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into the Tv show Love on the Spectrum.

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I again or that what's your name Kate

0:59

as as mean showcase. Love of

1:01

the Spectrum follow several love birds as they

1:03

navigate the world of dating. I

1:06

don't think we're

1:08

compatible. And.

1:10

I adore the participants on the show,

1:13

all of whom are on the Autism

1:15

spectrum. In a world full of reality

1:17

tv villains and villainous is it's been

1:19

really fun to watch a group of

1:22

charismatic and herring individuals who are honestly

1:24

looking for love. My name is Caitlin.

1:26

I'm twenty four years old and I'm

1:28

single. I'm looking for boyfriend. Why

1:31

do you want to fandom? I die alone.

1:33

and amid all the dates, there

1:35

is one person who seems to

1:37

connect with everyone. Relationship Coach Jennifer

1:39

Cook Low Are you Tanner? Mr.

1:41

Montana? It's nice to meet you.

1:43

I'm Jennifer. As me to do number. As

1:45

the participants swim through the dating pool, they

1:48

have check ins and advice calls with Jennifer

1:50

brings her own experience as someone with autism

1:52

into the fold. So many folks don't feel

1:54

good in their own skin. They may be

1:57

in the middle of the crowd, but I

1:59

feel lonely. Connected not

2:01

seen and I think

2:03

that cheesy These these.

2:06

Food. Ended

2:08

up. Making everybody see all connected is

2:11

as we all released this week.

2:13

We're getting all up in the

2:15

mind of the shows. Relationship Close

2:17

to understand. How her unique approach

2:19

to dating on the spectrum as lessons

2:21

for assault. Jennifer.

2:25

Welcome to it's been a minute! Thank you so much!

2:27

I'm so excited to be here with. You have

2:29

some say they have you year the

2:32

students his art is what does the

2:34

been like for you to work. With

2:36

people who are also on the spectrum and

2:38

see them learn things from you or even

2:40

through the so master some of the skills

2:43

that that yeah we had to these taught

2:45

them but also skills that you really. Had

2:47

to work hard to master. I

2:49

see are like under heard it's

2:51

Christmas you know I did everything.

2:53

Lunch Counter. His absolute sweetheart. When I

2:56

told him that he didn't know what

2:58

else to say, he could say. I

3:00

don't know what else to say, but I'm having. A really

3:02

good time and take a hit. The

3:04

amazing else to say but I'm having

3:06

a really good time. And

3:08

the he actually uses that on

3:11

Estate Birmingham I was series like

3:13

a madwoman so you know. Oh

3:15

and say yes because year earlier

3:17

on their side in you want

3:19

people to be genuinely. Happy and you

3:21

want things to go? Well. As soon

3:23

as as if you hear it that's

3:25

just starts and stuff. Us it

3:27

is could set to that point. I love

3:30

the wages. People about flow of conversations

3:32

with outlined how when you go on

3:34

a date viewers how are things you

3:36

care about you when asked to the

3:38

questions but certify it's. They. Feel the

3:40

city pacific of you have to leave

3:43

space just for the other person to

3:45

get to their interests and their curiosity.

3:47

And I love how you coats. People

3:49

to ask their dates

3:51

questions. It's not something that I was

3:54

necessarily time, and that's a day. I say

3:56

it seriously. In a relationship is a beautiful

3:58

thing. For. The most hard.

4:01

folks. Feel like. That. The

4:03

definition of being charismatic. Sprayed is showing

4:05

up and been the one that's in

4:07

the cellar, the room because you are

4:09

all that real. Charisma. Ice. Is

4:12

when you can make everyone else around

4:15

you feel good about themselves genuinely and

4:17

show that you're genuinely interested in them

4:19

because they never me want to be

4:21

around you more Racist A real reserves

4:23

for. Your. Allows us to read

4:25

as much I said this

4:28

is. A. Curiosity is beautiful

4:30

day and releases if it if you

4:32

can bring. I didn't say like I'm

4:34

so. Stoked. To get to

4:36

know you because we're not the same like

4:38

ten You please let him bridge my list

4:41

seems that said stuff like that day. Whose.

4:43

Parents are high school sweethearts. And so

4:46

I wasn't necessarily saw it down

4:48

to d many of us are.

4:50

But yeah, I mean every person

4:52

that that was, Why should. All.

4:54

Of Us Emotions: X and Alice

4:57

Sick people Think about dating. As

4:59

a skill that should be practice today

5:02

and soon be learned. Yes,

5:04

First, bugs and you said it beautifully.

5:06

And why? Because I think said if

5:08

we're perceived on something, we take that

5:10

for teachers. it's a teeth of ourselves

5:13

instead of our behavior or and action

5:15

that we've taken or a choice that

5:17

we've made or personalizing it, internalizing it,

5:19

symbols and same thing when it comes

5:21

to dating. And I think that's why

5:24

you can feel so devastating, right or

5:26

sometimes artificially inflating as as well. Right

5:28

is so he said. The same token

5:30

decongestant you than and skills that can

5:32

be tweaked turned. Or and learned

5:34

I learned or improved upon. Then

5:37

are authentic selves remain true and

5:39

steady. And and not it's

5:41

faults. At any point, since I was

5:44

struck by how. You. Helped

5:46

some of the participants on his

5:48

show realize new possibilities for themselves

5:50

to talking with you for example,

5:52

sooner breaking about the idea that

5:54

he always has to bring people

5:56

joy and. be possible at times

5:58

as you gently like him know

6:01

that he doesn't have to be happy

6:03

all of the time and people will

6:05

still like him. I remember like seeing

6:07

his expression change, you know? Like it

6:10

seemed to totally change his world

6:28

around. How do you help people

6:30

change the narratives they believe

6:33

about themselves? And why was

6:35

that important to do before

6:38

they started dating? Talking

6:41

about Tanner and talking about that

6:43

idea that he maybe felt pressure

6:45

to always be on.

6:47

I've seen that before. I've

6:49

been that before, you know? My other nickname

6:52

in high school besides before was Happy Head.

6:54

I was very trippy. And for

6:56

me, peppy meant safety. You know, people

6:58

were going to want to be around.

7:02

I think in recognizing, I said there was

7:04

something in Tanner's eyes that just looked

7:06

familiar. And there was a young lady that I

7:08

was coaching just like the

7:10

other week. And she said he was

7:12

the same thing. She was very, very, very up

7:14

and talking about how she was proud of this

7:16

and this, that, and the other thing. And kind

7:18

of going in the fact the speech was rapid.

7:21

And then she sort of stopped for just a

7:23

half a moment to look at me to see,

7:25

to judge me, was everything okay?

7:28

And I think we do that. We check

7:30

in and take the temperature a lot as

7:32

autistic people because it hasn't always been safe.

7:34

We have been off or misread situations so

7:36

many times. And I said to her, you

7:38

do know that you don't have to be

7:41

right. You can turn it down and you're

7:43

going to be safe and loved. And she

7:45

started bawling. Dating

7:49

is something almost everybody gets anxious

7:51

about and everyone is different. But

7:53

do you have some tried and

7:55

true concrete advice for people who struggle

7:57

with dating? First of all, there's a. trick

8:00

things to say, which are if you want

8:02

somebody to say more, ask them,

8:04

tell me more about that. I didn't

8:06

learn that until I started interviewing for work. Like,

8:08

I'm sure. Like, a professional, and someone has to teach

8:11

me, like, oh, this is the thing that you can say, and

8:13

I was like, oh. And now you're going

8:15

to be alive all the time. And people love it

8:17

because they want to tell you more about that. But

8:19

really what it comes down to is you have to

8:21

be able to be friends first. The

8:23

love element is fabulous and important, and

8:25

the chemistry's got to be there. Wow.

8:29

Love on the Spectrum is an edited

8:31

show. How do you get

8:33

an edited show? It can't represent every

8:36

experience of people on the spectrum. Absolutely.

8:39

What do you think is missing from the show that could paint

8:41

a fuller picture of life on the spectrum?

8:45

That's a great question. I

8:47

think they did something important

8:49

in season two that I

8:51

definitely felt was missing before, and it's a

8:54

couple things. I thought it was

8:56

really, really, really great that in

8:59

season two, that first of all,

9:01

we had more people of color, that

9:03

we had pre-representation. That was important, right?

9:06

Yeah. Because, yeah. And then

9:09

the topic that I thought was really important,

9:12

that I was super glad that came up, was when

9:14

they let Danny talk with me

9:16

about sex and not

9:18

just love. There's one most

9:20

important subject that I would like

9:23

to talk about is how to

9:25

have a successful intimate relationship. I

9:27

really want a serious intimate relationship

9:29

that would guarantee me that we

9:31

can live together. So

9:33

often, people in the disability

9:35

community, I really genuinely like to

9:38

think of ASD, Autism Spectrum Disorder,

9:40

as Autism Spectrum Dynamics, because

9:42

I think that the disability isn't autism itself,

9:45

it's kind of the way the world fits

9:47

against it. But it's

9:49

very common to infantilize those

9:52

with varying disabilities. And

9:55

so then it can be very condescending. What I loved was not

9:57

only the fact that I was a person of color, but also

9:59

the fact that that we got to have a conversation about sex,

10:02

but that it was women having a conversation about sex.

10:04

I thought that was really, really

10:07

awesome. So that was a

10:09

biggie to me. That was something really important

10:11

to get tapped into. Thank

10:14

you so much for coming on and talking with me today. This

10:17

has been great. Oh, it's been my

10:19

absolute pleasure. Really enjoy. That was

10:21

relationship coach Jennifer Cook. Coming

10:23

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sex. Like many viewers, I fell

11:54

in love with the participants. on

12:00

love on the spectrum. Anybody who's ever

12:02

been in love would connect with Abby and

12:04

David sharing a sweet moment about what they

12:06

like about each other on vacation on the

12:09

Kenyan plains. But as someone who

12:11

isn't autistic, I wondered what autistic

12:13

viewers thought of the show. And

12:15

so I put out a little messenger birdie.

12:18

And host of the podcast, Gender Reveal, and friend

12:20

of the show, Tuck Woodstock,

12:22

responded. He and podcast producer

12:24

Morgan Givens have both watched the

12:26

entire series. And they had some

12:29

thoughts that added a lot of perspective to

12:31

how I view the show's framing. I

12:33

still appreciate Jennifer and all the participants of

12:35

the show. But the show itself

12:37

has a long way to go, according to these

12:39

two viewers. Morgan,

12:44

welcome to It's Been a Minute. And Tuck,

12:46

welcome back. Thank you. Thanks so much for having

12:48

me. My pleasure, my pleasure.

12:50

We are here to talk about love

12:53

on the spectrum. I want to

12:55

hear from each of you. What do you think this show was

12:58

perhaps trying to accomplish? So

13:00

the thing that I think they would perhaps

13:02

claim to be doing is

13:05

humanizing autistic people for a

13:07

general audience. Because I've been

13:09

in meetings with reality show

13:12

execs. They're really interested

13:14

in making shows for the mainstream

13:16

consumer. They're thinking about ways that

13:18

non-autistic people will feel good in

13:20

their hearts, having watched autistic people

13:22

try to find love. So

13:26

if the argument is that they are

13:28

trying to humanize autistic people, I would

13:30

argue that reality TV

13:32

and dating reality TV is an

13:35

inherently dehumanizing platform. We know how

13:37

it works. Everyone becomes a one-dimensional

13:39

character. Because there's only so much

13:42

time to be introduced to so

13:44

many people. And we

13:46

want to make them into convenient narratives. So

13:48

you cannot humanize people in all their complexities

13:51

in a dating show where you're also packing

13:53

many, many people on this season of this

13:55

show. You're saying there's not even enough time to

13:57

spend with each person to build out any of their

13:59

dimensions. No, absolutely not. And

14:02

then the other thing that they're clearly doing

14:04

in the editing and to, you know, cite

14:06

my bona fides for a second, I have

14:09

a documentary editing background, something that they're clearly

14:11

doing in the editing, especially in the US

14:13

version, which is what we're mostly talking about,

14:16

is upplaying awkwardness

14:18

of the dates for jokes.

14:21

If you film anyone's first date,

14:24

and your first date is with someone who you've

14:26

never met, you don't know what to expect, and

14:28

there's a crew filming you, that's going to be

14:30

awkward. Inherently. I

14:32

can edit any date to be awkward. It

14:35

is very easy to do. You

14:37

can use editing tricks, you can use music tricks,

14:39

anything can look awkward. I agree with

14:41

a lot of Tuck's points, especially when

14:43

he's talking about how they're talking about, oh,

14:45

we're doing this to humanize autistic people. But

14:48

that presupposes that there is something inhumane about

14:50

our existence in the first place. And

14:53

that is not true. The

14:55

problem is, y'all don't see us as

14:57

full of people, not that we don't

14:59

recognize the fullness of our existence. When

15:02

we think about reality shows, mostly

15:05

they have a hook of some kind. So love

15:07

is blind, the hook is, you don't see each

15:09

other. Married at first sight, the

15:11

hook is, you get married at first sight,

15:13

right? The hook for

15:15

love on the spectrum is just

15:17

their autistic. And

15:20

I think that it's

15:22

dehumanizing to treat their autistic in

15:24

the same way as we might

15:27

treat their getting engaged behind a

15:29

wall. So you both think

15:31

the show is ineffective at humanizing people on

15:33

the spectrum. I wonder,

15:35

in what ways do you think the show reinforces

15:39

harmful stereotypes? A

15:41

lot of the dates with two autistic

15:43

people, I do think can be

15:45

hampered by all of the advice they're getting

15:47

from mostly family members of ways that they

15:49

should date neuro-typically. Our inability to

15:52

connect if we don't look people in the eye,

15:54

which is absurd to me. My Favorite moments on

15:56

the show are when two autistic people just get

15:58

to hang out for an. The period of

16:00

time and everyone else gets out of their way because

16:02

that's when we see. Ways.

16:04

That autistic people interact with each other

16:07

and we that are so beautiful because

16:09

they're not being narrated. For example, ah,

16:11

the in David at yeah hanging out

16:13

with each other talking about lions and

16:16

the way that they interact are so

16:18

beautiful because they really get each other.

16:20

Or there is a moment in the

16:23

Australian Series that I really like. Where.

16:26

It's to act as if people I a d. N

16:28

one of them as oh, hey, how

16:30

do you. Handle making eye contact with it's really

16:32

hard for me and the other one it like

16:34

oh here are some tips the I learned from

16:36

my therapist but not said. I will never expect

16:38

you to make eye contact with me if you

16:40

don't want to like that's totally fine. I don't

16:42

care, it's hard for me to and that's good.

16:44

The first person and nests ceiling as sees the

16:47

interest to make brief eye contact with her and

16:49

that is such a cool moment to see to

16:51

the I know how much that means as an

16:53

autistic person that he was able to do that

16:55

and I know how good it feels to me

16:57

when I am told that it is okay if

16:59

I'm not looking at some one. Because that gives

17:01

me the safety to do it if I want

17:03

to do it on my own terms. I and

17:05

I hate to reduce autism to just eye contact

17:08

because there's so many layers, but I think that

17:10

stuff like that is really easy to point to.

17:13

Okay to go back to the parents for

17:15

minutes watching this show. The way it focuses

17:18

on the parents like their anxieties. they are

17:20

fears. About their kids being alone or you know,

17:22

current quote never. Find. The love like

17:24

at times but appearance, nervousness,

17:27

Felt. More palpable. Them.

17:30

The participants are: how do you

17:32

think like that parental point of

17:34

view. Of sex, the framing of

17:36

the so. I mean, I

17:38

think it affects the framing of the show

17:40

because I think it affects the folks covered

17:43

in the show like a second season was

17:45

when Abby a City with Jennifer. And.

17:47

Jennifer's like yeah, you know I'm autistic.

17:50

two are married, I got kids. Abby

17:52

is stoned so Abby wouldn't have something

17:54

to yes, I'm I'm To and Isis

17:57

into. and i'll

17:59

say my sisters But how could you have bait

18:01

kids if you're on the spectrum? You can do

18:03

anything you want to. It's up to the individual

18:05

person. And it has nothing to do with autism.

18:08

Exactly. Exactly right. She is

18:10

flummy. Yes. Her flapper

18:12

has been gested because she does not

18:14

understand like the fact that this was

18:17

something she did not even realize was

18:19

attainable for her. No.

18:21

It puts that a little more into context.

18:23

Like what did you grow up in and

18:25

where could you be if you were not

18:27

in an environment that treated you as though

18:29

these were things that were unattainable for you

18:32

because clearly you're capable. And multiple

18:34

parents have just been like, it's so amazing

18:36

that my child, an adult is going on

18:38

one date because I never imagined this is

18:40

possible for them. And I'm like, that's a

18:42

really horrifically limiting understanding of what you expected

18:44

for your child. You know, if

18:46

we're talking about this show as, you know,

18:48

maybe trying to bust some autism myths

18:51

or stereotypes, they're really following so

18:53

many stereotypes. They're seeing, you know,

18:56

mostly white people, almost entirely straight

18:58

people for some reason entirely as

19:00

far as we know, cisgender people,

19:03

which is absolutely banana, which is

19:05

wild. Say more about why that's bananas. Many

19:08

many autistic people are trans. Many many

19:10

many trans people are autistic as a

19:13

gender expert. If I need a trans

19:15

person, I assume they're autistic unless they

19:17

tell me otherwise. Like that is how

19:19

big the overlap is. It

19:22

sucks that even just saying that to you,

19:24

I am aware that the fact that so

19:26

many trans people are autistic is used as

19:29

a way to gatekeep trans people from accessing

19:31

care because there are a lot of trans

19:33

people who are not allowed to access transition

19:35

care because they are autistic. But regardless, there

19:37

are so many autistic trans people. It is so

19:39

wild that they're not on the show. Autistic

19:42

people are more likely to reject societal norms that

19:44

don't make sense to them. And so that's why

19:47

so many of us are queer and trans. And

19:49

so it's weird that that's not showing up more

19:51

than it is on the show. And

19:54

then we're also disproportionately seeing adults who

19:56

live with parents or guardians. We're

19:59

also disproportionately seeing autistic people who

20:01

have never dated, never kissed, never had sex,

20:03

and that's fine. I understand that that's a

20:05

focus of the show. A lot of urgency

20:07

on the show. But there

20:10

are autistic people who are

20:12

married, autistic people who have five girlfriends,

20:14

autistic sex workers. Fern Brady wrote a

20:16

great book that talks about her being

20:18

an autistic stripper who has a ton

20:21

of boyfriends and girlfriends. These are all

20:23

normal things for autistic people to experience,

20:26

and I just think that if

20:28

they are going into busts and

20:30

myths and stereotypes, why is there

20:32

no acknowledge that many autistic people

20:34

are out here dating successfully, having

20:37

sex, knowing how sex works? I

20:39

enjoyed seeing, for example, Danny check out

20:42

six books on sex and make her family

20:44

uncomfortable with them. Which, by the way, they

20:47

should not be uncomfortable with a grown woman

20:49

learning about sex. She's grown. That was fun

20:51

to see. But if that's the only representation

20:53

you're seeing is a lot of people being

20:55

shy about holding hands for the first time,

20:57

which is cute, people

21:00

are going to get the idea that all

21:02

autistic people have ever done is hold hands

21:04

and read a book about sex, and that's

21:06

just not true in many circumstances. So we're

21:08

just not seeing a range of other realities

21:10

for people for whom this is their introduction to what

21:12

autism looks like. I keep

21:15

thinking about the criticism that the show is

21:17

teaching, masking. And for those of you who don't know,

21:19

in the realm of autism, masking

21:21

is when an autistic person changes

21:23

their natural behavior to conform to

21:25

social pressures. I'm

21:27

curious, what would a narrow divergent

21:30

approach to dating look like to you? How

21:32

could that be achieved more authentically than

21:34

your eyes? I mean, for me, I

21:37

think about leaning more into the

21:39

honesty of what you want to say and speaking

21:42

exactly what you mean. Because a lot

21:45

of folks that I know who are

21:47

neurotypical or allistic, it

21:49

feels like they speak in code. And I'm like,

21:51

why don't you just say what you mean? Why

21:54

do I have to decipher this? Building off what

21:56

Morgan said, I think like honesty and also direct

21:58

communication and something that I also. love in

22:00

the show is how often people ask, do

22:02

you want to hold hands? Would you like

22:05

to kiss? Would you be interested in sex

22:07

before marriage? And I would like to see

22:10

more open communication about what

22:12

people want from each other instead of just feeling

22:14

like you have to guess or make a move

22:16

or wait. So if we could just get used

22:18

to like being normal when someone communicates with us

22:20

directly, we might be more comfortable with also like

22:22

directly stating our wants and needs. That's a really

22:25

vulnerable thing to do, but I think the people

22:27

on this show do it really, really well. And

22:29

I hate that it's played for laughs so often

22:31

because it's a really cool skill that we could

22:33

all be doing. Yep. Talk

22:36

Morgan. Thank you so much for coming on and

22:38

talking with me about this today. Thank you for

22:40

having us. That

22:43

was host of the gender reveal podcast. And

22:46

Slice Fables producer Morgan Gibbons. Hey,

22:54

Brittany. Hey,

22:56

Brittany. Hey,

23:00

Brittany. Hi,

23:04

this is Sophie Taylor Swift just dropped

23:06

her new album and I'm wondering what your thoughts are.

23:09

Sophie, thank you so much for calling in with

23:11

this question about Taylor Swift's new album,

23:14

The Tortured Poets Department.

23:18

So this album came out last weekend. Lord

23:22

have mercy. Is it a humdinger?

23:24

Now I'll say this. The

23:27

album itself originally was only supposed

23:29

to be 16 tracks.

23:31

But then on the same day that

23:33

she released the album, she said I'm

23:35

gonna release another 15

23:37

songs and call that the

23:39

Tortured Poets Department, the anthology. So

23:43

the day this album dropped, she

23:45

actually released 31 songs.

23:49

I don't think I would listen to 31 songs from anybody truthfully at this

23:51

point in my life. Editing is

23:53

okay. It's okay to kind

23:55

of pare down what you want to talk

23:57

about so that people can walk away with

23:59

some To to take away now as I

24:01

sit on the show before. I

24:04

think that Taylor said the somebody my talents and

24:06

her. First three albums. Actually, I was a

24:08

pretty big fan of. All that being said

24:10

at this point: Taylor Swift. Able to

24:12

years and or than I am. and

24:14

thirty six years old. and he was

24:16

so does Thirty Four. Only one of

24:18

us is consistently talking about boys as

24:20

a season like eighth grade language arts

24:22

class see went to a couple break

24:24

up the and it wasn't fun with

24:26

i'll say i'll our party's it is

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built on idea and that's okay but

24:31

then. Ideal to

24:33

melodies. The. Music to

24:35

the instrumentation. I wasn't feeling

24:38

it. I. Have realized

24:40

recently that I am.

24:43

Perhaps. In the minority of. People who

24:45

does not like Taylor Swift work.

24:47

With her long time producing partner Jack

24:50

it's not the Celtics somebody who's going

24:52

for a big anthemic sounds and dismissing

24:54

it. I don't understand either with those

24:57

are some a her more popular Apple's

24:59

analysts with the Sands are loving and

25:01

maybe that's what she decided to with

25:04

his album but for me I just

25:06

think that the kind of seems that

25:08

she's continuing to circle the sound the

25:11

she's not progressing our of all sides

25:13

to me are pointing to assist time,

25:15

fertility take a break on the T

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since. Smart a New Language

25:20

Cooking classes. With a hunky

25:22

boyfriend of hers. That's what I would do if I

25:24

had that much money. So.

25:27

Taylor I don't know I it's is Alice in

25:29

this but on the off chance I just want

25:31

to let you know. It's okay

25:33

to take a break. Sophie.

25:36

Think he summons for calling him with this question.

25:38

I really appreciate it. If

25:40

you want to be heard on upcoming

25:42

a Brittany I have a question for

25:44

you. The Make Our is around the

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25:49

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