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1:09

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1:11

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1:14

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1:16

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1:19

me a little grace here. We

1:21

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1:23

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1:26

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2:39

Is that it? Is it? I

2:41

guess so. I think that's it. I think we should

2:43

get inside of Lou Diamond

2:45

Phillips. It's my point of

2:47

view. You're

2:49

listening to inside of

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you with Michael Rosenbaum.

2:59

Inside of you with Michael Rosenbaum was not recorded in front

3:01

of a live. Well, dude, here we are. I'm

3:04

excited you're doing this. You know, we

3:06

have mutual friends named drop Jason Patrick and Kiefer, of course. Yes,

3:11

indeed. And we've been

3:13

I mean, you know, thanks to the strike, we were

3:15

all on the the the con circuit last fall. Do

3:21

you like doing that? Do you like doing it? You know,

3:23

I got to say something, man. I've liked it. You

3:26

know, I got to say something, man. I've likened it

3:29

before to doing

3:31

theater and meeting fans at the stage

3:33

door. And I've

3:35

always I've always loved the connection

3:37

to, you know, the

3:39

fans, the people who have followed me and supported

3:42

me and everything else. And I'm very grateful for

3:44

that. And, you know, I was

3:46

a little, you know, a scant

3:49

about it to begin with, because, you

3:51

know, the whole

3:53

commerce of it all. But then I realized the

3:55

deal is you

3:57

show up and at an appointed time in

3:59

an appointed. place and they are

4:01

guaranteed to meet you and guaranteed to

4:03

have their time and say what

4:06

you want. And I'm not one of these people who, you know, hurries

4:08

people through the line. It's

4:11

an opportunity to make a connection that

4:14

may never happen, you know, if not for

4:16

that setup. You know, some people can go

4:18

their whole lives and go, oh, I'd like

4:21

to meet, you know, LDP or Michael Rosenbaum

4:23

or whatever, and never run into you at

4:25

the supermarket or something. So, true. This, you

4:28

know, this is the deal and this is

4:30

why people buy tickets and why they come.

4:32

And so I've embraced that and

4:35

I've come to really appreciate it. And

4:37

it's, it's really, really sweet to

4:39

see the fan reaction. Well, you know, I'm a

4:41

big fan of yours. I know a lot of

4:43

people are out there and it's a treat having

4:46

you. But by the way, when you're at a

4:48

con, what did people ask for most for you

4:50

to sign? Because you've done so many things. Uh,

4:54

yeah, it's mostly, you know, the photos and whatnot. I

4:56

mean, when they

4:58

bring their own stuff, you know, that's always

5:00

really interesting. Somebody's had a VHS

5:02

or even the album, you know, of a

5:05

La Vamba. That's, you know, that's kind of

5:07

a big one. You know,

5:09

some people go out of their way and get the posters

5:11

and whatnot. Strangely,

5:13

I've signed a bunch of guitars, I've signed

5:15

a bunch of knives. Yeah.

5:19

And so there's, there's always

5:22

something that's just a little left of center.

5:24

That's really interesting. Now your thought was you

5:26

were born in the Philippines. Yeah. And you

5:28

know, when my stepmom's Filipino, my I have

5:31

a close, I didn't do, we have

5:33

to get done, you know, throw down some,

5:35

uh, or something or some show pal, some

5:37

show pal. Yeah. Right. See, I

5:41

got the whole Filipino houseboy thing working, man. I could

5:43

do that. Do you, do you cook, or

5:45

do you speak Tagalog? I do

5:48

not. And I blame my mother. She never taught

5:50

me, you know, she, she never taught me. Most

5:52

people think that I speak Spanish. Again, I do

5:54

not, just like I don't really play the

5:56

guitar. So you just speak English. You

6:00

don't speak any other languages. No,

6:03

no. Yeah, this is what they say,

6:05

you know, the old joke. What do

6:07

you call somebody who speaks three languages?

6:10

Tri-lingual, somebody who speaks two languages,

6:12

bilingual, somebody who speaks only one

6:15

language, American. That's

6:18

very, very true. Now,

6:21

was he in the army or he was a

6:24

colonel or what? Maybe, no, my dad. Yeah, there

6:26

was some weird stuff out there. I

6:28

was named after Gunnery Sergeant Lou Diamond, who was

6:30

in the Marines. Some

6:32

people get that overlap. My

6:35

father, Gerald Upchurch, my biological father was

6:37

in the Navy. Then my mom there,

6:40

when he passed, my mother remarried also

6:43

a Navy man, George Phillips, hence that,

6:45

you know, the last name. And

6:48

we traveled a lot when I was

6:50

growing up, different

6:52

Navy bases all

6:54

over the place and finally settled down in Texas. How

6:57

old were you when your father passed? I

7:00

was very young. I think I was

7:02

like just past a year old, something like that.

7:04

Okay, so you're- Yeah, I never knew Gerald. My

7:08

cousins on the Upchurch side of the family and I are very

7:10

close, but as

7:13

far as I knew George Phillips was, you know, was

7:15

my dad and always my dad, you know, so- Good

7:18

upbringing, very supportive. Great,

7:20

fantastic. Didn't you care that you

7:22

wanted to be an actor? You

7:26

know, it's so funny because it goes back, I was

7:28

maybe 12, 13, we were already in Texas at the

7:30

time. My dad who grew

7:32

up in, you know, North Carolina, he talks like this,

7:34

you know, and it's only gotten deeper and worse

7:36

since he's lived in Texas. He

7:38

says, son, what do you think you

7:41

might wanna do for a living? And

7:43

at the time I said, oh, I'm gonna be a writer. He

7:46

goes, well, you might wanna

7:49

think about something that makes a little bit more

7:51

money. So I came back

7:53

a year later and said, you know what dad,

7:55

I wanna be an actor. That's

7:57

not really what I had in mind, son. You

8:00

just went from the sublime

8:02

to the ridiculous. Yeah, exactly. But

8:05

it was one of the most wonderful moments.

8:08

I decided to major in theater and college.

8:10

I went to the University of Texas at

8:12

Arlington. Not

8:15

just my dad, but my high school

8:17

counselor, my drama teacher, they all tried

8:20

to talk me out of majoring in

8:22

drama, because it was just inconceivable to

8:24

anyone, inconceivable to anyone that, you know,

8:26

you could make a living doing this,

8:28

you know, growing up in Corpus Christi,

8:30

Texas. And the

8:32

first film that I got was a little

8:34

Christian youth film called Angel Alley. And

8:37

we had the premiere in Dallas and my dad came

8:39

up and you watched

8:41

the movie. And then, you

8:43

know, we went back to the apartment

8:45

that I had by UTA and

8:47

we had a six pack. And for some reason we sat

8:49

on the floor. We didn't actually sit on the couch. We

8:51

sat on the floor around the coffee table and

8:54

we popped one and my dad said, so

8:58

I think you're gonna be all right. Really?

9:01

It was huge, man. That was sort of the

9:04

acknowledgement, like, oh, okay. I get it now. I

9:06

get it. And how old were you? Maybe

9:10

I was 20. Yeah, maybe I

9:12

was 20 at that point. Yeah, I don't

9:14

know if I ever got the acknowledgement still

9:16

to this day with the success I've had,

9:18

but wow, that's me. And

9:20

it's so important, you know, especially

9:23

in an industry like this, when you're just like,

9:25

you know, it feels like your dreams are so

9:28

far away and the rejection

9:30

is everywhere to have at least

9:32

your dad or your parents in your corner

9:34

to say, hey, we like

9:36

what you're doing and you do this.

9:38

You go with your heart.

9:40

So I think that's- It's a big deal, man. It is

9:42

a big deal. And it's, you know, I

9:44

taught a residency

9:47

at UTA this past fall, because I

9:49

had the time. And it's that thing,

9:51

you know, you and I both know,

9:58

you've got to create a network of support.

10:00

You have to have some positive reinforcement because

10:03

it is so difficult in

10:05

the business. Anyway, the rejection is always there, every

10:08

audition, even when you get the job, people are

10:10

going to review you for it or maybe the

10:12

movie doesn't do well, the television show gets canceled

10:14

or whatever. It's a

10:16

lifetime of that and not only do

10:19

you need a thick skin, but you

10:21

need people around you to sort

10:24

of lift you up because it can push

10:26

you down. And

10:28

it's important, especially if that starts with family

10:30

and close friends. Who are the actors that

10:33

you looked up to that you were like,

10:35

I want to be them, I want

10:37

to have their career, I want this is what I want. You

10:40

know, coming up in the, I'm a little

10:43

older than you, Michael. Not much. Coming up in the

10:45

early 70s, as a teenager, I mean, the films that

10:47

I watched

10:49

and snuck into R rated movies, it

10:51

was the De Niros and the Pacino's

10:54

and the Hoffman's and all of those

10:56

guys, along with the New York contention,

10:58

you know, John

11:01

Casale's, you know, the

11:03

Coppola's, of course, AC, a lot

11:05

of those films were really what

11:07

spoke to me because they were not

11:10

only, you know, character

11:12

studies, but they were done by character actors. And

11:14

I looked up and I knew from the beginning

11:17

that, you know, I was not going

11:19

to be destined to be Robert Redford and Paul

11:21

Newman or anybody like that. And

11:23

I looked at these swarthy, dark-haired, you

11:25

know, ethnic dudes and went, I could do

11:27

that, you know, I could do that. And

11:31

the sort of prerequisite is you work on your

11:33

acting, you know, because

11:35

you maybe not going to

11:37

skate on your looks. So

11:40

that's really what I aspired

11:42

to, was to be that kind

11:44

of an actor. And, you

11:46

know, even in high school, even in college, because I

11:48

was doing many, many different kinds of

11:50

roles, I always considered myself to

11:53

be a, you know, a character actor. And then,

11:55

you know, when I started getting leads in

11:58

Hollywood, you know, it was was that was

12:00

a bit heavy man I was I was you know sort

12:02

of overwhelming

12:05

because all I ever really want to do is to work,

12:07

you know to yeah be a

12:10

part of the industry. I'm surprised you didn't

12:12

whip out the you know when

12:14

I said you're your idols you whip out

12:16

Jack Nicholson because you and I were doing

12:18

kind of dueling Nicklesons at one of the

12:20

audience and only Nicklesons he was one of

12:23

my big touch stones you know in the

12:25

70's as well but I

12:27

was never going to be quite like

12:29

chair. Lou I'll tell you what even

12:31

though you you

12:33

might not have had the talent in your eyes,

12:36

but you always had the coolest fucking name didn't

12:38

you. I did me and you

12:40

know you got you got to have something I

12:42

want there was one thing I wanted to be

12:44

the longest up on the billboard. Lou

12:47

Diamond Phillips we can't fit your

12:49

God blessed name on the marquee.

12:53

I love it. You

12:55

know how old were you when you did La Bamba. What

13:00

do you remember the audition. Huge.

13:04

Huge it was it was I mean the thing is it

13:06

was it

13:09

was so random and was like me in

13:11

a bottle I got the call I was

13:13

doing I was paying my bills in doubt

13:15

in Arlington Dallas Fort Worth. I was doing

13:17

professional theater, I was doing you know a

13:20

lot of commercials and industrials the occasional cool

13:22

little spot like I you know I was a day player

13:24

on the Dallas series, you know. Just

13:28

which was way called I stayed

13:30

friends with like Linda Gray and

13:32

Patrick Duffy. It

13:36

was crazy. So

13:38

I get a call from the agents saying

13:41

okay, you got this audition

13:43

for musical about Frankie Valley.

13:47

You know, I mean thinking about the 4

13:49

seasons now we have Jersey boys but that

13:52

it didn't exist that I don't care

13:54

to do that you know I can

13:56

do that sure I get a perm

13:58

whatever. And so

14:01

I go down there and the funny thing is, and

14:03

I think this is why she thought it was a

14:05

musical, is that it was, the audition was actually held

14:07

in a legit theater in downtown Dallas, you

14:10

know? And so, went

14:13

down there. This was back in

14:15

the day when, you know, you got the sides when

14:17

you walked in the door. You didn't get them the

14:19

day before. I actually like that. Then everybody, it's

14:21

even playing field and you don't have to really do the

14:23

work. You just go in there and say, let's see what

14:26

I come up with. Exactly,

14:28

you know? And then it's the, yeah, your talents,

14:30

your instincts, all of that, you know? And

14:33

that's really what's at play. So I

14:35

get it, I get the sides and they

14:37

have, you know, a couple of scenes and

14:39

I'm reading these and I'm going, holy shit,

14:41

this is not a musical. And

14:44

then, you know, it's Junie Lowry and

14:46

Phyllis Parsons, the associate producer. They

14:48

explained it, it was Richie Valens. And

14:51

all I can think of is, why is

14:53

this Hollywood movie here in Dallas, Texas? I

14:55

don't get it. And then

14:57

after the fact, I find out that Danny

15:02

Valdez, the associate producer, who

15:05

played my uncle in it, who originally got

15:07

the rights when he wanted to play Richie

15:10

right after Zoot Suit, you

15:13

know, but then he aged out. You

15:15

know, it was his ideas, you know, go to Texas, go

15:17

to Dallas, go to San Antonio. Because they'd already looked in

15:19

LA, they'd looked in New York and Chicago. They

15:22

saw 600 people for the role. And

15:25

so at the end of the day, I got

15:27

put on tape by Junie Lowry for both

15:29

roles, for Richie and Bob. Did you

15:31

have to sing? No,

15:33

not in that audition, not in that one. So

15:37

she, at the end of the day, she said, I'm not

15:39

supposed to do this, but here's the full script. You'll

15:41

probably be hearing from us. I

15:45

read the whole thing and I'm blown

15:47

away. I cannot believe this opportunity. So

15:50

true to her word, about a week

15:52

later, they

15:55

get a call and they want to fly

15:57

me to California for a screen test, you

15:59

know. But it was a

16:01

much longer process. There

16:03

was almost a full week of continuing

16:05

to audition. I ended

16:07

up reading Bob with all of the other actors,

16:10

still reading for Richie. I read with a

16:13

bunch of the Donnas. And,

16:16

you know, I mean, obviously at the end of

16:18

the day, you know, I got the gig, which is funny,

16:20

but because my mentor, my guy at the

16:22

time speaking at Nicholson, Adam Rourke had

16:24

done five films with Jack Nicholson. They were

16:26

both contract players with the same

16:28

studio in the late fifties and early

16:30

sixties. They did a ton of biker movies together. And

16:34

Adam's this guy from Brooklyn. He

16:36

goes, Lou, there's not a snowball's chance in hell you're

16:38

going to get this role, but you go out there,

16:40

you kick their ass, and maybe you get to play

16:42

the drummer. You know? You know?

16:44

You know? You know what song I always

16:46

think of, though, when I think of that

16:48

movie? ♪ I had a

16:51

girl, Donna was her

16:53

name. ♪ Very nice. Very

16:55

nice, Michael. Thank God I didn't audition.

16:58

I might not be sitting here today. Can you still sing that

17:00

song? Oh yeah. Was

17:03

that a cue? No, no, no. You don't have

17:05

to, but you know, it's just, I was just

17:07

wondering. ♪ I had a girl, Donna

17:09

was her name. ♪ ♪

17:12

Since she left me, I've never

17:15

been the same. ♪ ♪

17:17

Cause I love my girl, Donna.

17:20

♪ ♪

17:23

Where can you be? Where

17:25

can you be? ♪ Oh

17:28

man, you still got it! Holy

17:31

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19:47

you got this? Okay,

19:52

so like I told you, we've been

19:54

auditioning all week long. They

19:59

finally brought. And one night

20:01

after I'd read Bob

20:03

to all these Ritchie's, one night, Luis Valdez says

20:05

to me, "'Lou, when you come

20:07

in tomorrow, "'you're going to read for Ritchie.'" I was like, oh,

20:10

okay. And I'd heard his direction for

20:12

like three or four days to all the other young

20:14

actors. So came

20:18

in, read Ritchie's with a bunch of

20:20

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20:22

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20:24

then this was like on

20:27

the Wednesday evening. So

20:29

Thursday now we're going to do a screen test.

20:33

So they lock

20:35

me into Ritchie. I go

20:38

Eastside, Rosana DeSoto, Danielle

20:40

von Zernick, and Elizabeth Pena

20:43

are all screen testing with no

20:46

competition. And now I'm

20:48

reading for Ritchie, and there's another guy that

20:50

I've never even seen before. He was a

20:52

soap actor at the time. So

20:55

he comes in and I think, okay, well, I'm

20:57

still in competition for somebody, right? And

21:00

as I'm standing outside, I used to smoke.

21:02

So I was standing outside the studio while

21:05

the other guy was doing his thing. Sitting

21:07

there, then this T-Bert pulls in, bright

21:10

red T-Bert, and out of

21:12

it gets this dude in a white tank

21:14

top and a black leather vest, pair

21:17

of Balarama Ray-Bans wrap around, you

21:19

know? And he whips them

21:21

off, he looks at me, and I thought, oh my God, that's

21:23

the real Bob Morales. And it was,

21:26

you know? So he shows up to

21:28

the screen test, and I'm like, geez, no

21:30

pressure now, right? So

21:34

that happened on Thursday, the next Friday morning,

21:36

they called me back in to continue to

21:38

be the reader. So now

21:40

I'm gonna read with a bunch more, you know,

21:44

Adonis, because Luis wasn't

21:46

really sold. Now, all

21:49

week long, everybody in the office had been so

21:51

nice to me. And this

21:53

Friday morning, nobody's talking to me. And

21:57

I'm thinking, oh man, I didn't get it,

21:59

I didn't. get it and everybody's too embarrassed

22:01

to, you know, to look me in

22:03

the eye now. And then

22:05

so lunch comes along and, you know,

22:09

Luis is a new I need to see you in my

22:11

office. And, you know,

22:13

I think, okay, you know, the drop in the boom,

22:15

this is it. This is the thank you, but you

22:17

know, so I go

22:19

in and Julie Lowery's there and Danny Valdez and

22:21

Taylor Hackford. And Luis sits

22:24

me down, pulls a chair over

22:26

close to me, you know, like he's my uncle or something. And

22:29

he goes, Lou, how'd

22:31

you like to play with G Dallas? You

22:33

know, so then they took me to lunch,

22:39

that took me straight to the airport, because I had to

22:41

go home and pack, you know,

22:43

for I packed for like, you know,

22:45

four days. And so I had

22:47

to go back to Texas and pack up for, you

22:50

know, six weeks shoot. So, you

22:52

know, it was, it was your life

22:54

changed your freakin changed my life, though,

22:56

the whole trajectory of my career. I

22:59

never ever feel

23:04

put upon when somebody wants to talk about

23:06

LaVomba, they want me to sign whatever, you

23:08

know, or they yell from across the street.

23:10

I will always

23:15

always be grateful for that film. Man,

23:19

I the first thing that comes to mind is

23:21

because I'm kind of a nostalgic guy is like,

23:23

your parents when they're sitting in that theater, and

23:26

they watch their son playing Richie Valens, do you

23:28

remember the their faces or

23:30

the way they responded? It's

23:33

funny, my parents were divorced at that point.

23:35

And my dad must have driven 20. He

23:37

was in Mexico, like way up in the

23:42

mountains, like to goose a gop or something he

23:44

had that he had to drive back down into

23:47

the city to get to a movie theater. But

23:49

he did it, you know, and he called me

23:51

a long distance and he was over the moon

23:53

about it. My mother, my mother's

23:55

hilarious, man. I mean, I don't know if

23:57

it's a Filipino thing or whatever. I can

23:59

win the Nobel Prize, my mom go. But

24:04

I think that's that's

24:06

the extent of the

24:08

praise. Are

24:15

your parents still with you. Oh, yeah,

24:17

yeah, I got a ball. How old are they? Uh,

24:21

they're they're in the early 80s. They were young. They were young,

24:23

you know, and when I was when I came along. Wow.

24:26

And let me get maybe I'm

24:28

wrong. But didn't you do stand and deliver before

24:30

that? No, or

24:32

no. Uh, it's I get

24:34

Eddie Eddie is kind of flipped the timeline

24:37

every once in a while. I did.

24:39

I did love on the, uh,

24:42

they, I got paid scale scale.

24:44

What was scale back then? Like

24:46

1100 a week. For

24:49

six weeks. Yeah. So

24:51

I made like $6,500 and I gave

24:54

half of that to my mother. Uh,

24:57

and yeah, uh, just like Richie would

24:59

have. Um, and so now I got,

25:01

you know, 3,500 bucks, 3,000 bucks left. Uh,

25:07

by December, I'm

25:09

out of money. I'm out

25:11

of money. I think I'm gonna have to go back to

25:13

Texas. I'm splitting rent with four people in LA, by the

25:15

way. Uh, and, and, and

25:17

the nick of time in the nick of

25:19

time, I booked a Miami

25:21

vice. Okay.

25:25

I make, I make in one week on my, cause

25:27

I'm a guest star. I make it one week on

25:29

Miami vice when I made the entire shoot for La

25:31

Mamba. You know? Um, and, and

25:33

the funny thing is that episode, which is called

25:35

red tape, uh, also

25:38

starred Viggo Mortensen as my

25:40

partner and a net

25:42

Benning as the girlfriend of the bad guy. Come

25:44

on. No, that's the truth.

25:46

Yeah. That's amazing how you,

25:48

you, you do this huge movie. It's

25:50

a blockbuster and you got

25:53

paid scale and now you're just trying

25:55

to pay rent and you land a

25:57

Miami vice thing and it keeps

25:59

you going. And so, but

26:01

here's the thing. I do one

26:03

scene with Eddie Olmos. Now, Eddie Olmos had done

26:05

Zootzoo with Luis and Danny Valdez. Right? So,

26:10

the reason I didn't get a gig until Miami Vice

26:12

was that I was an unknown kid

26:15

from Texas playing

26:17

an obscure Mexican-American rock and

26:19

roller in a negative pickup

26:21

from Colombia. It did

26:23

not have hit written all over it. Okay?

26:26

So, nobody was getting ready to give me another lead

26:28

role. And

26:32

so, now I get the Miami Vice, Eddie

26:35

knows what's what, you know,

26:37

that, oh, you're the kid who played Richie. Okay. And

26:41

we did one scene together, and Eddie says to

26:43

him, what are you doing next month? This was

26:45

January of 87, and Lebombers

26:47

doesn't come out until August. I

26:50

said, I'm not, you know, do anything. You want to

26:52

have lunch? And he writes down a

26:54

number, and then he goes, when you get back to L.A., call this number. And

26:58

it was Ramon Menendez, the director of Stand and

27:00

Deliver, and Eddie said, you know, do this

27:02

movie next month, you have to be in it with me. And

27:05

that's how I got Stand and Deliver. I

27:08

mean, if you don't do Miami Vice, you

27:10

don't, you don't do no Stand

27:12

and Deliver. And that's,

27:15

and see, that's just it, man. You know,

27:17

you can, we talk about, you know, trading for

27:19

the business, but right place at the right time,

27:21

you know, you have to have, you know, all

27:23

of the preparation in the world for when that,

27:25

you know, luck. You know,

27:27

intersects with all the work you've done. Yeah. And

27:29

how long after Lebomber, when that came out, did

27:31

Stan, well, how did that work? What timeline was

27:34

that? When did that come out? The

27:36

following year. So, Lebomber comes out in

27:38

87. Stand and Deliver was

27:41

actually an independent film, so it did not have

27:43

distribution. And you didn't get paid much on that

27:45

either. Scale. And

27:50

probably less than Lebomber because it was a faster ship. Wow.

27:54

Yeah. That is insane.

27:56

So, but you do back to back hugely

27:59

successful. successful movies. Now

28:02

it's got to be stand and deliver that

28:04

now you're on the map now they're seeing

28:06

you as someone not just

28:08

Richie Valens a one-trick pony. But

28:10

this guy's got it. Yes,

28:13

and that's when the offer started coming around.

28:16

I think the next film I did was an offer. And

28:20

and that was the funny thing is is

28:22

I didn't even see it coming. It

28:25

was young guys. Right. And

28:28

so I go into the meeting

28:30

at Fox. And John

28:32

Fusco the writer producer Chris King the director.

28:37

Joe Roth all ship the other producers.

28:41

Morgan Creek at the time and you

28:43

know we have a great meeting I read the

28:45

script is wonderful and fantastic they don't

28:48

send me any signs. So

28:50

I'm thinking of what am I going

28:52

to issue so I picked the big speech I

28:54

think I picked another scene and we talked like

28:56

20 minutes and there's a long conversation and I

29:01

said so I'm sorry they didn't tell

29:03

me what to prepare. But

29:06

you know I I have the speech for you if

29:08

you want and I've got a scene if

29:10

that's OK and they kind of kind

29:12

of look at me and Chris King looks down the

29:14

table with the other producers and whatnot. And

29:17

they're all green and he was for

29:20

the minigos of the parts

29:23

yours if you want it. Oh

29:27

OK yeah sure I mean.

29:34

And not scale this time. Not

29:37

scale this time not scale this

29:39

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29:42

not not bad for but there was always young

29:44

guns to. Exactly.

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29:50

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It was more

32:58

than cool man.

33:00

I mean it

33:02

was more than

33:04

cool. There

33:06

were no egos and it's I

33:08

guess if anybody had a right to have one it would

33:10

be Emilio because he'd had the most hits you

33:13

know you know kind of

33:15

founding member of the brat pack and all that. But no

33:17

man I mean everybody got along

33:19

like long-lost friends and we were

33:21

at summer camp I mean there

33:23

really was no pecking order and

33:27

and it just I don't know I

33:29

mean they you know they still do it

33:31

on some on some of the bigger films

33:33

but you know back in the day they

33:35

brought us out for like you know a

33:37

week-long cowboy camp you know of

33:39

writing and shooting and you know knife practice

33:41

and all this other stuff screen

33:44

tests and whatnot so we got to hang out a

33:46

lot and by the time we were shooting the funny

33:48

thing is we shot the trailer on the very first

33:50

day you know the

33:52

one where we're coming up or pulling off

33:54

the mask. Yeah that was our first day

33:56

of filming because Fox had already set a

33:59

June and

38:00

you know he beat it man. Yeah he

38:02

did and he's back and he's good he's

38:05

really good I saw him a few months ago

38:07

again at a con also

38:11

like six months ago Turner

38:13

Classic Movies has a film festival

38:16

in Hollywood and it was

38:18

the 35th anniversary of Standing Deliverer so Eddie and

38:20

I did a panel which

38:22

was fantastic you know so. He's such a

38:24

wonderful guy. No he's doing great plus we

38:26

had done another film together. We

38:29

did a fabulous film that

38:31

his son Michael co-directed with

38:34

Josef Delaria and it

38:37

really kind of gave the world Gina

38:39

Rodriguez who became Jane the

38:41

Virgin but this was like a breakout role

38:43

for her we went to Sundance with it

38:47

called Philly Brown and it's it's

38:49

it's really a fantastic little movie. I gotta

38:51

check that out for sure. Have there ever

38:53

been like tough times because you talk about

38:55

I mean all this success and everything and

38:57

like this podcast talks a lot about mental

39:00

health and like journeys and people hit ruts

39:02

and what do they do and depression and

39:04

I've dealt with a lot of depression and

39:06

anxiety and things that I've been working on.

39:08

Have you dealt with any of that? Have

39:10

you had like really hard

39:13

times where you have to you know

39:15

either get help or work

39:17

really work on yourself and how do you get out

39:19

of that rut? That's a great question brother because you

39:21

know I mean I tell young actors all the time

39:23

man you it ain't all

39:26

sunglasses and limos you know and sometimes

39:28

the phone doesn't ring and

39:30

you know having

39:33

to take a project because you have to you know

39:35

because you got kids and you got bills and you

39:37

got that sort of thing you know and

39:39

that can play on your on your mind as well. I mean

39:43

I have been eternally grateful to have been doing

39:45

this for 40 years and still

39:47

doing it you know but

39:50

there are those times when you wonder man am I

39:52

gonna am I gonna be you know one of the

39:54

casualties. I think you and I

39:56

both know people that didn't make it that you

39:58

know for one reason or another. other, you

40:01

know, got eaten up. And,

40:04

you know,

40:06

just life in general, you know, a couple of

40:08

divorces, that kind of thing. So yeah, I, you

40:11

know, I turned to therapy a time or two

40:13

just just to, to air some stuff

40:15

out to vent some stuff. I've

40:17

been fortunate in that in that I

40:19

think, you know, my demeanor and personality

40:22

for the most part, avoids

40:24

getting too black. But,

40:26

you know, there, there are those

40:28

insecurities, man, there are those worries,

40:32

those doubts, those fears, all of that

40:34

stuff, you know, and I'm

40:37

very grateful that today, we

40:39

are much more accepting of

40:42

the process of self help,

40:45

and, you know, the ability to reach

40:47

out and to, and to

40:49

not look at it as a weakness, but as

40:51

an improvement, you know, and,

40:54

and I think the

40:56

more that we can support that, the more

40:58

that we embrace that in our industry, the

41:01

healthier all of us are, and, you know,

41:03

yeah, it's a very good thing.

41:06

What is it like the one thing you think

41:08

helps you with your mental health that you try

41:10

to be consistent with? Um,

41:12

family, first of all, you

41:14

know, I mean, when, when I'm home,

41:16

I'm dead, you know, I cook, I do my

41:19

own grocery shopping, you know, way back when I

41:21

said, you know, and you said it earlier, you

41:23

know, my life is going to change, but I'm

41:25

not going to let it change me. And,

41:29

you know, I was fortunate in that, you know,

41:31

I was 24 years old when I got my

41:33

momma, so I wasn't a kid. And I had

41:35

a military father and a middle class, you know,

41:37

upbringing, you know, in a family with some, you

41:39

know, manners and some values. And so I brought

41:41

that. And, you

41:43

know, as you know, Hollywood can be

41:45

very, very, what's

41:48

the word I'm looking for? I mean, hypnotic or,

41:50

you know, it can charm

41:52

you and charm you into into placing

41:55

value on the wrong things. Yes. But

41:58

especially when you know, I had kids. then

42:01

it became like, okay, I have

42:03

responsibilities, I have priorities, I have

42:06

to take care of myself

42:08

to take care of them. And that

42:10

helps you to rationalize the choices that

42:16

you have to make. You may not always like them, but

42:18

you gotta do it. And

42:21

so that kind of became my

42:23

North Star. So

42:25

between that and my literal

42:28

love of the work, that

42:33

saw me through some times, because if

42:36

there are some films you'd take

42:40

and you go, okay, this is one

42:42

of those. You know? Yeah, oh

42:44

yeah, I've taken those. Yeah, and

42:47

then the immediate reminder has to

42:49

be, all right, hold on, hold

42:52

on, it would be so damn precious, you're

42:54

getting paid to act. And

42:56

I go back to the beginning and go, that's

42:58

all you've ever wanted to do. And

43:01

so I'm not gonna win an Oscar

43:03

for this one. I'm not gonna be

43:05

on the cover of some magazine because

43:07

of this one or whatever, but bottom

43:09

line, I'm getting paid to act. And

43:12

that is a dream come true. And so

43:14

to remind yourself of that was

43:17

always a good thing for me. That's humbling, it really

43:19

is. You ever work with

43:21

any assholes? Yeah, but I

43:24

mean, it's- How

43:26

do you deal with assholes? Everybody, like

43:29

Dina Afrio was on the podcast, Vincent.

43:32

He talks about, he's like, well,

43:34

I'll take them aside and

43:36

I'll tell them, look, what

43:38

are you doing? This isn't

43:40

professional, we need to- Nice.

43:44

You need to correct your behavior, I don't wanna have to.

43:47

And he'll kind of size them up a little bit. But

43:49

have you ever had to deal with that where you're like,

43:51

hey buddy, you can't do that? Not

43:53

to that extent. And I mean, the

43:55

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doing all these things? 100% man

48:02

because that's what I did in high school is what I did in college.

48:05

You know, I just have a

48:07

bigger stage now which is wonderful but I

48:09

was writing plays in high school. I produced

48:11

plays in college professionally. I literally went door

48:14

to door to businesses selling ads

48:16

in my program to raise the money

48:18

to you know to mount

48:21

productions. You know, I

48:23

was directing you know in college. My

48:25

first professional gig was a comedy shoot

48:27

called The Zero Hour which

48:29

a bunch of alumni

48:31

from UTA asked

48:34

me to join them after my first audition for

48:36

Dracula on the main

48:38

stage there. That was my freshman

48:41

play and you know so

48:43

it became this ensemble of people who

48:45

wrote stuff and you know created things

48:47

and I'm an artist as

48:49

well so I was I was you know doing a

48:51

lot of the making a lot of the props and doing

48:53

that kind of thing. My wife is a much better artist

48:55

than I am which is why she illustrated our novel

48:57

together The Tinder Box. I

49:01

did it all and I had passion for it all and

49:04

I continue to do it

49:06

now and it's never out of board but

49:08

it is out of certain you know I

49:13

don't know character work that I

49:15

can't not do nothing. I

49:17

you know I can't do nothing. I can't sit around and do

49:19

nothing. I work

49:22

ethic that you say you know you should be doing something

49:24

man you know so I've learned

49:27

to relax a little bit more but

49:30

you know at the same time and while

49:32

I've often said it I

49:34

work harder when I'm not working than when

49:37

I am because when I'm working

49:39

I focus on one thing you know that's what I'm

49:41

doing. I eat what's in front of me but

49:44

when I'm not a psycho I should be writing this or

49:46

you know I literally have a couple

49:48

of different irons in the fire directorially

49:52

writing wise you know that sort of

49:54

thing. There's a sequel already completed to

49:57

The Tinder Box Soldier Indira called The Tinder

49:59

Box. the tender box underground movement now becoming

50:01

out you know later this year. My wife

50:03

is doing the illustrations for that as well.

50:06

And that was the beauty of that project is it's

50:08

was something we can do together. But

50:10

even some of the other things that I'm

50:13

developing whether you know I've got a mini

50:15

series idea going on a couple of films

50:17

that I'm attached to. Even is is intrinsic

50:20

to those as well we have a production

50:22

company together so you know we'll hopefully

50:24

we'll get one of those off the ground and

50:26

we'll see more from our collaboration. You know I

50:28

love that you know I always found that so

50:32

there was this quote it's a simple quote

50:34

but it just said it

50:36

just wait on you it's just so true it

50:38

says you're not bored. Your

50:41

are no you're not tired. You're

50:43

just bored. Wow so a lot

50:45

you know and it made sense because I'm like him

50:48

at home, I'm not doing a lot of my like

50:50

I'm tired is you're not tired you're not. There's

50:53

nothing around you to get you motivated like

50:55

you know you won't be as tired once

50:57

you have something going and so yeah that's

50:59

when you get yourself going and it's so

51:02

true. I have to mention Longmire

51:05

yeah because people love that I've had Katie

51:07

sack off on here and I adore

51:11

we all adore her and she's got a lot of gas. I'm

51:13

sure she's going to ask you but again

51:15

is this a show that you would revisit.

51:17

Oh, I said as I

51:19

absolutely I mean you know it's that

51:22

character especially I mean he's

51:24

certainly in the handful of what I

51:26

consider to be you know iconic landmarks

51:29

of my career. You

51:31

know, I mean 6 years is is

51:34

a successful show us. There

51:36

are tons of fans of the books. And

51:39

he was you

51:41

know he was very

51:43

different very you know very unique

51:46

to you know some of the other characters that I played and

51:50

you know when we finished it. We

51:52

all had hopes that they would revisit it because

51:54

it was not listening to the same. You

51:57

know and other

51:59

actors and this before too where you know or

52:02

other projects where the series finishes and

52:04

then they go back and they do

52:06

standalone movies. So we had always hoped

52:09

that they would you know come back and you know let

52:11

us do a Longmire mystery

52:13

or two based specifically on the

52:15

books because the series

52:17

you know it drew

52:19

from the books it was inspired from the books but

52:21

it never replicated any one of the plots and

52:24

so I mean what Craig has what

52:26

16 novels now it's like there's there's

52:29

no shortage of a great thriller mysteries

52:31

uh if you were just to film

52:33

those books. So I know I know

52:35

that we would all you know be be interested in and

52:37

revisiting it. Oh yeah I feel like all the actors would

52:39

want to do that and the audience would want it you

52:41

had a great uh you know uh you

52:44

know viewership was great and obviously it lasted

52:46

many years so yeah I hope to see

52:48

that coming. All right this is called Shit

52:51

Talking with Lou Diamond Phillips. I

52:54

mean now some of these questions are from my

52:56

patrons patreon.com/inside if you want to ask questions. I'm

52:59

gonna ask them it can be rapid fire

53:01

or you could if you need to take

53:03

time whatever Nikki L what surprised you the

53:06

most about Richie Valens while preparing for him

53:08

for the role? That he was 17 I

53:11

didn't know that I had no

53:13

idea he passed so so young crazy his

53:15

career was only eight months long. Wow

53:18

how long did you have to learn all those

53:20

songs how much time? One week one

53:24

week. How many songs? I was uh 16 with like a

53:29

dozen different versions. How do you do that? I could

53:31

barely learn a song for in a week. Bro

53:33

I was scared to death. I

53:36

was scared shitless every single day uh

53:39

and I didn't play guitar so part of my day

53:41

there was a couple of hours learning the notes by

53:43

wrote with a wonderful guy named Jim Fox. So

53:46

and they'd already recorded all the songs uh

53:49

I didn't that's not my voice in the film

53:51

it's David Adalgo from Los Lobos. I

53:53

had to learn all the lip sync and I had

53:55

to learn all the guitar sync and I had a

53:57

week to do it. Or there's some and

1:00:00

then they just kind of hit some stuff.

1:00:02

And, you know, it's kind of the typical

1:00:04

things. You know, it's Tom Waits, you

1:00:07

know, a

1:00:10

lot of the singer songwriters, a lot of Jackson Brown, of

1:00:13

course, he's still in Ash, you know, the

1:00:17

Counting Pro's, you know, a lot

1:00:19

of, there's a lot of nostalgia there. What

1:00:22

was that song by Tom Waits? I

1:00:25

was feeling so lonely. Old

1:00:28

55. Yes. How does that

1:00:30

go? How's the chorus? Oh,

1:00:34

gosh. Like a truck drive. Now

1:00:37

the sun's coming up. I'm

1:00:41

rolling in with the rain

1:00:44

and the greenways, cars and

1:00:46

trucks. Stars begin

1:00:48

into faith. That's a great

1:00:50

song. Yeah.

1:00:53

Tasha S. Did you ever

1:00:55

keep anything from your movies? And if so, what

1:00:58

was your favorite? I

1:01:00

was literally talking about this with the

1:01:02

CEO of the Academy. I

1:01:04

still have the green La Bamba guitar

1:01:07

from that first audition from the Silhouettes.

1:01:09

I have that. I will be donating

1:01:11

that to the Academy Museum at some

1:01:13

point. Holy shit. Yeah.

1:01:16

Love that one. Wow. Well, dude, this has been

1:01:18

epic. I've been trying to get you on for

1:01:20

a long time and I'm so glad you took

1:01:22

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