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joined by my fearless

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co-host, Pete. No

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fear over here, you guys. Hello. Yeah, there's

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no fear. Tons over here. Scared

0:58

all the time. Every time. Even the podcast. I'm

1:00

like, I don't know. I don't even know if

1:03

I can review it today. Well,

1:06

I just have a guns nearby. So there's no fear over

1:08

here. How's it going? Well, you

1:10

know, when you get, um, brave

1:15

souls like Cat Williams on in

1:17

the week, who's

1:19

just dropping, you

1:21

know, knowledge to the level that it's even

1:23

hard to keep up with. It

1:26

gives me confidence. It gives me confidence.

1:29

Knowledge with the question mark.

1:33

Well, I don't know about you, Pete,

1:35

but to me, he seemed to know

1:37

everything. And not only

1:40

everything, even, excuse me, I'm

1:42

burping. I'm having a whiskey. Even

1:45

things that that, uh,

1:48

like fringe to

1:50

know or like potentially new knowledge to

1:52

him. He was agreeing that he

1:54

knew to knew about it. Like

1:56

it was so obvious and clear

1:59

to him. that it

2:01

was almost a joke that it was brought up. That's

2:04

a wise man. Yeah,

2:08

he's one of those people where you

2:10

can't really explain stuff to because he's already got

2:13

it together. Oh, okay. He already

2:15

knows you don't need to explain it to

2:17

him. Kind of vibe. And

2:21

it was good to hear his voice. I'm not thinking, we're

2:23

not going to start with him, are we? No, no, no. I

2:26

just wanted to touch on

2:29

how much confidence

2:31

he gave me this week. He's

2:33

bubbly. Yeah, he gave me a lot. He

2:36

pumped me up. Let's start with

2:38

Abigail Shrier. Yeah,

2:44

so the

2:47

book, Bad Therapy. I

2:50

have to open up with – I don't

2:52

agree with a lot of what she said.

2:56

Really, only though – I

2:59

mean, there's a bias there because I'm in

3:02

school now for mental health. And

3:04

I do agree. There are a lot

3:06

of problems with like – especially

3:09

the more recent ways that

3:12

people are teaching for mental

3:14

health. There's a

3:16

bit of like a victim culture thing. It's

3:18

like, does that lead

3:21

into not empowering individuals and

3:23

making them stronger? There's

3:25

probably an argument there. Also,

3:28

what she was saying about not having

3:30

great oversight, that's kind of true. I

3:33

mean, once you're – well, that is true. Really.

3:36

Once you're a licensed therapist and you

3:38

don't even have a supervisor anymore, unless

3:40

one of your clients reports you, you're

3:43

just kind of like speaking into

3:45

the ether until

3:48

somebody complains, and you probably

3:50

have to be fairly egregious.

3:53

So, you know, there's – I'm

3:55

sure there's like a good

3:58

amount of fart-sniffing going on. When

4:00

it comes to like – and you got a sniff

4:03

of farts or the farts of your

4:06

governing bodies. That's a problem

4:08

with Jordan Peterson. He got in trouble with that stuff. He

4:10

– I guess he had 17 complaints,

4:13

turns out not even from people that he

4:15

was working with. Yeah, that was

4:17

just because he was famous. It's bullshit. Yeah. So

4:20

– so, you know, the – He'd be famous. Well,

4:22

the complaint thing on

4:24

a local level makes sense. It's

4:27

like the idea there is if you, Pete,

4:29

are a therapist and you're

4:32

doing like an okay job, you know,

4:34

normal job, but maybe like sometimes you're

4:36

doing a bit of a shit job.

4:39

Well, that means

4:41

that someone you know or a client is

4:43

going to complain about you. And I think

4:45

the cutoff is somewhere around five. So

4:48

you would need to have five

4:50

complaints from five different people before

4:53

the board really looks at it and then

4:55

you're – you know, you kind of have

4:58

to speak to these

5:01

accusations. Well, on

5:03

a more local level, that's

5:05

somewhat reasonable even if there

5:08

was, you know,

5:10

kind of like

5:13

an active attack

5:15

on you as a person, right? It

5:18

would take more than just like one upset

5:20

Karen or even two to get

5:22

to five people and then kind of come after

5:24

you. The problem is once

5:27

you get like Dr. Phil

5:30

famous or Jordan Peterson,

5:35

you're open to any scrutiny. I mean people

5:37

can come at you from states

5:39

and countries that you

5:42

don't even live in and complain. Well,

5:45

that's when a system like this completely breaks

5:47

down, right? It

5:49

just is gonna. Did

5:52

you know that Dr. Phil hasn't renewed his

5:54

license since like 2006? You

6:00

spoke about that last time. Exactly. So,

6:03

now that I've thought about it, it's

6:05

like probably because people could complain like

6:07

that. If he doesn't go

6:09

for his license, they can't do it. There's no

6:12

legal complaints then. And a little to

6:14

the liability or recourse for people that want to

6:16

complain. Mm-hmm. Mm.

6:19

But he's obviously... Anyway, Abigail. Yeah,

6:22

but along the same lines, right? What she's

6:24

saying is there are problems there

6:27

with these people, these systems

6:29

that necessarily doesn't help

6:31

kids. This

6:33

week, because I obviously know some therapists

6:35

and I'm close with them, and

6:38

a few of them do specialize in working

6:40

with kids, I

6:43

will say that they weren't

6:45

entirely against what she was saying. They

6:48

did agree that there

6:50

are plenty of therapists out there that might not

6:53

be doing a lot for the

6:57

individual kids themselves. And they

6:59

were open to the idea that

7:01

it could be them under certain

7:03

circumstances with certain kids. It's

7:06

like somewhat hard to know. But

7:09

overall, what

7:11

I've heard is that these kids

7:14

are brought to therapy not just

7:16

because they have behavioral problems or

7:18

they're struggling, it's that

7:21

they're brought there because they have

7:24

no one to talk to. They

7:26

have no parent that is properly

7:28

paying attention to them. And

7:31

they've got in a lot of trouble and

7:33

it's mandated therapy. And when

7:35

that happens... Not yet, but it happens. Yeah, when

7:37

that happens, she laid it out like the

7:40

parents care even though they

7:42

can't get through to this kid, and

7:44

now all that's happening when they

7:46

get to therapy is the therapist

7:48

is reaffirming this behavior

7:51

and just, yeah, they're just constantly

7:53

then depressed and anxious and have

7:55

no confidence and keep needing to

7:57

go back to the therapist. Well,

8:03

what I'm hearing is the majority

8:05

of the kids that are going

8:08

in this direction are actually

8:11

ones that don't

8:13

have parental support and

8:16

therefore anyone

8:20

kind of listening to them. Right.

8:23

That's a big problem. Yeah, when you take

8:25

a kid like that, it's like, hey, at

8:27

least somebody is paying attention to them and

8:29

listening to what's happening in their life,

8:32

like giving them some chance. So

8:34

the point here is like some therapy,

8:37

maybe not, you know, maybe even not

8:39

the best therapy is better

8:42

than none for somebody

8:44

in a bad spot. But

8:46

I would say that talk

8:49

to someone who's better than no one, but

8:51

not if that someone reaffirms your

8:53

mild anxieties, balloons them

8:56

and potentially prescribes

8:58

drugs that

9:00

are unnecessary. Was it like 40% of

9:03

kids these days are diagnosed?

9:06

Yeah. Well, you mean with

9:09

any diagnosis? Yeah,

9:12

I think she said that 40% of kids now

9:14

have a diagnosis. Well,

9:18

but here's the thing. In

9:20

order to work with insurance when

9:23

you're a therapist, you have to

9:25

diagnose your client. Ah.

9:28

Right. So if they are

9:30

not diagnosable, let's say someone comes in that

9:32

wants to keep talking to you, but there's

9:34

no, they, there's nothing. There's nothing

9:37

under, you

9:39

know, the diagnosis manual

9:41

that you could put them under. You

9:43

need to be like, okay,

9:45

insurance is not going to cover this. You

9:49

know, mostly they put adjustment disorder at

9:51

that point. It's like, hey, you're going

9:53

through something. It's difficult. It's an adjustment.

9:56

It's not a problem. It's like the,

9:59

the most. Um, you

10:01

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10:04

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10:07

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the point there is... A lot of good stuff to say.

11:55

Yeah, yeah. I mean, what she's saying there is

11:57

true. She's saying that... that

12:00

40% of the people like

12:02

these kids that go to therapy need

12:05

a diagnosis. They have to have it in order for

12:07

insurance to pay for them. So

12:10

that's inflated. What she

12:13

followed up with with that

12:15

though is because of the

12:17

diagnosis, the kids

12:19

are therefore trapping themselves in

12:21

a place. And

12:24

that is a concern, right? If

12:26

somebody says, hey, you have mild

12:30

autism or you have ADHD, it's

12:32

like, do all these

12:34

kids, and this is a question I don't

12:37

know, I can't answer, are

12:39

these kids then leaning into their diagnosis

12:42

and like making excuses like, oh, I can't

12:44

sit still because I have ADHD. Well,

12:47

okay, but can you actually sit

12:49

still right now? You

12:51

know? Or I don't like

12:54

to shake hands because I'm all testing, but

12:56

it's like, okay,

12:58

but do you wanna try? You

13:01

wanna give it a go? Or do you

13:03

just succumb to the definition that

13:05

someone told you that you are

13:07

and then therefore you're filling

13:09

that out? So they

13:11

get kind of bogged down by that,

13:14

they get labels and then that's their

13:16

label, that's their piece of their identity then?

13:18

Yeah, dude, I mean, how many people have

13:20

you known that were not

13:22

given very good feedback about their own

13:24

academics in high school? And

13:28

they basically now live their

13:30

entire adult life thinking

13:32

they're dumb and they

13:34

can't figure new things out that are academic.

13:39

No, me, I guess. Well, it's four

13:41

years of a thing and

13:43

it's just only so

13:45

many teachers there that probably weren't

13:48

that good, were underpaid, didn't give

13:50

a fuck, you know, didn't

13:52

have the time or the patience or the

13:54

knowledge to even help An

13:57

individual figure out what they were trying

13:59

to learn. Then not always of

14:01

the kids, a disinterested or too

14:03

stupid to do the work. And

14:06

there we go now because of

14:08

that. For years. Often.

14:11

Times. People. Will then

14:13

live the rest of their adult life thinking

14:15

they can't do any of those things. That.

14:18

On but some. And civility. Yes,

14:23

We needed stream of people

14:25

to a retread Tires vs.

14:29

Try. To go to pre med or something. I was

14:31

gonna be a doctor. One. Hundred

14:33

percent would with not everyone needs to feel

14:35

like they have to be one other ways

14:38

or loser to. It's

14:40

like a unless you're a doctor or

14:42

lawyer, you just not cool. It's like

14:44

hey, why can't a plumber. Be.

14:46

Cool. I. Mean I

14:48

I thought Mario was gonna saw

14:50

that out. It.

14:53

Was a great game but. People

14:56

just didn't go into plumbing like I assume

14:59

they would. Doesn't seem like he's focusing on

15:01

his trade. It seems like he's messing around

15:03

in some sort of tube world. said Davies

15:05

give it as I signed. Bloody

15:08

give of those pipes. But you know, I

15:11

mean if somebody just said to you hey,

15:13

what do you really want in life like

15:15

sink back to high school you just like

15:17

law I want. Is. A lot

15:19

of press these that com then

15:22

there's a lot of like our

15:24

money on a courthouse our young

15:26

girls all these different things but

15:29

that's only because we will like

15:31

learning from this like small built

15:33

like pool of information. Where.

15:36

Where it's like, hey, you can also

15:38

do a decade of working in a

15:40

restaurant, which a lot of people after

15:42

high school will do. The

15:45

any if somebody is I get Also

15:47

you could be making close to six

15:49

figures within a year. Olds who have

15:51

an apprenticeship. Being. And an

15:53

electrician or a plumber. or like.

15:56

Doing some sort of like. You.

15:58

know construction And

16:00

there's a lot of elements to construction.

16:02

It's not just like lifting cement, right?

16:04

Oh, yeah. You can make good money in

16:06

a craft that's really useful. You never run out

16:09

of work. You'll never have

16:11

to fear not having a job,

16:13

which is a real thing as

16:15

an adult that high school kids

16:17

don't appreciate. And you

16:19

could be saving money immediately without

16:21

gaining student debt. Right.

16:24

Dude, nobody had that conversation with me when I

16:26

was in high school. Nobody. Not even close. I

16:28

would have loved to have had that. I would

16:30

have been like, wait a minute. I don't even

16:33

have to do all this fucking algebra. And they're

16:35

like, trust me, dude, zero

16:37

algebra. You know how to use

16:39

a tape measure? That's it.

16:41

You know how to write down what's on

16:43

your tape measure? I'm like, I'm pretty sure

16:46

I could learn. They'd be like, yeah, you

16:48

could learn that. And I'm not taking anything away

16:50

from that type of work, too. I'm not saying,

16:52

oh, this is for dummies. I'm just saying you

16:54

don't have to go to college for it. You

16:57

don't have to do all the filler bullshit

17:00

or you can get to your trade school

17:02

and then pay you to take it. You

17:04

know, but. Yeah.

17:07

And you get to work with like really

17:09

fucking interesting people. You could probably build your

17:11

own home. I'll never get to build my

17:13

own home, Pete. Earlier

17:16

on, I got a dartboard that showed up

17:18

here and I was like, ah,

17:20

I want to put that up, but I'm not going to find a

17:22

stud. Yeah, that's

17:25

how useless I am. Yeah,

17:28

there are people out here that can

17:30

build their own homes and that must

17:32

feel amazing. It's

17:35

interesting what we prescribe value to. And

17:38

yeah, that's important. We should have

17:41

a lot of our school system is

17:43

obviously geared toward making kids be

17:46

factory ready and we don't even do factories really

17:48

anymore. So we need to switch it up. We

17:50

don't need to make 16 to

17:53

17 and 18 year olds get into

17:56

hundreds and then thousands

17:58

and then maybe even hundreds of

18:00

dollars in debt for a job

18:03

that they will never get free

18:05

of that debt from. Yeah. It's disgusting.

18:09

I think Abigail was, her

18:11

big thing was that she, about, was

18:13

the lack of oversight, letting

18:17

therapists run without parent

18:19

approval, turning rights against

18:22

children, and just,

18:26

who's teaching these kids? What's going

18:28

on? Yeah. Parents

18:30

are good. Parents typically, 80%

18:33

of kids you tell to walk it off are going to

18:35

walk it off. Now we don't

18:37

even tell kids to walk it off. That's, you know,

18:40

it's insensitive. We

18:42

all need to walk it off. We all need to buck up a little bit. And

18:45

even if it means buck up and go talk

18:47

to somebody in therapy, they

18:49

should do it. Yeah, we can't, we

18:52

can't like, you know, nerf proof

18:54

the world, right? We

18:56

can't make everything so soft that

18:59

it's like, oh, we don't need to

19:01

train them to be resilient. It's like

19:03

your emotions, even in

19:06

the softest world, they're probably worse.

19:09

You know, it's like, what

19:11

is the softest world? LA,

19:13

everyone's a trust-funk kid. And,

19:17

you know, everyone just goes to like, aren't

19:20

museum. Berkeley,

19:22

Sam, I guess that's in Sam. I'm

19:24

not sure where that is. But exactly, right? But I know

19:26

that's over there. There's no war. Barely anyone has to work.

19:28

The people of work. Well,

19:31

don't worry. Okay, so this is the safest life. Could you imagine the like

19:33

high school, you

19:40

know, bullshit dialogue that goes along with

19:42

that? I mean, that is emotionally

19:44

very difficult to deal with.

19:47

It's like you don't need an asteroid or

19:49

a bed attacking you to like, feel terrible

19:51

about your status in the world. That

19:54

that's gonna happen. That will

19:56

always be there. Death

19:58

is living for us all. Oh. And

20:01

in lieu of a actual

20:03

catastrophe, we've. Manufactured.

20:05

It by getting all of

20:08

our kids addicted to opioids

20:10

and in. Letting. People

20:12

to swap cross border bringing them

20:14

in China or Mexico. Now we

20:16

have a death rate that's incredible

20:18

just from drugs. We don't need

20:20

a war to make us. To.

20:23

To kill us. We.

20:26

Have ourselves. Like think that

20:28

we and a lot of our friends. Will.

20:30

Disagree with Abigail because. Sit.

20:32

And season because we believe it.

20:34

intervention. We. Believe in like step

20:37

in and friends and with somebody and say

20:39

hey your behaviors not are correct right now.

20:42

And you'd realize is that right? I realize

20:45

it's not right with the steps you can

20:47

do to change this your behavior and you're

20:49

thinking so in that regard, therapies and helpful

20:51

for me and he's been helpful for the

20:53

people in my life. And. That

20:55

and I'm so that's why they might argue.

20:58

It hurts as have a hard nosed. Woman:

21:01

About it she has she has her

21:03

in the sand but yeah it's it

21:05

is important but also. Eighty

21:07

percent of us can. Walk. It off. I

21:11

think I agree did. And you

21:13

know, and I'm saying that dangerously

21:15

as someone has been through almost

21:17

a graduate program in Behavior House.

21:19

I think there is this element

21:21

of like, okay, you know we're

21:23

not talking My shaken babies were

21:25

talking about like. Brush.

21:27

Your knees off. I. Know that

21:29

hurt. You're not alone. But.

21:32

You know want? You could do that again. And

21:35

narrowing us, yeah, go try it again.

21:38

And. This is a lack of preparedness.

21:40

Almost like all talk about scary

21:42

That was like okay, yeah, I

21:44

don't even know, I'm trying to

21:46

forget about how scary I was.

21:48

I don't talk about it again.

21:51

Yeah, yeah, my question would always

21:53

he. Can you go and do it

21:55

again and maybe do a better. Are

21:57

you a better yet? don't try the

21:59

rope swing one Fall off and then never

22:01

try it again because it was too scary.

22:03

That's not the world. I want to make

22:05

for a child Wait for

22:07

the water to get higher and you jump

22:09

back in that summit hole. That's it Get

22:12

back on there. Yeah, hold on tighter

22:14

gator kick kick. I Kick

22:17

it. I mean there there is

22:20

a reasonable Any alligators

22:22

down there where you live? I don't think so

22:25

Now we got some lakes and stuff with

22:27

we probably got some dangerous snakes You

22:30

know pray some weird ass bite

22:32

your snakes caught cotton mouths or

22:34

some copperheads Never

22:36

else that sounds more like deserty

22:39

stuff. I mean, it's not as

22:41

a wet as a wetland. Oh, they all wet Okay.

22:43

Yeah. Yeah, we've forgot those prego

22:45

I could Google like what what's up

22:47

with Tennessee, but I Feel

22:50

like you know We just got tornadoes

22:52

that occasionally just wipe off a bit

22:54

of the land and that's as

22:56

far as I can tell and I'm not That religious

22:58

it was probably the people that were bad at church.

23:00

Oh They're bad

23:03

at church. Okay, it seems very specific if

23:06

you're looking at the geography of where

23:08

it takes out it like covers like

23:10

three blocks and a gas

23:13

station and you just like Yeah,

23:15

I think God was mad at that bit

23:18

of the earth I don't gaze

23:21

Who know? I know

23:24

that What if

23:26

a true trailer parks suffer the

23:28

most? Hmm cuz

23:31

I'm mad at like cardboard. Well, yeah,

23:33

no, they're not wind-resistant Oh, they

23:35

or they even and they put them on land That's

23:38

cheaper as well because it's like, you know,

23:41

it's a trailer park and you're trying

23:43

to save as much money as you can

23:45

So maybe they put it in like, you

23:47

know tornado alley Who

23:51

knows we'll just pray about it we

23:53

pray about it. Well, yeah, So

23:56

what else is she up to listen? Listen

23:58

Abigail is. Is.

24:01

Unlike unlike. Some what

24:03

she was saying a like this she really. Spoke.

24:06

Out about the gender issues,

24:08

you know? I'm.

24:12

Early on and thought the

24:14

she could never get back

24:16

on Rogan podcast I'm reasonable.

24:18

You. Know there was some meetings as spotify.

24:20

I mean, Rogan doesn't give a fuck about

24:22

that and just kind of. Held

24:25

strong and got a back on. I like

24:27

that because I must have really pissed those

24:29

people offered Spotify, but. Again, actually

24:32

the er oder Spotify. Or.

24:35

The the Ceo is actually on drug

24:37

inside and as he seems like a

24:40

pretty straight up and down and of

24:42

operator a fisher he's A he's definitely

24:44

been on rogan sided bit. What I'm

24:46

saying is they have employees there that

24:48

later fucking kick up a fast cause

24:51

I'm get said a been doing that

24:53

and. And. Either way,

24:55

I'm Joe had her back

24:57

on. And. On

25:00

yet this time around for me

25:02

a little less compelling. It's like

25:05

the gender thing before made more

25:07

sense as like a major issue

25:10

arm I don't really other than

25:12

over prescribing two young kids which

25:14

is a bad move I don't

25:17

know. I. Don't really see

25:19

why. Young. Kids

25:21

that are struggling going the Sarah

25:23

P would make their lives worse.

25:26

I don't know as as a lot of. Real.

25:29

Data: Their. Well.

25:32

It's like of as she was saying. it's like picking

25:34

at a scab. In. I'll let

25:36

it heal, but a scar but assayed.

25:39

And and you forget even were hurt. That's

25:42

kind of what I take from her. Her

25:44

stance. Their shoes his like. You

25:47

have Ptsd. You have a bad memory. And.

25:50

And granted, there are some areas that do

25:52

pete to do have Ptsd, but even the

25:54

combat vets. Who. Served on

25:56

tours. and were blow people

25:58

up getting but up have less

26:01

PTSD than some of the people that

26:03

stayed on base all the time. So

26:05

it's kind of not a rhyme or reason. It's

26:08

another one of those things is who's compiling the data

26:10

for what reason, how are they

26:12

looking at it? No, I'm on board

26:14

with her to a degree. I'm

26:17

so easily swayed with a good

26:19

book and a good speaker.

26:21

I'm very easily swayed. And

26:23

so are the kids that go to people like

26:25

this. They're easily swayed. Oh, now you do have

26:27

a problem. Oh, of course you have a problem.

26:29

And with the wrong bad faith

26:32

actors who are in therapy, they might

26:34

say, oh, yeah, well,

26:36

I get, oh, you felt like you're more boyish than

26:38

you are a girl. Let's

26:41

explore this. Let's go down this road. Before

26:43

you know it, there's no way to come back

26:45

from that road. There's no way to come back

26:48

from taking those drugs or even

26:50

reversing surgeries. Yeah. And I think

26:53

that might actually have been the

26:55

start to her being so frustrated

26:57

with therapists is like dealing with

26:59

the gender issue. Because think

27:01

about it. If you started this dealing with

27:03

the gender issue and then you see a

27:05

bunch of therapists, I mean, I had to

27:08

look at somebody from my program today that

27:11

specializes in LGBTQ plus.

27:13

And I'm like, wait a minute. What?

27:16

How do you specialize in that? How

27:18

do you specialize in just name

27:21

it? LGBTQ plus.

27:23

And I think there's two others.

27:25

So you specialize in eight different

27:27

things or you

27:29

putting them on the all the same

27:32

umbrella or you're just so good you

27:34

can specialize at eight things

27:37

that to be honest, are like mostly

27:40

being invented, you know,

27:43

every month. So

27:46

I have to believe that in six months you were

27:48

able to specialize in this thing or you already knew

27:50

about it. People

27:53

are reaching out there. And

27:55

if you found out like Abigail finds

27:57

out a few kids are like getting.

28:00

into these people's worlds, and

28:03

all they came in there with was I get

28:06

distracted easily, and I

28:08

don't have a lot of friends, and

28:10

now they're getting labeled by

28:12

a quote unquote expert. As

28:17

like, oh, you fall in these

28:19

categories. I get it, I get

28:22

it. I just don't have

28:24

enough info to know that

28:27

that's happening in the therapy world, and God,

28:29

I hope it isn't. Like,

28:31

it's so sad. It's like, it's

28:34

the same level of sad as hearing

28:36

your doctor sucks. Like, he's

28:38

not just a doctor that isn't

28:40

making you healthy. He's actually

28:43

persuading you to get more

28:45

sick. Like a

28:47

50s doctor that said smoking was okay. Oh,

28:49

dude, those were cool doctors. Stop. Ones

28:52

that he didn't know, those 50 doctors

28:55

didn't know. They were like,

28:57

hey, you look cool. You

28:59

look strong, and it might

29:02

cure tuberculosis. We don't know.

29:05

You gotta switch to Marlboro. Have you

29:07

tried whiskey? It's gonna make your babies

29:09

lighter. Yeah, but like a doctor that

29:12

actually is like clearly driving

29:14

you into a sickness?

29:17

It's like, what do they call those people?

29:19

What is that thing where, like a mother?

29:22

Yeah, exactly. Munch housings by proxy. Exactly, that's

29:24

a bit of what I'm picking up on.

29:27

At least what she's saying she

29:29

thinks is happening. I don't

29:31

think that she believes that these therapists

29:34

or some of them are

29:36

actually trying to help.

29:39

I think that she

29:41

believes that they are

29:43

intentionally. Malicious. Trying,

29:46

well, just trying to keep

29:48

them coming to therapy,

29:51

coming back, relying on the therapist, and

29:53

it's probably the fucking therapist that needs

29:55

to go to therapy. That's what

29:57

I'm hearing from. Or... Be

30:00

disbarred. Discredited in. Ah

30:03

yeah, I live. There's.

30:06

So many therapists are akin to a

30:08

cult leader in a way where people

30:10

come to them very at the lowest

30:13

point and they need your help and

30:15

your personal position of authority. Cm So

30:17

they they get. A

30:19

for therapist get affirmed the

30:21

a gratification. From. These.

30:24

People that have bad issues.

30:27

That may give me an

30:29

Lgbt is Lgbtq I a

30:32

to as plus why one

30:34

as what is too. So.

30:38

Limited Middle East. Break it

30:40

down? Yeah. Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual,

30:43

Trans. Queer. Intersects.

30:47

Ah, and A is a

30:49

sexual. To. As which means

30:51

to spare. And plus because they they

30:53

haven't had enough yet. Okay,

30:56

Lesbians and gays are as.

30:59

As our Allah I don't mean

31:01

a laugh but I'm to try

31:03

to catch up as you're telling

31:05

me and like that to me

31:07

initially sounded absurd. I don't I

31:09

don't fully understand that zones. it's

31:11

it's it's as I way rod

31:13

as saying black people are all

31:15

the same Lgbtq Lgbtq a plus

31:17

are not have the same but

31:19

he bought same all why people

31:21

are not a citizen. We are

31:23

not these groups that have similar.

31:27

Goals for Outcomes: Lesbians,

31:30

Are. Often at odds of

31:32

gays, Bisexuals are just. A

31:35

bite out day later their

31:37

day essentially here at Dulles

31:39

say the same subtracted people

31:41

that also artisans losing their.

31:44

Respective. Other or where

31:46

which is just like whoever wants to

31:48

be. A bit

31:50

different. Pay your nose black would still.

31:53

Like. They saw us. they they're not queer eye that.

31:56

I'm a bit weird, you know where? Such.

31:58

As a surprise visits. Dominant:

32:00

You're a big queer. Did. It.

32:03

Would you just back the fuck up?

32:05

Why mean on thing in in like

32:07

the classy nineteen twenties like air how

32:09

we're. So. Our homes

32:11

economy is diseases odd. That's

32:14

a that's a queer. Printers.

32:16

Asexual who are like I want no

32:18

part of this. Sexual.

32:21

At this avast sex, this whole thing is

32:23

about sex. And. There's to

32:25

Us Plus which is is then is in the

32:27

nineties by of. A. Merely

32:30

Indian woman with a shit they

32:32

must adjust. Added this though. Why

32:34

was invented the nineties? Ah

32:37

it's is. It's last year's is coming

32:39

to prominence but to as plus or

32:41

to us is to spirit. It talks

32:43

about the Indians. Have

32:45

any American here? had a bit

32:47

more of a fluid nature to

32:49

their sex. evocative body. Whatever Spine

32:51

know care? Who cares? Nobody cares.

32:54

You don't need a group. That's.

32:56

That's what the to as spirit I

32:59

have male and female my body lions

33:01

and to have of retired party and

33:03

hey a fuck so so how do

33:05

you even announced that you like just

33:07

so you know my pronouns had to

33:09

as plus. Yeah.

33:12

That's when they're when says or does party members

33:14

Some. Of the Labour party, we

33:16

are here. Are. No. Food.

33:19

Or maybe through his losses. like

33:21

be the coolest. Maybe. Get

33:24

to a party idealized his party's lame

33:26

or with us and to as Blasio

33:28

and is so Mirza Yellow where he

33:30

and then just Iraq Iran. Yeah,

33:33

stages is allowed. Pull out a

33:35

sick bag and you dislike of

33:37

whoa dude what kind of medicine

33:39

patches that? ah. Like

33:41

the ready for the Dnc ready your

33:43

life of me Like You know what?

33:46

S to plus for president a

33:49

man there we go. Who's

33:51

that? Who's that? Is that a

33:53

guy? Over there, up to

33:55

the cake stand for thirty seconds and

33:58

now. There's us. That's

34:00

us. Plus the. Would.

34:02

You the is like it could like a

34:04

kind of law. A bit. a bit of

34:06

a easy band name from like the nineties

34:08

boy band members. plus it's called like our

34:11

seventy one. Like

34:13

you know who they are, one

34:15

of the jam but yes yes

34:17

to any rate slows area right?

34:19

Oh so that's a white way.

34:21

it's it's it's so why it's

34:23

such a white. saying it it

34:25

all sounds my dad's he this

34:27

whole Lgbtq thing sounds like i'm

34:29

really sad white saying even the

34:31

woke thing does. And on the

34:33

flags as Black Lives Matter. And

34:36

I'm just like whoever made this

34:38

is so white and annoying. The

34:40

even. The. Black lives will

34:42

be annoyed. About being associated

34:45

with this. As

34:47

you say, I like that black guy

34:49

that like. Where's. Denim

34:51

and has like Mcgregor thinning hair

34:53

line. And he drinks Miller

34:55

allies and he works in a factory and

34:57

he he talks to you about leave fixing

35:00

cars and stuff. Mike hi daddy did sit

35:02

back in the day I'm his back at

35:04

spare around the around the any to speak

35:06

up the come and bank and I hope

35:09

they do need is. The

35:11

know they'd have a dude you know they're

35:13

doing. They're just going camping these days. They.

35:15

Just like you know why you select your the bar,

35:18

you select to say some things when I'm just I'm

35:20

the own Tampa. I. Got no

35:22

time for that nonsense in the world.

35:24

And up for another that. Was. Their

35:27

hearts. And now you know who doesn't put up

35:29

with the stuff? Cat. Drama

35:31

were Hit the Ball Game Williams

35:33

that is the Ultimate The Transition

35:35

on the Joe Rogan Experience review.

35:39

I mean. Yeah. I mean,

35:41

we need that. we waffle and on. But. Got

35:43

some of these things, man. Graham.

35:46

Idea of six kids you know, protect mint.

35:49

Leaves. Onto your friends guess.

35:52

Protect. Him. Extend. A hand

35:54

and then do jujitsu. Yes, so

35:57

can't williams ah

36:00

K-Dup. Yeah. Recently

36:02

has come back into the

36:04

world of podcasting and

36:06

just kind of like making some noise. He's

36:10

been on the DL for some time.

36:12

He comes back, he does

36:14

a podcast, it blows

36:16

up massively. He even

36:19

kind of, not directly, but like

36:21

talks a little bit of shit

36:24

about Rogan's world of comedians,

36:27

but it wasn't, people made it out

36:29

to seem like that was a dig

36:31

at Rogan. It wasn't. It's

36:34

like Rogan has or has had

36:36

a few guys in his orbit

36:39

that maybe weren't honestly

36:43

like that great

36:45

of comedian. We

36:47

know what Morgan will do about that Adam Sandler. Right.

36:51

I mean look, other comedians do it. It's

36:53

like what are you doing when you're bringing

36:56

someone on the road? You're bringing someone that

36:58

maybe isn't as good as you. You bring

37:00

them on. That's reasonable. Yeah, you bring them

37:02

on. Come on, give

37:04

them a chance. And ultimately

37:07

if they just suck too too

37:09

bad, you kind of separate a

37:11

little bit from them eventually. I mean

37:13

mostly they weed themselves out, but some

37:15

people are a little bit too clueless

37:18

to do that. That's okay. And

37:20

kind of god bless them for

37:23

still staying in there and hammering

37:25

in. But you know, I think Joe has made

37:27

it clear who he thinks is

37:29

funny, because if you

37:32

are not performing at the

37:34

comedy mothership and you

37:36

are close with Joe and you have been

37:38

for some time, you're

37:41

probably not good enough to

37:43

perform that. And it says

37:46

something about the quality of the

37:48

club. And it's why I

37:50

think that club is a sacred

37:53

place. I'm not that religious,

37:55

but I think it's a sacred place.

37:57

I'll say that. It's a sacred comedy

38:00

hub It's

38:04

maybe a mecca of comedy

38:06

and you and you know Realistically you

38:09

in to all fan. It's you can't

38:11

taint it with some

38:13

shitty comedians So I think

38:16

that we I think that's what cat was talking

38:18

about, you know cat He

38:21

needs to know podcast, you know if he

38:23

is gonna start bringing other people are bringing

38:25

bringing people along Although cat

38:27

fucking pays the people that he goes

38:29

with he pays those people. Oh, yeah.

38:32

Yeah, he's I was on the route

38:34

I respect the heck out of that

38:36

guy as a working man. Mm-hmm. He

38:38

brings along people and he

38:40

pays them well Yeah, he pays them very

38:42

well white guys black guys women men Gibsies

38:46

gingers will not not your

38:48

French Okay, French. Sorry.

38:50

I was just I was

38:52

just listening some people that I was thinking about Mm-hmm.

38:56

I feel like he would take care of them though He

38:59

would you know all they are they on

39:01

his crew? I don't know. I

39:04

can't I don't know I don't like I don't

39:06

like French clowns and I think that's the only

39:08

kind of comedy they have over there right now

39:11

That's the thing. What do they even do our

39:14

friendship? What is their name a French comedian

39:16

somebody? Ooh Yeah,

39:19

I think they're all like clowns right

39:21

they're all like properly well, they're like

39:23

mimes You know,

39:25

they're my men You

39:28

know Eddie is odd

39:30

does I think speak French and

39:32

does his act in France? But

39:35

that's the most that I for him. Yeah,

39:38

all wise. He's Probably

39:40

because he started the whole like cross-ethnic thing He's

39:43

very funny dude. Very funny.

39:45

I actually saw him in New Mexico. He

39:47

was brilliant genius. He was

39:50

good genius Yeah, I recently saw Anthony

39:52

Jesel Nick. Oh How was that? He

39:56

be honest. Oh did him he phoned it in

39:58

you think so he didn't look He was

40:01

like, I don't give a fuck, I'm too cool for this. The

40:04

gal he had on before him though killed it.

40:06

I don't give a fuck. No shit, really? He

40:09

killed it. Funny lady, yeah, believe

40:11

it or not. Love that. Love

40:14

that. But somehow- I'm a Jeselnek

40:16

fan, but he was not controversial.

40:18

He was- What

40:20

was his thing? What did it sound like? It

40:23

was shmarmy. It was a little bit, mmm.

40:28

I can't even explain it except for I had like

40:30

a- aha once. Oh

40:32

no. Aha. Every- every- all of it just-

40:34

Aha. Coming. You

40:37

can see them coming. I don't want- I don't- this is not

40:40

about him, but- Oh, no,

40:42

I get it. But this is a good review

40:44

and be honest. It's like, look,

40:47

there's a lot of elements to this, right? It

40:49

could be one bad show. On

40:51

those shows, it's like you can't hold that

40:53

against comedians. You just cannot. Also,

40:56

some comedians- Maybe he had to act a

40:58

certain way. Some comedians kind of, you

41:00

know, eventually they get

41:02

into their own shtick too much

41:05

and we've seen it coming. I mean,

41:07

he has- dude, with all fairness, the

41:09

Jeselnek, he was the person that made

41:11

me want to try stand up for

41:13

the first time. He was that good.

41:15

I listened to him back in 2014.

41:17

His jokes. Yeah, his jokes. And I

41:20

was loving it. And it's insane. It's

41:22

insane. And that's

41:24

a bit of an issue. If

41:26

his only thing is like

41:28

really dark jokes that take

41:31

a left turn after 30 seconds and

41:35

it's the only way he knows how to do it,

41:37

then yeah, he can be stuck

41:39

in his own thing with his

41:42

own smugness, dude. I don't know.

41:45

There's a bit

41:47

of the grinding.

41:52

He's so like he's grinding. I don't

41:54

think he's- he loves it. Oh,

41:57

really hammering it in. Yeah.

42:00

Well, in the same way, back to Kat,

42:02

right? He's, he's been at the, the

42:05

height of comedy. Like, let's

42:07

be fair. I mean, he was, he

42:09

was, uh, you know, Pimp

42:12

Juice. What's his, what's his, what's his state? Yeah.

42:15

Yeah. I mean, you know, Kevin

42:17

Hart got as big at

42:20

comedy as you could, and then just kind

42:22

of like made a left turn and went

42:24

into movies and to be fair, his stand

42:26

up has not been as

42:28

strong, you know? Still good enough if

42:30

you're a Kevin Hart fan, but like

42:33

nothing as strong as it was. It's

42:35

like, you're either on that guy or you're

42:37

not. He's the

42:40

Taylor Swift of the, of black comedians.

42:43

Oh, that's a, that's a statement,

42:45

dude. It's like they,

42:47

I'm not saying I don't agree, but

42:49

it's, it's like specific. You

42:51

sign up for it to be a fan

42:54

and you're a fan. They

42:56

crank out albums and like, well, this

42:58

one's good, you know? Or this, but

43:00

sounds good. Yeah. Yeah. No, I see

43:02

what you're saying for sure. Yeah.

43:04

Yeah. Cat Williams, you know, is

43:06

not selling out ever. Like

43:09

he's not selling out to get in movies.

43:11

It's not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he also

43:13

did a lot of crack and then there

43:15

was some like videos of him at a

43:17

Walmart, like getting in fights with people. It's

43:19

like, you can't be a complete fucking little,

43:21

allegedly. Yeah.

43:23

But I've, I've heard pretty firsthand that

43:26

you got in like a fist fight

43:28

at the comedy store over nothing, you

43:30

know? I mean, he was just like

43:33

showing up places, doing sets and getting

43:35

in fights. That's not, that's

43:38

not going to work out. That's unhinged,

43:40

isn't it? Well, it's a little excited,

43:42

you know, like you're on a constant mission

43:45

every day. It's like, Hey, I

43:47

mean, let's get back to him reading how many books

43:49

a week? 20 books a week. What did

43:51

he say? Read? Was

43:54

that what he thought of Rogan? Yeah. Yeah.

43:57

He was talking about going to the library and

43:59

they only. give you 20 books and he like

44:01

maxes them out, reads them all, he's all about

44:03

reading and he loves reading and it's all the

44:06

books. I'm not saying he's

44:08

not telling the truth, but

44:10

that's very unusual.

44:13

And also, if you were reading that

44:15

many books, is it that important to

44:18

tell people that you are reading that many books?

44:22

Now, I'm going to contradict

44:24

myself here because I do like to read.

44:29

And I am obviously telling everyone that

44:31

listens to me on this podcast right now

44:33

that I like reading and

44:35

I'll read multiple books. I should read.

44:37

I can read. Right, right. Don't

44:40

look at me like that. But I like to

44:42

carve out time. I love to have a book

44:44

list. I love to read. But

44:46

then I also... Open book

44:49

club kind of guy? Yeah, I don't really... I don't

44:51

talk about it with my wife. I'm

44:53

not like, hey babe, I just finished

44:55

like four books or I'm like tell...

44:57

Unless there's something in a book that is

45:00

like important to the conversation that I'm

45:03

having. So are you saying he's

45:05

like kind of like defensively stating that or like...

45:08

I'm not saying defensively. I'm saying

45:10

that there might be an agenda

45:12

behind somebody telling you how much

45:15

they've read. Like,

45:17

it kind of is with what I just

45:19

said. In fact, that definitely is. It's

45:22

like I'm saying that I do it, but

45:24

then I was giving the example that I don't really talk

45:26

about it with other people. Yet

45:29

I sometimes have a bit of

45:31

an urge to do it. You

45:34

know? There's like something

45:36

showy offy about that. To

45:39

have read a book means

45:42

you care about a subject and

45:45

it means you're spending hours on

45:49

a topic. You're not just

45:51

Googling a soundbite. Yeah, so

45:53

to read is very, very important. To

45:56

get to the heart of a matter. No, no,

45:58

of course. And I think it's... great

46:00

that he reads a lot and that

46:02

he's doing it. I don't know why

46:04

he needs to explain

46:07

to Rogan that he reads at

46:09

a rate that I've basically

46:12

never heard another human being

46:14

has read

46:18

that. And also

46:21

most of the things that he really

46:23

got excited about like the pyramids are

46:26

a power plant, it's like dude you're

46:28

not reading that in a book we've

46:30

all seen that YouTube video. So are

46:33

you just like getting really high

46:35

and watching fucking wacky YouTube videos

46:38

or what? Also

46:41

the pyramids might be a power plant,

46:43

I'm into it. It's

46:45

gotta be something it's not a

46:47

tomb. I

46:50

wish we had Grandma Heineck on

46:52

every week. Yeah come on, Grand.

46:55

He busted down. Yeah.

46:58

I wonder if I wonder if I wonder

47:00

if Cass read any Grandma Hancock. That would

47:02

turn my world around. No doubt. No

47:04

doubt. I'm just saying there's

47:06

some psychology there. Like listen, he's

47:09

an incredibly fucking funny

47:11

dude. I can't wait for

47:13

his next special. I can't wait for his next

47:15

thing that he's doing. Like he

47:17

had to do in Rogan and

47:19

doing that other podcast that really

47:21

blew him up recently. It's like

47:24

Club Shay Shay? Yeah yeah. And

47:27

I don't mean to be disrespectful by like

47:29

forgetting the name of that but you know sometimes

47:31

I listen to too many goddamn podcasts but

47:33

that's a good show. That guy is a

47:35

good interviewer. I like the setup

47:37

of it. I like how different it is

47:39

from like other pods I listen to. Dude

47:41

it is yeah it kind of is. They

47:43

got the whiskey, they got the fireplace, like

47:45

it's just like a setup. You know? And it

47:48

also is like... That's our setup here in

47:51

a few months. Yeah I feel

47:53

like they're 10 minutes away from playing

47:55

you know pickup

47:57

basketball as well. They've

47:59

just... You know, they got a tracksuit

48:01

on, they're like ready to go. You

48:03

know? Is it because they're black at them? Well,

48:06

you know they can throw it down. You

48:10

know what? You

48:12

know who that guy is, Shannon Sharpe? No,

48:15

who is he? Basketball player?

48:18

No, he's a football player. He used

48:20

to play for the Denver Broncos. Yeah, he was

48:22

a man who was watching football. Oh, there we

48:24

go. Dude, I'm English. I don't

48:26

know fuck all about any US sport. So

48:28

that's not a racist thing. Which

48:31

you know when someone says something like that, that

48:34

they're implying that it might be. Whoops.

48:37

Damn it. Well, we got

48:39

canceled, Pete. It's been a good run. No,

48:43

I just didn't know what he did. I

48:46

didn't know what he did. He looked like a sporty guy, dude. That

48:49

guy looks sporty. I

48:51

was into it. He isn't trapped

48:53

by the ideology of the left as well. Oh,

48:55

he is? Well, he was a good... I thought

48:57

he was a good interviewer. I thought he

48:59

was good on that podcast. I don't

49:01

think so. Okay. Well, we

49:04

disagree, I guess. I guess

49:06

maybe. Not in my land. You get out. You

49:08

get out of my house. You can get your back and

49:10

you get out. But either way, like

49:12

Kat has made a point

49:15

doing this and it's

49:18

like made him like he's kind

49:22

of out there again now. And

49:24

I think this is going to lead to,

49:27

who knows, something. Like

49:30

he wasn't promoting anything. He's not like, oh, I've

49:32

got a tour. I've got a special. I got

49:34

whatever. The only thing was

49:36

when Rogan was like, hey, come perform in

49:38

my club. And he's like,

49:40

I'm an arena act. And

49:42

I'm like, okay, arena. Yeah, you

49:44

are. But you could also perform

49:46

at the club. I feel like that was

49:48

a missed opportunity. I

49:51

think that's what you can only do

49:53

arenas now. That's a shame. Like

49:55

go up some far. Is that a little bit of

49:57

arrogance? Of Course it was.

50:00

Of course it was a summary and slave

50:02

why not check out the new club? You

50:05

know you just came on the guys podcast.

50:07

Why not just. Go. Over have

50:09

some fun, meet some new comedians,

50:11

see who the up and commissar

50:14

like connect to what's going on,

50:16

like find out if people laugh

50:18

yeah and remind yourself what it's

50:20

like to play in like a

50:22

small spot again. Get.

50:25

Sweaty, you know? go the don't work out

50:27

a know a room with the two hundred

50:29

people in us. I mean. It

50:32

sounds spousal for those guys. Some

50:34

movement on the get close like

50:36

but also you when you're doing

50:38

big acts. They. Just make noise

50:40

when you're onstage. You're not gonna argue

50:43

with an arena. summers,

50:45

Jokes says this or since

50:47

he he get you get

50:49

close to your audience. And.

50:53

You might find out that you're not as funny as you thought

50:55

you were. You. Know you really need

50:58

to. Hone that is, and I

51:00

have no idea how that works. Yeah,

51:02

because I'm afraid to even try. While.

51:05

Most villa and it's terrifying so make

51:07

sense. but I would be down with

51:09

Catlin just even does talking about life

51:11

only. Haven't even only the need to

51:14

him to like make jokes, he just

51:16

says stuff and were that I appreciate.

51:18

And he is is thing on on

51:21

with with Shannon Sharpe. That.

51:23

I'm. Is exposing another about

51:25

south that? that's. Helpful

51:27

for me, Bird. To list

51:29

of those people talk is helpful for me to.

51:32

Well. It's been for me, And. How are? we?

51:34

don't know who operas about? We don't know what.

51:38

What was at how Kevin Hart came up? Sounds

51:40

like she's an industry plant. with that totally I've

51:42

I was like I get that. Out

51:45

of and. He does not

51:47

for shit is comedy. The

51:50

he doesn't like my guys know. Yeas.

51:53

Mad at Law. I think he's mad

51:55

because that guy now is very worth

51:57

ten times as much as he is.

52:00

And cat thinks he's funnier which

52:02

he probably has look up bar

52:04

Kevin Hart's Our Network or even

52:06

ruined my guess five hundred million.

52:10

Probably. Get some of shows

52:12

such as Aggressive as Look The though they

52:14

had failed to. See. That

52:16

nine hundred million dollars a day

52:19

or haven't quite broken over. But

52:23

how does that succeeded? valued? Forfeit

52:26

the current as. Heart has

52:28

four fifty Four fifty million. K.

52:32

The. Sick the cat. What

52:36

about know at next? let's look up the

52:38

rock. Oh, he's

52:40

a billion is any giving. So. We've.

52:43

Already looked him up once that we did

52:45

his. And we did. His

52:47

net worth are now cats. Fifteen million. Oh.

52:51

Yes, Oh no wonder he so pissed

52:53

off. He's. Like at some

52:55

place ugly in Spain, the world

52:57

of oh hold on the hilarious.

53:00

Comedian also claimed he has turned down

53:02

over two hundred million dollars throughout his

53:04

career. Okay, babbling at us, that's the

53:06

kind of thing and possibly broke person

53:09

would say about. Who

53:11

I believe that because he keys Attila He's

53:13

other thing in the in in him that

53:15

I have and it it's I hate for

53:18

and justice and I'm not going to put

53:20

address on and I'm not going to cover

53:22

myself. Every one of these

53:24

guys. I. Say what he says

53:26

the say like it as they are try to put. Black.

53:29

Men and dresses. right?

53:32

Get along with that thing you'll

53:34

get. you'll get the contacts rather

53:36

keep it isn't that is like

53:38

potentially acting on doing whatever like

53:41

as look. The only the only

53:43

problem with this the didn't. Resonate

53:46

with me at all is I'm like,

53:48

okay, So. See.

53:50

Was doing comedy stand up,

53:53

With. the guys that are now

53:55

worth half a billion dollars he's not

53:58

even close to that He probably

54:00

wasn't giving as many opportunities and yeah, maybe

54:02

he was arrogant at times and said no

54:04

to something. Hard to work with. But these

54:07

guys said, yeah, I'll do it.

54:10

And then he's like, oh, it's easy to be

54:12

a sellout. But really,

54:14

he's just like kind of mad at himself

54:17

for, you know, turning

54:19

down things and like, you know, burning

54:21

some bridges and all the rest of

54:23

it. And then ultimately can

54:25

say, oh yeah, they went down that,

54:28

you know, that complete

54:30

path of just whatever

54:33

it is, Illuminati or Epstein Island.

54:35

Or like you go as far

54:37

with it you want with it.

54:40

It's like, that's how you get to half a

54:42

billion. It's like, well, maybe dude, you

54:44

know, occasionally smoking crack and

54:47

going to Walmart again and fights is

54:49

like... Getting a punch up with some

54:51

fucking 16 year old kid. Yeah. Is

54:53

like not going to win you, you know,

54:56

a freaking sweet

54:59

tequila sponsorship. That's

55:03

valid. That's a valid. However,

55:08

does that take anything away from a stand up?

55:10

No. Stand up's dope.

55:12

It's very, very funny. He's

55:14

like been ridiculously funny

55:18

to the point where he's funny.

55:21

He's something else, dude. You

55:23

could tell he's smart. When I'm

55:25

talking to somebody, I get so annoyed

55:27

if they had to say, yeah, I heard that already. Oh,

55:32

yeah, no, yeah, yeah, you know, you don't know. You

55:36

don't know what I know. It's

55:38

a little hard to conversate. Joe was putting it all

55:40

out there being trying to be very nice. Yeah,

55:42

he was. I think they're going well. And

55:45

I think that, you

55:47

know, Joe was keen to meet him

55:49

and kind of didn't want to

55:51

have any beef coming up. I think he

55:53

respects Kat. I think a lot of people

55:55

do. Kat has amazing jokes. I do. And

55:58

after that podcast, there was like... hey there

56:00

were more things that need to be talked

56:04

about and discussed. I mean

56:07

no doubt, fascinating dude.

56:09

He almost like has a

56:11

rhythmic hypnotic way of speaking

56:14

that like pulls you in. But you

56:16

know, ultimate... I've always liked

56:18

him. Yeah, yeah, and I like him too

56:20

but ultimately over those three hours, you break

56:22

down what was really being said. And

56:25

there was a lot of like running

56:28

in circles, honestly. It

56:31

was like his Joe's

56:33

other more wandering

56:35

podcast. Yeah. Or about the

56:38

pyramids or like ancient history.

56:40

It's like hey man, it

56:43

all comes back to the

56:45

central point of the aliens

56:47

and feeling and

56:49

love and religion and God

56:52

is real and here

56:54

we all are in the sacred space.

56:56

It was like that kind of dialogue.

56:59

It had that every bit of it was... Cat

57:02

was really reserved. He was kind of like on

57:04

his back foot the whole time. And

57:08

maybe because him and Joe are just

57:10

totally different humans and

57:12

this like didn't like really vibe. It was

57:14

the first meeting, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well,

57:18

he wasn't as energized as he was on the

57:20

football guy's show. I

57:23

mean, he was trying

57:25

to like redefine, you know, the

57:28

universe on that one. He was like, okay,

57:30

I'm here. Fuck you. This is how it

57:32

is. This is what I believe. He was

57:34

jump like almost jumping up and down on

57:36

the couch drinking tequila

57:38

or like whiskey. I think it's all

57:40

what deaths of Rodo on the rocks

57:42

or energy or something. Yeah,

57:45

he was way more chill on Rodo. Honestly, let's

57:47

just be honest. What?

57:50

Cat was comfortable with

57:52

Shannon Sharp, you know, their brothers. They

57:55

have common cultures and

57:58

interests. animated

58:01

because he was dissing the dirt on all

58:04

the shit that he fucking knew about Yeah,

58:07

that has an inside truck. Yeah, they know

58:09

I believe I believe it to be true

58:11

He didn't he didn't do any of that

58:13

on Rogan and you know what? He didn't

58:15

need to do any of that on Rogan

58:18

No, no Okay And and

58:20

let me tell you this if one thing

58:22

he did that was really interesting is he

58:24

like he kind of met the

58:27

Rogan Team or

58:30

the Rogan audience at its

58:32

door. Yeah, because he talked

58:34

about aliens. He talked about pyramids

58:36

He got really fucking stoned. He

58:38

got Rogan almost too stoned Like

58:41

he did everything that you would want

58:43

to do on a Rogan podcast It's

58:46

like, you know what? I wish

58:48

fuck it didn't soak weed. I

58:50

wish like a lot of people did so

58:53

weeds on that cast don't

58:56

because It cuts

58:58

me off linguistically Linguistic but

59:01

it cuts me off in my mouth. I Think

59:03

we could have had a different more animated cat

59:06

and Joe if they were just just

59:08

on whiskey's or something Maybe

59:10

but you know what that we

59:12

don't get to choose dude We don't like

59:14

we're here's the thing obviously they're there to

59:17

entertain. That's why they do the show That's

59:19

why a podcast exists of why people come

59:21

on But Rogan

59:23

makes it very clear. Hey, I

59:26

want to enjoy this too gotcha

59:29

and the way I can enjoy this the most is

59:31

if Fucking post

59:33

Malone comes on wants to do mushrooms

59:35

and then we get all spacey. We're

59:38

gonna fucking do it Now

59:40

is this the best round for

59:42

a conversation? Maybe not

59:45

but also for some do you want

59:47

me to keep doing this forever? Or

59:50

do you want me to be like, you know what? I'm

59:52

only gonna do one a week because

59:54

I want to do other shit No,

59:57

or phone it in. Yeah, exactly. That's not

59:59

our job Let this fucking

1:00:01

guy do it however he wants to

1:00:03

do it and if that

1:00:06

means that like sometimes

1:00:08

he just It

1:00:10

goes where it goes. It's like

1:00:12

that's what it's gonna be. You

1:00:14

can't script the universe you fucking

1:00:16

nerds Saying

1:00:19

that saying that all right well

1:00:21

God bless him and God

1:00:23

bless America On

1:00:26

God bless America yeah and every other country come

1:00:29

on why not yeah I was thinking about that earlier because the

1:00:31

flag I have Outside

1:00:33

my house like rubs on on

1:00:36

the the like sandy

1:00:38

roof Bit oh,

1:00:40

it's getting tattered dude. He got

1:00:43

tattered and supposedly that's like disrespectful

1:00:46

You have you have to eat that flop. You got

1:00:48

it. Why sold the That you saw the tips. Yeah.

1:00:50

Yeah. Yeah, no it's very disrespectful And

1:00:55

I'm like fuck I got a lower the mount

1:00:57

so it doesn't blow up on the roof and

1:01:00

get ripped on sandpaper I don't want

1:01:02

to be disrespectful to America love it not not in your

1:01:04

neck or the woods You got to keep that shit. Yeah,

1:01:06

I'm not