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7:44

go. On with Stunt. Season four,

7:46

episode three, Playing with Fire. She

7:52

was brave enough to escape an abusive husband.

7:55

Being with Richard was living in hell

7:58

every single. But

8:01

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8:03

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8:06

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8:08

very dangerous and violent was going to occur.

8:11

This is Vernetta Cockrum's story. When

8:15

a scorned husband will kill for the chance to

8:17

get even. Well, we

8:19

hear about Vernetta Cockrum, who was

8:21

born on March 5th, 1969, and

8:23

raised in Jonesville, North Carolina by her grudma...

8:25

by her grandpa. By her grandpa. By

8:28

her grandpa. Okay, you know what? We can't. Come

8:31

on. It's pride. Get your

8:33

shit together. Raise by her grandpa. Who is

8:35

that? That's just my grandpa. Don't

8:37

mind her. Don't look her in the eye. She gets angry. And

8:40

Vernetta tells us that if she wasn't in

8:42

school, she was in church. It was church

8:44

for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. And let me

8:46

tell you, I have never related to anything

8:48

more. We had church

8:50

Sunday morning, Sunday evening, Wednesday evening,

8:52

and then there was spiritual warfare

8:54

night on Monday. I don't like

8:56

the words spiritual or warfare, and

8:58

when you put them together, that

9:00

is fear. It's

9:03

intoxicating out of my curiosity, but then that

9:05

is eclipsed by my fear. Well,

9:07

let me feed into both of them, because

9:10

spiritual warfare night, that was when the

9:12

congregation came together to battle the Gorgiles, the

9:14

Slackings, the Terracart readers, the Daemons, the

9:16

spiritual dominions, and the Smurfs. That's

9:19

right, the Smurfs. Only the devil could produce

9:21

a bunch of small, blue creatures

9:23

who did magic and were spiritually

9:25

entangled with a dark wizard

9:27

named Gorgamelle. Gorgamelle was so scary.

9:29

I wasn't allowed to watch it. Also, I worried

9:31

for Smurfette. Like, she was

9:34

outnumbered. That was not cute. That's a lot of pressure.

9:37

It is. She was just... There's a

9:39

lot of just little Smurf dicks around.

9:43

Does anyone have eyes on Smurfette? Someone check in

9:45

with her. Come on, queen. Come over

9:47

to New Jersey. I'll take care of you. But

9:50

Vernetta says she grew up on a

9:52

hog farm. Joey, I am

9:54

terrified of hogs. Let

9:57

me tell you who I blame for hogs and... It

10:00

is the Disney's Lion King because they

10:02

did a great disservice because they made

10:04

Pumbaa seem so lovable and adorable. Hogs

10:06

are terrifying. I do not vibe with

10:08

hogs. I do not fuck with hogs.

10:10

They are smart. First of all, they

10:13

are so smart. They are so strong.

10:15

They can eat a human alive. They

10:17

will crush your bones like a fucking

10:19

hippo. I am not kidding. They are

10:21

terrifying. So I do not know what

10:23

was happening on that hog farm, but

10:25

I hope everyone is safe. Hogs terrify

10:28

me too. When people, you know, there's

10:30

a lot of hog hunting in Louisiana

10:32

and people do it with a bow

10:34

and arrow. Okay. I am, I'm

10:36

not into it, but like you said, and

10:38

we learned that on an episode. I can't

10:41

think of what show it was, but how

10:43

there was a suspicion that a young man

10:45

had died and he was eaten by hogs.

10:47

I was like, that sounds horrific. Why are

10:49

hogs? Why? They won't leave a trace of

10:51

you. They will eat your bones. It's awful.

10:54

Well, also, you know, Vernetta tells us, you

10:56

know, I used to carry the slop. I

10:58

need to meet the person who coined the

11:00

term slop. It's disgusting. And it evokes all

11:02

of these images that I don't care for.

11:04

I don't want this. Well, which ones, which

11:07

images? I think you know. I

11:09

want you to tell me. I think all the

11:11

slop. I think all of the doo-doo. I think

11:13

of fluids. I think of mud. I think of

11:16

barf. I think of- I think of corn. I

11:19

don't know why. I just imagine there's corn in

11:22

there. The pigs are like, I don't remember eating

11:24

any corn. This

11:27

name is corn. So, okay,

11:30

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13:34

not thank you. No. Vernetta

13:40

excels in school, but at the age of

13:42

16, she finds out she

13:44

is pregnant. In 1985, she gives birth to a

13:47

baby girl. I

13:50

was delighted to have Candace. Can

13:52

I just tell you really quickly? Yeah. My

13:54

little sister is named Jessica and they almost

13:57

named her Candace, but my dad said, there's

13:59

no way in hell. we're naming her Candace

14:01

because it will be a cold day in

14:03

hell before someone nicknames my daughter Candy. Oh.

14:06

It wasn't because of the song? No, I

14:08

have no idea. I taste just like candy.

14:10

No, I have no idea. There's also... Candy

14:13

Girl. Oh. Now. But

14:15

there's also... I want

14:17

candy. Do, do, do, do,

14:20

do, do, do, do. Do you know

14:22

there's that Christina Aguilera song that sounds

14:24

like a sort of USO

14:26

song, you know? Candy Man. Sweet

14:29

sugar, Candy Man. That's

14:32

a dirty song. It is a very dirty song.

14:34

That's a dirty song. That is not a USO

14:36

song. That's a dirty song. Yeah. He's a one

14:38

stop, get you hot, making all the panties drop.

14:41

Mm-hmm. You're dirty, Christina. I like

14:43

it. But here's the thing. Vernetta, she wanted

14:45

a good life. She wanted a good life

14:47

for her and her daughter. She was determined.

14:50

Yo, this woman was juggling three part-time jobs

14:52

so she could support herself and her daughter

14:54

Candace. Can we just take a second for

14:56

all the single parents out there who are

14:59

busting their ass to take care of their

15:01

family? That shit is hard and y'all deserve

15:03

a break. In fact, take a minute to

15:05

stop and sing this song with us. I'm

15:08

bad, I'm bad, I'm bad, I'm bad, I'm

15:10

bad, I'm bad, I'm bad, I'm bad. And

15:12

the whole world has to be this right

15:14

now just to tell you once again who's

15:17

bad. That's right. You are bad. You are

15:19

a bad ass and don't you forget it.

15:21

Okay, moving on. Love you, single parents. She

15:23

graduated high school in 1993 and then one

15:26

day out of the blue, she gets a

15:28

call from an old friend, an old family

15:30

friend named Richard Ellerby. Yeah, he called her

15:32

out of the blue and he was like,

15:35

I'm going through some things. I want to

15:37

come down and visit you. And she agreed.

15:39

And he was very good looking. And

15:42

then y'all strapped down your titties. The

15:44

narrator tells us... And when he arrives,

15:46

she is drawn to Richard, who is

15:48

over six feet tall and 12 years

15:51

her senior. This tall, dark,

15:53

and handsome. Okay, men, I'm going to

15:55

need you to... Are you listening? Of

15:57

course they're not listening. You're not listening to

16:00

me because... because I'm a woman and you're

16:02

not listening. Hit the fast forward button three

16:04

times. You know what, hit the fast forward

16:06

button four times. You know what, I forgot,

16:08

I'm gonna invite you back when you can

16:10

come back, okay? You too, Joey, fast forward.

16:12

Don't listen. Okay, here we go. Are you

16:14

listening? Yeah. No, I said don't

16:16

listen. I'm not listening. Ladies, what the fuck are we

16:18

doing? Okay, I get it,

16:20

you see a tall man and you

16:22

think that means a big eggplant emoji.

16:24

It's not true. It's

16:26

not true. I will tell you, it is

16:28

always the short, lanky guys that pull out

16:31

the baby's arm, okay? It's

16:33

not the tall guys. Get it out

16:35

of your head. I get it. You

16:37

wanna feel small. You wanna feel tiny,

16:39

but I'm here to tell you that

16:41

shit is toxic, okay? If they're above

16:43

six feet tall, do you hear me?

16:46

Nod your head if you hear me. And you know

16:48

what, while I have your attention and the men aren't

16:50

here, don't text him back, okay? Don't

16:53

text him back. It didn't work for a

16:55

reason. And the reason is you make terrible

16:57

decisions. And you're a cunt.

17:00

Okay, I'm gonna have the men come back. We're gonna

17:02

pretend like we didn't, none of this happened. Act like

17:05

nothing happened and we're gonna start talking about tampons in

17:07

three, two, one. I like

17:09

the absorbency. So anyway.

17:13

Hey, I didn't hear a thing. What's up? Were

17:15

you guys just talking about tampons? We were

17:18

talking about periods and tampons and vagina

17:20

bleeding and nothing that you would be

17:22

interested in. As someone who was

17:24

not listening for the past minute, I didn't hear anything

17:27

that you said about men over six feet tall. I

17:29

will say, let me tell you something. You gotta watch

17:31

out for those twinks. Cause those twinks, five foot eight,

17:33

100 pounds wet, they got

17:35

kickstands. You gotta look out for them. Yeah,

17:38

you're like, I didn't know we were filming a movie. What's

17:40

that tripod doing in here? He

17:43

extends his stay in Jonesville and the two

17:45

begin a relationship. Richard

17:47

proves to be a stabilizing force for

17:50

the hardworking single mom. I

17:52

think having a man in the house kind

17:55

of made it seem more like a family for

17:57

a Vernetta. And after three

17:59

years together, They had a son in 1996.

18:02

His name was Rishik and after baby

18:04

Rishik came things started to change Yeah,

18:07

Richard started to become very

18:09

impatient He's angered very easily

18:12

but even more worrisome is

18:14

that Richard is becoming steadily

18:16

more controlling He wanted to know where Vernetta

18:18

was going what she was doing the exact

18:20

time. She would be back. I Fucking

18:24

hate that. I don't owe you shit. I'm

18:26

going to the store or I'm going to work.

18:28

I'm back when I'm back You don't like it

18:30

talk to God. He's got more time than I

18:32

do Well, I don't understand that need like I

18:34

don't need to know the outline of every minute

18:36

every second of my partner's day I

18:38

don't care. Well, that's called control. Yes I

18:40

mean my whole thing is just like if you

18:43

don't trust me then why are you with me?

18:45

Also, we live in a town of two people

18:47

like if I were up to something nefarious you

18:49

would know exactly and we see reenactment

18:51

Richard yelling for the remote control and

18:53

Snapping for Vernetta and Vernetta is not

18:56

having it now. I understand they're using

18:58

this hypothetical Situation to show

19:00

a much bigger picture. Yeah, but I will

19:02

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19:04

you're looking for the remote control When

19:08

you're looking for the remote control you're like are

19:11

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19:13

stand up It's like no no trust everything

19:15

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19:17

everyone everyone stand up also You

19:20

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19:22

without fail when I come to your

19:24

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19:26

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19:28

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19:30

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19:32

the car keys. We can't find our shoes

19:35

We can't find our wallets. We can't find

19:37

our minds. We lost them a long time

19:39

ago. Is that just like they're with

19:41

our marbles Yeah, truly is I lost my marbles

19:43

is it ADHD or are we just well? I

19:45

don't understand we need to put an air tag

19:47

on all of our things We do that when

19:50

we're in the hotel when we're on tour. Do

19:52

you have a room key? No, do you? We'll

19:54

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19:56

keys when we check in. How do we never

19:59

have a room key? between us. It's called

20:01

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20:03

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20:05

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time he ever put his hands on me. He

22:25

flipped me upside down and dropped

22:27

me on my head. Richard completely

22:30

crosses the line. And if you watch this

22:32

episode, I'm warning you now, the reenactment

22:34

is very difficult to watch. It jolted

22:36

me. I don't know how you felt

22:38

watching it, but I was like, holy

22:40

fuck, it's very intense. I don't mean

22:42

this to sound some kind of way,

22:44

but they did a very good job

22:46

at making it look very real. And

22:48

I immediately felt myself in Vernetta's shoes.

22:50

It was really scary. Yeah. So

22:53

up until this point, he had been

22:55

disrespectful. He had been controlling. He had

22:57

been scary, all of those things. But

22:59

he never laid his hands on her,

23:01

not to say that his behavior was

23:04

acceptable before, but as you said, that

23:06

is definitely crossing a line. And this

23:08

attack was bad, but she didn't kick

23:10

him out of the house. And she

23:12

said what many women say, and that's,

23:14

she felt stuck. Yeah. Let

23:16

me tell you also, men like this,

23:19

don't be surprised when you are met with violence

23:21

at a time you don't see it coming, because

23:24

you can push someone and think that they're

23:26

like a pushover or very docile, but

23:28

everyone has their breaking point. I remember

23:30

in high school hearing a story about

23:33

a woman whose husband hit her after

23:35

she found out that he was cheating,

23:37

and she confronted him, and he beat

23:39

her up really badly. So that night

23:41

when he went to bed, she made

23:44

a large pot of scalding hot

23:46

vegetable soup. And as he slept,

23:48

she poured it all over him, and

23:50

she moved out that very night. Y'all better be

23:52

careful, because one day you're gonna fuck with the

23:54

wrong one. Sometimes I feel like a little kid

23:57

when I watch things like this or hear things

23:59

about this, because I just could never

24:01

understand how you can say to someone, I

24:03

love you and I care about you, and

24:05

put your hands on them. I don't understand

24:07

it. Anyway. Well, two years pass and it's

24:09

2001 and they get married. More

24:12

on that later. I have some side research

24:15

as to that decision. And his temper doesn't

24:17

get any better. He would lash out,

24:20

but I wouldn't understand why. There

24:22

was other things that were going on

24:24

with him that I didn't know. She

24:27

felt trapped. The abuse was getting

24:29

worse. And then she tells us

24:31

that in addition to all of

24:33

this controlling behavior, the physical behavior,

24:36

he also sexually assaulted her. Intimate

24:38

partner rape is a very real

24:40

thing. And she

24:42

felt immense shame. She couldn't talk

24:45

to anyone at her church or

24:47

her family. The intense and profound

24:49

shame that is present in DV

24:51

situations is inexplicable. And then how

24:54

do you explain to someone? Because

24:56

when you're married, you have

24:58

sex. How do you

25:00

explain rape in a marriage?

25:02

But it's very real and it's

25:04

something that is even more underreported

25:06

than domestic violence situations. And that

25:09

is due to that shame. We're

25:11

husband and wife. We share a

25:13

bed. We should do that. But

25:15

it doesn't matter because no still

25:17

means no when you're married. Absolutely.

25:20

I think the whole point of

25:22

Richard's behavior, the way he treated

25:24

her, the way he abused her,

25:26

was to make her feel absolutely

25:28

powerless. And it worked. I mean, this poor

25:30

woman, when she was telling her story, all I wanted

25:32

to do was wrap my arms around her. So now it's

25:35

July 4th, 2002. Vernetta

25:37

wanted the family to have an outing to celebrate

25:39

Independence Day. So they pack up and they're

25:41

going to have a picnic. But then Richard,

25:43

in one of his moods, out of the

25:46

blue, says, I changed my mind. I'm going

25:48

off on my own. Get out of the

25:50

car. And Vernetta's like, no, we have a

25:52

day planned. The kids are in the car.

25:54

We've packed everything up. I got the sparklers

25:56

from Walmart, the legal kind. What are you

25:58

doing? They were literally... ready to

26:00

go. He didn't like that answer.

26:03

And Richard grabbed a baseball bat

26:05

and attacked Vernetta with it. In

26:07

front of her 17-year-old daughter, Candace.

26:09

So Candace calls the police and

26:11

thankfully they show up and arrest

26:13

Richard for assault. But the most

26:16

insane part of this is that Richard

26:18

was allowed to bail himself out and

26:20

he's home that same day. But Vernetta

26:22

does not let him back in the

26:24

house. She says, get the fuck out

26:26

of here, find your way back to

26:28

New Jersey. I hear the turnpike is

26:30

lovely this time of year. Then she

26:32

started throwing his shit out of the

26:34

second story window. Please listen to what

26:36

Vernetta says. I put in plastic bags.

26:38

I was trying to be nice. That

26:41

fucking took me out.

26:44

I wish I knew Vernetta. I

26:46

would have come to your house

26:48

and sprinkled the fucking front lawn

26:50

with his Tommy Bahama shirts. I

26:53

would have been right there with you. I

26:55

don't know shit about fuck, but I do

26:57

know that Vernetta was a whole lot nicer

26:59

than I would have been good on fucking

27:01

you, Vernetta. Fucking fertilized that

27:04

lawn with his Calvin Klein.

27:07

So Richard takes his shit and leaves

27:09

and Vernetta is hoping that that

27:11

is the end of that. But

27:14

it's not because this piece of

27:16

rumpled foreskin starts following her everywhere.

27:18

And I mean everywhere. The

27:20

bank, the grocery store, her friend's house,

27:22

church, everywhere she happened to be, Richard

27:25

would show up. I say this all

27:27

the time with these people. Do they

27:29

not have jobs? Do you call out

27:31

stalking? No, I'm so sorry. I have

27:33

to be on a schedule. How does

27:36

this work? And she

27:38

very intelligently said, I

27:41

think he just liked seeing me

27:43

squirm, seeing me react. That is

27:45

stalking. He was calling her. He

27:47

was following her. He was messing

27:49

with her fuse box. He is

27:52

violent. He is impulsive. He is

27:54

unpredictable. We talked about that last

27:56

week and she is scared for

27:58

her life. She should be.

28:00

Yes, absolutely, because the thing is, is

28:03

that Richard does not view her as

28:05

someone he loves. He doesn't view her

28:07

as his wife. He views her as

28:09

his possession. He owns her. And now

28:11

he's not in the driver's seat anymore.

28:13

And the fact that he can't control

28:15

her makes him feel out of control.

28:17

One of the ways that he can

28:19

get control is by following her around

28:22

and scaring the shit out of her.

28:24

And finally, Vernetta goes to the police

28:26

and files for a restraining order against

28:28

him, which is granted. So if he

28:30

comes near her, he goes to jail.

28:32

But it doesn't help. Of

28:34

course not. She's having trouble sleeping. She

28:36

can't concentrate. She's paranoid. So much so

28:38

that she begins carrying a gun with

28:40

her in the car. And I don't

28:42

blame her. Yeah, we're going to learn

28:45

that that was actually a very good

28:47

decision. Listen, I'm sure she's thinking, I'm

28:49

doing what I have to do. At

28:51

this point, it's either you or me,

28:54

and it ain't going to be me. Mm-hmm. Oh,

28:59

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29:01

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32:00

there's a protective order. They should be able to

32:02

figure that out, look it up, at least investigate

32:04

this, but to say that there's nothing they can

32:06

do is complete negligence on their part in my

32:08

mind. What is your actual

32:11

job? Yep. I mean, I

32:13

believe, I believe, I could be wrong.

32:15

I could get Anthony Rakowski on the

32:17

phone. I believe your job literally says

32:19

to serve and protect. Yep. Isn't

32:22

that like written somewhere? Even if this

32:24

woman doesn't have a protective order, let's

32:26

say it didn't even exist, which it

32:29

does, the town over, which should be

32:31

good for the entire United States, like

32:33

you said, if she says she fears

32:35

for her life, isn't that your job

32:38

to protect her or pretend to protect

32:40

her? Go through the motions. Yep. Go

32:43

over there, see what she's worried about, see

32:45

what she's scared about. If anyone is scared,

32:47

isn't that just called being a good human?

32:49

Like go see what she's, and now, sorry,

32:52

computer says, no. What are

32:54

we fucking doing? All

32:56

you have to do is send

32:58

one cop over, send one

33:01

patrolman over to assess the

33:03

situation. If someone says, I

33:06

do not feel safe, your job is

33:08

literally to go and make sure that

33:10

that person feels safe. Do the bare

33:12

minimum. You took an oath to protect

33:14

and serve. The sad thing is, is

33:16

like, what else can Vernetta do? She's

33:18

gotta go home. She's got two kids.

33:20

So she leaves the diner and heads

33:23

straight to the car. But of course,

33:25

Richard catches her by the neck and

33:27

whispers in her ear, if you scream

33:29

or if you yell, I will snap

33:31

your neck. And what's more terrifying than

33:33

hearing those words is the fact that

33:35

she is in a public place where

33:37

people must have seen something. She's in

33:39

a parking lot, and he's threatening to

33:41

kill her publicly in front of people,

33:44

in front of potential witnesses. That man

33:46

is terrifying. So he puts her in

33:48

her car and tells her to drive

33:50

to his house. She's terrified. Of course,

33:52

she's gonna do anything that he says.

33:54

And so she tells us she's certain

33:56

this is the day that she is

33:58

gonna die. thinks this is

34:00

it. He is going to kill me

34:03

today. Now remember, Vernetta is a down

34:05

bitch. She has that gun in her

34:07

car. So when they get to his

34:09

house, she grabs it and she hits

34:11

him with the butt of the gun

34:13

and she gets, you know, a good

34:16

shot in. Doesn't stop him. Richard grabs

34:18

Vernetta and slams her into a brick

34:20

wall again. This reenactment jolted

34:22

me. It's very violent to watch and

34:24

have you ever hit your head like

34:26

hard? Yeah. Yeah. This sounds stupid. I

34:28

got hit in the head in beach

34:30

blanket with a tambourine. I know that

34:33

sounds stupid but it gave me such

34:35

a goose egg. Yeah. It was scary.

34:37

It was casting a shadow. It was

34:39

a big old goose egg. Yeah. And

34:41

I got nicked with a tambourine. Yeah.

34:43

The gayest way to get a goose

34:45

egg. But it still was scary and

34:47

it **** hurt and you know,

34:50

those things swell up so fast. Yeah.

34:52

Also, I have hit my head on

34:54

the ground really hard and you truly

34:57

see stars. It takes you out of it.

34:59

You are not here on planet Earth and

35:01

it takes a minute to be able to

35:03

collect yourself and bring yourself back to planet

35:05

Earth. She thinks he's going to kill her

35:07

but what he does next shocks her to

35:09

the core. He calls

35:11

the police and tells them he's gonna press charges

35:16

because I came to his house with

35:18

a gun. I realized

35:20

that I'm gonna set up. He

35:22

wants to press charges against Vernetta

35:24

because she showed up on his

35:27

property with a gun and she

35:29

assaulted him. Yeah. All true information

35:31

but you're leaving out really important

35:33

bits of it, my guy. Yep.

35:35

So, the police come take pictures

35:37

of her and she is definitely

35:39

bruised and beaten but he says

35:41

he was acting in

35:43

self defense. So, the cops arrest

35:45

him obviously because he hurt her.

35:48

JK, they arrest Vernetta, the victim,

35:50

the victim who has begged for

35:52

help, the victim who just an

35:54

hour before tried to get the

35:56

police to protect her. What is

35:59

happening? Please help me understand, because

36:01

I'm not a cop, I'm not

36:03

a lawyer, I'm not a judge,

36:05

I don't know this, okay? But

36:07

wouldn't they take both of their

36:10

IDs, run their names and their

36:12

social security numbers through the system

36:14

and see that she has an

36:16

order of protection against him? Why

36:19

would they do that? The bare minimum. The

36:21

bare minimum. That would be the bare minimum.

36:23

They're not doing the bare minimum today.

36:26

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36:31

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36:33

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38:34

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38:36

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38:38

and thank God for this man because

38:41

he took one look at her and

38:43

he knew immediately, this woman is

38:45

the victim in this situation, not

38:47

Richard. And he worked diligently to

38:49

have the charges against her dropped,

38:51

and Vernetta was released. The

38:54

way in which I would have sued that

38:56

police department, that police department would be called

38:58

Joey's motherfucking gay police department, and every cop

39:00

would be in hot shorts and stilettos because

39:02

every day we would what? Serve.

39:05

We are serving here.

39:11

So they turn around and they arrest him

39:14

with assault and violating the protective order, and

39:16

he's released on a $100,000 bond. Just kidding.

39:20

A $3,000 bond. $3,000? Why don't you just make

39:22

that $0.15 and a grab bag of fucking Fritos?

39:29

Why have any bond in fact? Why? What are

39:31

we even doing? Why are we even pretending that

39:33

anybody is going to do anything? Also,

39:36

side research, it was a $1,000

39:38

bond. What? I don't understand. This

39:40

man has proven himself to be dangerous and

39:43

a threat to Vernetta. Why

39:45

should he be allowed to roam the streets

39:47

while he waits for his trial date? He

39:49

clearly doesn't give a fuck about that restraining

39:51

order. I don't understand. Oh, do you want

39:54

me to tell you or did you want

39:56

to just live in ignorant bliss? No,

39:58

I understand what it is. and

42:00

to say this, I literally was thinking, race has

42:02

to play a role in this, because we are

42:04

dealing, this is a black family. And then Dr.

42:06

Ward says this. I'm reticent to believe

42:09

that in this day and age, race could really

42:11

play a part in this type of an issue,

42:13

but it's hard for me

42:15

to understand why I keep

42:17

coming across cases in which

42:19

an African-American victim is not receiving the

42:21

help they need from law enforcement. I

42:23

don't know who they're being paid to

42:26

protect, but it's not Vernetta. You know,

42:28

we continue to see cases in which

42:30

cops fail to protect marginalized groups. And

42:32

in fact, more than that, they're targeted.

42:34

And I don't wanna hear not all

42:36

cops. I know it's not all cops,

42:38

but if you can't see that there

42:40

is at times a discrepancy in which

42:42

the way white folks are protected and

42:44

advocated for by the police, by the

42:46

media, versus how people of color are,

42:48

you're living under a rock or you're

42:50

choosing to ignore it. And Vernetta was

42:52

absolutely not protected by the local police.

42:54

They clearly did not give a shit

42:56

whether this family lived or died. I

42:58

kept feeling something as I was noting

43:00

this episode and I'm like, oh, I

43:02

was getting like, my heart was racing.

43:04

And then I realized by this point,

43:06

I was full of rage, rage for

43:08

this family because they did not give

43:10

a fuck. They don't give

43:12

a fuck until it's too late every

43:15

time. So she has the warrant. She's

43:17

like, can you arrest him now? And

43:19

before you can say, he's digging my

43:21

fucking grave over there, Richard just drives

43:23

by. He's like, hey, kind of like

43:26

taunting her. And the cops, this is

43:28

what they say in the episode. The

43:30

cops are like, we'll arrest him today.

43:32

Arrest him now. Turn

43:34

on your little blunty lights, go fucking drive.

43:37

You don't even have to go to the

43:39

speed limit. You're a cop. Go

43:41

drive and fucking get, we'll get him.

43:43

We'll get him. We gotta go swing

43:45

by. Those Boston cream donuts ain't gonna

43:48

eat themselves. Oh, don't worry though, they

43:50

promised. They promised they would arrest

43:52

him. So now, Vernetta is thinking,

43:55

finally, thank fucking God, something will

43:57

change. and

46:01

out of nowhere, Richard

46:03

attacks her, pushes her to the

46:05

ground, he's got a knife, and

46:08

everything goes black. Yeah, she said

46:10

when he lunged at me, he

46:12

had eyes like Manson. That painted

46:15

such a clear picture for me.

46:18

So you have to remember, Richard is

46:20

over six feet tall. He is a

46:22

very large man, and Vernetta is teeny

46:24

weeny. So he overpowers her, he is

46:26

straddling her, and she can't fight back.

46:29

She can't do anything, and this man

46:31

pulls out a knife, and he slits

46:33

her throat. Then he gets up and

46:35

leaves her to die. This poor woman,

46:37

she is blacked out, but after a

46:39

few minutes, mercifully, she comes to, and

46:41

she said, I thought I could hear

46:44

my daughter, Candace, telling me to get

46:46

up off the floor, but when I

46:48

opened my eyes and I looked around,

46:50

I didn't see her anywhere. This woman,

46:52

this warrior woman, makes her

46:54

way to the front door. She's bleeding everywhere.

46:57

She has her throat slit. She

46:59

runs to the police station. She

47:02

falls into the police station and

47:04

collapses in the lobby. And what

47:06

I wanted her to say was,

47:09

do you fucking believe me now?

47:12

Well, she collapsed in the arms of

47:14

the sheriff, and all I could think

47:16

is, you have blood on your hands.

47:18

You literally have blood on your hands.

47:21

And the fact that she had to

47:23

show up at your front doorstep with

47:25

her throat cut open for you to

47:27

do something, it is a travesty. So,

47:29

Vernetta is rushed to the hospital, and

47:32

the cops head to her home, and,

47:35

sorry, like. It's okay, baby. Not

47:39

really like, caught me. It's really awful.

47:41

Yeah, this is a really dark one.

47:43

When they enter her home, they find

47:45

her 17-year-old daughter, Candace, murdered. Candace

47:48

had been bound with

47:50

tape on her hands

47:53

and her feet. She had

47:55

put up a significant fight. Her

47:57

fingers were broken. She

47:59

had been killed. bruises from head to toe, broken

48:02

ribs, fractures. And

48:05

he had stabbed her to death. It's

48:07

awful. I was so

48:10

angry when I heard this because that

48:12

child had to pay for the negligence

48:14

of the police. Yep. How

48:17

do you go on? I mean, Vernetta

48:19

survived. Vernetta is here and she survived

48:21

and her daughter is gone. And that's

48:23

just not the way, obviously

48:25

murder is not supposed to happen, but that's

48:28

just not the way it's supposed to be.

48:30

I mean, I'm not trying to make light

48:32

of this, but it's the Sally field where

48:34

it's like, I'm supposed to go first. It's

48:37

not natural to lose your child. No. It's

48:40

not natural. That's not the way it's supposed to

48:42

be. No, and Vernetta had this to say. I

48:45

couldn't breathe. I

48:48

mean, it was really, really,

48:50

really hard to breathe. I'm

48:53

the person that it was waiting

48:55

for. It wasn't Candice, it was me. This

48:58

woman's heartbreak is palpable. It was really

49:00

hard to hear that. I was really

49:02

hoping that it wouldn't come to this,

49:04

but I could feel it. And why

49:07

does someone have to die in order

49:09

for anyone in a

49:11

position of power to take a case

49:13

like this seriously? Why would this person

49:15

keep calling the police, keep reaching out

49:17

if they weren't telling the truth? It's

49:20

just, I don't understand. So

49:23

anyway, Richard is on the run. Three

49:25

days after the murder, they finally find

49:27

Richard. And

49:29

this piece of shit had doused

49:31

himself in gasoline, set himself on

49:33

fire, and he died, rot in

49:37

hell. Dr. Ward mentioned that she thought he

49:39

did this out of sheer guilt. Do you

49:41

agree with that? I think he probably hated

49:43

himself. I think there was probably mental illness.

49:45

And I don't think it was out of

49:47

guilt. I don't think it was because he

49:49

felt bad. I think it was that he

49:52

didn't want to get caught. And

49:54

he's a coward. That's what cowards do. A

49:56

coward hurts women. A coward hurts children.

49:58

Yeah. And a coward can't face their

50:00

own consequences of their own actions, and

50:02

that was his last form of control.

50:05

Right. Was controlling the way he left

50:07

this earth. Right. He controlled the way

50:09

Candace left this earth, and then he

50:11

controlled the way he did. And for

50:13

all he knew, he thought Vernetta was

50:15

dead as well. Right. It wasn't guilt.

50:17

It wasn't because he felt bad. People

50:19

that do that don't have remorse. Yeah,

50:22

I kept thinking about Vernetta and how

50:24

he robbed her of the opportunity to

50:26

look him in his eyes, see

50:28

the pain that he's caused, and

50:30

basically give her her day in court to

50:32

curse that man up and down or not,

50:34

or say whatever her peace was, whatever it

50:37

was. She doesn't get to do

50:39

that. Well, let me tell you something.

50:41

In 2009, Vernetta sued the city of

50:43

Jonesville for negligence and wrongful death, and

50:45

she won what I would imagine is

50:48

a very large settlement. Oh, I'll tell

50:50

you how much the settlement is and

50:52

you'll rage again, but go on. Well,

50:54

also, who fucking cares? Yeah. Because that

50:56

doesn't bring Candace back. Hopefully, it prevents

50:59

anything like this from happening again, but

51:01

again, I keep coming back to, why

51:03

do we have to get to this

51:05

point for someone to go, maybe we

51:07

should reassess? Yeah. You know? Yeah.

51:11

I'm really mad. Oh, this is infuriating. In

51:13

2009, North Carolina enacted something called

51:15

Candace's Law, which cracks down on

51:18

people who violate protective orders, and

51:20

Vernetta tells us exactly what Candace's

51:22

Law is. Candace's Law

51:24

states that if you

51:26

have a restraining order in place, you

51:31

must arrest. So

51:34

no more of the pat on the

51:36

wrist for

51:38

Candace. You know, that's

51:41

wonderful. That's great. But a child had

51:43

to die for them to enact any

51:46

kind of legislation to protect

51:48

people. Protective orders are just a

51:50

piece of paper. Why was he able

51:52

to bail himself out the first time? Why was his

51:55

bail $1,000 the second time? Why

51:57

was he out on bail? and

52:00

digging graves. When

52:02

people tell you who they are, believe them.

52:04

When he says I'm going to kill them

52:07

and put them in a grave, you should

52:09

believe them. Yeah, she must have played the

52:11

voicemail he left on her machine. They had

52:13

everything. Yes, you are right. A order of

52:16

protection is just a piece of paper. But we

52:18

have people in positions of power who

52:20

are supposed to be there to enforce

52:22

it. They had more than they needed

52:24

to make that arrest more than once.

52:26

I cannot believe that race

52:28

did not play a role in

52:30

this. Absolutely. It had to

52:32

have. Well, I have

52:34

a little bit of information that I researched

52:37

on this. I was very curious about some

52:39

things. First of all, she had a third

52:41

child. The summer of 2001,

52:43

she was pregnant and Richard insisted

52:45

they get married. I was very

52:47

curious as to why she got

52:50

married. Now, the pastor at their

52:52

church who was counseling them did

52:54

not trust Richard farther than he

52:56

could throw him at the church

52:59

picnic and refused to conduct the

53:01

ceremony. Wow. So then

53:03

Vernetta was like, cool, great. I'm

53:06

out of that one. One day he

53:09

offered to drive Vernetta to the grocery

53:11

store. And instead of going to the

53:13

grocery store, he drove to

53:15

the courthouse. And that

53:17

day they were married. But guess what?

53:19

Vernetta never said I do. She

53:22

said, quote, I cried the entire

53:24

time I never said a word.

53:26

He spoke for me. Wow.

53:29

So she was quite literally married

53:31

against her will. And then their

53:33

third child, Dominique, was born February 26,

53:35

2002. So

53:38

in that wrongful death case against

53:40

the police, Vernetta was awarded $430,000.

53:44

What? Listen,

53:47

no amount of money is going

53:49

to fill the void in any

53:51

parent's heart when their child is

53:53

lost. But I do believe in

53:55

monetary compensation in order to punish.

53:58

I thought that was going to be for the first time.

54:00

for millions, Joey. Me too. I thought

54:02

we were looking at least five million. You

54:05

know, it's just money. Anybody who's ever lost

54:07

anyone or sued anyone, they would give it

54:09

all back to have their family back. Of

54:11

course. But that is the final slap in

54:14

the face. That was $430,000. Wow.

54:20

This is so tragic

54:22

and so sad. And I'm

54:24

sorry, not shocking. I

54:27

hate to say that, but there are

54:29

people listening who find themselves in situations

54:31

that they possibly can't get out of

54:33

or are in dangerous situations. So I

54:35

want you to know that the National

54:37

Domestic Violence Hotline is 1-800-799-SAFE. 1-800-799-7233.

54:45

There is also RAIN, the Rape,

54:47

Abuse and Incest National Network

54:49

Hotline. For anyone else who

54:51

might need help, intimate partner rape,

54:53

intimate partner abuse, please call 1-800-656-HOPE.

54:58

That's 1-800-656-4673. Vernetta

55:03

continues to speak out against domestic

55:05

violence in the name of her

55:08

daughter, Candace, and talk

55:10

about a colossal failure. You all

55:12

should be ashamed of yourselves. Yes,

55:14

you should. You all do not

55:17

serve or protect for shit because

55:20

Candace isn't the only one. No, of course

55:22

not. I wish that whole entire police force

55:24

would turn in their badges because you are

55:26

disgrace. You are disgrace to the good ones.

55:29

Say something funny. Well, all I

55:31

can think is, is that I would

55:33

like to be hired as the new

55:35

sheriff of that police department so that

55:37

I could enforce new rules for the

55:39

police department. And the first thing I

55:41

would do is line them all up

55:43

and I would take a big old

55:45

dildo and just slap them all across

55:47

the face one by one, back and

55:49

forth. And then I would play Donna

55:51

Summer all day, every day, relentlessly. In

55:53

fact, I would turn all their sirens

55:55

into, she works hard for the money. So that's

55:57

how you knew you had to pull over. And I

55:59

am not. I would put all of every

56:01

one of them. Your uniform is now nipple clamps,

56:03

a thong, and stilettos.

56:05

Enjoy. Protect and serve.

56:08

Seems fair. La-ka-kong-kong. La-ka-kong. Ba-ba-ba.

56:11

Wait, what, what, what? Beep,

56:14

beep, beep. Ba-boo-ba-ba-ba. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Beep,

56:16

beep. Bia-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Beep, beep. Honey,

56:18

I think we have to

56:20

pull over. We're

56:22

serving or not

56:24

serving. F**k

56:28

you. Literally. F**k

56:30

those please. And honestly, I do

56:33

not hate cops. I know cops.

56:35

Yeah. I know good cops

56:37

hate those f**king cops. Yeah. I

56:39

know that for a f**king fact. Oh, man. If

56:42

I ever see Vernetta, I just would

56:44

love consensually to hug her for 15

56:46

minutes. Yeah, not let go.

56:49

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