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What's up everyone? Welcome

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to the 607th episode

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of the Pokemon Podcast. It's super effective. I'm

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your host, Steve. With me is Hannah. I

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don't know why I said that so funny.

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Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever heard my name pronounced that

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way before. I'm

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here. Presence presents

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presents presents from the

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present. Presents presents. Happened. It

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happened. It did. Yes. At

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supersonic speeds. Very early in the morning. Greg,

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also here. It's like, okay,

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it's not that early. I was up in

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to my email at work. It was

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early. It was 6 a.m. here. Yeah. I

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had to wake up at 5.50 a.m. It was 8 a.m. That

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is a normal work day. It

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was like also blocked off tentatively

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like, okay, it's about 20 minutes

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where I'm not available in teams. Do not

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bother me at work. I have something to

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watch. Hey, if you

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don't need to know what it is. UK, it was like

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2 p.m. or something like that. My boss

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listens to the show. My boss knows what it was

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doing at 8 a.m. We

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had the conversation shortly after it was

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done. So what we're

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saying is if you're on the show,

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we're guaranteeing you a job offer. This

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show gets you jobs. Something

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did. Okay, so we're going to

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talk about the presents today and we're

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just going to go through that. I'm sure there's

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other little bit of Pokemon news that we could

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be talking about, but there's always next week. So

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let's just focus on the presents today and go

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from there. If you haven't watched the

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presents, it's like 13 minutes of

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you. I cannot imagine anyone listening to

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a Pokemon podcast that comes out weekly

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would not be up to date with

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presents. Maybe you missed it, though. Maybe you missed it and you're just

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like, I'm going to listen to the show and get the news. We're

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actually gonna start backwards too and

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we're gonna talk about the thing that you

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would think we would have a lot to

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talk about But we have the least amount

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of information. So we're just gonna get Pokemon

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legends ZA out of the way Let's

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be frank here they didn't show any gameplay They

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did not definitely not so

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I'll read the press release. We'll talk about it

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You again, you would think that we would spend

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the majority of the episode on this It

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would just be us speculating which I'm sure

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well, we will we will still speculate but

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I have ideas There's literally a paragraph here and

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that's it. It's not even a paragraph. It's two

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sentences Pokemon legends

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Z-A. I think everyone's

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just calling it ZA. I don't think we're saying

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the hyphen Are they rolling it ZA like pizza?

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Yeah Pokemon pizza is what I'm calling it It's

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an ambitious new entry to the Pokemon

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video game series will be released worldwide

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I don't know why they needed to

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make the every game has been worldwide

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since X&Y worldwide on Nintendo

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switch in 2025

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an exciting new adventure awaits

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players within Lumiose City Where

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an urban redevelopment plan is underway to

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shape the city into a place that

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belongs to both people and Pokemon If

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you want more information and then they have their look

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little website. So yeah, this this was

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what they ended with the ZA

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ZA and it was so exciting. Yeah, let's

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let's start off with Hannah. What do you

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got? Give us give us give us your

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thoughts I mean, I'm

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just enjoying everybody's enjoyment from

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it primarily There's

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a great video up on YouTube of

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the reaction of everybody who was

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in Nintendo, New York for

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this announcement and it's just First

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it shows its game freak then it

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shows it's not you know of a

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Pokemon it's Kalos Pokemon and

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then you get the legends and

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then you get the mega and it's just the

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and And somewhere in there is 2020

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and not 2024. Yeah.

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And the hype is just growing

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and growing and growing and the

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cheers are huge in that video

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in Nintendo and it's

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just super exciting. I'm

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very, I need to replay Pokémon

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X and Y for this. Is the

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hype that Game Freak came across the

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screen or is the hype it didn't

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say Ilka? Probably the

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Latin. Yes. They

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were not Chibi. Yeah. Well,

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we also don't know what the game is for

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sure gonna look like. That was literally

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nothing. Literally,

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there's like, here's a

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weird Tron version of the city.

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That was like a blue I would say

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Tron, I would say like blueprint. Blueprint. Yeah,

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that was clearly they don't have

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at least as far as I can tell it

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looks like they don't have a solid art decision

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on what the game is going to end up

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looking like yet. And so they just didn't want

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to give any idea beyond

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just the like file

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folder vibes in

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the very beginning of the announcement.

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Well, it says this trailer does

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not contain actual game actual game

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footage. Yeah, no kidding. So

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we're safe there. I think

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the big question is like, we

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don't know what a legend game

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is, because we only

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got one. And so like

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the first place my head went to was,

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does this have weird pokeballs?

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Does it have regular pokeballs? Are

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is it going to do the

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thing where like these characters like

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Clermont are this is Clermont ancient

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ancestor? Or is it gonna be

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like this is Clermont future ancestor?

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Right? Like we don't we don't even know the

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time zone it's in. We don't know the time. We

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have a hint at the time zone. Because

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Lumios, this is speculating.

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It's a significant

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reconstruction of the city of Paris

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in the 1800s about the same

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time frame as

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what happened in Legends Arceus. Legends

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1800s? Yep. In Hokkaido specifically.

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Yeah. So here's

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the question I have. We have that hint. Where

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in Lumiose City can we

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save that won't get our game to

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crash? Yeah, that was my first let of

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my god. Oh, you're really tumped in fate

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with this one. There's

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a couple of things that I sort of been

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thinking about what the game could be

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or what I would be interested in the game

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based off of the logo. So the fact that

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it goes Z to A is

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very specific. It

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suggests going backwards. My

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initial thought just also

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looking at the logo

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of the tech in the Z and

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the plant nature in the A that

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there is some aspect of switching between the

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past and the present where there's a problem

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in the present and then you're able to

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go in the past, fix it

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in the past so it's built in a certain

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way to fix the thing in the present so

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that the aspect of time travel that exists, especially

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if you are somewhat of

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a continuation of your character

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from Legends Arceus who is

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from Kalos is you're wearing the Kalos shirt

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when you're on. Only the male character. Only

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the male. The girls wearing the sun

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and moon. It is possible that there's a connection with that

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and then you can travel back and forth. Okay, well hold

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on. Hold on. We all thought there

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was gonna be time travel in Scarlet and Violet. That didn't happen. That

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didn't happen. No. That

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is just pure like what I

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would find interesting because you are they have pretty

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much said it's only within Lumi acid.

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what does that look like and what does development

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so keeping that theme

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I'm like it'd be interesting to be

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if you are traversing between

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two time periods to

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fix problems I like that

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idea because I want to know more about how

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they're weaving this multiverse

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but I will also point out that

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the the pattern on the Z in

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the logo that you were kind of describing

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as futuristic is zygard scale zygard so

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yeah it is I mean

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zygard so it's

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just yeah isn't isn't that just a close-up

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of like the cell the cell form before

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he gets his scales is

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it yeah it's it's

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like a squishy I think that's its name in

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the end my right squishy that is she

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yeah but there's not a there's

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no vein I mean the colors the same

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no squishy is just

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solid yeah squishy is solid there's

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a lot to think about also so if

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it is set after so if it's

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set after the war but before the war was 3,000 years

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ago the war was 3,000 years

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ago so if it's set after

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the war rebuilding period but before

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the modern games zernius

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is a tree and even tells

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the egg they don't come back

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to life until the things of

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X and Y they

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the whole lore of that region is they

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sacrifice them they'll themselves to be part of

9:27

the whole stopping the big cannon problem and

9:30

then they don't you they aren't alive again

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until you reawaken them in no

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no no that's not true they're

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not alive until you run down

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a hallway battle four versions of

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pitbull mr. worldwide and then you

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awaken them after defeating Lysander wearing

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a virtual boy for whatever reason

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because he's cool I

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was wearing an Apple vision Pro they

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called it first I

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I mean some people have been

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saying that evil talk and Xerneas

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are coming back based on the very

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very very tiny slivers of red

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and blue that you can see

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on the hyphen in the

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logo. But I will say red

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and blue is in Zygarde too. Zygarde

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has red and blue and it's in its

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final form too. There's no doubt that Zygarde

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and Yvatte won't be in here

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somewhere. Like I cannot

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imagine they're gonna make a game without

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those two. Yeah. What

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I really want to know is what the the

10:30

plant pattern in the A

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is. That's my biggest question so

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far I think. It's non

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squishy. I feel like

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I remember X&Y pretty well. I've played

10:42

through both of them normally. I did a shiny

10:44

batch quest in one. I did an

10:46

egg lock in the other. Egg lock is just a nuzlock

10:48

except people send you eggs. Like I've played

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through these games a lot and relatively recently.

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Like I didn't do all of this

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ten years ago and then like have

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these like thick nostalgia visions. Like I

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did a lot of this stuff recently and

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one of the things I do remember is

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like Lumiose City in X&Y is also

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like not fully finished. Like they're they

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have like the power outage. We

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need to be able to go into buildings

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in this game. It's all based in a

11:16

city there needs to be an inside to

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the buildings. Yes there does. The

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one concern I did see on

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social media and everything is people saying

11:25

that this might be a small game

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because it from what the

11:30

website says and from what the Nintendo Twitter says

11:32

that the whole game will take place in the

11:34

city. Yeah and I

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don't know why that is a concern for people

11:39

because a lot of games just focus

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on one city. There's this like really

11:44

tiny game. It got big all

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of a sudden. You might not have heard

11:48

of it but it's called Grand Theft Auto

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and they made a couple of them. They made like

11:52

a Vice City. They made a San Andreas. Those games

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all take place. in

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one city. Cities are big.

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Cities are big. They just need to be

12:04

scaled, right? I would love to talk

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about this in a future episode. My complaint

12:09

of the Johto region and HeartGold, SoulSilver,

12:11

and Gold and Silver is that Johto

12:13

is just too small and I feel

12:15

like it does a disservice to that

12:17

region. If we were ever to go

12:19

back to Johto, I would like to

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just... I don't want to see Kanto.

12:24

I just want to see an expanded,

12:26

fleshed-out, big Johto. So, anyway, flipping back

12:28

to ZA, obviously this

12:30

game has to be bigger than what

12:32

you remember just normal Lumiose City and

12:35

Exynol I could be. Yeah.

12:37

I mean, Lumiose City seems to be divided

12:39

into some very distinct districts.

12:43

Even in the map, there are some pretty

12:45

distinct lines. There are the five plazas

12:48

that suggest to me at least

12:51

those will be distinct regions

12:54

that you are moving into. The question

12:56

is, is your home base the

12:58

tower in the center and you're traveling out into

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them? Is one of them

13:02

your home base and then you're traveling to

13:04

the others? How are they going to use

13:06

this map? But the map is very clearly

13:09

divided into pizza slices. Yeah. Fitting

13:11

with the ZA theme. It's got pepperoni on

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it. Here's my speculation

13:15

that it won't be open world game and

13:18

it will be like... I hope not. It will

13:20

be like Arceus where

13:23

each pizza slice is what

13:25

you have to unlock and they can do

13:27

it very tongue in cheek because when

13:29

you first get to Lumiose and you try to go right,

13:32

they're like, we have no power over

13:34

here. We have no power over here. And

13:36

so, I wonder if you're setting

13:39

power to each of these regions to

13:41

then quote unquote open them. It

13:44

could be like it's open world at the very end.

13:46

We're like, oh, okay. You've opened all the pizza slices

13:48

and now you can go in a complete circle. But

13:51

I don't expect you to... Oh,

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I can go to any pizza slice right off the

13:56

bat and do it. I wonder if it's almost

13:59

like a clock. opening the pizza

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slices one by one because

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yeah great right it does look very I hope it's less

14:06

confusing than Lumiose was I

14:11

go I was like I'm just taking

14:13

a taxi I know the stone store

14:15

is around here somewhere

14:18

I'm just gonna take a taxi because

14:20

I cannot be bothered to find it

14:23

anymore take me to Lysander's

14:25

cafe I want hot

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tea and angsty teens

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please to be fair in games

14:32

like Vice City or in

14:34

Spider-Man or in infamous or in any of

14:36

these games that take place in the city

14:38

there are parts of the city that are

14:40

technically blocked off until you complete a mission

14:43

like some of those

14:45

games are probably I'm misremembering where you can go there

14:47

it's just not a lot to do but I remember

14:49

specifically in like both infamous games it's

14:51

like you have to set it was literally like

14:53

set power to this part of the city I

14:57

forgot infamous was a game those games are good

15:00

they're made by the the Sly Cooper people and

15:02

those games are also good to the Sly Cooper

15:04

game I think there's like Cooper yeah cuz you

15:06

can like stand on the tippy-top the

15:08

thief the Fox thief that's like Cooper

15:10

yeah yeah yeah okay that team went

15:13

on to make infamous I

15:15

think they just announced layoffs too

15:17

unfortunately insomnia I believe is the

15:20

devil eloper oh yeah yeah yeah

15:22

well welcome to lay

15:25

off land 2025 that

15:28

was one of the first things I noticed now

15:30

I will put a little

15:32

asterisk here Ilka could be making

15:34

a game we

15:38

just know that game Freak won't be coming out with

15:40

a game this year yeah the

15:43

paper like oh we're skipping over remakes I'm

15:45

like are we we

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don't we don't know

15:49

that for sure because it wasn't

15:52

announced at this one does

15:54

not mean it is off it

15:56

is off I'm like I did a

15:58

huge YouTube video about Pokemon Day and

16:00

how a lot of games aren't actually

16:02

announced on Pokemon Day. Yeah. Sometimes

16:05

they don't. More and more. It feels like they

16:08

are bringing things into Pokemon Day though. Yeah. I

16:10

will say they hyped this up well with

16:13

a big countdown. They

16:15

hyped it up and then hit

16:17

two times speed for the first

16:19

half. Yeah, fully capped. That's true.

16:22

I was like... It was way too fast. Well, we got

16:24

to the end part and I'm like, there was a code.

16:29

I saw it for two seconds. I

16:31

guess I'm going online. I

16:33

did not like... Just find out what the code was.

16:36

The first six minutes of that present. Every... Like

16:38

literally everything they announced could have gotten an extra 30

16:41

seconds to a minute and it would have felt so

16:43

much better. For Masters,

16:45

they showed Silver but

16:47

barely. They showed Silver

16:49

and... Yeah. Well, they showed Silver and

16:51

Tyranitar. But like usually for Masters,

16:53

they're like... They have a really good

16:56

animated cutscene. Yeah. And then

16:58

they'll say like, we did get a hundred

17:01

free pulls but they never said

17:03

it in the presents at all. No.

17:06

It was... Yeah. I

17:08

was just blown away at how

17:10

super speed that first half was. I was just

17:12

like, what is happening

17:15

right now? Yeah. In the Slack,

17:17

we do bingo cards for

17:19

things like Nintendo Direct and Pokemon Presents. And

17:21

I had a bingo card in front of

17:23

me and it was moving way too fast

17:25

for me to even see if

17:27

I was hitting any of the squares. Alright.

17:31

Let's talk about the elephant in the room here. I

17:33

confidently said for the last couple months

17:36

that I don't think they would use

17:38

the word Legends again. And the

17:40

reason I said that is because like I

17:42

thought that like Legends really summed up the

17:45

Sinnoh region very well because

17:48

everything about Sinnoh is based around

17:50

legendary Pokemon and Arceus. There's not

17:52

a whole lot of legends in

17:55

X and Y. But I

17:57

was wrong. They're using the word Legends again.

18:00

That being said, that begs

18:02

the question of like, what is a Legends

18:04

game, which is what we started off this

18:06

conversation with. I still think that

18:09

Let's Go Pikachu, Let's Go Eevee, and

18:11

Legends Arceus are way

18:13

more similar than people give it credit for. And

18:16

so if we were to carry that over into this

18:18

game, both, I think a

18:20

lot of people forget this, but both Let's Go and

18:23

both Legends, they don't have abilities. So

18:26

are we assuming that ZA also

18:28

doesn't have abilities? They don't have

18:30

held items? Both of those games

18:33

were focused on catching. So are we

18:35

saying that because this is another Legends

18:37

game, is this also focused on catching?

18:39

And when I say focused on catching, that like catching

18:41

is the main goal. There

18:47

are still some battles, but very

18:50

confident that the competitive scene will

18:52

still stay in Scarlet and Violet

18:54

until Generation 10. They've

18:56

already laid pretty good groundwork for why

18:58

a competitive scene would continue to stay in

19:00

Scarlet and Violet. Both Let's Go

19:03

Pikachu, Let's Go Eevee, and Legends

19:05

Arceus are new stories placed in

19:07

places we've already been, which is

19:09

happening right here. And then

19:11

I think a thing that people also forget

19:13

about those games is both Let's Go and

19:16

Legends has this weird level up candy system

19:18

where you put candy,

19:20

do EVs. And

19:22

I just like never did it in

19:25

Legends, and I remember my Twitch chat

19:27

being like, oh, you gotta use the

19:29

candy before you battle Volo, otherwise you're

19:31

gonna lose. And I never put candy

19:33

into anything in Pikachu or in Arceus

19:36

because it was like, I'm

19:38

not struggling, and I know putting

19:40

the candy in would make it easier. And that's

19:42

not a bad thing. I'm sure there are people

19:44

that are like, I don't like battling, I just

19:46

want to go through and the candy is helping

19:48

me battle. That's totally cool. I just remember both

19:50

of those candy systems being like, this is like,

19:53

I'm glad this is here for some people, but I don't

19:56

need it. So again, is

19:58

this game going to have like a weird candy? Those

20:02

are a lot of similarities between those games.

20:04

And so it's like, are those similarities going

20:06

to be carried over into this? But

20:09

we don't know because they didn't show any gameplay. They're

20:11

just using a word, legends, that

20:14

even so, there's not a lot to go off of.

20:18

Yeah, I can't even imagine

20:21

how we're going to do catching and

20:24

training Pokémon in a game that's entirely

20:26

based in a city. We haven't done that

20:28

before. I

20:31

will say, the city building,

20:34

I don't want to build a building.

20:36

That's it. There's

20:39

probably other reasons for other people, but it's

20:41

the same reason I don't play Fortnite. I

20:44

don't want to build a tower to climb

20:46

up and shoot. I just don't want to

20:48

build things. And there was crafting

20:50

in Legends, and it was pretty

20:53

small. It was like, you can craft some

20:55

Poké Balls. And once you got

20:58

to a certain point, you could avoid it completely.

21:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. And at a certain

21:02

point, I was like, I'm done crafting

21:05

stuff. But

21:07

you did technically build a town in

21:09

Legends. Like the

21:11

town got bigger and bigger, even though

21:13

you weren't like collecting 20 wood and

21:15

like 10 rock. Every time

21:18

you contributed to the town. Yeah, you contributed. The

21:21

farm showed up, and then the ranch got

21:23

bigger, and then like buildings got, and then

21:26

I don't even know how you did it, but

21:28

like the photography place got more and more like

21:30

billboards on it as you went. Like

21:32

you did. If

21:35

the goal of this game, or one of

21:37

the goals of this game is to like

21:40

make Lumiose feel more fleshed out, kind of

21:42

like how you made Jubilife feel more fleshed

21:44

out, without saying like go

21:46

out there and collect 20 wood

21:49

and 20 rock and 20... Like

21:52

I think that would be cool. But

21:54

again, I don't want to like make my

21:56

house and then like 20 hours

21:58

in the game. make a bigger

22:00

house and then like I don't.

22:03

I know that's a popular game style. There's

22:06

a lot of like, I know it's

22:08

also like survival games are very popular right now,

22:10

but yeah, I'm like

22:13

even Animal Crossing on

22:15

the switch was like a little too

22:17

much crafting and building

22:19

for me. Like

22:22

I can do a little bit until they push a

22:24

line where it feels like

22:26

a chore. Yeah, I think

22:28

that's why there was not as much crafting involved

22:30

in the Happy Home Designer stuff. But

22:35

I mean, I think we just don't know at

22:37

this point. The weird focus

22:39

on city development that may or

22:41

may not be story more than

22:44

gameplay. The fact

22:46

that it's going to be all in a city

22:48

and supposedly not out in the

22:50

wild at all anywhere makes me kind of

22:52

feel like maybe this will be a totally

22:54

new and different kind of thing. But

22:57

we don't know. We

22:59

have not much to base a lot. Like

23:02

we don't even have like gameplay footage to

23:04

be like we have a weird

23:08

animated trailer that doesn't

23:10

even really suggest anything. It's like,

23:13

remember, this is what Lumiose City is and there's Pokemon

23:15

and people in it. Okay, bye. Yeah,

23:21

it's like, what

23:23

is the game? And it's it is

23:26

a long way away. It

23:28

is 2025. What is this

23:30

whole year away for them

23:33

to drip feed what this game actually is?

23:35

I mean, I'm excited to see

23:37

what it is because

23:40

they are appealing to a game that

23:42

I really liked. Like that was a lot of fun, which

23:44

is lessons exciting in the fact

23:46

that they are going to continue that

23:50

series in some

23:52

form because they don't always do that.

23:55

Like they don't always like we've never

23:57

had another Pokemon conquest, even though I thought that

23:59

game was great. We never

24:01

had another sequel. Only one game has had a sequel.

24:04

Black and White. Black and White.

24:07

Black and White. Like

24:13

we never got another, we got like what,

24:15

two rangers and then that was done. We've had a

24:17

lot of mystery dungeons. I

24:20

don't think any of those count though because none of those were made by Game

24:22

Freak. True. Like there

24:24

was this like group

24:27

of people online being like wow they

24:29

broke the pattern. Like what, what have

24:31

you been living up at a rock?

24:33

Like if Ellie, like

24:35

Game Freak for sure had

24:37

a pattern up to like gen 5.

24:40

And that was the first time they

24:42

truly broke that pattern. Which was instead

24:44

of giving us Pokemon Grey, which is

24:46

when this podcast started and you can

24:48

go back for $5 and get all

24:50

50 episodes on Patreon. And you can

24:52

listen to me for

24:54

months be like yeah Pokemon Grey is coming.

24:56

Because that was just the thing. It was

24:58

like here are two versions, here's

25:00

the third version. And they did

25:04

Black 2, White 2. And

25:06

then we got X and Y.

25:09

And then it was the same thing for

25:11

months. Where Pokemon Z, Pokemon Z. Where's the

25:13

third version? And we just didn't even get

25:15

any. They just skipped it.

25:17

We finally got it. Yeah we're finally getting Pokemon

25:19

Z. They found it under the

25:22

DSS so far. They're like oh we have to update this. And

25:24

like no one expected us to go to like

25:27

Let's Go Pikachu, Let's Go Eevee, right? Like no

25:29

one expected Legends Arceus. Like that, I've just named

25:31

a bunch of them. So for people to be

25:33

like they finally broke the pattern. They

25:36

did. Like 15 years. They

25:38

had broken the pattern for a

25:40

while. I just am happy to

25:42

see hopefully more in

25:45

the Legends. Hopefully

25:47

we'll sort of be able to establish what a

25:49

Legends game is when we get to. Of

25:52

course you need three to be a pattern. But I'm

25:54

interested in where they go. I feel like for

25:56

whatever we want to

25:59

call my Rosie. colored glasses that they

26:01

feel they can be more experimental in

26:05

other outside

26:07

the game, like

26:10

the generation games. Like

26:12

I feel like they feel like they can

26:14

take more risks. Outside

26:17

of the ones that the competition is in,

26:19

outside of the competitive games. I

26:22

feel like I'm excited to see that. I

26:24

don't have a problem with like splitting main series.

26:28

Mario does this already. There's 2D

26:30

Mario games and there are 3D Mario games.

26:33

And no one, I don't know maybe

26:35

there's some weird Mario fans that are arguing that

26:37

one is not main series or not. But they're

26:39

both main, like they're both main series Marios. It's

26:41

just the 2D ones play differently

26:43

than the 3D ones and some people prefer the

26:45

2D ones and some people prefer the 3D ones

26:47

and then there are Mario fans that will just

26:49

play everything right? So it's

26:51

not weird to me that like here's

26:54

a series that may be more focused

26:56

on catching and more limited in like

26:58

no breeding. Also fun fact, let's go

27:00

Pikachu, let's be the end. Legends Arceus

27:02

don't have breeding. No breeding, like more

27:05

catching, like simpler battle

27:07

systems. And then over here

27:09

is a more complicated

27:11

slash traditional game. And

27:14

like so that's not weird to me. But also at

27:16

the same time I could see like does

27:18

generation 10 just kind of change

27:21

everything? Because it is generation 10,

27:24

it is probably going to be

27:26

their second best selling. Like there's

27:29

as long as this game

27:31

isn't absolute trash and

27:33

runs at probably more than 15 frames a

27:35

second. I think this sets

27:37

them up with goodwill

27:40

going into a generation 10 and

27:42

kind of erases all of that

27:44

from Scarlet and Violet. And

27:47

the like. They need to nail that

27:49

landing. So like I

27:51

was wrong about them using the word legends.

27:54

But I was quoted, like

27:56

I guess I'm going to come on here and say like I

27:58

was right about everything else. Like I was right. as in

28:00

they were not gonna do black and white, it was

28:02

too soon. They were not gonna do Johto, there was

28:05

not gonna be a Let's Go game. I was right

28:07

that they were gonna skip this year. And I think

28:09

that's the most important part. They're not skipping this year

28:11

because like they're scared of like, something else. They're

28:13

skipping this year because like Gen 10 is

28:16

still coming. And I, and

28:18

if everything they've said, everything Nintendo said,

28:20

everything that like, has

28:22

been put out there of like, we've heard fans, we

28:25

messed up, we don't want to do it again, these

28:27

games feel too rushed. So

28:30

here is, they have to

28:32

put out something before Gen 10 to like,

28:34

restore goodwill. Yeah. So I don't think for

28:36

the record, I don't think they pivoted. I

28:38

don't think they were like, oh man, Scarlet

28:40

and Violet, people are upset, quick, another Legends

28:42

game, like, I'm sure they have

28:44

their next like, five, 10 years

28:46

planned out. I mean, but they have to

28:48

do something good, but also

28:51

have enough time to do this and Gen

28:53

10, which is why they needed miss

28:55

a year and this happened to be the year they missed. But

28:58

we were talking about the fact that if you

29:00

look at the timeframe, having

29:03

Gen 10 come out before

29:05

the 30th anniversary always felt

29:08

somewhat off, right? Like, 10th generation should

29:10

come out during your big thing. So

29:13

I think we've been talking about and

29:15

I've been talking about, like, I've always

29:17

thought that Gen 10 would not be

29:19

until 2026. Like, that

29:22

would coincide with their 30th anniversary. And the

29:24

question always is what they're gonna, what are

29:26

they gonna fill it with? So we

29:28

have at least one of the, one piece of that

29:30

puzzle. This is what they're gonna fill it with,

29:33

right? They're gonna, they, I think, I think it

29:35

had been a plan for a while to not

29:37

have Gen 10 hit until the

29:39

30th anniversary. It is just too good

29:41

of a lineup to

29:43

not take advantage all

29:45

of that going into the 30th. So

29:48

it was shiny right Quasar, but

29:50

that dream is still alive, Hannah.

29:52

That dream is not going anywhere.

29:54

There still exists. There's not a

29:58

doubt in my soul that there

30:00

won't be another legendary seven-star raid

30:02

and that legendary will be Rayquaza.

30:05

They can't do any other legend.

30:08

Well I mean they can. They can

30:10

do a lot of legends. But Rayquaza

30:12

is big money. Rayquaza bringing people back

30:14

to the gate. You just... we're

30:16

playing the long con on that one. But

30:22

okay so so so the other

30:24

thing that I said is like they're

30:27

not going to have a third DLC

30:29

and that third DLC is definitely not

30:31

going to be Kalos. And I said

30:33

this for months

30:36

and the reason I said this is because

30:38

even because there's two things that maybe three

30:40

things I would argue with Pokemon. But

30:42

number one is they

30:45

can sell you Pokemon for $60.

30:48

Simple as that. Like I

30:50

know people always joke when like the

30:52

DLC comes back they're like oh they

30:54

put Pokemon behind the paywall. The whole

30:56

game is behind. Like it's not a

30:59

free to play game. It's $60. Also

31:02

once the DLC comes out you can just

31:04

transfer them in from home or you can

31:06

just trade. Like they're not held hostage by

31:09

some like money. Like

31:13

you can just trade for them or you could raid

31:15

for them for free or you can import them from

31:17

home. Like it's not a free to play game. They

31:20

can sell you Pokemon for $60. But

31:22

they could also sell you a region.

31:26

I think it's so ironic that

31:28

like in Paldea being very close to

31:30

Kalos which everyone always talks about

31:32

like that little upper part. Like

31:34

are we just also forgetting that Galar is

31:37

literally like 10 feet away across the ocean.

31:39

Like Galar is right there too. Like it's

31:41

super close. But that being said you're in

31:43

the Paldea region and they take us to Unova

31:45

and then they take us back to Japan. We

31:47

don't know exactly where in Japan but they do

31:50

take us to two other regions. So if anything

31:52

if you're if you're raiding Pokemon games by how

31:54

many regions you go to, Garland

31:56

Violet has to be number one. It has one

31:58

more extra region than Harcole Solskjaer. over and

32:00

it's three it's crazy if

32:03

we're just raking games by regions that's

32:05

a yeah that's one extra region even

32:08

if you were like ah the Kalos dream is still

32:10

alive it's up there in the corner why

32:12

would they give that to us for $30 and why

32:15

would you want that for $30

32:17

Kalos did kind of get a

32:19

disservice by not getting a third

32:21

version 10 years ago so

32:24

wouldn't you want to go back when

32:26

they could realistically build it from the

32:28

ground up and not build it off

32:31

the whatever the mess

32:33

of Pal day is whatever

32:35

that engine is that scarlin

32:37

violets running it ain't good

32:40

it's not great I

32:42

guess it's like a win-win because

32:46

you're getting to get Kalos is

32:48

gonna get redeemed the dream of

32:50

Kalos is still alive and it's

32:53

non-scurling violet and hopefully it's not

32:55

running at 15 frames a second

32:57

like that's kind of big across

33:02

I don't be more like what do you want in legends

33:05

VA frame rate I

33:11

wanted that fall through the universe it's

33:13

like wait here's I think maybe this

33:15

is the last thing we could talk about before we

33:17

go to break we don't

33:19

even know like the starter situation

33:21

just because legends picked three

33:24

starters from other regions which I think was cool

33:27

doesn't mean that this game is doing

33:29

the same it doesn't

33:31

but I am all here for mega

33:33

superior I've already picked

33:35

mine I already picked my choices I

33:38

already I already put my bet down on

33:40

what I want snivey and Kalos just

33:42

seems right none of the X

33:44

and Y Pokemon are in legends right it's

33:46

not like oh what is

33:48

it's not like froky was one of them so

33:50

be like oh they already used froky and Arceus

33:53

so they can't use froky and za like they

33:55

didn't use any gen 6 I like

33:58

I just wouldn't be surprised if it's

34:01

just froaky, fennec in

34:04

chestbend. No,

34:08

don't be mean to chestbend. Chestbend

34:10

is great and quilladin

34:12

is also great. Chestnut, mm. Chestnut's

34:15

amazing. Shiny chestnut's pretty good.

34:18

The big armored paladin there to protect

34:20

you. All right, Megas, we

34:22

all knew when they would remake X

34:25

and Y, X2, Y2, XYZ,

34:28

Ultra X, Omega Y.

34:31

Of course they would add new legends. Pokemon

34:33

Legends Arceus only had 254 Pokemon, I think. Very

34:38

small Pokedex. There's

34:40

only 54, 56 legends, or

34:42

sorry, Megas. There's

34:46

not a lot of Megas. So 50 some

34:49

Megas out of 1,000 Pokemon. I

34:53

would be very shocked if they did more than

34:55

like 10. Yeah,

34:59

I would not expect very many, but

35:01

they're probably happening. Give

35:03

me two Pokemon you wanna see get Megas.

35:06

I'll start. Incineroar. I

35:10

think that's possible. I

35:14

think that's actually possible. I would love

35:16

a Megincineroar. We could finally see Incineroar

35:19

on all fours. Yeah,

35:21

there we go. Put a cape

35:23

on him. I'm very into

35:25

that. Wrestlers love capes. And

35:30

of course, Cramorant. But

35:32

I don't want, I want the Cramorant to be

35:34

the same like Hengascan. I just

35:36

want whatever's in his mouth to get

35:38

bigger. Like

35:42

still in his mouth or it pops out

35:44

like Hengascan and fights alongside Cramorant. Oh, that

35:46

would be cool. Yeah,

35:53

I don't know. I'm here for mega superior. I

35:56

think that would be neat. Well, what was

35:58

just a bigger snake? What's happening? Yeah,

36:01

give us a little background Hannah. It

36:03

depends on what a second type is gonna

36:05

be because they're gonna have to give it another type

36:08

for Omega. Not necessarily

36:10

have to but... What

36:13

would you want its second type

36:15

to be? Grass what? I was

36:17

convinced by a friend yesterday that

36:20

grass fairy would be interesting. I

36:23

don't necessarily see it but

36:25

I think it would be interesting. I

36:28

mean I want to make a Rosemary where it changes

36:30

from grass poison to grass fairy. Yeah.

36:32

Because it is part of the fairy egg group. Okay

36:35

hear me out mega Cramorant but it changes from

36:37

water to grass fairy. No.

36:40

That destroys the essence

36:42

of Cramorant. How

36:45

dare you. Okay what's this? I

36:48

said two so I got... The second one I

36:50

would like to see is I would like to

36:52

see mega Delphox. I like Delphox's

36:55

design a lot. I would like to see

36:57

it leap from the sort

36:59

of Meiji witchy thing

37:01

into something bigger Beiji or a

37:03

witchier. Is it not weird? I

37:06

think no. I'm gonna say

37:08

everyone has to be in agreement here. It's

37:10

very weird that the gen

37:12

6 starters did not get Megas in the

37:14

game that introduced Megas. Oh

37:16

yeah no. That was like huh? And

37:20

they never got them. They never got them

37:22

and they never will because they're not gonna get up

37:24

in this one either. I don't know. I don't know.

37:26

I feel like... I

37:29

think they stay on the shelf forever as

37:31

a middle finger to everybody who wants them.

37:33

Well okay so like gen

37:36

3 has Megas. Gen

37:39

1 has Megas. Gen 8

37:42

has Dynamax. Gen

37:45

6 has nothing. Gen 2

37:48

has Cyndaquil

37:51

in a different

37:53

evolution. Regional form. Regional.

37:55

So gen 2, gen

37:57

5 and gen 7 have... has

38:00

everything. Yeah, Gen 1 has everything. But

38:03

Gen 6 has nothing. That's what I'm saying. Gen

38:05

6 has nothing. At least Gen 2 has

38:07

one Pokemon that has one thing, the same

38:09

for Gen 5, the same for Gen

38:11

7. But Gen 6

38:13

has nothing. Shut out. Neither

38:16

does Gen 4. And it

38:18

still doesn't have anything. Or? Yeah, I guess

38:21

you're right. No Gigandmax, no Mega, no regional forms and

38:23

we've got- Yeah, but we got enough Gen 4. They

38:25

got two games in a year. We do have

38:28

enough Gen 4. We don't need any more.

38:30

But I'm just saying this argument doesn't necessarily

38:32

hold up. Even Gen 4 fans are like,

38:34

we got too much Gen 4. I don't

38:36

want to see another shit in my life.

38:39

Not like this. Please, not like this. Please,

38:41

not like this. To Gen 4

38:46

I say go find a used

38:48

DS, pop in Platinum and live your

38:50

best life. That game rocked. Or

38:52

play Legends Arceus. That game also was pretty

38:54

clear. Go

38:57

play BDSP, it's on sale I think this

38:59

week. Hannah,

39:02

what was your last Mega before we break? First

39:06

one that pops to mind is Mega Pyroar

39:08

because I think it deserves better. Hmm, okay.

39:10

Yeah, I could do

39:13

that. Does it change its normalness? Like

39:15

I said, it deserves better. So probably.

39:17

That's good. It can't

39:20

be hurt by ghosts. Fair,

39:23

but it could be better. Okay, we'll

39:25

take a break. Hold on, I gotta

39:27

get the last word in. Give me more for

39:30

Fru haircuts. Alright, okay. More for Fru haircuts. Give

39:32

me more. Alright, we'll take

39:36

a break and

39:39

we'll talk about, I think Pocket,

39:42

the new mobile app they announced is actually the most exciting

39:44

thing because we actually know what it is and that's why

39:47

I think it's the most exciting thing. So we'll be right

39:49

back. But we'll talk about it at the same speed that

39:51

they did in the thing. So it'll be about two minutes.

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They announce... Silver

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That's all I have in front

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42:40

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42:42

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42:44

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42:52

They also didn't mention. You're

42:54

gonna take it to poll and

42:57

then you can choose one of those three pairs

43:00

just because.

43:02

Is Zashian not the best out

43:04

of those three? No, it is. Okay.

43:07

But some people already have Zashian

43:09

until you have other options. But

43:11

yes, if you're gonna pick one,

43:14

just go with Zashian. Plus,

43:16

Questek lets you get Gloria

43:18

in the Smooching Lodge. So

43:21

you get more for that one than you

43:23

do with the other ones. There's a new champion.

43:25

The whole Gita storyline is.

43:27

There's a new storyline. Which

43:31

is pretty fun. The point being is. Does it

43:33

have anything to do with Paldea? Nope.

43:36

Okay. I mean Gita is an

43:38

interesting character that I think they could have gone

43:40

into more. But if they don't. Her

43:43

reason for being there is

43:46

based off of her position in Paldea

43:48

and they talk about it, but it

43:50

doesn't expand on Paldea's

43:54

anything other than she's like, hey, I found my way here.

43:56

And by the way, I'm better

43:58

than all of you. So

44:01

that's my deal. They

44:04

really missed an opportunity here with, I

44:07

feel like there's been several Pokemon days where

44:10

they have this really well animated trailer

44:12

and then people are like, oh my gosh,

44:14

gen 4 confirmed or gen 3 confirmed and

44:16

then it just ends up saying Pokemon Masters

44:18

at the end. And I

44:20

thought because we had the, because

44:23

how mobile games work that once the update

44:25

is pushed people are like, this is what's

44:27

coming. And so when I saw

44:29

Silver and Tyrantus are coming, I'm like, oh, so

44:31

the presents is going to have like a 30

44:33

second trailer and then people are going to think

44:36

that this is like a

44:38

sequel to Johto and then it's going to say

44:40

Pokemon Masters at the end. Well, they didn't

44:42

even do that. They already thought that because of all the

44:44

unknowns throughout the presents. That's

44:47

true. I always laugh because they're

44:49

like unknowns. I'm like, it's their, it's

44:51

how they spell things. It's their alphabet.

44:53

The only thing that is still confusing

44:55

is what, what it meant at the

44:57

end. It was just see

44:59

you, it was just jumbled up. Because if you

45:01

go back to the first one where it says Pokemon

45:03

Presents, it was also jumbled. It didn't actually spell it

45:05

properly. I think unknown just

45:07

can't spell. Yeah. I

45:10

think that's the real takeaway from this present.

45:12

Yeah. These Pokemon don't know how to spell words.

45:15

They use that as their in game alphabet. It

45:18

doesn't mean anything anymore. Because

45:21

I think Masters, there's just a lot to do in

45:23

Masters right now. So if you want to jump back

45:25

in, you're getting a ton of stuff for free. There's

45:27

a lot of storylines happening right now. You

45:29

can get Riley and Lucario for free.

45:31

You can get a bunch of good

45:34

sync pairs for free plus a lot

45:36

of polls. So if you just want

45:38

to collect some people and then take pictures

45:40

of them and their outfits. I'm

45:43

going to log in right now. You can do that

45:45

now at your, at your

45:47

leisure. There's a lot to

45:49

do that is just fluff. Like it's just

45:51

like, okay, I get to play with things

45:53

in this because it still has nothing to

45:55

do with battling. Although, did

45:57

you get their email that's like, if

45:59

you want a soup. exciting battling game

46:01

play Pokemon Masters. I don't think I

46:03

got that email. Oh I got it

46:06

on both my accounts. I think

46:08

that's strategic. If you're looking for a

46:10

strategic battle. Single player

46:13

experience Pokemon Masters. What

46:16

is going on? I don't know my Pokemon of the

46:18

day that popped up was Electrode so. Silver's

46:21

outfit looks incredible looks very very good.

46:23

Oh yeah it's his Neo Champion outfit

46:25

so. I guess we didn't talk about

46:27

this in the like 45 minutes

46:30

we spent talking about the VA which

46:32

is much longer than anything they showed us is

46:35

that there's like I guess there's

46:37

two conversations here. The first conversation is how

46:42

every single quote-unquote

46:44

leaker or data

46:46

miner or youtuber who covers

46:49

leaks and stuff were just wrong and

46:52

they were all like desperately trying to

46:54

backpedal on Pokemon Day of

46:56

like no it was callous all along except

46:58

they were all saying like their DLCs or

47:00

Let's Go Johto or Black and White 3

47:02

right like they were all just wrong and

47:04

it is like frustrating as me

47:07

hosting the show of

47:10

trying to point out that they're

47:13

wrong a lot of the times like

47:16

they are there are some things they were right

47:18

about for sure like like broken

47:20

clock is right twice a day. Not if

47:22

it's digital. Yeah you

47:26

make a good point Greg. Then it's just

47:28

broken and it's never right cuz it doesn't

47:31

work. The amount of people

47:33

that just believed that this was going

47:35

to happen because of those megaphones

47:38

that they have is a little frustrating

47:40

because then of course they're

47:42

they're wrong and then they are upset

47:44

and then it's like this weird media

47:46

literacy is already at like an all-time

47:48

low and then you just have people

47:50

saying like I know for sure I was

47:53

right about this and then like that stuff doesn't happen

47:55

so it's like and then the other part

47:57

of the conversation which I think goes

47:59

really hand in hand with that first part is like,

48:02

look at all of these references. So

48:04

it has to be this. And I

48:06

remember when I, when Nintendo flew me

48:09

out to play the DLC, and

48:11

I actually never talked about this because I, I

48:14

don't know, cause I, I felt like if I, if I brought

48:16

it up, like people would like short get off, but

48:19

when the Nintendo reps sat me down and she

48:22

was like, she literally said this,

48:24

well, for those that

48:26

maybe missed that episode, Nintendo reps like

48:28

to not give you any answers to

48:31

anything. So when I'm like, how

48:33

big is this area compared to

48:36

Kidacalmi? And the answer is like,

48:38

you gotta find out on your own, or

48:41

I'll be like, how many like new

48:43

Pokemon are you going to bring back? You

48:45

gotta find out on it. It's always like, it's always

48:48

like, wait and see. But

48:51

when I sat down, unprompted,

48:53

she said, Hey, there's

48:55

a lot of references to old games here.

48:58

They're just references. And

49:01

I still think that like Pokemon fans can't

49:03

get that out of their head where

49:05

like this entire franchise just plays

49:07

to nostalgia. So when you

49:10

go to an area like the blueberry

49:12

academy and people are like, oh my

49:14

gosh, this like Lacey is Clay's daughter.

49:17

Yeah, you're in, you know, why

49:19

that doesn't mean. Gen

49:22

5 remakes are coming. There

49:24

were like so many things in like Kalos

49:26

that were just like Gen 1 references like

49:28

the forest, the very first forest you walk

49:30

through in Kanto is literally

49:33

Viridian forest. It's just not called Viridian forest.

49:35

I can't remember what it's called. That

49:37

doesn't mean that like Kanto

49:40

remakes are around the corner. I

49:42

mean, yeah. No, and this isn't something

49:45

that just happens in Pokemon when

49:47

an Easter egg legitimately happens once

49:49

people are going to look for

49:51

it forever. Just like when there

49:54

was an item in the trashcan

49:56

in one of the games a very, very long

49:59

time ago. I still check it. I'm

50:01

trying to check it. I don't know if they'll crash.

50:03

I need to know when the crash can. But

50:08

like that goes back to the unknown is like the

50:10

unknown came on screen. So people are like, oh my

50:12

gosh, Jen too. And it was like, that's their alphabet.

50:15

That's how they spell things. The

50:18

issue is, is that companies play

50:21

with that a lot, right?

50:23

Like they deliberately put in

50:26

things that are meaningful and things that aren't.

50:29

And like to use

50:31

people's speculation and natural

50:33

curiosity for both

50:35

good and evil, right? Like as

50:38

long as you're talking about the game,

50:40

they don't care how right or wrong you

50:42

are, how much you've read into

50:45

something or how much you didn't read into

50:47

something. The whole point was to get

50:49

you talking. So when Janine

50:52

showed up, was it Janine who showed up on the

50:54

beach? And one of them, you're like, why

50:56

are you here? I think it's in, isn't

50:59

it Diamond and Pearl? She's on

51:01

the beach before you go to Victory Road and you're like,

51:03

why are you here? Because she

51:05

exists in the world, right? Like sometimes

51:08

what they do and I appreciate is

51:10

they're trying to make the world feel

51:12

like people move around in a region

51:14

lock. Yeah. But also

51:16

sometimes they're like, wink, wink,

51:18

did you see we put her in that? Because we were

51:20

secretly telling you this and you never know which is which.

51:22

Right. Like Grimsley

51:25

is like the surf master in Sun and Moon.

51:27

He's like the best surfer in the entire world,

51:29

which is really funny because that man shops at

51:31

Hot Topic and like... He

51:34

gambles all of his money away. Top

51:36

to bottom and then he's like the surf man,

51:39

but that didn't mean like black and white

51:41

were also coming. Like it's not bad. I literally

51:43

just said like masters usually like trolls us

51:45

with like showing a character to make everyone think.

51:48

Like I think Greg's

51:50

100% right where they do

51:52

use references. I

51:55

don't want to say ill intentioned, but they

51:57

know like, oh, if we put something here, people are going

51:59

to say it. to talk about it even

52:01

though it's just like we're

52:03

just using our archive

52:06

of nostalgia. What

52:09

part of nostalgia can we sprinkle in this

52:11

region or what part of nostalgia can we

52:13

sprinkle at the end of this alley? But

52:17

again, I think it was the combination of

52:19

like the nostalgia being sprinkled and

52:22

data like or leakers being like

52:24

I know for sure that Jotw

52:27

is the next game. And

52:30

it does. It happens in the

52:32

Star Wars community. It happens in the

52:34

Disney community. People

52:39

will show up in the background and

52:41

they're gonna be like people

52:43

who make these games also like to have fun

52:45

and will sometimes put things in there that make

52:47

them laugh. I

52:49

wrote an entire book for

52:52

Cyberdish and

53:13

people sort of inability to

53:15

keep perspective as to

53:17

what is actually possible

53:19

and also manage their

53:23

expectations that they aren't crushed

53:26

when the thing that they imagined in

53:28

their brain didn't come true. Like it's

53:30

fun to speculate like I can talk

53:33

about what I want for Z and

53:35

A but I know full forth I

53:37

have no control over that game. These

53:40

are things that I would love. They probably

53:42

won't happen. Right? Like I

53:44

have to keep my hype. But

53:48

I have to keep my own levels of

53:51

expectations in

53:53

check so that I don't

53:56

unfairly judge something against what

53:59

I thought it was going to be. going to be. Things

54:02

deserve to be judged

54:04

on the merit of what they

54:06

chose to present, not what you

54:08

expected them to present. Challenge

54:11

Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise and Terror Raids.

54:14

I thought Greg made a good point I

54:16

didn't have anything else to add. I'm already

54:18

yap enough. I

54:20

challenged Venusaur with a big

54:22

pink dog. The Pokemon video game series kicked

54:25

off 28 years ago

54:27

when Red and Green were released

54:29

in Japan on February 27th, 1996.

54:33

You can celebrate by

54:35

battling Venusaur with the Ground-type Terror.

54:38

That will run until, if you're listening to this

54:40

on Monday, that ends on Tuesday night. And

54:43

then Blastoise with the

54:45

Steel-type Terror will go for a week. And

54:48

then Charizard with the Dragon-type Terror will

54:50

return and will not be a

54:52

full week. I think it's actually only like five days for

54:54

Charizard. But this is our first seven-star

54:57

repeat. I do expect

54:59

some of these seven-stars to repeat. So

55:01

if you missed like a Decidueye or

55:04

a Delphox, I do expect them to

55:06

eventually come back. Part of the reason

55:08

why I was like so confident of like not

55:10

seeing a game this year was

55:13

as we record this podcast, the Paldea

55:16

anime is still not out

55:18

in the United States. They're

55:20

not done with Paldea.

55:23

It's less than a week. There's

55:25

less than a week until it's out. It's

55:27

March 7th. They're still not done with Paldea.

55:30

But whether or not you hate

55:32

Scarlet and Violet or like Scarlet and Violet

55:35

or Scarlet and Violet has these

55:37

amount of issues, which is all true. I'm not going to

55:39

disagree with anyone. They did set

55:41

up Scarlet and Violet to be a

55:44

long-term game. Like we're going

55:46

to see every single starter in seven-star

55:48

raids and we're probably going to see

55:50

other non-starters like Iron Bundle

55:53

or Mewtwo or Pikachu

55:55

or Eevee like appear in seven-star raids. Like

55:58

you might hate raids. But

56:00

that doesn't mean, which is fine,

56:03

but that doesn't mean they are not prepared

56:05

for the next, what, the game is

56:07

like 16 months old at this point, 15 months old. And

56:11

if this game is the last three years,

56:13

like most main series games, we have another

56:16

18 more months to go. And

56:18

I expect all the starters,

56:21

I expect another Legendary to show up. Like, I

56:23

expect them to keep doing that. I also expect

56:25

them to keep doing outbreaks, which there was no,

56:27

they didn't outbreak before Pokemon Day, which was the

56:29

Pokeball outbreak. Who would have

56:32

guessed that the epilogue, the thing

56:34

that means the ending, was

56:36

actually the ending to that

56:40

game? Surprise! The

56:45

epilogue was the ending. Anyways,

56:48

so I would expect the lifespan of Scarlet

56:50

and Violet to be continued with 7 star

56:52

raids and 5 star raids, continue

56:54

with the mass outbreaks, and

56:56

continued with a competitive scene. Now,

56:59

if you don't like outbreaks,

57:02

and you don't like battles, and you

57:04

don't like raids, then the game is done for you. That's

57:06

it. Like, the story is done. But

57:09

I think as like a

57:11

game with no

57:13

monthly cost, a game with no

57:15

microtransactions, a game that ultimately

57:18

you buy once, plus the DLC

57:20

you buy once, I think that's

57:22

really healthy and good for a game to

57:25

like continue to be supported this

57:27

long after release. And

57:30

I don't think there's anything

57:33

wrong with not having a game

57:35

this year when

57:37

they're continuing to add content

57:39

literally like every 2 weeks in this

57:42

game. Like it feels like if it's

57:44

not a tournament, then

57:46

it's an outbreak. If it's not an outbreak, it's

57:50

a 7 star raid. If you've already done the

57:52

7 star raid, well cool, we're bringing back Blissey

57:54

the following week so you can at least grind

57:56

candy. Like, I think they've done a really

57:58

good job at that. Now, this wasn't

58:01

the Rayquaza I wanted, but I still

58:03

think the Rayquaza is coming. Come on.

58:06

Unless these reds have Urba. Yes.

58:08

I'm curious if Blastoise will also

58:10

have Urba. Because

58:13

I could see them switching it up and being

58:16

like Blastoise drops bottle caps. Like

58:18

more often than not because I don't know,

58:20

bottle caps are like metal. It's a steel

58:22

type. I mean,

58:24

we are at the end sort of. So

58:27

that's when they start loosening up what

58:29

they give away for free. So I'm not surprised

58:31

that they're going to be like, okay. Here's some

58:33

Urba. Here's some Urba so

58:36

they can shiny hunt. Here's stuff to do to fill

58:38

in the lengthy time between the

58:40

next one. And

58:42

it's no, we no longer have much

58:44

of an interest in keeping it so

58:47

tightly controlled. It

58:49

was funny because when I was doing that Pokemon Day video, one

58:53

year for Sun and Moon, their prize

58:55

to go to GameStop was a single

58:57

bottle cap. Not a gold bottle cap.

58:59

Oh yeah, I remember that. It was

59:01

a single bottle cap was

59:03

like, go to GameStop to

59:06

celebrate Pokemon Day and get your

59:08

one bottle cap. And

59:11

now I'm pretty sure you can just buy bottle caps in

59:13

Carlet and Violet. Like I think the

59:16

Delibird store just sells a bottle cap for $20,000. You

59:19

can also get them real easily in the item

59:22

printer. Yeah. Back

59:24

in Sun and Moon, you're like,

59:26

oh man, that's so weird. I'm

59:29

going to go talk to this person to get

59:31

a bottle cap. I need that bottle cap. I'm

59:33

curious if they do anything with Charizard. We

59:36

know for sure you can only catch one per save file. They

59:39

did state that. But I am curious if Charizard

59:41

will have the same exact move

59:43

set or do the same exact thing. They

59:45

do feel like they've learned a lot with

59:47

seven star raids and how players play. Also

59:50

we have a lot of cool Pokemon that would

59:53

feel like it would do way better against

59:55

Charizard that we thought 14 months ago. I

59:58

think Pheasantipity would be really cool. good against Charizard because it's

1:00:01

very tight and it gets access

1:00:03

to acid spray so it just would accelerate

1:00:05

that raid way way quicker. Resundipity

1:00:08

wasn't a thing 16 months ago. Sounds

1:00:11

so cool. That was the

1:00:13

Scarlet and Violet news with that and

1:00:16

then Pokemon Unite, they did

1:00:19

officially announce Surruledge coming

1:00:21

at a later date. Maridon. Again,

1:00:25

this feels like this Unite thing could have been like

1:00:27

90 seconds but they were

1:00:29

like here in 20 seconds. We gotta

1:00:31

hustle, we gotta hustle. I don't

1:00:34

know why they were hustling so fast. And there

1:00:36

was a code in there. I was like I

1:00:38

want that code, please. Poke

1:00:41

day 24. Also, Unite's

1:00:43

in a bad spot again. So the Krydon

1:00:45

Mariah is so good. Is

1:00:47

as bad as expected. To

1:00:49

be clear, the EX ban is

1:00:53

both seasonal so it will be banned

1:00:55

and not banned depending on what they

1:00:57

want to do. Also the

1:00:59

ban only kicks in in Masters anyways because you

1:01:01

would still run into them all the way up

1:01:03

to there. The question everybody is,

1:01:06

there's a couple of things that sort of upset me

1:01:08

about that we're back in

1:01:10

Mewtwo and Zashian land

1:01:12

again. It's

1:01:15

overpowered which means the next two

1:01:17

releases are going to be judged

1:01:19

against how overpowered Maridon is and

1:01:22

two very cool looking interesting play

1:01:24

styles are going to

1:01:26

be trashed because they aren't, I'm halfway across

1:01:29

the map and I can just blow

1:01:31

everybody up with lightning. Maridon

1:01:34

is way overpowered as

1:01:36

is their want despite them saying they're going to

1:01:38

keep it controlled. They never do that at release.

1:01:40

That's how they sell those licenses. That's how they

1:01:43

get people back in. It

1:01:45

will probably be fixed hopefully on

1:01:47

a faster turnaround time. But

1:01:49

if you find the legendary

1:01:52

dominance and always, because right now

1:01:54

it is very likely that you'll

1:01:56

run into a team of Mewtwo,

1:01:58

Zashian and Marida. and it

1:02:01

is just... Sounds like Pokemon Showdown. Yeah, I

1:02:03

mean it is just a miserable

1:02:06

experience, right? Like from top to bottom that

1:02:08

that is going to be a miserable

1:02:12

time. Even

1:02:14

if they are bad at playing those

1:02:16

characters, they are so overpowered. If you

1:02:18

see a comfy or a blissy also

1:02:20

just surrender at

1:02:22

the five minute mark, save yourself

1:02:24

some sanity. Again, I'm not...

1:02:27

I don't think Unite's in a good

1:02:29

place right now. I think

1:02:31

it will get back there. Moridon

1:02:34

is... I don't

1:02:36

find the gameplay that interesting.

1:02:40

It just is like a bunch of

1:02:43

the other legendaries. Overpowered. It

1:02:46

does things that other things can do, just

1:02:48

souped up to a thousand. I'm

1:02:52

hoping that Unite will get back in alignment

1:02:54

faster but it took at least two months

1:02:56

for Mewtwo to get into some form of

1:02:58

balance and their balance was we're making it

1:03:01

EX and it's going to be banned sometimes.

1:03:04

So I cannot say

1:03:06

go back to Unite right now. I'm still

1:03:08

playing it. I'm still fighting. Also the sparkle

1:03:10

spray is... Sparkling? I

1:03:15

used it. I used it

1:03:17

once. I wanted to see. I have weird

1:03:19

glitter that makes it look like my camera's

1:03:22

doused in Vaseline because it makes the figures...

1:03:24

Do other people see your sparkle

1:03:27

spray? When you sparkle spray, do other people

1:03:29

see it? Yeah. They see it

1:03:31

on the map. Yeah,

1:03:34

they see you shining. It

1:03:36

leaves a little trail behind

1:03:38

but ultimately... Whatever.

1:03:43

You get five for free and at

1:03:46

some point maybe use all five and be

1:03:48

done and never touch it again. You

1:03:50

can get Marite on for free. As

1:03:52

always, you play the dumb board game

1:03:55

to collect sandwiches. It's sandwiches this time.

1:03:58

They make those. And Then once you get... A

1:04:01

thousand sandwiches. You.

1:04:04

Get more I them for free or you to

1:04:06

skip it and by I'm sorry this happened by

1:04:08

I'm which is what they want you to do

1:04:10

cause right now you can basically blast your way

1:04:12

through every rank with this thing. Speaking.

1:04:15

Of a game I'll never touch again. Cafe remix are

1:04:17

they added Gimme Go and Golden go to that game.

1:04:20

Sir. At. An

1:04:22

embryo back your boy your screen

1:04:24

sees being served at the cafe.

1:04:26

I do like my boy but

1:04:28

I just don't like that form

1:04:30

of puzzle game. Would

1:04:32

rather build a building. I.

1:04:35

Already had to in that. Here. Let's as

1:04:37

about the absolutely. Most exciting announcement!

1:04:40

Of the whole presents. Pokemon.

1:04:43

Sleep. Now. Or talk

1:04:45

and that was the good stuff. Are.

1:04:48

Also they announce a budget stuff. For.

1:04:50

Pokemon Sleep. After the presents

1:04:52

which could have been included in the

1:04:54

present it was for. that was so

1:04:57

weird because it was so when as

1:04:59

and most presents are like eighteen, twenty

1:05:01

twenty four minutes. I'm just naming the

1:05:03

like the last three presents before this

1:05:06

they were like closer to twenty minutes.

1:05:08

Dishonest thirteen. It felt so rushed even

1:05:10

though like that really rush. Just

1:05:13

give you night Thirty more seconds.

1:05:15

Give masters thirty more seconds. Give

1:05:17

Pokemon sleep Thirty more seconds Like.

1:05:20

Your. You are. You're not. It's your. It's

1:05:22

your duty vizier. You. Are

1:05:25

not name. Is

1:05:27

loving brought up The fuck am I

1:05:29

as I can hear it was really

1:05:32

bizarre how fast they this is as

1:05:34

is like what is happening. So

1:05:36

this then are that legendary

1:05:38

pokemon are finally coming to

1:05:40

poke him on. Sleep.

1:05:44

Ah which is righto and say and

1:05:46

sweet hoon to into remix and from

1:05:48

plus goes into the as let's go

1:05:50

don't confirmed ah but because the presents

1:05:53

once so quickly it was very kind

1:05:55

of confusing of like. How

1:05:58

to get those pokemon? All.

1:06:01

Workers are starting off with righto So here I have

1:06:03

the i have the right oh thing it says. Beginning.

1:06:06

At the end of March were holding

1:06:08

a Riker Research. You. Take shame

1:06:10

samples of righto mean that you

1:06:12

collect during the event for righto

1:06:14

incense. And. Then you will be

1:06:17

able to research Rikers various sleep types. Electric

1:06:20

type help or pokemon will be particularly helpful

1:06:22

so we recommend you raising your electric type

1:06:24

help or pokemon to get ready. Electric.

1:06:27

Type helper, pokemon or p get you right

1:06:29

to jolt the and P to Murray Flat,

1:06:32

the and Ambrose. literally like six hours later

1:06:34

they're like we're announcing did M S which

1:06:36

were also. Be enough was yeah.

1:06:39

It makes it's. Like

1:06:41

the do we need the master ball for

1:06:43

that Then. Like. It

1:06:45

probably. Is it worth

1:06:47

master ball? L gets it's It's very weird.

1:06:50

They. Also announced that you'll get Ten Pokey best get

1:06:52

some a thousand diamonds which is a lotta diamonds.

1:06:55

For. Free just by logging in. So.

1:06:57

Do that else. Announcers as a new

1:06:59

trial bundle. Which. Will gets you

1:07:02

five hundred diamonds. Hen Pokey

1:07:04

best gets a good camp ticket. Of.

1:07:06

That's it. Ah, that will be

1:07:09

to Ninety Nine a good can't take

1:07:11

it by itself is ultimately five dollars.

1:07:14

Plus you're getting diamond sponsor getting Pokey

1:07:16

Biscuits so. If you're the

1:07:19

type of person that like normally doesn't

1:07:21

give mobile games money analysts a really

1:07:23

good deal. That's. A

1:07:25

really good deal. If. You

1:07:27

don't plan to give that money then? If

1:07:29

this isn't going to entice you, Nothing.

1:07:32

Else while this is a good deal, so if if this is

1:07:34

not good enough for you, And. Continue

1:07:36

not giving him money. I support your I

1:07:38

support your decision. Whether. It's Iridium. Much

1:07:40

better deal than most of their other

1:07:43

bundles. Yes, it costs twenty to fifty

1:07:45

dollars. And then they

1:07:47

announce electric type week. So.

1:07:49

Much of this was not in the present. Like.

1:07:52

Your type week will be our it's

1:07:54

eleventh through March eighteenth. More.

1:07:56

Electric type pokemon will spawn. You.

1:07:58

also be able to use them mini candy

1:08:00

boost function which doubles the effects of candies

1:08:02

but also doubles the effects of or

1:08:04

it costs more Dream Shards to use. More

1:08:08

Pokemon will be hungry this week. Effects

1:08:11

applied separately of Incense and Good

1:08:13

Camp Ticket. Also

1:08:16

you can get rewards like Dedenne.

1:08:19

Dedenne will make its debut. On

1:08:21

top of Dedenne debuting, Dedenne will

1:08:23

have a new ability in the game

1:08:26

which is called Tasty Chance Small which

1:08:28

will increase your chance of getting critical

1:08:31

hit when you're cooking. Don't

1:08:33

know what that is. You get the

1:08:35

little exclamation point above your pot. That

1:08:38

means you've done a critical hit. During

1:08:40

Monday through Saturday it's a 10% chance every time you

1:08:42

cook. On Sunday it's a 30% chance

1:08:44

when you cook. For

1:08:46

those thinking that Pokemon sleep is a

1:08:49

very basic and nothingness

1:08:51

game, you're wrong. There's so

1:08:53

much to do. It's so

1:08:55

advanced. I'm so into it.

1:08:58

And I'm very excited

1:09:00

for Dedenne. Dedenne actually sounds

1:09:02

pretty exciting. I get

1:09:04

that little bonus maybe once

1:09:06

every three weeks so

1:09:08

being able to up the chances there sounds

1:09:11

pretty great if

1:09:13

I keep playing. And it sounds like... it sounds

1:09:16

like... Just dang on that end there.

1:09:18

The Dedenne skill will apply until you

1:09:20

eventually get it. So when

1:09:22

a little skill activates and

1:09:25

you don't critical hit that

1:09:27

next time it's still technically active. It will

1:09:29

stay active until you do crit. So

1:09:32

it's not... you're not using

1:09:34

the skill for the next cooking. Well you are

1:09:36

but it... but you don't have

1:09:38

to apply it again every time you cook.

1:09:40

It will stay active until the

1:09:43

crit actually hits. So I don't

1:09:45

know how that stacks but it

1:09:48

sounds like Dedenne.

1:09:50

It says on the website that it can stack

1:09:52

up to a maximum of 70%. Oh

1:09:55

so every time you use it it's gonna keep going up

1:09:57

and up which is cool. I don't know what that means.

1:10:00

means when you have like a seven or six but

1:10:07

I would assume that like the day

1:10:10

today and to ingredient finders yeah

1:10:12

today sounds very good regardless of

1:10:15

what what you're doing a denny what women

1:10:17

did when the denny does appear which is

1:10:20

March 11th will only be on

1:10:22

green grass and it will only be on lapis

1:10:25

and I think on green grass it's not going to

1:10:27

start appearing until you get to ultra on lapis it

1:10:29

won't start appearing until you get to great so

1:10:33

just keep that in mind probably

1:10:35

a better chance of the Dan and lapis because

1:10:39

green grass has a lot

1:10:41

of other a lot yeah there's a lot of green grass so

1:10:43

I don't know pick your battles I mean

1:10:46

I'm on lapis now I'm staying there until I get

1:10:49

high ranks there's gonna it's also

1:10:51

showing up during the electric type weeks

1:10:53

so probably higher chances if

1:10:56

we would hope we can

1:10:59

only hope but yeah I think a

1:11:01

lot of a lot of Pokemon sleep it was again

1:11:03

a bit of a bummer they didn't show any of

1:11:05

that during the they have a

1:11:07

neat little ryku animation yeah yeah

1:11:10

yeah yeah I feel like announcing electric week

1:11:12

is coming and today

1:11:14

a electric week coming ryko that's

1:11:16

like 90 seconds yeah

1:11:18

it just felt so weirdly

1:11:20

abbreviated and also at like

1:11:22

lightning fast speed abbreviated

1:11:25

yeah the whole the

1:11:27

whole presents just felt

1:11:30

very abbreviated let's talk

1:11:32

about the very last thing

1:11:34

they we could mention

1:11:37

they brought up the anime it's coming soon it's

1:11:41

the carrot on the stick has been very long

1:11:43

for the u.s. folks on this anime thing so

1:11:46

sleep masters unite

1:11:48

cafe remix new game

1:11:51

anime anime based event

1:11:53

and go anime based event and go good call

1:11:55

with a brain captain Pikachu to go that was

1:11:57

a surprise to no one since we saw that

1:12:00

Captain Pikachu got added two three

1:12:02

weeks ago and

1:12:06

then Char-Kadet, Armor Rouge, Suruul Edge

1:12:08

coming to go and then

1:12:10

they did like a 24 hour 48 hour hat Pokemon

1:12:12

in go which was like

1:12:16

fun and nice party

1:12:18

hats for Pokemon day party hats for Pokemon

1:12:20

day and then they announced

1:12:23

a brand new game mobile game

1:12:25

is well it's a game it

1:12:27

is a game it's a new game it is a game it's

1:12:30

called pocket it

1:12:32

is the I think the most shocking thing about

1:12:34

this is it's being made by DNA which

1:12:38

shock that's surprised shocking that DNA

1:12:40

is making another game shocking

1:12:42

in like good

1:12:44

because I think whether or not

1:12:46

you like masters it's really well made oh yeah

1:12:49

yeah it's very well made um and

1:12:51

so that is like if

1:12:54

it's like the opposite feeling of Ilka

1:12:56

like you see Ilka on something and you're like

1:12:59

oh but you see DNA

1:13:01

and you're like whoa they're pretty good yeah

1:13:04

I'm in I'm in also

1:13:08

kind of makes sense you know we're not

1:13:11

gonna sugarcoat it Pokemon masters is a gotcha

1:13:13

game this uh pocket

1:13:15

seems good for you

1:13:17

gotcha so

1:13:19

it's in collaboration with creatures

1:13:21

uh creatures does make the TCG I

1:13:24

went to creatures while I was in

1:13:26

Japan the Pokemon company invited me I

1:13:29

think we've talked about it a little bit on on

1:13:31

the podcast so I've said I've talked about it on

1:13:33

the stream I wasn't allowed to like record like

1:13:36

any video footage but we asked them like a bunch of

1:13:38

questions and stuff the guy you see in the presents was

1:13:41

the guy that I interviewed he's the CEO

1:13:43

of creatures the guy in like all black

1:13:46

fun fact he was also wearing all black when

1:13:48

I interviewed him it seems like the guy likes

1:13:50

all black his favorite Pokemon is Gengar that was

1:13:52

asked um his favorite TCG

1:13:55

set was tag team which I think

1:13:57

was a super good answer I think

1:13:59

tag team was absolutely brilliant when it came

1:14:01

to the TCG. And

1:14:03

another bit of trivia, he says that he doesn't

1:14:05

take any Pokémon cards home and there are no

1:14:08

Pokémon cards allowed in his house. So

1:14:11

a real fun fact about him. Not

1:14:14

one of those people with a Pokémon card displayed on the back,

1:14:16

their phone then, I guess. No, I don't

1:14:18

think so. I think he is. I think he's

1:14:21

very business. I

1:14:23

got the energy of like, my personal

1:14:25

life and my work life are incredibly

1:14:28

separate and I like it that way.

1:14:30

And I understand. I can respect that. It's

1:14:32

totally fair. This

1:14:35

is a collaboration with creatures and DNA

1:14:37

to make this. It's

1:14:41

ultimately a collecting app. You

1:14:43

collect digital cards. You

1:14:46

get two free packs a day. There

1:14:48

is trading where you can trade cards. And

1:14:52

there is a small battle

1:14:56

mode so you can like, battle

1:14:58

other people or actually, I don't know if you can

1:15:00

battle other people. You can do little battle

1:15:02

card battles against, as far as we know,

1:15:05

a CPU. I'm not actually sure if you

1:15:07

can battle other people, but you

1:15:09

can trade other people. That's like the whole

1:15:11

gimmick there. And then there's like, they're

1:15:14

called immersive cards, which

1:15:17

are cards where you can like, dive into the

1:15:19

illustration, which is really cool. In

1:15:22

retrospect, it is

1:15:24

shocking it has taken this long for

1:15:26

an app like this to exist. They

1:15:29

did also come out and say that this is

1:15:31

not an NFT app. I don't know why that

1:15:33

joke went around. There

1:15:37

have been plenty of digital

1:15:40

collecting cards apps for a

1:15:42

decade on iOS and Android.

1:15:44

Well before NFTs were even in anyone's

1:15:46

mouth. Yeah. Is

1:15:50

this the Pokemon Marvel Snap? I've never

1:15:52

played Snap. Yeah, it is. I mean, a

1:15:54

lot of people I know who are excited

1:15:56

who play, who wanted to be similar to

1:15:59

Marvel Snap. Like the collecting part,

1:16:01

I played snap for a little while. Like the

1:16:03

collecting part sounds the same. You

1:16:05

get multiple versions of cars and they all have

1:16:07

different art and you can swap them in and

1:16:10

out. And I

1:16:12

mean, in Marvel, if you do fight against other

1:16:14

people, like that's the

1:16:17

thing. And like there's

1:16:19

a little the snap thing is like, if you

1:16:21

think you're going to win, you can snap so

1:16:23

that the the pot for winning,

1:16:25

the points for winning are higher. So like if

1:16:28

you really think you're going to win, you'll snap

1:16:30

because it also will force the person to quit

1:16:32

because they're like, well, I don't want to lose that much. So

1:16:35

you kind of also get there's like a

1:16:37

lot of psychology in the Marvel

1:16:40

Snap universe about how to get your people

1:16:42

to quit or when you snap or when

1:16:44

you leave. But yeah,

1:16:46

I know a few people are like, I

1:16:49

hope it's as good as Marvel

1:16:51

Snap because it sounds a lot like Marvel

1:16:53

Snap, you know, and that I

1:16:56

would probably try it for a little bit

1:16:59

if it's that fast of a

1:17:01

gameplay like Marvel. Yeah, plays fast.

1:17:03

Honestly, I am kind of looking

1:17:05

forward to slightly simplified PCG battles

1:17:07

because playing a full round of

1:17:10

PCG can take some time. Oh,

1:17:12

yeah. It seems like it's going to be a

1:17:14

whole lot quicker and faster and more. Easy

1:17:18

to get into than that. Yeah,

1:17:21

I've I've got the immersive cards like I

1:17:23

want. Yeah, they're real pretty. I

1:17:25

was I was told by want

1:17:28

to go into the card. Dozens of people that

1:17:30

I would love Marvel Snap. And

1:17:33

I believe those people, I believe whatever Marvel

1:17:35

Snap is, I would like it. The

1:17:37

barrier to entry on that is

1:17:39

I do not care about Marvel

1:17:41

at all. And I'm sure if

1:17:44

I did a little bit, I

1:17:46

would like Marvel Snap. It

1:17:48

seems very cool from everything people have described to

1:17:50

me. Another comparison here.

1:17:54

Well, I guess I guess comparing time.

1:17:58

Pocket is not TCG. TCGL,

1:18:00

which TCGL, Pokemon Trading Card Game

1:18:03

Live replaced Pokemon Trading Card

1:18:05

Game Online, PTCGO. And

1:18:07

so the question I saw frequently is why

1:18:10

do both of these exist? And

1:18:12

I think the comparison here is probably

1:18:15

Yu-Gi-Oh. Yu-Gi-Oh has something called Master

1:18:17

Duel and then Yu-Gi-Oh has something called Dual Links. Dual

1:18:20

Links appeals mainly to casual players

1:18:22

and anime fans, while Master

1:18:24

Duel is geared more towards competitive

1:18:26

gameplay and is ideal for TCG

1:18:29

and OCG players. And

1:18:31

that's how Yu-Gi-Oh describes the

1:18:33

difference between the two. I

1:18:36

think a really, really important thing that people are

1:18:38

missing when they ask that question is like, why

1:18:41

don't they just roll this into TCGL?

1:18:44

Or why does TCGL exist then if this is

1:18:46

coming out? TCGL is an

1:18:49

American product. It's not available in

1:18:51

Japan. PTCGO was never

1:18:53

available in Japan. Neither

1:18:57

of those apps... Like

1:19:00

I don't know how hard or easy

1:19:02

it is for a player in like

1:19:04

Germany, Australia, China, South Korea, Japan to

1:19:06

get PTCGL. I'm sure

1:19:08

in most of those regions it's fine.

1:19:11

You make an account. I mean look, we can

1:19:13

make our switches go to Australia to get a

1:19:16

game early. When you buy a

1:19:18

booster pack in Japan, it comes with five cards.

1:19:20

It doesn't come with a code card. You

1:19:23

buy a booster pack in America, it's 10 cards.

1:19:25

It comes with a code card to PCGL. So

1:19:28

they're different. And also most

1:19:30

people playing PTCGL are not boot...

1:19:34

First off, that app is not good. We'll

1:19:36

just... It's

1:19:39

just not a very good app. Sorry,

1:19:42

bring back Direwolf Digital. They

1:19:44

made a decent

1:19:46

app to their... To

1:19:49

the limitations they had put on by

1:19:51

the Pokemon Company International. Sorry

1:19:54

Direwolf Digital, we miss you. They're still making

1:19:56

games. Go play route. People are

1:19:58

logging in to PTCGL. to practice

1:20:00

four tournaments and to climb the

1:20:02

ladder. And that's really it. That's what they're

1:20:04

doing. And that's fine. And that's the

1:20:07

service that is offering. There's

1:20:09

no trading at all in TCGL.

1:20:12

If you open your fifth Zigzagoon,

1:20:14

it turns into dust. You're

1:20:16

only allowed to have four Zigzagoons because you

1:20:18

only need four cards in a deck. Any

1:20:20

extra cards you have just gets crushed into

1:20:22

dust. You can use that dust to buy

1:20:24

cards you're missing. I am

1:20:27

sure there are some people listening to this podcast

1:20:29

that are like, I want to collect all the

1:20:31

cards in TCGL. You can do

1:20:33

that. There's not a huge

1:20:35

incentive to doing that, especially since there's not

1:20:37

trading. Whereas in PTCGO,

1:20:39

you could realistically complete a collection.

1:20:42

And there was bonuses

1:20:45

for completing a collection. But that was also

1:20:47

easy to do because one, there

1:20:49

was no dust to crush into. You just kept

1:20:51

opening packs and opening packs. And then you would

1:20:53

have like, I have seven Charizard

1:20:57

EXs. Cool, I can trade

1:20:59

three of them to somebody else on the auction board

1:21:01

or just literally do a trade. And

1:21:03

TCGL doesn't have that. And I think that's

1:21:05

fine for TCGL not to have that. But

1:21:08

I think separating out these apps, they

1:21:11

can both exist in the same world and not compete

1:21:13

with each other because Master Dual and

1:21:15

Dueling do not compete with each other. They're

1:21:18

different, as I described. And

1:21:20

I think there are players, including myself, that

1:21:23

want to collect Pokemon cards, but don't want

1:21:25

an entire shelf behind me with a bunch

1:21:27

of cards and boxes that I don't know

1:21:29

what to do with. Because

1:21:32

one, they're expensive. Two, they're

1:21:35

heavy. Three, sorting

1:21:37

them is a month affair.

1:21:39

I would have to quit everything in my life. If

1:21:42

you have a nine to five job, I don't know

1:21:44

how you're sorting Pokemon cards. It's a nightmare. So

1:21:48

having like a digital app where you can

1:21:51

have that feeling of collecting cards, where

1:21:53

you can trade, where you get free booster packs,

1:21:55

who knows how microtransactioning this is, and then to

1:21:57

do like quick matches, I think is...

1:22:00

So incredibly smart and so exciting.

1:22:02

Problem is now I want code

1:22:04

cards for Pocket anytime

1:22:06

I get actual IR cards.

1:22:09

I'm going to assume those code cards don't work.

1:22:13

No, they almost definitely won't. But

1:22:15

that's what I'd want because I have no interest in

1:22:17

the other one. Pocket looks interesting.

1:22:23

I think that's the big thing to think about too is like

1:22:25

the only reason you're probably downloading TCGL

1:22:28

is because you want to

1:22:30

practice and you want to play

1:22:32

more matches. Which is like, it's

1:22:34

awesome that that product exists for that. To

1:22:37

like practice before a tournament to test out a deck

1:22:39

to... Because like some cards are

1:22:41

expensive, right? Like if you have, you

1:22:44

know, Tapu Lele used to be an $80 card

1:22:47

and if your deck needed three of them but you

1:22:49

weren't sure and you didn't have that, you could like

1:22:52

test on TCGL and

1:22:54

be like, okay, I do feel comfortable with

1:22:56

three or maybe I actually need two. So

1:22:59

$160 versus $240, pretty big difference to be

1:23:02

like, okay, I'll only buy two. It

1:23:04

feels good with two, not three. But

1:23:06

man, Pocket looks so cool.

1:23:11

It's just like, I think it's so exciting to me

1:23:13

because it feels like it's

1:23:15

exactly what I want. Something

1:23:17

like, something that like, like

1:23:19

I just think about the

1:23:22

concept of Pokemon Home or even the concept of

1:23:24

Pokemon Go. And absolutely

1:23:26

my favorite thing in Pokemon Go is like to

1:23:28

trade people. Like I...

1:23:31

Well, I don't know if I scammed a lot of people

1:23:33

in LA but a lot of people were very excited

1:23:35

to get Sigilift from me. I was swimming in Sigilift

1:23:37

and I could pretty

1:23:39

much get anything I want for a Sigilift. And

1:23:42

just like how excited those people were to be

1:23:44

like, oh my gosh, I finally got Sigilift. Thank

1:23:46

you so much. Like travel to

1:23:49

Hawaii for worlds or something and

1:23:51

be like, oh man, I'm just

1:23:53

missing Charizard EX.

1:23:56

And I'm like, I have all of these like secret

1:23:58

rares or rainbow rares or... whatever and like

1:24:00

to just trade somebody. That is

1:24:03

so cool I think like

1:24:06

to me because I feel

1:24:08

like trading doesn't exist in

1:24:10

the actual current physical TCG

1:24:13

and I think the reason it doesn't exist

1:24:15

is because there's so much money behind it.

1:24:17

Like it's hard for me to walk into a car

1:24:20

shop and be like oh man I'm missing I'm

1:24:23

missing the Umbreon from Evolving

1:24:25

Skies like that's the one

1:24:27

car spoiler that Umbreon from

1:24:29

Evolving Skies is $600. That's

1:24:32

that's the going price for that Umbreon. So

1:24:34

to be like I have the complete

1:24:36

collection of Evolving Skies but I'm missing

1:24:38

the Umbreon and you walk into a

1:24:41

car shop and be like what

1:24:43

can I like I have to trade you what like 30

1:24:46

cards just for this Umbreon to sit in

1:24:48

a binder it sucks. Like I

1:24:50

get that like people enjoy the money

1:24:52

aspect of that and that's cool and

1:24:54

that's fine but if you're just like

1:24:57

trying to complete Evolving Skies like

1:24:59

to complete Evolving Skies is like two months

1:25:01

worth of rent to get all those cards.

1:25:04

It's just so expensive to do that so to

1:25:06

be like in pocket it

1:25:08

kind of dissolves that

1:25:11

pricing structure. I sure hope

1:25:13

it does I don't want any of that to

1:25:15

carry over although I will note it does say

1:25:18

as expected that it's a free to start

1:25:20

game so there is going to be money

1:25:23

involved so let's just hope the

1:25:25

pricing structures don't carry over from IRL

1:25:28

TCG. Oh I'm sure there'll be

1:25:31

somebody on eBay being like I got I

1:25:33

got a number of Umbreon from Evolving Skies

1:25:35

if you PayPal me $20 and trade me

1:25:38

a Pidgey I will send you over this

1:25:40

card. Undoubtedly but

1:25:43

hopefully not too much. Yeah but

1:25:45

anyways it seems like a fun collecting thing I like to collect.

1:25:48

Don't know when they did say that's coming

1:25:50

out this year. Have no clue when

1:25:52

they didn't say summer they didn't say fall

1:25:55

so who knows hey remember when TCG

1:25:57

live got announced and they were like October and

1:25:59

then Suddenly it was like, nevermind.

1:26:04

Ah, next year. Oh,

1:26:08

did they say anything else specifically about Pocket?

1:26:11

I don't think they did. Good

1:26:14

trailer though. That trailer, the trailer for

1:26:16

Pocket was longer than everything before it

1:26:18

came. That's because it's a

1:26:21

new game. They gave time to the new game.

1:26:23

To both of the new games. They

1:26:26

said players will have the thrill of opening

1:26:28

booster packs, collecting cards, visual effects, immersive

1:26:31

cards. Players will get two booster

1:26:33

packs a day, no cost. In

1:26:36

addition players can engage in quick battles with

1:26:39

streamlined rules on the classic

1:26:41

system in development with

1:26:43

DNA and will launch

1:26:45

free on iOS and Android. So yeah, we

1:26:47

kind of covered everything. Good trailer though, good

1:26:49

trailer. It looks like you can trade. It

1:26:51

doesn't look like it's Pokemon Go where you

1:26:53

have to be local to trade. Somebody

1:26:55

was trading on a bus. Trailer

1:26:58

is accurate. You too, listener,

1:27:00

can also trade on a bus. Maybe

1:27:03

you're on a bus right now listening to this

1:27:05

podcast. Overall, I think

1:27:07

this was a good presence. It

1:27:10

was just too fast. That's the only thing. You

1:27:15

have to watch it three times to really get everything. Yeah,

1:27:17

I think everything that they announced was great.

1:27:20

Like I think there's like the reasons

1:27:22

to be excited, which is the whole point

1:27:25

of a presence, right? Like

1:27:27

let's get you excited. The

1:27:30

thing that bothered me about how fast

1:27:32

it was is it felt like they

1:27:35

were just like, let's just get

1:27:37

in fast before anybody yells at

1:27:39

us. It felt like a weird

1:27:41

defensive move instead of like, let's

1:27:43

celebrate Pokemon because it just

1:27:45

went so... They didn't even linger on codes. They

1:27:47

didn't linger on things. They just, let's get in,

1:27:50

let's get out. We

1:27:53

don't want to take any more heat. Which

1:27:56

is sort of like when I was watching it

1:27:58

live, I just kept thinking why? Why are

1:28:00

you going? You have all

1:28:03

the time in the world and a captive

1:28:05

audience. Why are you going so fast? It's

1:28:09

crazy because the

1:28:12

points were so quick. And then in the

1:28:14

past, because I literally watched every Pokémon Day

1:28:16

video to make this huge YouTube video that

1:28:18

I put out, which thank you to

1:28:20

anyone who watched it, is they would

1:28:23

spend three times as

1:28:25

long on an original Stitch shirt

1:28:27

launch. You're like, here

1:28:29

are some new shirts, a

1:28:31

bunch of new designs, you can

1:28:34

get them tailored. Now

1:28:36

kids can do it. Here's like a video

1:28:38

of a business guy getting on a bus

1:28:40

and he has like a little Charizard and

1:28:42

then somebody acknowledged it and then they like

1:28:45

looked each other in the eyes. It was

1:28:47

like they told a whole story about shirts

1:28:49

and we can't even get 30 extra seconds

1:28:51

of Pokémon Sleep, which I

1:28:53

had a new event that they just

1:28:56

announced on Twitter instead. Like

1:28:59

it felt so aggressive

1:29:01

of like, we got to get

1:29:03

through all this stuff, otherwise people are going to be mad or like people

1:29:06

are going to be bored and it's like, don't

1:29:08

worry about those people. Yeah,

1:29:10

I think everybody, I mean, I

1:29:13

haven't seen anybody unhappy with anything.

1:29:17

I'm sure those people

1:29:19

exist, but generally

1:29:21

well, like the 800 people watching me, I saw one

1:29:26

guy go, this sucks. It

1:29:33

seems like a well received presence. I

1:29:35

think a lot

1:29:37

of people, they

1:29:40

were real, like they, for

1:29:42

all the games that are working well, they added

1:29:44

things to make it slightly better. They

1:29:47

announced a nebulous thing. There's not a lot

1:29:49

that was really offensive in that. It

1:29:52

was just sort of like we're adding all the things,

1:29:54

we're going to go through it quickly. You

1:29:58

know what was also weird? Is go

1:30:01

had a brand new season and

1:30:03

they don't yeah, I thought that that was gonna be

1:30:05

detailed in the presents I was telling people the day

1:30:07

before that I thought that maybe we were gonna get

1:30:10

all of the new season announcements in

1:30:12

the presents and nope Which

1:30:14

was like like why talk

1:30:16

about your new season and go

1:30:18

like what? Yeah,

1:30:20

I don't like even go ahead.

1:30:23

It's all about everything you've got going

1:30:25

on I just expected that trailer to

1:30:27

be in the presents the trailer itself

1:30:29

the go trailer was what like 28

1:30:31

seconds long and like It

1:30:33

just seemed like they could have rolled that into

1:30:36

the The present to

1:30:38

be fair Pokemon go isn't

1:30:40

making very good trailers these days their

1:30:42

quality has gone down I think the

1:30:44

trailer they played was very like safe. It was

1:30:47

like the trailer they yes Yes,

1:30:49

but if they had to make one for the season Oh,

1:30:52

don't be I'm not sure I already have that

1:30:54

we're already having the ultra become all should be

1:30:56

conversation again of whether like So gaily or lunala

1:30:59

or like ultra beasts and like They're

1:31:01

not I've

1:31:04

already seen that going around and then who knows

1:31:06

like I don't I'm like Arnie,

1:31:08

I think gonna put so gaily on lunala

1:31:11

in the ultra wormhole

1:31:13

things instead of the eggs cuz

1:31:15

they Like

1:31:17

I they do come out of the ultra

1:31:20

wormhole. No one is debating that but

1:31:22

they are not ultra Don't

1:31:28

have this conversation again. Yeah,

1:31:30

the other thing they did mention at all was

1:31:33

Hawaii, but I I Think

1:31:35

that was intentional. I think

1:31:38

like Some people

1:31:41

don't care about Hawaii or some people are

1:31:43

like over Hawaii or some people just live

1:31:45

under a rock and have no Clue what's

1:31:47

happening in Hawaii or happened in Hawaii? I

1:31:50

should say I don't think anything's on fire

1:31:52

anymore But like that doesn't mean

1:31:54

like damage isn't done That doesn't mean there's not

1:31:56

ill will towards like that like whether this was

1:31:58

Pokemon or Final Fantasy or do Diablo or Blizzard

1:32:00

or whatever. There is always

1:32:04

frustration, tourism, destroying Hawaii.

1:32:07

But then there's also the Hawaii government being like, this

1:32:09

pays their bills. I just

1:32:11

think it was probably the safe play to be like, hey,

1:32:13

if we just don't talk about Hawaii, we don't have to

1:32:15

deal with any of this. I

1:32:17

think they also took a very long time to announce

1:32:20

the dates for last year's worlds, too. Yeah,

1:32:23

they didn't announce it. They just said it

1:32:25

was coming in Japan. Last

1:32:27

year's presents. They didn't have the dates.

1:32:30

Yeah. Although it's August,

1:32:33

we just don't know which weekend

1:32:35

in August, which is...

1:32:39

Not super helpful. I mean, Go does the same thing. Just

1:32:43

announce all your events for the year. People

1:32:47

have to take time off. People have to see

1:32:49

if they can budget a flight. At

1:32:52

least Pokemon Go announces the community days ahead of

1:32:54

time at this point. We know

1:32:56

which weekends they're going to be most of

1:32:58

the time. Well, also we just

1:33:00

recently saw the asset file for Pokemon

1:33:04

Go Fest. So soon,

1:33:07

maybe? Who knows?

1:33:11

Maybe. Well, there's going to be another Pokemon Go Fest

1:33:13

this year? Crazy! Who would have guessed?

1:33:18

No one saw that one coming. Yeah,

1:33:20

overall, I'm pretty

1:33:23

happy with this presents. I

1:33:26

wasn't worried about not having a game this year. Like I

1:33:28

said, I think Scarlet and Violet has more than enough to

1:33:30

keep going, which

1:33:32

is fine. If Ilka

1:33:34

is working on something that could

1:33:37

be announced later. That could

1:33:39

be... If they're

1:33:41

working on anything, maybe it's a better version of Pokemon

1:33:43

Home, please? Pokemon

1:33:49

Home is what, like five years

1:33:51

old? I think? And

1:33:54

has it had a substantial update? It's

1:33:57

had small updates to add new Pokemon or

1:33:59

to fix things. like that

1:34:02

feels archaic at

1:34:05

this point I don't know

1:34:07

yeah good book Monday I wish I

1:34:10

wish they I just

1:34:12

wish they communicated more in the in

1:34:15

the presents instead of like relying

1:34:17

well first off Pokemon calm barely gets updated

1:34:19

I mean it does but like even on

1:34:21

Pokemon calm you're like missing details of like

1:34:24

Pokemon Twitter is like all over the place of

1:34:26

like the sleep stuff was on the sleep

1:34:28

Twitter and the competitive stuff

1:34:30

was or the raid stuff was on

1:34:33

play Pokemon Twitter you

1:34:35

would think that the presents would have

1:34:37

everything for the day and that

1:34:40

was a weird choice but whatever

1:34:44

somebody made that choice listening

1:34:46

on Apple podcast or

1:34:49

Spotify here's your reminder to leave

1:34:51

us a review that super super helps out I haven't said

1:34:53

that in a while but Spotify does reviews

1:34:55

Apple podcast those reviews I don't know what

1:34:57

Google pod is Google podcast dead I don't

1:35:00

know I think they I think it's alive

1:35:02

for idea Google's just actively

1:35:04

trying to kill itself so yeah

1:35:06

whatever Google Android app you're

1:35:08

listening on thanks I'm not

1:35:11

sure which one you're listening on

1:35:13

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1:35:15

real one yeah if you still

1:35:17

got that soon thank you Hannah thank

1:35:19

you Greg we will be back next week

1:35:23

and I believe horizons

1:35:26

should be out yeah

1:35:29

that next time we record this

1:35:32

show finally

1:35:34

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gets is it Plaza is

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it that yeah it's a PLZ

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is it was a is it just

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Pokemon Z no

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