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All Zone media.
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Hello everybody, and welcome
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to it could happen here. My
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name is Sharene, and a
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lot has happened recently and
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we definitely need to talk about it. There's
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a lot to cover and
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things are changing every day. I
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can't possibly talk about everything in a thirty
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minute podcast episode, but
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just for context, I'm recording the bulk of
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this on Wednesday, October eleventh.
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There are many different things that we should get
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into, and we'll probably get into them in other episodes,
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so look forward to those. But
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today I want to talk about why
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exactly this attack from
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Hamas is so different and
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so unprecedented for
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many reasons, and why the response
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by Israel is also extremely
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unprecedented. There
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has been a lot of a lot
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of death, and I thought a better
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way to start to learn about this
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might be with something really specific, like
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learning about the border fence that
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has been cajing in Gaza for years,
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why Israel thought it was so impermeable,
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and how they were wrong. So let's begin
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the video and images going around on social
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media of a bulldozer breaking
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through a portion of the fence that has
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long enclosed the Gaza stript for years.
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This cage that surrounds that
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territory, the image
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of a bulldozer there's running straight
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through it and Palestinians running to the
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other side. I don't think
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you can find anything better to
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represent the long history
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of Israeli Palestinian tensions,
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the decades of brutal Israeli occupation,
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the recurrent Hamas bombings and rocket
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strikes, and the political deterioration
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on both sides than this image.
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No one thought this was going to happen. Professor
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Clive Jones, director of Institute
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for Middle Eastern and Islamic Studies at
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Durham University, said, this
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is the first time since nineteen forty eight
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that any Palestinian militant movement
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has taken territory in Israel proper.
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That symbolic victory and defeat
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for Israel will resonate across
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the region. So on
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the morning of October seventh, there
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was a surprise attack from Hamas against
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Israel. What happened was a colossal
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failure of Israeli intelligence as well
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as the Israeli government. I'll
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go into this in more detail in a bit, but in
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this surprise attack, resistance fighters
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were entering in up to twenty nine different
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locations outside the Gaza Strip.
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Most significantly, fighters tore
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through the border fence, which has also been called
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the Iron Wall. They knocked it aside
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with bulldozers, drove right through it with
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jeeps and motorcycles, other
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hamas fighters sailed right over it with
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fan powered gliders, and others
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hopped on boats to try to reach the other side
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by sea. A crucial
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component of Israel's defense from an attack
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like this, or at least it was supposed to be,
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was this sophisticated border fence.
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I want to talk about how exactly Israel
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came to build this fence, because
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throughout most of its history, the IDF did
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not want much to do with defensive
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measures. Its traditional security
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concept rested on three complimentary
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pillars, deterrents, early
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warning, and decisive battlefield
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victory. Guided by
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this concept, the IDF built offensive
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power designed to deter its enemies
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from attacking, and intelligence raised
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in order to detect when that deterns had
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eroded. If it was unable to convince
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the other side that it was better off avoiding
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conflict, the IDF would bring the
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full might of its offensive capabilities
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in search of a rapid and decisive
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quote unquote victory, which
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just means they would end up killing a lot of people.
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They would fly in cities and masker hundreds
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of people in order to essentially make
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the other side lose all hope and not
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fight back, and if they did, to
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tell them never to fight back again. This
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would, according to this concept, initially
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strengthen the terrens. The
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idea of defense for Israel
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began sneaking into the conversation in the nineteen
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sixties, as Israel considered purchasing
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the Hawk surface to air missile system
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from the US. This idea
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had some opposition at the highest level
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of the IDF Air Force.
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Commander Ezer Wiseman opposed
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the idea on the grounds that it would give Israel's
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political chiefs an excuse to
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avoid the bold offensive operations,
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in this case, surprise air strikes that
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would take out entire buildings, which
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he viewed as necessary to win
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a war. In the end, though
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five Hawk missile batteries were purchased
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just before the nineteen sixty seven Six
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Day War for thirty million dollars,
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the first makings of the present day
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security fence began in nineteen ninety
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four after the signing of the Interim
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agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza
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Strip when Israel constructed a
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forty mile fence along its boundary
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with Eastern Palestine. The construction
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was completed in nineteen ninety six, though
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it didn't necessarily represent a hard
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border. In two thousand
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and five, under former Prime Minister Ariel
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Sharon, Israel carried out a disengagement
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from Gaza, which included, among other
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things, pulling out its troops. This
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meant that the one kilometer buffer zone
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that the Israeli Defence Forces maintained
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after the first fence was torn down by Gazans
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in two thousand was no longer a possibility.
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A plan for an alternate forty five fence
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a few dozen meters east of the original fence,
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entirely on Israeli land, was then
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developed. The present day
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forty mile long barricade has several
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sections, a twenty foot high smart
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fence, which is the over the ground fence
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with a maritime section by sensors
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to detect encourageents from the water, and
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an underground wall of classified depth
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and thickness with sensors to detect
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any digging. The overground
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barrier, which makes up eighty one percent of
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the fence is supported by a complex
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network of cameras, radar systems,
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as well as command and control rooms. One
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hundred and forty thousand tons of iron
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and steel were used in the construction
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of the underground wall, which took
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three and a half years to complete. The
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total cost of the project is estimated
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at one point eleven billion dollars.
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The project of the quote unquote smart
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fence was publicly announced in twenty sixteen,
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and in twenty twenty one, Israel announced
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the completion of the smart fence, which
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included an underground concrete barrier.
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This addition, which I feel like is important
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to mention, was because Hamas
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used underground tunnels to blind side
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Israeli forces in twenty fourteen, Access
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near the fence on the Gaza side was limited
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to farmers who were on foot. On the
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Israeli side, observation towers
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and sand dunes were put in place to monitor
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threats and slow intruders. With
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the announcement of its completion in twenty twenty
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one, the then Defence Minister Benny
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Gantz said the barrier placed a quote
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iron wall between Hamas and Southern
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Israel. But on
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October seventh, as we saw the
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wall failed massively, and
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a surprise series of coordinated
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efforts enabled Tamas to get past
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the wall. The fence was breached
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at twenty nine points, according to the IDF.
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There were also Israeli guard towers positioned
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at every five hundred feet along
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the perimeter of the wall at some certain
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points, and the Hamas fighters there
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appeared to encounter very little resistance.
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It soon became apparent that the border
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was minimally staffed, with much
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of Israel's military diverted to
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focus on the unrest in the West Bank.
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Matthew Levitt is the director of the counter
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Terrorism Program at the Washington Institute
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for Near East Policy. He said
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the most compelling parts of the system were
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the ones that provided indicators and
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warnings. But you don't
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see in advance that someone is masked
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at the fence. It's still just a fence,
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a big fence, but just a fence still,
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he says. The idea of a bulldozer
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getting that close to the fence at all
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just boggles the mind. The
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attack has been documented as the
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following. To put it very
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simply, using commercial
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drones, Hamas bombed Israeli observation
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towers, communications infrastructure,
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and weapons systems along the border.
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Israel said Hamas fired more than three
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thousand rockets into its territory, with
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some reaching as far as Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
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Militants also use explosives
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to blow up sections of the barrier, and
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men and motorbikes drove through the gaps
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and then the bulldozers did the rest
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and this allowed for enough space for their larger
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view to drive through. Experts
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said an attack of this magnitude with all
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of these elements would have required weeks
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at least of preparation and
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subterfuge. But maybe
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you're asking, well, why now, why
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did Hamas now decide to
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launch an attack of this magnitude.
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There are some clues in the name that Hamas
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gave the attack. They named it Operation
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of Axa Flood. Just days
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before the attack, hundreds of Israeli settlers,
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with the protection of the Israeli forces,
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stormed at Alexa Mosque and occupied
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East Jerusalem. I've talked about
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this before, but this compound
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is a very important and contested
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religious site, and it's often
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very often a target by Israeli
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settlers and the IDF, and
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Hamas said it launched its attack
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in response to the desecration of Aluxa.
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Muhammad'ef, the Rassam Brigade's
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commander, said, we have
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decided that the time has come to draw
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the line for the the enemy to understand
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their time is up and they can't keep
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going without consequences.
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But again, experts said this plan would
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have taken weeks to plan. I'm
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sure the attacks on Aleximosque
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played a role in the attack, but
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it was probably being worked on for quite
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some time before that. And
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Hamas also said the attack was a response
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to decades of Israeli violence and occupation.
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The daily impact of that occupation on
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the lives of Palestinians in Gaza and
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other occupied territories like the West Bank
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is a huge part of this story. Let's
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take our first break before I forget
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no clever segue here, Just
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listen to these ads and
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we're back. Analysts
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and experts have been warning for months
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that the reality on the ground in Palestine
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in Israel was leading up to this. Nor
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Udin, a political analyst and
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former Palestinian Authority spokeswoman,
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said the record number of Palestinians
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killed, dispossessed, injured
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and traumatized by Israeli forces and
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settlers across the occupied West Bank,
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the continued siege on Gaza, the
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relentless attacks on El Samosque,
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they were all pushing the situation towards
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this moment. I don't think anybody
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imagined the particulars of this moment, but
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I think everybody with a sense of what was going
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on knew that this quote unquote
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calm was deceiving and
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that something was going to happen, something
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big. And it did happen.
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The wall came down. But for the
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two point three million Palestinians
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who have been virtually trapped for fifteen
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years, as well as the Palestinians on the West
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Bank, who have been constantly surveilled,
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having their movement restricted, and have experienced
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growing military violence, bulldozing
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through this fence means something else.
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While the Israeli response was
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fed by the failure of this system,
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making the future of all Palestinians even more
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precarious. The impact of Saturday's
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attack for Palestinians is hugely
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significant psychologically and symbolically.
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It shatters the idea of Israel's military
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superiority. It's a physical
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symbol of breaking out of the open
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air prison they've been held captive in letting
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them step onto the land that they've been forced
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out of, some of them for their entire
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lives. Most of the Palestinians
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and Gaza are children, and they have only
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ever known life within the confines
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of that fence. So bulldozing
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a hole right through this fence to the other
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side will obviously have ripples
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in more ways than one.
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I want to mention something here that I've been thinking
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about is that Gaza is often
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referred to as the world's biggest
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open air prison, which is true,
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but I was thinking about it, and prison
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implies that they did a crime.
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They did not do a crime. The Palestinians
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are innocent. They're stuck
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in a cage against their will, and
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they have no way out. I think
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a better way to describe Gaza might
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be an open air concentration
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camp, the biggest open air concentration
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camp period. This is just something I've
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been thinking about because I feel like open air prison
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implies they're all criminals and
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they're not, so just something to
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think about when it comes to semantics and
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the power of words, I suppose, even
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if it's subconscious. Gaza
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has been under a land, sea and air
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blockade since two thousand and seven. More
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than two point three million Palestinians
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live there, all crammed in and
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they cannot leave without Israeli permission,
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which very few people get.
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Hamas is a political and armed group
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that took control of two thousand and six, and
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there hasn't been an election since. It's
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part of a regional alliance which also
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includes Iran and the armed group has
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Bela and Lebanon. Hamas
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has been designated a terrorist organization
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by Israel, the US, and the EU,
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among many others. We'll be doing
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a history more in depth about Hamas
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soon, but it's important to note that
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Israel basically helped create it. More
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details will be in that episode, obviously, but
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just to summarize very briefly, Israel
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bolstered Hamas's creation and funded
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its expansion because it wanted to divide
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the Palestinians amongst themselves, and
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they viewed the leftist PLO,
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the Palestinian Liberation Organization,
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which was the governing party at the time,
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as a threat, and so they encouraged
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Hamas to flourish and
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thrive, which leads us to now
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again, that'll be a separate episode.
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There is so much to cover, and
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I can do it all today. Although
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the PLO used to be the
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dominant party decades
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ago, in recent years, the PLO
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and the secular FATA party which the PLO
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is centered around, is often criticized
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for being ineffective, and so many
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Palestinians see Hamas as the
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most active group when it comes to resistance
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against the violent Israeli occupation. Palestinians
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have lived in violent occupation for seventy
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six years and the world has
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largely done nothing. Palestinians
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have no outside support whatsoever,
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and no one is coming to their aid or
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rescue. They unfortunately
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only have this militant group because
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of this, and also just
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a reminder that Palestine has
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actually tried everything and that violence
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is not their first resort. Many
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Palestinians don't even support Hamas.
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Let's not forget about BDS, which
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is a Palestinian nonviolent
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movement which calls for boycott, divestment
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and sanctions for Israel. BDS
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is now deemed illegal. In
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twenty twenty one, thirty five states
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passed anti BDS laws, so
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even boycott Israeli products
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is suddenly illegal. So
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that was BDS. People are obviously
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still engaged in BDS and I encourage everyone
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to read more about it, because divestment
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and sanctions work. It worked in South Africa,
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but here we are. And then
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in twenty eighteen, Palestinians
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in Gaza mounted the Great March of Return
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to show the world their plight. Day
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after day they walked unarmed
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to Israeli's military fences around
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Gaza. How did Israel
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respond to this non violent protest.
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They shot eight thousand Palestinians
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with live ammunition, killed two
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hundred and twenty people and wounded
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thirty six thousand, one hundred
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and forty three. Palestinians
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are getting killed regardless of the
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existence of Hamas, because Israel
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bombing Gaza isn't actually
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about Hamas but occupation
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and ethnic cleansing. Israel
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and Hamas have fought many on and off
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quote unquote wars. I say,
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quote unquote because it's not
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a war if only one side has an army,
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and I personally really hate when it's referred to
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as a war because it's falsely portraying
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an occupation as an equal fight when
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there's actually an oppressor and an oppressed.
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But regardless, the last big war
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Israel had had with Hamas was in twenty twenty
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one. In the past, it's usually
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been an exchange of fire across the Gaza
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border. Hamas launches rockets
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into Israel, Israel drops more bombs
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on Gaza. Hamas launches rockets
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into Israel, Israel drops more bombs
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on Gaza, and so on. Usually
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this results in a huge civilian
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death toll in Gaza, with Israel
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bombing entire residential buildings and killing
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entire families and hundreds of children.
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And just a reminder here that Gaza does
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not have an iron dome to
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defend itself. When Israel
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bombs Gaza, it does
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so knowing it is very densely populated
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and filled with hundreds of
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innocent people that have nothing to do
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with Hamas. They drop bombs
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on buildings, hospitals, schools,
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nothing is off limits. I
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don't have to remind you, or maybe I do that They've
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also killed members of the press, clearly
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wearing press vests, but
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I guess that's another topic for another day. What
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happened this time around with the attack
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that Hamas launched on October seventh,
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was very different, though it's
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repeatedly been called unprecedented,
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and this is true for a few reasons. One
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because of the scale of the attack that Hamas
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launched, and two because nobody
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really saw it coming. As
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of this recording, more than one
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thousand and two hundred Israelis and
18:44
foreign nationals, the majority of whom
18:46
were civilians, were killed
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and more than three thousand were wounded. Hamas
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also said that it captured more than one hundred
18:54
Israelis, including some senior military
18:56
officers. Nothing
18:59
like this, especially at this magnitude,
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has happened since two thousand and six, when
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Hamas captured one Israeli soldier,
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Galatchilit and held him
19:08
in Gaza for five years. And
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three days after Hamas launched this
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attack on October seventh, there were still
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gun battles going on between Hamas fighters
19:17
and Israeli forces in the three main
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areas in southern Israel.
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And despite verified footage and reporting
19:25
from Gaza that indisputably shows
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countless Palestinian children who Israel
19:29
has killed so far, Israel's
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murder of Palestinian children is receiving
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little to no media attention in
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the US or globally. But
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they create the worst possible enemy,
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so the world supports the destruction
19:45
of an entire people, and
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as an Arab, I want to
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mention that it's really hard to see
19:51
all of this play out, and if you have any
19:53
Arab friends, I'm sure they're going through it too,
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especially if they're Palestinian, because
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it's almost like dejah of
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what happened after nine to eleven, and
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what happened after nine to eleven didn't really stop.
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To be honest, it's not like a somophobia took a break
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and then came back. It's always been there, but
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now it's very shameless and disgusting,
20:14
and it makes no attempt to cover itself
20:16
because it's not only ignored, but encouraged
20:19
in order to validate the actions
20:21
of the US military in the Israeli military.
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Another reason for this all being so unprecedented
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is Israel's failure to stop it from
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happening. The Israeli Army
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is one of the world's most sophisticated military
20:34
and intelligence organizations, as well as
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one of the most powerful armies in the world. Because
20:39
of the United States support and billions of
20:41
dollars in funding, any kind
20:43
of communication going in and out of Gaza,
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at least in theory, would be listened to by
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Israel's intelligence units. And again,
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the offense is heavily militarized, but
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still it collapsed. I
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think another significant result of
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this, which I kind of touched on earlier, is
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that the success full attack from Hamas
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completely undermines the never endingly talked
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about power of Israel and the power
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of their army and military, especially
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their capability in the region. It
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kind of disrupts their entire image
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in a way.
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I also want to quickly mention that the claim
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that Hamas's attack was unprovoked
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is ignoring the years of brutal
21:32
occupation and exactly why they
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attacked in the first place. It was a surprise,
21:37
yes, but I would never say it was unprovoked,
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because you can't keep someone in captivity their entire
21:42
lifetime and expect them to
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hug it out. And maybe
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what I'm saying sounds radical
21:49
to you, especially by the standards
21:51
of American media. But here
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is this award winning Israeli
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journalist and writer Gideon Levy.
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He wrote an incredible piece about
22:01
what's happening right now. He writes
22:04
opinion pieces in a weekly column for Herots,
22:06
and he focuses particularly on the
22:08
Israeli occupation of Palestine, and
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he has won awards for his articles
22:13
on human rights. He
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wrote an incredibly moving, powerful
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piece called Israel can't
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imprison two million Gozzens
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without paying a cruel price. I
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want to read excerpts from this because
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he is speaking as inn Israeli, and
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I think it's extremely important to
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hear what he has to say. Behind
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all this lies Israeli arrogance,
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the idea that we can do whatever we like that
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will never pay the price and never be punished
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for it. Will carry on undisturbed.
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We'll arrest, kill, harass,
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dispossess, and protect the settlers
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busy with their programs, will
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fire at innocent people, take out people's
22:55
eyes and smash their faces, expel,
22:57
confiscate, rob grab people from their
22:59
beds heads, carry out ethnic cleansing, and of
23:01
course continue with the unbelievable
23:04
siege of the Gaza Strip, and everything
23:06
will be all right. We'll build
23:08
a terrifying obstacle around Gaza and
23:10
will be safe. Will rely on the
23:13
geniuses of the Army's eighty two hundred
23:15
cyber intelligence unit and on
23:17
the Shinbet Security Service agents who
23:19
know everything. They'll warn us in time.
23:22
It turns out that even the world's most
23:24
sophisticated and expensive obstacle
23:27
can be breached with a smoky old
23:29
bulldozer. When the motivation is
23:31
great, This arrogant barrier
23:33
can be crossed by bicycle and moped, despite
23:36
the billions poured into it and all the
23:38
famous experts and fat cat contractors.
23:42
We thought we'd continue to go down to Gaza,
23:44
scatter a few crumbs in the form of tens
23:46
of thousands of Israeli work permits, always
23:49
contingent on good behavior, and still
23:51
keep them in prison. We'll make
23:53
peace with Saudi Arabia and the United Emirates,
23:56
and the Palestinians will be forgotten until
23:58
they're erased. Quite a few Israelis
24:01
would like we'll keep
24:03
holding thousands of Palestinian prisoners,
24:05
some without trial, most of them political
24:08
prisoners, and we won't agree
24:10
to discuss their release, even after
24:12
they've been in prison for decades. We'll
24:15
tell them that only by force will their prisoners
24:17
see freedom. We thought we would
24:19
arrogantly keep rejecting any attempt
24:21
at a diplomatic solution, only
24:24
because we don't want to deal with all that, and everything
24:26
will continue that way forever.
24:29
Once again, it was proved that this
24:31
isn't how it is a few hundred
24:34
armed Palestinians breached the barrier
24:36
and invaded Israel in a way no Israeli
24:38
imagine possible. A few hundred
24:40
people proved that it's impossible to
24:43
imprison two million people forever
24:46
without paying a cruel price. Just
24:48
as the smoky old Palestinian bulldozer
24:51
tore through the world's smartest
24:53
barrier, it tore away at Israel's
24:55
arrogance and complacency. And
24:58
that's also how it tore away at the idea
25:00
that it's enough to occasionally attack Gaza
25:02
with suicide drones and sell them to
25:04
half the world to maintain security.
25:07
On Saturday, Israel saw pictures
25:09
it has never seen before, Palestinian
25:12
vehicles patrolling gets cities,
25:14
bike riders entering through the Gaza gates.
25:17
These pictures tear away at that arrogance
25:20
the Gaza Palestinians have decided they're
25:22
willing to pay any price for
25:24
a moment of freedom. Is
25:27
there any hope in that? No? Will
25:29
Israel learn its lesson? No.
25:33
On Saturday, they were already talking about
25:35
wiping out entire neighborhoods in Gaza,
25:37
about occupying the strip and punishing
25:39
Gaza quote as it has never been
25:42
punished before. But Israel
25:44
hasn't stopped punishing Gaza since nineteen
25:46
forty eight, not for a moment. After
25:49
seventy five years of abuse, the
25:51
worst possible scenario awaits
25:53
it once again. The threats
25:55
of flattening Gaza prove only
25:58
one thing. We haven't learned a
26:00
thing. The arrogance is here
26:02
to stay, even though Israel is
26:04
paying a high price once again. Prime
26:07
Minister Benjamin Nyaho bears a very
26:10
great responsibility for what happened, and
26:12
he must pay that price. But it
26:14
didn't start with him, and it won't end after
26:16
he goes. We now have
26:18
to cry bitterly for the Israeli victims,
26:21
but we should also cry for Gaza. Gaza,
26:25
most of whose residents are refugees
26:27
created by Israel, Gaza,
26:30
which has never known a single day of
26:32
freedom. I just think that piece
26:34
is very powerful, and I know I read a good chunk of
26:37
it, but I think it's
26:39
important to hear, especially from an
26:41
Israeli. As he mentioned,
26:44
Israel, because of this has responded
26:46
to the attack with extreme force.
26:49
Prime Minister a little Bitchna NYAHUO said
26:51
the enemy will pay an unprecedented
26:54
price. Israel has bombed
26:56
Gaza for days, hitting Gaza
26:58
with air strikes, targeting hospitals,
27:00
mosques, entire residential buildings, and
27:03
calling Palestinians animals to the media,
27:06
Israeli Defense Minister Joav Galant said,
27:09
we are fighting animals and acting accordingly.
27:12
Israel also said that it wants to wipe out hamasa's
27:15
military capability and end its control
27:17
of Gaza, which doesn't
27:19
really make sense because they're
27:22
kind of targeting anything and now
27:24
anything they can hit, including civilians, and
27:28
at the end they want control themselves. So I
27:30
think a lot of right wing Israeli
27:32
politicians, which was most of them these days, say
27:36
empty, stupid shit. And
27:39
it also looks like amidst all this
27:41
that a ground invasion is likely going to happen
27:44
because the IDF has been readying tanks
27:46
and military jeeps. It
27:48
sucks that I have to say this out loud,
27:50
but peace should not come at the
27:53
expense and the brutal oppression
27:55
of others. There was no
27:57
peace before this attack. The
27:59
violence of the Israeli occupation has been
28:01
there since the state was established in nineteen
28:04
forty eight. Hamas is a
28:06
direct result of that violence.
28:08
There has never been peace in Israel because
28:10
it was created in violence, and
28:13
this clearly does not justify
28:17
Hamas killing innocent people.
28:19
That is never okay, But
28:22
Israel also can justify killing thousands
28:25
of people because of that. Abby
28:29
Martin, who is the creator and host of
28:31
The Empire Files. She also made
28:33
the film Gaza Fights for Freedom, which I highly
28:35
recommend. She posted this
28:38
exchange on her Twitter between
28:40
her and one of their field producers in Gaza,
28:43
and he says, I'm scared, Abby,
28:46
I feel I could die any second. Most
28:49
of the people here lost power and internet
28:51
connections, so we don't know where they hit. Entire
28:54
neighborhoods are being erased. They
28:56
killed twelve hundred of us so far and
28:58
destroyed massively, and yet they
29:01
say they have not started yet.
29:03
We know massacres are coming, and we're
29:05
sure they got the green light from the US
29:08
to kill us all. So that is
29:10
a perspective of someone standing in Gaza
29:13
living in fear, which isn't entirely
29:16
new as far as living in fear goes,
29:19
because that's been the reality for Gazans for
29:21
decades. But this time it's different
29:24
because it's very clear that Israel's committing
29:26
a purposeful genocide.
29:29
But they're in the dark with no one to
29:31
help them, and I
29:33
can only imagine how helpless and hopeless
29:35
it feels. It breaks
29:37
my heart. I just want
29:39
to give a update, an
29:42
unfortunate update, because things
29:45
are just fucked and people
29:48
keep dying. But I'm recording
29:50
this update on the afternoon of October
29:52
twelfth, like a day after
29:55
I record the original stuff, and Israel
29:57
has killed five hundred Palestinians and the Gaza
30:00
strip since this morning, five
30:03
hundred in the last six hours
30:05
twelve hours. Gaza's
30:07
health ministry said that one thousand,
30:09
five hundred and thirty seven Palestinians,
30:12
including five hundred children
30:15
and two hundred and seventy six women, have
30:17
been killed and there are almost
30:19
seven thousand others wounded because
30:21
of these Israeli airstrikes. Loss
30:24
of this magnitude is unsettling
30:27
and overwhelming. And I also
30:29
want to mention this something
30:31
I just learned. Israel has bombed
30:33
the international airports of Aleppo
30:35
and Damascus in Syria, and
30:38
this has forced them out of service. So
30:41
not only are they massacring the entire families
30:43
in Gaza, but they're also dropping
30:46
bombs on civilian airports in Syria.
30:50
And the Western media still wants you to think that Israel
30:52
is the victim. It
30:55
bears repeating that Gaza is very
30:57
densely populated, with two point
30:59
three million people trapped in a very
31:01
small space, unable to leave,
31:04
with nowhere to escape to. An
31:07
example of this empty, stupid
31:09
rhetoric that Israeli politicians
31:11
are saying is when Natanyahu
31:13
said that civilians should leave and evacuate
31:16
Gaza. He said that, knowing
31:19
full well that that is impossible
31:21
because his government forbids it. He
31:23
said that to the media so the
31:25
world can see that he is
31:28
just and not trying to attack any
31:30
civilians. It's all a fucking show, like
31:32
I guess all politics are, but
31:34
it's still really infuriating and
31:37
I hate it so much. And in Gaza,
31:40
before all of this, before the
31:42
thousands that have already died, there was already
31:44
a blockade. They were trapped
31:46
for fifteen years. And now
31:49
in addition to this blockade, Israel
31:52
has imposed a total siege on
31:54
Gaza, inflicting collective
31:56
punishment, which is illegal under
31:58
international law. But Israel
32:01
routinely commits war crimes and goes
32:03
about its business unchecked. Why
32:05
would it be any different this time. Remember
32:09
that half of Gaza's population are under
32:11
eighteen hundreds of children
32:13
have been murdered, and horrific videos
32:15
have been circulating of the destruction of Gaza,
32:18
of bodies and babies and
32:20
innocent people being pulled out of the rubble.
32:23
I had a break down last
32:25
night because I saw a video of a
32:28
Palestinian father holding his
32:30
dead child's corpse and hugging
32:33
it for the very last time. And
32:35
I'm very privileged to be sitting here recording
32:37
this, and if I have difficulty
32:39
processing it, I cannot imagine what Palestinians
32:42
are going through. Israel
32:44
controls everything in Gaza.
32:47
If cut off electricity, food,
32:49
water, and gas for an entire
32:52
population, Israel
32:54
is massacring Palestinians in a blackout
32:56
on purpose, so they're unable to
32:58
connect with anyone from the outside. No
33:01
electricity also means that hospitals
33:03
have no way of the already limited
33:06
machines they have available to them so
33:08
they can save lives. Before
33:10
this, the water in Gaza was already
33:12
ninety seven percent undrinkable,
33:15
and now it's completely gone. This
33:17
will lead to dehydration deaths,
33:20
among many many other deaths.
33:23
Israel is starving an entire population
33:26
live on your television, openly
33:29
committing genocide as the world
33:31
watches on as it always
33:33
does. It
33:39
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