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January 28, 2021, 84-year-old Visha Ratanapakti is getting

0:42

ready to go out for a walk. He's

0:50

during COVID, so he puts on

0:52

not only a baseball cap, but

0:54

also a COVID mask for his

0:56

morning walk in the Anza Vista

0:58

neighborhood of San Francisco. He's

1:01

a small, frail, and nearly

1:04

blind immigrant from Thailand. At

1:06

around 8.30 AM, as he

1:09

is walking, Visha appears to

1:11

notice something and changes course, turning

1:14

right where he would normally go straight.

1:17

At that moment, Antoine

1:19

Watson, a 19-year-old African

1:21

American man, runs

1:23

across the street towards Visha at

1:25

full speed. Watson

1:28

plows into the old man, pushing

1:30

him down with incredible force.

1:34

Visha's hat flies off as his

1:36

head hits the ground. His

1:39

body slides across the pavement.

1:42

Watson appears to celebrate, then

1:45

goes to his car parked nearby

1:47

and grabs his cell phone. He

1:50

returns and takes pictures

1:52

as his victim lies

1:54

there still and bleeding.

1:58

Watson then goes back to his car. where

2:00

his 20-year-old girlfriend is waiting

2:03

and disappears. Witnesses

2:05

call for help, and

2:07

Visha is brought to the hospital where

2:09

they attempt to treat him for brain

2:11

hemorrhage. He

2:14

never regains consciousness and

2:16

dies in his sleep at the hospital two

2:18

days later. This

2:20

is Invisible Hate. Welcome

2:28

back to Invisible Hate, a weekly true

2:31

crime podcast in which Sadia and I

2:33

attempt to uncover the ugly truth behind

2:35

various hate crimes, both recent and historical.

2:38

Yes, that's right. I said many

2:41

of the cases that we discuss

2:43

involve crimes committed against minority groups.

2:45

Our goal is to determine through

2:48

a discussion of the nuances and

2:50

complexities of these unfortunate situations whether

2:52

or not these transgressions can be

2:54

considered hate crimes. As

2:57

will soon become very clear, today's

2:59

case appears to fit many of

3:01

the criteria for a hate crime.

3:03

But as we always say, let's

3:05

not get ahead of ourselves. For

3:07

now, let's just start with simple

3:09

details of the case. So,

3:16

Asad, can you take us to the day of the

3:18

crime? Yeah, let's start

3:20

with the victim first. Visha

3:23

Ratanapakthi grew up on a

3:25

farm in southern Thailand, one

3:28

of eight children. He

3:30

works as an auditor there for

3:32

a prominent financial institution. Visha

3:35

first arrives in the US in

3:37

the year 2000 to spend the

3:39

year with his daughter while she

3:41

attends business school. After

3:44

coming back for a while to

3:46

Thailand, he returns to the US

3:48

with his wife in 2018 to

3:51

help take care of their two

3:53

grandsons. They move in with their

3:55

daughter and son-in-law in Ansa Vista,

3:57

which is just outside of San

3:59

Francisco. go. He

4:02

is a passive and gentle

4:05

Buddhist, a loving husband, father

4:07

and grandfather. He's also quite

4:09

slight, Sadhia, standing at five foot

4:11

six inches and just 113 pounds.

4:13

Also just to note, nine months

4:19

prior to the crime, Visha

4:21

had heart surgery, but the

4:23

doctor tells him to keep

4:25

active after the surgery and

4:27

that's actually something that Visha

4:30

is happy to do, especially

4:32

when the pandemic began. He

4:35

becomes known in the

4:37

community for his hour-long

4:39

walks, which are normally

4:41

safe. Wow, Asad,

4:43

now imagine this 84-year-old

4:45

man who had heart

4:47

surgery. He's active, he goes

4:49

out. I'm sure he's worried

4:51

about COVID, right? But he's

4:53

wearing his mask, he's taking all the

4:56

precautions, and then this

4:58

tragic, tragic incident happens to him.

5:01

Can you tell us a little bit about the

5:03

perpetrator, Antoine Watson? Yeah, so

5:05

the night before the

5:07

attack, Antoine Watson has

5:09

had a very atypical

5:11

night and morning. The

5:14

evening before, he and his girlfriend

5:16

leave his parents' home in Daly

5:18

City near South San Francisco after

5:21

a family dispute. At about 2

5:23

a.m., he is pulled over by

5:25

police for running a stop sign,

5:28

speeding, and reckless driving, which

5:30

results in a minor collision.

5:34

Evidently, the officers point their

5:36

guns at him and handcuff

5:38

him during this arrest. As

5:41

a young black man, obviously this is

5:44

understandably terrifying as any man, but specifically

5:46

as a black man, we all know

5:48

what could happen. I

5:50

read that there's actually footage, perhaps

5:53

from a body camera, of Watson

5:55

repeatedly banging on a car and

5:57

yelling, clearly he's in distress. The

6:00

police detain him and then

6:03

issue a citation and he

6:05

ends up sleeping in his car that

6:07

night. It's the next

6:09

morning that Watson sees Visha

6:12

out on his morning

6:14

walk, his typical morning walk.

6:17

In clear and disturbing footage that

6:19

is captured on a neighbor's security

6:21

camera, you see Visha's out for

6:23

a walk and then

6:25

looks at something across the street

6:28

and then makes a turn. He

6:30

definitely sees that Watson is approaching.

6:33

Watson is overheard saying something

6:35

like, why are you looking

6:37

at me as he kind

6:39

of charges over towards Visha and

6:42

not slowing down at all.

6:44

He runs directly into Visha,

6:46

sending him flying onto the

6:49

driveway. Really, just like all

6:51

I can picture, Sadia, is like something

6:53

from the NFL. They have

6:56

all those pads and they're built

6:58

for this, but then you think

7:00

about it's an 84-year-old man that

7:02

this happened. Without any

7:04

padding, without any, so violent. It

7:08

is definitely so violent, I said. I

7:11

can't even imagine what this 84-year-old man

7:13

must be thinking at that time. Then

7:15

get this, Adia Watson immediately turns around

7:17

and heads back in the direction he

7:20

came from, pumping his fists

7:22

as if he's victorious. He's

7:24

done something that he should be proud

7:26

of and the crowd is shirring. That's

7:29

what he's doing. Then Sadia, we

7:31

alluded to this in the opening,

7:34

there's actually additional footage that's not

7:36

publicly available that shows Watson apparently

7:38

returning to take photos of Visha

7:41

on his phone. I

7:43

said, you know what? The details about

7:46

him, that is Watson celebrating and then

7:48

going back to take pictures are really

7:50

so sick. But at the same

7:52

time, I keep thinking, now this

7:54

kid was in distress, right? So

7:57

he was detained and I wonder

7:59

if he's still there. if we

8:01

should looking at him and changing

8:03

course triggered something in

8:05

him. I was

8:07

thinking about this. Like maybe he thought

8:09

that we just saw him as a

8:12

threat and that made him angrier, who

8:14

knows, right? Who knows what he was

8:16

thinking at the time. Yeah, no, I

8:18

mean, it's truly shocking. The other thing,

8:20

sadly, is, you know, nothing is stolen

8:22

from the victim. And

8:25

so, yeah, really was just kind of this

8:27

random act of violence. Right.

8:29

And Watson then returns to his

8:31

BMW parked across the street and

8:33

flees with his girlfriend. Meanwhile,

8:35

witnesses see Visha and try to

8:38

help. He's still alive and

8:40

struggling to get up. And luckily, you

8:42

know, he's taken to a nearby hospital

8:45

pretty quickly. But with

8:47

no idea on him, police

8:49

have trouble identifying who he

8:51

is. His daughter begins

8:53

to worry when her father still

8:56

hasn't returned home. She

8:58

notices that his tablet is gone

9:00

and so she calls it only

9:02

to have the police answer and

9:04

tell her that he has been

9:06

seriously assaulted. Visha's family arrives

9:08

at the hospital to find him

9:11

gravely injured, unconscious and

9:13

bleeding in his brain. They

9:16

are told that even if he wakes, he's

9:18

virtually brain dead. Two

9:21

days later, Sadia, he dies because

9:23

of his injuries. I

9:27

said, I can't even bring myself to comment on this, right?

9:29

I'm trying to process all this information. And

9:31

it's just so sad and tragic that two families are destroyed

9:33

in this moment. Obviously,

9:38

Visha's family, because he's dead, right? The

9:40

time that his daughter, his grandsons could

9:42

have spent with him is lost. And

9:47

on the other hand, this 19 year old

9:49

kid has done something so

9:52

horrific and this will stay

9:55

with him for the rest of his life. Now, whether it's

9:57

a child or a child, like

14:00

the police or someone should have worn

14:02

the family that, hey, this video existed

14:04

and given them a chance to watch

14:06

it, you know, before it publicly aired.

14:08

I do think that, you know, things like this

14:11

are in the interest of the

14:13

public. But yeah, I mean, nowadays, yeah,

14:15

news, it's like any other form of

14:18

entertainment or journalism, you got to get the clicks and

14:20

you got to get the views in order to make

14:22

the money. And, you know, this is

14:25

a pretty salacious piece of video that

14:27

will get people to watch. Unfortunately, right.

14:29

Yeah. And I wonder if this particular

14:31

video gets this particular crime,

14:34

a lot of press, or is it

14:36

just, you know, one elderly minority dying

14:38

and nobody really cares? Yeah, right. Yeah,

14:40

that's true. You know, sadly, I worked

14:42

in broadcast journalism for a little while,

14:44

a station in Boston

14:46

that actually was the one that

14:49

popularized this, this approach to broadcast

14:51

news, which is, which is called

14:53

if it bleeds, it leads basically,

14:55

I want to say in the nineties, early

14:57

two thousands, a lot of the local coverage

15:00

ended up being this crime stories

15:02

first, because people were more apt to tune

15:04

in to these kind of things.

15:06

Like otherwise, you know, people don't really care

15:08

generally about like what's happening at the state

15:11

house, but they will tune in if they

15:13

see a car crash or a murder

15:16

investigation or things like that. And so

15:18

yeah, the station that I worked at,

15:20

which is a very big station in

15:22

the Boston area was the one that

15:25

popularized this approach. And then it got

15:27

mimicked across the country, which is, which

15:29

is interesting to me. Oh, wow. So

15:31

yeah, so sadly to that point, this

15:33

crime gets widespread, not only local, but

15:35

nationally, international coverage, thanks to both the

15:38

footage and to the Bay Area community.

15:40

And before we get into it, I just want to

15:43

talk a little bit about the political climate. Remember, it's

15:45

early 2021. So right at

15:47

the end of President Trump's

15:49

presidency, and it's about eight

15:52

months after George Floyd's death,

15:54

and people start comparing the

15:56

injustice of these two cases

15:58

and And also

16:01

you'll remember that there's been

16:03

a clear pattern of targeted

16:05

hate against Asian Americans nationwide

16:07

for not entirely clear reasons.

16:10

You know, we've talked about, you know, one

16:12

incident, the Atlanta spa shootings that occur two

16:14

months after this. And we have a podcast

16:16

on that if you want to listen to

16:19

it. But obviously, Saudi, I

16:21

think if people remember much of the

16:23

rise in hate can be attributed to

16:26

Trump and his blaming of

16:28

China for COVID during this time. Take

16:30

a listen to this clip from CNN.

16:32

The then president's words. China

16:35

virus comes low. Have

16:37

lasting impacts, as Professor Russell Jung, who

16:39

tracked those 2800 hate incidents through

16:42

stop AAPI hate because no

16:44

governmental agency would. Mainstream society

16:47

doesn't believe that we face

16:49

racism and we need to

16:51

document what's happening. You

16:53

know, sadly, there aren't a lot

16:56

of post COVID crime studies, but

16:58

one study from Pew from

17:00

June 2020 finds that a third

17:03

of Asian Americans reported being the

17:05

target of racist slurs or jokes

17:07

since the start of the pandemic

17:09

and 26 percent

17:11

feared a physical assault.

17:15

California has the highest Asian

17:17

American and Pacific Islander population in the United

17:19

States at 17 percent in 2021. I

17:23

guess I didn't realize this, but California is

17:25

a majority minority state. I don't know if

17:27

you knew that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The white

17:29

community makes up about 35 or 40 percent

17:31

of the population. The

17:34

rest is mixes of other cultures.

17:36

But I thought that was interesting

17:38

anyway. So, you know, back in

17:40

the Bay Area, they've experienced this

17:43

wave of kind of Asian-American violence.

17:45

The Alameda County District Attorney says,

17:47

and I quote, the rapid increasing

17:50

criminal acts targeted against members of

17:52

the Asian community, particularly Chinese-Americans who

17:54

live and work in the county

17:56

is intolerable. And to quote oddly.

17:59

there are a lot of these

18:01

kind of shoving attacks on elderly

18:03

Asian people similar to what happened

18:06

to Visha, which is just so

18:08

baffling to me. It gets so

18:10

bad that volunteers there start offering

18:12

escorts for elderly Asian residents, as

18:15

well as help communicating with law

18:17

enforcement. But sadly, you know, the

18:19

abuse isn't just against the elderly. Visha's daughter

18:21

in 2020

18:24

is twice told to leave the country

18:26

and is spat at and swung at.

18:29

One month after Visha's death, the state of

18:31

California actually funded a $1.4 million project to

18:33

track and research racist

18:37

incidents against Asian Americans. The

18:40

vast majority of hate crimes are

18:42

in fact committed by white perpetrators,

18:44

but there is some data showing

18:46

that hate crimes against Asian Americans

18:48

specifically are more likely to be

18:50

committed by non white offenders. The

18:53

attention this case receives also unfortunately

18:55

spurs anti black racism and the

18:58

profiling of black men in the

19:00

Bay Area because remember that Watson

19:02

is black. Similarly,

19:04

an anti Asian hate crime task force

19:07

formed in New York City instills panic

19:09

in the black community there. So

19:12

what do you think about that,

19:14

Sadhia? If highlighting hate crimes also

19:16

perpetuates prejudice, what's the answer? I

19:19

said you're absolutely right. I mean,

19:21

this is a complicated situation. On

19:23

the one hand, we saw a

19:25

lot of uptick in anti Asian

19:28

racism crimes against the Asian community.

19:30

But at the same time, the

19:32

perpetrator in this case is

19:34

a black person. And the

19:37

fear of profiling and

19:39

targeting of black people is

19:42

real. So I honestly don't

19:44

know what the answer is.

19:46

And to be honest, you

19:48

know this, there are times

19:50

when I'm almost scared and

19:52

reluctant to cover hate crime

19:54

cases in which the perpetrator

19:56

and the victim are both

19:58

from non white communities for

20:01

this exact reason. reason, because

20:03

I fear that we may

20:05

be perpetuating hate or perpetuating

20:07

stereotypes against already racialized

20:10

targeted minorities. But

20:13

at the same time, this happens, right?

20:15

And then the question becomes if

20:18

this perpetrator were white, it would

20:20

be one perpetrator and one crime.

20:22

But now in this case, since

20:25

the perpetrator was black, the target

20:27

becomes the entire community. Yeah, right,

20:30

right. For sure. And that's where

20:32

I am always hesitant to

20:36

give my opinion or see

20:38

how these prejudices play out. Yeah,

20:40

totally get that. But the community

20:42

did come together. Yeah, that's a

20:44

great question. And yes, they did.

20:46

The Bay Area Asian American community

20:48

and their allies came together. It

20:50

started with the district attorney, a

20:53

person that you might know of

20:55

by the name of Chesa Boudin.

20:57

He acknowledges the audacity of Visha's

20:59

death but does not pursue hate

21:01

crime charges. Though he calls the

21:03

crime senseless and horrific. He also

21:05

uses a poor choice of words

21:07

to describe Watson's behavior that morning

21:10

and the evening before as

21:12

some sort of temper tantrum. And

21:15

so there's a huge backlash in

21:17

the area. Visha's family who had

21:19

voted for Boudin feel like he's

21:22

minimizing the crime and that his

21:24

campaign promises were empty. When

21:27

Visha's son-in-law directly asks Boudin if

21:29

this can be characterized as a

21:31

hate crime, Boudin says he can't

21:33

talk about it. Boudin says, and

21:35

I quote, although our system is

21:38

pretty effective at processing cases and

21:40

punishing, we're not effective at providing

21:43

the kinds of answers to families

21:45

in pain need to feel a

21:47

sense of closure or to

21:49

be able to move on with their lives after

21:51

suffering and often unthinkable harm. Yeah,

21:53

I think that's exactly right for sure.

21:56

Because of the DA, widespread supporters

21:58

of Visha plan rallies. notes

24:00

that Watson used an open handed push

24:02

as opposed to, I guess, like a

24:04

punch or use of an actual weapon.

24:07

He reminds the court that Watson is a

24:09

teenager and says that he

24:12

just experienced a breakdown. You know,

24:14

the night before the DA soon

24:16

drops the accessory charges against his

24:18

girlfriend and releases her. No

24:21

evidence is found that she aided

24:23

in the crime and the BMW

24:25

she's waiting in his park so

24:27

that she is seated facing in

24:29

the opposite direction when

24:31

the attack occurs. As

24:33

far as I know, Watson is

24:35

the driver, not his girlfriend. Watson

24:39

is then assigned a public defender

24:41

who feels that the blame is

24:43

misplaced because of the national political

24:45

climate. A preliminary hearing

24:47

was scheduled for June of 2022,

24:50

where Watson pleads not

24:53

guilty. Here is a

24:55

clip from ABC News. A 21-year-old Daily

24:57

City man was in court today charged

24:59

with killing an elderly immigrant from Thailand

25:01

with one brutal shove to

25:04

the ground that you probably saw on videotape.

25:06

It's a story that made national news when

25:08

it first happened. As they crowded into court

25:10

for the preliminary hearing, the family had seen

25:13

that video many times. Still, there

25:15

were audible gasps and tears when the

25:17

prosecutor played it as evidence. And

25:20

as the first witnesses to arrive at the

25:22

crime scene described, we're just still alive, struggling

25:24

to get up. One

25:27

of the main purposes of the preliminary

25:29

hearing is to determine whether the crime

25:31

meets the standard of, quote, implied malice

25:34

required for a murder charge. The judge

25:36

decided that it does, which means that

25:38

if he is convicted, Watson would face

25:40

25 years to life. The

25:43

DA at this point has already stated

25:45

that there won't be a hate crime

25:47

charge, which would not extend

25:50

a sentence significantly in California just

25:52

about three years, but would, of

25:54

course, send a very important message.

25:56

And despite all the protests from the

25:59

family and supporters, the hate

26:01

crime charges never materialize.

26:04

As for motive, Watson's attorney claims

26:06

mental stress and trauma

26:08

from Watson's prior encounter with the

26:11

police. She also says

26:13

that Watson wasn't able to identify

26:15

Visha's race or age because of

26:17

the hat and mask he had

26:19

on. Remember, it was COVID. His

26:22

attorney acknowledges his outburst of rage,

26:24

but says he did not intend

26:26

to kill Visha. I

26:29

said what happens at the trial then? Yeah,

26:31

so sadly, Saadi, here we are

26:33

like three years after the crime

26:35

and the trial is still pending.

26:37

There's been a huge backlog of

26:39

trials because of the pandemic and

26:41

also both sides have delayed asking

26:43

for more time for the investigation

26:45

while also blaming opposing counsel for

26:47

the holdup. The DA's office

26:50

says that the ball is in the defense's

26:52

court. Visha's daughter thinks the

26:54

defense is being strategic, hoping witnesses'

26:56

memories will fade if they prolong

26:59

this longer and longer. The defense

27:01

expects the file of motion to

27:03

dismiss all the charges which will

27:05

presumably be rejected. There

27:07

was a plan to reconvene in February of

27:09

2024, just a couple months

27:12

ago to set a trial date, but

27:14

that has come and gone. Meanwhile, Watson

27:16

has remained in custody this whole time.

27:18

This is pretty messed up, I said.

27:21

I don't know what to say

27:23

here because it's been three years.

27:25

I agree with Visha's daughter that

27:27

witnesses may just forget the actual

27:29

facts about the crime and that

27:32

is so crucial to the trial,

27:34

right? I get the backlog thing,

27:36

but then think about the victims

27:38

and their families and even perpetrator,

27:41

right? A trial is being dragged

27:43

on and we don't know how long this will go

27:46

and when the trial will even

27:48

start. So, Asad,

27:50

I think this is a good place

27:53

to deliberate on whether or not this

27:55

was or this is a hate crime.

27:57

What do you think? Yeah, so, Sadhia,

27:59

I think this is a tough one

28:01

for me. I think that my gut

28:04

tells me that it was motivated by

28:06

hate. I think the fact that Vishya

28:08

was wearing a hat and mask, maybe

28:11

that covered up his identity. I don't know.

28:13

I think it's really tough. What do you

28:15

think? I think it's

28:18

tough to us, because as you said,

28:20

Vishya was wearing a mask. He had

28:22

a hat, so that probably covered his

28:24

identity. And something that I said in

28:27

the beginning is what I'm going to

28:29

go back to. You know, Watson saying,

28:31

why are you looking at me? That

28:34

could have been a trigger because he

28:36

was already detained. He probably was distressed.

28:38

He was angry for being

28:40

who he was, right? He probably thought

28:43

that he was being racially profiled by

28:45

Vishya, but at the end of the

28:47

day, it was a horrific

28:49

outburst of rage. And there

28:52

needs to be some consequences,

28:54

whether it's a hate crime

28:56

or not, maybe not, but

28:59

a murder. Yes. Yeah,

29:01

I think that's exactly right. I mean, the more

29:03

likely scenario is that he was targeting someone who

29:06

was frail, that he knew that he could very

29:09

easily knock over assault, all

29:11

those kinds of things and get away

29:13

with, right? And so he saw Vishya

29:15

on the street and an old man

29:17

walking, you know, presumably slower than a

29:20

younger person would. And so for me, it's more

29:23

of an age-related crime, perhaps,

29:25

than a race-related

29:27

one, to your point as

29:29

well. Like I think it's still serious

29:32

and I think he should be held

29:34

accountable for sure. I think going back

29:36

to your other point, I still, I

29:38

don't understand why the trial is still

29:40

going on. There's so much evidence, video

29:42

evidence of him committing the attack, right?

29:44

And so I don't understand that, right?

29:46

But for me, like he should be

29:48

in jail and should be held accountable

29:50

for what he has done. Yeah, Anasit,

29:52

we've talked about this so many times

29:54

on our podcast, right? Yes, people do

29:56

horrific things when they are angry and

29:58

they're outraged. Something triggers this violent behavior

30:01

in them. So what does rehabilitation look

30:03

like? Right. Putting them in jail. Yes,

30:05

that is the solution that a lot

30:07

of times suffices for a lot of

30:09

people. But I think it worsens situations,

30:12

not just for the perpetrator,

30:14

but how communities are

30:16

perceived and how, you know, crimes

30:19

and violence occurs in the society.

30:21

There is so much anger towards

30:23

each other. And I wish and

30:25

I hope there is something more

30:28

than just putting people in

30:30

jails after the fact. Agreed. Yet I'm

30:32

hoping that he gets some support. He

30:34

was only 19 when this

30:37

happened. That's so young and his brain is

30:39

still developing. And he's still, you know, I'm

30:41

sure that if he hasn't already at some

30:43

point soon, he's going to realize just what

30:46

he did and how horrific it was. And

30:48

I'm hoping that this won't define him and

30:50

the rest of his life and that he's

30:52

able to learn from this and be a

30:55

productive member of society, as we've seen with

30:57

so many other people, you know, in the

30:59

cases that we've talked about. But, yeah, two

31:02

lives ruined more than two lives ruined, but,

31:04

you know, two directly because of this. Absolutely.

31:07

So this was a sad story and

31:09

especially when we see an uptick in

31:12

hate crimes. It's just so, so sad.

31:14

But anyways, we would love to hear what

31:17

our listeners think. And if they have any

31:19

thoughts on this or any other case, thanks

31:22

again for listening to Invisible Hate. If

31:24

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