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where i live in southern

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california psychic shops are practically

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is plentiful a coffee shops there

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are a part of the landscape i

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know people who have regular appointments with

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their psychic it's the kind of thing

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you can drop in casual conversation

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and no one bats an eye and

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i can understand why people

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want security they won or know

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what the future will hold and

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whether through tarot cards or a crystal

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ball the fortune teller

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will hint at how your story

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will play out let

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me say up front that i don't know how this

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tale will play out or how it will end

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because in this story the fortune

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teller came to me at

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the very beginning of this podcast

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i never thought in a million

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years it would turn

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into what it is now my

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name is faith p new and i'm a reporter

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at the los angeles times but

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back in october twenty nineteen i was

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working at a small community newspaper an

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orange county called the daily pilot and

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that's where i first got a call from paulina

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stevens paulina told me that

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from the time she was a child she was told

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she would be a fortune teller that

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she came from a whole family a fortune

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tellers and then she

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mentioned something that made my ears perk

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up it

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was a warning about a psychic shop in orange

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county she told me that

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this was the psychic shop that she

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had escaped i suggested

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we meet up in person at a local cafe

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i'm a little nervous so sorry for league as

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i don't know like kind of nervous like i'm

1:38

okay take years i whatever

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wasn't

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people call reporters all the

1:45

time with salacious tips but

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when polina started talking i felt like

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i was drinking from a fire hose what

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do you do you know what i'm saying

1:56

what are you do paulina said she had

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an arranged marriage with the

2:00

And at 12, it's like you're supposed

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to know who you're getting married to, you know? That's like,

2:04

you're going through puberty, like I was getting too

2:06

old. That her parents shielded her from outsiders.

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Any kind of outsiders was a big, like, no, no.

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And then she was pulled out of school entirely,

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at 12 years old. I was actually lucky,

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like, I got to go to school up to sixth

2:18

grade.

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At the time, I was used to writing stories

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on city council meetings and town art shows.

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So Paulina's story, it was totally

2:28

out of my wheelhouse. It seemed too big.

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Because ultimately, Paulina kept blaming

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her culture, her culture, her culture. And

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if you disobey us, then you

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disobey your culture. Paulina's

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culture is Romany.

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I don't think I had ever even heard the word Romany

2:45

before. And that's because Romany

2:47

people are often known by another

2:49

name. You know,

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a gypsy. You're not going to hear

2:53

me throwing around the G word on this podcast.

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As for many in the community, it's a slur, not

2:58

for outsiders like me to use.

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But at the time, I had no idea.

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Because even a pop star like Shakira

3:05

casually throws around the G word.

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It's set against this catchy, poppy backdrop,

3:12

like something you'd instinctively hum along to. If

3:15

you weren't paying attention, you'd never notice the

3:17

lyrics are actually overtly offensive.

3:20

Cuz I'm a

3:20

cheap C. Are

3:23

you coming with me? I

3:25

might steal your clothes and wear the

3:27

mistase with me.

3:30

Once I started noticing it, I couldn't stop

3:32

seeing the G word everywhere. Clothing

3:34

brands and restaurant menus, surfboards

3:37

and teabags. It's become a shorthand

3:39

for something nomadic, wild,

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deceitful, romantic. Something

3:45

exotic, a style anyone could put

3:47

on and wear like a costume.

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And there are two stereotypes that always

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come up, that Romany people

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are fortune tellers and thieves. But

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the thing was, Paulina and her family

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were acti-

4:00

fortune tellers. And while

4:02

Paulina told me about her family and their

4:04

history, she also seemed

4:06

to be painting herself as those very stereotypes.

4:09

She seemed to want to shock me to get me to pay

4:11

attention. Like, the

4:13

rule is no stealing, only scamming.

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Because people give you stuff so it's not considered

4:19

stealing. Paulina

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seemed to be telling me, yes, fortune-telling

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is a scam. I am

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a scam artist, you know, born in bread.

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That's

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what I'm telling you. I just looked

4:32

at her like, what? You

4:34

know, you're sitting here with a reporter. Are

4:36

you turning yourself in? I didn't

4:38

know what to think. And honestly, it

4:41

didn't seem like Paulina did either. Gypsies

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have a bad rep, and

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they should, I think. I don't

4:48

know. Not all of them. And then,

4:50

Paulina said, she had decided

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to leave. Because when I left,

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I had no education, I

4:57

had two kids, no driver's

4:59

license, okay, no car. You

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know what I'm saying? I had nothing, nothing, nothing,

5:04

nothing.

5:05

The franticness in Paulina's voice suddenly

5:07

made sense. The unfiltered

5:09

panic and blurting out extreme claims.

5:13

It was the sound of someone stepping

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out of one world and into another,

5:17

questioning everything she's ever learned.

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And this was certainly part of why Paulina

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said she had come to me. But

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it wasn't just to tell her life story. The

5:26

real reason Paulina reached out to me

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was she needed help.

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Paulina has two

5:33

little girls. And when she left her

5:35

community, she was at risk of losing

5:37

them. To fight to keep

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her daughters, Paulina did the number one thing

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people in her culture were taught not to do.

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She turned to the outside world.

5:47

She took her case to the American legal system.

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and her custody hearing was coming soon.

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By leaving her community, going to the courts,

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and talking to the press, Paulina was

5:58

opening up her life to a world

6:00

of scrutiny and doubt.

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Lots of things

6:04

are sad in the heat of a fight

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to protect and to not lose

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your children.

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It's hard to me to support you if I don't know what the

6:13

f*** you're doing. Paulina was a diamond. Now

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she's just a stone.

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But Paulina and I kept talking. For

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years. As Paulina and I got

6:23

to know each other, we peeled back layer

6:25

after layer together. Both of us

6:27

trying to get to the actual truth beneath

6:30

the surface, to

6:31

the place beyond the resentment and the

6:33

stereotypes. You

6:36

have to be exclusionist

6:38

in order to preserve identity.

6:43

You have to close ranks to

6:46

prevent infiltration

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from outside. One

6:51

time during a session she did

6:53

a healing bowl and it put

6:55

me in a complete trance. I

6:58

opened my eyes and the whole room

7:00

was like a white cloud and I could barely

7:03

see her. What we offer

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is a spiritual

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practice and

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a spiritual, dare

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I say it, business, right? Because

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it's true of any community, of any

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identity, that there are stereotypes

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and there are truths. And

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while sometimes they can overlap in superficial

7:29

ways, the whole and deep

7:31

story is so much richer and

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more complicated than we could have ever predicted.

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It's weird actually how I went

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from loving it to absolutely

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hating it and now missing it.

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I'm Faith Pinyou

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from the Los Angeles Times. This is

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FOUR-TOLED. Coming April 11th. Listen

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