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Over the last two years, as free speech

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ongoing success of the parallel economy. Over

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greatest disruptors of the new

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tech platforms in America. What he's done

5:40

at Rumble has really revolutionized the communication

5:42

space. But before we do that, I

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want to bring in my amazing co-host

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Amanda Headwisher, a very Merry Christmas and

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get some other thoughts from her, Amanda,

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a lot going on. A great day

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to celebrate free speech this Christmas, though.

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because you were standing by our first guest

7:24

who harbors an entrepreneurial mindset just as he

7:26

has. So let's dive into it.

7:29

I'm so excited to be welcoming him on

7:31

this very special Christmas day, this Christmas special.

7:34

I've known Chris Pavlosky for a few

7:36

years. What he has done to disrupt

7:38

one of the most dominant monopolistic forces

7:40

in the internet is just amazing. We

7:42

all got addicted to YouTube and then

7:44

we realized YouTube decides what we say

7:46

and can't say and we had no

7:48

choices. And then Chris jumped into this

7:50

extraordinary space and he created Rumble. And

7:53

today it is one of the most

7:55

powerful and most vibrant video

7:57

platforms anywhere in America. joined

8:00

by him. He's the CEO and founder of

8:02

Rumble. My good friend Chris Pavloski. Chris, welcome.

8:04

Merry Christmas. Merry

8:06

Christmas to the both of you. Glad to be

8:09

here today. It is an

8:11

amazing moment to just step back. I guess

8:13

it's been three or four years now of

8:15

just watching Rumble grow and grow and become

8:17

more vibrant from the cloud to

8:19

the ads to the studio. But

8:22

I saw something amazing happen just before

8:24

the holidays. Dan Bongina, one of the

8:26

flagship shows on Rumble

8:28

surpassed, and I have this

8:30

right, 3 million subscribers. Yeah,

8:34

that's correct. So Dan joined in

8:36

the fall of 2020. He followed

8:38

after Devin Nunes. So

8:43

Congressman Devin Nunes at the time was one of the

8:46

first people to join on the platform. And

8:49

then, well, while we were experiencing the growth, one

8:51

of the first people that kind of triggered a

8:53

little bit of the growth. And then

8:55

Dan came on in the fall and he just

8:59

posted, I guess it's two

9:01

and a half years later, he posted 3 million

9:04

subscribers on Rumble, which is like an amazing

9:06

feat. I think the most he ever had

9:08

on YouTube was 700,000. He

9:11

now has 3 million on Rumble. He's

9:13

posting yesterday alone. He had 127,000 live

9:15

concurrent viewers

9:18

at one moment, a

9:20

million total viewers on

9:22

a lot of his shows, lots passing a

9:24

million. So he's

9:27

really setting the internet on fire right now

9:29

and showing the world what you can do

9:31

on an alternative platform like Rumble and showing

9:34

how you can grow and lead the

9:36

way. So we're super excited that he

9:38

hit that milestone. He's the biggest, single

9:40

biggest creator on Rumble when it comes

9:42

to subscribers. And he's been loyal to

9:44

the platform for two and a half

9:46

years now. So we're super proud. It's

9:48

impressive. That's incredible. And

9:50

congratulations to him and you also.

9:52

I remember when Rumble first burst

9:55

on the scene and similar to

9:57

some of the other alternative social

9:59

media platforms. Everybody was saying,

10:01

oh, it's just going to be conservatives. It's going

10:03

to be a conservative hub for videos and other

10:05

content. That's not the case, is it? No,

10:10

exactly. That's actually changed quite a bit in 2023.

10:14

The leading, I

10:16

guess, political affiliation on Rumble right

10:18

now, according to ComScore data, is

10:20

putting independence and no affiliation combined

10:23

as the biggest group of

10:25

viewers on Rumble. That

10:27

kind of flies into the face that we're a

10:30

platform only for a certain type of

10:32

content. It's obviously not in an election

10:35

year right now. There's been a lot

10:37

of gamers coming onto the platform. There's

10:39

been a lot of people seeking different types of content.

10:42

Obviously, we've been growing different types of

10:44

audiences on the platform as well. It's

10:48

a platform for everyone. We like to

10:50

take a neutral stance on everything. We

10:53

don't like to lean one way or the other way.

10:55

That is exactly the mistake that I think the other

10:57

platforms made, is they all chose a side and they

11:00

all chose to go to

11:02

a side, whereas Rumble kind of stayed in

11:04

the middle, stayed neutral, and

11:06

never picked a side and never will.

11:09

Yeah, that's what's brilliant of it. It's the way

11:11

we used to be in this country until more

11:13

recently. Chris, you've done so

11:15

much more than just create an incredible

11:17

video platform. You've created an advertising platform.

11:19

You've created a back end, which is

11:21

very important because we've seen people get

11:23

thrown off of major computer

11:26

background infrastructure because of their beliefs

11:28

or their sayings. Tell us

11:30

a little bit about the breadth of what Rumble's

11:32

become because it's not just an amazing video platform.

11:36

Yeah, it's super important. Thanks

11:38

for asking that question. We

11:41

probably all remember what happened a couple years

11:43

ago with Parler. Amazon deplatformed the entire

11:46

platform and virtually put it out of

11:48

business overnight by doing that. When

11:51

we were experiencing growth, we decided that it

11:53

was really important to build our own infrastructure

11:55

and not rely on any of the big

11:57

tech companies to supply any of the infrastructure.

12:00

for us, so we've been building our own cloud in

12:02

our own infrastructure. We are trying

12:04

to build completely off the grid from big

12:06

tech so that we can be completely self-reliant

12:08

and not depend on any of the big

12:11

tech companies. So that's what we've done. We've

12:13

launched the cloud into beta. One of our

12:15

anchor tenants that was there first was

12:18

Truth Social. So we have Truth Social as

12:20

one of our anchor tenants early on and

12:23

we're looking to release that cloud out

12:25

of beta early in 2024 so that

12:27

every business can

12:30

join and run their business on a platform

12:32

that has similar values to what they have.

12:34

So we're excited to roll that out. It's

12:36

in beta right now. If you're interested in

12:38

it, you can sign up at rumble.cloud and

12:41

jump on that type of infrastructure

12:43

that matches your values. On the

12:45

other side, we've also been building

12:47

an advertising ecosystem. So we built

12:49

the Rumble Ad Center and once

12:51

again, Truth Social was one of

12:53

the first partners on the platform

12:55

to utilize this platform that we're

12:57

building. So we don't wanna be

13:00

dependent on big tech as well for

13:02

advertisements. So we're trying to get away

13:04

from any of the big tech clause

13:06

that can kind of hinder our growth

13:08

and stop us from doing certain things.

13:10

So we built the Rumble advertising center

13:12

where any product or any service out

13:14

there can come and directly advertise directly

13:16

to the Rumble audience. Amazing,

13:19

just amazing. Yeah, Chris, it seems

13:21

like content creators over on

13:23

YouTube are getting to this place

13:26

where they are just beaten down

13:28

by YouTube. They're constantly getting strikes.

13:30

They're constantly getting notifications from YouTube

13:32

that overlords controlling their content. And

13:34

I'm sure a lot of them are looking for

13:37

alternative places to take their content. For someone

13:39

who has a huge following on YouTube and

13:41

they wanna take a step, they wanna dive

13:43

in with Rumble, what is that process like

13:45

for them to get their following

13:48

back up to what was on par at

13:50

YouTube? So

13:52

I think Dan is like an excellent

13:54

example and even Steven Crowder. Steven

13:57

Crowder still has a YouTube channel and he uses it for a

13:59

lot of people. uses his YouTube channel to really kind

14:01

of bring in a lot of the users that

14:03

were on YouTube. And he did that very early

14:05

on, a couple of years ago. And

14:08

now, anytime he decides that he streams

14:10

on YouTube simultaneously when he's streaming on

14:12

Rumble, it's almost like a 10 to

14:14

1 ratio of users watching on Rumble

14:17

because he's constantly advocating for

14:19

everyone to watch on the Rumble

14:21

platform because it aligns with his

14:23

values. And I think

14:25

that's a perfect way to do it. You can

14:28

use these other platforms to kind of bring your

14:30

audience over. You need to do it as soon as

14:32

possible because one day you can wake up and that

14:34

platform might not be there for you anymore. Whereas at

14:36

Rumble, you can rely on us to be there. Yeah,

14:39

that's so important. Chris, we've got about a minute

14:41

left. What do we expect? 2024

14:43

elections, a big year, I expect Rumble is going to keep

14:45

growing like a monster. What are the big things to watch

14:47

for in 2024? So

14:50

yeah, like I've been saying over and over again, I

14:52

think 2024 is the Super Bowl year for

14:56

Rumble. It's an opportunity where now

14:58

we have a really good product entering the

15:00

market. We're going to have the Rumble ad

15:02

center coming out of beta. We're going to

15:04

have Rumble cloud coming out of beta. We're

15:07

going to have the election year where I

15:09

think we're probably one of the best platform

15:11

hands down to get the information that's not

15:13

being censored or information that's not being influenced

15:15

by any corporate media. So I'm

15:17

really looking forward to 2024 launching all

15:20

these products, taking them out of beta

15:22

and really capturing that audience in 2024 in a way

15:24

that we never have done before. You've

15:31

been able to help an entire part

15:33

of America avoid being deplatformed technologically, deplatformed

15:35

or demonetized, and also to have an

15:37

incredible experience. Chris, you have really done

15:39

a great service in this country. We

15:41

are so grateful. I want to wish

15:43

you a very Merry Christmas and a

15:46

very successful 2024. Thank

15:50

you, John. Thank you, Amanda. Thank

15:52

you as well. Yeah, it's just an amazing story, folks.

15:55

So much of our content at Justin News

15:57

goes on, Rumble. We see such incredible engagement.

16:01

What we get on YouTube, it is a remarkable

16:03

thing. Chris has done great work and it is

16:05

an incredible gift to this country to have restored

16:07

free speech to his platform. All right, we're going

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Merry Christmas to all y'all sending your evening

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with us tonight. We are so happy that

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you are here and that of course includes

17:49

our next guest. Never in my wildest dreams

17:51

did I think that former President Donald Trump

17:53

was going to have to start a technology

17:56

and media company. But of course after the

17:58

way that social media treated him. during

18:00

his campaign, during his presidency, and

18:02

then of course hindered his reelection

18:04

campaign, beginning True Social just made

18:06

sense and installing former California

18:08

Congressman Devin Nunes as the new organization's

18:10

first CEO also made perfect sense. Devin

18:13

joins us now to talk about True

18:15

Social, fine wine and much more Congress.

18:17

And Merry Christmas to you, thank you

18:19

for being here, sir. It's

18:21

a joy to be with both of you.

18:23

Two of my favorite people for sure. Oh,

18:25

back atcha. Likewise, likewise. And we're gonna work

18:27

our way to the fun part about the

18:29

wine, but I wanna get down to business

18:32

and start first with Trump Media and Technology

18:34

Group because this obviously was something born out

18:36

of necessity. That's what they say about invention,

18:39

but it has grown by leaps and bounds and is

18:41

now quite competitive with other social

18:43

media platforms. How did you do it? Well,

18:47

you have to go back to Parler,

18:49

I think, which was one of the

18:51

worst things that ever happened in US

18:53

history was to watch that company

18:55

be taken down. And I

18:57

was one of the first people to go to Parler.

19:00

I was also happen to be the first one, the

19:02

first person, anyway, other than funny animal videos, I was

19:04

the first person on Rumble. So

19:07

I was also the first person

19:09

to be shadow banned by all of the

19:11

big tech giants. So when Parler

19:13

got taken down, I think it just was

19:16

a dark day in history because it wasn't,

19:18

everybody talks about how they were taking off

19:20

the app stores but in

19:22

and lost their web servers. Reality

19:24

is that there was like some two

19:26

dozen companies that refused to do business

19:28

with them. So you took what was

19:30

then a billion, maybe

19:32

multi-billion dollar valuation of a company

19:35

and you destroyed it overnight. So

19:38

I went around the country talking about this

19:40

and then lo and behold, of course, Donald

19:42

Trump was kicked off of like millions of

19:44

Americans, kicked off of all the platforms. So

19:47

when he called me and asked me to

19:49

leave Congress to start this company was something

19:51

I couldn't say no to. Because

19:54

I know it's needed. I mean, we have to have

19:57

the internet highway open.

20:00

for all points of view. So

20:02

it really is the most basic right as

20:04

a U.S. citizen that's guaranteed in our Constitution,

20:06

and that is the right to free speech.

20:09

So every day we are working on

20:11

new technology here, you know, to make

20:13

sure that we allow all Americans

20:15

and people all over the world a

20:18

place to have their voice. We are their

20:20

voice. We are a movement. And

20:23

we're going to continue to provide and look for

20:25

other features that we

20:27

can allow things like rural America's voice,

20:29

your show, also to be featured into

20:32

the future. Yeah, that is such

20:34

an exciting opportunity. And it really has. You said

20:36

a highway. We did. You opened up a whole

20:38

new highway for free speech. At the very moment,

20:40

the government in big tech, and we were, we

20:43

didn't have it fully unraveled at that point, but

20:45

they were suppressing us in Bill A's big and

20:47

small, the Elvis Chan operation, the

20:49

all the other different censorship machines that

20:51

we've now learned. Today, it

20:54

is now has a strong foothold. And

20:56

what's interesting around it now is it

20:58

isn't just a social media platform. It's

21:00

become a community. And I'm really interested,

21:02

you fostered from the beginning, you didn't want

21:04

this just to be a social media platform. You

21:06

created a sense of community. There are groups, there

21:08

are also a brand selling

21:10

there. You got launching music that goes to

21:13

the top of every chart in America. How

21:16

did you do that? Why is it important

21:18

in today's world that a digital platform not

21:20

just be a business, but a community? Well,

21:23

one of the things I wanted to make sure

21:26

is that with President Trump, he was well known

21:28

for his tweets, mean tweets and all the nonsense

21:30

that the fake news talks about. But

21:32

we never wanted to be, if you want to get

21:34

on there, and some people have private

21:36

groups, so they get on there, they want

21:38

to talk freely amongst themselves.

21:41

They don't want the fake news in there trying to

21:43

grab stuff and share it. So this

21:45

is a feature, John, and Amanda, that's going to

21:47

be one that I think is going

21:49

to be continued to grow in

21:51

the future years. I

21:54

want to ask you, I don't want

21:56

to dampen the mood of a Christmas special

21:59

about parallel economy. me with congressional business,

22:01

but I do have to ask you about

22:03

your old haunt because there is a relative

22:05

to you, speaker Mike Johnson, and you have

22:08

these two committees, judiciary and Intel, for

22:10

you as an alum, you know, looking at

22:12

these competing bills to reform FISA, which you

22:14

have a very close relationship and

22:16

awareness of. If it was up to me,

22:19

it would have taken the best bit from

22:21

each of those bills. Neither one of them

22:23

ultimately prevailed. How disappointed are you? Well,

22:26

look, it's really simple. I think neither bill

22:29

did what I actually called for, you know,

22:31

even five, six years ago that needed

22:33

to be done. And that is that the legislative

22:36

branch of government needs to have

22:38

full access to the FISA court

22:40

transcripts and documents. Now,

22:42

there's a number of different ways you can do

22:45

that, but the process has been used already using

22:47

the Gang of Eight process where Republicans would have

22:49

a couple staff from the House, a couple staff

22:51

from the Senate. So it would then

22:53

report to committee chairs and or ranking members. The

22:56

Democrats would have the same. That

22:58

to me is the only solution, the only solution that

23:00

matters. People get hung up on the

23:02

warrant issue. Look, there is a need for warrants in some

23:04

cases, some cases there's not. So they're

23:06

kind of fighting, in my opinion, and

23:09

these are, I got friends on both sides of

23:11

this, they're kind of butting heads on something that,

23:13

and they're not really focused on a larger problem,

23:15

which look, you can have all the warrants in

23:17

the world or you do nothing.

23:19

And guess what? The crooks are still going to

23:21

be the crooks at the FBI and DOJ. And

23:24

I mean, remember they targeted justices that they

23:26

knew would be sitting on the FISA court.

23:29

So look, the easiest thing is

23:31

transparency, openness, having Congress have

23:34

a role into that

23:37

is the only solution if you are going to

23:39

do this type

23:41

of intelligence collection. I think

23:44

that's exactly right. Congressman,

23:47

you have a lot of titles, Master of

23:49

Liberty, you fought for our liberty, you are

23:51

an extraordinary CEO of a large technology company.

23:53

But one of my favorites, and I don't

23:56

think a lot of Americans know this, is

23:58

that you are a master winemaker. as well,

24:00

and you have your own brand of wines,

24:02

tell us how you found time to make

24:04

a brand of great wines. Well,

24:06

you know, I come from a family of

24:08

farmers. I mean, every generation in my family

24:10

goes back, as far as I know of,

24:12

there were no politicians, there

24:14

was nothing other than farmers. And

24:17

so I grew up in the vineyards, I grew

24:19

up farming, I was

24:22

founding investor in a winery that started about 20

24:24

years ago. And back in

24:26

2017, John, you'll remember this, that

24:28

timeframe, I was actually gonna start this project, which

24:30

is, I have this

24:33

view, this theory

24:35

that growing Portuguese grapes on

24:38

the central coast of California can make

24:40

world-class wines. I was gonna start it in 2017, but

24:43

then the Russia hoax happened, so I didn't have any time. Finally,

24:46

in 2020, you gotta remember, wine

24:48

takes a long time, you gotta, there's

24:50

a lot of run up to grow

24:53

wine, you grow grape, crush it, put

24:56

it in a barrel, then make the

24:58

wine. So finally, 2021 was my first

25:00

vintage, we just released that this year, and

25:03

I'm proud to say that, look, I think I'm

25:05

the only company in the United States that's making

25:07

these world-class wines of Portuguese grapes, and I actually

25:09

have also one, this is

25:11

Ties in True Social here, John Amanda, the

25:14

Patriot wine, which is a Cabernet

25:17

wine, and it is, we

25:20

actually put a poll up on True Social because I

25:22

was gonna make the Portuguese varietals, but

25:24

I thought I might make a Bordeaux tab also,

25:28

and we put up a poll, and the

25:30

name Patriot won, and therefore you have a

25:32

True Social named wine via a

25:35

poll on True Social, and

25:37

it's really great Cab coming from the Central

25:39

Coast of California, Paso Robles, which

25:41

many people know. A dose of free

25:44

speech and a case of wine, I like

25:46

that. Yeah, well, look, a couple hundred years

25:48

ago, the Italian and the French were dealing

25:50

with parasitic soil, and they purchased some of

25:52

our American vines, so I guess we get

25:54

to trade off now between us and Europe.

25:56

Okay, so tell everybody where they can find

25:58

those wines. Hi. devinnunaswines.com.

26:02

Get on there, join the club, and you'll get your

26:04

wine. We'll ship it out. It's Christmas time, so maybe

26:06

a little bit delayed, but we'll get it to you

26:08

for sure within a couple weeks.

26:10

Yeah, that's great. Join the club. I'm in the

26:12

club. Join the club, guys. Founder's club. Be a

26:15

founder's club member with me, please. I'm

26:17

gonna be in the club, too, Devin. Thank you

26:19

so much, everybody. Head over to devinnunaswines.com. Go

26:22

ahead. I just want all of you to enjoy the wine.

26:24

That's the main thing. It's

26:27

a passion project. It's a hobby. It's

26:29

something that I've done for years, and I think you guys

26:32

will enjoy it. Yeah, we do. I happen to know

26:34

that we all will enjoy it, so thank you so

26:36

much for being here, Devin, and thank you for being

26:38

a huge part of the creation of a parallel economy.

26:40

You don't want to go anywhere, everybody, because when we

26:43

return, we have the one and only country music star

26:45

by the name of Don Rick. ["The Star-Spangled

26:47

Banner"] Welcome

26:56

back, America. Merry Christmas. We're just a

26:58

couple days away, and this

27:00

is our, I love it, Liberty Loving Christmas special

27:03

as we focus in on the parallel

27:05

economy. There is no person I can

27:07

think of who has done more to

27:09

disrupt the traditional economy, to restore freedom

27:11

to it, or to create new opportunities

27:13

for Americans, and our next guest, John

27:15

Rich, is one of Country Music's greatest

27:17

stars. He's also one of its greatest

27:19

disruptors. His effort to release songs around

27:21

the music labels and to create a

27:24

Liberty Loving Bank has really transformed America

27:26

over the last year, and he joins us right

27:28

now. Merry Christmas, great to have you on the

27:30

show, my friend. You too,

27:32

man, I love that background. It's almost like

27:34

I'm getting John Solomon for Christmas this year.

27:37

Oh, that would ruin

27:39

a lot of Christmases. The Bidens have asked me not

27:42

to show up for their Christmas, so I'm pretty sure

27:44

I would stay away. Well,

27:46

listen, you make anyone's Christmas complete,

27:48

your music, your enthusiasm, your love

27:50

for your country, but

27:52

the parallel economy that you've been helping to

27:54

build all day, all night

27:56

with the bank you started, with the

27:58

record label and going... direct to the American

28:00

people. You transformed, I think the economy in a

28:03

big way in 2023. Tell

28:05

us at the end of this year, what lessons you've

28:07

learned from that. Well,

28:10

first of all, I think that, when

28:12

you talk about parallel economies, it's

28:14

not just an entrepreneurial effort,

28:17

it's a necessity, I believe, for

28:19

Americans to start thinking like that.

28:21

And I always challenge people, if they

28:23

see me on an interview or hear a discussion like

28:25

this, to think about in their business

28:28

and their expertise, what they can do to

28:30

really set up something on their own that

28:33

the government cannot destroy or take away from them.

28:35

It's a sad state that our country's in right

28:37

now. We've really only got two choices, we

28:40

can scream and holler about it, which we do plenty

28:42

of that. But when you get through

28:44

screaming and hollering about it, the problem still exists.

28:46

So you've got to come up with other ways

28:48

to do your business and to be heard. And

28:51

so, whether it be music or

28:53

banking or other things, I've

28:55

sat around, spent a lot of time thinking, huh,

28:57

I know the crowd is there, I

29:00

know the customers are out there, I know my

29:02

fans are out there, but this big

29:04

industry won't allow me to get to them.

29:06

They've shut me off, they've canceled me, turned

29:08

off my voice. How do we

29:10

figure this thing out? And it can be figured out.

29:13

And as much as I don't like tech, tech

29:15

actually is a great tool in your

29:17

hand if you're looking to communicate with a lot of

29:19

people around the establishment. And

29:22

that's exactly what we've done. I've put out several

29:24

songs that all go to the top

29:26

of the download charts, Progress, the one,

29:28

John, that you got behind so big. That's state

29:30

number one on iTunes for two weeks in a

29:32

row. Amazing. All genres, not just

29:35

country, it was a huge success. And

29:37

then Old Glory Bank, which I know we're

29:39

gonna talk about. Listen, people are having their

29:41

bank accounts frozen, suspended,

29:44

sometimes completely turned off. And

29:46

it disrupts their business in such a way that a

29:49

lot of people lose their businesses when that happens. So

29:52

that's another hill, as we say, we have

29:54

to build hills that people can run to,

29:56

because that's what people feel like. It's time to run

29:59

for the hills, everybody. Well, what hill are

30:01

you going to run to that the enemy hasn't

30:03

already purchased? They own all the hills, but we

30:05

have to build new hills for people to run

30:07

to. So I love that.

30:10

I honestly don't know how you have the time

30:12

to go after all of the endeavors that you

30:15

do between banking and your whiskey brand and also

30:17

music. But I would remiss if I

30:19

did not mention your new song that is out. And I

30:21

want to encourage our entire audience to go out and buy

30:23

it. But I want to give a little bit of a

30:25

teaser now. Everybody check it out. I'm

31:00

sorry people are not looking for

31:02

the shots and all the blood.

31:06

You are the Lord, ain't your

31:08

man the way they can? Cause

31:12

we'd all be speaking German and

31:14

living under the flag of Japan.

31:17

If it wasn't for the good

31:19

Lord and the man, if

31:23

it wasn't for the good Lord

31:25

and you. Amazing.

31:32

I love the message of that

31:34

song. John, tell us about your grandmother.

31:38

Well, he's a World War II vet. And

31:41

I think all of us, if I asked

31:43

you guys and everybody watching to think about

31:46

a picture that's hung on your wall or

31:49

your grandmother's wall or somebody in the family

31:52

of a family member who served, especially from the

31:54

greatest generation, the World War II generation. You'll probably

31:56

think of that picture right now. You can probably

31:58

see it clear as a bell. And

32:01

it's been a long time since anybody wrote

32:03

a song or really did something to highlight

32:06

their service. And as I see

32:08

our country now in 2023, you

32:11

wonder if we got into

32:13

a conflict of that magnitude again these days,

32:16

how would young Americans react to that

32:18

call, to that challenge? Would they step

32:20

up like the greatest generation did?

32:22

And I think that's a wide open

32:24

debate at this point. But back then,

32:26

there was no question about it. My grandfather signed

32:28

up when he was 17. He actually lied about

32:31

his age, signed up at 17. He

32:33

wanted to go fight. He was furiously

32:36

upset about Japan bombing Pearl

32:38

Harbor. And so he went over

32:40

there and did his job and he did it very

32:42

well. And he came back with PTSD too. They just

32:44

didn't know what to call it back then. He

32:47

was hooked on morphine for two years when he got

32:49

back home, had to wean himself off

32:51

of that, became a farmer and

32:53

died at 80 years old from cancer. So

32:55

I mean, we stand

32:57

on the shoulders of these people. This

32:59

song is not just about my grandfather.

33:02

It's about all those men, all those

33:04

people that did what it took to

33:06

keep our country intact. And

33:08

so they're the shoulders we stand on. And

33:10

I firmly believe we are the shoulders that

33:13

the next generations are going to stand on. People

33:15

that have our last names, people with the last name

33:17

of Solomon, John, that you'll

33:19

never meet. That'll be a long

33:22

time after you're gone. People

33:24

named Rich, that'll be long after I'm gone. They

33:27

are going to look back and say, what were you doing?

33:29

What was my ancestors doing when the country

33:31

got into that shape? I hope they stood

33:34

up and tried to do something about it.

33:36

That's what this song is all about. It

33:38

is such a powerful word. And that line in there, if

33:40

it weren't for the good Lord of the man, we'd

33:42

all be speaking German and be under the flag

33:45

of Japan. I mean, that is such a powerful

33:47

reminder of the consequences of the moment we live

33:49

in, different threats, but the

33:51

same call to action. You are just

33:53

so brilliant and motivating us, John. It's

33:55

really something. I want to turn to

33:58

another thing that you've done that really has inspired a lot of people. of

34:00

people, Old Glory Bank, a bank

34:02

with patriotism. There is a debanking movement going

34:04

on where conservatives are getting debanked all across

34:06

this country. Tell us a little about the

34:08

success of Old Glory because it's solved a

34:10

real problem in this country. Yes.

34:13

So this all started when

34:15

we were watching the trucker protests happen up

34:18

in Canada and Justin Trudeau

34:20

could not get them to leave. He just

34:22

couldn't get them to go. And so his

34:24

final move was he started freezing their bank

34:26

accounts, not just the truckers, but the company

34:29

that the trucker drove for. If you were

34:31

a tow truck company that refused to tow

34:33

the trucks, they'd freeze your bank account too.

34:36

They just started mass freezing everybody's bank accounts.

34:38

And that eventually broke their backs and ended

34:40

the protest. If you look

34:42

at Nigel Farage, for instance, a recent story

34:44

on him, all of his banking was just

34:46

turned off overnight because they didn't like his

34:49

position on some subjects. So in America,

34:51

if you think we don't have people in positions

34:53

of power that fantasize about

34:56

shutting off John Rich's account or

34:58

John Solomon's account or President

35:00

Trump's account or whoever, you're kidding

35:03

yourself because that's exactly what they want to be

35:05

able to do. And so as

35:07

we recognize this problem, Dr. Ben Carson,

35:09

Larry Elder, myself and a bunch of

35:11

other guys said, we got to build

35:13

a new banking platform where you will

35:15

never be punished or canceled for exercising

35:18

your constitutional rights. Now it's a pretty

35:20

pathetic thing that that actually has to

35:22

be a business model, but

35:25

it is because that's the state our country

35:27

is in. So Oh glory bank.com is where

35:29

you go to open up an account. We

35:31

now have tens of thousands of accounts, people

35:33

doing their banking there. We just started doing

35:36

small business loans. Mortgages are

35:38

coming up next. It's going to be a full

35:40

service situation for people coast to

35:42

coast in this country who are concerned about

35:44

the future of banking. It's

35:46

such a great solution. We only got about 30 seconds left. I

35:49

know some great stocking stuffers. You've got a great concert

35:51

tour next year. Kid Rock and Jason Aldean. How do

35:53

we get signed up for that? I'm going to be

35:55

getting my family that one. Rock

35:58

the country tour, man. It's going to be something. and

36:00

else 2024 is going to be loud and

36:02

proud America all across this country. I'll

36:05

go get your tickets, show up and see us.

36:07

We can't wait to be in your hometown. Yeah,

36:09

it's going to be a really, really fun night.

36:11

I know my family is going to be buying

36:13

them for our local concert and then you're right

36:15

here. John, we want to wish you a Merry

36:17

Christmas. And I want to just personally thank you.

36:19

You have shown a courage, a passion, and a

36:21

love for this country that few in country music

36:23

have put out there. You put yourself out there.

36:25

You've made our country better. We really appreciate you,

36:27

my friend. I'm very kind

36:29

of you to say Merry Christmas to both of you. Have

36:31

a great one. God bless you, my friend. All

36:33

right, folks. And go download that song, The Man.

36:35

That's an incredible song to share with

36:37

your family this Christmas season. All right. We're going to take

36:39

a few commercial breaks here. We'll be

36:41

back in a few minutes with more conversation

36:43

on our Liberty Free Christmas special. Welcome

36:57

back, everybody. As we've been making our way through

36:59

this Christmas special, I want to point out something

37:01

that many people might not have noticed

37:03

yet. Everyone who we have had on so far

37:05

tonight never once remained

37:08

complacent in their industry or just sat

37:10

around and complained rather than griping about

37:12

how liberal or woke or out of

37:14

touch their organization was. They embraced

37:17

our capitalistic economy and they set out

37:19

on their own path to create something

37:21

better for themselves and, consequently, better

37:24

for all of us. And our next guest

37:26

did the exact same thing. Gabriel El-Tav

37:28

left the very well-known woke culture of DC

37:30

Comics and started making his own. Today,

37:32

he has collaborated with actor Dean Kane and worked

37:34

with many others to make his dream come alive

37:37

and lucky for us. He joins the show via

37:39

Skype right now. Gabe, it is great to see

37:41

you. Thank you so much for being here. And

37:43

Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to you

37:45

too, Amanda and John. Thank you for

37:47

having me. This is really exciting. I'm glad to be back. It's

37:49

fun to be here. It's fun to be here. We

37:52

love it. I know. I know. And we love

37:54

having you on. And for our audience who missed

37:56

you the first few times around, just give everybody

37:58

kind of a brief rundown of. of your career

38:00

at DC and how and why you left. I've

38:04

been drawing ever since I could remember, like three

38:06

years old in the back of my grandparents' Mexican

38:08

restaurant. I found X-Men when I

38:10

was about 13 years old and my favorite artist

38:12

was Jim Lee. He drew an exciting new series

38:14

like 92, record-setting book, eight

38:17

million copies, most selling comic of all time. And

38:19

I wanted to be him. I wanted to work

38:21

for him. Long story short, he hires me in

38:23

my very late 20s and I get a job

38:25

at Warner Brothers working on staff in

38:27

the studio for DC Comics for a few

38:29

years. And then after three years, that was

38:31

2008 through 10. Then

38:34

in 11, everything moved from San Diego up

38:36

to Hollywood so they could focus on TV and

38:38

all those interesting movies they make.

38:41

So I went freelance. So I continued to work for them for

38:43

like another 11 years. But then I

38:45

worked for everyone else too. I worked on Star

38:47

Wars and I did stuff for Disney and Marvel

38:49

and everything. I had a lot of fun, but

38:52

somewhere in the teens, in

38:54

mid-Obama stuff, everyone knows culture

38:57

and getting more and more woke. And

38:59

it just got to a point where, it

39:02

felt like it was encroaching in on me. Like, you

39:04

know, oh, well, the book I'm on is now, but

39:06

then more and more and more. And eventually they got

39:08

to this very un-American Superman book they wanted me to

39:10

work on in this and that. And I was in

39:12

the middle of about to sign two new contracts with

39:14

them, two extensions. And I just,

39:16

I couldn't do it. I couldn't stay there and

39:18

make woke stuff, which in my opinion doesn't have

39:21

artistic merit. And it's filled. It's bad for people.

39:23

It sends bad messages and it diminishes

39:25

people's lives. And that's not why I'm

39:27

an artist. So I went independent and

39:29

I've had nothing but success making

39:32

independent comics and they're not anti-woke.

39:34

They're not woke. They're not we hate Democrats.

39:36

They're just awesome action adventures with good morals

39:38

and uplifting stories. And I wouldn't have made

39:40

friends with people like you, John, Amanda, or

39:42

the great Dean Kane who I've collaborated with

39:44

on my latest project, Dean Kane All-American Lawmen.

39:46

So that's where we are today. And that's

39:48

a long journey from little boy to

39:50

45 year old man now. So. It

39:53

took a lot of courage to walk away from, you're

39:56

at the pinnacle of the industry and you're one of

39:58

the, literally the crime day like crime artists. in

40:00

the world and you walk away from that because

40:02

your values are more important than the money. It's

40:04

a really remarkable thing you did, Gabe. I wanna

40:07

ask you, this Dean Kane project,

40:09

we had Dean out a couple weeks ago, he's

40:11

so excited about it. Tell us a little bit

40:13

more about the inspiration for this and the reaction

40:15

for it. I recently saw a live stream on

40:17

it, it was awesome. Oh,

40:19

oh, did you catch this with Eric

40:21

July on Monday? Yes, Monday, yeah. Okay,

40:24

okay, so yeah, I teamed up with some great

40:26

people in the independent comic book world and we're

40:28

just giving you those classic adventures from the 80s

40:31

and 90s where it was still family focused, kind

40:33

of morals, the strong man, the beautiful woman. The

40:35

bad guys are actually bad and the good guys

40:37

are not just another bad guy, like a lot

40:40

of modern, postmodern garbage like that. And I was

40:42

working on another, the first book I did when

40:44

I left DC Comics, it was called Truth, Justice,

40:46

American Way. And it was kind of

40:49

my version of like Superman, Batman, Wonder

40:51

Woman, like classic superheroes, but taking away the

40:53

woke elements and adding in a lot

40:55

of heart and heroism and patriotism because

40:57

they ditched that motto in that Superman book they wanted me

41:00

to do that I walked off of. They

41:02

had Superman officially ditched that motto, Truth,

41:04

Justice, American Way, which is very insulting

41:06

and nonsensical. But anyway, at

41:10

the end of that project, nearing the end of it, I was drawing it one

41:12

day and I started thinking, what am I gonna do next? And I had been

41:14

friends with Dean for about a year because when

41:16

I came out against DC Comics and Warner Brothers,

41:18

it made global news for about two and a half days. It was

41:21

surreal to be international news, getting calls

41:23

from news organizations in Europe, articles

41:25

written about me around the world that Superman artists

41:27

is basically, it's like if you were going to

41:29

a restaurant and the chef is standing out front

41:31

saying, don't eat here. You know, that's

41:33

kind of what I did with Warner Brothers, like do not,

41:36

this is horrible what they're doing. And

41:38

so Dean friended me on Twitter and we

41:40

became very good friends, not just professional colleagues,

41:42

but actually like good, good friends. Now we

41:44

talk all the time. And nearing that end

41:47

of that Truth, Justice comic book that was

41:49

quite successful, people really loved it. I

41:52

said, what am I gonna do next? And I talked to Dean about

41:54

stuff and he always wants to promote it. I said, what if I

41:56

did a book? Where Dean

41:58

gets to live out one of those 90s action movies. and

44:00

anger and anxiety I've been through, I've trusted God and

44:02

I wouldn't have it any other way. I do it

44:04

all again, even though I've been vilified by peers and

44:07

insulted by an honest people on the internet. You

44:09

guys know how social media and Twitter are.

44:11

And after a while you just grow a thick skin

44:13

and you just laugh at the weird stuff. So I

44:15

love it, I love what I'm doing. And you guys

44:17

out there, order this today. Order it right now,

44:20

you're going to love it. It's gonna be

44:22

amazing. I've already delivered as an independent comic

44:24

maker in the past, I've got a good

44:26

track record. But if we wanna change culture,

44:28

politics is downstream from culture, right? So we

44:31

gotta show kids what's good, what's possible, what

44:33

they can be. And we show them a

44:35

beautiful story. I'm a Christian and Jesus, he

44:38

spoke in parables sometimes. He would give a

44:40

sermon, right? And it's a parable, those are

44:42

just stories, they're not true. But they give

44:44

a good lesson. And storytelling is the most

44:46

effective persuasion in the world. And

44:48

if you wonder why you see so much hate and

44:50

division and degeneracy, this is where

44:52

it's coming from. It's a horrible entertainment. Teaching

44:55

often more. So support me and

44:57

help the future. Yeah.

44:59

You've created a new solution. It has

45:01

gripped, it has gripped culture. I

45:03

hate the decay of Wokeness to Gabriel. You

45:05

are a bright light in all of this.

45:08

And I'm so excited for your past successes

45:10

and what's to come from you, everybody. Go

45:12

purchase his book. And when we come back,

45:14

we're gonna highlight an interview with the CEO

45:16

of Red Balloon, and then we'll send you

45:18

off into the good night. We'll be right

45:20

back. Welcome back, America. Merry Christmas. Yep,

45:30

just a couple days from that very

45:32

special holiday. Now, keeping politics out of the

45:34

workplace shouldn't be too difficult. But nowadays, one

45:36

could only dream. However, there is a new

45:38

company called Red Balloon. And while you may

45:40

still be unfamiliar with them, you're more than

45:42

likely to remember their viral advertisement from a

45:44

few months ago. Take a look at

45:47

this. When I grow up, when I grow up,

45:49

I want to be hired based on what I

45:51

look like, other than my skills. I want to

45:53

be judged by my political beliefs. I want to

45:55

get promoted based on my chromosomes. When

45:57

I grow up, I want to be offended by my

45:59

chromosomes. to walk around the

46:01

office on eggshells and have my words

46:04

please. My HR. Words like grandfather.

46:06

Peanut gallery. Long time no see.

46:08

No Candice. When I grow up. I

46:12

want to be obsessed with emotional safety

46:14

and do workplace sensitivity training all day

46:16

long. When I grow up I want

46:18

to climb the corporate ladder. Just by flowing

46:20

the clouds. I want to be a conformist. I

46:22

want to weaponize my pronouns. What are pronouns? It's

46:25

time to grow up. It's

46:28

time to grow up and get back to work.

46:31

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46:33

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45 seconds the greatest retort ever to the

46:40

woke economy. Joining us right now the man

46:42

behind the extraordinary red balloon experience. Andrew Capersenti.

46:44

He's the CEO. Andrew great to have

46:46

you on my friend. Thank

46:51

you and Merry Christmas everybody. Merry

46:53

Christmas. You've given us a Merry Christmas because you

46:55

make us laugh with your ads but you give

46:57

us a chance to find that next job where

47:00

I don't have to put up with all of

47:02

the woke workplace. Tell us about the inspiration for

47:04

your great company. Yeah

47:07

as you guys think about Christmas I remember as a child

47:09

I was a baseball player and my

47:11

parents didn't buy me a new mitt for Christmas so I

47:13

used all my Christmas money to go buy myself a Christmas

47:15

present and so I want you to think about that for

47:17

yourself right now. As you

47:19

are in a job I want you to think

47:21

about how much of the woke environment

47:24

is affecting your worldview affecting your whole outlook on

47:26

life and the way you interact with your family

47:28

and it's probably more than you want to admit

47:30

or more than you

47:32

actually realize and so red balloon dot

47:35

work is America's pro freedom job board.

47:37

It's where you can find companies who

47:39

value the Constitution who value America

47:41

who value the

47:44

lifestyle that we all love and we all believe

47:46

in and you can go and find them

47:48

and go work for them and if you're an employer

47:50

and you think man I would love employees that want

47:52

to show up to work they don't they're not going

47:54

to be whiners but they're going to bring value to

47:56

my company and help me make money because they think

47:58

capitalism is actually a good thing. then you

48:00

should go to redballoon.work. You can post your

48:02

jobs, or you can hand over the recruitment

48:05

process to our team. We have a team

48:07

that's focused on helping you hire people who

48:09

are values aligned. We're gonna save you a

48:11

ton of money in that hiring process. And

48:14

at the end of the day, you're gonna enjoy your

48:16

Christmas way more, knowing that next year you're gonna have

48:18

the employees you need to be successful. And

48:21

it's really, really fun. The other thing that we're doing

48:23

is we're providing a ton of value for people to

48:25

know what's going on in this Freedom Economy. So we're

48:27

doing the Freedom Economy Index with Public Square, where we

48:29

ask lots and lots of businesses, what

48:32

do they think about the economy and

48:34

politics and their business and inflation? What's

48:36

happening in Ukraine? And so if you wanna

48:38

know what's happening in the minds

48:40

of the small businesses in America that actually are the

48:43

lifeblood of our country, you can check that out at

48:45

the Freedom Economy Index. And if you wanna be part

48:47

of that Freedom Economy Index, all you

48:49

have to do is sign up at Public Square

48:51

or sign up at redballoon.work. You don't have to

48:53

pay any money, but you can participate in this

48:55

survey that is starting to turn a lot of

48:57

heads in DC and into mainstream media, because you,

49:00

all of you, you're the

49:02

people who actually matter to America. And unfortunately,

49:04

a lot of people in

49:06

DC feel like they're the center of

49:08

the universe, but the reality is the

49:10

small businesses that make up America are

49:12

what makes this country go. And so

49:14

we love supporting those businesses and redballoon.work.

49:17

We're part of this Freedom Economy and it

49:19

is a blast. So the water is nice,

49:21

jump right in. Ah, I love

49:23

it. I love it. And Andrew,

49:25

I love the ad. I

49:28

love that it points out exactly this ludicrous,

49:30

farcical nature. I mean, it's funny, but it's

49:32

also kind of pitiful. Talk

49:34

to us about exactly how redballoon works,

49:37

because we all know about those other

49:39

job search websites and such, and we

49:41

also know that they unfortunately have gone

49:43

woke. Does redballoon operate similarly,

49:45

whereas a job seeker, you can upload

49:48

a resume. As a job provider, you

49:50

can sift through resumes. You can search

49:52

by category and things like that. That's

49:55

right. So the big job boards in Indeed, and I'll name

49:57

one of them, they canceled answers in

49:59

Genesis. because they thought that Answers in

50:01

Genesis, which is a Christian organization, they have

50:03

the arcing counter, they canceled them because they're

50:05

Christian and they're conservative. And I think that's

50:08

wrong. And so we support the businesses like

50:10

that. If you're a business, it's really straightforward.

50:12

You can sign up, you can post your

50:14

jobs. We're gonna have tens of thousands of

50:16

job seekers looking at those jobs. And these

50:18

are people who have agreed that they're gonna

50:20

show up and not be a whiner and

50:22

work really hard. And if you're a job

50:24

seeker, everything is free for you. You can

50:26

fill out a profile, you can upload a

50:28

resume, you can download a lot of great

50:31

resources like the Employee Bill of Rights. And

50:33

you can use that to be a more

50:35

informed person participating in the labor

50:37

market. So all of that is free to the

50:39

job seeker. And so then the employer, they can

50:41

post their jobs. And then we have a resume

50:44

database that is growing by thousands every single week

50:46

of people who are looking for, to participate

50:48

in the freedom economy, who just want a

50:51

job where they are not gonna have their

50:53

values curve stopped, where they can be free.

50:55

And so every employer on redballoon.work

50:57

has signed a pledge that they think

50:59

the Constitution still matters and that they're

51:02

gonna protect the freedom of their current and

51:04

future employees. That doesn't sound that complicated. In

51:06

fact, every business in America should be able

51:08

to sign that pledge. But unfortunately, we're in

51:10

this very bifurcated world in America, but that's

51:13

okay. It's a great opportunity for all those

51:15

businesses who wanna hire people who are values

51:17

aligned. And redballoon, so post your job, look

51:19

at the resume database, or you can hand

51:21

over the hiring process to us. We'll help

51:24

you write your job posting, we'll do a

51:26

compensation review for you, we'll do a source

51:28

and screen. So we're gonna find people, we're

51:30

actually gonna do a first cultural interview for

51:33

you, so that you don't have to worry

51:35

about talking to someone who's gonna

51:37

give you a lawsuit for asking the wrong

51:39

questions in the interview. You know that the

51:41

redballoon team is just gonna take that over

51:43

for you. And you're only gonna talk to

51:45

values aligned, skillset matching people. Yeah,

51:47

it's an amazing thing you've done, Andrew. It's one of

51:50

the things that was missing from the freedom economy. You

51:52

filled that void, and you made our Christmas a lot

51:54

brighter. By the way, all future Justin

51:56

Hughes job postings, gonna be on redballoon. Andrew,

51:58

wanna wish you a merry Christmas. and a happy

52:00

new year. Thank you for what you're doing for our country and thanks for

52:02

joining us tonight. Thanks for having me. Merry Christmas.

52:05

All right, folks. What a great show. We want to wish

52:07

you and your families a blessed Christmas.