0:00

When people come up to you and they say, Casey, I'm

0:02

thinking about being a YouTuber. If the word Mr.

0:04

Beast is anywhere in their answer, my

0:06

response is don't.

0:07

I love New York City. When people hate New York City,

0:09

I get it. I watched a guy take a s*** on my skateboard

0:11

right up here. It's like, yeah, dude, isn't it? It's New York.

0:13

I love

0:14

it. I never had like real money until I sold my car money.

0:16

How much you make off of that? Right around 36 million. I

0:18

spent most of that money on Prime, though, which

0:21

like, you know, the superintendent at the building

0:23

next to my office, I go out there and there's like this dude

0:25

beating the s*** out of me. So I go over and I jump in. The

0:27

guy who like has his face half covered and he's

0:29

like, Yo, you're Casey. You know?

0:39

I noticed something, you're talking

0:41

a lot today. You are yapping. Yeah,

0:44

so he's talking to you. No,

0:46

no, no, no,

0:48

no, no. I always said people

0:51

have mentioned that since the beginning of this podcast. And

0:54

my thoughts on it always was, well, what am

0:56

I supposed to do on a talk show? Yo, get the

0:58

f*** out of the way, Jorge. Jorge, are

1:01

you crazy? What are you

1:03

doing? What are you doing? What are

1:05

you doing?

1:07

Someone check that camera. How do we even know if it's still

1:09

rolling? I cannot. Mike's yapping. Jorge's

1:12

throwing the cameras across the room. I cannot believe you've

1:14

called into concern my talking. On a podcast?

1:17

On a talk show. It's honestly unbelievable. It's

1:19

honestly unbelievable. No, just the last podcast

1:21

with Sophia Franklin.

1:22

Oh, yeah. Great. Juicy. It was a juicy

1:25

one. She's going to have some hurdles to overcome, to

1:27

say the least. What do you mean? I

1:29

think she's going to have some trouble finding a mate.

1:32

Well, me and Sophia, we just have this like, we're just

1:35

talking about you. I'm not talking about you. This

1:37

is what I'm saying. I wasn't even

1:39

talking about Mike. He goes, well, you know, me. Well,

1:41

the math ain't math. You were talking to me. Then

1:43

you switched topics. And then all of a sudden I was able to

1:46

keep up and know that you weren't anymore. You were

1:48

just doing this. And somehow

1:50

you always end up making it about you. Oh,

1:53

now you're a commenter. Now you're one of the people

1:55

from the comments. What'd you name the show, Logan

1:57

Paul? Impulsive. I'm down to change

1:59

your name.

1:59

I've got to change the name. And

2:02

Mike Siv. No, what? No, how about

2:04

just something? No, that way you sit in this seat

2:07

and I can just sit there and do nothing. Well, that's

2:09

what you do anyways, just from that. Like

2:11

what? Welcome back to

2:14

this episode of Shit Show, called Impulsive,

2:16

the number one podcast in the world. Thank you guys for listening, watching,

2:18

viewing and subscribing. Back with another episode,

2:20

hit that subscribe button. Our guest

2:22

got here today on an electric skateboard.

2:25

And I know that because he just walked in with it. Looking

2:27

as cool as ever. Style

2:30

by himself. Electric skateboard

2:32

still doing, I don't know how, you don't even have a helmet.

2:35

Did I tie this this way? Yeah, I know literally.

2:37

Yeah, perfect. Insane. Yeah, perfect,

2:39

yes. Dude, some blue

2:41

collar ass jeans on. You even got, what's

2:45

up with that belt?

2:46

For safety. Hi, I was the first time in your new

2:48

place. Yeah, welcome to my new place. How

2:50

you doing, bro? Mike will

2:52

never be able to afford this place. How are you, man? Good

2:55

to see you, bro. Are you comfortable

2:57

with us just rolling into it? Or

3:00

do you want a small talk after? We could have started

3:02

in the elevator and I would have been good with it. Okay,

3:04

cool.

3:05

Are we sure, are

3:07

we sure beyond a reasonable

3:09

doubt that the sound

3:12

on this episode today with Casey Neistat

3:15

is actually good? I want

3:17

to caution the audience and everyone in this fucking

3:20

room that we have shot an episode with Casey Neistat

3:22

before. We didn't film it underwater, but

3:24

when it came out, the sound

3:27

was underwater. Remember,

3:29

like the mic didn't work and you had to use the

3:31

audio from one of the cameras or something? Correct. Oh,

3:34

that's- I'm gonna do a-

3:35

I don't remember anything. I know that. Well,

3:37

everybody on YouTube was pissed because they were like, you finally

3:40

do an episode with this YouTube fucking

3:42

heavyweight. Yeah. You know how

3:44

Mr. Rogers changes his outfit when he goes into-

3:47

Yeah, wait, what did you just do? Because they look

3:49

similar. So these are like the new camera

3:51

glasses, the Ray-Ban ones. Oh, cool.

3:54

They're kind of good. Like they did it-

3:58

Can I have headphones? Yeah. Yeah, we have.

3:59

We have we have had one for you

4:02

How dare we? I especially have the mic set

4:04

it's kind of sound good. Yeah, yeah for sure

4:06

So push the button on the right

4:08

right here, and it'll just like

4:11

it's on the top It's on the side. Yeah, you feel

4:13

no no on the top. You'll feel it It's like a little

4:15

got it did it go like and there's like a white light

4:17

right here no white

4:18

light No, I

4:20

didn't make a noise. No. I just heard the

4:22

click show. I turned it off. I turned it up. Okay take them

4:24

off This is gonna use

4:26

up our full hour How

4:29

are these just not the snapchat glasses that came out five

4:31

years ago?

4:33

Cuz they're made by Ray-Ban. I don't

4:36

know I don't fucking work for them I just like

4:38

the idea because they look like my glasses

4:40

and they record video. That's like just

4:43

Barely good enough to use in collaboration

4:45

with meta right

4:47

are these the matter you work for mark Zuckerberg

4:49

That sounded like a but are you being paid to say

4:51

this night? Yes, then yes in collaboration The

4:55

only reason I said it really was because you should be

4:57

the lead promoter of this product

4:59

I'm sorry this sunglasses are talking to me, and

5:01

they're making all sorts of noises And

5:04

they're loud so what I like how well how is it

5:06

getting into my head? You know what I'm talking to have like the speakers

5:08

here. I have to that part pretty guys We are

5:10

like precious time together, and we're spending it

5:12

talking about

5:14

This is a cool product,

5:16

but my mic with so many things

5:18

to talk about Recently fell through the earth

5:21

into the middle of into hell

5:23

from New York City through a sidewalk We saw the

5:25

TV of you kicking in a sidewalk you well first off

5:27

besides the vandalization You

5:31

saw the entire New York City pipe system,

5:33

okay? So what these gentlemen are talking about is

5:36

I was walking down Broadway

5:38

on the east side of the street. I felt a

5:41

slight Indentation like a mushiness

5:43

in the concrete which is not

5:46

How the sidewalk supposed to feel and I click record

5:48

on my phone and push my toe in the the

5:50

street collapse beneath me

5:54

Really interesting stuff guys, but

5:57

as someone who spent my life movies

6:00

and videos and lives or dies by

6:03

the views and how many people

6:05

choose to watch my stuff the fact

6:07

that now at age 42 6 billion

6:10

video views into my career the most

6:12

watched video I've ever made is

6:15

a shitty cell phone clip with

6:17

no cuts of a hole in the ground that

6:19

did a hundred million views in five days on

6:21

TikTok yeah

6:23

take what I can get what if you had fallen in

6:26

or anyone I don't you know so

6:28

I was like I was way

6:30

somewhere with like my family and I saw a video

6:33

clip of like something similar in a different part of

6:35

the city and I was like ah if I was in the city I'd go

6:37

there and like make a video about that so I

6:39

was walking down the street my buddy Hunter and

6:42

I felt it I knew exactly what it was

6:44

I was

6:44

like I positively there's a thing called hollow

6:46

sidewalks you know you talk about like a New

6:49

York City sinkhole a hollow sidewalk means

6:51

it's a sidewalk and there's nothing beneath it there's no earth

6:53

beneath it Wow and like hollow sidewalks

6:55

there's always like warning don't back your fucking

6:57

garbage truck onto the sidewalk it'll collapse

7:00

and it was a hollow sidewalk and I felt that and I was like

7:03

but what I didn't know is when I pushed the phone through it it was

7:05

like a 30 foot drop and the

7:07

whole bar and then that one clip

7:09

it was like so accidentally perfect and

7:11

I turned it around I like sure it's my

7:14

buddy I was like this is gonna pop off

7:16

do you regret not taking

7:18

a step falling through suing New York

7:21

City making a buck

7:22

you know there were a couple cops in right there

7:24

and they said that to me I was like

7:26

officers I was like officers I don't know if you're the ones

7:28

I should be telling there's a hole over

7:30

there someone's gonna die and they're like you

7:32

know if you got hurt that's a pretty check to

7:35

me yeah thanks for the hot tip guys

7:38

that's not how I want to make my you know yeah

7:41

I hope to get there you know I want to get that Logan

7:43

Paul Prime money someday yeah but

7:45

I'd like to do it by coming out my own sports drink

7:47

not falling

7:48

through the hole and

7:50

the side we appreciate your support on Prime

7:52

by the way it was Halloween we

7:54

saw your Halloween costume it was the Prime inflatable

7:56

you know I I was just I did a video

7:58

with mr. Beasto

9:59

out, I read what's on it, I'm like, hmm, this is interesting.

10:02

I'm not convinced it's good for you, despite what Logan says,

10:04

but I'm pretty sure it's better for you

10:05

than Gatorade. And I drink it,

10:07

I'm like, this is a good product. I'm able

10:10

to like it, regardless of you.

10:12

Like, I like the t-shirts

10:14

that I buy from my favorite YouTubers, but the minute

10:16

I don't like them or they get canceled, or it's not cool

10:18

to like them, I stop wearing it. It's

10:21

a good note for any creator trying to make a product. Yeah, I think

10:23

so. I think this is like probably the smartest

10:26

creator-led business

10:28

I've ever seen in the history of Creator

10:30

Universe. I think it has more clout

10:32

than

10:33

Logan and KSI. It's insane.

10:35

It outgrew us. How old are your kids?

10:37

Five and eight, and like the

10:39

fact that my eight-year-old lives and dies by Prime.

10:43

It's absurd. I don't know who you are. I don't

10:45

know how the demo got that young. I don't know how it

10:47

got that young. I was on

10:50

FaceTime with you two days ago, and I was like, Francine,

10:52

say hi to Logan, he's the one who sends us to Prime, and she's like, hey,

10:55

he

10:55

doesn't give a shit. He's

10:58

a Prime baller. She's like, yo! That's

11:01

crazy. So you did something right. Something.

11:04

How'd you get that? You just developed

11:06

a product or raised money for

11:08

the

11:10

web cam, the Hi-Def

11:12

web cam? Invest

11:14

in it.

11:15

Oh yeah, yeah, I'm an investor in that. Opal. They make a

11:17

good product. Oh, you didn't invest? Oh, you didn't

11:19

make it? No, it's like I do a lot of angel investing.

11:21

Okay. Especially since selling my tech company,

11:24

and it comes from a place of like,

11:26

when I was raising capital for my company, it

11:28

was like one or two people. It was like, people are like, this

11:30

guy's got a really good idea. I want to invest

11:33

in him, which was like no one. Or

11:36

it was everyone, which was like, I believe

11:38

in you.

11:39

And that's sort of my doctrine when it comes

11:41

to investing. I either believe in the person

11:44

or I believe in the product. So like Opal, which is

11:46

fantastic. It's the best web cam ever.

11:50

Like the product they sent to me, I was like, oh shit, finally,

11:52

why didn't anybody else do this? And then I met

11:54

the founders and I was like, this is a great team. But

11:57

Opal was like one of, you know, probably 30.

11:59

Companies that I've taken a

12:02

small position in that I hope to see succeed

12:05

have any of them taken off angel

12:07

investing is tricky

12:08

Yeah, I mean I've had

12:11

I've had a

12:12

couple of had two wins That

12:15

have put me in the black for every check

12:18

I've ever written

12:19

Whoa, which is crazy one was your sale.

12:22

No, no, I didn't Oh, I mean that's a different

12:24

my own company Yeah, but I had agency there

12:26

like that company was gonna succeed or die because

12:28

of me and Angel investing

12:30

I think is different like the angel part comes from the fact

12:32

that you just kind of like write a check and then Say

12:34

a prayer Say

12:38

you'll see your money again. Yeah and 28 out of 30 times. I have not

12:40

yeah Yeah,

12:43

yeah yet and it's young like I only

12:45

I never had money until I like real money until

12:48

I sold my company which is 2017 I think

12:52

25 25 mil

12:53

I mean guys

12:56

who's keeping track you and how much

12:58

how much you make off of that?

13:00

So the equity sale was

13:02

no I wasn't allowed to say this for like four years because

13:04

of an NDA Oh really the

13:06

equity sale was 25 million. So what was

13:09

announced to the public was that it was 25 million That's what they paid

13:11

for the company itself But then

13:13

we

13:14

had like a fat comp package and like

13:16

all this other shit So it was like the total sale

13:18

was like right around 36 million

13:21

Which was great, which is great like

13:23

a really happy outcome like the greatest

13:25

day in any one of it a Lot

13:28

I did really well I did really well. Yeah,

13:31

I spent most of that money on Prime though, which

13:33

like

13:38

No, it's a really really good outcome and

13:40

it was like an exciting it's such an interesting

13:43

time It's such an exciting time But when I look

13:45

back at that, it's like one of a couple decisions

13:47

like Deciding it'd be a good idea to have

13:49

a kid at age 16 Moving

13:51

to New York City at age 19 with a 10th

13:53

grade education in $800 Deciding

13:56

to start a technology company

13:58

having never written a

15:59

Neither can I want to be your first investor. You can put

16:02

me down for a hundred thousand dollars

16:04

No conditions

16:05

and like the minute that human being who

16:07

believed in me said that I was like

16:10

I will die But I will not fail

16:12

like I will not and that was like

16:14

in the idea that I can like have Some

16:17

part of that for people that I believe in

16:19

is a big part of the reason why I do it. Mmm You

16:22

know scary though. It's so scary. I haven't

16:24

written a check in a while My kids are like schools expensive

16:27

New York's is that why you're making videos here

16:29

and there for that rep to pay for school and Invest

16:32

in technology cameras. No,

16:34

I make videos because Most

16:36

one of the latest ever to do it Bro,

16:39

come on. Come on. Let's not dude. You're you

16:41

when you think of YouTube og who you think of

16:45

Logan

16:45

yeah you Casey you're on the mountain. Oh, yeah. Well to get

16:47

there I'm gonna use sorry

16:50

No, like I I I still

16:53

do get like great brand opportunities that I say

16:55

yes to and I say yes to them because

16:57

I

16:58

Think it's flattering

17:00

Like I'd love to get to a place although

17:02

I don't have anything that I have the passion about that you

17:04

have for prime and I say that like

17:06

the passion that Jimmy has For feastables like I

17:09

had it for my tech company where it's like no

17:11

what matters to me now is promoting this thing That's mine.

17:14

I don't really have that right now and

17:16

that kind of feels good. Have you tried blue true? No

17:21

Are you pitching something to me right now? It's just something I'm passionate

17:23

about but it's fine So so how often

17:26

are you making videos? I don't

17:28

know. I don't know Casey I'm

17:30

sorry. Just nervous How

17:36

often are you making videos is

17:38

often it's like it's it's I'm at a I'm

17:41

at a super weird place right now We're like

17:44

I think if I could do anything I wanted all

17:46

I would do is hang around in my studio and like build

17:49

new shelves like screw shelves

17:51

into the wall Yeah, nothing makes me happier

17:54

than that like dude doodling Would you call that or

17:56

like or like a physical power tools

17:58

cutting three-quarter inch plywood?

17:59

AC fur

18:01

against the grain which like a category that you would

18:03

put all the carpentry manual labor

18:05

Okay, Mike. I moved back to New York City

18:08

September of last I was Why

18:10

did you do all we talked about it? The

18:13

big leap to LA and I was we

18:15

were all everyone was so curious We're like, how is New

18:17

York City Casey Neistat gonna survive in LA?

18:19

He didn't he died I fucking

18:22

hate LA and I say that was an asterisk, which

18:24

is that

18:25

People who love LA my brother van loves

18:28

LA my little brother Dean. Love you love LA. I

18:30

Totally understand why people love

18:32

all

18:33

I love New York City when people hate New York City.

18:35

I get it

18:36

like dude It smells like garbage. It's noisy.

18:39

It's weird. It's scary. It's concrete. It

18:41

smells like garbage. It always smells like Or

18:45

piss like yeah, I watched the guy take a shit

18:48

on my skateboard right up here. It's like, yeah, it's New York

18:50

I love it. We have that in LA But

18:53

I did not work for me at all

18:56

Talk about any of the reasons I remember that

18:59

all the reason there was some stuff that you were I mean

19:01

the things that I like to talk about because it makes

19:03

sense that people are like

19:05

The crime thing is very different. LA

19:07

than it is in New York. It's very different.

19:09

Yeah, New York is fucked up There's crime

19:11

here. It's insane, but there's this weird

19:14

kind of camaraderie, which is like me and the eight million

19:16

people that live here We're all against crime

19:18

and then you have like a zillion tops Which like

19:20

New York cops are like fucking hardcore.

19:23

Don't give a shit kind of do like we're all in this together It's

19:25

fight crime

19:26

and in LA I felt like it was that

19:28

equation

19:28

was very different

19:30

I felt like I was kind of on my own like

19:32

like when a homeless guy on my run tried to stab

19:34

me and the cops Were like there's not much we can

19:36

do. Sorry. Yeah, I'm like, what

19:39

do I do now? I've got short shorts

19:41

on and no shirt and he had a knife and

19:43

like

19:44

a place to sleep What

19:47

does this mean for me? I

19:50

was driving my car at 2 a.m My range

19:52

over one of the

19:53

two things that I bought since I made

19:55

a couple of it was it I love it I'll

19:57

tell you why Casey I loved it in the past

19:59

I saw that. Yeah,

20:02

I was driving at 2 a.m. and someone drove

20:05

through the front end of my vehicle going

20:07

at a high rate of speed and The front

20:09

end of my car was gone. So where there was usually

20:11

a hood There was just front wheels than anything past

20:13

that was just a sandwich So I'm

20:15

driving this car and I pull over on the side of

20:17

the road and I get out to go responsibly

20:20

get the culprits license

20:22

plate info and their insurance info the

20:24

side of their car is completely demolished and of

20:26

course they speed off So

20:29

I so I I call LAPD. Hey,

20:31

what's up real simple situation? I just got you

20:34

know, absolutely smashed into them on the side of the road Not

20:36

sure about injuries my cars fucked

20:38

up hit and run Witnesses here ready

20:40

to give their side of the story We

20:45

don't really go out to those type

20:47

of things they didn't even show up no Do

20:51

you hear what I just said? I hate and

20:53

run maniac just plowed through my

20:55

hundred and forty thousand dollar car I'm a mollered

20:58

tomorrow and there's witnesses here scared

21:01

on the side of the road Okay, so we're gonna

21:03

what we're gonna do is we're gonna give you a link to a website

21:05

Okay, I'm gonna file this did

21:08

kind of like digital police report and

21:10

at some point We're pretty sure someone

21:12

will get to it like dude cops were driving

21:14

by and like waving

21:16

like I'm not kidding about Like

21:18

that's what that's the stuff about

21:20

LA that like that didn't make sense to me And

21:22

this is a caveat to that like

21:24

in New York City This is like

21:26

a month after I moved back like the superintendent

21:28

at the building next to my my office I

21:31

go out there and there's like this dude beating the shit out of them New

21:35

York so I go over and I jump in right

21:37

to beat the shit out of them No,

21:43

I get the guy off him and the guy I'm like, you

21:45

know, I'm swearing at the guy

21:47

It's like things got a little violent

21:49

and they hit the guy who like has his face half

21:51

covered and he's like You know scream back and he's like, yo,

21:53

you're Casey The

21:58

guy takes off in the super I was like, dude

21:59

What was that about? He's like he's graffiti up my windows

22:02

I told him to stop and he jumped me

22:04

and then like

22:05

and then like one second later NYPD

22:07

like Reaches like J slides on

22:09

and they're like what's going on? We're like he went that way They

22:12

jump in the car. They chase the guy they don't catch the guy.

22:15

They take down the information three weeks later The

22:17

NYPD shows back up. They're like is this him

22:20

really good. I'm like we got

22:22

him. Whoa

22:23

NYPD is fucked up. You know what I mean? Like

22:25

the criminal justice reform is needed

22:27

here just like it is everywhere and I'm not cops

22:30

got problems here, too But there is this vibe

22:32

that that you've got support when you need it LA

22:35

is not I have I have another story that

22:37

I haven't been cleared to talk about publicly But

22:39

I'll tell you about it offline But very

22:41

similar situation far worse situation

22:44

where I also wasn't able to get help and it's it's

22:47

it's shitty But it's also like for

22:49

both cities and even more so like just from

22:51

a macro standpoint kind of Emblematic

22:54

of how many issues we have

22:57

at home right now in the United

22:59

States And also like New York has

23:01

like, you know, Rikers is fuck

23:04

like the criminal She's all the prison

23:06

industrial complex here is fucked So it's like

23:08

it's hard to rah-rah saying everything's

23:10

great with with law enforcement here because

23:12

it's got deep-rooted issues But you

23:15

asked me why I didn't like LA and I said this is like

23:16

the stuff

23:17

I like to point to because people get excited you

23:19

have to have this come but this is not the reason

23:21

why it didn't work Out for us. I think the reason why

23:23

it didn't work out for us is like

23:25

my wife and I are just addicted

23:28

to the energy that is like Living

23:31

in a city like this and it's not for everybody.

23:33

I get it. It's not for most people but

23:35

you know, it's like my

23:37

kids I have two little girls and Our

23:40

home their favorite grocery store their favorite

23:42

restaurant their school their ballet school

23:45

their swim class their gymnastics class All

23:48

their best friends all of these things

23:50

are within a five-year-old on a scooter

23:53

ride from our front door That's you know

23:55

what that's like their dad's office

23:57

their mom's office like for a kid

25:59

That's what they want. They want to hide behind those gates. They

26:02

want that privacy and that security. Listen,

26:04

New York City is the greatest city

26:07

on the planet. It is a special,

26:10

special, special fucking place

26:13

that is rich not only in people, but

26:15

in culture, in history. It

26:18

is the dopest place. I would

26:20

be happy as fuck to move back to

26:22

the East Coast. I will do

26:24

it eventually because the only

26:26

thing that keeps me in Los Angeles is the climate. Although

26:31

it sometimes is Groundhog Day. It makes

26:33

you soft, man. Dude, it is

26:35

Groundhog Day. I wake up every, imagine

26:37

you wake up, you know this. You wake up every

26:39

single day of the year,

26:41

January, August, September. And

26:43

it is the exact same

26:46

day, every

26:47

single day of the year. The sun's in the

26:49

same spot. You left it the day before and you looked out at noon. The

26:51

sky looks the exact same blue color. The

26:53

palm trees got the same green as the day before. The

26:56

same bird flies by. You wake

26:58

up and you do the same. It's so

27:00

hard to create any kind of evolution

27:02

in that state because it's not changing

27:05

like the weather. Nothing changes. I run across

27:07

the Brooklyn Bridge seven days a week. Like five

27:09

in the morning. Every day I run across the Brooklyn Bridge. I start my

27:11

run.

27:12

I love it. And the game that I play

27:14

is, the Brooklyn Bridge is one of the biggest tourist

27:16

attractions in New York City. It's the most visited tourist

27:18

attraction in New York City. Among the most

27:20

visited. My goal is

27:22

to make it from one end of the bridge to the other without

27:25

seeing another human being.

27:27

That's the game I play. This

27:29

morning I probably saw 800 or 900 other human beings. Oh

27:32

my God. But last year, two times,

27:35

I made it across that scene of another human being. One

27:37

of those days was during the bomb cyclone. Oh

27:40

yeah. When it was 30 below out. And

27:42

you couldn't go outside looking frostbite on your skin.

27:44

And at five in the morning, when it was 30 below

27:47

out, and I ran across that bridge, I was the only person

27:49

out. The other time was in January

27:51

when we had a crazy, crazy sweet

27:53

storm. It was like 25 degrees. So everything,

27:56

all the rain hit the ground, freeze immediately. The

27:58

city was covered in ice.

27:59

until freezing rain, that bridge

28:02

was mine.

28:03

You know what that reminds me of? LA makes you soft, but like

28:05

New York. Art and view, yeah,

28:07

for sure. Yeah, you're definitely like, remember

28:09

that couple on the news?

28:11

And the news reporter's like,

28:13

what do you like about jogging in the snow?

28:15

That's one of the best clips ever. It's

28:17

just so crunchy, the weather's just. It's perfect on your

28:20

feet. Perfect running weather. Boom. That's

28:22

the best. That was one of the best clips ever.

28:24

It happens a lot. The bridge is wood, so it freezes

28:27

at 40 degrees. There's just. There's

28:30

just so much stuff to do here. Not that,

28:33

let's make sure it doesn't turn into a New York City appreciation

28:35

episode, although that would be fun. I mean, dude,

28:37

I went to the jazz club in an underground

28:39

basement like two nights ago with a girl. Like

28:42

imagine taking a girl, you know, imagine

28:44

taking a girl to a gym,

28:45

a jazz session, dude, and just sitting

28:47

there and it looks the same way it

28:49

did in the 1950s, like it's just, it's such

28:51

a special bridge. I like the

28:54

women here.

28:54

Like I met my wife here. The

28:57

girls here, like they don't wear makeup. They don't

28:59

give a shit about you. They're fucking busy.

29:01

They didn't move to New York City to meet a guy. They

29:03

moved here because they're on a mission. Well,

29:06

mission was your wife on,

29:07

from South Africa, right? The same mission that like every

29:09

person who's here,

29:10

like you come here with a dream, with an idea,

29:12

with something you want to reach out for and go for.

29:15

Like the thing about New York, nobody ends up

29:17

here. It's not like, well, it wasn't

29:17

sure what to do, so I decided to move to New York and spend $4,000

29:21

on a 250 square foot apartment and

29:23

suffer every day. You can move to

29:26

LA and wait tables four days a week and have a comfortable

29:28

apartment with a roommate.

29:30

You can't,

29:31

it's survival

29:32

here. Nobody comes here, it's easy.

29:34

Like you have to fight to be here. And that like

29:37

social Darwinism wipes out

29:40

99% of the population and you're left with this psychotic 1%

29:42

of doers that

29:45

just, they have a purpose. And

29:47

don't mind the stench of piss. They don't mind piss.

29:51

And that's what I look for in a woman. A woman who can

29:53

tolerate the stench of piss on a

29:55

hot summer day. Well that's how you know they're trained to take off a

29:57

child's diapers. Now we're talking, Mike. You

30:00

happy you're back? Yeah, I'm never leaving. No

30:02

way. You're gonna die in this city. I'm never leaving.

30:04

Oh, I'm gonna die in this city. The

30:06

only caveat I would say is like, and this is a big caveat,

30:09

I'm gonna say something in the comments, you're gonna say, like,

30:12

I moved here, I had no money, like I

30:14

lived in an SRO, which is like a room, no

30:17

kitchen, no bathroom. It was a halfway house.

30:19

I bribed the guy at the front, like this Hispanic

30:22

guy behind a bulletproof glass.

30:24

He was like, no occupancy, no occupancy. And I came back

30:26

with a carton of camel cigarettes

30:28

and I saw it's what he was smoking at the time. This is

30:30

in 2001. And tucked in it was a hundred

30:32

dollar bill. And I was like, any occupancy,

30:34

and he looks at me and he's like, come back tomorrow, come back tomorrow. And

30:37

I see him take out a clipboard and just erase someone's

30:39

name. And then put your name there.

30:42

And he was like, first of every month, 450 bucks.

30:45

And I lived in a room with no bathroom and no

30:47

kitchen. Wow. It was a halfway house.

30:49

It was filled up with undocumented immigrants and then people

30:51

had just gotten out of jail.

30:53

And it was scary. Okay, so you're wild, you're

30:55

wild. But like, that's how I started. But I have money

30:57

now. And living in this city

31:00

with money is very different from

31:04

living here without money. Obviously, it makes it very

31:06

easy to like it. I live in a safe

31:08

neighborhood. I do have a comfortable apartment.

31:11

You're like, what about your kids in a yard? Like, we

31:13

spend a third of our year in Massachusetts.

31:16

Like, I have a Massachusetts driver's license.

31:18

Oh, what? Yeah. You have a house

31:20

there? Yeah.

31:21

And like, that's it. Before that, we had

31:23

a little house in Connecticut and a parents lived. And like,

31:25

you know, we don't go all, we go there in the summertime, we don't

31:27

go all the time, but just having that optionality.

31:30

What if you die in Massachusetts? It's gonna be disappointing.

31:33

My wife has instructions about where to haul my dead

31:35

carcass. You know,

31:37

back to New York. And then just don't tell

31:39

Logan that I died in Massachusetts.

31:42

You know what I mean? The romance of that just

31:44

doesn't hit the same. Affair.

31:46

Boston?

31:48

No, no, no, like on the coast.

31:51

Didn't wanna go back to Connecticut.

31:53

So I was in Connecticut forever. And

31:55

then like, I realized the reason why, I

31:57

was like my hometown. I bought a house there the first time.

31:59

time I could afford it. $260,000. I sold it like eight years later for $230,000.

32:06

That's indicative of southeastern Connecticut. But I moved

32:08

there because I wanted to be with my grandmother who was like my

32:11

hero in life.

32:12

And then she died and it was like I'm

32:14

going back and forth. My son who was in school there

32:17

went to college and it was like what am I doing here?

32:19

I felt like my connection there had faded. It got weird.

32:22

So

32:22

yeah I sold the house. It got weird because

32:24

like

32:25

once I started to have like YouTube fame,

32:28

having this little house in this little town, people just started showing

32:30

it. It got weird. But mostly

32:32

it was my connection died

32:34

and then we

32:35

didn't have a place to go and then as the kids

32:37

grew up, Candace and I were just like if we move back

32:39

to the city it'd be nice to have a place to go to and that's we got

32:41

a place in Massachusetts. What's on your hand? What's on your hand

32:43

bro?

32:44

This one? Is that a phone number? No it's

32:46

the address to where we're sitting right now. Oh my

32:48

god. When you're going 30 miles an

32:50

hour on a skateboard up up 6th Avenue during

32:52

rush hour,

32:54

you don't want to have to pull out the phone. I'm not, look I'm not surprised

32:56

you're still riding the skateboard but you're definitely still

32:58

riding the skateboard.

33:00

I want you to know I ride it like an old man

33:02

though. I

33:03

mean I should wear a helmet and there's nothing

33:05

cool about wearing it without a helmet. Funny

33:08

side story, there's a Lulu Lemon campaign

33:11

that I'm in right now.

33:12

It's me, Wayne

33:14

Gretzky and DK Metcalf.

33:15

How I got that

33:17

book and I'll never know but thank

33:19

you Lulu Lemon, it's an honor. And

33:22

to film it they just

33:24

wanted me going by the camera on my skateboard

33:26

and I show up and they have a helmet for me. I'm like, guys.

33:29

I'm like me on my skateboard is Casey

33:32

on his skateboard. I was like, me with a helmet, I was just some 40 year

33:34

old loser. I was like, I can't wear the helmet.

33:37

So they papered up this contract that basically

33:39

like, I personally indemnified like the...

33:42

Oh yeah. Yeah yeah yeah that makes sense. And

33:44

like we went slow.

33:45

It was, I wasn't gonna fall but that's

33:47

he, I've been, that was like the one time

33:49

I was truly terrified. Do your kids wear helmets

33:51

when they scoot to the front of us? Yeah. So then when they

33:53

say, Daddy, you don't wear a helmet, what do you say?

33:55

Daddy's a moron. Do as I do, not as I

33:57

say. I do have a helmet.

33:59

But you know what? No,

34:01

I like it like an asshole, but I ride

34:03

slow now Like I look back at those YouTube videos or

34:06

like flying through traffic and now I'm like Do

34:11

you know what's tough about sin when him is like where do

34:13

we go right? Where do we go first? You just brought up YouTube.

34:15

What do you think about the state of YouTube as a

34:18

platform right now?

34:20

I think it's a I think it's There's

34:22

a really positive take on it

34:24

and there's a really negative take on it And I think both things

34:26

can be true at the same time the really positive

34:29

take is I think and this is the negative

34:31

Take go new YouTube has no shape right

34:33

now If you remember back when you were

34:36

doing your thing when I was doing my thing years ago

34:39

YouTube even had it's like creators They put

34:41

up on billboard and they have like this

34:43

is what YouTube is about these kinds of creators

34:45

represent us as a platform And this is who kids

34:47

aspire to be like

34:49

and I think YouTube Necessarily

34:51

gave that up like you guys are causing too much

34:53

fucking trouble

34:54

We can't align ourselves with them. We have

34:56

to be like Google. We don't pick favorites This is

34:58

just a place where peace people post videos

35:01

It was a little bit of a bummer

35:03

like the support for creators pulled back a little

35:05

bit But I think from a business perspective is necessary

35:08

So

35:09

because of that as a result of that YouTube is more fragmented

35:12

than it's ever been

35:13

like what is it? I have no idea So

35:15

I think that's kind of negative. I liked it when YouTube

35:17

represented something and it doesn't now it's fragmented

35:20

What's beautiful about that is I

35:22

see creators that

35:23

have a hundred thousand subscribers some less

35:26

with a dedicated audience

35:28

About really really esoteric

35:31

subject matter. Yep,

35:32

and I love that I made a video

35:34

with these guys out of the UK what they do their channels

35:36

big But they

35:37

have a channel where they only talk about retro

35:39

video gaming devices How

35:42

the fuck is there enough content? Yeah for

35:44

you to fill a channel about retro video

35:47

gaming to us

35:48

Their channels huge their audience is devoted.

35:49

They've written a coffee table

35:52

book Like and I love

35:54

that. I think

35:54

I think that's the coolest thing my server

35:57

at Lobo last night We had a server all night

35:59

and he was he was the

35:59

the nicest guy, his name was Sean. And

36:02

at the end of the night, we got into like a deep conversation

36:05

with him. And I was like, so what do you like to do

36:07

outside of the server? And he's like, well, oddly enough like you,

36:09

he's like, I'm a YouTuber. And you know,

36:11

more and more people say that nowadays. You know, what's

36:13

your content? He goes, I'm actually

36:16

the best pinball

36:18

player in the world. The

36:21

best pinball player in the world. He's like, like, I

36:23

win every competition. You get a selfie with him

36:25

or? I want it, I want it. I

36:27

know his name, I messaged John Schwartz. And

36:30

said, yo, I'm really big fan of Sean. And I was

36:32

asking him, you know, what's your favorite? He said, there

36:35

has been and never will be a pinball game

36:38

as popular as the Addams family. That's

36:40

a great pinball game. That's what he said. He said,

36:42

it's the biggest thing that he said. Second was Twilight

36:44

Zone, which I like. Also a great pinball.

36:47

I can furtherize in picture that

36:49

game. I can picture the layout. But

36:52

it's funny because we

36:54

very much here on this show and, and,

36:57

you know, at

36:58

this time in this type of creation space,

37:01

commit ourselves to trying to create content that is applicable

37:03

to the masses. We want it. It's

37:06

a mistake.

37:09

Artistically, creatively,

37:12

it is a mistake.

37:13

As a business,

37:15

it is a, it is a story of success. And

37:18

I, the only, I came from, obviously,

37:20

from a very different world. I was smoking

37:23

crack, not watching Casey Neistat, right? When I

37:25

came in. So the only model I had for

37:27

success was my best friend. I just looked at what

37:29

he did and I said, okay, this is how you do. But

37:32

now when I look around the landscape, especially,

37:34

you know, on YouTube, and I see these niche

37:36

channels where by the way, they're able to drive

37:39

a tremendous amount of sales volume

37:42

off a hundred or 200,000 subscribers. Cause the

37:44

people are so passionately involved

37:47

with everything they put out. And I will say I am

37:49

extremely envious of that. Like if I can put out a Twilight

37:51

Zone only, a Twilight Zone only podcast

37:54

and every episode we just, see,

37:56

that's why you

37:57

see what he does. You know, my favorite.

37:59

He would.

37:59

He

38:03

doesn't like it. He made me think that type of stuff was uncool.

38:06

My favorite YouTuber

38:09

is this guy who's probably 50 years old. He's

38:12

British.

38:13

And he takes these really narrow

38:15

subject matter

38:17

from World War II. And

38:19

makes an 8-10 minute mini-doc about

38:21

it. Where he just uses sourced footage. Like

38:24

free, unlicensed footage. Like different battles? He goes

38:27

way more specific. He'll talk about the kind

38:29

of bullet used in a kind of gun at that

38:31

battle. Hundreds of videos.

38:34

They're evergreen. He's the only

38:36

thing I watch. He opens up my feed and it's just

38:38

his content. It's

38:39

like something Felton, Mark Felton production.

38:42

And he has this terrible intro and he's

38:44

like Mark Felton production. That

38:47

shit's fascinating. It's way better than what's on the History Channel.

38:50

How many views do those videos get? Okay, some have 100,000. Some

38:52

have like 15 million.

38:55

Because like if you need to know about what Hitler's

38:57

bunker was like the last week before he died.

39:00

This one video is the best video

39:02

at that. Also the thing, even

39:04

with these niche channels like the retro gaming console

39:06

channels. I'm sure they have every

39:09

one in 10 that goes fucking nuts. Because

39:12

the subject matter is interesting.

39:15

And some of them are kind of universal. I'm curious

39:17

about Hitler and his bunker. That's wild.

39:20

And then it's over and you're like oh I want

39:22

to know about that place. Oh no, that

39:24

was his house in Austria. The bunker

39:26

was in Berlin. I'm

39:29

a big World War II guy. Massive.

39:32

Operation Market Garden. gigantic

39:35

biggest failure of the war. In

39:38

British. Montgomery led that. He

39:40

wants to leave right now. No,

39:43

no, no. I can talk about Winston

39:45

Churchill. He just throws one

39:47

thing.

39:49

Churchill looks great.

39:52

When people come up to you and they say Casey.

39:55

I'm thinking about being a YouTuber.

39:58

What advice could you give me? A young up-and-coming

40:01

creator if I wanted to do what you've done

40:03

for so many years Casey. What advice do

40:05

you give me? I

40:07

Hate it. My response is always

40:09

why? No, like

40:12

if you ask me that question and like let me

40:15

like that's a big question You're asking me to do work

40:17

right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah why and

40:19

if their answer is anything other than like There's

40:22

nothing I love more than videos or like

40:25

I grew up here and nobody knows about X You

40:27

know, like there's some genuine passion whether

40:29

it's artistic or or sharing a perspective Anything

40:33

other than that if it's like

40:34

if the word mr.

40:35

Beast is anywhere in there My

40:38

responses don't yeah or prime or any

40:40

of their yeah Yeah, because like that's like can't

40:42

be the mission I get I got asked this the

40:44

other day in the airport I get I get asked this question

40:47

Sometimes and it is difficult because like

40:50

I too Want to stress how

40:52

difficult it can be if you don't love it. It's

40:54

good came up to me You know, what advice can you give me? I said

40:57

he's like I want to make videos.

40:59

I'm an up-and-coming guy said, okay How many videos have you made was

41:01

well, no, yeah, I'm thinking about starting. I

41:04

said, alright kid You're

41:06

what? 19 20 give yourself 10 years give

41:08

yourself 10 years at this

41:10

craft making videos Posting

41:13

them online getting made fun of for at least

41:15

five of those years

41:16

and then maybe at the end of 10 Maybe

41:19

you'll

41:19

have a little bit of success

41:22

Consistency for me is that my general

41:24

advice for these people but you are

41:26

right It needs to come from a place of like

41:28

kind of this is what I love It's just

41:30

how I'm why she says the other thing I say because

41:32

it's a little bit of a fuck you answer

41:34

Nobody wants to hear that. No, no, what's the one

41:36

piece horrible? What's the one horrible advice? I

41:39

like I don't have time. I don't want

41:41

to stop my escape. We're sort of roll past you and give

41:43

it It's always like patience

41:46

Do you have ten years to commit to this and they look at

41:48

you like you've three head? Like you know, I

41:50

thought mr. Beast said 24 hours.

41:58

Yeah, I like Jimmy favorite

42:00

example he's like no

42:01

one's done what he's done and

42:03

you look at his first video and say what resources

42:06

did he have a shitty webcam

42:08

and he sat there and watched

42:11

it's every day bro for 12 straight

42:13

out he deserves

42:15

whatever success yeah he wants

42:18

in life way more way more than 12 hours

42:21

of it's every day my my

42:25

advice

42:29

my advice to them is always to to

42:32

just be friend of popular youtuber and just like

42:35

become yeah and it's like you pick one

42:37

yeah exactly you're telling me to the sort of podcast you

42:39

know I mean get the chair right next to him so

42:41

what are you guys doing in New York you guys running them marathon

42:44

on Sunday or you are so crazy

42:47

you brought that up we were going there

42:49

I think people care about your takes

42:51

on YouTube as a platform I was gonna ask you about

42:54

streaming and about X as well but you want to

42:56

marathon now are you gonna beat Jeff

42:58

Whittick I'll be Jeff

43:01

I think so but that's not

43:03

that's not my competition

43:06

my competition the beauty

43:07

of running

43:09

whether you're like a you know like a fat

43:11

girl who's just like this is her life's mission

43:14

or you're like a skinny kid like whatever it is you're

43:18

always competing with yourself

43:19

because like you know like

43:21

a guy did broke

43:22

the world record he ran Chicago in like two hours

43:24

and 40 in all words up two hours

43:27

right there I can't run I'm

43:29

a faster I can't run one mile

43:31

at the pace he ran 26.2 miles at

43:34

I will never compete with

43:36

him

43:37

so what am I doing it for like you are

43:40

only competing with yourself and that's true

43:42

in this race and like this

43:44

marathon more than any other marathon or

43:46

any race I've done for Iron Man they used to race

43:49

on a protein for triathlon I've done 24 marathons

43:52

I've done seven in New York

43:54

six this will be my seventh this is the

43:56

first race I can remember that I'm like genuinely

43:59

nervous about

44:00

How come?

44:03

Okay, so my right leg made out of metal It's all titanium

44:05

from a motorcycle accident and I was 26 and

44:07

that happened the doctor said you'll never run again

44:10

And that I've run 20 24 marathons

44:12

since that happened

44:14

and like done all those races since that happened But

44:16

in the hospital I set myself a goal like an impossible

44:19

goal, which was to break three hours in a marathon

44:22

That means you're running

44:24

26.2 miles at a six minute

44:26

and 50 seconds. Oh my god. Pase

44:29

and like a lot of people have done it like if you're a fast

44:31

runner, you're like, yeah Yeah, I'm a 240 runner but

44:34

for like the average runner that is for

44:36

me That's like, you know, it's like dunking on a 10-foot

44:38

hoop like it's it's the insane thing You

44:40

know the mile-per-hour pace that would be yes

44:43

six. Yes 650 six minutes and 50 seconds

44:45

How fast is that though in miles per hour?

44:48

Oh in miles per hour? Shit. I don't know what is that nine mile an hour? It's

44:50

fucking fast. Well, I think in high school

44:52

where you had to run an eight minute mile or whatever Like

44:55

to break seven minutes like that's insane. It's

44:57

insane and

44:59

I've run a 301

45:03

I've run I think six races

45:05

six

45:05

marathons where I've broken 305. I've run 12. We're I've broken 310

45:08

and I

45:12

don't know. I don't think I have a

45:14

sub 3 in me this year And

45:17

when people like dude, you have to stop saying

45:19

that you have to visualize it's like

45:20

no motherfucker Like

45:22

this is not mind over matter like

45:24

I've done this this isn't my first rodeo Like

45:27

to say there was someone a marathon is mind over

45:29

matter It's like your Range Rover runs out

45:31

of gas ten miles from your house It's like now I'm like

45:34

like if you can visualize it Like

45:36

no, dude, there's no fucking gas Cuz

45:40

what he's doing right now is called, New York We

45:43

don't like this whole area

45:45

doesn't do this shit There's not like bro That was

45:47

one of the hardest things I had to deal with when I got

45:49

to LA was over like

45:51

no like Not

45:56

how it works because

45:59

there's something

45:59

Cruel

46:01

about twenty six point two miles the first marathon

46:03

ever like the history of the marathon It was like the Romans

46:05

did it and somebody ran 26 miles and then

46:08

died. Oh, you died. There's it Yeah, yeah,

46:10

there's a few thousand years ago, but yes There's

46:12

something cruel about and I've done it enough

46:14

to know either your car

46:17

is capable of that speed or it's not

46:20

And this is the reason why I'm nervous. This is the hardest.

46:22

I remember ever training in my life I

46:24

mean, this is as close as I think I've ever

46:26

been But I still

46:28

don't think like if I'm able to do

46:31

it I'll do it by one second,

46:32

but I think a good race will be 310 meaning

46:35

that like the margins are not in my favor

46:38

and They would be in my face

46:40

like my longest run practice run is like

46:42

every week I do 22 miles and

46:45

I do 22 miles at like right around a seven minute

46:47

wait every day every Monday

46:50

Once you do 22 miles every Monday. Yeah,

46:52

I do 70 miles a week, but every Monday I do 22 But

46:58

it's 22 miles and I do like a 715 pace

47:01

seven minutes 15 seconds in 25 seconds

47:03

slower than I need to be for the marathon the whole

47:06

time for the whole 26 Well, if I

47:07

was doing those 22 miles at a 630 pace,

47:11

I would sit here and say I'm very confident

47:13

You understand

47:14

if I said my car has

47:16

a 50 gallon tank in it.

47:18

I would be very confident It's gonna make

47:20

it all the way across the desert But

47:22

my car doesn't have that tank it has

47:24

a smaller tank Whatever a seven minute

47:26

and 15 seconds it meaning that like I

47:29

understand how the math works and what a body's

47:31

capable I want to push back. Yeah, let's hear

47:33

one thing you said

47:35

With running you're competing against yourself. Yes,

47:37

sir

47:38

Is there any strategy and potentially

47:41

getting someone who can run that pace or trying

47:43

to keep up with?

47:45

Them and push yourself as if

47:47

it is a competition. Okay, so here are the

47:49

hedges that I'm making this year

47:52

No Distractions if I

47:54

don't do my goal like I'll be happy my

47:56

fastest in New York is 303 And

47:58

if I can break that that would be a dream

47:59

I mean I'm PRing personal

48:02

record in New York City. That's the dream 303 anything

48:04

other 310

48:05

or 315 is a win

48:07

Three hours is like, you know, that's the impossible.

48:10

That's the reach beyond my grasp

48:12

kind of thing

48:12

but here's what I'm doing to cut the You

48:15

know like to cut the margins down. So like

48:18

I'm not saying hi or smiling

48:20

at anyone that says my name this year

48:23

Because think about it. If you go like this

48:25

Five hundred times in three hours.

48:27

How many calories have you burned you do that?

48:30

Yeah, like every year. Everybody's

48:31

like, okay, see I'm like Head

48:37

down head down

48:39

another thing listen my buddy told me this he's like carry

48:41

a water bottle like

48:42

that's stupid He's like no think about how much

48:44

time you waste Going to the like the

48:46

table picking up a little paper. No, hell

48:48

no. Hell no that one I'm pushing

48:50

back on cuz you make it you use

48:52

it by carrying the fucking water bottle

48:55

Mike you're out there with 60,000 runners

48:59

You're imagine the imagine

49:01

the garden emptying out twice

49:03

in a row that amount of people and there's a fucking

49:05

table here and a table Here often

49:07

you take sips of water. You should every mile.

49:10

Okay, I think it no

49:11

Because I'm not willing to deal with the mosh pit

49:14

and then mile 18 comes

49:15

along. I'm dehydrated and I crash

49:17

brother You need to have someone at each mile who

49:20

got a bottle who can just hand it to you. It's not really

49:22

allowed You

49:25

but you're allowed to run with a water bottle. Yeah, I

49:27

feel like running with a water bottle will slow you

49:29

down Okay,

49:34

the other thing and this is like the biggest

49:36

hedge like this is as close to cheating as you

49:39

could cheat

49:40

I have an Olympic Marathon

49:42

coach a guy who has the circle

49:44

tattoo because he was in the Olympics

49:47

He's also a coach for the New York Road runners

49:49

in the group that puts on this race He's

49:52

like a lead coach the number one race

49:54

he coaches for is the New York City Marathon

49:57

He's running next to me. I thought yeah

49:59

And he's like, if there's a wind,

50:02

I'm gonna step in

50:04

front of you and block the wind. He's

50:08

like, you don't look around, you look

50:10

at my feet. He's like, you listen to my

50:12

feet and you fall asleep. You do

50:14

exactly what I do. And I'll get you across that

50:16

finish line, like you gotta go. Can

50:19

you draft? Yeah, you can draft from there,

50:21

though, you can draft. But is there an actual

50:24

physical sensation of drafting? Is there anything

50:27

cycling? Oh, so I mean, 26.2 miles draft

50:29

might help. It's a big

50:31

deal, but there's also

50:32

like, you only need it if there's a headwind. And

50:34

then there's like, there's, you know, there's,

50:37

you gotta be polite about it.

50:40

If you're running 25 miles and you give

50:42

somebody a flat tire at mile 24, you know what

50:44

I mean? You can wreck someone's day. So

50:46

you gotta keep enough distance so there's no way you're gonna touch

50:49

them or bother them. So it's like, there's etiquette,

50:51

you know, there's etiquette to running and drafting.

50:54

Would you be completely

50:57

against the idea of, okay.

50:59

So you know your vehicle,

51:02

which is Casey Neistat, the external body

51:04

that you've been given by God. It's

51:06

like a 1996 Toyota Land Crew. Okay.

51:08

Okay.

51:10

With like fat tires, 35 inch tire. What

51:13

if I told you through physiological advancements

51:16

in science, you could,

51:18

for a short period of time, trade that car in

51:20

for a newer body. My right leg is made

51:23

out of metal. I am fully upgraded.

51:25

I think I might help you. Understood. The metal,

51:27

it's lighter than bones. It's gotta be right. I have

51:29

a femoral titanium as well.

51:31

Me too. Yeah. My brother. From a

51:33

D accident. Yeah, motor sensor. I got

51:35

the hip too. It's just a needle right in your

51:38

ass. Once a morning for like a little

51:40

period of time that makes you feel kind

51:43

of like Superman. But

51:45

like I looked it up, I tried to do

51:47

what Lance did and it's like, you gotta

51:50

like take out blood and then put it back in.

51:52

Not true at all. What did he do? I

51:54

can't, can you see the blood though? Oh,

51:57

it's, oh, I don't even know what that means. Oh, maybe it is. Why

51:59

you don't get.

51:59

Can you just can you just

52:01

I will take any drugs on

52:03

the planet? Like I'll

52:06

blow a line all fucking snort

52:08

an eight ball at the starting line if

52:10

it'll get me across the finish line in 259 but that's

52:12

what I'm asking. The trouble is like none of that I

52:15

did Iron Man's like the greatest drug

52:17

in this by the way

52:19

It was considered a performance enhancing

52:21

drug until the mid 80s caffeine

52:24

Straight up. Oh, yeah So I have a whole caffeine

52:26

doping regiment where it's like a cup of

52:28

black coffee this many hours then this much

52:30

before and then Like the little running gels

52:33

which like the guy is running with me Roberto my coach.

52:35

He's like gel

52:37

gel So I have to carry like this little thing in like Normally,

52:40

what are they so it's a hundred calories

52:42

and then it's like anywhere from 30 to 100 whatever

52:45

milligrams of caffeine and then sugar

52:47

So it's just an energy blast cool,

52:49

and I normally only take two or three this year. I'm taking

52:51

eight

52:53

But it's another thing where you like yeah,

52:55

but it's a pain. Yes eating their growth. It's like

52:57

a lot but

52:58

When you're at mile 22, you're all out of you've

53:00

just burned 3000 calories like you're you

53:03

got no energy So by taking eight of these

53:05

the ideas I'll have a reserve normally

53:07

I don't do that These are all like the little things that I'm hoping

53:09

might give me an advantage to get close to that 303 PR of mine

53:13

I was talking about like a test Sip

53:15

in eight Like a what

53:17

testosterone sipp in eight what is that second

53:20

part of that seponate? It's a kind

53:22

of testosterone injection, but doesn't it just

53:24

make you know not if it's not if it's a

53:27

Microdose that you can I like that you've held

53:29

it for that long Not

53:31

if it's not if it's a microdose, which will simply

53:33

add

53:35

energy

53:36

Increasing libido mental clarity so on and

53:39

so forth but without any Garnered

53:41

mass is there a drug you can take

53:43

that decreases libido

53:46

Are you really out of the control like that? Oh

53:48

my god, my poor wife You

53:50

would think at my yeah, how's it? How's

53:52

that? Yeah?

53:54

Is it just how I mean it's

53:56

just I had my blood tested once. That's

53:59

great. I have the test testosterone and I quote of

54:01

a 19 year old athlete what do you know what the number

54:03

was no

54:05

it was like is

54:06

780 or 680 What

54:09

if somebody told you yo if you go to 900 you can push

54:11

past then I need to start taking drugs

54:14

But if the race is in three days, how quick does this

54:16

shit kick in? You

54:17

have a needle on you right now. You can stick that right

54:19

into my eyeball videographer David Who's your biggest

54:22

fan? There was a joke. It was a joke. I

54:24

didn't he could get you the needle there's

54:27

There's a rule and it says nothing

54:30

new on race day. Well,

54:31

yeah, of course So thank

54:33

you for offering to shoot me up with whatever this

54:36

is gonna be so dr. Mike whatever performance

54:38

and has the ideas you had I appreciate it About

54:43

like Jeff Jeff with it like this

54:45

is why he comparing yourself other people's just not

54:48

it's not applicable in the in something

54:50

like a marathon because like

54:52

He's never run twenty six point two more And

54:55

dude him getting across that finish line

54:58

is the victory of a life for sure like

55:00

Cody Cody cose running as well Cody's

55:03

a beast and I don't I think

55:05

Cody's he's gonna put out a serious time But

55:08

like his time is his time Cody cose

55:10

a runner. Oh, yeah, Cody cose that you didn't endurance

55:13

after Not

55:15

that he comes from a family of that Parents

55:18

are also crazy athlete. Whoa, but like

55:20

Cody he's gonna put out a hell of a time Whatever

55:22

his time is that to his time

55:24

and that's like he will come

55:26

in first place

55:28

Like Jeff will come in first place

55:30

And like what I'm worried about is coming in third place

55:33

because I really want to beat my time, you

55:35

know

55:35

And that's the thing. I think it's like the

55:37

romance. That's the beauty of running

55:39

So I have always telling my friends if you're interested get

55:41

into it because you can get really passionate

55:44

about this I'm I'm I'm a

55:46

decent runner.

55:47

I'm disgusted by how far you run.

55:49

I've always I've I see your

55:52

Tweets and posts on social media of how

55:54

far you ran today and the mile the

55:56

pace and I'm an athlete

55:58

and this shit's crazy to me

55:59

So why why do you run like what's what

56:02

do you find out of running this far for

56:04

this many days in a row? That excites

56:06

you

56:07

For I think 2023 this

56:11

year all these 3,000 miles of running

56:13

but it's

56:14

I like 250 250 a

56:16

month is what I average

56:17

For me, it's like first of all, I live with three

56:20

women

56:21

if you count our new puppy four

56:23

women in the house You're running from them

56:25

Now

56:27

you don't even have to say no more Like

56:31

you there's something valuable.

56:34

I'm also addicted to my cell phone like

56:36

a junkie. I have no self-control Social

56:39

media like I said the only time that I can

56:41

really get a reprieve from that is if I'm really in the throes

56:43

Of making something so this idea

56:46

that like I'm running and while

56:48

I'm running I'm just in my own head like if I want to think

56:50

of stuff I play music I don't

56:52

like learn stuff. I listen to a podcast or a book

56:55

on tape

56:56

And like when you

56:57

get to a place physically, we're like if

56:59

I'm doing a 730 pace I can run

57:01

almost forever I can run for two three hours and

57:03

without noticing it I

57:04

mean my body's completely shut off you're just in cruise control

57:07

like when you click the button in your Range Rover It does nothing

57:09

where it keeps the distance with a car. Yeah, it's

57:12

like you're just kind of like making sure you don't crash into anything

57:14

And I'm just listening to my book and

57:16

I'll just go forever. You're automated

57:19

and it is the most peaceful Zen

57:21

like meditation ever and you you

57:24

Physiologically become addicted to

57:27

the endorphins because like you don't

57:29

run you go run you're just me in pain I

57:31

don't have any pain when I run so my body's like pumping

57:33

out I don't know how the body

57:34

works, but this is how I imagine My

57:37

body's like pumping out all these drugs that are like happiness

57:40

happiness pleasure everywhere

57:41

So I just go and I'm just like completely

57:44

asleep.

57:45

I'll run from my house up the Central Park. I'll go to Harlem

57:49

Casey I agree viewers listening.

57:51

I don't know how normal that is. No, no

57:53

do you get it from cycling as well?

57:56

No,

57:57

but it doesn't it doesn't matter. I'm just saying

57:59

like

57:59

People dread exercise

58:02

and working out and like again. I am an

58:04

athlete I

58:05

Can't say I feel that ever when

58:07

I'm running when I'm running. I'm working

58:10

I'm working dude, and I like overcoming

58:12

the hurdle of the fact that when you party Yeah,

58:15

this is hard, and I'm fucking doing it. They don't

58:17

make them like me. I'm built different knob.

58:19

I'm running four miles There's

58:22

this thing my buddy hunter found

58:24

it was like this study of rats and like

58:27

What they do is like probably rats and like this wheel

58:29

and they'll judge how much they use the wheel and then they gave

58:31

all The rats a whole shitload of cocaine and

58:34

they'd see how much thoracic cocaine I'm fucking

58:36

butchering the story It's a real study,

58:38

but there was a subgroup

58:39

and it was like 3% of the rats would

58:43

Take the cocaine until they died

58:45

and if they removed the cocaine They

58:47

would go into the running wheel and they were running

58:49

the wheel until they physically died and

58:52

those rats had some molecule That was off in

58:54

their head that made them have

58:56

this wildly addictive propensity

58:59

towards addiction And

59:01

I'm very grateful like never

59:03

been really attracted to drugs Never

59:06

been a drinker my in my life like I

59:08

don't know the last time I had a drink was I'm not a

59:10

drinker

59:11

But like something like running it is

59:14

like like this week. I'm on a taper

59:16

So I'm not really running this way and it run this morning. I'm

59:18

miserable

59:19

the whole week. I'm like stressed out in anger

59:22

Yeah, you know I had I like two sandwiches

59:24

for lunch. That's gross I normally eat

59:26

so clean but like I didn't run this morning. It's like oh

59:28

that today's an L anyways It

59:31

sucks. I hate it. Do you know many addicts

59:34

run? Do you normally people that are

59:36

in recovery run? Really? Oh my god because

59:38

of what you described it's it's it hits us very

59:41

similar point when I got

59:43

clean in 2010 I took up cycling. I can't

59:45

run because my legs are equally fucked. My ankles

59:47

are really bad or you know arthritic and I

59:51

get the same Feeling that you

59:53

get from running when I hit a certain

59:55

point in my ride. Yeah, I

59:58

liken it to when my body because

1:00:01

the start of the ride may be a bit painful. I might get

1:00:03

a little sweaty, my ass might hurt. Then all of

1:00:05

a sudden you hit this almost autopilot where

1:00:07

you're, I always tell people

1:00:10

that the cranks are spinning and

1:00:12

my mind finally stops spinning. And

1:00:14

I just, and that's the only time

1:00:17

when up here I'm completely

1:00:19

at peace is when my body is working

1:00:21

so hard to spin those cranks. And that's what my body's

1:00:23

focused on. I can find some

1:00:26

refuge up here. And the reason why you don't get

1:00:29

there is because it starts at a certain

1:00:31

point. If you run, I don't know if you do feel

1:00:33

like that as soon as you start for the day or does it take you a second

1:00:35

to get into a groove? I remember when I first started

1:00:37

running as an adult, it would always be like,

1:00:40

as long as I can get to 20 minutes or 40 minutes, then

1:00:42

I'll get to like, Yeah. And now it's like,

1:00:45

no. Now it's like a medium.

1:00:47

You're like Deepak Chopra running basically.

1:00:49

Yeah. Like I can do like a 7.30 pace

1:00:52

and my part rate will be like 80

1:00:54

beats per minute.

1:00:55

Were you in Nantucket that year and Deepak Chopra

1:00:58

was

1:00:58

there meditating? Probably. What's

1:01:00

your resting heart rate?

1:01:03

Low 40s, high 30s.

1:01:06

Solid. Yeah. Solid.

1:01:09

How do you track it? Like my Garmin watch. Okay.

1:01:12

I mean, if I'm doing a serious thing, I'll put on a chest strap,

1:01:14

but I don't. Like I don't run for heart

1:01:16

rate or anything like that. And you have to be like, I do

1:01:19

if I feel. It's crazy,

1:01:21

man. It's gonna be interesting to see

1:01:23

you do it and then this podcast come out.

1:01:25

Cause I think this comes out after. So we'll see

1:01:27

if you're right about sub three. I think you could

1:01:29

do it.

1:01:30

Oh, that makes one of us. That makes one

1:01:32

of us. I think you could do it. Because because. 310 is

1:01:35

what I'm pegging. I'll be happy with 310. It's

1:01:37

all mine.

1:01:39

Says the man.

1:01:40

But I did,

1:01:43

not only did I watch your fight,

1:01:44

I paid the 50 bucks for your fight. I'm sorry.

1:01:48

You have no reason to apologize. I'll

1:01:50

give you 25 back. But I would appreciate it 25 back

1:01:52

because what the fuck. But it

1:01:54

was funny. I was just watching. It was my buddy Jordan. They

1:01:56

were like in my office. When I'm like texting my wife being

1:01:58

like buried with work. Be home.

1:01:59

I'm sitting quick like watching the fight. And

1:02:02

I was like, I was like, I just need 20 seconds and

1:02:04

we're gonna beat in this shit out of him so he can slow it down to

1:02:06

slow motion and blood the internet with it.

1:02:09

And then it happened and I was like, got it. Go, go,

1:02:11

go. Just that boom, boom.

1:02:13

And I was like, come on, break through, break through. And then went straight

1:02:16

through. Fuck yeah. Just

1:02:18

wanted to see that guy beat up so bad. Yeah,

1:02:20

I think a lot of people did. Were you paying attention to all

1:02:22

the lead up on X? Cause I asked you about

1:02:25

YouTube. I want to ask you about X. Cause

1:02:27

I see you on X sometimes. X breaks

1:02:29

my heart.

1:02:29

Twitter was my

1:02:32

favorite social media platform.

1:02:34

And I'm a huge Elon fan. I'm not

1:02:36

an Elon hater. I think

1:02:38

he's changed the world. I think there's very few people in the

1:02:41

history of humanity like that have

1:02:43

done what he's done. I think he is on the level of

1:02:45

a Tesla or an Edison.

1:02:47

Like it's incredible what that man has done. But

1:02:50

I don't get X.

1:02:51

I mean, I understand the anger

1:02:53

and the frustration that's wanting to say, fuck

1:02:55

you to the world and write a check for $40 billion just

1:02:58

so you can release those internal documents to say,

1:03:00

see you guys were censoring people for political reasons.

1:03:03

Like that kind of pettiness,

1:03:05

I respect. You know what

1:03:07

I mean? That's fucking funny. That's hysterical.

1:03:11

But in the,

1:03:12

you know, in the, in the,

1:03:14

like the fallout of that is like my favorite

1:03:16

social media which was, I was like, Twitter

1:03:18

was hanging on by a fucking thread. Like

1:03:20

it was right on the precipice of

1:03:23

being unusable but they always hung

1:03:25

in there. It always just worked. And

1:03:28

I feel like since he's taken over, like it doesn't work anymore.

1:03:32

It's so bad. It doesn't work. Like my favorite

1:03:34

thing, this is such a, like this is an isolated use

1:03:36

case for someone who has a lot of followers.

1:03:39

Like the three of us,

1:03:40

we have a lot of followers.

1:03:41

What the verified

1:03:43

tab was is it's a way of just doing like, is

1:03:45

someone out there who I know who they are. And it's not

1:03:48

always famous people. Sometimes it's a journalist that has 500 followers but

1:03:51

at least you know who they say they are. You click on that

1:03:53

tab and it's a different way of interacting with people than the

1:03:55

big one, or strangers

1:03:57

you might want to. And it just gave you some

1:03:59

structure. is otherwise a big liquid

1:04:02

gelatinous mess. That's wrong. So

1:04:04

now you click on it, it's just a hodgepodge.

1:04:07

I have no idea who I'm communicating it

1:04:09

with. And then like

1:04:11

something like you know the conflict in the Middle East

1:04:13

happens. Like I'm a big Jew and I speak out

1:04:15

for my against anti-Semitism.

1:04:17

And I think I do it like pretty impartially. I'm

1:04:20

not saying anything negative about the Palestinian

1:04:23

people that are suffering. They have my support too.

1:04:26

But just because I'm Jewish and I put out a word out

1:04:28

there to support my Jewish brethren who are suffering.

1:04:31

I can't open Twitter anymore. Everything's

1:04:34

destroyed. Like they've unleashed the bots

1:04:36

on me.

1:04:37

And it's the same with Instagram. But Instagram

1:04:39

like I feel like there's somebody behind the wheel

1:04:40

and they gave me some tools and I pump up those tools

1:04:42

and hey Instagram works again. It's perfect. And

1:04:45

on X it is like I can't even open it anymore.

1:04:47

Feels like a war zone. What is your feed

1:04:49

book like? It's just nonsense.

1:04:52

It's like 30 percent crypto

1:04:54

bots that I blocked 20

1:04:56

of every time I open the app.

1:04:58

It's 50 percent terrorism

1:05:01

bots that are threatening my life and my family.

1:05:04

And then it's like a half a percent of people

1:05:06

that I wish I could just interact with that are like interested

1:05:09

and want to talk about running. And

1:05:11

what I feel like I used to feel like I had a pipeline to those

1:05:13

people and I loved it.

1:05:15

I love when someone would ask me some silly question

1:05:17

about running your cameras or like you

1:05:19

know I'm gonna talk to this stranger today. That made me feel

1:05:21

so good. It feels like all that stuff's gone.

1:05:24

Like when I sign on now it's just

1:05:26

school fights,

1:05:28

shootings,

1:05:29

and just this like I

1:05:32

think what they have

1:05:34

elevated algorithmically there based

1:05:37

on Elon's strange twisted

1:05:39

viewpoint of what should be elevated by

1:05:42

well guys under the viewpoint that

1:05:45

free speech, free speech, you know what

1:05:47

I'm saying? But it's really an elevation of just really

1:05:50

disgusting material. I

1:05:53

mean especially with this recent conflict like there's

1:05:55

a dude I can't think of his name and nor do I want

1:05:57

to even mention him that is that has taken

1:05:59

up a pro.

1:05:59

a very pro-Palestinian

1:06:02

without seeing both sides

1:06:04

because I think it's important that both sides are represented

1:06:07

and mentioned, but he's taken up a very pro-Palestinian

1:06:09

viewpoint and he is the leader on

1:06:11

X, above Elon, above everyone right now in terms of impressions.

1:06:14

Number one in the world. I, once again, don't

1:06:16

want to say his name, but he'll post a thing like,

1:06:21

I commented on it yesterday, children

1:06:23

are dying, this

1:06:25

situation needs our attention, subscribe

1:06:28

to my premiums. And it's him with a cigar

1:06:30

like this saying, fuck at Israel. Wow.

1:06:33

Subscribe to my premium. And I tweeted, this

1:06:36

conflict has become your only fans.

1:06:39

Like you write, children are dying,

1:06:41

subscribe to my premium. Those two

1:06:43

in the same sentence is a wild combination.

1:06:46

So it's like, how do you solve for that? I don't

1:06:48

know, including neither does Elon, but I feel

1:06:50

like in the old Twitter, as bad as it was,

1:06:53

as imperfect as it was,

1:06:55

there were enough checks and balances to sort

1:06:57

of temper that. And

1:06:59

I do think that like threads is in

1:07:01

his infancy and like people are like threads

1:07:04

is dead. They're like,

1:07:05

do you know who Mark Zuckerberg

1:07:06

is? Does he ever lose? Like,

1:07:08

no,

1:07:09

he will continue to beat that drum

1:07:11

until that thing works.

1:07:13

So like, I do have faith

1:07:15

that in the future, there'll be a tool mentioned,

1:07:18

but he's taken up a very pro-Palestinian viewpoint and

1:07:20

he is the leader on X, above

1:07:22

Elon, above everyone right now in terms of impressions. Number

1:07:24

one in the world. Once again, don't wanna say

1:07:27

his name, but he'll post a thing like, I

1:07:31

commented on yesterday, children

1:07:33

are dying, this

1:07:35

situation needs our attention, subscribe

1:07:38

to my premium. And it's him with a cigar

1:07:40

like this saying, fuck at Israel, subscribe

1:07:44

to my premium. And I tweeted, this

1:07:46

conflict has become your only fans.

1:07:48

Like you write, children are dying,

1:07:51

subscribe to my premium. Those two

1:07:53

in the same sentence is a wild combination.

1:07:57

How do you solve for that? I don't know, including.

1:07:59

as Elon, but I feel like

1:08:00

in the old Twitter, as bad as it was,

1:08:03

as imperfect as it was, there

1:08:05

were enough checks and balances to sort of temper

1:08:08

that. And I do think that like,

1:08:10

like threads is in its infancy and like people

1:08:13

are like threads is dead. They're like,

1:08:15

do you know who Mark Zuckerberg is? Does

1:08:17

he ever lose? Like, no,

1:08:19

he will continue to beat that drum until

1:08:22

that thing

1:08:22

works. So like, I

1:08:24

do have faith that in the future, there'll be a tool

1:08:27

that was once as useful as Twitter. I hope

1:08:30

I wish somebody besides Facebook was making

1:08:32

it. I wish it was a third party thing. But I

1:08:34

do think that like, there's a clear opportunity

1:08:37

in the market. Like I have that desire communicating

1:08:39

with my

1:08:40

followers with strangers.

1:08:42

And like YouTube's made tools to do that. But it always

1:08:44

felt strange to have it all siloed into one place

1:08:47

community notes. Yeah,

1:08:48

but having that on Twitter, or Twitter back

1:08:50

in the day, I

1:08:51

would get into conversations with people

1:08:53

who have three followers

1:08:54

from the other side of the world. It was like a really

1:08:56

special feeling. It was a special

1:08:58

day. I'm like, that's just gone. Do you think Elon's

1:09:00

doing too much?

1:09:02

I mean, I don't know. I would have thought he was doing too much when

1:09:04

he's like, I've got a car company. I also want to

1:09:06

make rockets. I'm like, dude, pick one. But he did

1:09:09

both of those really well. So

1:09:11

I you know, I don't know. I don't know. And it's like,

1:09:13

I'm in no position to,

1:09:15

to critique someone like

1:09:17

him. He's a you know, he's,

1:09:18

he's a different kind of human for

1:09:20

many of us. And I think it's

1:09:22

how does he have the energy?

1:09:24

That's the biggest thing, especially as I get older, I've

1:09:26

been drinking more caffeine, like

1:09:28

energy is finite. And I don't

1:09:30

have as much as I used to. And it goes away

1:09:32

the older I get.

1:09:34

Jeff Bezos billionaire

1:09:36

makes sense to me.

1:09:38

You like do it. And you're like,

1:09:40

fuck it. Like, I'm gonna get jacked. I'm

1:09:42

gonna get like a hot new girlfriend, big boobs,

1:09:45

and I'm gonna get a whole bunch of yachts. Yeah,

1:09:48

like, it's like, that makes sense.

1:09:50

Yeah, yeah. It makes sense. Someone like

1:09:52

Elon is like richest man on the planet.

1:09:54

I'm gonna live in like a trailer park next to

1:09:56

my rocket. I'm trying to save the world. Yeah,

1:09:59

let me keep

1:09:59

taking on more responsibility. It's like, like

1:10:02

the first inkling of financial

1:10:05

security that I experienced,

1:10:06

I immediately stopped doing everything.

1:10:07

Moved to California,

1:10:10

did nothing but play house with my daughters and

1:10:12

go surfing for three years until I got bored of it. Yeah.

1:10:15

You know what I mean? Like I'm no interest

1:10:17

in being a hero. Like you get one life

1:10:20

and like I appreciate ambition, but

1:10:22

I will never understand that

1:10:24

kind of ambition. Maybe it's because

1:10:27

he's in a position where he knows, like you said,

1:10:29

he is the modern day Edison.

1:10:32

He is the modern day Tesla. He can do amazing things

1:10:34

that will

1:10:35

keep his name significant for a very

1:10:37

long time. But I'm

1:10:39

on the same boat, man. Like you got one life.

1:10:42

Enjoy it. I don't know

1:10:44

how much energy I have to- Wait till

1:10:46

you have kids.

1:10:47

And it's like, no, no,

1:10:49

I think that's a positive. No, I know, but

1:10:51

I think my priorities will shift even more. Yeah,

1:10:53

yeah. It'll be less like, I want to be remembered

1:10:56

to like, I just want to be loved by

1:10:58

the people who love me and who

1:11:00

I love. I just have a happy

1:11:02

life. I was at a football game with your mom a couple of

1:11:04

weeks ago. That sounds awesome.

1:11:06

That it is. That's crazy. I was at a football

1:11:08

game with your mom a couple of weeks ago.

1:11:11

What the fuck did you say to me, bro? Where's

1:11:13

my phone? I want to show the picture. You can be with your

1:11:15

mom at a football game. A football game with

1:11:17

your mom a lot. Fuck you, Casey, not a guest

1:11:19

to say to me, bro. Yeah, here's the thing. I was at a football

1:11:22

game with your mom. No,

1:11:24

I don't believe you. I don't believe you. No.

1:11:27

And I was like, she's going to no football game. And

1:11:29

I was just like, with her. Yo.

1:11:33

Pam. This joke's only funny if

1:11:35

I can roll up the picture. I do. I do believe.

1:11:37

This joke's only funny. What football game? I can validate.

1:11:40

With

1:11:40

Jake there too.

1:11:42

Wait, did these cameras? If he says no, that'll be problematic.

1:11:44

Did these cameras have a zoo? I don't believe in Pam. Motherfucker.

1:11:47

Nah, nah. Nah. No,

1:11:50

that's not my fault. Oh, this is Pam.

1:11:54

All right. That's my fault.

1:11:56

Explain yourself. No,

1:11:58

that is Jeff. She was there with your brother.

1:11:59

But it's nice

1:12:02

to see her though. It's always nice talk to her. But when

1:12:04

you have a kid,

1:12:05

it's like this shift happens Like there's this quote

1:12:07

that somebody smart said which is like you have two

1:12:09

lives and your second life begins

1:12:12

The minute you realize your first life is over

1:12:15

The quotes probably better than that, but it's something like that And

1:12:18

I think like that that shift for most sane

1:12:20

humans is when they have a child Because

1:12:23

it's like you live your whole life right now for Logan

1:12:26

and I know you love your fiance I know you love your mom

1:12:28

and your brother and your friends

1:12:30

but

1:12:31

All of a sudden you have this tiny

1:12:34

thing Yeah That will die if

1:12:36

you don't give it food and closing

1:12:38

and shelter and attention and all

1:12:41

these things And you give it that and then it like grows

1:12:44

and they get to talk to it And

1:12:46

it's like daddy chocolate milk. You give it that chocolate milk

1:12:48

smiles and you're like Yeah, that's

1:12:50

what I'm here for. Yeah, and like

1:12:53

for me that was like a nuclear bomb

1:12:55

that just Nuked my

1:12:58

professional and they like I still want to do

1:13:00

great things in my life

1:13:01

But like there's everything is a distant

1:13:04

second to wanting to like raise

1:13:06

these kids very well said Yeah,

1:13:08

I could feel that it already. I don't even

1:13:10

have a kid. It's a wonderful thing It's

1:13:12

a wonderful thing and I think like, you know, I

1:13:14

also had a kid when I was 16 years old and

1:13:16

it was like it is the Diatotomy

1:13:19

between having kids then and having kids

1:13:21

now like I had nothing when I had

1:13:23

him and it was like no I have to do all this

1:13:25

stuff in this world for this kid

1:13:28

And now I have all this stuff and it's like I need

1:13:30

to do all this stuff for these

1:13:32

kids And what this stuff is has changed

1:13:34

so dramatically, but the intent

1:13:37

is exactly the same. It's a beautiful

1:13:39

wonderful thing Yeah, yeah, I am

1:13:41

the biggest proponent not like some fucked

1:13:44

up pro-life conservative Bible

1:13:46

way But as far as like a human

1:13:48

being who loves life

1:13:50

Having children is like a absolutely wonderful

1:13:53

thing if you are one of the privileged few who gets

1:13:55

experience Parenthood is an amazing

1:13:57

thing. I'm

1:13:58

ready

1:13:59

I'm trying to pop out a run. Yeah, really?

1:14:02

Yeah 28 how she she's 30 31

1:14:06

I you know my life's three years older than me. I think

1:14:08

maybe she's four years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I

1:14:10

think that's about we did it. Yeah, it's good.

1:14:13

I'm gonna get a stable as fuck. We're engaged

1:14:16

You also find focus like you find focus

1:14:18

in your career when you have it basically like all the noise

1:14:21

goes away She's like fuck. I don't care about that. Yeah,

1:14:23

I went from having a thousand friends having like four is

1:14:25

a great Yeah, all the noise

1:14:27

is just like yeah get out of my life

1:14:30

This is my purpose my focus Did

1:14:34

you ever talk about the Dobrik documentary

1:14:36

publicly is that something that yeah, we

1:14:38

can talk about it Um, I

1:14:40

never it's never been released publicly. That's

1:14:42

that's why I wanted to talk about it because you showed

1:14:45

me and Jimmy Yeah, I showed it to you

1:14:47

guys you saw the like what was the final cut? Yeah

1:14:49

in South Africa It's great movie heavy

1:14:51

movie wild wild wild wild

1:14:53

documentary The documentary is

1:14:56

I started making a movie about David

1:14:58

who was you know, one of my dearest friends

1:15:02

About just his rise which was unlike anything I've

1:15:04

ever experienced and then You

1:15:06

know this article came out about Some

1:15:09

like really terrible things that happened on the set

1:15:11

of one of his videos things that he didn't do

1:15:14

but one of his Co-stars did one of

1:15:16

the guys dirty Dom real scumbag was

1:15:18

in his videos You know, he assaulted

1:15:20

this young girl in one of his videos and this story

1:15:23

came out

1:15:24

In just really torpedoed his career

1:15:27

Necessarily, this is a horrible thing that happened

1:15:30

and it shined light on really the negative sides

1:15:32

of what his career had been up until then And

1:15:35

I was there and I didn't know that that was coming

1:15:37

so I captured all of that

1:15:39

It was really seeing like the collapse of a

1:15:41

career in real time And

1:15:44

that's what the movie was about was about sort of how

1:15:46

he dealt with that About how that story came

1:15:48

to light what it meant to the people involved how it affected

1:15:50

their lives It was a really

1:15:52

like I think a really monumental piece

1:15:55

of documentary filmmaking and

1:15:57

we premiered at the South by Southwest Film Festival

1:17:59

to the world to tell the truth.

1:18:02

And I think this movie did that. And

1:18:05

then at the end of that, I too was just like,

1:18:08

who am I to be this? Like, why do I have to be the

1:18:10

arbiter here? Interesting. It's like the magnifying

1:18:13

glass. Does it cover any of

1:18:15

the Jeff stuff? Or is it? A little

1:18:17

bit, it touches on that. But again, Jeff

1:18:19

speaks for Jeff in that,

1:18:21

in that part of the narrative. David speaks

1:18:23

for David in that part of the narrative.

1:18:26

Is there any grand revelations or is it just having

1:18:29

a real eye on it? I

1:18:32

think what the movie is at the end of the day

1:18:34

is it shows what happens when

1:18:37

tremendous

1:18:37

responsibility is bestowed

1:18:40

on individuals that are unaccustomed

1:18:43

to that kind of responsibility

1:18:45

in a world

1:18:46

that has yet figured out a deal with that kind

1:18:48

of responsibility. I think there are parallels

1:18:50

there with like,

1:18:51

if you think of what rock and roll was in the 60s that

1:18:54

we're only learning about now, like these rock stars

1:18:56

that are dating underage women and are

1:18:58

wreaking all this havoc all over the world with groupies and drugs

1:19:00

and death and suicide and all of this

1:19:02

gnarliness just happened then because

1:19:05

nobody was looking, nobody was paying attention.

1:19:07

And I think that the YouTube world, it's

1:19:09

now finding some shape and some structure.

1:19:12

But if you remember when we were coming up,

1:19:14

like it's like no one's looking over our

1:19:16

shoulders. I thank God that

1:19:18

I was 35 when I blew up on YouTube.

1:19:22

But what were you, were you 20, 21? Like

1:19:25

no one's looking over Logan's shoulder. No

1:19:27

one's there to be like, hey man, this

1:19:30

isn't how you should do things or let's

1:19:32

slow down. Let's think about what we're doing.

1:19:34

That's why I brought

1:19:35

Mike in. No, seriously, it's why I brought Mike

1:19:37

in. I needed,

1:19:39

I know the brother

1:19:40

who's has lived a little bit of life to be like, yo, this

1:19:42

is not, you're not, this isn't the way to go, bro. You

1:19:45

need help. You need to pivot immediately. And

1:19:47

I think David's a product of that. It's not an excuse

1:19:49

for the things that happened. Ultimately,

1:19:52

you are responsible for what happened. And this

1:19:54

is an apology for him. But I

1:19:56

do think he was part of that. It's

1:19:58

like you have this hubris.

1:20:00

You were successful because of you.

1:20:03

No one ever told you what to do and despite

1:20:05

that, or because of that, you made

1:20:07

your own decision and those decisions led you to

1:20:09

such a profound success.

1:20:10

Why would you ever do anything but say fuck

1:20:12

the world, I'm going to listen to me. But

1:20:15

that is the very definition of hubris. Like that,

1:20:18

you will crash into the wall at full speed

1:20:20

if you do that. And there's a million

1:20:22

stories, maybe not a million, but you and I have probably stayed here

1:20:24

and come up with 12 names. That is exactly

1:20:27

what's happened to. And I think he was one

1:20:29

of those stories.

1:20:31

And I think because of my personal relationship and

1:20:34

just my intimacy

1:20:36

level I have with the characters involved, it

1:20:38

left me feeling strange.

1:20:40

And I will say,

1:20:42

part of the shame I have in admitting that

1:20:44

is that it does

1:20:46

reveal things for the victims, the real

1:20:48

victims. And David Dover is

1:20:50

not a victim at all. He's not a victim. Natalie

1:20:52

is not a victim.

1:20:54

But there are victims in this story.

1:20:57

They don't get to have their story told

1:20:59

because of my

1:21:01

insecurities, because of my cowardice and not

1:21:03

wanting to put that video out. And I'm hyper

1:21:06

conflicted because of that. Have you spoken to them

1:21:08

about that?

1:21:09

The victims? I have. And what's

1:21:12

their take? I mean, obviously, I

1:21:14

would have never released this without having

1:21:16

the victims' full consent and understanding. And

1:21:18

by the way, when I say victims, these are people who have never revealed

1:21:21

their real names. People who are highly

1:21:24

confidential, who are not interested in revealing their

1:21:26

names,

1:21:26

but are real people, whose lives were dramatically

1:21:29

affected. What are they seeking?

1:21:31

Do you know, have you spoken to them about that? Do you know about

1:21:33

justice? Do you know

1:21:34

about justice? Accountability? No, but by having their

1:21:36

story understood, they

1:21:39

feel like they're no longer

1:21:41

invisible. And that's a huge deal. But

1:21:44

their sentiment was represented.

1:21:47

It's not like- That's exactly right. Do you know what

1:21:49

I'm saying? It's not like the public

1:21:51

sentiment is anti-their-

1:21:54

No, not at all. Their experience. In fact, the

1:21:56

opposite. So does it just add

1:21:58

even more color and granularity?

1:21:59

Got it. Yeah, and I that's a

1:22:02

part of this is getting into nuance I think it's a part of the movie

1:22:04

is that like I didn't do reporting

1:22:06

I didn't break stories in this look

1:22:08

this movie is literally about a news article that I didn't write

1:22:11

that came out

1:22:13

About

1:22:14

this kid this youtuber

1:22:15

and I covered what happened after that story came

1:22:17

out. I didn't write the story

1:22:19

I didn't create the things that happened. I

1:22:21

was this observer this sort of neutral observer

1:22:24

watching it all happen in Fucking

1:22:26

horror

1:22:27

in trying to capture that story and that's what the

1:22:29

movie told

1:22:30

the movie will come out It will be you think so.

1:22:33

Yeah, I'm not I'm not keeping it from

1:22:35

coming out I you know, my dream is to have

1:22:37

it out there and this is you know

1:22:39

This is something I'm willing to do tomorrow But my dream

1:22:42

is to have it out there

1:22:43

and to have it out there via a third

1:22:45

party That's not me like I would love

1:22:48

for a news channel You

1:22:50

know like a pick one of the news outlets

1:22:52

have have it on a streamer that says

1:22:54

like something news put that this out That

1:22:57

I think would contextualize it in a way that makes me feel very

1:22:59

comfortable with it,

1:23:01

you know Is finance the only obstacle there?

1:23:03

No, there's no obstacle. I would give it to Clip

1:23:07

not get picked up in that news channel doesn't call call

1:23:09

me

1:23:10

call me Agent it was

1:23:12

paper this tomorrow What are you doing

1:23:14

next Casey besides running the marathon? But

1:23:16

like even after that fast forward. What are

1:23:18

you actually doing?

1:23:20

I mean I

1:23:22

Have like

1:23:23

a thing. I've got a couple things Like

1:23:25

without getting into it like my favorite person in the world. Who's

1:23:27

my business.

1:23:28

What are my favorite school in the world? I like my kids my

1:23:30

wife I like my business

1:23:33

partner Matt Hackett that I built my tech company

1:23:35

with is just one of the greatest humans I've

1:23:37

ever met

1:23:38

He is the most level-headed focused intelligent

1:23:41

people who just calming to be around

1:23:44

He's like a human Xanax who's smarter

1:23:46

than you everything you

1:23:49

I love this guy

1:23:51

He's been like a like a CEO for hire

1:23:53

for the last couple years He's doing great things, but he's

1:23:55

kind of you know, he and I are flirting with

1:23:57

ideas of starting something new I don't

1:23:59

know

1:23:59

what that might be or if that'll be anything. But like,

1:24:03

I get a little excited about that. You know, like

1:24:05

we're slow walking it because the kids are still young. I love

1:24:07

being home at five o'clock to hang out with them. So

1:24:11

there are some things that I look ahead that

1:24:13

I'm excited about. But like my dream

1:24:15

for the next eight months is like I'm

1:24:18

excited to finish the race on Sunday and then

1:24:20

just get back to like being alone in my office

1:24:22

and making little videos about stupid shit that I think I'm

1:24:24

on my run. Like that's what I wanna do right now and

1:24:26

hang out with my baby. Cool. It's

1:24:28

a good life, man. It's a good life. You

1:24:30

know what it is? It's a fucking privilege. Sure.

1:24:33

You get to go home and play with your kids and not

1:24:35

worry about red. Totally. Totally, of course,

1:24:37

man. That's the daily struggle.

1:24:40

I, when I was training for this fight, I took a very

1:24:42

fucking serious return. We trained very hard. It's not a fight.

1:24:45

Yeah, I had to. You

1:24:47

know, there's a lot of the line and this

1:24:51

revelation I kept coming to when I was training all

1:24:53

this shit is like, maybe this is a little

1:24:55

harsh, but like, ah,

1:24:59

fuck it. It's not even the right climate to say some shit like this,

1:25:01

but this might get cut. Man,

1:25:04

life is war. Life is war. Everyone

1:25:06

has their own little respective battles every fucking

1:25:08

day, struggling, trying to make

1:25:10

ends meet, keep up with this, and then

1:25:13

obviously in the current climate, I wanna be sensitive

1:25:15

when I say something like that because

1:25:17

someone can have the most

1:25:20

trivial struggle in their life that to them

1:25:22

is a big deal. And there's actual war, but man,

1:25:25

it is a push and a pull and a fight to

1:25:27

survive. And so when people like you and I can

1:25:31

be in this position and acknowledge that we

1:25:33

are indeed privileged, that we could do certain things

1:25:35

and show up to play with your kids

1:25:37

at 5 p.m. and not have to worry about rent, like

1:25:40

significant, significant. And the awareness

1:25:42

of that I think is important because not everyone can

1:25:44

say that.

1:25:45

And...

1:25:47

No, Logan, I'll give

1:25:49

that even greater context so you don't

1:25:51

cut it, but it's like

1:25:53

everyone's dealing with battles.

1:25:55

And

1:25:56

when people say it's all relative, my

1:25:58

response to that is fuck you.

1:25:59

all relative. It's not. Because

1:26:03

the lies, there are wars, conflict,

1:26:05

you get in fights with your wife, you're like, no, I've got to be the bigger

1:26:07

person. I've got to see this through his relationship matters. Something

1:26:10

happens and it feels existential if I don't win this fight,

1:26:12

if I don't run this marathon, like, fuck,

1:26:14

I said on the podcast, I was going to do this. Like, I'm a, you

1:26:17

have to hit the brakes and

1:26:19

be like, no, no, it's not all relative.

1:26:21

Because like, if you're in Gaza right now, if

1:26:24

you're in Israel right now and your

1:26:26

children are in a tunnel somewhere,

1:26:28

your kids have been kidnapped.

1:26:30

What they're dealing with is way fucking gnarlier

1:26:32

than anything we're going to face. And you, the

1:26:35

reason why you have to remind yourself of that is

1:26:37

because it, it reminds you of how insignificant

1:26:40

your conflicts are. And it lets you say, no,

1:26:42

no, no,

1:26:43

I love my life. I am

1:26:45

privileged. I have nothing to complain about.

1:26:48

And it reinforces your responsibility

1:26:50

to like, be good and do good in this world.

1:26:53

Nina, my fiance, was,

1:26:55

was going through all the harassment,

1:26:58

you know, and

1:26:59

didn't make her feel good. The moment the

1:27:01

war broke out and there was like real conflict,

1:27:04

struggles in 30 seconds, she

1:27:07

goes, literally none of my shit matters. Like,

1:27:10

my problems are irrelevant to

1:27:12

the actual horrors that are going on in this part of the world.

1:27:14

And so like, we, I actually

1:27:16

stopped in, you know, in camp, we're like, we're going to war.

1:27:19

War broke out. We said, yo, there's levels to the shit.

1:27:22

We are not this. I'm going to a fight

1:27:24

tonight. It's like, so few people

1:27:26

recognize that they say my conflict today is

1:27:29

existential. This is where the world begins. And

1:27:32

you have to reach a level of maturity before you understand. Like,

1:27:35

no, it's not perspective issues. And it's also,

1:27:37

it's hard. It's hard. It's hard.

1:27:39

You get fired from your job. My life's

1:27:40

over. Yeah. You know, like

1:27:43

you, you don't pay rent. You get evicted. It's happened to me.

1:27:45

My life's over, you know,

1:27:46

like I couldn't afford diapers when I had a

1:27:48

kid, we're on welfare. You

1:27:51

know, like I get fired from one of my two jobs. Like I

1:27:53

couldn't pay rent. My life was over. Tough, hard,

1:27:55

hard, but guess what? Yeah. And there's

1:27:57

no shame in that. No shame.

1:27:59

It's that saying of

1:28:02

my worst pain is your worst pain. But

1:28:04

you do have to step back and- No, your worst

1:28:06

pain is some people's fantasy.

1:28:08

I know. Yeah, you gotta step back and realize

1:28:11

that.

1:28:11

That mom in Israel's kids have been kidnapped.

1:28:14

She would

1:28:14

dream of having her biggest nightmare

1:28:17

be that she can't afford fucking rent. What

1:28:20

a privilege. And if you can remind

1:28:22

yourself of that, you think to yourself, I

1:28:24

have nothing to complain about in life. What

1:28:26

a dream this is that I get to live like this. I

1:28:29

try to find that every- I don't always succeed.

1:28:31

I try to find that every single day.

1:28:34

Every single day. Don't

1:28:36

know how to release your documentary? I

1:28:38

cry me a fucking- Three hours, 10

1:28:41

minutes? Yeah, three hours, 30

1:28:43

minutes didn't make it. Cry me a fucking

1:28:45

riff. What a- these are my problems?

1:28:48

Yes, please.

1:28:50

Humble, insightful, self-aware,

1:28:52

driven, ambitious, Casey Neistat, ladies and gentlemen. Great

1:28:54

place to end the podcast.

1:28:57

Excellent, man. Thanks for having me, gentlemen. So

1:28:59

good to have you on, always. I'm gonna skateboard home now. Hell yeah,

1:29:01

bro. Stay safe.

1:29:03

We'll see you next time. Take

1:29:05

it easy.