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Hi, this is Mia. So before

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we get to today's episode, last

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Friday, the rank and file of the Burgerville

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Workers Union, which is the country's first successful

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fast food union, went on strike

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against a campaign of disciplinings and firings

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of primarily trans and POC workers

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by the bosses who are once

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again trying to crush the union. The

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strike has worked so far, but they need support

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from the community to help pay workers

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and help these people feed their families

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so they can continue fighting the boss's capitalism

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and building democracy in the workplace. You

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can go to Bitley's Slash Burger

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Defense to do it. To their funds, we will

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have links to that description. And

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yeah, thank you all so much, and now

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on to the.

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Show, BA

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and welcome to it could happen. Sheer

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part of wool Zone Media.

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I am one of your hosts, DJ Daniel, and I

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am joined by three wonderful people, one of which

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is actually going to lead us to the prom I didn't

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press record on my own device, that.

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Amateur.

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I cannot believe that waybody

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press for cord. Should we all make a fine

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No no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, it's

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gonna I'm so fucking stupid.

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I'm we're gonna do it again if this

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is good. But you know what, I'm keeping all

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of this anyway.

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Yes, I am uh bah

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and welcome to it could happen? Sheer

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part of the wool Zone Media Network.

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I am one of your hosts, DJ Dani, but really

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I'm just going to be listening as someone else walks

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us through. I am joined by three

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wonderful co hosts, and I'm going to let them introduce themselves.

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How about we start with the person leading this conversation,

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James, How you doing?

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I'm wonderful, Dinna, I'm very excited.

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And who are we? Joined by? Cherene?

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Do you want to say hi?

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Do I want to say hi? This

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is what I sound like today, everybody.

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I apologize not

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part of the plan, but hopefully

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this.

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Is a fun episode to listen to me sound like this?

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This is Charin.

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Yeah, I'm here, Scharen is doing

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her plague cosplay right now, and we

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are joined by one other wonderful person. Would

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you like to introduce yourself?

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Hi?

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Ged Mia and Mia also here. Yay

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knows nothing about sheep. Very excited.

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I'm very excited.

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Even though I sound like this, I need to be here

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because I learned so much about chickens

2:23

last time.

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Now it's sheep. Yeah, we're so proud that

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you fought through to pain. By the way, ba,

2:28

sheer and wool is the full extent of my

2:30

sheep knowledge. So you know we got it all out of the way

2:32

right there.

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Great, all right, butyway, let's get going because I've got four

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pages of bullet points. Oh

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god, it could be

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a week of sheep content.

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Wonderful.

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All right. Yeah, so talking

2:44

about sheep. The reason we're talking about sheep

2:47

is a because it's it's passion of mine and

2:50

b because someone on the sumberreddit

2:53

who's I'm just going to get their username quickly. I

2:56

can't say the catiff. Catiff.

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We had one of those. They

3:02

posted sheep every day until until they

3:05

guessed the breed of sheep that I had in my

3:08

mind. And when they guessed that the sheep, I

3:10

said I would do a sheep episode. That was two months

3:12

ago. I think they did it while I was away

3:15

in the desert.

3:17

Before they got it. They got it quick too.

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They got to like day I just searched sheep on

3:22

the subreddit. One of my friends

3:24

like they were like, oh, I look at the subreddit for your

3:27

work stuff the other day and it's just a lot of sheep, man, like,

3:29

what do you do? Yeah,

3:34

but yeah, they did very well. They eventually picked the sheep, which

3:36

was a Scotch black face and famous

3:38

for being Justin Trudeau's favorite sheep, and

3:45

I got to get him in What You Can

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Strike. I

3:52

think it's impossible to say that on a podcast

3:54

and not not try, I

3:57

think, but yeah, hopefully, hopefully

3:59

we've sailed through that one. So

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when a we're talking about sheep, right, when you're thinking of getting

4:04

sheep, the first thing I think you have to ask yourself

4:06

is why. And that is a

4:08

good question because obviously there are a lot of work and

4:11

they are like born ready

4:13

to die, and every

4:15

point in the sheep owning

4:18

process you can that

4:22

we are all born ready to die. We're

4:25

just here temporarily postponing the

4:27

America because.

4:28

They're covered in war and

4:30

we die the war smart

4:36

incredible. I'm

4:38

many air horns and bombs right there. Yeah.

4:40

I was going to say, don if you could give yourself like a big

4:42

old symbol, but that

4:44

would be great.

4:46

Okay.

4:47

So yeah, so when you're looking at sheep,

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right, it's a lot of work. But

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they're also very lovely and I enjoy sheep a

4:54

lot. They can be very friendly. They're a nice animal.

4:56

They're not like

4:58

cattle. Sheep seem more personable

5:00

to me. And you know, they're soft,

5:02

which is nice. So when

5:05

you think about getting sheep, you got to think, do I want

5:07

these sheep for meat? Do I

5:09

want these sheep for wool? Or

5:12

do I want these sheep for milk? Those are the three

5:14

main reasons. They are also a thing called

5:16

park sheep. When

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we're talking about parks here, we're not talking about like

5:21

that they live in central park. We're

5:23

talking about like the it's a big field

5:26

in front of a rich person's house. I think this is probably

5:28

a specifically British thing and

5:31

people, yeah, people are looking at me like it's a British thing.

5:35

So big stately homes

5:38

for rich people in rural England will

5:40

have a big field in front of the home. It's a long driveway

5:42

on it. That driveway is generally planted with big

5:44

trees leading up to the

5:46

house and it's like you've watched

5:49

down to TV. Yeah, so

5:53

if you can, yes, a country

5:55

of state exactly, so like

5:57

in that country estate, my

6:00

dad by both my parents and agriculture. My dad

6:02

works. Someone had a large country estate one point

6:04

in my childhood, they

6:07

would have sheep in that

6:09

park. But like those she aren't really there to make

6:11

money. They're there just to look fancy. So

6:14

that's where you get some really crazy sheep.

6:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah, parkspah

6:19

if you if you want to go and have a look up Jacob's

6:21

Jacob sheep, there's some there's some audience participation.

6:23

So if you guys get opened up a tab and google a

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Jacob sheep classic

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like old Jacob j y whoa,

6:33

yeah, oh god, it's

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it's called a polyserate sheep because it has multiple

6:40

horns. I don't know the ones you're seeing have

6:42

four horns, but that's a classic Jacob sheep.

6:44

And they're piebald, right, so multiple

6:46

colors.

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That's it.

6:49

I didn't know horns can look like that.

6:51

Oh yeah, there are quite a few poly search sheet

6:54

Hebridean sheep sometimes Nawajo

6:56

turro she if you're in the United States like that too.

6:59

So yeah, that it's an option for sheep.

7:01

You know, just to paint a picture for anybody who's not also

7:03

actively googling this right now, so you're driving in your

7:05

car going for a dog and you can't can't

7:08

google something. This is, honestly, this

7:10

is the sheep image that I think was

7:12

thought of when people think of like a devil sheep

7:15

or like these

7:17

have sheep like two long horns out the top and

7:19

horns out the sides. I may just be playing a lot of

7:21

Diablo for right now, but I immediately was

7:23

like, ah, demon sheep.

7:26

If you check out Hebridean sheep, they look

7:29

like like a very death metal sheep there there, they're all

7:31

black.

7:34

Hebridean h E B

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R I D E A N sheep yep.

7:39

Whoa oh yeah same thing. Oh

7:45

yeah,

7:48

the.

7:50

Same time.

7:51

Yeah, that's what you want to strive for our life. That's

7:53

what I go for every time I get dressed in the

7:55

morning too. Yeah yeah, good. So

7:59

you're looking at three different types of sheep right, basically

8:01

your meat breeds, so they're going to grow quickly.

8:03

They're going to be bigger, which is going to

8:05

be something you have to take in consideration when you're handling the

8:08

sheep, right, and they're going to have more lamps.

8:11

You got your wall breeds, So they might be a smaller,

8:14

they may need shearing twice a year though, so that's

8:16

something you're either going to have to do or find someone

8:18

to do and they'll give a more desirable

8:21

wall, right. And there are different types of wool for different things,

8:23

so that's something you might look into it, Like if you're considering

8:25

spinning or you know you're getting these sheep primarily

8:28

so you can go from like farm

8:31

to jumper, then you

8:33

need to look into that.

8:36

And I don't actually know how

8:38

you sell wool in the US and the UK. It was

8:40

kind of a centralized sale. It's

8:42

not it's not worth fuck all for the

8:44

most part, at least unless you've

8:46

got something like the Reno sheep. So like don't

8:49

be getting wools sheep and thinking like, oh hell yeah, I'm going

8:51

to make my fortune in the wall market.

8:53

That ship.

8:55

That ship has sailed centuries

8:57

ago. So kind

8:59

of the class sheep you're

9:01

looking at for, Like, a lot of the

9:03

sheep that you're going to see, at least in the UK

9:06

are very often mules, So that's a cross

9:08

breed of sheep. It's a blue face or border

9:10

lester ram over a hill breed.

9:12

You, So hill breed sheeps are sheep?

9:15

Are there more hardy, right, they're the ones that

9:17

live out on the

9:20

Yorkshire Dales or up in the Lake district.

9:22

Right when you see sheep up there, there's going

9:24

to be hill breed sheep. One of the advantages

9:26

of hill breeds is they can often be hefted.

9:29

Are we familiar with hefting?

9:31

No? Never, Okay.

9:33

Hefting is when a sheep knows where its home is, so it

9:35

doesn't have to necessarily be fenced in. It will

9:37

come back there. So

9:41

yeah, yeah, it's it's it's

9:44

a animal that lives out on the hills, but like it

9:46

knows where to come back to. It's not just going to be like sort

9:48

of go mincing off to try and explore somewhere

9:50

new, like it will come back. That

9:53

is not a characteristic of all breeds of sheep. Like

9:55

you will talk about fencing, definitely,

9:58

most sheep need to be fenced in or they will

10:00

to get out. Some

10:03

of them are very acrobatic. But

10:05

yeah, these guys, they can be hefted. H'll breed some hill

10:08

bredes can be hefted so well. That

10:10

means it's passed down the maternal line, so you're

10:12

going to have to to retain that

10:14

maternal line. Right, So as you're breeding

10:16

your sheep, going to have to keep the U

10:19

to the you lamb and you're going to have to keep

10:21

that line because they will teach their lamps to

10:23

where to come back to.

10:25

Basically, right, that's.

10:26

A really dumb question.

10:28

Please.

10:29

I recognize it's dumb, and I can google it later,

10:31

but I need to know.

10:32

Okay, I don't someone that doesn't eat a

10:34

lot of meat.

10:35

Okay, do we only eat

10:37

lamb meat? Does anyone eat sheep meat?

10:41

Sheep meat?

10:42

Yeah, that's called mushian much.

10:45

I have heard of mutton so much sheep?

10:47

Yeah, have you heard that from? Have you heard the phrase mutton

10:49

dressed a lamb?

10:52

No?

10:53

No, I think it's rather.

10:55

Like a British one.

10:56

Yeah, it's definitely probably British, right. I think it's rather sexist.

10:59

Is using condescending way for people who you think

11:01

are dressing too young for their age.

11:04

I guess so you might be familiar

11:06

with that. I thought it might be a good but no, I thought I had

11:08

a way to explain it to you. But no, Mutton,

11:10

Yeah, mutton is the older sheep. So there are some breeds

11:13

that you get for mutton. It's not

11:15

very popular like Americans

11:17

don't eat as much lamb as British people do,

11:20

and I think New Zealanders eat a lot of it too,

11:22

but it's not as common here,

11:24

So it's relatively common in the UK. Like if you

11:26

went to a zoopmarket, you'll see it mutton not so

11:28

much you have to cook it for longer in search,

11:33

yes they do.

11:33

Yeah, yeah.

11:36

Eat a lot of sheep too, interesting.

11:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there are

11:41

lots of It's it's a

11:43

very hardy like you can have sheep and a lot of places

11:45

where you can't have cattle. They're much

11:47

tougher animals like, and they don't need as

11:50

much grazing, right, It's just not as much biomass

11:52

on a sheep. So like that's why when

11:54

you go to hillier parts of the UK, you're

11:56

going to see sheep and not cattle,

11:59

because that that's the place where sheep can

12:01

live. They don't need is quality of grazing

12:03

for the most part. So

12:07

let me go through a few breeds of sheep,

12:09

and I'm going to go for what to look for when you're

12:11

buying a sheep, right, So

12:14

just just some breeds that I've sort of gone

12:17

off the top of my head. Here texels,

12:21

and you guys can look these up as we go. I think that will add

12:23

add to the entertainment factor for the listeners at home.

12:26

So texels, they

12:28

are big units and not as big

12:31

some of other such we're going to talk about. They're thick, they're

12:34

mostly like a meat sheep lean meat.

12:36

Yeah, ugly. They're kind

12:38

of wide face and kind

12:40

of the big dominating eyebrows.

12:43

Okay, they kind of look like someone stuck stuck

12:46

like a sheep pat and a dog.

12:47

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

12:49

they're actually nice sheep. They're not like we

12:52

had textles growing up. There

12:54

is mostly a meat sheep with a bit of wool.

12:57

Your next one might be border Leicester, sometimes

13:00

called a blue luster. They're very recognizable

13:03

that like the blue speckling on their face and then

13:05

a big Roman nose

13:07

I suppose like a domed nose.

13:08

They've got a big, big round one.

13:10

Yeah, a big, big schnoot on them. So

13:13

that's a very recognizable sheep. They again

13:16

like a meat and wool sheep with slightly probably

13:18

more desirable wool than texels.

13:21

They're also very good mother So that's something you're looking

13:23

at with sheep. Is

13:25

it going to raise it's young, is it going to stick around look

13:28

after them? A boarder lester's good for that, which

13:30

is why they use in those mules that I spoke about.

13:32

It's one of the reasons that you cross

13:34

breathed them with a hill sheep to make them more hearty.

13:36

Right, this one is a

13:39

clean l l e

13:41

y n because

13:44

you probably wouldn't got that spelling organically. That

13:46

that's a Welsh word and I'm probably mispronouncing

13:48

it, but it's that's

13:51

a's a meat sheep. It's also got desirable

13:54

wool. It's also a good mother. They are big,

13:57

they're like they're big units. My

13:59

mum had those. And

14:02

so when one of the things you're going to have to do when you have your

14:04

sheep is you're going to have to clip their little feets.

14:08

That's the ways they grow too long, just like just like you

14:10

have to clip your own fingernails, right, otherwise

14:13

you need to do that. So and there's a way

14:15

to do it by sort of grabbing the front

14:17

leg and sort of dropping your knee a little bit, like you're

14:20

not just suplexing the sheep.

14:25

It's a light suplex.

14:26

When you originally talking about hefting, I assumed it

14:28

was something to do with picking the sheep up for

14:30

some reason.

14:32

The newer term is r kao ing your sheep. Okay,

14:36

yeah, so this lean sheep looks

14:38

like to me, to me, the lean sheet,

14:40

is it lean clean clean?

14:44

M hmm, yeah, that double L sounding

14:46

well, she's it comes at you hard.

14:48

It's interesting clean. Well.

14:51

Either way, this sheep to me looks like

14:53

standard sheep. You're like run of the

14:55

mill sheep. When I google sheep, this is

14:57

what I think of.

14:58

Yeah, that's what once I was sending you pictures of yesterday.

15:01

Sometimes I'll send pictures of sheep to the

15:04

to the group chat, just for the increase

15:06

the general well being.

15:09

That's the only time I like the group chat.

15:13

I'm kidding,

15:16

it's true. Keep it up

15:18

for you, just just for usuing. I will keep

15:20

keep sheep content coming. You got

15:23

the Jacob sheep, we'll be spoken about.

15:24

Right.

15:24

So that's more of a park sheep. It's

15:28

a rare breed. So if you're interested

15:30

in like a rare breed, it's a good thing to do, right. If you're

15:32

just a person who's like, yeah, it'd be cool to have some sheep, I have

15:34

some pasture. Maybe you want them on a horse

15:37

field because horses will mess up the grass on their own.

15:40

Horses will will ship

15:42

in an area and that will kind of sour the grass,

15:44

and horses will then not eat that grass. Horses

15:48

are not really you know, great

15:51

ship where they eat. On

15:55

the other hand, yeah,

15:58

the horse, notice the sheep doesn't. So sometimes

16:00

you have a few sheep with horses. They can

16:02

be companions as well. They

16:04

can be nice companions.

16:06

You know.

16:06

That's where the phrase get you know, the phrase gets

16:08

your goat. Something gets your goat? Oh

16:11

yeah, yeah, that's where it comes from.

16:13

Keeping a goat with a horse to keep it company?

16:15

Nice?

16:17

Is a sheep of goat?

16:18

No?

16:18

Different, different animals

16:23

similar similar.

16:25

I'm sure there's some kind of genus species thing. I

16:27

don't understand there maybe a different species

16:30

somewhere. Yeah,

16:32

they're they're yeah, they're not a million miles apart.

16:36

So you've got dorpers. I think that's a

16:38

cross between of a Dorset and a Persian.

16:40

They're raised for mutton, so that's

16:43

if if you're looking for your mutton shoeing, that's where

16:45

that's where you get that. They have multiple

16:47

lambs a year. So some of these sheep will have can

16:50

land more than once a year. Herdwick

16:52

is a good hill breed. They're a very hardy and

16:55

a lot of those up around my dad where my dad

16:57

lives. Like

16:59

I said, there are some rare breeds which

17:03

if you're interested in like having rare breed sheep just to

17:06

preserve like a type of sheep, because

17:08

obviously, like the the more

17:10

heritage breeds are not as commercially viable,

17:13

so sometimes they get lost, right

17:15

because they don't give you a better same

17:17

return on investment. So if you're interested in

17:19

having sheep just because it's cool and it looks funky, the

17:22

rare Breed Survival Trust is a place to like

17:24

look and I used to enjoy going there as a kid

17:26

and seeing different sheep and learning

17:29

about But.

17:30

That's not a good reason to get a sheep.

17:32

But if you if you decide you want to have sheep anyway,

17:35

Right, let's say you're like, I

17:38

don't know, whant a casts dispersion, So it's going to say a horsey

17:40

person, a person

17:42

who owns horses, you

17:45

know, like if that is your thing and you enjoy yeah,

17:48

a horse person, Yeah, like a centaur if

17:50

you're a centauri.

17:53

Yeah, if you are half horse, then

17:57

you know you want to you want to have sheep maybe

17:59

to check to improve

18:01

your pasture or to not let the horses syre up or

18:03

the gross Then why not?

18:06

Right? Like?

18:06

Why not?

18:07

Because like if you get a if

18:09

you get a meat sheep, it's gonna be bigger, it's gonna be more

18:11

work. If you get a very

18:14

sheet that a lot of wool, you're gonna have to share that a lot.

18:16

So maybe you just want a sheep that can kind of cruise

18:20

and be by yourself, then you

18:22

know, why not? Yeah,

18:24

So we're going to talk very

18:27

leafily about what to do when you buy a sheep,

18:29

and then we're going to pivot to some other things that

18:31

you can buy which are not as rewarding as

18:34

sheep. Yeah, which is which is? That's an ad

18:36

break that will do after that, Danel, thanks

18:38

understood?

18:39

Okay, I miss I missed that part. Afterwards I was

18:41

like, wait, no, James, don't move on quite yet. I

18:44

understand. Now, very well.

18:45

Done, thank you, Daniel. So

18:48

when you're buying sheep, I think probably

18:50

what you want to do is buy some yews that have already

18:52

been bred, or a couple of yews with twins

18:55

that they're a flock animal, right, like sheep. They

18:58

don't want to be on their own, So you don't

19:00

just go and buy like one sheep and be like, yeah, I've got a

19:02

sheep. Now, like that's not very nice. That's not

19:04

that they'll be insecure and anxious, so

19:08

they like to be with other sheep. So

19:11

I think the way we used to do it when I

19:13

was a kid was to get orphan lambs and

19:16

so like that the mother

19:18

either rejects the lamb or she

19:21

dies giving birth

19:23

right, well, which can happen.

19:26

And we used to them

19:28

bottle feed those lambs and

19:31

like you know, when they're very little, if

19:33

you go out on the hill. Do people have argus

19:35

in America? Sorry

19:37

you're looking at no? Okay, Like

19:40

it's a type of oven that like

19:42

it's always on it's a range cooker.

19:45

Oh no people people? Okay,

19:47

yeah, I can remember, like where

19:50

I.

19:50

Don't know what sheep are? You

19:53

love me to know whatever the fuck you're

19:55

talking about.

19:56

No, it's good. It's so much

19:58

learning. It's it's type of oven that like

20:01

it's in old houses and also rich people's houses.

20:03

Now it's become like a trendy thing. But

20:05

like way back in the day, I remember like

20:08

putting lambs in the bottom oven, which is like warm,

20:11

but like not cooking warm, just like

20:13

like warm warm when they were very little and they

20:15

needed to warm up. So

20:18

with often lambs, right, you're going to bottle feed them.

20:21

You're going to do the stuff that their mother does for them.

20:23

So that's a lot of work, but

20:26

you know it's a way to get going. But they are more

20:28

fragile when they're young. So what it was suggest

20:30

is buying a couple of yews that have been bred.

20:34

And then you just want to either

20:37

like if you go locally to somewhere,

20:39

then you'll you'll know that this is a type of sheep

20:41

that can survive and the type of pasture that's

20:43

near you. This is the type of sheep that can survive

20:45

in the climate that you have with the food sort of

20:47

available where you are, so it's

20:50

probably a good thing. And then you just want to check that

20:52

the sheep has some weight on it, right, and you want

20:54

to check its teeth of course, like any livestock,

20:57

you want to be.

20:57

Checking their teeth when you're buying them.

21:00

And then a thing I've run into.

21:02

What do you sorry, what are you looking for

21:04

on the teeth.

21:05

If they're all fucked up like that cheap is

21:07

not healthy, right, like like receding

21:09

gums or like kind of if

21:11

it's much older, that's you can tell.

21:13

You can normally age an animal by looking at its teeth, right,

21:15

like if you find a if

21:18

you find the remains

21:20

of an animal, to one way to see the age

21:22

of it. So yeah, you go to the auction,

21:24

right, and you don't want to check the vaccine status

21:26

as well. I've only really come

21:29

across this in the United States recently.

21:31

Some people were rage posting on the place

21:34

I go to to buy chickens because

21:36

it didn't want to buy vaccinated chickens, which

21:39

is just yea, yeah,

21:43

because Bill Gates wants to know what your chicken is

21:45

thinking, right, which is why he micro chips.

21:47

Yeah, absolutely pricks.

21:51

Yeah, if you don't want to buy vaccine, I don't know if

21:53

you're listening to the show that this is not a concern of

21:55

ours, I don't think, But yeah, check the vaccine status

21:57

just in case you got someone who try

22:00

to sell you some sheep which are more likely to get sick.

22:03

So yeah, would would if you

22:06

I can't fucking come up with an I don't know, if you

22:09

want to buy something that's no use to you and won't

22:11

give you joy instead of sheep. Here are some adverts.

22:24

Okay, so we're back and we're still talking about

22:26

sheep, and we probably will be for quite some time from page

22:28

one. So sheep

22:31

are actually they're quite clever. Sheep can

22:33

recognize human faces. They'll know who you are.

22:36

I've definitely definitely known that, Like

22:39

especially the sheep that we bottle fed from when they were

22:41

babies, right, they definitely knew who we were and.

22:43

They could be very friendly. Yeah,

22:45

it's nice. It's nice. They'll come up to you and they'll sort of

22:48

nuzzle you and you can rub them.

22:49

Our sheep were polled. That's

22:51

another thing to think about when you're getting the sheep, right, the pole

22:54

sheep that doesn't have horns where

22:57

it's some people have horns, some people

22:59

have more horns. So,

23:01

yeah, they can recognize your faces. They can learn names, so they

23:04

have a name, they can learn their name. They

23:06

also knows that they're sheep, so like I

23:09

know, my mum would just go out and go like sheep and

23:11

then she'd feed them and they'd come. So

23:15

you're thinking, you

23:17

know, they've got a positive reinforcement mechanism.

23:20

You can train sheep to go on a lead. So

23:22

another reason you might want to get sheep is you're

23:24

getting into into showing right,

23:27

A nice thing to do if you if you you know

23:29

a strange like me, I suppose it's go to like an agricultural

23:32

show and look at different types of sheep.

23:33

I like to do that.

23:36

They can be really expensive now because it's also the County

23:38

Fair and so people are going in to eat

23:40

like deep fried stuff, which

23:43

doesn't interest me as much. But if

23:45

you want to go and see it, yeah, yeah,

23:47

we could go together down I'll get a super sailor.

23:51

Up and then back at the end be like how is your day?

23:56

You won't be saddled with regret if you look at sheep

23:59

and indigesture. So

24:02

yeah, consider yeah, but it's nice

24:04

to go right. You see the breeds are popular in your area,

24:06

see different types of sheep and what people will do. At least

24:09

I've never been to it, like an actual

24:11

sort of showing sheep. I'll just go to the

24:14

to the San Diego County Fair and look at

24:16

the animals. But I've not been to a show where you walk around

24:18

with them in the US. But I used to do

24:20

that when I was a kid. I think of, you know, go to

24:22

the village show or whatever and take the sheep and

24:24

walk it around and then they'll judge

24:26

your sheep right, if it's up to the breed standards

24:29

or what have you. So, yeah, they can go

24:31

on a lead they like more of like a halter, look

24:33

around the nose, so not

24:35

not like a collar. So

24:38

that's the thing that you can do that's that interest

24:40

you. If you want to get into sheep showing. If that's the case, you're going

24:42

to want to get like a pedigree sheep

24:44

right and really get it to it. You're going to drop some money.

24:47

It's not really

24:50

like I was never a very serious

24:52

sheep show to be clear. It's just a thing for your child

24:54

to do. When you go up in a rural area.

24:58

They like I said, they like to be toge. They're

25:00

in groups. They're pretty docile. Like sheep aren't going

25:02

to fight. You're definitely

25:04

definitely Like when I was at University

25:06

of stuff, friends would come home and they'd be very scared of the sheep.

25:09

There's no reason to be scared of sheep. I

25:12

don't think I've ever heard of anyone being hurt by a sheep.

25:17

Yeah, I mean what, they're going to come at you a bit, sometimes

25:19

they're angry or whatever, but like it's

25:22

a sheep, Like it's fine, Like

25:26

I would back you serene if it came to it.

25:29

Yeah, Like yes,

25:32

and their horns are mostly like not pointed

25:34

towards you. I have been gored

25:36

by a bolt, right, like I've experienced

25:40

like livestock related injury.

25:42

Sheep is definitely on the list of animals I'm pretty sure I

25:44

could take. Yeah, pretty

25:46

sure.

25:47

This next fact is fascinating

25:49

to me. Can we get to this fact?

25:51

Yeah?

25:51

Sure, so definitely. If you're thinking breeding

25:54

and getting rams, about like

25:56

eight percent are going to be gay.

25:58

It's just a thing that's going to happen, right, getty

26:02

sheep.

26:03

Yeah, yeah, you wait

26:05

till we get to the next one. Bere is it just the thing, right, You're

26:07

going to get a sheep that's gay. It's it's a natural

26:10

part of the diversity of any species.

26:12

Kind of definitely know people who just spent a lot

26:14

of money on pedigree rams and they've turned out to be gay.

26:16

It's what it is, right,

26:19

Like that gets me about this

26:21

weird, stupid American. It's

26:23

not just an American thing. But it's like, oh, it's

26:25

not natural whatever. Like I don't know anyone who's worked

26:27

with livestock in their life, well for

26:30

for a number of years, will tell you

26:32

that they've come across a gay sheep or

26:35

cow or what have you.

26:36

Some you're also going to get.

26:37

Sometimes some sheep are called free

26:40

Martins. It's

26:42

a trans mask sheep for

26:44

the most part. It actually has some biological differences.

26:48

So like, yeah, what it

26:50

is is a female that's been accompanied

26:53

so like the twins or triplets or quads

26:56

sometimes that

26:58

has been a companied by male features in you

26:59

to so they behave

27:02

in a masculine way, and they might lack

27:05

functioning ovaries. Yeah,

27:07

you're going to get those two right there, So they're going to be a bit more

27:09

agro, like a ram about you and stuff. But it's

27:12

just to think it's part of natural diversity in

27:14

species. You're going to see it. You know, you

27:17

might have a gay sheep, lucky you, right, you

27:20

know, chair as shit, take

27:23

it, you know, it'd.

27:24

Be nice to it.

27:25

So white fleeces, right, generally we think

27:27

of sheep, but Dana was saying you don't think of a white fleece. That's

27:30

that wild sheep are often brown, right, it's being

27:33

white. It's not a great camouflage trait. So

27:35

when we see a when we see

27:37

a white sheep, that's because it's generally been selected.

27:40

Right.

27:40

So when you look at the Jacob sheep, they were

27:42

piebald, right, they had bits of brown on them on the white

27:44

fleece. Being white have a pispe dominant

27:47

trait, so it's for very quickly. And

27:50

then if you if you're looking at the wall of a sheep, you want to consider

27:52

you want fine medium, of course, wool long

27:55

wool sheep. Right, if you look up sheep with

27:57

long walls, some amazing reads

27:59

out there. Those are mostly

28:01

for breeding to get more desirable wall characteristics.

28:04

Like long wall sheep, it's going

28:06

to be quite hard to look after that sheep. Right,

28:08

Stop, it's wall getting matt in stuff. So

28:11

now we're going to get it to fencing. It's an important

28:14

topic. So you

28:17

want your fencing to be about chest high. Obviously

28:19

it depends on your height, like if you're a smaller person

28:21

a bit higher or whatever. But like

28:23

we were generally use post and rail fencing.

28:26

You don't see that as much in the US, but the

28:29

name is pretty self explanatory, right, Bang

28:32

in a post rail across the middle. Bang in a post

28:34

rail across the middle. And then you're gonna

28:36

want some netting you don't have to use

28:38

Like with chickens, we talked about using construction netting,

28:41

right, like very thin wire just

28:43

so that like things like snakes and rats

28:45

don't get in with cheap you don't need that. The You

28:47

can go with a wider mesh four

28:50

or five inches across, and

28:52

that's going to be cheaper for you.

28:54

As you're building the fence.

28:55

You can also use electric fences, and you can use

28:57

those to rotate the pasture, which is a good idea,

28:59

so that she kind of graze one area, then you move them across

29:01

to another area. That area recovers, You

29:04

move the sheep to the next area, they graze that area

29:06

where the other areas recover. Okay, you

29:09

learn about thisy surely right? Yeah,

29:11

yeah, surely.

29:12

I'm curious. How does the electric fencing do that?

29:14

Are you constantly moving it? And is that just like when

29:16

the sheep touch it, they're like, oh, not that way and go

29:18

back like.

29:21

Oh, Okay, well they're not thick. They'll touch it once and

29:23

then they won't go here maybe twice and oh yeah,

29:26

no, I'll be precisely. But so

29:28

how is it doing that. It's so that the electric fences

29:30

are like plastic posts that you stick in the ground

29:33

and then it has a metal spike on the end,

29:35

and then it's got this it's about that wide, about

29:38

inch wide. It's it's a ribbon with

29:40

little metal pits in it, and you

29:42

the post has a way of securing that ribbon to it,

29:44

so you can move that fencing around.

29:46

Okay, cool. So the reason I mean it

29:49

being electrified is kind of like secondary.

29:51

It's mostly that it's a moveable fence post.

29:54

That's why you ye grazing purposes.

29:56

Yeah, it doesn't have the same the

29:58

same structure as a normal so it has

30:01

gaps which a sheet probably could slip through

30:03

if it was just wire. Because it's electric, it's not going

30:05

to try and nuzzle its way through because it's

30:07

going to get shot. So if you're using electric fence,

30:09

just like you know, the classic way

30:11

to tell of it's on right, it is you pick up a piece

30:13

of grass and then you just touch the fence with the

30:15

grass because

30:18

the grass is a poor conductor. You're going to feel a little

30:20

bit of.

30:20

A shocking right now.

30:22

No, no, that's what you do.

30:25

Like, yeah, no, you touch it with a piece of

30:27

grass, and that's gonna you're going to

30:29

get like a slight like tingle,

30:32

but you're not going to get a full whack.

30:33

Like growing up.

30:35

The electric fences all over the place, right, I've run into them

30:37

when I was a kid and taken a whack

30:39

or like the you know, the post have a big spike on the end, So

30:41

that's very fun to throw at your friends if

30:45

you know, lasting injury.

30:47

But yeah, electric

30:49

fencing gives handy. You just took it up

30:52

to a car battery basically, so you

30:55

like, yeah, no, it's it's a good way to segment

30:57

your field if you have one field, you know, if you're not rotating

30:59

the cheap Did you really not learn about field

31:02

rotation? Sorry, I'm constantly amazed by the things

31:04

that I didn't school that Americans don't do at all.

31:07

Agriculture in any capacity. Yeah,

31:09

there was no agriculture training.

31:11

I mean at least way far I saw.

31:13

It was unlike the tub of butter.

31:15

Yeah, like that's literally what the most. I think.

31:19

I think I grew up closer than YouTube.

31:20

It was I had a corn fib my backyard, and they were Okay, we

31:22

didn't have agricultural education yet like my school,

31:25

but like there were schools so like I went

31:27

to to do like play chess

31:30

classical I was, I was a nerd, but

31:32

like there were lots of schools that like did

31:35

stuff like that because they were like war real

31:37

approach of Illinois. So that

31:39

is a thing here. I think it's

31:41

just didn't go up

31:44

in the agricultural.

31:46

I think I learned it in the context of the enclosure

31:48

of the commons in the fore field rotation and

31:50

like using lagoons to fix antrogen.

31:52

In the soil and again

31:57

blank college.

31:59

Okay, okay, well yeah, different

32:01

strokes for different folks. You know me

32:04

on Twitter dot com. If you learned about lagooms

32:07

in school, so

32:09

to be.

32:10

Cool, would have preferred to learn

32:12

about that, just to be clear, like

32:14

algebra two, forget it. I would

32:16

much rather learn about.

32:17

Lagoons whenever you use

32:19

algebra, not don someone

32:22

else is using it, but you know you, yeah,

32:24

thank of what you could be doing with nitrogen right now

32:27

if you if you were growing some peas

32:32

what if incredible things.

32:35

And so with your

32:37

sheep, depending on the breed, you're going to need

32:39

shelter, right, So that shelter could be something

32:42

like a cops a little cops

32:44

of trees that's a small

32:46

it's big, smaller than a wood.

32:48

It is a copse.

32:50

So you're going to need a decent amount of trees for shelter.

32:52

Some will need more shelter than others, right, depending

32:55

on how hardy they are. Some

32:57

of them will want to lamb inside and

33:00

some of them are able to lamb

33:02

outside. But they all will

33:04

need some shelter and foul weather. Right, and

33:07

you'll see that they're very good at like knowing where to shelter.

33:09

But then you've got to you can't leave them out, Like when

33:12

I'm in agricultural states in America where

33:14

these giant prairies, you know that you don't have hedgerows

33:17

in the same way that we did where I grew up.

33:20

Then you if you are there

33:22

and you're trying to have some pep, you're going to need to build a shelter

33:24

for them.

33:26

And the question about the shelter, yeah, yeah,

33:28

is it? What's what's the shape of the shelter. Is it

33:30

kind of like is it like a house? Is it

33:33

more like barn.

33:33

Like it's depending on the

33:35

breed. No, not like barn like, you have a barn to

33:38

bring them in. Like so we used to lamb inside, right,

33:40

and then you just use palette to divide it up,

33:42

and the palettes you put each of you in

33:44

there with her lamb.

33:47

And we'll get onto that. Cops are barnes.

33:49

Joke is not going to happen. Okay,

33:52

sorry, Daniel, that's okay,

33:54

I'll let you down again. That's okay, it's not

33:56

on you.

33:58

But yeah, you'll see all kinds of things. You'll see

34:01

thanks, You'll see it like people just put

34:03

a little stone shelters. You know, if you have

34:05

a if you have a prevailing wind that

34:08

like rips through and it's cold wind, then

34:10

you know you might want to build something just to shelter them from that prevailing

34:13

wind. But they just you know, if it's like

34:15

a big undifferentiated prairie, and

34:18

especially lambs, right, they're more fragile, they're

34:20

younger, and sometimes you'll see the lambs wearing little

34:22

coats and little little jackets

34:24

that they can wear. Yeah,

34:27

you can google that just like you google

34:29

lambs orange jacket

34:31

and you can get these little little plastic

34:34

jackets for them. But you do

34:36

need to be cautious with lambs when they're young sometimes,

34:39

like I say, you'll have the midside. Thing

34:42

with sheep regarding feeding

34:44

is that they are ruminants.

34:46

Do we know what ruminant animals are? No?

34:49

No?

34:49

Yes, absolute, massively failed

34:51

by your educations.

34:53

And it's a ruminant.

34:56

It chooses the cud. So

34:58

when it eats the food, right, it goes to

35:00

the roomen and then it

35:03

holds the food. The food's regurgitating.

35:07

What the cow it has like multiple

35:09

stomachs, yes, yeah, yeah, like the

35:12

first stomach yeah,

35:15

So the rooman's a big stomach, right, and

35:17

it's in there that it's like a storage

35:19

space really.

35:20

So the food goes in their chills for a bit and

35:22

then it's regurgitated, chewed back up and then

35:24

re swallowed.

35:26

And that is the cud. That process

35:29

is called chewing the cud. Yeah, chewing the

35:32

cud. That is the right.

35:34

So is that entire process chewing the

35:36

cud like it going into the ruminant and then being

35:38

regurgitated or is it strictly just the

35:40

chewing that happened before they eat it again.

35:43

It's a chewing that happens when they eat

35:46

it again. Right, So like the first eating,

35:48

it's just eating. The second eating she

35:50

reads having a physical reaction.

35:54

It is.

35:55

It's extremely narly.

35:57

That's how they get the most out of like this relatively

35:59

lean past right, They're very clever adaption.

36:03

Yeah, so yeah, that's how That's

36:06

how sheep eat. So that means that they need to have

36:08

access to pasture. They

36:11

also need lots of water. So

36:13

again, if you're in like a desert place, I should

36:15

ask Navaho folks. I know Navaho folks,

36:18

I should ask them how they do with their tura sheep because

36:20

it's not a densely watered

36:22

place there. But generally that they need access

36:25

to water. I'm sure they have places where

36:27

they have good access to water. And then,

36:29

like I said, you do want to rotate them around, right,

36:32

You can feed them, you can supplement with

36:34

like hay or halage or silage stuff like

36:36

that, but you shouldn't really like you

36:39

can't keep your feet sheep in a place where there's

36:41

no pasture. Really, you don't want to be feeding them all yet,

36:43

they need varied pasture right with different

36:45

things, you know, clovers and grasses

36:47

and the stuff that's poisonous

36:50

for them, so that there are different weeds sort of poisonous

36:52

for them. You're just going to want to It depends

36:54

where you live, right, you're listening to this in the UK. It's

36:56

different to North America, probably different to South

36:58

America. So you want to check that

37:00

out again. When you're buying a sheet, you can ask these kind

37:02

of questions and go ahead and pull those out

37:06

so so you can you can feed them grain. But

37:09

you really only want to do that sort of durin

37:11

or just before lambing. It can lead to

37:14

overfeeding. It's too rich for them, right,

37:16

Like they're designed with this ruminant

37:18

system to you know, have these green leafy

37:21

things. People

37:23

can use bagged feeds too,

37:26

you know, again, you don't want to rely on those whole time.

37:28

They're expensive. Don't use cow food like

37:31

bagged cattle food. It's not going to work for sheep.

37:34

And they need like a mineral lick too,

37:37

So you're like, I'm sure you're all familiar with salt licks.

37:40

Yeah, that's yeah, that's it's a similar

37:42

thing, right, they'll

37:44

just come up and lick that. They know when they need

37:46

the salt or the minerals, so do they just

37:49

they know so they'll just come come

37:51

and lick it. So

37:53

you just put that out in the field. It's pretty chill,

37:56

don't let so. A big problem we had was like

37:59

we had some cheat in the field next to our house

38:01

and they were our sheep. There was someone else's sheep, but like for

38:03

ever getting into the garden, mainly because I'm terrible

38:05

at closing gates and

38:07

doors, and so

38:10

they would get into the garden. You do want to be careful. They

38:12

will go ham like it is

38:14

the time of their lives. When they get in your garden.

38:16

They can eat all your plants. But you

38:18

do want to watch out for things like rhododendron which

38:20

can be dangerous to them and

38:23

they can be poisonous. So if you've got stuff in your garden,

38:25

either don't have stuff as poisons to sheep or or

38:27

be aware, you know, if

38:29

they're getting in there, head to the rhododendrons

38:31

and head them off at the past sharene

38:34

would you would you like to insert your.

38:37

Well, you're

38:39

just the shepherd and we are the

38:42

herd following you.

38:45

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38:47

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38:50

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Unparalleled. Yeah,

39:13

we need Dan a little more podcasts.

39:15

It's kind of energy is magical.

39:18

So yeah, sharing right, Sharing sheep

39:20

a very important part of having sheep. So

39:23

this can be hard to mask. If you're trying to get the wool off in

39:25

like a full fleece, which is ideally how you want to do it,

39:27

right, you don't, You're not just like it's not like when

39:29

you go to the barbers, you know, and

39:31

they just go at you and his hair on the floor. You're looking to take

39:33

it off as a complete fleece, and there's a technique to

39:35

that's

39:38

you're just not going to fucking get it straight away, like

39:40

you're going to have to learn or you're going to have to pay someone to

39:42

do it. I don't really know how that works in America

39:44

again, because like there's not such a density

39:46

of sheep, so maybe that's not someone who does it, And

39:49

lots of this stuff are getting your US ultra sounded

39:51

when they're pregnant. I'm not sure

39:53

how you go about that in an affordable

39:56

manner in the United States, Like if you have a

39:58

large animal vet, you can ask them, but you

40:00

do want to do that right to check that how

40:02

many lambs you've got and stuff. But

40:06

yeah, so if I

40:09

guess you're just going to have to learn or give it a try. Like

40:11

as long as you're not hurting the sheep, if you're taking it

40:13

off in clumps, suppose it's not that bad. Just

40:15

you know, if you don't want to be nipping and hurting the sheep

40:17

itself when you're shearing, right, And

40:20

that's just like if you if you're a person who shaves

40:22

or you know, cuts her own hair or what

40:24

have you know it's not pleasant if you nick the skin.

40:27

Yeah, so sheep need to

40:29

get rid of the hair. Yes,

40:32

then if we didn't exist, how would

40:34

they do that?

40:35

Well, we wouldn't have bred them selectively to have

40:38

such dents and long fleeces if we didn't

40:40

exist. So there

40:42

are hair sheep which which have hair

40:44

instead of wool, and those

40:47

sheep.

40:47

Don't need to don't need to be shorn.

40:49

But because for centuries we've

40:51

bred them to be woolier because

40:54

we like the wool, then now we have we've

40:56

made our bed and we have to line it right, Like the

40:59

sheep depends on us and we depend on the sheep. It's

41:01

like it's like the Yin and yang and you

41:04

know of sheep husband.

41:06

That we created without their permission.

41:08

Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah the sheep sheep that

41:11

has been forced upon the Yeah

41:14

yeah, maybe that's it's not a not

41:17

a consensual relationship. So

41:20

yeah, that what happens here. And if you don't share

41:22

them, and some some you'll need to do twice a year, some

41:25

once a year, some you worn't at all. If the hairshet

41:27

right, but they'll get like matted walls,

41:29

so like the like the who

41:32

and other things will like like just if you like,

41:34

if you don't wash your hair for a long time, you know, it

41:36

gets kind of knotted and matted.

41:37

Got it? Got it? Yeah? Yeah so

41:40

that and also they can get over heat, say no more to

41:45

go further. Yeah

41:47

that makes sense though, that makes sense. Yeah.

41:49

I don't know how you sell well in the USA. Uh,

41:52

you know, just get on Etsy and do something with

41:54

it if you want to sell. I suppose you

41:56

know, learn to learn to spin, get a spinning wheel,

41:59

you learn to car card the wool

42:01

and then spin it and then knit

42:03

it and then sell it. I suppose it will

42:06

keep things for yourself. It'd be fun, you know

42:08

if you have free time.

42:09

What is carding?

42:10

Yeah, it's when you're

42:12

like like taking the wool and like

42:14

like combing it.

42:16

Uh huh, pulling it.

42:20

I'm not super mamny with stuff. I remember again.

42:24

See, it's just a different world, isn't it.

42:26

See we would go to like the Black Country

42:28

Museum when I was a kid in school.

42:31

Not a racial thing.

42:33

It's just a uh it's it's a part

42:35

of it's part of Britain where there

42:38

was a lot of industry. And one

42:40

of the things I would do was like, oh, this is how people used

42:42

to do wool, you

42:44

know, like the spinning Jenny

42:46

and like before that, like in cottage industry when people

42:49

would make it at home. Okay, Well, like when

42:51

you go to the Rabberry Survival Trust

42:53

and I think, I bet they'll let you do some spinning

42:55

or carding when you're going there.

42:58

I got a quick explanation for you. Got a quick

43:00

explanation for you. So if

43:02

for those folks at home who have hairy

43:04

animals, you know those kind of like brushes

43:07

that have fine little metal bristles on them,

43:10

and you're brushing, you just take off like a huge clump of hair.

43:12

Now you take a imagine

43:15

you take a fresh piece of wall straight

43:17

off of the sheep and you put it

43:19

on there, and then you just kind of tease

43:22

it out to form it into what

43:24

looks more like like raw

43:26

wool that you're used to, as opposed to looking

43:28

like it was just taking off a sheep. You're turning into

43:30

the raw wall that will then be spun. I'm

43:34

looking at it right now, and it

43:36

looks absolutely exhausting.

43:39

Yes. Fun sorry, yes, fun.

43:41

Yeah, fun, good thing to do, you know, like get

43:44

Once Twitter inevitably collapses, we

43:46

can return with a v to

43:48

tradition and do this sort of stuff instead.

43:51

You know, yeah, I'm sure

43:54

texting everybody videos may return

43:56

to tradition. People already do it.

43:58

It's nice for your hand. It's very nice for your hands

44:01

just generally handling because they have lanolin, right, lannelin

44:04

this kind of natural I think it's like a soap

44:07

thing like it makes lathering, but it's

44:09

very good for softening your skin. So you'll

44:12

see you'll notice it's nice for your hands when you're handling the sheep,

44:14

right, You'll notice

44:16

that's nice hand feeling. It's

44:20

not expensive like hand cream. You're

44:23

going to have to make sure that you train your sheep's hooves.

44:25

So depending on your size

44:28

and the sheep size and yeah, and your sort

44:30

of skill handling sheep,

44:32

you might want to get a sheep flipper. We

44:35

got one from my mum a couple.

44:36

Of years ago.

44:36

It's just a device that helps you

44:38

turn the sheep so that you can clip its hooves

44:42

instead of just getting in there with the knee.

44:44

And there's a way to do it, and a lot of this stuff

44:47

you can learn on YouTube, like I've I

44:49

checked before this, and there's definitely videos on how to turn

44:51

them over and clip the hoofs. So

44:55

yeah, you can give it a try. That doesn't work,

44:57

you can get a sheep flipper. You you

45:01

sort of yeah, you sort to drop your knee into it and turn it over.

45:03

I'm so happy that there is an advice that

45:06

exists called the sheep flipper. Like

45:10

this has made my day measurably better.

45:12

Yeah, yeah, I'll send you some videos.

45:15

There's some good videos of me trying

45:18

to turn my mum's sheep like

45:20

so we can click their hooves and it was like wet and

45:22

slippery and me just fetching myself on my ass

45:24

into dead and the sheep just like

45:27

making a bit for freedom. So

45:30

yeah, you watch a couple of videos, you can work it out and if

45:32

it doesn't work for you can get a seat sheep flipper.

45:34

You're going to have to do things like dipping and

45:37

deworming your sheep too. It's your

45:39

the wormer you just put in their mouth. It's like a It

45:42

goes in the mouth and you squeeze.

45:45

It looks a bit like a gun, I suppose, or.

45:48

Like a it's like a little tiny pipe,

45:50

like maybe a quarter of an inch size. You're pinky and

45:52

it goes in and you suppress the

45:54

thing and it dispenses a dose. It kind of just gets it

45:56

behind their tongues, so don't spit it out.

45:57

Dispensed. It's a bit of wormer. Gun was the up

46:00

perfect word to use for my americanized brain.

46:02

I'm totally yeah.

46:03

I thought, yeah, yeah, I was going to you know, thinking

46:05

gun, hot dog, bulld egle or what reference

46:08

would you understand? So

46:11

you know you're gonna also have to dip your sheep to

46:13

prevent things like scab and

46:16

so that's just literally when the sheep dipped

46:19

in this stuff, that sort of cleans

46:21

them. Right, So

46:25

there are mobile sheep dips, so you can just go to

46:27

a sheep dip, take your sheep to a sheep They can do it

46:29

there. Again, I'm not I've

46:31

never seen one in the US. I'm sure there are some,

46:35

but I'm not sure

46:37

how you do that. Think you can also spray them for

46:40

this, and you'll want to check. Obviously, all kind

46:42

of dips a legal legal, and

46:45

you don't want to be dipping them with cuts, so like if you

46:47

have just been through your shearing and you've

46:49

cut them up, that's not a good time to do it. And you don't

46:51

want to dip thirsty sheep either for

46:53

obvious reasons. Right, what they're going into is

46:55

not certainly want to be drinking. So

46:58

predation predations an interesting topic.

47:02

Sheep are not really great at defending

47:04

themselves, and they just kind

47:06

of big flufs. They can sort of butt a little

47:08

bit with their heads and then they do do that, and

47:12

they'll defend their their their

47:14

little lambs. And when we

47:16

were little and we had dogs, if

47:19

the dog, when it was a puppy, would chase sheep,

47:22

you could put the dog in a

47:24

little pen with a you and her lambs

47:26

and then you would be like heay, get away, get away, get

47:28

away, leave my lambs alone, and that then the

47:31

dog would would be less likely to chase

47:33

sheep again because it's had this. Probably

47:35

not great to get a dog a traumatic experience and

47:37

the U I suppose, but they'll

47:40

defend their their lambs like that. But you know, when

47:42

you've got especially if you're in North America,

47:44

right, you've got like mountain lions, you've got coyotes,

47:46

you've got bobcats,

47:49

all kinds of bigger stuff than I'm

47:51

used to. So a couple

47:53

of options there. You've got guardian

47:55

animals, right, so something like a lama, a

47:58

donkey, or like

48:00

a livestock guardian dog. Me

48:03

is enjoying the idea of a guardian donkey.

48:06

But the couple of different

48:09

benefits to each one of lama. Lama can

48:11

be pretty mean, and I'm sure you guys have

48:13

seen them, Like I've

48:15

been spat on by a few lama. They'll

48:18

they'll kick, yeah, then they're bitey,

48:20

and it's just really sort of

48:22

obnoxious creatures. But

48:26

that yeah, that they don't mess about, So those

48:28

are decent. You know, it

48:30

looks like one of the sheep is just wildly deformed.

48:32

If it's running around with the sheep. You

48:35

can get donkey. Donkeys also quite

48:37

defensive and very loud, so you know, if your

48:39

sheep are in a field near

48:41

your house and you have a donkey, it's

48:44

going to kick off at night, something happens making

48:47

its characteristic donkey noises, and that

48:49

will give you chance to respond

48:53

and then you've got your livestock. Guardian

48:55

breeds right like like Pyrenees is

48:58

a great example. People

49:00

will probably have seen my pictures of the stations Udicorn

49:02

Rutch. They have Pyrenees dogs very

49:05

helpful as you when you're being attacked by bigots

49:08

because the dogs dogs will bark, but

49:11

guardian dogs are like inherently they want to guide

49:13

your sheep. So they'll just go out there and they'll move

49:15

among the flock and they'll bark

49:18

and run off any attackers

49:21

and they're very again, it's entirely in

49:23

their breeding to do it.

49:25

It's very funny actually, because chuds have this like I'm

49:27

a sheep dog thing, you know when when they walk around

49:29

with like five knives and two guns

49:31

and pepper spray, and then

49:34

they always have a picture of border collie that is not

49:36

what the border collie dogs a border collie is

49:38

like a dog with extreme anxiety

49:40

that is obsessed with collective security.

49:43

And we'll just like border

49:45

collie's naturally heard things,

49:47

right, So I'm sure like you've

49:49

seen people seen like One Man

49:51

his dog the TV program again,

49:56

it used to be on a Sunday nights when I was

49:58

little. It's

50:01

it's a competition as a sheep herding

50:03

with dogs competition, they're

50:06

rules. Yeah, oh yeah,

50:08

perhaps.

50:10

One of them.

50:10

I've met American people who do this competitively,

50:14

but I think it's more of a

50:17

hobby than a way of life. But yeah,

50:19

so if you you can google one Man this dog and

50:21

watch different competitions. Obviously it's

50:24

not gendered and it can

50:26

be a person and their dog. But

50:29

yeah, that's what border colligues do, right, They heard the sheep.

50:31

And when they're little, like you can start them out with herding

50:33

chickens or ducks in your in your like

50:36

if you have a farm yard, they'll they'll

50:38

go out there and hurd ducks just by themselves. They want

50:40

to do it just in their

50:42

breeding. But a guardian dog

50:44

does not do that. It just protects.

50:47

But I think this is one of the things that we

50:49

spoke about with with chickens, right,

50:51

Like, if you want to have

50:53

sheep, you're probably going

50:55

to have to either, Like well,

50:57

if you're not willing to defend them for predators, you probably shouldn't

50:59

have them because it's a bit mean to just put them out there.

51:02

It's like coyote bait, a

51:04

lion bait or whatever, Like

51:06

you might have to shoot something that looks like a dog if

51:08

you don't want your sheep to die, and like it's

51:11

just how it's going to go down, you know, Like it's

51:16

not everyone has to have livestock.

51:18

I'm not a person who eats animals,

51:20

so like it's.

51:22

I mean, I think, similar to chickens,

51:24

most people shouldn't have chickens or

51:27

sheep, you know what I mean. The vast

51:29

majority of.

51:29

People, in my opinion, are

51:32

better off not doing

51:34

that, just because, like I don't think people realize

51:36

the responsibility. Even with all this information.

51:39

I think some people get too they

51:43

jump the gun for lack of a better.

51:45

Fucking term, yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah,

51:47

totally, Like don't be rushing into getting livestock.

51:49

Like it's very like

51:51

I've seen people do it before. I've seen people do the

51:54

whole like, you know, I'll

51:56

quit my job as a banker and come and live on a farm

51:58

thing, and like they just don't

52:00

go and work on someone's fun. Right, if you want

52:02

to do that, you learn if you didn't

52:04

grow up in this, Like there are a million things that I'm not

52:06

telling you, and I'm forgetting to tell you that I take

52:08

for granted. And like

52:12

it just it takes time, and it's complicated

52:14

and and sometimes it's very

52:16

sad, right, Like I said, she gets sick and they die and

52:19

that's sad, and they get

52:22

predated, and that's very sad. Lambs get

52:24

predated. It's really sad. So like, I

52:27

don't know, it's not for everyone. It's

52:29

certainly having a flock of sheep is quite

52:31

big. And you can't you know, can't be like,

52:33

oh right, I'm off to

52:37

right.

52:38

I don't think a lot of people have the land even

52:40

necessary for that, So

52:42

I don't know.

52:43

Yeah, anyway, a few.

52:44

I'm so passionate about this that I actually.

52:47

Have to go now, Okay,

52:51

I believe it. Yes, Okay,

52:54

I have to record something else with that voice, So.

52:58

Until next time.

52:59

Yeah, keep on parking by

53:07

Okay, We're going to briefly cover lambing

53:09

and then we're we can be done. So,

53:13

like I said, you can pick up orphan lambs a

53:15

good way to add to your flock. The

53:18

thing with little baby lambs

53:20

is when when they're firstborn, right, if the mother

53:23

is either won't feed them, sometimes she

53:25

won't feed them, or she

53:27

dies, they're going to need

53:30

what's called colostrum. Familiar

53:33

with colostrum that.

53:35

It sounds more familiar. I feel like it

53:37

was.

53:39

Briefly it was like an athletic performance

53:41

supplement tread, but like it's

53:44

it's the milk that comes in the first twenty four hours sexual

53:46

rich we'll

53:48

need yeah, or from

53:51

whatever animal right, and any mammal.

53:53

I would imagine milk produced

53:55

by the memory glands of humans and other

53:57

mammals immediately following delivery

53:59

of the new born. Yeah,

54:02

yeah, that's so better summary than I made

54:04

Thank you down.

54:07

Yeah.

54:07

Always, So they're

54:09

gonna need about five hundred mills on the first day.

54:12

I think it's about a pint.

54:14

It's you

54:17

want it to be warm, so you can buy frozen cloussum.

54:19

You can buy powdered classroom, but

54:21

you don't want to microwave it. The clossroom has some antibodies

54:24

in it. Which help the little

54:26

sheeps like stumbach i suppose

54:28

get ready for the world, so

54:31

it's why you don't want to microwave it. So

54:34

generally they're pretty easy to bottle feed. Like

54:37

if you stick your finger in, the lamb will

54:39

just like start sucking on that. It's

54:42

a good sign that it's you know, it's ready to

54:44

bottle feed, and it's easy to bottle feed, so

54:46

that you can sometimes do that's kind of a way to lure

54:49

them in and then start bottle feeding them. Sometimes

54:51

you have to sort of rub them a bit to get them to feed,

54:54

and then they like

54:57

to have their milk powder of the if you're doing powdered

54:59

milk, right, if with these awful lambs, but every four

55:01

hours, and you're just going to

55:03

gradually increase the amount you feed them, and

55:06

you know they'll need things like a heat lamp right

55:09

to keep them warm because they don't have that big heat

55:13

sink of their mum embedding and water.

55:15

And you know, a bit later you

55:17

can it's a bit easier, right, you can get a bucket with

55:19

teats, so you just you're literally

55:21

screwing the teats that go on a milk bottle onto

55:25

the bucket instead, so they can drink of that. But

55:28

it's a lot of work getting awful lambs. Like they'll

55:31

want to eat about every four hours. It doesn't matter if

55:33

you're sleeping, they still want to eat.

55:35

So like I can remember doing that a lot when

55:37

it's little, and you

55:41

can get like once

55:43

the lamb gets a bit older, you're going to want to do things

55:45

like you might want to castrate it,

55:47

depending, you might want to dock its tail, depending,

55:50

you might want to vaccinate it or you do want to vaccinate

55:53

it. But also like they

55:55

need time to be social with other sheeps, so like you

55:57

can't just get one awful lamb and raise it like

56:00

some kind of sheep person

56:02

that they need to play with other sheep. They need

56:04

to time to run around. They

56:08

can be quite fun that they'll follow you around often,

56:10

but the law and sheep that you get sort of run around

56:12

and they'll follow you around, so that's kind of fun. And

56:16

then you do eventually, like if

56:18

you especially if you're raising a lot of

56:21

orphan lambs, you're going to

56:23

have ram lambs, right, and so you're either

56:25

going to have to castrate those or

56:28

sell them because

56:30

you're going to create an issue of inbreeding within

56:32

your flock. Otherwise if you

56:35

just keep all the lambs right, And so

56:38

that's the thing to think about. If you're going to have sheep, at

56:41

some point you're either going to need to buy more or

56:43

breed them. And if you're going to breed them, what are you going to do with the

56:45

ram lambs? So you

56:48

can castrate them, they become weathers and that's generally

56:51

where meat comes from that people

56:53

eat. You don't want to participate

56:55

in that. You're

56:58

just going to pass it on someone else's right, you

57:00

know, think the Unfortunately,

57:02

this is commercial agriculture, even

57:05

if you don't eat meat, like it's about killing

57:07

animals, which is why I.

57:10

Don't like to do that.

57:12

Yes, so with lambs, when you've

57:14

got pregnant use you'll want to scan them, see

57:16

how many lambs there are, and that helps you make feeding

57:19

decisions for the pregnant you. That's

57:23

sort of when you can look

57:26

at like how many lambs are coming right,

57:28

how much does she need to eat? And

57:30

then once you've done this, you want to get your barn ready

57:32

for lambing.

57:33

Just put.

57:34

We used to use pallets, you know, palettes things come on

57:36

when you buy like a lot of sheep

57:39

food for instance. You know it comes on a palette

57:41

with a forklift can get under. You can just use

57:43

those to separate out little stalls from to lamb

57:45

in, put some straw in there, and then

57:48

when they lamb, just because again

57:50

they've been bread selectively for so long, they

57:53

can sometimes strugger, struggle deliver.

57:56

And if you're

57:58

of the means to so, having a vet

58:01

of course is lovely, right, like a large animal vet.

58:04

But generally people who have farming commerc who

58:06

don't have the resources to do that, it's

58:08

just it's just not doesn't fit with you know, the

58:10

cost of doing that. So you mostly do

58:12

it yourself, like I've done it a lot. You

58:14

and you want to get yourself a full arm glove,

58:17

like a full plastic glove that

58:19

gets like a sleeve glove, and then you can you

58:21

can do a lot in terms of like turning the lamb around

58:23

if it's coming out the wrong way, or helping the

58:25

delivery. And I'll leave you to

58:27

google that on your own time.

58:30

But you just need to do all that one No, it's

58:33

yeah, it's a miracle of life, Daniel. Then

58:37

you just beautiful

58:40

things beautiful in its own ways.

58:42

Yeah.

58:42

It's really sweet when you get the lamb out and you're like, ah,

58:44

yeah, I turn it around and it's get it pops up

58:46

and it does a little shake and it stands on itsself

58:48

feet. It's very sweet. It's

58:51

kind of amazing compared to human babies. Human babies

58:53

come out and like I've seen a few human

58:55

babies and they're just like not particularly useful

58:57

or capable in their early life. Lambs

59:00

come out and they like they get up and they can run

59:02

around and they can suckle, and like, you know,

59:04

within twenty four hours they're like a functional

59:07

tiny sheep. So

59:09

that that's going nice. So you

59:11

do want to when they're when they're when they're born,

59:13

right, you just sort of get into the little little

59:15

nose and mouth area and just clear that

59:18

from anything that might be blocking it, just so they can breathe.

59:21

You can use a bit of straw to get into the little nostrils

59:24

just just to sort of get any any mucus

59:27

or whatever out, and then

59:29

you cut the umbilical cord up stay and disinfect

59:31

that just with somebiodine. I

59:33

think you can see actually that I send you one picture

59:35

of a lamb last night where it's you can see where it's been

59:37

disinfected and it's umbilical cord. Sometimes

59:42

you just want to strip a couple of like

59:44

you just want to check that you can give

59:47

milk. Sometimes the teats can get plugged up and they're

59:49

pregnantce you just give it a little little

59:51

squeeze. Yes,

59:53

So then then within a week and I want to do

59:55

things like docking tails and castrating. Some

59:58

some breeds can I'm outside,

1:00:01

but some can't. So again, this is all stuff

1:00:03

to consider when you're trying to buy your sheep.

1:00:05

Right.

1:00:06

The last thing I've got about lambing is

1:00:08

sometimes you use will reject the lamb. You

1:00:10

can either try and like hold the u in place

1:00:13

so the lamb can suckle, or

1:00:15

if she's really hurting them, then you take them away and then you

1:00:17

have to look after them yourself. And

1:00:20

then they become your little friends and

1:00:22

you can give them names. Yeah, it's

1:00:25

very sweet, fine, like I said, unfortunately,

1:00:30

yeah, yeah, right. This

1:00:32

is a thing with commercial agriculture, right, Like it's

1:00:35

the nature of the thing, Like if you're you

1:00:37

have cattle, what are you going to do with the with

1:00:40

the you know, any male offspring

1:00:42

of any species, right, even if you just had the sheep

1:00:44

and you want to have them for milk, cool, But

1:00:47

they're not going to continue lactating for their whole life,

1:00:49

so they're going to have to have lambs, and then

1:00:51

they're going to have to have lambs. You're going to have to decide what you want to do

1:00:53

with the ram lambs, and so it's a difficult

1:00:55

thing. It's not for everyone, but yeah, she wonderful

1:00:58

creatures, very friends. You

1:01:00

know, if you're walking past, you could you could see if someone's

1:01:02

trained them to come to the words sheep just

1:01:04

by shouting sheep at them.

1:01:07

And if not, you know, passes by will

1:01:09

think you've correctly identified the species,

1:01:11

So big

1:01:14

dub for you either way. Yeah,

1:01:18

the sheep is a wonderful animal. They're

1:01:20

very friendly of all the farm animals. I

1:01:22

think they're my favorite and just

1:01:25

growing up around them. If you're

1:01:27

small, like you know, only do it if

1:01:29

you're a very little human, probably not

1:01:31

old enough to listen to some of the content we broadcast.

1:01:34

If your agent want to be in like single digits, but

1:01:36

you can ride them. You

1:01:38

can sort of sit on them, fold on

1:01:40

the shoulders and ride them around.

1:01:42

Wow.

1:01:42

Really it's not a

1:01:44

controlled experience like it's just going to run

1:01:46

because it doesn't. It doesn't like

1:01:49

you on its back, and you know, it might not be

1:01:51

very nice for sheep thinking about it. But yeah,

1:01:55

many many wonderful things

1:01:57

you can do with sheep. They're very rewarding to have,

1:01:59

I will say. But yeah, it's sad. It's also

1:02:01

a difficult thing. So yeah,

1:02:04

it did something too. Consider if you if

1:02:06

you do milk, then they make good cheese. I think

1:02:08

that's the primary reason that people

1:02:10

dairy sheep.

1:02:11

It is for cheese.

1:02:11

I don't think many people are drinking

1:02:14

sheep milk. You know, please

1:02:16

don't let me know if you are. It's fine, I'm happy for

1:02:18

you. No

1:02:21

need, there's no need to share now.

1:02:24

Yeah sheep. The every every wool

1:02:26

pair of socks, very wool jumper that you have,

1:02:28

every sheep's cheese

1:02:31

that you eat, comes from these wonderful animals. Now

1:02:34

you know a little more about and you can get sheep

1:02:36

soad too. That's my last plug for this sheep. So

1:02:38

it looks like a sheep, but in the middle

1:02:40

of it it's so cute. Yeah, it's very good for

1:02:43

washing your hands and maybe one

1:02:45

day we will have cool zoned media sheep

1:02:47

soap for you to buy.

1:02:49

Yeah, it's not pictures of it, and it was that's a

1:02:51

past for me. But you know what, there's a lot

1:02:53

of people there who so more

1:02:56

power. More power to them.

1:02:58

Yeah, disappointing Daniel and sheep.

1:03:00

Actually, yeah, put post

1:03:02

pictures of your sheep and tag me and

1:03:04

various social media someone some people already

1:03:07

do. But yeah,

1:03:09

that's that's about what I got on sheep and any sheep questions

1:03:11

before we go.

1:03:13

I mean, you know, I will say each new

1:03:15

sheep fact brought up another sheep question.

1:03:18

But I think you did a great job of explaining

1:03:21

owning sheep, taking care of sheep, rearing, sheep

1:03:23

lambing. I mean

1:03:26

I've I've come away with

1:03:28

with a with a whole bale full of

1:03:31

knowledge about sheepis me?

1:03:33

What about you?

1:03:35

Yeah, I've learned there's

1:03:38

the sheep flippers. I can't getting sheep

1:03:41

flippers, r KO, and your

1:03:43

sheep is great.

1:03:45

Yeah, we can do one way. You teach me one

1:03:47

r KO.

1:03:48

It's down. I

1:03:50

will teach you by showing you as opposed to performing

1:03:52

it. But yes, I will, I will tell you, definitely teach you.

1:03:55

Yeah, that's our next live show. But

1:04:01

yeah, I enjoy the stuff that you now know

1:04:03

about sheep everyone.

1:04:05

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1:04:28

plug anything before we leave? Mia

1:04:30

you go first?

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Oh, I got nothing, I got I got

1:04:33

elon musk got me so I don't have social media

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anymore?

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Here you go? Yeah.

1:04:38

Yeah, I guess if you're in the US, check out Navajoate.

1:04:40

You're a sheep every cool Navajoach're

1:04:43

a sheep association. You

1:04:45

know it's good to support indigenous

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folks. The rest of us will be sheep farming. I'm stolen

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Land in facts. It's

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all everything we're doing is all stolen Land.

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It magic, Thank you, Dano

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