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specializes in cosmetic reconstructive

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I have to say I couldn't wait for

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1:29

very excited just as I just said

1:31

about this entire

1:33

topic. You have so much

1:35

to offer are for listeners today.

1:37

I'm really very happy that you're here welcome.

1:39

Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to

1:41

educate everyone on what

1:43

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1:43

working, what isn't work working, what has

1:45

come and gone, what has stand at the test of Ive.

1:48

Oh, I

1:48

love that. I've I've already just thrilled

1:50

to hear everything you have to say.

1:52

So let's get started at the

1:54

beginning. You emigrated here

1:56

from Iran. Is that right? And can you

1:58

tell us that story. Yeah. Sure. So

2:01

Ive was the second child. My sister's six years

2:03

older than me and my family decided, you know,

2:05

we want an anchor baby. My mom came to

2:07

New York when she was nine months pregnant,

2:10

had got her US citizen. We

2:12

went back to Iran. That was nineteen seventy Ive,

2:14

and the revolution was in full swing.

2:17

And were Jewish. So while

2:19

there was a lot of, you

2:22

know, outward and inward

2:25

racism basically against Jews and Iran,

2:28

they wouldn't let you leave. So they're Ive, we

2:30

don't like you, but you and you Ive and you can't go anywhere.

2:32

So the Ronnie Rock War

2:35

happened. There was bombs flying all over.

2:37

We would run to the windows. And, literally,

2:39

my parents were like, it's fireworks. Let's watch the

2:41

fireworks. AND

2:43

THEY JUST SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO WOMEN IN IRAN

2:45

AS EVERYONE. THE WORLD IS SEEING RIGHT NOW

2:48

AND THEY'RE LIKE THIS IS NO PLACE FOR OUR TWO DAUGHTER

2:50

TO GROW UP. My father was

2:52

the chief medical officer of the Shaw's Heart

2:54

Hospital, and he had

2:56

actually saved the eyesight of one of his

2:58

lab techs. And so the lab tech

3:00

was part of the revolution. He said, you know what? You saved

3:02

my eyesight. I'm gonna save your life. You're on

3:05

the list. You need to leave. So my father

3:07

left almost immediately, went to Vienna,

3:10

stayed with one of his professor friends that he

3:12

knew, left my mom, my

3:14

sister, and my passport with the government,

3:16

saying he's just going to medical conference, he'll be

3:18

right back. And he

3:20

waited there, worked on getting us visas while

3:23

we worked with smugglers to

3:25

make it on the back of a pickup truck

3:28

through the desert into Pakistan.

3:30

Wow. Oh, wow. Yeah.

3:32

How old were you? I was six and a half. By

3:34

the time we made it to the states, I was seven.

3:37

My sister was thirteen. Congratulations.

3:40

Yeah. Ive, you know, we're so grateful to be

3:42

here to say the

3:43

least. Yeah. So they you're here too

3:45

as well. Safe and sound. Mhmm. That

3:48

is, oh, so scary. I

3:50

must

3:50

say. Yeah. I know. It's scary. I'm just so

3:52

grateful and being the age that my parents

3:54

parents were when they did this, leaving

3:56

everything behind all of, you know,

3:59

the hard work, the everything.

4:02

The house moving to a country

4:04

with, you know, very little understanding of

4:07

the language just to give their daughters a chance.

4:09

Gotcha. just can you

4:10

imagine? No. Ive cannot imagine. You

4:13

and your family are so strong.

4:15

That story must impact the way you Ive. Every

4:18

single

4:18

day. You know, I think that it makes

4:21

me wanna burn candle at both ends and

4:23

you really understand the opportunities that

4:25

you've been given in this country that you can succeed

4:27

regardless of religion,

4:30

gender. You know, I've never

4:32

really felt like anything held me back.

4:34

If anything, I think people

4:36

told me, oh, your skin color will hold you back or

4:38

your religion will hold you back or your gender will hold you

4:40

back. I found it as a differentiator -- Uh-huh.

4:42

-- that I used to I'm a woman. I understand

4:45

you. Come to me or I have, you know,

4:47

like pigmented skin. I understand pigmented

4:50

skin, which helps a lot with lasers.

4:52

That's why I have thirty lasers. Really?

4:55

So I have something for everyone, and

4:58

I usually just either test it out on myself or

5:00

one of my staff members and we decide

5:02

if we like that laser. We wanna keep it or if we

5:04

wanna send it

5:05

back. Wow. Can

5:06

we just go back to your story?

5:08

You just told. I'm overwhelmed by it

5:10

actually. There's so much problems.

5:13

I'm so impressed with the surface. I'm so

5:15

impressed with your father and your mother

5:17

and your sister and you and the strength and

5:21

just everything that you had to go through, and then

5:23

you you're sitting here with us today,

5:26

and you've accomplished so

5:27

much. I just have to say, congratulations

5:30

Facials I'm Ive humbled. I'm in

5:32

awe of everything that that

5:34

you've already told us and and

5:36

I I can't wait to hear it, but I I'm very impressed.

5:39

Thank you so much. I just think, you know,

5:41

as we were discussing a little bit before we started,

5:44

every woman is so much more

5:46

than just a plastic surgeon

5:48

or just a mom. We all are

5:51

multi multifaceted, multiple

5:54

interest, human beings. And

5:56

so I think everything that I've accomplished, whether

5:58

it's Ive our skincare e commerce

6:01

site, my skincare line, the show,

6:03

my nonprofit, this BAW, Plastic

6:05

Surgery, it's because all

6:07

of or being a mom event, you know,

6:09

being a wife. All of those things fulfill us

6:12

in different ways. And everybody's

6:14

like, you know, what's your favorite part? And I'm like, I don't

6:16

think each part would be enough for

6:18

me. I would be burned out if I was just in the operating

6:20

room all the time. I would probably be

6:22

a little burnt out if I was just home with the kids

6:25

all the Ive. Me, personally. Mhmm. think that's

6:27

the toughest job to be honest with you. But

6:29

you know, I think all of these things make me a happy

6:31

person and a better giver

6:35

of whatever it is I I can give

6:37

more to my kids. I can give more to my patients

6:39

because I'm happy.

6:40

Mhmm. At what age were

6:42

you when you knew

6:45

that this is what you would be doing

6:47

today. Howard Bauchner: Yeah, so I

6:49

actually did WoodShop in the fourth grade

6:52

And I was I think I was the only girl in the class. I almost

6:54

dropped out because I was like, oh my god. What am I gonna do

6:57

with all these boys? I really liked

6:59

drawing a blueprint of what I was gonna

7:02

build. I liked how accurate the drawings

7:04

had to be, and I really liked

7:06

building it. And so originally, I thought,

7:08

okay, maybe I'm gonna be an architect. Then

7:11

my mom my mother got ill with breast

7:13

cancer, and she actually passed away on I

7:15

was thirteen.

7:16

Oh, I'm sorry. And so Ive

7:18

really like my father was a physician obviously

7:20

and I said, you know what? Maybe I'll be an orthopedic

7:22

surgeon because that's being physician. It's helping people,

7:24

but I still get hammers and and I get to build

7:27

things. So started following an orthopedic

7:29

surgeon around in college, in New

7:31

York. And I spent seven months with

7:33

him and I was like, you know what, it's very cookie cutter.

7:35

I need something a little bit more creative. When

7:38

I was younger, I used to build stuff with paper,

7:41

bags and tape, and my mom would call me,

7:44

which means the expert in useless things. Since

7:46

I was always very crafty, and she's Ive, go throw

7:48

ball around when you're doing. And

7:51

so when orthopedics wasn't really looking

7:53

Ive it was for me, one of my friends said, why don't you look

7:55

into plastic surgery? It's creative. You get to build.

7:57

You get to design. And so

7:59

they introduced me to my mentor and

8:02

I never looked back. It was the perfect fit for me

8:04

and I even say if I was not accepted as

8:06

a plastic surgeon, I probably would

8:08

go into, like, the business of medicine or I

8:10

would go into something else.

8:12

Mhmm. Because I really just in

8:14

in the realm of medicine, I only wanted

8:16

to become a plastic surgeon. Ive

8:19

more question about

8:22

your journey here to the United

8:24

States at the age of six. And how

8:26

that happened. Do

8:30

you think that because at six years

8:32

old, I believe we can all remember that age

8:34

of our Ive. Did you

8:36

have a knowing then that

8:39

whatever you

8:39

did, you would excel at it? Because not

8:41

at all. Oh, really? Okay. God. So

8:43

I'm gonna ask that. You know, I I

8:45

went through that whole impostor syndrome.

8:48

I think when I was in the fourth grade, I got accepted

8:51

to gain, you know, gifted and talented education. And

8:53

was like, they're gonna figure me They're gonna say it

8:55

was a mistake, and they're gonna send me back.

8:58

Or I got accepted Harvard Westlake, and I

9:00

was like, oh my god. This can't be real.

9:02

Mhmm. I was I was always that person

9:05

that would only remember the questions that I

9:07

didn't know. And and I would think I failed every

9:09

test, but then you get an you know? Yes.

9:11

So that was my personality. My mom

9:13

was always the person that was Ive, you're so

9:15

smart. You're so beautiful. Meanwhile, I was

9:18

so skinny. I had a mustache. My parents

9:20

wouldn't let me shave my legs because that meant you were

9:22

being promiscuous or something. I

9:25

was totally a nerd, I

9:27

think, all the way up into college.

9:29

College is when I well, which I

9:31

actually really appreciate and wish for the same

9:34

things for my teenagers. Mhmm. Because

9:36

I think you can watch I would say you're watching

9:38

the circus from the nosebleed section. I want

9:40

them to have their friends doing all of that stuff.

9:43

They can learn from their friend's mistakes. And then

9:45

when they have the aptitude

9:47

and the maturity to actually process

9:50

and know who they

9:50

are, then they can venture into the circus.

9:53

Oh, wait. Totally that. I had three older sisters

9:55

and I believe that made such a

9:57

difference on who I am today. Mhmm.

9:59

I got to watch them make their mistakes and

10:02

experiment. Right. They even

10:04

experimented some on me. And so but,

10:06

yes, I I do believe that makes a big

10:08

difference. Okay. So you

10:11

specialize in both cosmetic surgery

10:13

and non surgical

10:14

treatments. Yes. With both of these,

10:16

what is your general philosophy? My

10:19

general philosophy and my entire

10:22

niche and why people come to me

10:24

from all over the world is natural results.

10:26

I don't think anyone should look

10:29

at anyone and say, oh, that person has

10:31

their lips filled or that person has

10:33

had work done. Which is a double edged

10:35

sword. Right, Robin? Because people walking down the street

10:37

only notice someone who looks like an alien they're like

10:39

plastic surgery so bad. But if they see

10:41

good work walking past them, they're like, wow, she's so

10:43

beautiful. And then plastic surgery doesn't

10:45

get the credit. So our

10:48

whole philosophy, whether it's

10:50

invasive, non invasive, skin

10:52

Ive like everything. No one should know

10:54

you had anything done. I want you to

10:56

be able to tell your friends and Facials, you

10:58

came out to California, went to

11:01

Joshua Tree, did a juice cleanse, and that's all you

11:03

want. Ive love

11:05

that. And also, like, I think I think

11:07

the other philosophy, it's it's a combination. We

11:09

don't age in one dimension. Mhmm. So

11:11

for example, when I first started doing facelifts,

11:14

I noticed that Ive

11:17

thought I did a great job. And I'd be like, finally,

11:19

I'm with my husband. I was like, look, look, look, look, we're an amazing

11:21

she looks amazing. Right? He's like, but she still has

11:23

wrinkles and spots on her face. And I was like,

11:27

So the Ive came into my head of making

11:29

a bed. Imagine you go to a hotel and the

11:31

sheets are tucked in, but they're stained and

11:33

wrinkled. Yes. Right? Yeah. So nobody

11:36

wants to sleep in that bed. Yeah. So I just

11:38

that's how I got into skincare, and that's how I got

11:40

into lasers because I said, you know what? Everything

11:42

has to make sense. You can't have a

11:44

young neck and old eyes. Yes. You

11:46

can't have young eyes and old

11:49

skin. So on and so forth.

11:51

Or fat transfer into the face.

11:53

You know, we deflate our skeleton strength.

11:55

We lose muscle and and fat in the face.

11:58

So you can't just do a facelift and not

12:00

optimize the volume. So all

12:02

of the so that's kind of our philosophy is looking

12:05

at everything as an entire unit, rejuvenating

12:07

it as an entire unit, I just did virtual

12:10

consults today before I came here. Mhmm. You

12:12

know, patients from Florida.

12:15

She wanted and also I'm known as the Small Breast

12:17

Queen. I love Small Breast, so people come to me for

12:19

small breast implants or fat transfer into the breast.

12:21

So but I you know, she wanted implants

12:24

and I said, okay, great. But we have to fix

12:26

your skin on your chest. So much sun damage.

12:29

So it's Ive think having the

12:31

best of both worlds, people know that you're

12:33

not just you know, a hammer and everyone's

12:36

nail. Mhmm. So if patients

12:38

come to me for surgery, sometimes then I'm like, you don't

12:40

need surgery, all you need is this. And they're like,

12:42

oh, thank you so much. Or they'll come in for

12:45

something non surgical. And I'm like, babe, you've had

12:47

ten kids. You need surgery. Yes. Yes.

12:49

Yes. So it's but usually, I'll tell you it's a

12:51

combination of both modalities.

12:53

Uh-huh. I love it. I I have to tell you

12:55

personally, I believe in lasers

12:58

so much. And I've lived here

13:00

now twenty one years and I really started

13:02

using laser therapy back

13:04

in Dallas. Mhmm. And that was

13:07

back when they were just beginning

13:09

to create laser therapy

13:12

machines, I guess, is -- Yes. -- I've always referred

13:14

to them as that. Mhmm. And I

13:16

went to a dermatologist because I've always had

13:18

a problem scan. Mhmm. And I

13:20

had a wonderful dermatologist there

13:22

and his aesthetician was just a

13:25

doll and very smart. And now

13:27

you remember them calling me and saying, we're

13:29

thinking of buying a laser machine so

13:31

they've brought one to our office and we get to

13:33

keep it for two days. We'd love you to come in and

13:36

have a treatment. And it didn't go well because

13:38

they got confused on the level -- Oh,

13:40

god. -- of street they should

13:42

use. And I they really burned me

13:44

-- Mhmm. -- or she did. Mhmm. And

13:47

thank heavens, she started on my chest and

13:49

my neck. And before she got to my face,

13:51

I said something's not right. And

13:53

this, I'm on fire. Ive like, on

13:55

fire right now. So -- Mhmm. -- I won't go into

13:58

the whole story, but it turned

14:00

out to be okay because I

14:03

peeled and Yes. -- the skin looked

14:05

better, but I had to have treatment on

14:07

it and everything then.

14:08

Ive though I started out with that problem,

14:11

I have always believed in lasers. Yeah.

14:14

I think they're and it's gonna like

14:16

it's come such a long way and people don't

14:19

know everything that's possible because I feel like a

14:21

lot of places you go, they have one laser.

14:23

Yeah. Or for example,

14:26

in places where people tend to be more light

14:28

skinned, they have a laser that should only be used

14:30

on light skinned people. So when a person

14:32

of pigment goes in, they use that laser and burn them

14:34

or cause hyper pigmentation or

14:37

melasma to flare or So

14:39

I think it's not a one size fits

14:41

all. Yes. Yes. I I was so

14:43

impressed when you said you Ive, what, thirty?

14:45

Mhmm. want that. So

14:48

and what? What is the basic

14:50

concept of non invasive laser

14:52

Facials? And so how does that

14:54

work? Well, I think the

14:56

basic concept is we're trying to rejuvenate and

14:59

we're trying to shove a bunch of collagen into

15:01

the skin always. We start actually losing our

15:03

collagen at twenty Ive. You know how we lose our eggs

15:05

at thirty. It starts going downhill. The collagen

15:07

starts going at twenty five. So

15:10

using proper skin care products with peptides,

15:12

and growth factors to turn on the circuit breakers

15:15

for college and elastin formation as

15:17

early as your twenties is really a gift.

15:19

And it's hilarious women, my age, the ones

15:21

that they're and looks, you know, really good.

15:23

Their mom was an aesthetician at work for a plastic surgeon

15:25

and told them to start in their twenties. So really you

15:27

do want to start in your twenties to maintain. But

15:30

again, it's just to get rid of fine lines and wrinkles.

15:33

Now there's actual tightening modalities that

15:35

work, which was Ive the holy grail.

15:38

And get rid of sunspots, you know,

15:40

rosacea can be redness

15:42

can be treated

15:44

very effectively now with vascular

15:46

lasers that attack the pigment of

15:49

blood. Mhmm. So there's something

15:51

for everyone at this point. It's

15:53

just finding the right one for you and

15:55

maybe going to or that doesn't just

15:57

have one -- Uh-huh. -- and can tell you,

15:59

okay, these both of these lasers can help

16:01

you. This one has no downtime. So

16:03

for actresses or people that are doing public

16:05

speaking, no downtime. You'll need to

16:07

do four to six sessions of this one. Or

16:10

if you have two weeks of

16:11

downtime, I can use this one. And it's

16:13

kind of like one every two to five years.

16:15

Yeah. Ive love that. So let me

16:17

ask you this because and tell me if I'm

16:19

wrong. I believe,

16:22

I have always believed that it's

16:25

never too early to start taking care of

16:27

your skin. Taking care of your health, taking care of

16:29

your body, but especially we're talking about skin today. So let's

16:31

focus on that. I think it's never too early

16:34

to start taking care of your skin because

16:37

I grew up in Texas where

16:40

the sun is so hot and

16:42

so damaging. And

16:44

I had very fair skin. I

16:47

had red hair. Actually, I had red hair when

16:49

I was very, very, very young and

16:51

freckles. Mhmm. And so

16:54

Ive knew better than to get out in the sun

16:56

because one time I did fifteen my grandmother

16:58

and got so sunburned, I

17:00

just cried like a baby said a

17:02

prayer to God that if you will take this

17:05

pain away, I promise I will never get

17:07

back in the setting And I never did.

17:09

So I was the youngest of four sisters

17:12

And my

17:14

older sister had very fair skin.

17:16

Two of my sisters really enjoyed being in

17:18

the sun. They did protect their skin. Mhmm.

17:20

However, I really never

17:23

got back in the sun because it

17:25

was just so damaging and so

17:27

painful. And so I

17:29

still think about that time. I still

17:32

remember thinking, oh, wow.

17:34

I'm so glad I never got back in the sun and

17:36

burned myself like that. And then I get

17:38

to be nineteen years old,

17:40

I meet my husband, Philip. Mhmm. His sisters.

17:43

He had three sisters and his mother

17:45

would just bake in the sun. Mhmm. They would just

17:47

got in the backyard get on a blanket.

17:50

No pool. No host.

17:52

Nothing. They would just lay out there and

17:54

just bake themselves in the sun because they really

17:56

wanted tan. Mhmm. And

17:59

they regret it. They years

18:01

later, they said, oh, I wish we hadn't done this

18:03

because I saw the damage it did to them. Mhmm.

18:05

So what I'm trying to get at is, I

18:07

think you can even be in your teens and

18:10

start taking care of not only your skin

18:12

with skin care products, but also

18:14

start taking care of your hormones

18:17

because I think that also plays a big

18:19

part in it. So then if

18:21

you start in your late teens,

18:23

I am so glad to hear you say twenties

18:26

is when you really should start focusing

18:28

on skin And

18:30

so I'm so happy to hear you say

18:32

that

18:33

Yeah. You know, it's actually interesting you just

18:35

gave me like a flashback to our test

18:37

questions for the boards. One

18:39

of the test questions is what is what

18:41

gives you the highest chance or what has the highest

18:43

affiliation with skin cancer as an adult,

18:46

and the answer is a sunburn as

18:48

a child. So yes,

18:51

you don't wanna be burning yourself, you

18:53

don't wanna be putting that oil on yourself

18:55

and going in the backyard and tanning,

18:57

which a lot of my patients They're

18:58

Ive, that's what I did. That's what people did.

19:01

But so I'm glad you're saying that because if you

19:03

did do that and now you're in your

19:05

thirties, forties, fifty, sixties. Right.

19:08

Or tanning beds. You tanning beds

19:10

are the worst. So another statistic

19:12

that might be interesting is one tanning

19:15

bed session increases your risk of skin cancer

19:17

by fifty percent So

19:19

you do not want to do tanning beds. I

19:21

always say get a spray tan. Like, worse comes

19:23

to worse.

19:24

Yes. Yes. Get a spray tan.

19:26

There's organic ones. Or,

19:28

you know, self tanner is another great option,

19:31

but please please avoid burning yourself

19:33

and also tanning butts. And that's interesting, Ed.

19:35

Those sessions you did in your twenties

19:37

can come back to haunt you in your

19:39

fifties, sixty, seventy. So continue to

19:42

go and get your skin checked. Yes. Well,

19:44

what are your favorite treatments for sun

19:46

damage and age

19:47

spots? Depends on the skin color

19:50

and the skin quality. So

19:52

for a person of pigment

19:54

Ive me or darker, I

19:57

would say PicoSure is an

19:59

amazing one. It's no downtime What

20:02

it does is it's the same wavelength as what

20:04

I call, like, Caucasian lasers. But

20:07

it it gives it in a PECO second.

20:09

So instead of it going through your skin slowly and

20:11

causing a burn and appeal -- Uh-huh. -- if you

20:13

burn my skin, if what you'd

20:15

happen to you on your chest happen to me, it

20:17

would be brown for five years. Like, it would

20:19

take forever to heal. So I always say

20:22

lighter skin types, you can burn them. They

20:24

turn pink, and then it goes away and they look great. No.

20:26

Thank you. Yeah. But my skin type,

20:28

you can't. So the way the picosecond lasers

20:31

work is that they punch

20:33

the skin, explode the pigment we

20:36

have macrophages which are our natural

20:38

jandered ourselves in our bodies. So I don't remember, like

20:40

you remember from high school biology, there was that cell in

20:42

KAYM-eight, the other cell. That's a

20:44

macrophage. So they're constantly scavenging

20:47

the body for damaged heart cells, damaged

20:49

liver cells, and you pass them, you

20:51

know, naturally. So

20:53

we're just taking advantage of that mechanism, exploding

20:56

those pigmented those cells and

20:58

letting the macrophages over three weeks.

21:00

Clean them out. Mhmm. So and I love

21:02

that laser because it's no downtime and

21:06

there's no sun sensitivity. So you know

21:08

when you're burned from a laser, they see get in the sun,

21:10

don't get in the sun. This,

21:12

you can do it all year round. So some of

21:14

our patients and it builds collagen too. So some of

21:16

our patients just do it with their Once

21:18

a month, they come in, every two months, they come in every

21:20

three months, Facials, pecosure.

21:23

Wow. And so that that's a great

21:25

laser. Another one

21:28

that is fantastic and is

21:30

a workhorse in my office is made by Citon.

21:32

It's called the Citon Jewel. They're

21:34

the ones that have BBL on there, which is

21:36

amazing for lighter skin types, hits reds

21:38

and browns at the same time, has a blue

21:41

light even for acneic patients to kill the

21:43

back criteria that causes acne. It can

21:45

hit superficial pigment and deep pigment

21:47

that you haven't even didn't even know was there

21:49

yet. So that's a great one

21:51

for lighter skin types. And it also has

21:53

halo on there, which is very much

21:55

like raxle, but doesn't is not as painful

21:58

and doesn't go all the way down to the fat. It just

22:00

stays in the dermis, which is where you wanna

22:02

be. Profractional is

22:04

amazing for burns, for scars,

22:07

acne scarring, or scarring in general.

22:10

And the Iridium laser. So that's another

22:12

one, Robin, that think is really important. So

22:14

everyone's heard of the CO2 lasers. Iridium

22:17

is the newer generation of the same

22:19

type of effect. So you're

22:21

doing full resurfacing, but the risk

22:23

of hypopicmentation of getting

22:25

those raccoon eyes or that white

22:27

pigment around your mouth is a lot less with hernia.

22:30

So a lot of older plastic surgeons

22:32

for example or older dermatologists have the CO2

22:34

technology, which is Ive. But

22:37

I think Iridium is a is a better, newer

22:39

-- Wow. -- reiteration of I not

22:42

heard of any of these. I'm just so excited.

22:44

Alright. Real. You can go for months

22:46

with all the lasers. But,

22:47

yeah, it is wonderful.

22:49

So after you do the ones that you just talked

22:51

about, because she said no downtime. Mhmm.

22:54

So the the other ones do. The

22:56

Pikka shirt doesn't -- Mhmm. --

22:58

but the other one does. I see. So if

23:00

you do a laser that you say has no

23:02

downtime, so a client comes into your

23:04

office, does the laser -- Mhmm. Does

23:07

the facial treats the skin, and

23:09

then they leave. Mhmm. Can they go

23:11

home and put on concealer

23:15

of

23:15

makeup. There's no damage to

23:17

the superficial layer of the skin, which is

23:19

why it works so well for every skin type.

23:22

You're about pink flushed looking like you

23:24

worked out for about ten to twenty minutes. Yeah.

23:26

And that's it. And I always

23:29

tell them the next day, those brown

23:31

spots might be one shade darker because we

23:33

just exploded them. Then it goes down back down

23:35

to looking like how it was and you're like, wait

23:37

a second. Why did I do this laser? Nothing worked? Uh-huh.

23:39

But it takes three weeks or you're not

23:42

macrophages to clear out that pigment. So I

23:44

always say put it in your phone. Uh-huh. Take a

23:46

picture and now take it again in twenty one days.

23:48

Look at the difference. And then we would retreat

23:51

at

23:51

thirty days. That's wonderful. Paste a plan

23:54

Ive if you have an especially band. Mhmm.

23:56

You really wanna lick your best and does

23:58

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24:00

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24:02

Ive, I need Botox and filler. You're like you're gonna

24:04

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24:05

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24:06

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24:07

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26:08

Javier, tell me about the phone call you just

26:10

got. I get this call

26:12

from this guy who's known as Wild

26:14

Bill. Ive wanna be really

26:16

clear that I don't feel like

26:18

a serial killer. You know,

26:21

and and and when I think of the word

26:23

serial killer or the of a person who's

26:25

a serial killer, I think of a guy like, Ted,

26:27

bundy or or a person who who

26:30

does things for compulsion or emotional

26:33

needs, emotional reasons. And myself,

26:35

I'm not a person who has any blood bluffs.

26:38

These terrible things I did. I did, you know. I'm

26:41

starting about fifteen years ago, and and

26:44

and I was just off heartless cold blooded

26:46

soul who hurt and killed people

26:48

for

26:49

money. You know, I don't have a compulsion

26:51

to kill people or a desire necessarily

26:53

to do that. Listen to the full

26:55

interview with Wild Bill, an American

26:58

serial killer in Paradise,

27:00

season three of Criminal Conduct, wherever

27:02

you get your podcast. So

27:04

we do two things with every

27:06

podcast. We started this right before

27:08

our very first episode. And

27:11

The first one we do is the drink

27:14

of the day. And when

27:16

we do our drink of the day, the

27:18

staff creates the drink of the

27:20

day and honor a view and

27:22

our topic. So this drink

27:24

is called the Skin Shot. In

27:27

honor of your skincare e

27:29

commerce shop, the Skin

27:31

Spot -- Oh. -- we're going to have

27:34

a high grading antioxidant packed

27:36

wellness shot to keep our skin

27:38

plumped and refreshed. Mhmm.

27:41

So for all you listeners, just know, I

27:43

just picked up a shot glass that is ice

27:45

cold. It has one

27:48

aloe vera leaf, which you can get

27:50

at whole foods. One

27:52

tablespoon of lemon juice, six

27:54

ounces of filtered water,

27:57

and you take the Aloe vera leaf

27:59

and scoop out the gel with

28:02

a spoon. Put this gel into

28:04

a blender and add the lemon juice,

28:06

blend it well and gradually add

28:09

water, strain and or

28:11

into this chilled shot glass and shoot

28:14

it. This recipe will make four

28:16

shots. So cheers. Cheers.

28:19

I'm gonna do that.

28:19

No. Ive

28:23

think for it to be a true Sheila

28:25

drinker needs to have some caffeine in

28:27

it. I do

28:27

too. I do too, but that was delicious.

28:29

It was actually really good. So

28:32

then lasers can also be used

28:34

to remove hair and tattoos. Correct?

28:37

Mhmm. Can you talk about these

28:39

fabulous treatments? Because I

28:41

loved that, that all women

28:43

have unwanted hair on their face and their body.

28:45

I know that because I do. And

28:48

I don't have tattoos that I want to remove.

28:50

But if a woman gets a tattoo

28:52

at a fun time or a fun time of

28:54

her life or a serious

28:55

time, whatever And then decide she wants

28:57

it removed, you can do that. Yes. So

29:00

I will tell you, in Persian, you are

29:02

preaching to the choir about hair. Yep.

29:04

Yep. I think the things that people don't know

29:06

about hair is you wanna get laser hair removal

29:09

when the hair is dark. Mhmm. So don't

29:11

wait until your hair turns white because you're

29:14

you you lose that option. So

29:16

the laser hair technologies attack

29:19

dark chromophores, dark pigment of the

29:21

hair. So that's why blonde people

29:23

can't do laser hair removal, redheads really

29:26

can't do it either. There's other methods, obviously,

29:28

like electrolysis. But,

29:30

yeah, laser removal. And and I hate that it's called

29:32

removal -- Mhmm. -- because it's really reduction.

29:35

Mhmm. We're Facials, and I think

29:37

people have to under down that the hair a little bit

29:39

will come back, so it is a maintenance thing.

29:41

It's not something that you do successions and you're done

29:43

for

29:44

life.

29:44

I see. It's definitely thinner. It's definitely

29:46

sparse. But think it should be

29:48

called laser hair reduction -- Mhmm. -- if we wanna

29:51

be really accurate about it. There's also

29:53

a newer technology that's microwave technology

29:55

for the armpits called miraDry. And

29:58

that one gets rid of eighty two percent of your

30:00

sweat glands and seventy percent of the hair

30:02

regardless of hair color. Because

30:04

it's not a laser attacking dark

30:06

pigment. It's actually microwave technology

30:09

that's been used in medicine for decades,

30:12

but this is just a cosmetic application

30:14

of it. So Ive actually I was the

30:16

first Ive was the first patient. That's what I do.

30:18

I, like, bring things in and I remember telling

30:21

my half. Guys, I love this

30:23

thing. It makes you not sweat,

30:25

so you don't need deodorant anymore. And

30:27

we're gonna get a bunch of taxi drivers in here, but

30:29

I'm getting it anyway. But it ended up Robin

30:31

being the most beautiful, talented people

30:33

coming in for the treatment because who doesn't want

30:36

to sweat? It's people that are standing up in front

30:38

of a crowd. Uh-huh. So corporate folk,

30:40

actors -- Yep. models walking down a

30:42

runway, they don't want sweat stains. So it's just

30:44

like sometimes the people were so attractive. I felt like

30:46

I was staring into a sun. So it was complete

30:49

opposite of the patient population. I thought it was

30:51

gonna bring in, but it's really been such. I mean,

30:53

some people hype hyper and they have fibrosis. This

30:55

is a godson. For them. Others

30:57

just don't wanna Ive, it's like laser hair removal.

30:59

They don't wanna shave or they don't wanna put on deodorant They

31:01

don't wanna have to think about that. So

31:04

that's a really interesting technology that gets

31:06

sort of sweat glands and hair regardless

31:08

of hair color. Wow. So that's that.

31:11

And then tattoos, I'm

31:13

very Jewish, so I don't have any,

31:15

but I end up being, like, the spokesperson for all

31:17

these tattoo removal machines, so I feel like I'm doing

31:20

God's work. Yeah.

31:22

I think the the picosecond tech technologies

31:24

do a great job of removing all

31:27

pigment because traditionally greens and oranges

31:29

were difficult. I will make two

31:31

public service announcements regarding tattoos

31:34

never get white tattoo ink

31:36

because it has the quorum of what's

31:39

like gunpowder in it and if you laser white

31:41

tattoo ink, it will turn black. So

31:43

if you are getting a tattoo, that

31:46

okay. You know, think about a lot, but

31:48

okay. But just don't get any white

31:51

pigment blended into it to create

31:53

shading or anything because really then you

31:55

cannot do anything to remove it. Number one,

31:58

slightly off topic, but you reminded me

32:01

I just want tell people belly

32:03

rings, belly button rings. When

32:06

you get pregnant, it will look like a bucket handle.

32:09

So I'm just throwing that out there. I think

32:11

they're super cute. I totally get it.

32:13

But whether you leave the belly button ring in

32:15

or not, When your belly expands,

32:18

that little hole expands and literally looks like

32:20

a bucket handle and it's not cute. So

32:22

if you can, so funny.

32:24

I'm very visual, so I could see that.

32:26

Oh, that's why I just had to

32:28

throw that announcement. I love

32:30

that you told that. Because I

32:32

have to say we've had so many people on

32:34

the show that regretted

32:37

getting tattoos once they got pregnant.

32:39

Or once they had a baby, they had

32:41

a tattoo that they took so many

32:44

photos of them holding their baby

32:46

or nursing their baby and then there was that big

32:48

tattoo and I'm just saying they regretted

32:50

it. They they said, oh, I really regret

32:53

I have this precious little baby in my arms that

32:55

they go,

32:56

snake tattoo or, you know, whatever.

32:58

I think it's just, like, little tiny ones. You know how

33:00

a lot of people are doing, like, the little -- Yeah. -- very

33:02

faint drawing or

33:05

very faint cursive writing -- Yeah.

33:07

-- those are really easy to remove because

33:09

they're not deep and it's not a ton of pigment.

33:11

Yeah. Sometimes those come out with one session.

33:14

Right? So the older the tattoo and the

33:17

less deep the ink and the less ink

33:19

used, it comes out much more quickly

33:21

than those very

33:24

colorful tattoos or fresh tattoos.

33:26

Yes. And going back to the

33:28

laser hair removal, Ive tell

33:30

a secret here. And we lived

33:32

in Texas for so long, and

33:35

I play tennis outside in that heat.

33:37

Ive sweat. Mhmm. Now, why

33:39

is that? What? Why is never sweat?

33:42

You

33:42

do, but just not, like, you know, crazy.

33:44

And people have to understand that your

33:46

entire skin organ sweats.

33:48

It's just a few areas that

33:50

we are bothered by

33:51

it. The arm hits, the groin, and the

33:53

feet.

33:54

Ive never sweat in my armpits. I've never

33:56

worn deodorant. Yeah. That's amazing.

33:58

You're blast. It's crazy. It's crazy. And I'm thinking,

34:00

is there something wrong with me? No. Nothing's wrong with

34:02

you. I mean, you know, this the glans

34:05

in your armpit are only two percent of your

34:07

body's sweat glands. So getting I get that question

34:09

all time with this procedure. Is it safe? Isn't it

34:11

good to yeah, you're still sweating from ninety

34:13

eight percent of your skin

34:14

Oregon. Ive totally had hot flashes when

34:16

I started the process of menopause. So

34:18

I I do know my body will sweating

34:20

-- Yes, sir. -- but my armpits never

34:22

done. Okay. That's such boring information.

34:25

I know. But so can you fill

34:27

in your belly button piercing hole

34:29

No. You actually have to remove it. So whenever

34:31

I do mommy makeover and I'm doing a Tommy

34:34

Tuck, I'll actually pull it down

34:36

and just ellipse that bucket

34:38

thingy out. Or if I'm not even just doing

34:41

a tummy tuck under local anesthesia, you can cut

34:43

it out, but then you'll have a, you

34:44

know, a little bit of a scar, a little line of where

34:46

it

34:46

used to be. Wow. So you

34:48

have to actually remove the pier seat.

34:51

We'll

34:51

remove the pier seat and then remove the bucket handle.

34:53

Bucket handle. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

34:55

Because I have I had pair years

34:57

when I of course, when our first son, Jay

34:59

was born. And he is,

35:01

like, forty two now. But

35:04

when he was ten months old, he grabbed on

35:06

my earrings, and I have never had it

35:08

fixed because they went into such detail about

35:10

fixing

35:10

it. They took

35:11

a bit of It's so busy, Robin. It's fifteen minutes

35:13

awake. You walk in. You walk don't worry about that. I'm

35:15

gonna have a face.

35:16

Yeah. It takes two seconds. Hearing or so.

35:18

Okay. And we can't just

35:21

get amazing skin without paying

35:23

attention to skin care

35:24

habits. Can you tell us about GRASS?

35:29

GRASS. GRASS. Talk about

35:31

secrets to share with everyone. So again,

35:33

in your twenties and above, you wanna

35:35

be minimally on grass.

35:37

So g is for growth factors. So these could

35:40

be human based growth doctors, animal

35:42

based, plant based. But basically, these

35:44

are the ones we talked about that turn on the circuit

35:46

breakers for you know, growing

35:49

elastin in your own collagen. Now,

35:51

I will tell you what I personally have found.

35:53

You know, sometimes when you're using a shampoo and then you switch

35:55

your shampoo at your look so much better. Yes. And then you

35:58

do that for a few months and then you go back and then

36:00

we did that yesterday. Yeah. So I feel like it's

36:02

the same thing with growth factors. So I will actually

36:04

go back and forth between two different products

36:06

of growth factors and I find like I get

36:09

constantly a different glow. When

36:11

my skin gets you to one. And then I can go back

36:13

to the old one. Uh-huh. And most products have

36:15

a two year shelf life once you open them, so

36:17

they're good. So you can, you know, go back and forth.

36:19

Yeah. But that's one secret, retinols.

36:23

So there's only two things in the whole entire

36:25

world that are biopsy proven to reverse

36:27

sun damage. Okay? Retinols

36:29

and antioxidants. So retinols are based

36:31

on vitamin a. There's

36:34

products like Bucacheal that can actually

36:36

minimize redness, but the secret to using

36:38

retinol, everybody's Ive, what which one

36:40

should I use? What strength should I

36:42

use? And always say the one you'll actually use.

36:44

Uh-huh. Because if you use retinin all every day and your

36:46

aversion to retinol. Your skin is

36:48

gonna turn red, irritated, you're gonna start to

36:50

peel. So I always say use it two or three nights

36:52

a week, start with lowest dose, two three nights

36:55

a week, but see if you're okay, start

36:57

do that for like a month, and then go to four nights a

36:59

week, stay there for a while. And I always say me personally

37:01

took me seven months be able to use retinol every night.

37:04

Really? Then when you're at it using it every night,

37:06

then you can go up a strength. You don't have

37:08

to. There's no like this isn't Ive weight

37:10

lifting that if you lift heavier. It's

37:12

better. As long as you're using it, you're you're

37:14

good. So that's retinol. We just

37:17

came out with retinol serum from my skin

37:19

care Ive, which is accretably moisturizing

37:21

and really well tolerated by everyone.

37:24

So that's our retinal serum. And how

37:26

do you apply it? Literally would

37:28

go for me. It depends on how many things you're

37:30

using. I have, like, twelve steps of measurement

37:32

at this point, but I always say, thinnest

37:35

to heaviest. So you're gonna wash your

37:37

face, start with the serums, go to

37:39

maybe the gel like ones, and then the

37:41

creams at the end. But but with your hands,

37:43

with with your hands. Yeah. When you wash your face,

37:46

your hands are clean enough. So you don't need to and

37:48

I just ask this because I had a friend who

37:50

was starting to use retinol. Mhmm.

37:52

And she did have a great reaction

37:54

to it, so she had to be very careful and

37:56

just do it once we -- Mhmm. -- and she

37:58

put it on with her hands and her hands got irritated

38:01

as

38:01

well. Yeah. And if she if she had

38:03

dry hands, it can it can really dry you out,

38:05

it really really can. So maybe she was using too

38:07

strong of a dose. Okay. Because sometimes people go to,

38:09

like, the Trentonnoens. And they should've just

38:11

started with, like, a point two five retinol.

38:13

Yeah. But they'll jump into, like, something

38:15

ten times stronger than that because they wanna see

38:18

major results, but you can't do Exactly. You can't

38:20

do that. You gotta work your way up. So

38:22

the artist for retinols, then

38:24

you have the a in our little grass word.

38:27

So a is antioxidants. Now it

38:29

could be vitamin c, it could be vitamin

38:31

b based products like it

38:33

could be Ive niacinamide. Those

38:36

are really brightening. They're also

38:38

anti aging. They're great for sunspots as

38:40

well. Vitamin c

38:42

just to let you guys know doesn't do well

38:44

with acneic patients. So if you

38:46

are prone to acne and use of vitamin c product,

38:49

you might break out even more. So that's

38:51

when you wanna go to the niacinamide, the vitamin

38:53

Bs, or resveratrol, things

38:56

like that. So just make sure

38:58

you know that. So

39:00

that's that. And then green tea polyphenols are

39:03

amazing too for patients that are acne prone

39:05

because it also takes down some redness. There's

39:08

many options, but you do wanna be

39:10

using an antioxidant, sis for sunscreen.

39:13

I always, you know, do recommend a

39:15

physical sunscreen screen instead of a chemical

39:18

sunscreen. Chemical sunscreens have now been

39:20

shown that if you put it near your hairline,

39:22

some of that hair can fall out. But

39:24

I love chemical sunscreens

39:27

because they're Ive they blend well. You know

39:29

what I mean? So always in your makeup products

39:31

when it's like a little bb cream and has some sun

39:33

they're gonna use a chemical sunscreen because it just

39:35

blends really well. Physical sunscreens

39:37

tend to be a little bit more chalky or you

39:39

have to sit sit there and blend it even more.

39:42

But because of all of the things I just told

39:44

you, we Ive, you know, I like like physical

39:46

sunscreens. I like it to be a little bit tinted.

39:48

And the trick to them too is put on a moisture

39:51

dryer beforehand or put on your skin care regimen

39:53

beforehand, they tend to blend a lot

39:55

better. If you're just washing your face and putting

39:58

sunscreen on, it's gonna look chalky.

40:00

So so that's

40:02

that's another secret. Another tip. And

40:04

then the last s is a specialty product.

40:07

So it really depends on kind of what

40:10

your skin needs. I have found

40:12

a lot of luck with derm our derm roller. We

40:14

have a gold roller on the Ive. And

40:17

I like the gold. It's an antimicrobial. It

40:20

lasts for at least three years. And

40:22

every Sunday, what I do, this is my specialty,

40:25

is I will roll out my skin, my

40:27

neck, the back of my hands, my chest, I have

40:29

a body roller, and

40:31

I use it with a snail

40:33

serum. So these nails are from Spain

40:35

and the glue that comes out of them is very high in

40:37

collagen. And so I'll

40:39

actually smear it on and then roll it

40:41

in and then smear on some more. It

40:44

does not hurt when you're doing it. It feels

40:47

like a slight sunburn maybe for, like, fifteen

40:49

minutes afterwards. But everyone

40:52

on Monday morning is Ive, oh my god, your skin

40:54

looks so good today. Ive love that.

40:56

So that's it. I mean, and and that was when really

40:59

viral during the pandemic

41:01

because, you know, all of our offices were shut down. So people

41:03

were Ive, oh my god, I've been getting these treatments. I've been building

41:05

on my collagen, and now I can't do anything. So

41:08

I went on, you know, my Instagram, really started

41:10

saying, this is the stuff I do. And people

41:12

were like, thank you so much. God bless you. And, you

41:14

know, so a lot of things can actually be

41:16

done at home. Yes. So the way I like people

41:19

to think about it is come coming into my office.

41:21

I'm your trainer. I'm gonna push you harder.

41:24

And and use different equipment than you might have

41:26

at home, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't work out home.

41:28

Uh-huh. So I always say it's, you know,

41:30

help me help you. This is what we're gonna do

41:32

today. Here's what you're gonna do in between

41:34

treatments at home. Oh, I love

41:36

it. I love it. Well, I'd love for you to

41:38

talk about your non profit the Nazarian

41:41

Institute. Tell us all about that.

41:43

Yeah. So Ive actually saw a huge

41:46

need there. I did

41:48

I was an economics major at Columbia University,

41:51

and I did the Marshall

41:53

School of Business between General Surgery and Plastic

41:55

Surgery and had my second child. And

41:57

so having gone to business school, I was like,

41:59

oh my gosh, I wish somebody would Ive taught

42:02

me business skills when

42:04

I was young. And so

42:06

Ive started the Nazarian Institute because I didn't

42:08

see any business skills being taught to

42:10

physicians. It was almost like a dirty word.

42:12

But I feel like in order to have a profitable and

42:15

sick successful practice. You need to know

42:17

your balance sheet. You need to know how to

42:19

do HR. You need to know how to

42:21

lead and have leadership skills. You do need

42:23

to get over your impostor syndrome. You

42:25

do need to go into meetings with confidence and

42:27

be able to speak the language of finance with

42:29

people. That's so true. Yeah.

42:32

So I was like, you know what, we're not getting

42:34

taught any of that. So I started the Nazarian Institute,

42:36

and our conference is called Think Big. The

42:39

big stance for branding innovation

42:41

and growth. We've had Tamara

42:43

Mellon who is the cofounder of Jimmy

42:45

Choo Kino. We've had Chris Jenner keynote.

42:48

We had that Really frank, keynote, but

42:50

really all of our speakers were keynote. And

42:52

this is pre pre pandemic. We've actually taken

42:55

it online now if people can sign up

42:57

and watch the videos on their own terms

42:59

at this point. But healthcare providers

43:01

from every branch of medicine,

43:04

from nurses, to managers, to

43:06

doctors, were coming in,

43:08

and it was literally keynote after keynote.

43:10

I mean, people wouldn't even get up to go to the bathroom because

43:13

every talk was so good. Yes. And

43:15

what ended up happening, which was really interesting,

43:17

is the first day. Because, you know, like, I'm sure as you start

43:19

your podcast, it kinda morphs into what it wants

43:21

to be. Yes. So the first day, we

43:23

were teaching a lot of, you know, business

43:26

branding, social media skills,

43:28

all of that. The second day, we were Ive,

43:30

okay, how do you stop getting in your own way?

43:32

Yeah. So it was a lot of personal growth

43:35

and things like that. And every

43:37

year, we had someone come to us and say, you

43:39

know what? I was was suicidal.

43:41

I was burned out, and this conference saved my life.

43:44

Which is so strange because it was a business

43:46

conference. We didn't set out to do that.

43:48

So it's actually really something super

43:50

beautiful when the pandemic hit. We

43:52

took all of the previous lectures, took them

43:54

online. It's under Nazarian institute

43:57

dot org. And people

43:59

from all over the world can watch these videos

44:01

on their own

44:02

time. That's so wonderful. It was

44:04

great. And we have new speakers all the time.

44:07

That is wonderful. The ones you've already listed

44:09

are just brilliant. Ive Brilliant.

44:12

Brilliant women. Oh, I love it. Yeah. And

44:14

we have male speakers too. It's for everyone. Yeah.

44:16

Congratulations. Thank you. And agree

44:19

with your theory behind it. It's

44:21

just wonderful. You're right. You you go

44:23

to school and you're so busy learning

44:26

everything you need to do to become

44:28

a physician. Mhmm. And

44:31

unless you really are taken early

44:33

on when you're young and taught

44:35

these things -- Yep. -- but it's so important.

44:37

Yeah. I heard you say a, quote,

44:40

success without fulfillment is

44:42

failure. And I loved

44:45

that I'm really big on quotes anyway.

44:47

I just gravitate towards

44:48

them. I write them down. I have a file at home and

44:51

whatever. I love quotes especially when

44:53

they really touch me. And I

44:55

love success without fulfillment is

44:58

failure. Yeah. So true. I

45:00

tell my residents and my students all the time

45:02

because they're so laser focused, and I was too.

45:04

Guilty is charged, laser focused

45:07

on my career. And thank God, I

45:09

went to Albert Einstein College of Medicine, which is

45:11

Yoshiva University's Medical School. So

45:13

half of the people in my class already had four

45:15

kids by the time they were in medical school.

45:17

I remember walking to class and seeing twenty

45:19

kids chalk drawing on the floor and I was Ive,

45:22

I'm behind. Like, I need to

45:24

put this on my to do list, so I literally wrote down

45:26

my to do list, get married. Uh-huh. And

45:28

I told my family in New York and I'm Persian.

45:30

So once you set out the bells that you're ready,

45:32

you have five dates a week set up for you

45:35

with, like, doctor account lawyer, you

45:37

know, on on on Speed dial. I

45:39

just would go out with everyone and stay

45:42

friends with everyone, so they would invite me to their parties.

45:44

Ive though if didn't work out with them, if you can meet

45:46

their friends, just spreading that net Ive right

45:49

there that's just such a good secret.

45:51

Put just put my, you know, tentacles

45:53

in that spread that net wide. And

45:56

finally, you know, met

45:58

my husband and it was Ive super easy.

46:01

We were engaged in three months. And I by

46:03

the way, the guy who set me up with him told me, you

46:05

know, you're in LA for a few weeks. This

46:07

guy, you'll have a good time, but he never wants to get

46:09

married. That's how I was introduced. Oh.

46:11

I don't think I would challenge. Yeah. But I

46:13

wasn't even I was just like a yes. I was like, I'm gonna

46:15

say yes to everyone. I'm gonna be nice to everyone.

46:18

I'm a stay friends with everyone and just get to meet

46:20

as many people as possible because it really is a

46:22

numbers game. But if you're engaged

46:24

in three being yes, but the point is

46:26

coming back to your quote, is

46:29

Ive especially people in my world,

46:31

we get so caught up in career, but

46:34

you have to really look at, you know, your in ten years,

46:36

twenty years, and say, what is gonna fulfill me? And if

46:38

that includes marriage or if it includes

46:41

kids or if it includes anything

46:43

else, you can't just expect that to

46:45

happen. That's right. And Ive could have been the most

46:47

successful plastic surgeon, but

46:49

I would have been all alone, unhappy, and

46:51

bitter. Because to me,

46:54

fulfillment includes a family. And

46:56

so I'm so glad that I actually, you know,

46:58

no matter how tired I was. I put on some lipstick.

47:01

I went out to the club. I went out on the

47:03

states because

47:04

Ive feel fulfilled.

47:06

Ive that. How long

47:07

have you been married? Almost eighteen years.

47:09

I don't even know how. Oh, congratulations.

47:12

Thank you. Philip Jokes all the time.

47:14

Well, no, he's serious. And

47:17

I say, that's not true, but it's

47:19

kind of this joke that we

47:21

go back and forth with. And he said on the first

47:23

date, I walked him by a church. Mhmm.

47:26

And then we kind of paused

47:28

right in front of the church. He says, I

47:30

did. And then I looked at him and said,

47:32

how do you feel about marriage? said

47:35

it was not our first date. It was Ive our third

47:37

date, but I

47:39

did want to

47:40

know. I was very forced to I had to waste my

47:42

time. I told my husband on the first date

47:45

at Catana. Right? Ive, literally, five

47:47

blocks down from here. I told him just so you

47:49

know, I don't date anyone for longer than six months.

47:52

I love it. Because, like, these women

47:54

are dating these men for, like, a year, two years, three

47:56

years before, you

47:56

know, you're fifty. Right. don't have time.

47:59

Like, yes, you all know. I thought he needed

48:01

to know. Ive do

48:03

want to be married and have children.

48:05

How do you feel about marriage? That's

48:07

true. About children. He did say he

48:09

didn't wanna ever have

48:10

children, but I do. I do

48:13

better. Ive knew he I knew his heart. I knew

48:15

he would I mean, say, tell me, I mean, I got hooked

48:17

up with a guy got on a date that never allegedly

48:19

wanted to get married. But he went home after the first

48:21

day called the sister instead of marrying

48:23

her. So there we go. Oh, okay. We used

48:25

to marry six years. Wow.

48:27

Yeah. That's amazing. Thank you.

48:29

Yeah.

48:30

It's like you know. But That's so

48:32

wonderful. And you have two children. We have

48:34

three children. We have three children. Ive

48:36

have a fifteen year old girl, fourteen year

48:39

old

48:39

boy, and eleven year old girl. Congratulations.

48:41

Thank you. We're deep in it. We're deep in the teenagerness.

48:44

Yes. You are. That's so

48:46

far. So can you tell us about

48:48

anything exciting coming up?

48:51

Oh my gosh. I feel like I I still

48:54

haven't taken my little moment to

48:56

reflect on twenty twenty three. You

48:58

know what I mean? No. We have conference is

49:00

coming up. I'm actually going to Egypt in

49:02

May. I'm going to Turkey in October.

49:06

We're going to Korea for and Japan

49:08

for three weeks in the summer, my daughter, my fifteen

49:10

year old actually speaks fluent Korean. Uh-huh.

49:13

She taught herself over the pandemic lately.

49:15

She got accepted into one of the universities there.

49:18

So so we're all going to Korea. K.

49:21

Great. So this is

49:23

good stuff. You know, I just think we,

49:25

you know, we did the Netflix show. We did all

49:27

of that. And I think what the pandemic showed

49:29

me and is I was I remember I was sitting in my,

49:31

you know, home office. I

49:33

was looking at the view, and

49:36

I said, I did it. Like, why

49:38

am I running so fast still? Like,

49:41

I have this beautiful house. I'm I'm never

49:43

in it. Yeah. You know, I sleep here

49:45

basically. Yeah. So I just I

49:47

realized you know, the kids, especially as you

49:49

know, the teenage years, I think they need you

49:51

the most. Yeah. And I I still do stuff,

49:53

you know, I still do fun stuff like this. We have the podcast.

49:56

I do a lot, but really, I think the

49:58

most important thing is being a mom

50:00

-- Mhmm. -- and being home with your kids.

50:02

So even, you know, I'm speaking in Utah

50:05

in a couple weeks, they're coming with me. Ive,

50:07

so excited. I try to involve them. I

50:09

try to take them with me every everywhere I go,

50:12

and I try to work from home as much as I

50:14

can. I'm operating about two days

50:16

a week. I do virtual consults

50:18

from home. I do all the podcast stuff

50:20

usually from home. And I'm

50:22

in clinic once a week. So it's

50:25

great. I think I have a great balance right now.

50:27

And everybody always says that right to you can have balance

50:29

but not all at once. I disagree. I

50:31

think that that's true in your twenties and maybe

50:33

your thirties, but in your forties, you really

50:36

are your own master of your own ship.

50:38

Mhmm. You can time anything out however

50:40

you want. And really, you can have it all

50:42

at the same time. It just takes a minute to get

50:44

there. Ive love

50:45

it. I love that you say that because I believe

50:47

it. I agree with you.

50:51

So on this podcast, as I said earlier,

50:53

I decided before we Ive started podcast,

50:55

I wanted to do two things. We've done our drink

50:57

of the day. Now it's time for us to do the

50:59

game of the day. Okay. Because I love

51:01

playing games. I love having fun. Mhmm.

51:04

And what better time after

51:06

speaking of your three children and how much fun

51:08

you are having with them now.

51:11

Let's play our game of the day. And this

51:13

game also was created just for you

51:15

and our topic

51:16

today.

51:16

And the name of the game is skin

51:18

decision. Okay. In

51:20

honor of your Netflix series,

51:23

skin decision before and after,

51:25

we're going to play a game where we need

51:27

to make some choices. I'm

51:30

going to read off two skin healthy

51:32

options. And we both need

51:34

to pick the one skin decision

51:37

that we can't live without. Okay.

51:39

Now as I said, my staff here are

51:42

brilliant, and they come up with the drink

51:44

of the day, and they come up with the game of the day. So

51:46

I have not seen this. So I want you to know, I'm

51:48

not cheating.

51:50

So number one, retinol

51:53

or vitamin c.

51:55

Do you want to go for our scosh? It's

51:58

like saying air or water.

52:02

Ive would say for most

52:04

people Ive think retinols for everyone,

52:06

so I'm gonna go with

52:07

retinol. Okay. I'm so glad

52:09

that we're playing this together and because you're

52:11

the one that knows everything

52:13

about it. I when

52:16

we talked about this earlier, I jumped. I'm

52:19

gonna say vitamin c. I think it's

52:21

so interesting that you said acting prone skin.

52:24

Should not use vitamin c because

52:26

I grew up with acne. Mhmm.

52:29

I have some flare ups sometimes, so I'm

52:31

but I'm still gonna say vitamin c. Okay?

52:34

They're both really

52:35

important. Can't go wrong. Okay. Number

52:37

two, nuts or seeds. Nuts

52:41

or seeds. Well, nuts can

52:43

cause acne breakouts. I

52:45

love nuts though for me. So I would say

52:47

seeds are more for everyone. But

52:49

if you don't break out, I mean, I love my almonds.

52:52

So

52:53

That's so I'm Ive glad

52:55

to hear that nuts, all nuts. Can

52:57

make you break

52:58

out. Is that true? Well, Walnuts can and almonds.

53:01

And it's so funny because for the longest

53:03

time, it doesn't mean you are now. You know what

53:05

I mean? I just we Ive to say, you

53:07

know, like an acne diet. And it's so funny

53:09

because for the longest time, you know, your grandma would say,

53:11

don't eat chocolate, you can break out, or Ive, don't

53:14

do this. True. This can happen. And for the

53:16

longest Ive, I was, like, oh gosh, it's so not true. And

53:18

then they came out with studies that are, like, okay, maybe. No,

53:20

not a mess. So a

53:21

truth. Well, I'm gonna say also,

53:24

I'm gonna say seeds. I do

53:26

love almond butter and

53:28

I think it's okay for me because I don't

53:31

break out. Because of my almond

53:33

butter, but I do know I cannot have

53:35

peanut butter. And I ate peanut

53:37

butter growing up. I

53:40

was addicted to it with my pregnancies, but

53:42

I did some major tests. And

53:46

I cannot have peanut butter. It is the worst

53:48

thing for me and my skin and my digestive

53:50

issues. So seeds.

53:53

Yes. Okay. Okay. Number three,

53:55

washing your face in the morning or

53:57

washing your face at night?

53:59

Oh, I would say definitely washing your face at

54:02

night because you gotta get all that pollution,

54:04

sunscreen, makeup

54:07

-- Yep. -- all of that off. I'm I'm

54:09

definitely guilty of coming home

54:11

some days and face planting into my bed.

54:14

Yeah. So what I do is we have

54:16

these cleansing pads -- Mhmm.

54:18

-- and I just keep them at my bedside table. Mhmm.

54:21

So if I you know, sometimes you just don't want that cold

54:23

water on your face. Right? And for about better. You've been

54:25

watching TV and you're just dozing off. I'll just grab

54:27

some of that and at least Mhmm. I'm

54:29

not saying it's a substitute because using those

54:31

pads every night can actually dry you out.

54:33

But I think it's a great option to have in your gym

54:35

bag or in the car or at

54:37

the bedside table just in

54:39

case. Well, I completely agree

54:41

with you. I'm piggy washing your face

54:44

at night. I

54:47

have always I do my own makeup for

54:49

the camera and I know I wear a lot

54:51

of makeup. I totally believe

54:53

in that grime that you

54:55

face picks up during the day. And I

54:57

like I said earlier, I have three older sisters and

54:59

they just preached my whole Ive. Never

55:02

go to bed with that. Why should your

55:03

face? And so I can say I have never

55:06

gone to bed with that clean I

55:07

can't. I say the same. I wish I something gets

55:09

ingrained in my brain. It's like I look

55:11

at the clock and I have to schedule my

55:15

ritual of cleansing my face. So,

55:17

yes, I do it every day. Number

55:19

four, laser

55:21

Facials or traditional faceals.

55:24

They got to be a know you're gonna say

55:26

laser faceals. I mean, I think it depends.

55:28

You know, you're not gonna do a laser facial every

55:31

month. But, Trish, certainly, you

55:33

know, one of my institutions used to call it emptying

55:35

out the trash cans, you know, cleaning out those

55:37

pores, getting those extractions once a month

55:39

really makes a difference.

55:41

It really does. I see both. Ive

55:43

say both because I was gonna

55:45

say Facials because

55:47

you can do your own facial at

55:49

home, but really you cannot. I think everyone should

55:51

have a professional facial once in a while?

55:53

Yes. Okay. So let's say both on that

55:55

one. Mhmm. Number Ive,

55:58

cream or night cream. Oh

56:01

my gosh. You know what? I'm gonna say

56:03

eye cream and I'll let you know why. Why?

56:06

Because night creams, you know, are typically moisturizing

56:09

creams. If you are using the right products

56:12

with the right regimen, you should I

56:14

mean, this is gonna, like, blow everyone's mind.

56:16

You shouldn't actually need a moisturizer if

56:19

you're using the right products. So if you're

56:21

using a moisturizing antioxidant or

56:23

moisturizing retinol or a hyaluronic acid

56:25

serum, you you you shouldn't

56:27

actually need moisturizer now just statistically

56:30

because I'm the business person. Moisturizers

56:32

is number one selling skin care product in the country.

56:35

So everyone's saying or but they come to me how

56:37

many times have I heard? I don't know why my skin got

56:39

like this. I use a moisturizer every day. Yeah.

56:41

You know? But you need something active in there

56:43

so, like, skin, our moisturizer,

56:46

has antioxidants in it. You know,

56:48

so you want things that are doing double, triple,

56:50

quadruple duty for you. So if you are

56:52

only using a moisturizer, at least

56:54

make sure it has antioxidants in it. Yeah.

56:57

Or for example, our body cream has a touch of retinol

56:59

with antioxidants in it. To get that creepy

57:01

skin done. So think it depends. But

57:04

really, if you're using the right skincare products,

57:06

guess

57:06

what? You shouldn't need a moisturizer. That

57:09

is I totally agree with you. And,

57:12

like, I actually don't

57:15

use a moisturizer. Ive have

57:18

other products that I believe in, like,

57:20

a dry oil, a face

57:22

oil -- Mhmm. -- that I just

57:25

live by.

57:26

Serums. Mhmm. Because the

57:28

serums are really moisturizing.

57:29

If you're using the right things -- Yes. -- you

57:31

shouldn't need a moisturizer.

57:33

I don't Ive a moisturizer that

57:35

I use. Or maybe sometimes during the wintertime,

57:37

Ive, we go to Tahoe all the Ive, I will take

57:39

a moisturizer with me and, like, layer

57:41

it on, like, frosting. Love that for me. I

57:43

must call it Ive moisturizing mask. Yeah.

57:45

But, yeah, on a day to

57:46

day, you shouldn't need one. But do you know what?

57:48

If I actually forget

57:52

or just don't bother with an eye cream

57:55

within two days maybe

57:57

if, like, if we're traveling, I forget to pack it

57:59

I can tell I haven't had my eye cream on.

58:02

Ive have not used my eye cream in a in a

58:04

while. Mhmm. So eye cream hands down

58:06

eye cream. Okay. Last one.

58:08

Flavored water or sparkling water.

58:11

Oh my gosh. I love sparkling

58:14

water. I I will say

58:16

I cannot have plain water. I'm the most

58:18

dehydrated, like, aesthetic

58:20

expert you will meet. Interesting.

58:23

I actually I love kombucha.

58:26

Flavored kombucha or sparkling water,

58:29

but you won't find me drinking plain

58:30

water. Entrestate.

58:33

Well, sadly, that writes us to the end

58:35

of this episode. But before

58:37

we wrap up, I need to ask you one

58:39

final question. And we talked about

58:42

this even before the podcast started, but this

58:44

podcast is all about sharing secrets,

58:47

life changing secrets, movie that you've

58:49

heard from maybe your grandmother, your

58:51

mother, friends, whatever, but

58:53

a secret that has changed your life and

58:55

I would love for you to share with the listeners.

58:58

Oh my gosh. I'm trying to think all the crazy

59:00

stuff I tell my students. Yeah.

59:03

Okay. I will tell you. The

59:05

secret that I've come to learn almost

59:07

most recently is and I think it's very

59:10

relevant right now in the current climate

59:12

is you can never get canceled if

59:15

you're speaking from a place of love and

59:17

to your core values and

59:20

if you don't give in. So

59:22

you can only get canceled if you submit

59:24

to it. And

59:27

I am very loud. I

59:29

feel like my parents brought me to this country,

59:32

the beautiful land of free speech. And

59:34

I think a lot of people are self silencing

59:36

themselves right now, which is such a shame

59:40

in America. And so

59:42

you'll find me on my Instagram saying

59:44

everything I want when it comes to religion,

59:47

politics, skin

59:49

care, hypocrisy within

59:52

my industry or outside of my industry

59:54

because I think it's such a gift and my parents

59:56

didn't risk everything to bring me here to

59:58

shut up.

59:59

Oh. That is beautiful.

1:00:02

That was very, very profound

1:00:04

and true. And Thank you so

1:00:06

much for sharing that. My pleasure. That

1:00:09

was wonderful. And speaking

1:00:12

of your

1:00:14

social media, your Instagram, and

1:00:16

I know everyone is wanting to go to it and

1:00:18

read everything you have to say. Right.

1:00:20

I have chills just thinking about it. Please

1:00:23

tell the listeners where to find you on social

1:00:26

media.

1:00:26

So my major I have many Instagrams,

1:00:29

one for surgery, one for spa, there's

1:00:31

many, but the main one is at Ive.

1:00:34

Sheila Nazarian. It's DRSH.

1:00:37

So that one's my main one. I

1:00:39

do wanna plug my new podcast. He's

1:00:41

been called The Closet. Our first

1:00:43

guest was Meghan McCain. Our

1:00:45

second guest was Nate Bazulik from Vampire

1:00:48

Diaries. And we

1:00:50

have Yoomi Park coming up soon who

1:00:52

is one of three hundred North Korean defectors

1:00:55

with an amazing story that will make

1:00:57

you feel so grateful to be

1:00:59

in America. Oh. And

1:01:01

so, you know, getting amazing people and

1:01:03

just like you, I'd like to have meaningful conversations

1:01:06

and to talk