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My name is Adam joined By

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Peter. How are you Pete?

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Hello, everybody? I'm good Adam. How are

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you? Oh, yeah doing good, man Doing

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good trying to stay hydrated today Mmm,

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I'm young did a long solo

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session wrecked me fizzy fizzy water.

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Mmm Pellegrino bro

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only the best it's

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a bottle that's been in my fridge for probably

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a year To

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water after whiskey I guess right do

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what you've just decided to

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switch to water You

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know instead of having a whiskey during the party.

1:15

Yeah, why got just tomorrow? So if

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I did a whiskey now or a few I'd be

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Jujitsu would be a nightmare tomorrow, and

1:22

I would just get squashed and then I would feel sad and

1:25

I know I drive home Feeling

1:28

shame you can't take it out

1:30

on your wife after that It's

1:33

your fault yeah And

1:37

if you have one you have ten and Well,

1:41

it's easy during the pod to kind of have

1:43

some fun and get into it. You know what

1:45

I mean? And yes, it's a good

1:48

time for it. It's You

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know it's my time with you. Yeah, we're

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just talking shit having a whiskey So

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I'm having a beverage myself so cheers

1:57

to your water with my There

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we go. Oh, white claw, you classy

2:02

bitch. It is amazing how popular

2:05

that drink is. I mean,

2:07

the money that they make. If someone had come

2:09

to me before they, not that I know shit

2:11

about investing or what the next big idea is,

2:14

but somebody had come to me and said, okay,

2:17

remember beer? Yeah, that is

2:20

not going to be cool soon. And

2:22

everyone's going to be drinking basically bubbly

2:24

water that's alcoholic. Even the dudes,

2:26

I would say, I don't

2:28

think so bro. That's a stupid

2:31

idea. Well, the I'm pissed because

2:33

for years in the Grand Canyon, we

2:35

were boating and working for the government

2:38

researching fish. On

2:41

our off time, we were drinking fizzy

2:43

water with vodka. Now you

2:45

just slam a fizzy water down, you pop the

2:47

top, it all foams out

2:50

and what comes out you refill with

2:52

vodka. It's called a mommy water. Oh.

2:55

And we were drinking these things forever down

2:57

there. And then boom, missed

2:59

out on that wave. There we go. Although we

3:01

invented it. We invented it. I guess. No, you

3:03

didn't really. I mean, it was basically, it's just

3:06

basically like a vodka soda. Yeah,

3:08

but it's in the can. So that's

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true. So they put a vodka soda in a can and

3:13

then they gave it different flavors and

3:15

they've made billions. It's like no

3:17

one even really invented it. They

3:19

repackaged something and squillions

3:22

of those. I guess that

3:24

what me saying that is like someone saying they

3:26

invented drinking water out of a bottle. That's

3:29

true. They bottled water. So yeah. That's

3:31

true. I don't know about investing either,

3:33

do I? We don't know. We don't

3:35

know. All right. Who we got on Rogan

3:38

this week. We got Christopher Dunn, an

3:41

engineer that basically

3:43

took a look at the pyramids and went, what's

3:46

going on over here? Like

3:48

many people have, but he did it with

3:50

engineering brains. So he gave

3:53

a bit of a breakdown, but then good old

3:55

Tulsi came on. Nice

3:57

to see Tulsi back. She's the best. She's

4:00

she's a She's a

4:02

hottie like to see well She's a

4:04

guy like to see in more than one situation But she's also

4:06

a gal that I'd like to see in

4:09

government in a higher government seat. There

4:11

we go There we go. Yeah,

4:13

she's a badass It

4:15

would be interesting if Trump

4:18

has her run. I wonder if

4:20

that's worth doing. I

4:22

don't know what that looks like For

4:25

Trump, I think I'd be a great idea if you

4:27

think you would upset Republicans because they'd be like she's

4:29

not a Democrat. I Hope

4:31

it wouldn't because it seems like she just is

4:34

kind of for the values of America Middle

4:37

America the right the military the

4:40

working class. Yeah, let's let's Start

4:43

with Tulsi then so we've got You

4:47

know, oh so the federal government

4:49

reclassifying marijuana to class three About

4:52

fucking time. I thought they'd already done

4:54

this shows what I know I'm

4:57

not on the cutting edge of law even mean. What

4:59

does that even mean? Was it? Yeah, I think

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it was class class three So,

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well not as bad you won't go to jail as long

5:11

Is it Let's

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fill up a list and see what class

5:16

one drugs are I

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Come on chat GPT go to work. I

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Don't pay 20 bucks a month for this slow

5:25

ass. All right, the DA

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schedule. Oh, it's schedule one There

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we go. Not class schedule. Well

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in England, we call them like class a class

5:34

B Sorry, I just

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messed that up my bad wrong

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country one and three and three is so

5:42

yeah heroin LSD Marijuana

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masculine MDMA Psilocybin

5:53

Yeah, so there we

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go bath salts are on the quaaludes

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why even put Aqualude on that they haven't

6:01

been around since like the 80s. I guess

6:03

keep my gosh a good

6:05

old days. Hey, Odie That seems

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a bit much schedule one all

6:10

right, so Schedule three

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I've got it here. What we got Coding

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Ketamine Anabolic steroids

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testosterone are just a few

6:22

examples Hmm you

6:25

can go to the doctor for testosterone Yeah

6:30

There you go schedule three all right

6:32

so a lot less jail time if

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you're slinging those I feel

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like I Feel like

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so five and shouldn't be on there no Coding

6:43

I mean that's pretty bad for you right

6:45

cough syrup shit coding

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will it Tylenol with coding actually is the

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The description so Tylenol with coding is

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pretty Harmless, but

6:56

coding itself is a opioid so yeah,

6:58

and I can also see Somebody

7:01

getting really messed up on some psilocybin a

7:04

lot Cheap they

7:07

could take too many and be I mean out

7:09

of the mind so that might be right. It's

7:11

on one, but it doesn't helpful

7:15

In many ways yeah, I guess it

7:17

might just be a dosage issue. I

7:19

mean if you just like accidentally Freaking

7:22

eat a few and then all of a sudden

7:24

you're driving home. It's

7:27

gonna be a tough dangerous drive potentially

7:29

I Mean it

7:31

can make crazy people crazier as well

7:33

you think so oh Yeah, you

7:36

get a guy who's Drinks

7:38

a lot does any drugs coming

7:41

to him does a fistful of

7:43

mushrooms and Goes off

7:45

as rocker. That's even yeah. It's a good

7:47

point in the mirror Hold

7:53

on hold on Lydia. I let

7:55

you lay yeah, what

7:57

Joe did talk about who is the

8:00

guy that wrote the book, Alex

8:02

Berenson, I think. Yeah,

8:04

he did like the Twitter book, but also

8:07

one about, you know, the dangers of marijuana

8:09

and taking it at a

8:11

sensible time, you know, when

8:13

your brain is kind of developed. And I

8:15

mean, that's a tough one to get

8:18

kids to understand, especially high schoolers. I

8:21

mean, they're trying to explore and not

8:23

listen to parents. So friends

8:25

are doing it. They might get into it. But

8:29

yeah, I mean, I

8:31

think I think it's

8:33

still pro marijuana to

8:35

say it can be good

8:37

for you. It has a place to if

8:39

you're mentally stable enough

8:42

and you know, your brain is

8:44

developed and it's better than alcohol.

8:47

But as a teenager, it might make

8:49

you super fucking lazy and paranoid

8:52

or something potentially

8:55

schizophrenic. Yeah,

8:57

it exacerbates all that. So but anyways, I'm

8:59

for what they're up to. And I'm glad

9:01

they did that, even though it's backed by

9:04

big money. It's always

9:06

crazy. I mean, Joe's brought it up so many

9:08

times that whole reefer madness

9:10

video and the propaganda that went

9:12

into it. And what

9:15

was his name? William Hurst Seymour

9:19

Hurd. Really? Randolph Hurd. Randall

9:21

Hurd. Yeah. So

9:24

so he, you know, he's the guy

9:26

that owned the paper mills and was like,

9:28

fuck this hemp bullshit. And just, I

9:31

mean, that's power, dude. I

9:33

mean, that's when newspaper propaganda was must

9:35

have been at his peak. It's

9:39

the social media of its day. It's a change

9:41

in the laws. Like

9:43

imagine what a different world it would have been

9:45

if he had gone into hemp farming, he

9:48

would have somehow outlawed trees, you'd have been like,

9:50

they just fall on people.

9:54

And there's more down, there's badges up there, burn

9:57

them down. And then there would have been hemp

9:59

farms. everywhere and he would have.

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so we'll see if it gets reclassified you

11:47

know and if it does is it just

11:49

one of those things that it's like okay

11:51

it is for now until someone else gets

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11:55

ban it I

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kind of felt like with the way you states

12:00

are going and how much money they're making from

12:03

marijuana through taxes that, I mean a

12:05

lot of states are on board, but

12:08

the fact that there's still this kind

12:10

of push. I mean

12:12

it's recreationally legal in

12:15

multiple states. We're

12:17

in the tens, maybe twenties. I

12:19

don't know exactly. That's a lot. All

12:21

the western ones. Right. So

12:24

that's a time. It's the usual. Yet

12:26

federally it's still schedule one. It's

12:30

just absurd. It doesn't make

12:32

any sense. Tolsy was saying that you

12:35

could have your CBD beverage and

12:38

if a federal officer saw that

12:40

they could confiscate it and they could

12:42

get you for everything on

12:45

that law. So even though it's

12:47

sold here, if a

12:49

game warden or FBI agent or somebody

12:51

wanted to get me DEA, ATF, they

12:54

could. With CBD? That's

12:57

what she was saying. I don't

12:59

know if CBD is. Or maybe

13:02

it's THC, but she said whatever she was

13:04

saying, it's like, yes, laws

13:06

exist in the states, federally you

13:08

can get really the book

13:10

thrown at you. Wow. From what

13:13

I heard, from what I remembered. Well, Rogan

13:15

even has a CBD drink. So

13:17

I think that's what she was talking about. Yeah. Well,

13:20

this is what I think is hilarious

13:22

about the whole thing. It's like Rogan

13:24

will smoke weed on his podcast and

13:26

it's not legal in Texas and everyone

13:29

knows he's in Texas. And he's

13:31

like, I don't give a fuck. Shut up.

13:34

You have to get to Rogan. You've got to go

13:36

through four layers of goons. Navy

13:38

Seals. Of big bad

13:41

men. Good luck. Dude,

13:43

anyone that would, if

13:45

anyone that could arrest or be

13:47

sent to arrest Rogan probably listens

13:50

to Rogan. So they would, they

13:52

wouldn't do it. They'd

13:54

be like, I'm not doing it. I'm not being the guy. Not

13:57

those liberal ass ATS agents. I

14:00

was gonna get blind. Come on.

14:02

Come on, guys. Don't

14:05

come after us, please. We don't have any money. No, we don't. All

14:07

right, TikTok ban. Let's go over it. I've

14:11

never used TikTok. People send me stuff, and then

14:13

I sometimes click the link thinking that

14:15

I can at least see the video, but then you

14:17

gotta download the fucking app, and I never have, I

14:19

don't care. But

14:22

I know it is very addictive. And

14:26

they're looking to ban it, unless

14:30

China sells a big

14:32

chunk of it or something to an American

14:35

company, blah, blah, blah. In

14:38

180 days. Well, here's the

14:40

bit that gets me. I'm not

14:42

into China

14:45

having all this spying capability

14:47

over us. Obviously, it's a foreign

14:49

nation. I

14:54

don't want them being able to collect

14:56

all this information and potentially also doing

15:00

some sort of mass frickin'

15:02

hypnosis propaganda bullshit with us, which they

15:04

could do, right? If they own that

15:06

company and the algorithms, they could fuck

15:08

us up. We've

15:10

been doing that. Yeah. However, the

15:13

fact that the other social media companies

15:15

are really excited about this, and

15:18

because it's competition,

15:21

ultimately, for them, that's

15:26

somewhat alarming because, again, Elon

15:31

is the only guy saying this is fucked

15:33

up. It's like people are

15:35

getting your information anyway. I

15:38

don't think that Elon would even be, is

15:41

super pumped about China being able to get all

15:43

this information, but he's like, if they can ban

15:46

this social media, the

15:48

government will eventually be able to ban any

15:50

that they don't like. It's

15:53

kind of like that type of slippery

15:55

slope. So is it that the

15:57

other social media companies have not really thought about

15:59

this? I mean, we know

16:02

Facebook and Instagram, same company,

16:05

they've been in cahoots

16:07

with our government for some time. They've

16:10

been working with the Biden

16:12

administration to

16:14

hide the Hunter Biden laptop

16:16

stuff under the guise

16:18

of it being Russian propaganda, which turned out

16:20

it wasn't. It was a legit laptop with

16:22

a bunch of fucked up shit on it.

16:27

So yeah, they've been playing by the rules,

16:29

so they're working well with them now, but

16:32

until how long? It's

16:34

like, is this ultimately a

16:36

freedom of speech type of

16:39

question in

16:42

a sense? And that's

16:44

what Tulsi was saying. And

16:46

if we've got to draw our lines in the

16:48

sand about certain things as

16:51

citizens, and I guess freedom of speech is a big

16:53

one for the United States, we like

16:55

it. Maybe we should try to

16:57

preserve it. Yes, because

16:59

most countries haven't. And

17:02

I think it's because it's easy to erode.

17:04

It's really easy to misrepresent.

17:08

That's how most countries have eroded it. They're

17:10

like, oh, hate speech, get rid of it.

17:12

Nobody wants to say mean things. Well,

17:14

who's deciding what's mean and what's not

17:16

and what's just talking? And

17:19

before you know it, no one can say anything. And you

17:21

go to jail for tweeting. And then it's

17:23

like, all right, well, hold on a second. And

17:28

if- Like

17:30

in Scotland and the UK in general? I

17:32

believe that we've talked about this quite a

17:34

bit. But Scotland,

17:36

remember Braveheart when Mel Gibson was shouting freedom?

17:41

Yeah. Doesn't seem like it's up there

17:43

anymore. That would be now

17:45

considered a macroaggression, followed

17:48

by violence. Well,

17:50

he did like slash an

17:52

Englishman across the face, I think. That's it. Right after he

17:54

said it. That's why it would be. Because

17:57

we're like, that's violence. And you're like, no, no, no.

18:00

I just wanted to be free and

18:02

they're like, hmm, no, I think you're

18:04

gonna kill an Englishman right after that.

18:06

I saw it in a movie. So

18:09

you go there. There's even a child's rhyme about it probably.

18:11

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I gotta

18:13

go back and watch that movie. Classic. But

18:16

yeah, we gotta be careful about the

18:21

type of government control that can just come

18:23

in. I mean, look, let's be fair. They

18:25

wanna control everything. They would

18:27

love that. People

18:29

just want all the power and they're sure they

18:31

get it right. They're

18:33

like, if it's in my hands and I have

18:35

ultimate power, I'm sure it'd just be a much

18:37

safer, happier place. And then I'm just

18:39

like, hmm, it doesn't usually, it

18:42

doesn't seem to work out that way always. Joe

18:46

is saying, they're just people

18:48

there. They're not magically smarter

18:50

because they're in our government. And

18:55

they're middle management people. They're the worst kind of

18:57

people to interact with. That's, you

18:59

know, sorry if you're in middle management, but they're

19:02

just people. And we stand by it. They're

19:05

just people up there making

19:07

you do what they think is the

19:09

quote unquote right way to do it.

19:11

Right, yeah, it's that other

19:13

thing. Like some people telling some other

19:15

people what they can and cannot do.

19:19

Not in our watch. I don't like

19:21

it. I

19:23

don't support it. I'm not for it. Yeah,

19:28

I'm not for it, man. Well,

19:31

that tells me she's like the

19:33

kind of gal I

19:35

would like to see in a higher position because

19:37

of her intelligence and her

19:39

patriotism. She likes the United States.

19:42

Yeah, I think she would do good work that

19:45

would be honorable, you know?

19:47

Nobody's perfect, but it's definitely the kind

19:50

of politician I'd like to see.

19:52

And there would be real debates with her. She

19:54

would talk about things, you know? She

19:57

would be open to talking and instead of just

19:59

this closed. off process we

20:01

have now. It's

20:04

like I saw a thing earlier where it

20:06

was like live tonight at debate, you know,

20:08

interview with Biden. And

20:12

you know, you see these videos online

20:14

of him like going into like an

20:16

ice cream shop for like a, you

20:20

know, like an op, you know,

20:23

some sort of like promotional

20:25

thing and they've like given even

20:27

the checkout person like all the

20:29

questions and exactly what to say

20:31

and you know, everything's so orchestrated.

20:34

I'm like a hundred percent it's

20:36

going to be like that on CNN too. You

20:38

know, this isn't a real interview where they're just

20:40

like throwing shit at him. It's going

20:43

to be a bunch of soft balls and.

20:46

Exactly. He doesn't think on his toes. He's

20:49

not, he's not fresh enough. He doesn't

20:51

have enough skin in the game.

20:53

He's on his way out. Yeah. People

20:56

want to, people work for what they feel

20:58

connected to and he's

21:00

so disconnected. And I'll argue

21:02

that maybe all 81 year

21:05

olds are disconnected from the

21:07

world. They're, they're in their

21:09

monk stage. They're in their time on

21:11

the recliner stage. Yeah. There

21:14

are definitely few

21:16

80 year olds that are really

21:18

lucidly crushing it. I

21:21

mean, that's reasonable. And they're

21:24

in Japan, everybody. Japanese

21:26

guys. They're Japanese.

21:28

The Japanese guys. They just

21:30

changed smoking and singing karaoke.

21:32

Sharp, sharp as a tack.

21:35

Shrill, shrill karaoke. Yeah.

21:39

What did you think about, what did you think

21:41

about the Maui fire stuff? I haven't really kind

21:43

of kept up with that. I mean, it was

21:45

big news for a while then it stopped and

21:47

you know, people can't go back to their homes

21:49

and I guess the ground is kind of toxic

21:51

because of all the burning, you know, blah,

21:54

blah. It's like,

21:56

what's, what's happening over there? What

21:59

happened to all the people? Did they just

22:01

put it in? Yeah, they were displaced,

22:04

and there were over 200 that were lost,

22:09

right, or murdered,

22:11

but yeah, lost. I

22:14

don't know. I haven't kept that. I was like, what

22:16

did Tolsti say about it? I didn't catch what he

22:18

said about it. Well, it's a mess. The federal government

22:20

didn't jump on it. There was some

22:23

text back and forth with one

22:25

of the government guys over there that was

22:27

supposed to be overseeing it, and he was

22:29

kind of making jokes about

22:31

it via text with one of

22:33

his assistants, which was really

22:36

pretty heartless and kind of gross. It

22:40

was just a giant

22:43

fuckup of an

22:47

emergency response, and it always seems to

22:49

go that way too. It's like whether

22:51

it's Katrina or many of these responses,

22:53

it's like don't we have plans in

22:56

place and scenarios? It's like hey guys,

22:58

just so you know, there's a giant

23:00

fire in this part of California.

23:03

This is what we do. Let's

23:06

practice it. Let's set up some tents. Let's

23:08

do the thing. It's almost like they just all

23:10

get there, and they're like, uh, what

23:13

do you think we should do? Don't

23:16

we make plans for this shit? FEMA

23:22

responds with the Army Corps of

23:24

Engineers to natural disasters on the

23:26

American soil, and

23:29

FEMA is a government-run

23:32

appointee. Remember

23:34

when George Bush appointed somebody random

23:37

to FEMA who had no leadership?

23:39

We need some leadership there. Money

23:43

flows out of

23:45

the government so easily in many cases, but

23:47

in these cases, it seems like the

23:50

amount of red tape needed to get

23:53

funds to these people is a

23:57

criminal. A

24:01

lady got $750 for

24:04

fighting for her life, her house burning

24:06

down, losing county members. She

24:08

had $750, and I got $1,250 for having to stay

24:10

home at COVID. Yeah.

24:17

For nothing. Right. I could have worked.

24:19

I never got COVID. This

24:22

is an anecdote, of course. I'm getting

24:24

on one. I'm passionate about this. The

24:27

white claws hit him. I'm passionate. This

24:29

mango makes me take my top off

24:32

and talk crap about the government. So

24:36

it's always the mango. It's always

24:38

the mango. But yeah, why not put them

24:40

immediately on whatever it was, $700 a week

24:42

or $1,000 a week

24:44

or whatever? I

24:49

mean, it's not like it's- I got a

24:51

one-time payment. It's

24:53

not millions of people,

24:55

right? Thousands. Yeah,

24:57

it's thousands of people. I don't think anyone would

25:00

be upset about it. It's like, did your

25:02

house burn down? Yes. Prove

25:04

it. Here's my address. Here's

25:06

my driver's license. You

25:09

know, take a satellite image. Yep, looks like that

25:11

house burned down. Here's your $1,000 a week. And

25:14

even that- Give them a hotel. Give them $1,000 a week. Right.

25:19

A week. I

25:21

could be wrong, but they didn't get any money. It

25:23

wasn't good. Yeah, you got

25:25

to feel bad for it. And it's like easy

25:27

to just not care about it because they're a

25:29

long way away if you don't live there. But

25:33

they're fucking American citizens whose

25:35

houses burned down. Buy

25:39

a laser from space,

25:41

allegedly. Allegedly of

25:43

a directed energy beam, and I can't

25:45

say it's wrong. Yeah,

25:47

you got to have a blue roof. Isn't that part

25:49

of the conspiracy? You got to have a blue roof

25:51

because the laser like doesn't burn the blue houses.

25:54

All the blue cars didn't get it

25:56

killed, burned, and the blue blues survived.

26:00

Is that gonna be true? Why? What

26:04

are we doing with lasers and

26:06

burning Hawaii? I don't know.

26:08

I don't know why we'd be bothered about that It's

26:11

hard to contract. I don't want to focus on that part of it because

26:13

the response is even as

26:15

egregious Yeah well

26:19

There we go. That's Tulsi. God

26:22

bless her and I am excited

26:24

to see if if

26:28

You know Trump gives her the call. She's definitely

26:30

holding out for it. I'm pretty

26:32

sure the RFK did speak to her

26:34

and She kind of

26:36

held out. She's like, you know what? I'm

26:40

just gonna hang tight. I think I got a real shot over here

26:42

and Trump's just

26:44

being coy about it. It would be a good move. He would

26:46

be very wise. I think it would be a good move I

26:49

could vote for her dude. Yeah

26:52

She definitely of the four people

26:55

assuming that Biden runs

26:57

again with Kamala like I guess he has to

26:59

write Unless they they have to

27:01

pull the old switcheroo like people keep saying

27:03

that oh, no They're gonna put someone else

27:05

in last minute and that's not gonna work

27:08

They're not gonna have enough time to

27:10

feed the bullshit propaganda into making us

27:12

want to follow someone else Oh,

27:15

and if it's Gavin, we already know we don't like

27:17

him That guy

27:19

sucks He's I think

27:21

he's a I think he is if there's

27:23

only one lizard person, I think he's the

27:25

lizard person. He's the guy He

27:28

made him Yeah, and

27:31

obviously that's a ridiculous conspiracy. But

27:33

yeah, he is he is that

27:36

he's just so fake He's

27:38

just He doesn't give

27:40

a fuck about people. I saw it

27:42

in California during covered like

27:44

what was happening. He didn't care He

27:47

likes you. She ping though Does

27:50

yeah, he will clean up the city for that

27:52

guy He

27:54

likes Trudeau No,

27:56

God. Yeah, they these are his

27:59

friends Anyway, we don't have to

28:01

bang around about him, but let's

28:03

jump over to Christopher Dunn. Interesting,

28:07

interesting, interesting. Now,

28:10

yeah, so he's

28:13

written a few books about the

28:16

pyramids. Basically

28:19

what really gave him credibility in my

28:21

eyes, which should in many, is that

28:24

his job early on,

28:26

he did an entire career of top-notch

28:30

engineering stuff where

28:32

he would like reverse

28:35

engineer how things were made. Somebody

28:37

would bring him a part or a thing

28:40

for a machine and be like, all right,

28:42

I need this made. You've got to

28:44

figure out how they made it. Maybe we don't know. Maybe

28:47

it's from a different company or they

28:49

lost the schematics or whatever the reason would be

28:51

that we need to make this piece. He's like,

28:53

all right, well, let me figure out what metal

28:55

it is, what it's made of,

28:57

and what tools

28:59

I would need to cut it and how it would work

29:02

to get this type of precision, blah,

29:04

blah, blah. Exactly. He's a

29:06

great person to analyze artifacts that we're

29:08

unsure how they would be made. It

29:10

seems to make sense, materials and materials. When

29:14

he went in and analyzed some

29:16

granite cores that had been

29:18

cut out and he quickly

29:21

realized, and this was his

29:23

first attempt

29:27

or bit of interest in looking at some

29:29

of this ancient stuff, he realized that it

29:31

couldn't have been made the way that archaeologists

29:34

are saying it probably was. Then

29:37

he realized, well, actually what archaeologists

29:39

are doing because it's an interesting

29:41

pursuit that one. Archaeology.

29:44

Yeah, and I think it was highlighted

29:46

when Graham Hancock was talking to, what's

29:49

that guy's name again? Dr.

29:51

Dibble. Dibble, yeah, Dr. Dibble.

29:55

Is that they have to work

29:57

with geologists, they have to work

29:59

with historians. they're really

30:01

like a combination of a bunch of things.

30:03

It's like they're looking at something, they maybe

30:05

dig it up and then they gotta like

30:08

send the bones to biologists. So they've gotta

30:10

send, and it's like, okay, well, who

30:13

are the other people that you're speaking to? Are

30:15

they very good at their job? Or

30:17

are you getting information that's, you

30:19

know? It's like, it's not really

30:21

the archeologists that are deciding, oh,

30:24

this is how this would have been

30:26

built. They must be talking to other

30:29

engineers and saying, we

30:31

think it's made like this, could they make

30:33

it like this? And then

30:35

some engineers, like, yeah, they could probably

30:37

pull some of these giant

30:40

blocks on logs or

30:42

float them down the river. But,

30:46

you know. Well, my

30:48

takeaway from that was, it's only

30:50

recently that I've started actually working

30:52

with engineers and people to reverse

30:54

engineer the artifacts. And

30:57

before that, if an engineer was talking

30:59

about a piece, they would

31:01

have had to have an archeologist on

31:04

hand while it was excavated and walked

31:06

him through the whole process, otherwise it

31:08

was discounted in archeology. So when I

31:11

heard him talk about that, he

31:14

was saying that they are the gatekeepers to their

31:17

stuff being held to a

31:20

high standing. So

31:23

if these guys would say anything about these

31:25

objects, archeologists would say, well, we

31:27

don't know when it was found, we don't know where it

31:29

was found, we don't know under

31:31

what circumstances or what layer, so therefore

31:34

it is outside our data set. So

31:36

they would just throw away the data

31:38

basically. I see. That's called gatekeeping. They've

31:41

been gatekeeping findings

31:43

for years. And now it seems like they

31:45

are having a fusion, more

31:48

fusion now than ever. Yeah,

31:50

they should, they should. Really, that's

31:52

what I was hoping more would

31:54

happen with Graham's stuff, but he's

31:56

had a whole life of being shit on by them,

31:58

so he's pretty pissed off. And really,

32:01

this is his voice,

32:03

an opportunity to say

32:05

fuck you to those guys. So I kind of

32:07

don't blame him to do that either. He's

32:10

just tired of it and selling

32:12

a lot of books. So who gives a

32:14

shit? But

32:17

yeah, I mean, that's what makes

32:19

it slippery, right? Do

32:22

you know if we've tried to like,

32:24

at least cut one block, like in

32:26

the pyramids, one of those two-ton stones

32:28

and just see what it takes to

32:30

just cut one and make

32:32

it a precise? Yeah, they've done a lot of cutting

32:34

of blocks. They've

32:37

done a lot of moving of really heavy blocks.

32:40

People have done a lot of studying them over

32:42

the years. And

32:44

there are ways to cut them and ways

32:47

to move them. But they're not cutting the

32:49

17-ton block that's in the king's chamber.

32:55

There are some – or 80-ton block. There

32:57

are some very heavy blocks to

33:00

be cut and moved. Yeah. And

33:03

you know what? All this stuff, it's

33:06

hard to get the real data from and

33:09

know who to trust, like everything. Who do

33:11

we trust about this stuff? Sure. Yeah,

33:13

and the granite stuff is kind of wild

33:16

to me because supposedly some of those parts

33:19

are like – it's from one piece and

33:22

you can like barely get your hand in

33:24

the hole at the top yet it's like

33:26

hollowed out and smoothed inside. Right, and handles

33:28

on the side. Yeah, like what the fuck?

33:32

Now what's brilliant about it

33:34

is yeah, once you make that thing, it's

33:36

going to last basically

33:38

all the generations. You can't fucking

33:40

break it. It's still here.

33:43

You can break them. Some of them

33:45

are missing handles and chipped rims and all that. That's

33:47

true, but it's pretty tough. You'd have to give

33:50

it a good go. Tough as it gets. Yeah,

33:52

you'd have to give it a good go. And again,

33:54

it's like what are they scraping in there with stone

33:57

tools? You can't do that. You can't – you

33:59

surely – It has to be either

34:01

more granite or something harder than granite,

34:03

right? You can't... That's

34:06

the only way. It's the only way. Yeah, it

34:08

can't be anything softer. Impossible. You're

34:10

going to have something that erodes at

34:12

the same speed as it or slower.

34:16

So you're going to have to have something that is

34:18

hard, like you said, same hardness or

34:20

harder. It can't just be a thing that

34:22

is kind of there. It can't just

34:24

be another rock. It has to be the same

34:26

or harder. The thing

34:29

about that whole bit about lost

34:31

technologies, he goes on about quite

34:33

a bit, is the

34:36

tools of measurement that

34:39

are used to decide how this

34:41

is symmetrical are as

34:43

intricate as the objects being

34:45

made. To

34:48

make a computer, you have the computer finally,

34:50

but there's so many tools involved with the

34:53

computer that are

34:55

specialized and unique and delicate

34:58

that require their own technology tree

35:01

to make, and we don't

35:03

have those. We don't have the tools to

35:06

make that. But we don't

35:08

have the tools in evidence in situ

35:11

to say, oh, they made it with these and

35:13

they measured it with these. Right.

35:16

And that's the missing link here.

35:19

It's like they would bury at

35:21

least the pharaohs with stuff, like

35:24

gold, bits of shit that they like. They'd

35:27

even mummify some of the cats and put

35:29

them in there. It wasn't like there

35:31

aren't artifacts that are left. Chariots. They'd

35:34

have cool chariots in there. Nobody

35:37

just put in that cool toolbox

35:39

that they use for shaping granite

35:42

pots. That seems like something

35:44

worth kind of just,

35:46

you know, oh, I've laved with this

35:48

for 40 years and now I'm

35:50

dying. I want to be buried with it. I

35:52

think it's cool. And then we're like, oh, there

35:55

we go. Look, they did it. There's

35:57

the machine. None of it. So

36:00

we're just guessing. We're guessing. And

36:04

that's what lends me to refer back

36:06

to Graham is why aren't they working

36:09

on that? Why aren't they more interested?

36:11

That's not our problem. That's their problem.

36:14

That's the archaeologist's problem. Why aren't they

36:17

looking at it? Because they don't like guessing.

36:20

And that's really what they're doing anyway, but they have

36:22

to go with like the most reasonable

36:24

kind of sounding plausible

36:27

guess that also fits with the whole

36:29

rest of the history of all the

36:31

timelines that they have. Like

36:34

they were probably pissed off when they

36:36

found Gobekli Tepe. Because they're like fuck

36:38

this completely fucks all timeline. Oh well

36:40

it was just Stone Age men that

36:43

made this whole elaborate thing and

36:45

then they buried it. It's like.

36:48

Yeah they came together in a time after harvest and they were

36:50

rich with food so they had time

36:52

to negatively carve

36:54

this out of a stone

36:56

block and have all these

36:58

intricate astrological references and. I

37:02

know. Yeah. But

37:05

then again you even ask that question and

37:07

people are like oh this guy's probably a

37:09

flat earth. It's like all right

37:11

easy. Not all conspiracy

37:13

theories are the same. And

37:15

this one isn't even that. We're just asking questions.

37:19

It's like it looks weird. Now onto the

37:21

big part of the pod. The

37:23

power station. Hypothesis. Like

37:25

you know. Hmm okay.

37:30

I mean it is a big fucking

37:32

building for like two rooms. It

37:35

does seem like what. Two

37:38

rooms. Now you've got to ask

37:41

yourself well when did it stop working and

37:43

why would anyone have not continued to maintain

37:45

it. Like if

37:47

this was a giant power station doing all

37:49

some stuff wouldn't people want to

37:51

keep it going. That's

37:55

the very definition of a lost technology.

38:00

that showed up there in the floodplain of

38:02

the Nile were not the people that

38:04

made that. They might be descended genetically

38:08

but they're not the people that made that.

38:10

Nobody would have wrote it down. They would

38:12

have been like hey this

38:14

is really important because this

38:16

building isn't going anywhere so I'm just

38:18

gonna write this down using a bunch

38:21

of you know dogs and

38:23

cats or whatever hieroglyphics is made of

38:26

so you'll know how it works and

38:29

no one did that. There were any hieroglyphics

38:31

in the Great Pyramid of Giza. There's

38:34

none. They're

38:36

scratched with like someone's

38:38

fingernail on the King's

38:40

sarcophagus. It is

38:43

poorly scratched, lightly etched

38:46

and looks like your toddler did it. Oh

38:48

I see. Look at the later pyramids

38:50

and they are beautiful wall

38:52

panels with full color

38:55

and it's in soft, soft stone.

38:57

The stuff in the Great

38:59

Pyramid of Giza is as hard as it

39:01

gets, diarite granite and it is

39:04

it is unetched except for probably

39:07

a lot later they did their best

39:09

with what they had and it's like little

39:12

fingernail scratches. So the people that

39:14

got there, not the people that

39:16

made it in my

39:19

guess. You know Joe has one

39:21

of his early stand-over specials. He talks about

39:23

that and it's like part of

39:25

a joke where he's basically connecting what would

39:28

happen if like he's basically saying

39:30

what would happen if like the power went out.

39:32

Well for a day, be right, we'd sit around a

39:35

couple of days maybe we go out into the

39:38

street meet up with the neighbors what do we

39:40

do now and then within a

39:42

couple of weeks it's fucking chaos and

39:44

he gave in like all through jokes

39:47

he gives like the example of like

39:49

maybe that's what happened with the pyramids.

39:51

It's like you know eventually

39:54

they just walk inside and

39:56

they're like graffitting on the wall. They're

39:59

just like oh I was just draw on this with

40:02

images that seem to have nothing to

40:04

do with the construction of this thing.

40:06

We just talk about kings doing stuff.

40:10

And all the other pyramids after the

40:12

Great Pyramid of Giza are just shadows

40:15

of a pyramid. There's three pyramids of Giza

40:18

and there's a lot of other pyramids that

40:20

have been made after. But don't they know

40:22

when those ones were made and like they

40:25

have all these inscriptions. This is Khufu or

40:27

whomever and on here and they have those

40:29

people they find mummies and whatnot who haven't

40:31

been raided by the people that live there.

40:34

Right. But yeah the people that have been

40:36

found are not in pyramids. They're in the

40:39

Valley of the Kings, miles away, and they

40:42

are hidden in mounds, in hills,

40:44

and they're disguised. They're not in

40:46

pyramids. Oh, Tutankhamun wasn't in

40:48

a pyramid? I have

40:50

to really look that up again but he was

40:53

in the Valley of the Kings. Oh okay

40:56

okay. But they're still saying basically

40:58

that these pyramids were a tomb

41:01

and that's why they just had small rooms and that

41:04

was it. Yeah the primitive

41:06

builder hypothesis I think is what he called

41:08

it and that is what

41:10

they think. That's what Zaya Hiawath,

41:13

the Egyptologist, likes to and his

41:17

people say. Right.

41:19

They say that this was a tomb that

41:22

was interred a king and a queen. But

41:25

they never found a body and they never

41:27

found any bodies. All

41:31

right. It's a lot of guessing. Yeah

41:34

well I just wrote

41:37

pyramid power station theory. Such

41:39

unverified conjecture conjectures

41:41

regarding pyramids are collectively

41:44

known as pyramidology.

41:46

There is no scientific

41:48

evidence that pyramid power

41:50

exists. Okay well

41:52

there isn't. Pyramid power is such a

41:55

loaded thing. Pyramid power yeah. Sounds

41:57

like power ranges episodes. Where they will

42:00

stack on top of each other? I

42:05

know that they made a replica of the Ark and

42:08

it was too dangerous to keep around so they had to

42:10

destroy it. It was

42:12

like arcing and making

42:15

crazy... maybe look that up. But it

42:18

had crazy power signatures and it

42:20

was messing stuff up so they had to destroy

42:23

it. Why don't we make a little one

42:25

quarter replica or maybe one

42:27

thirty second replica of the

42:29

pyramid as it is, do our best

42:31

to mirror it, figure it

42:33

out. Because we're not

42:36

curious enough. What is the deal? Let's

42:38

make a new one. Yeah.

42:41

Or like just put a bunch of engineers on

42:43

it and see what's up. See

42:47

if they could look at it, just

42:49

a team and be like alright here's

42:51

the hypothesis. It was a

42:53

machine, we don't know how it worked, how

42:55

do you think it could work. And let's

42:57

just have fun with it and see

42:59

what's up. Make

43:02

your it out. Yeah. And then

43:04

if a few teams could be like oh

43:07

yeah, well it probably does this and if

43:09

this had boiling and this had power and

43:11

this did this and that then there's

43:14

a bit of pressure here. And then boom, Bob's your uncle,

43:16

you got a bunch of power. I

43:20

like that he did call Elon about it. Yeah.

43:24

I wonder what it would cost Elon to build

43:27

another pyramid that

43:29

size. How many

43:31

blocks? Two million. Two

43:34

million blocks. Two million blocks, two

43:36

tons each. Let's just put a

43:39

price on a block. What do you

43:41

think a block costs? Make

43:43

a block out of the ground. That,

43:45

no, a two ton block for

43:48

80 bucks. Perfectly cut. Good

43:50

luck. Couple

43:53

of thousand dollars block I would

43:55

imagine. Yeah. He was talking about

43:57

the progress so we always feel

43:59

good. So there's a let me just

44:01

gather my thoughts for a second white clouds are

44:04

hitting no to have mango here we go the

44:09

Circle drills that bore diorite

44:12

granite Were

44:14

produced with a continuous? Turning

44:17

they were turning turning turning they were not turning

44:19

one way look at the bo saw and turning

44:21

the other way A bo saw

44:23

has a bifurcated action that goes one way

44:25

and then the next way Okay, you're drilling

44:27

one way and then actually you're trailing clockwise

44:29

and counterclockwise These were

44:31

drilled what using one

44:33

way drill So it was turning clockwise

44:36

the whole time as it was shown through the

44:38

rock And it progressed

44:40

at a rate which cannot be

44:43

replicated by our modern machining practices

44:46

Because it was like cutting in too

44:48

quickly right wasn't it it

44:50

was cut the one revolution was doing

44:52

more Downward than ours one

44:54

revolution would do one

44:57

revolution of art modern technology might

44:59

go a hair's breath Their

45:01

technology was for one revelation revolution

45:04

was doing multiple times that

45:07

Down and he didn't have any idea

45:09

how that could happen right? He

45:12

tried it with a copper tube with sand and

45:14

he said he went for a week and he

45:16

got two inches I think he was saying oh

45:18

wow Yeah, so it's

45:20

just the The is

45:23

this cannot be replicated right now That's

45:25

wild. I mean that's something

45:28

important like you can't you

45:30

shouldn't just dismiss that you can just

45:32

be like well They pray did it like this. Well,

45:34

they didn't you can see Do

45:36

it exactly like that and until you figure it

45:38

out. No, well, that's not really our

45:40

job It is your job. Your job is to

45:43

figure out the past Archaeologists to

45:45

figure it out as accurately as you can not

45:47

just skip over and be like, oh we've figured

45:49

that out So we're moving on Tumu

45:53

too many good questions. It's

45:55

irresponsible. It's it's lowbrow.

45:57

It's smooth brained just

46:01

dismiss any data that's outside of

46:03

the norm. If there's data that

46:06

you're digging and you find something weird, that's

46:08

a part of it and you got

46:10

to figure it out. Yeah. There's

46:13

a lot of other stuff I didn't

46:15

mention, like the shale that's been carved

46:18

on a apparently on a lathe, with

46:20

incredible accuracies. There's shale is a soft,

46:23

uh, fractureable stone, but

46:26

it's dense and they, and there's like

46:28

discs and weird stuff they've made down

46:30

there and they can't figure it out.

46:33

They don't, and, and people like the

46:35

Egyptologists just, I'm

46:38

not sure what's the deal with them. What's the deal, guys? What

46:40

is going on? So shale, huh? Let's have

46:42

a look at a bit of that. Shale

46:46

discs in Egypt. How

46:50

do you spell shale? Stupid. I

46:53

think it's S-H-A-L-E. Oh. This

47:00

is a good podcasting right here. There we

47:02

go. Yeah, we need a Jamie. All right.

47:04

So let's see. According to this theory, the

47:07

significance of the disc can be recognized besides

47:09

its unique form by the fact that it

47:11

was placed in the center of a burial

47:13

chamber and not Sabu's

47:15

remains. Uh,

47:17

sure. Sabu disc. Also,

47:20

that stuff is just in their grave. It

47:22

doesn't mean it was made in their life.

47:25

It could be an artifact from many centuries

47:27

earlier. What

47:30

could you do with that? It

47:32

looks like a precision object. It looks like something

47:34

was spinning for some reason and it was... Oh,

47:37

like its own cutting tool thing.

47:41

Well, yeah, that thing is wild. You guys

47:43

should look up the

47:46

shale disc. Huh.

47:48

So shale is... It's

47:51

like brittle, you're saying? It

47:54

is quite brittle. So maybe it was used

47:56

like to resonate sound because it's all about the sound

47:58

over there, they say. Okay. It says

48:01

it's a vessel. Royal

48:04

Festival Jar is what they've decided it

48:06

is. Maybe it's just for like a

48:08

dope ass charcuterie. I

48:12

could buy that. I'll eat meat off anything. There

48:15

we go. We solved it. Charcuterie

48:17

board? Yeah, I don't envy

48:19

the archaeologists, honestly. I mean,

48:21

you know, they like

48:23

to be right. They like to be the guys

48:26

that have all the answers. But I think even

48:28

they sit around in the little

48:30

archaeology group, dressed like Indiana

48:33

Jones wannabes, and probably

48:35

start smoking some weeds. And

48:39

they go off on their own theories. Like, we

48:42

don't know really how any of this shit was

48:44

made. Do you realize that? Like,

48:46

they're supposed to be... I do. I've worked

48:48

with a lot of archaeologists, and you know

48:51

what? They get paid by big oil

48:54

companies and electrical companies. So I

48:58

don't see any guys working for themselves digging up stuff

49:00

and writing papers like they used to. Indy! Yep.

49:05

We knew Indiana Jones and his bitch. I

49:08

know, right? Finding cool

49:10

gold artifacts and... Yeah.

49:13

Taking it from the local populace. It's

49:15

wild. I mean, you know, I'd

49:18

love to have this guy back on, Rogan, you know,

49:20

to take another deep dive. But

49:22

at the end of the day, it's like, what does he come

49:24

back on with? I think he shot his

49:27

load. He's like, this is what I got. You

49:29

know, I like his style. I agree. He

49:32

was cool and chill

49:34

and good on the podcast. But

49:37

it's just so hard to have

49:40

something definite, you know? I think... It's

49:42

not like we're constantly digging stuff up

49:44

from there. If we

49:46

were, if we could have access to it, I

49:49

think the Egyptian government keeps good

49:52

lock and key on that whole area. That's

49:55

part of the problem is that the

49:57

ground has been dug up for...

50:01

3,000 years right the the layers of

50:03

that stuff has all been gone over

50:05

sold all The

50:09

cool stuff is sold all the tombs have

50:11

been raided and now he

50:13

this gentleman Christopher Dunn He's he's placed

50:15

it in the hands of the people

50:17

that it matters it to

50:20

the Egyptians He's

50:22

he wants to say I'm passing the torch. I

50:25

did my work. I did my bet wrote three books.

50:27

Yeah You guys it's your

50:29

job now Yeah, well Rogan was trying to trying

50:31

to get him to do a debate and he

50:34

was like I am not into this Not

50:36

doing I get that he's an engineer

50:39

He takes tools and makes

50:41

sense of his world with measurements and

50:43

tries to replicate things that he's found that

50:45

interest him He's doing he's did his part.

50:47

Yeah, I don't blame him bless him. I

50:49

don't blame him I like to though it

50:51

raises good questions. I mean, this is the

50:53

second week in a row that Basically

50:56

Rogan's had a controversial

50:58

style Conspiracy

51:02

ask theory person on and I wonder if

51:04

I wonder if that's like a new not

51:07

a new angle he's done it before but

51:09

he seems to be leaning into it again

51:11

and Yeah, and

51:13

I'm curious. I mean, this

51:16

is what's fun about him becoming so undeniable

51:18

and untouchable It's

51:20

like he gets to do this Right,

51:22

right. He's like yeah, it's gonna annoy

51:24

some people but they already call him

51:26

the controversial Podcast

51:29

host which is such a

51:31

fucking loaded bullshit thing. He's

51:33

the least controversial. Yeah Yeah,

51:35

you've got what's the other one go

51:38

daddy not go daddy someone's daddy That's

51:40

like the other big podcast some chick

51:42

talking about nonsense. It's like nobody refers

51:44

to her as Controversial and

51:47

it's like yeah because it's nonsense

51:50

Just letting it up. She's boring and

51:53

I'm like that should be more controversial because it's

51:55

just so bad Asking

51:59

questions And

52:01

listening to answers is not comfortable. Come on.

52:04

It's not, and I love it.

52:06

It's just called Investigations, nerds. Alright.

52:10

Well, that was it. Anything more that you want to

52:12

throw in with Mr. Dunn

52:14

there? No.

52:17

I enjoyed these two pods a lot. I

52:19

listened to these ones again, honestly. It was

52:21

good. Alright. Well, thanks.