like we're having a Mike Tyson

1:23:39

hot boxing moment because when you talked about getting

1:23:41

goosebumps, I was fighting back tears,

1:23:44

right? And I was fighting back

1:23:46

tears because that's it. What

1:23:50

you were describing is like that moment of

1:23:52

gratitude when you had that Tennessee Titans logo

1:23:54

on, and it wasn't because I made it,

1:23:57

but it was because of everything you went

1:23:59

through. get there. That's

1:24:01

coach Tony Sperano. Right.

1:24:03

And we've heard this saying before, it's

1:24:06

in the destination. It's in the journey,

1:24:08

not the destination. That's

1:24:10

what it is. Like you got it like

1:24:12

right now is hard as hell. Right now,

1:24:14

like this one of the toughest moments I've

1:24:17

ever been in toughest phases of my life.

1:24:19

I've ever been in personally, professionally. And you

1:24:22

know, I just try to find these moments.

1:24:24

I like what I'm starting to say now

1:24:26

is like, embrace the light, right?

1:24:28

Like embrace the light in that light could just

1:24:31

be one little thing. You

1:24:33

go and you're embracing it, you're chasing it, you're like, this

1:24:35

is it. This is the moment. This is the light at

1:24:37

the end of the tunnel. And you

1:24:40

get there and that shit was a

1:24:42

damn lighting fly. What is it called?

1:24:44

The live firefly. Yeah, like damn, I thought

1:24:46

this was the end of the tunnel. This

1:24:48

is a firefly. But

1:24:51

what it did is by you, you

1:24:53

sitting in the darkness, you

1:24:55

don't see anything, you don't feel anything. Then

1:24:58

all of a sudden, you see this little light, you

1:25:00

don't know if it's the end of the tunnel or

1:25:02

if it's the firefly. You

1:25:04

move a little faster, you keep going. Right.

1:25:08

And then when you get there, let's say it's a

1:25:10

firefly. Fuck, I thought this was the end. You

1:25:13

embraced it. You kept

1:25:15

moving. And then you're like,

1:25:17

there, and you're disappointed. You

1:25:22

cried, whatever you had that moment. And

1:25:24

then there's another firefly or the light, you

1:25:26

just keep going. And that that

1:25:28

moment could be, you know, it

1:25:31

could be anything. You just got

1:25:33

to take the positive anything like, oh, that's it. Is that it?

1:25:35

Is that it? You just keep going, keep going. Negativity

1:25:38

with the Russ Wilson say when we were there, he said, what

1:25:40

did he remember that what did that quote he says, like, one

1:25:43

thing I know for sure is like thinking negative.

1:25:49

Results in 100% of nothing or something

1:25:51

like that. I think it was something to that degree. I don't

1:25:53

remember the exact quote. But as you were speaking, you know what

1:25:56

it made me think of. I've seen a picture recently. It's like

1:25:58

a little crude drawing, but it's like a guy. chipping

1:26:00

away in a mountain and

1:26:02

then you see the transparency through the mountain that the

1:26:04

goal is right there but it's like two more chips

1:26:06

and he just gives up and

1:26:08

that's usually what it is is that you

1:26:11

give up right before the journey actually starts

1:26:13

to take place. Right right and

1:26:15

there's other side to that that's why I like you know look

1:26:17

we're gonna put that clip out of Jordan Palmer and I respect

1:26:19

that you didn't want to

1:26:21

say his name but I have a great relationship

1:26:24

with Jordan Palmer. I played with him he's one

1:26:26

of my favorite teammates you know like I love

1:26:28

the guy like awesome and we

1:26:31

always collaborate and and talk through things

1:26:33

and checking on each other. I

1:26:36

have a great relationship I'm not worrying about that but

1:26:38

I respect what he said to you

1:26:46

because sometimes it's going off of what

1:26:48

Andrew just said sometimes we need to

1:26:50

tell somebody like yes this is it

1:26:52

well you know you got to be honest with your

1:26:55

your you know your advice or

1:26:57

the way you say it though too. That's true. You

1:26:59

know like tone matters like if you're my boy and

1:27:01

I really want what's best for you then I'm gonna

1:27:04

communicate it but in a different way and like a

1:27:06

helpful way. That's right. In a way that I hope

1:27:08

that you see I'm trying to help you out and

1:27:11

I think kind of the way he said it kind of like came

1:27:13

off a little different. Yeah. And I wasn't trying

1:27:15

to hear that man like I was like look

1:27:18

as a player as someone like a Division 1

1:27:20

player NFL guy like you feel like you're the

1:27:22

best. Regardless and like I'm sure we'll talk about

1:27:24

Kayla like he has clips on our show or

1:27:27

he's like dude I'm the best player on

1:27:29

the planet Earth and he carries himself with that confidence

1:27:31

and like that's something that I want to and

1:27:34

have embodied as well because you have to man you

1:27:36

can't step on the field thinking like a DB is

1:27:38

gonna strap you. That's right. Dude I'm the baddest dude

1:27:40

out here. That's right. That's right. That's right. Let's do

1:27:42

this really quickly and I'll respond to that because we

1:27:45

you know I want to talk about Kayla I want

1:27:47

to talk about some draft stuff with Mo while we

1:27:49

have them. Yeah. Can you go Mo can you show

1:27:51

him your Instagram

1:27:54

page. Yeah. The podcast send those to

1:27:56

BC and I want to I want

1:27:58

to play the Caleb William found

1:28:01

and then I want to respond to it.

1:28:03

Okay, so we'll do that. But

1:28:06

but why you why you guys are doing

1:28:08

that and trying to upload that let's

1:28:11

let's continue this conversation. But

1:28:15

yeah, it is how you it is how you it

1:28:18

is how you say it. But

1:28:21

for you, Mo, I like

1:28:24

how you responded. Do you

1:28:27

know the story of Warren

1:28:30

Moon and the Doug

1:28:32

Fluties? Do you

1:28:34

know their stories? Warren,

1:28:36

I believe you played in Canada, right? Mm-hmm. And

1:28:39

then I'm unfamiliar with with Doug Flutie, but I know

1:28:41

I know the Kurt Warner thing as well, Kurt Warner.

1:28:44

And so everybody's

1:28:47

journey is different. So as you continue

1:28:49

your journey, I just want to encourage

1:28:51

you and pour into

1:28:54

you right now, like keep

1:28:57

that same attitude. Keep

1:28:59

chasing, right? But

1:29:01

know that it could be the

1:29:03

XFL. It could be the CFL. Hell,

1:29:06

could be arena to

1:29:08

the grocery store back to arena to

1:29:11

the NFL like Kurt Warner, right? Yeah,

1:29:13

so, you know, be

1:29:15

smart and you are just like

1:29:17

you and Jordan talked about like

1:29:19

you're so dynamic and you're dorm

1:29:23

a few things and you can do a few

1:29:25

things while you're also chasing your dreams, but

1:29:28

don't be don't

1:29:31

be defeated or deflated if

1:29:34

you, you know, it

1:29:36

takes a little longer or you

1:29:38

have to go, you know, on

1:29:41

a different path to get there. Yeah, I mean,

1:29:43

that's the beauty of the guys you mentioned, the

1:29:45

Flutie, the Kurt Warner's, the Warren Moon's world. It's

1:29:47

happened before, so, you know, it's possible to and

1:29:49

like I want to be an inspiration

1:29:52

for guys like that as well because they've done

1:29:54

it for me. That's right. Even on the injury

1:29:56

front, man, like I remember I had this freak

1:29:58

incident where I almost lost my entire leg.

1:30:01

So I got hit down here and it

1:30:03

was, it's called a compartment syndrome. Oh, I

1:30:05

know. Yeah, it blew up. Yup, yup, yup.

1:30:07

And I was a few hours away from

1:30:09

like complete amputation, like emergency surgery, just, just

1:30:11

a freak incident. Like you, sometimes you just

1:30:13

got hit down there and like crazy things

1:30:15

internally happened, I guess. And

1:30:17

I'm in the hospital, but I

1:30:19

mean, I could vividly remember and

1:30:21

I don't know what's going to happen. I have this

1:30:24

massive cast on there. Like I could, I could

1:30:26

lose my leg. My career is over. Like your

1:30:28

entire life flashes before you guys immediately. And

1:30:31

the first thing that came to mind

1:30:33

was Alex Smith, having 20 something surgeries

1:30:36

and almost, you know, losing everything as well. So

1:30:38

I was like, and then he played after that.

1:30:40

I was like, if he wouldn't have done that,

1:30:43

I wouldn't have had that inspiration, that motivation that

1:30:45

I could do it too. And

1:30:47

so it applies to everything on the injury front, on

1:30:49

the podcasting media front, like to see a guy be

1:30:51

able to do that so powerful. And then it makes

1:30:53

me want to do the same thing. That's

1:30:56

mindset, man. And right now what, you

1:30:58

know, people are listening to right now

1:31:00

is the mindset of an athlete and

1:31:02

there's literally people in the Valley out

1:31:04

in Silicon Valley, these tech guys, that's

1:31:06

trying to hack the minds of

1:31:09

athletes. Like how do athletes think like this? How

1:31:11

can we take from that to think like this

1:31:13

or create a business around it, scale

1:31:16

it? How

1:31:18

do athletes get into

1:31:20

the zone and stay in a zone? How can they

1:31:22

stay in there longer? And how can we take that

1:31:24

and build a freaking tech platform around it? This

1:31:28

conversation that we're having, this is the type

1:31:30

of stuff that I love and I'm passionate

1:31:32

about, you

1:31:34

know, and it's so interesting hearing you talk

1:31:36

about it because, you know, that's

1:31:39

part of like my process as well.

1:31:42

And everyone is not for everyone.

1:31:45

It's not for everyone. This is when I talk about

1:31:47

like the 1% and it's what separates the good from

1:31:49

the great or the people like you said is get

1:31:51

to this point where most people stop, but you keep

1:31:53

going. And part of that is

1:31:55

like, oh, has it been done before? Oh,

1:31:58

it has. Oh, so that means I can do it too. I

1:32:00

can be the next right so in sports.

1:32:02

I did it right should hold a Jerry

1:32:04

Rice. How many oh, I can I'm chasing

1:32:06

that I'm doing he did it You

1:32:09

rip that's the delusion right there You think you can

1:32:11

do it and most people tell you like you

1:32:13

can't be the next uh, Jerry Rice or

1:32:15

you can't be the next uh, uh,

1:32:18

Elon Musk you can't be why not and

1:32:20

so that's the mindset that you have to have And

1:32:23

and look if you if you shoot for

1:32:25

what they say shoot for the what and

1:32:27

for the moon No, shoot for the

1:32:29

stars and land on the moon. We feel good And

1:32:33

that's literally how I thought him ball like every year,

1:32:35

you know, you know what my uh, This is what

1:32:37

Phil Simms just do on the show you ask your

1:32:39

question, but you can't don't answer it. So Do

1:32:42

you know what my? You

1:32:45

know what my Just like just my

1:32:47

break going all over. Do you know what my

1:32:49

goals were every single year? Going

1:32:51

into football my football goals leading

1:32:54

receiver and Super Bowl Well,

1:32:56

I had team and I

1:32:58

had uh personal so team

1:33:00

was always Super Bowl. That's it. Yeah, nothing

1:33:03

else personal

1:33:05

was From touchdowns

1:33:07

to receptions to yards was

1:33:10

always the record Oh

1:33:12

Marvin Harrison had 140 what okay, like I want to

1:33:14

have 140 something. I want more than that Just

1:33:19

give me one more. I'm good. How many Your

1:33:22

all-time leader in yards what oh I want

1:33:25

okay And and so like that's

1:33:27

what I was striving for But

1:33:30

I was good with like, oh I just had 120 catches i'm all

1:33:32

pro I

1:33:34

still I still won Yeah, I

1:33:36

was like I was chasing it but i'm like

1:33:39

I fell at the moon I

1:33:42

fell at the moon. So yeah in podcasting like like hey

1:33:44

i'm gonna have the biggest show on the planet I want

1:33:46

to be joe rogan, right? You end up in the top

1:33:48

five I'm joe rogan

1:33:56

Yeah, i'll be looking on that clip bc. Yep

1:33:58

ready to go. All right. Whoa Well, before

1:34:00

we get there, because I want to save

1:34:02

that for tomorrow, maybe we spend, you

1:34:05

know, a couple minutes, you know, for tomorrow.

1:34:08

Are you good with time? Yeah, I'm good. Yeah.

1:34:11

Okay. So you got no workout with the Tennessee

1:34:13

Titans or any families to meet or anything? All

1:34:16

right. So, so,

1:34:18

so, so, so we're going to transition here. This

1:34:20

is a dope conversation with Mo. I

1:34:23

called it cap when

1:34:25

he said that he was approached in

1:34:28

a Nashville bar by

1:34:31

a mafia like figure and

1:34:35

said, here's 300,000 to

1:34:37

throw a game or fix a game or whatnot. It

1:34:40

went viral, but that was

1:34:42

shot three years ago. And so

1:34:45

I called it cap, but now sitting down with him, I say

1:34:48

no cap. I say

1:34:50

no cap. I convince you. You convinced me.

1:34:52

You're a good guy. You're a good guy. You seem like you're

1:34:54

a man of integrity. I like

1:34:57

you, Mo. I really do. But

1:35:00

that's not, you know, you're so

1:35:02

much more than that, right? So most still on

1:35:04

his journey to make it to the

1:35:06

NFL may have to go

1:35:08

to the CFL may have to go to XFL.

1:35:10

We will see what happens over the next couple

1:35:13

of months. Hell, even the next year. But

1:35:16

you've also sat down with so many other people

1:35:19

on your podcast. You're building out your own media

1:35:22

empire. And also

1:35:24

you have a nonprofit and

1:35:26

you're doing some amazing things. So

1:35:28

we appreciate that conversation. Now

1:35:31

transition to the next segment. Let's

1:35:34

talk a little bit about combat

1:35:37

sports. Let's see how

1:35:39

dynamic Mo is. Yeah, let's see.

1:35:42

Let's see. And then we'll

1:35:44

go to that.

1:35:47

We had Dak Prescott's brother on the

1:35:49

show, Ted Prescott. And

1:35:51

we'll get your thoughts on some of

1:35:53

the conversation that we have there. How does that sound?

1:35:55

It's beautiful. Let's do it. Here

1:35:58

we go. All right, guys. Conor

1:36:00

McGregor is

1:36:03

starring in the remake of the movie Road

1:36:05

House. It's a rather older

1:36:07

movie if you have a chance to go back and

1:36:09

look at it, but it's coming out soon. He

1:36:12

is also getting back into the octagon and McGregor

1:36:14

doubled down on his comments a month ago saying

1:36:16

he will fight Michael Chandler this summer at a

1:36:18

time to be determined. However, since

1:36:21

nothing has been announced by the UFC, there

1:36:23

are doubts about his return. I'll

1:36:26

go first guys because I'm the biggest

1:36:28

combat guy in here, but I'm

1:36:33

calling cap. I'm sorry

1:36:35

bro. If you've paid attention

1:36:37

to Conor McGregor in the last eight

1:36:40

years, it hasn't been great. And

1:36:43

I have a couple of stats. Eight years? Eight

1:36:46

years. Wow. Let me ask

1:36:48

you guys, do you remember where you were November 12, 2016? November

1:36:50

12, 2016. I

1:36:53

was in New York

1:36:57

and I was playing for the gents. Okay. Anybody

1:37:00

know? I think I was in high school. The

1:37:03

answer is no. No? Okay.

1:37:07

That was the last time Conor McGregor had a

1:37:09

great fight. And

1:37:11

that's my personal opinion. The

1:37:13

reason why I say this is because on

1:37:15

that date he actually fought Eddie Alvarez and

1:37:17

one of the most beautiful

1:37:20

executions of just

1:37:22

power punches, ducking, dodging,

1:37:25

like just the best I've ever seen in

1:37:27

MMA. And

1:37:29

then he starts to go downhill. He

1:37:31

fought Khabib who just ripped

1:37:34

his neck off. And

1:37:36

then he, well, actually before that is when

1:37:38

he had about seven months after that Eddie

1:37:40

Alvarez fight, he had the fight with Mayweather

1:37:42

that everybody knows and he lost that fight.

1:37:47

And he lost to Nurmagomedov. He had a

1:37:49

shoulder hit on Donald Cerrone and then he lost the last

1:37:51

two fights to Dustin. And I actually need to correct myself

1:37:53

because at the top of the show you asked me if

1:37:55

he broke his leg in that last fight and he did.

1:37:57

And that fight Was almost... Three

1:38:00

years ago. So. Reason

1:38:02

I'm calling Cap: Is mainly because.

1:38:05

Lot of footage since the shooting of Road

1:38:07

House has come out. hasn't been great. Arm

1:38:09

I don't wanna down a man or anything

1:38:12

like that but it does look like there

1:38:14

could be substances use. Ah, I'm

1:38:16

and. I've watched

1:38:18

his sparring loops and he's looking rather

1:38:20

sauce and I'm going to speak to

1:38:23

that because this is a guy who

1:38:25

was a plumber in Ireland. And.

1:38:28

Fought his way to the top and with a

1:38:30

people's champ before he got the bill. You.

1:38:32

Go To I'm saying and now it's been eight years

1:38:34

has he had a great fight. I. Just

1:38:36

don't I don't see how you go almost a decade

1:38:38

and now you come back. And. You're just

1:38:40

going to whip up on everybody in a forest.

1:38:42

Michael Chandler I got his that to may michael

1:38:45

a that greedy that he been any and if

1:38:47

you have see for firefight and he's to for

1:38:49

three. So. It.

1:38:51

Is a lot approval in this match. but

1:38:54

it's not a lotta owns because Mcgregor eight

1:38:56

years past his prime in my opinion and

1:38:58

Sandler is like a wild hippo. He fights

1:39:00

so so let me ask you this question

1:39:02

their than what the fuck So the last

1:39:04

fight was would that mcgregor him agree with

1:39:07

Twenty Twenty One Twenty Twenty One and he

1:39:09

last year. That's what he has. He broke

1:39:11

his leg or gets a warrior with I

1:39:13

was Oh yeah, I'm Eric to myself if

1:39:15

he doesn't break his weight. When

1:39:17

have been seems loosen. Students.

1:39:19

And their flight recorders while he. Was

1:39:22

a busy Mcgregor is was he'd been. was.

1:39:25

That's. What else is the was for the

1:39:27

last eight years but I don't know last

1:39:29

one out about yeah what about his he

1:39:32

is he is izzy know is he still

1:39:34

good beer but what what I'm saying he

1:39:36

fought that guy. Amateurs:

1:39:38

Included four times for time right and

1:39:40

even at last by he was losing.

1:39:43

and then enough doubt the return of

1:39:45

Get. Any cada

1:39:47

vez de cada the intercepted a fight. You know

1:39:49

what he said. only need one

1:39:51

assess assess approve of it allowed

1:39:54

are of five no more thorough

1:39:56

same at because up corners obviously

1:39:58