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though we turned on sound masking in the

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apartment and i said joseph you

1:02

better have gotten like the golden

1:04

nuggets of intelligence and this meeting because i

1:06

was about to die from boredom this

1:08

was awful and he looked at me

1:10

like me like nothing like

1:13

what you might be kidding

1:15

me is it safe dragged

1:17

me to a local bar in his car

1:20

where you can meet with his local

1:22

mistress for two hours and

1:24

they sat at the bar groping each

1:26

other kissing each other while i

1:28

sat uncomfortably next to him thinking

1:30

i cannot believe what's going on right now

1:34

from foreign policy welcome to i spy

1:37

on each episode we get one former

1:40

intelligence operative to tell the story

1:42

of one operation i'm margo

1:44

martindale michelle

1:46

, assad join the cia

1:48

just weeks after the attacks of september

1:51

eleventh eleventh spent

1:53

much of the next decade working undercover

1:55

in the middle east her story is

1:57

unusual rigby assad

1:59

false work with her egyptian american

2:01

spouse joseph also

2:04

cia officer as part

2:06

of her husband and why despite as

2:09

she says she was often underestimated

2:12

by both colleagues and informants and

2:14

two thousand and seven rugby assad

2:17

was assigned to help investigate in ambush

2:20

that killed an american woman in iraq

2:22

the , brought her face to face with

2:25

the sunni insurgents nickname abu

2:27

mohammad and change the course

2:29

of her career michelle rigby

2:32

assad takes it from here

2:34

it

2:36

wasn't long after i started training

2:38

in january two thousand and two they've realized

2:41

that the agency was very dated

2:43

in terms of it's understanding

2:45

of gender and relations

2:49

so the cards what you're being taught

2:51

that trade craft training is so critical

2:53

that first year so because of that

2:56

they sign students

2:58

to each mentor the you really

3:00

get time with this person so they can really

3:02

help you understand that your

3:04

objectives are and and how

3:06

to implement why you're being taught

3:09

now and that gentlemen my nan's her came

3:11

and to introduce himself to me and my

3:14

male colleagues for first time was very

3:16

weird pretty

3:18

litter for about fifteen or twenty minutes introducing

3:20

himself the never looked

3:22

at me than

3:24

in i think sometimes when these things happen

3:27

you kind of second guess yourself like

3:29

might margining this but when

3:31

when left the room my colleague

3:33

was like on that was weird can

3:36

even look at you so

3:38

even as an older gentleman his

3:41

specialty with latin america and this guy

3:43

was a living legend that cia

3:45

and there were books written about him

3:48

and everyone who like how lucky we were to get

3:50

this particular mentor and i thought oh

3:53

now says that this guy can't even

3:55

look at me and so

3:57

a couple months later my colleagues

4:00

the program because he just realized that he

4:02

did not want to live this crazy

4:05

undercover alive then

4:07

i woke up really

4:09

weird training after that because my mentor

4:11

had no one else to look out the room except

4:13

for me though he

4:15

walked in that first day so uncomfortable

4:18

practically crawling out of his skin and

4:20

he admitted to me that days and missile i

4:22

just don't know what to do with you they

4:25

make of it does that mean whatever

4:29

you want to do and i said well i want go to middle east

4:31

and i wanted you to nurture summer like

4:34

i don't know how you're going to do that because

4:36

look at you year a nice looking female

4:39

you're young these sources

4:41

don't respect women you're

4:43

never going to be able to get the kind of

4:45

respect you need to get sensitive

4:48

intelligence out of them they're just they're not to

4:50

trust you

4:53

it's been lot i'm in middle east by this point

4:56

and i thought gosh i mean

4:58

i've been studying all these years to treated that

5:01

month or two point where could be good at tasks

5:03

on this man he's living legend at

5:05

the cia tells me i can't do this well

5:08

must now he must be right

5:11

because of that there was his preference

5:13

in the cia among hr

5:15

that men were better suited to

5:17

the core collector role which was

5:20

operations officers the ones

5:22

who are recruiting and handling the sources

5:25

and that women were better in this role like

5:27

right behind them supporting an effort

5:30

called cliffs in the the officer in

5:33

fact really kind of funneled

5:36

, and that one role and men into the other

5:38

which i sound strange because

5:41

it wasn't question of your skills are

5:43

your expertise in her studies are your linguistic

5:46

abilities it was simply gender

5:48

it can understand that said

5:50

the agency trained us for a year and trade

5:52

craft and then i got to the seals

5:54

and my bosses are like you wanna

5:56

recruit sources and handle sources

5:59

only yeah you just than

6:01

whole your training me to do that

6:05

though i spent

6:07

my first good oh my gosh

6:09

four years in the agency thinking i

6:11

wasn't good enough i would be

6:13

lucky to just be average and that was

6:16

very soul crushing to person who's a

6:18

very type personality and very competitive

6:20

i want to do while i wanted deliver

6:23

and so i think that running into those walls

6:26

was very difficult

6:30

the just seven i worked together in

6:32

middle east eye and her

6:34

getting people to recruit

6:36

them a sources and

6:39

as part that you really it as developing

6:41

relationships with people your train

6:43

working to establish trust and so

6:46

as a married couple of makes perfect sense of

6:48

course that we would be working together

6:50

to target people that

6:52

we were interested were interested then to work them

6:54

together what

6:57

i meant was i spend lot of time

6:59

entertaining a lot of

7:01

people and families and

7:04

going out of your way to get know people their interest

7:06

in their dreams through future

7:08

and when you targeting someone

7:10

to be sci source that's very risky proposition

7:13

for them so you have to find out what

7:15

matters to them and how this could be

7:18

useful , them so that takes time

7:20

to get to know people in that way and develop

7:22

the kind of trust you would need eventually

7:24

to recruit them so with a lot

7:26

of spending time with people and

7:29

if they were nice folks and that

7:31

was delightful and if

7:33

they were difficult people that was

7:36

in farm anna unfortunately

7:38

i would say because we were doing counterterrorism

7:42

work lot of individuals that we were developing

7:44

were not the nicest people on the world

7:49

the face and amina

7:51

were from a country that was very hostile

7:53

to united states so they were definitely

7:56

of interest because of this

7:58

individuals position the husbands

8:00

position and , can't see

8:02

more than that but you'll have to trust that he was definitely

8:05

interested cia they

8:07

were newly weds and they had they year old

8:09

baby boy and

8:11

excitement not particularly nice

8:14

are easy individual the

8:16

we invaded siphon amina over for dinner

8:18

one night after we had gotten to know

8:20

them pretty well and the

8:23

risk of told me that after dinner he was gonna

8:25

take him outside for a walk and

8:27

hopefully try to gauge his interest

8:29

in providing sensitive information it

8:31

would be particularly wonderful

8:34

if we found out that he wasn't a fan

8:36

of his own government and if you could

8:38

make him feel like he

8:40

was in a safe space maybe he could admit that

8:42

to you so anyway there was

8:44

this plan will have dinner you'll go for

8:46

a walk hopefully get some intelligence

8:48

out of ham and then you'll

8:50

come back and will finish eating so

8:53

that's what happened the recess

8:55

and safe last

8:57

and i thought you know this might last thirty

9:00

minutes thou now

9:02

in hurry the right it's so painful and everybody

9:04

thinks the cia is just so exotic

9:07

and see what we do is so he

9:09

all that remained well let tell you it's really like

9:13

me sitting with amina and her

9:15

one year old baby trying to

9:17

have to have with this lovely woman who

9:19

has very different kind of arabic very tribal

9:22

arabic in fact me the names

9:24

sound like arabic

9:27

so we've , a lotta time

9:30

staring each other it was so deeply

9:32

uncomfortable and then i mean

9:34

it says know

9:36

american culture is very different

9:39

than my culture and i think there's

9:41

a lot of divorce and this is terrible

9:43

and why don't you americans care about your

9:45

family's like we do in the middle east

9:48

and their sexual problems

9:50

and rampant sexuality and something

9:52

to that fact it's people cheating on

9:55

each other and that's

9:57

a very complicated thing talk

9:59

about any language never mind trying

10:01

to respond in arabic i was so

10:04

i'm able to even like try

10:07

to help her understand what understand what

10:09

differences he was so painful it

10:14

would ah worse before

10:16

joseph and safe returned to

10:18

the apartment and i just thought i was

10:20

gonna die and like i don't even know how to entertain

10:23

this woman any longer sees exhausted

10:25

i'm exhausted baby's exhausted and

10:27

so when they finally came back

10:30

of my god

10:33

hope they depart

10:36

and i said joseph we turned on sound

10:38

masking in the apartment just in case or any

10:40

audio devices there with at once a

10:42

government listening in hearing what you're saying

10:44

about what our op's works

10:47

some music and

10:49

make you better have gotten

10:51

like the golden nuggets of intelligence

10:54

and this meeting because i was about

10:56

to die from boredom this was awful

10:58

and looked meanies like meanies got nothing

11:02

like what you might be kidding

11:04

me the i got

11:06

nothing

11:09

safe dragged me to local bar

11:11

in his car where you can meet with

11:13

his local mistress for two

11:15

hours and they sat the bar groping

11:18

each other kissing each other

11:20

while i sat uncomfortably next

11:22

to them thinking i cannot believe what's going on

11:24

right now well it's funny now it

11:26

certainly wasn't funny certainly moment and but it's

11:28

good example how difficult

11:30

it could be too

11:33

try to develop people that you actually don't

11:35

have lot in common with

11:39

the windows of and got surged to baghdad

11:41

for year in two thousand and six rock

11:44

with a mass it was coming apart at the seams

11:47

an and two thousand seven the

11:49

group of terrorists attack the us citizen

11:52

a young woman she was twenty seven years

11:54

old who was in iraq

11:56

to help of rockies learn about

11:59

the democratic and voting

12:01

and elections and so she

12:03

was there's a trainer and

12:05

after one of her meetings with local

12:08

a rocky party he

12:10

and several members of her personal security

12:13

were brutally murdered the

12:15

streets of baghdad there

12:17

was was group of terrorists

12:19

were talking between twenty and thirty young man

12:22

who attacked a three car convoy

12:24

with rpgs with

12:26

a k forty sevens with handguns

12:29

it was just a barrage of

12:31

gunfire and ,

12:33

because it result in the death of us

12:35

citizen our job is trying

12:37

figure out who ordered the attack and who

12:39

executed at and so

12:41

basically and so brought into this

12:43

efforts as collection management

12:45

officer who had a very

12:47

broad knowledge of our sources

12:50

the i could try to figure out who might have

12:52

access to information on this attack

12:54

the my

12:56

husband was handling a source

12:58

that i'll call abu mohammad this

13:01

guy with mid level insurgents

13:04

you would not an ideologue he was not one

13:06

of those syria

13:09

, who is the guy that

13:11

they send to like break other people's legs

13:13

kill people need to make them follow mind

13:16

abu mohammad was mohammad guy that you did not

13:18

mess with he was one of those

13:20

it actually see what ideology wise

13:23

and , was wedded to at he was all

13:25

an end user

13:27

bit scary and joseph handled

13:30

ham recruited him and handled

13:32

ham handled when i

13:34

became involved in investigation

13:36

a try to figure out who is responsible for this

13:39

earlier attack just

13:41

assemble why don't you come in and debriefing

13:43

yourself nobody knows more about this attack

13:45

needy right now so why don't just come in

13:48

and do yourself i

13:50

will replace really

13:54

because up until this point i'd

13:56

been prevented from really

13:58

meeting with sources i'd been then

14:00

from getting in front these bad guys i've

14:03

been told by my mentor and hr i

14:05

couldn't do it and

14:07

yet here i'm actually going

14:09

get the chance to see if i can

14:11

so it was very exciting

14:14

and , also terrifying all the same

14:16

time because in a you feel like the deck

14:18

is stacked against you as female

14:20

singers i'm preparing for this i am very

14:23

cognizant of what cognizant of it's gonna

14:25

be to deal with this mid level

14:27

and surgeon

14:28

it

14:32

did not the recruit guys like adam

14:34

homage the truth is

14:36

having come from the region having

14:38

grown up with guys like thought he knew

14:41

how to talk to them so you have

14:43

to figure out what makes them tech right you have to figure

14:45

out what their motivations were

14:47

kind of guy is this then

14:50

joseph is really good at like moderating

14:52

, speech and talking

14:54

certain way and saying look album hum it

14:57

you're wasting all your time attacking

15:00

coalition forces while

15:02

the see who were the majority

15:04

in this country are decimating

15:07

the sunnis and you think

15:09

here all your attacks against coalition forces

15:11

are gonna get us to leave earlier and quicker

15:13

but actually what's happening is where surging

15:16

troops to deal with all of them murders

15:18

unless terror op say you're cheating

15:20

opposite of what you're trying to achieve

15:23

you are hurting yourself this is not

15:25

and the interest and

15:27

i love his strategy of dislike

15:30

fi know what matters to guy and just

15:32

relay it back to him and say you

15:35

need to be focused on helping sydney's

15:37

rebuild their villages and their towns

15:40

and trying to made

15:42

in stable against you guys have a better

15:44

chance at a future and the more

15:46

you keep killing us the last time

15:48

less resources less people you have to do

15:50

that you're going decimated by the shia

15:53

that's any be concerned with his arrives

15:55

influence not our influence and

15:57

abu muhammad he got

16:03

you're listening to i spy will

16:05

be right back

16:18

welcome

16:20

back to i spy i'm margo

16:22

martindale we return to

16:24

the story of michelle rigby yes aunt

16:27

she was assigned to investigate and ambition

16:29

iraq that killed in american

16:31

democracy promoter back

16:33

to rig be assigned

16:35

no i'm preparing myself

16:38

to meet with abu mohammad and you

16:40

know everything that everything do to prepare for this meeting this

16:42

so important like what i were

16:45

how i present myself am

16:47

of course prior to this i mean sure i

16:49

read all the intel all

16:51

the operational cables on have all

16:53

the background all the traces

16:56

basically i wanted to go in there knowing

16:58

everything a cut above i'm homage

17:01

the records are very familiar with isn't how

17:03

because i was processing that intelligence so

17:05

that helped lot to and then of course i had

17:07

joseph insights what's it like

17:09

when you meet with them how to react with you all

17:11

of these dynamics that

17:13

would help me mentally prepare for what i was

17:15

gonna deal with when with walked in the room the

17:18

info in my mind and okay

17:21

i know this guy this tough guy

17:24

but i also know that he's probably gonna

17:26

very excited about meeting with cel

17:30

because even though his tear ideology

17:32

tell some that you should not

17:34

be in the room with a woman with whom you're not

17:36

related the dot from

17:39

are forbidden when given

17:41

the opportunity is proving any get very excited

17:43

and the reason i know this is i doubt with so many

17:46

the way they wanted to break

17:48

roll it was so exciting to

17:50

the in room with a young female and

17:53

it very sexually repressed culture

17:57

and who it expresses and very

17:59

strange ways uber over them in

18:01

excited meet with female and

18:04

you can't help what someone thinks about

18:06

you when you walk into room but you have

18:08

to understand what those things are if you're going to

18:10

challenge them like that the most

18:12

important thing when thing walk in the room

18:15

what is this particular person to think of me

18:17

because the we perceive me nice

18:21

in their head about me is can be different

18:23

than if i was six two and three hundred fifty

18:25

two the rb the is

18:27

it can be very different said that morning

18:29

i'm like running through my head

18:33

you know what adam hum it's gonna think

18:35

and hung in deal with that in i'm

18:37

excited uber

18:39

hairdresser that means my hands are shaking

18:42

heart is racing a ,

18:44

perspiring see now and

18:46

then i'm thinking about fact that like okay

18:49

if , calm down he's gonna see

18:51

that my hands are shaking if

18:53

he sees that i'm nervous you're

18:55

not going know difference between arrest in that nervousness

18:57

and excitement so i really need to

19:00

like take deep breaths before enter the room

19:02

so i'm not shaking i

19:04

need to not show

19:08

how i'm really feeling so i need to walk

19:10

in the room with my head held high

19:12

when my shoulders back i

19:14

, needed do everything i can to appear

19:17

confidence in that

19:19

moment

19:22

the decreases that we met these guys

19:25

in in the green zone were

19:28

they were small rooms let's just say that like

19:30

probably can't go into too much detail about that

19:32

but there's a small rooms and

19:34

chairs to sit and there's like little

19:36

mini fridge so you have water or

19:38

pepsi or whatever some snacks

19:41

in case your sources hungry but

19:43

you want to make them feel like they're in a safe place

19:46

and then if you needed interpreter

19:48

the interpreters and the room with you and

19:50

for me i have some arabic

19:52

but it's not enough the requirements

19:55

of intelligence because every word

19:57

matters the ensuing much

20:00

native speaker of arabic like joseph

20:03

you're gonna probably need probably translator linguist

20:05

to make sure that you know exactly what's coming

20:07

out of their mouth although

20:09

the verbal responses need to

20:11

be dissembled and evaluate

20:14

id for in the truth

20:18

knock on door i

20:20

opened door i see abu

20:22

muhammad across the room i

20:26

that's me and i

20:28

see a reacted exactly the way think is going

20:30

to he is happy and

20:32

excited am i got here

20:34

we go though

20:37

walk across the room acting confident

20:39

that all sitting very aware that

20:41

he is cataloging everything

20:44

what i'm wearing how i am walking

20:46

what i look like everything

20:48

is being looked at and assessed

20:50

by him because

20:53

one thing that you may not realize about terrorists

20:55

is that a lot of them are so street

20:57

smart they have high levels emotional

20:59

and the judge though the

21:01

way that i'm evaluating his every move

21:04

he's doing exact same thing to me everything

21:08

that i am doing in these for see

21:10

minutes of this meeting i know matter

21:12

and they're going to set the tone for whether

21:14

this works or doesn't

21:19

the courtroom i walk straight

21:21

adam hundred and i shake his hand

21:23

and i say salaam alaikum keisuke

21:25

abu mohammed he

21:28

is shirt the callum

21:30

how to be the garbage so

21:34

even though we'd just introduced ourselves

21:37

i have already t my the objective

21:41

they see he

21:43

thinks he knew what i was walking

21:45

into the room a pretty girl he

21:47

, i'm stupid he thinks they couldn't

21:49

possibly understand anything about espionage

21:52

or terrorism or rock

21:55

he thinks i'm outta my league i

21:57

will be easy to manipulate

22:00

the gonna be a complex thing

22:02

car i mean

22:03

i know that i'm starting out at a huge

22:06

disadvantage with them like get it i understand

22:08

this is what his biases are telling him

22:11

about me okay

22:14

i'm gonna challenge every one of them

22:17

the then the

22:19

move on to my my second objective and

22:21

say adam hundred i've been waiting

22:23

to meet you very excited meet you today

22:26

because i've been falling your case i've

22:28

read your whole file whole file everything

22:30

about your relationship with the cia

22:33

and he's standing there with sensors

22:35

for eyes and

22:37

he says really

22:39

your your work is very say right you're following

22:42

me his helps make them feel really good

22:44

yes and i am very aware that

22:47

what you're doing is very courageous the

22:50

nearby meeting with cia you're risking your life

22:52

and i really appreciate these

22:54

are not nice human beings ray this guy

22:57

certainly killed other human beings before he's

23:00

still risking his life to meet with the cia and

23:02

i wanna know that because

23:05

we all have egos and we all

23:07

need to feel like that what we're doing matter

23:10

oh man i really appreciate

23:12

what you've been doing i know

23:14

that based on the intelligence you provide unless

23:16

two meetings with probably saved dozens of

23:18

age hi thank

23:20

you for what you're doing and he

23:22

is just flabbergasted

23:27

it it seems like an objective

23:29

it is you stroke his ego

23:32

enough to make him feel valued the

23:34

oh said

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it very deep psychological stand

23:38

by me complimenting album

23:40

hundred and actually elevating myself

23:42

in terms of my authority i'm telling

23:45

him what i think of ham i'm

23:47

coming to him as a experience intelligence officer

23:49

whose telling him how he's performing

23:52

if he doesn't even realize that the what i'm doing

23:54

is theory critical to

23:56

a guy who five seconds earlier

23:58

things i'm an idiot i

24:00

am showing myself be figure of authority

24:06

i have one more really important object

24:08

is i start talking to him

24:10

about an attack in his neighborhood

24:13

and what that's die and the fabric

24:15

of rocky society and i start talking

24:17

about iraqi culture and

24:20

like wow you really seem

24:22

to understand or rock and

24:24

rockies and late brother i

24:26

have been studying the middle east for east

24:28

long time

24:30

they don't didn't personal details but i'd home enough

24:32

to know that lake i didn't just get off

24:34

boat i'm speaking arabic to

24:36

him so he knows i've studied i've

24:38

talk about details of his culture

24:40

that everyone else doesn't seem to really know

24:43

much about i know what i'm talking

24:45

about you want to deal with me

24:49

because unless he feels the i'm responsible

24:52

and capable to handle his intelligence

24:54

care that's

24:56

important because if i don't he

24:58

could get killed if you've identified as

25:00

a source this intelligence then

25:03

he'll get his head cut off and his

25:05

body thrown into the front yard

25:08

this by so once

25:10

i got him pass that single obstacle

25:13

the

25:14

tension in that room just

25:16

fell apart it was like was like tell

25:18

that adam homemade was ready to do work he

25:20

was ready to engage with me

25:22

as an intelligence officer and not just female

25:25

get flirt with the muhammed

25:27

arrived exactly where i wanted him to be

25:30

had brought to bear oh

25:33

of the effort oh of the studies

25:36

in the middle east oh my

25:38

hi i'm trying to understand

25:41

nuances of culture and how that to

25:43

appreciate were an airborne iraqis

25:45

coming from and it works and

25:47

so i realized

25:49

that i'd been holding back holding my career

25:52

up until that point and point just wasn't

25:54

going do anymore women

25:56

are not very good that but i learned that i need to be

25:58

little bit more forthcoming

26:01

on my skillset and what was bringing

26:03

to the table so leadership could know

26:05

better how to use me so

26:07

yes i have a midlevel

26:09

terror insurgent to thank

26:12

for that realization

26:15

the other mohammad it was able to ask

26:17

around two friends other insurgents

26:20

colleagues in was able to train

26:22

him guide us in the right direction

26:24

like who we needed the look at who was likely

26:27

involved in this attack

26:30

i was able to do the same thing

26:32

and other meetings all the other kiss officers

26:35

will a case you didn't not being white it's under

26:37

my meeting meet with this guy's so

26:39

what that did was it got

26:41

me finally ensued clandestine

26:43

operations with bad guys got me face to

26:46

face with them which is for someone

26:48

who's a student of human behavior was like the

26:50

coolest them

26:52

i like challenge of been told you can do

26:54

something and then turn it right around and showing

26:56

them how very good you are at it so

26:59

because i had such

27:01

successful meetings with these sources

27:04

and was able in many cases to get

27:06

them to share information they'd been holding back

27:09

there was a turning point my career is people realize

27:11

was very skilled in that

27:14

agent management agent

27:16

handling role later

27:19

on in my career i was able to

27:21

then take on much more difficult

27:23

cases like potential double agents

27:26

and sources that were difficult

27:28

trying to figure out what was actually

27:31

going on in these relationships

27:35

working with your spouse if

27:37

you're both the cia in

27:39

your birth working in same place it

27:42

definitely made me stronger that

27:45

are officer because of it i

27:47

think it would be very lonely if your spouse

27:49

wasn't in an are plenty people who have

27:51

married someone on the outside need made at work

27:53

but at the same time he knew

27:55

it would be very difficult for a spouse not

27:57

on the inside understand what you

28:00

knowing where you , access to the same

28:02

cable traffic you know basically

28:06

there were no secrets we were working

28:08

on same stuff when you're

28:10

stressed out there's no need to

28:12

try to figure out how to tell your spouse

28:14

wire stress they know they're right

28:16

in the thick of it with you the mass

28:18

of stress that comes with trying

28:21

to collect nice stating information

28:25

the math and stress involved

28:27

in running for bunkers multiple

28:29

times a day you can

28:31

understand it unless you've been there so

28:35

was much better as tandem couple

28:37

as one part of this

28:39

tandem unit i was

28:41

very grateful for that

28:47

even imagine that a tenure career

28:50

of serving and really difficult places

28:52

wears on you you're

28:54

living under cover in your living on other

28:56

side of the world

28:58

weddings and

29:00

birthdays and birth children

29:03

and you , your family

29:05

you miss normal normal is

29:07

normal life you're living in an intelligence

29:09

an you are

29:11

living very dangerous existence

29:15

and you just can't do that forever

29:19

it is exhausting so towards

29:22

the end of that years we were we're

29:24

a war on our marriage to be

29:27

very honest with you we were kind

29:29

of starting to feel stressed in our marriage

29:31

we were pretty clear that it was time

29:34

to leave towards the end that ten years

29:37

that same time as much as you know

29:39

it's time to leave it is

29:41

terrifying the

29:44

don't know how to exist outside the cia

29:50

canadian you don't know how

29:52

much should get paid if you don't even have

29:54

an actual resume you

29:56

have a ready made it doesn't save anything

29:58

theory and

30:00

you have really ten years can account for

30:02

in your life he can even tell people exactly

30:05

where you san super sketchy how

30:08

you get another dog

30:10

how do you leap out of that great big

30:12

stable government go into the great

30:14

unknown we

30:16

knew a lot of people had left the cia and and come

30:19

back again because it was just too hard to make on outside

30:21

so it was a huge leap of faith

30:26

that never look back and

30:28

have enjoyed our pussy a career

30:30

immensely and find it quite hustling as well

30:34

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