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podcast. ["The Protegini News

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Network"] And

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we are back with an all new

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episode of Keep It. Welcome

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to Pride Month. I'm Iron Madison

1:18

the Third. I'm Lewis Fertell or as

1:20

the Pope calls our podcast, the Frotegini

1:22

News Network. Um, I'll

1:24

get your faggotness from us.

1:27

Ooh, finally he spills. It's been

1:30

so many years since they have done any

1:32

truth telling over in the Vatican. And I

1:35

am really thrilled that word has gotten around

1:38

the way it did. He said there's enough

1:40

faggotness in the world of Catholicism

1:42

already. Anyway, it was very baffling,

1:45

but Frotegini, you

1:47

know, not since the movie Luca have I

1:49

studied Italian this much and it's

1:52

really sticking with me. Well, there were a couple

1:54

of Frotegini's and Luca, you know what I'm saying?

1:58

The creators deny it, but I... Gotta fill

2:01

up for our keep it listeners

2:03

will also be was doing the

2:05

be the same day on Hunter

2:07

Harris and paid in taxes do

2:09

part as we were also discussing

2:12

this hot topics about the pope

2:14

and the Vatican ants When I'm

2:16

really interested in the story wise

2:18

is there wasn't like an audio

2:21

recording or some lead so would

2:23

really happen is. Somebody.

2:25

Afterwards had to have been my. Sister's.

2:27

You hit with the Pope's. Where's

2:32

their story? Where is that limited? Seven

2:34

as a thousand and Eleven acquainted with

2:37

so case was others. It's baffling about

2:39

this is so fro to do they

2:41

means sag ness which I already. I'm

2:43

blown away by that translation. Do you

2:45

know what? the word the the actual

2:47

f word as in. Italian.

2:51

See. Nokia as in pinocchio

2:53

within us. How have I

2:55

now this word? I'd say Timothy Salomon.

2:57

Call me by your name. It's

3:03

so useful when you speak about a

3:05

product. Yao is a little swings about.

3:07

swing please down to the right and

3:09

of awards way down to the was.

3:13

Add that I would have dogs

3:15

use is on fire. I was

3:17

certainly San San Francisco and we're

3:19

talking about Darcy a job. Yeah,

3:22

I don't know if we need a new pinocchio,

3:24

but I'm actually very interested in a queer pinocchio.

3:26

Retired now? Yeah well I mean I'm sorry if

3:28

his name is gonna suck and rhyme with faggot.

3:30

can we get in on this? I'm interested to

3:32

see my heart attack upon their rights cause I

3:34

also like that we got into Dumbo last week

3:37

an hour into pinocchio. The I I didn't think

3:39

that we had a lot of queer things to

3:41

unearth here as us that work had been done

3:43

but I'm inference. Or

3:45

we Disney adults? Oh no. I

3:49

retire. I for myself as

3:51

a passer very me under

3:54

the jungle cruise queens. Okay

3:56

well speaking of old queen

3:59

size image. What about this? Elizabeth

4:01

Taylor Said you were all of our

4:03

listeners. Yeah it is a service as

4:05

Elizabeth Taylor but ah it is in

4:08

different colors. The pride colors as it

4:10

were just so as as the Elizabeth

4:12

Taylor. Estate reached out to me

4:14

on Instagram and it's a says Elizabeth Taylor

4:16

with a picture Melissa Taylor and the message

4:19

began Hi Louis at which point I said

4:21

i'm was. And

4:23

then they asked if I wanted summers from. It's called

4:26

House of Taylor This like the estate doesn't like the

4:28

with the tiller most and so this is a might

4:30

start with. Rainbow lettering of Elizabeth

4:32

Taylor. But it's not just ramble lettering.

4:34

there's pink letters and it to. And

4:36

I want to say that extra pride

4:39

points because the pride flag is. Of

4:41

course Gay and I upon a graph.

4:43

It. But. So are Crayola Marshall's

4:46

and this pink is exactly grail

4:48

of Ossicles Bank I'm I'm very thrilled

4:50

to were I've been thinking about

4:52

it was but to who I think

4:54

among celebrities. She's. One

4:56

of the where people were the more you know

4:58

about her the more you fucking love her at

5:01

the you can go deeper and deeper and deeper.

5:03

and her movies were both extremely classic and some

5:05

of them very weird. If you haven't seen boom

5:07

it's a very wouldn't be but obviously watch was

5:09

afraid of Virginia Woolf obviously much a place in

5:11

the sun. Suddenly. Last summer those

5:13

but it's as both a legitimate drama and

5:15

some gay camp. and all of these. So.

5:19

Very recommended it for this

5:21

pride month. Forgive and Elizabeth

5:23

Taylor Obviously right. Diamonds are

5:25

the fray grads. do you

5:27

recall? V one of these

5:29

to have the posters there at

5:31

the Abbey of the Blue Velvet

5:33

Martini. As. It were V

5:36

Elizabeth Taylor drink that was

5:38

made in honor of her

5:40

know ah it's a nod

5:42

to her film National Velvet.

5:44

Oh. Blue Valve. Okay so our source or I

5:46

by the way if you have not seen National

5:48

Love at it as such a sweet one, a

5:51

sports movie starring a woman and as you know

5:53

we have upwards three of those altogether. Night.

5:55

From there was one of my favorite supporting actress

5:57

winners and review replace her mother. Much of it.

6:00

Go ahead. I'm also and Angela Lansbury than

6:02

at last a mine. Anyway, go ahead what's

6:04

in the strength so it's a blue streak

6:06

obviously with vodka and blueberry snaps. Quaids.

6:09

I can picture her order as the Abbey

6:11

Where's by the way she would just go

6:13

sometimes. Yes, Ah, it was

6:16

David Cooley who own Abby of the time

6:18

I moved to L A about right or

6:20

after Elizabeth Taylor died and that's when the

6:22

drink was first debuted at the Abbey. and

6:24

it was a nod to her because she

6:26

used to just so up with her dog

6:28

if. I go to the

6:31

Abbey. Ah and apparently the Halloween

6:33

before she had died she came

6:35

and there was this allied around

6:37

the block or people to tom

6:39

and seats Elizabeth Taylor. Right?

6:42

But his his issues like a building you

6:44

can visit at one point in Allah don't

6:46

have just like golden age people sitting around

6:48

anymore you know I when I when I

6:50

was another leave of the other with we

6:52

were talking about the the world of exchanges

6:54

stories of say Dunaway being around town and

6:56

I guess technically you know she still with

6:58

us as a documentary coming out. some may

7:00

be so be visible again but that is

7:02

just so over that world of just have

7:04

somebody lingering around. L A has some queen

7:06

from the sixties. I'm double oscar winner oh

7:09

arm love it or leave it was he

7:11

I. Know guess ah some

7:13

what his ambitions are. While I

7:15

hope is good wherever he is

7:17

the best right? and Atlanta ass

7:19

kicking back on the sand if

7:21

he well. Just. So side

7:23

of the video footage words this man's on

7:25

mother or coworker. Appears to

7:28

be. On the television

7:30

series Survivor I will say as

7:32

somebody who has. Worked with

7:34

outwit with him at. Various.

7:37

Camps. By pressing

7:39

see that he has the raid to do this

7:42

arm. I've watched him work and you know I

7:44

already look a little bit like a villain and

7:46

sophie's choice like I've got that intensities. Your.

7:48

The cashier to get out the yeah I want her to

7:50

make a choice in on I'm saying. i'm

7:53

curious how far it'll take some i truly have

7:55

no guess how he will do it very interesting

7:57

to me yeah you know or front end Gloria

8:00

Ryan tweeted this, and she said, I don't

8:02

mean this in the mean way, love it

8:04

we're 100% have a villain edit on Survivor.

8:07

Well anybody who's whole thing is being a little

8:09

witty and frankly snarky, like there's

8:11

no hero version of that really, you know?

8:14

Yeah, also they showed a clip of him

8:16

and he was wearing a yellow sweater while

8:19

talking about, the last

8:21

time I was in the woods was like the Boy

8:23

Scouts, et cetera, whatever. I'm pretty sure that was a

8:25

Bodhi shirt that he was wearing. And

8:27

so, yeah, he's going

8:30

to be the LA villain, probably.

8:35

Or maybe not, but I hope that he at

8:37

least makes it to merge and

8:40

then jury so that can talk

8:42

about him on the show every week. If he

8:44

goes out early, then it's funny,

8:46

but then what do we have to talk

8:49

about? No, it's upsetting. I do want this to be

8:51

a serial. And also, as you know, I just love

8:53

describing the things he wears. In

8:55

a fashion police, Joan Rivers,

8:58

vintage fashion police way, when they were

9:01

truly bastardly, those were mean people they

9:03

just threw on television to insult

9:05

clothing. That's my

9:07

people. Who was it besides her? It

9:10

was like Brad Goresky would be with her. And

9:14

yeah, people of that, but Joan would always be the

9:16

meanest. I mean like Kerry Washington could wear something perfectly

9:18

benign and she would say, go to hell Kerry Washington.

9:20

I mean, it's so funny. I

9:24

miss that era, but I just was

9:26

recently rewatching I

9:29

was in Fire Island for a bit. And so

9:31

my friends had on Rachel's Zo

9:33

Project had just dropped on Peacock. So

9:35

they just were watching it all day

9:37

and revisiting the way

9:40

that people talked then, like

9:44

the way that she talked, but

9:46

that was a specific way that

9:49

gays and white women all

9:51

started talking that exact same way

9:53

during those years. And it was

9:57

really a shock hearing it again.

10:00

in my ears. Now, it sounds to

10:02

me like you're saying, like, very casual

10:04

use of, say, the word tranny. Yeah,

10:06

I mean, there's just tranny, but there's

10:08

also just the inflection and

10:10

the way people used to always say, like, you

10:12

know, like, if they're out of, like, almond milk

10:15

at the coffee shop, right? Something like, oh my

10:17

God, I'm gonna die, kill me. Yes.

10:20

Like, Valley Girl, kind of, but 2000s. Yeah.

10:23

Valley Girl but mundane and sort of

10:25

very deadpan, the

10:28

way everything was said. Paris Hilton.

10:30

Yeah. Those girls. Yeah, that really

10:32

became a whole ass vibe. In

10:35

fact, I think a lot of millennials, like, elder

10:37

millennials, people around our age, I

10:39

think are clinging to that. Like, those

10:41

were our halcyon days. Elgolden. Precisely. Now,

10:44

what the hell is going on with this episode? Well,

10:47

so, speaking of faggot Pinocchios,

10:51

we have the delightful,

10:53

the wonderful Lady Fag

10:55

joining us this week. New

10:58

York Nightlife Queen. I'm always at

11:00

her parties. As

11:03

she mentions in the interview, she was like, this is what

11:05

you look like in the daylight. She

11:07

seemed a little, she felt provoked.

11:10

I could tell it was novel to her. Yeah.

11:14

So, we're gonna talk to her a

11:17

bit this week. And then also, speaking

11:19

of another Queen of the

11:21

Gays, Lady Gaga dropped her

11:23

Chromatica Ball Tour concert finally

11:25

on HBO Max over the

11:27

Memorial Day weekend. This

11:30

concert was 10 years ago. I

11:32

was gonna say, this album came out in the

11:34

early 80s. I believe it competed with Christopher Cross

11:36

on the charts. I

11:41

guess we'll get into this, but quickly, at the

11:43

end of the Chromatica Ball, she just beams something

11:45

across the screen that says LG7 is coming or

11:47

whatever. And it's like, but first of all, of course

11:49

it is. You put

11:51

on, I'm sure a pop star? Just like a big

11:54

reveal. It's like, right. You put on albums anyway. Well,

11:56

there was a snippet of a new song. Right. As

11:59

well. So I mean, she's got

12:01

to get the gays rustled. You know, there's

12:03

the rumor that the album will be coming

12:06

this year prior to Joker, which I think

12:08

is a bit of a

12:10

shock to everyone because I thought that

12:12

she was entering her Rihanna era of

12:14

what's music? What

12:17

if I just gave you a bag and kind

12:19

of appeared every once in a while and I

12:21

seem to be pregnant always. Yeah. So

12:24

I thought that that's where we were going with

12:26

Gaga, but we'll get into this when we talk

12:28

about Karmatica, but it was honestly fun to

12:31

watch her perform again. Oh, no, you forget

12:33

that she's like one of our most dynamic

12:35

live acts with also so much concept behind

12:37

everything she does. We'll get into that. We

12:39

also will talk about the other queen of

12:42

the gay is Ms. Garfield. She

12:45

has a movie out. And

12:47

she has Furiosa. And

12:49

no one really cares. You and that tweet.

12:52

Guys, I rarely would say, as me, you

12:54

know, Louis Vertel is like one of the

12:56

more humble podcasters when

12:58

I ate with this fucking tweet

13:01

and called that release lasagna Taylor

13:03

joy. You girls were on

13:05

the floor beneath me. You were eating the

13:07

floor as I, Louis, ascended. That was a

13:09

good one. Yeah, right. I did not see

13:11

either of those films. Maybe

13:14

I'm the problem with cinema

13:16

right now. I'm helping to kill the

13:18

movies. Well, I'm excited

13:21

to read Scorsese's essay about you. Yes.

13:23

Yeah. I think the

13:26

state of the movie is also this episode.

13:28

So we'll be right back. One

13:30

more. We

13:37

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14:07

New episodes release every Monday wherever you get

14:09

your podcasts and know a new to. Work

14:19

that are tax money ran out

14:21

because Lady Gaga has returned to

14:24

her music career and dropped Garda

14:26

Chromatic cobol migraine on me. Tsunami

14:28

Go had. The

14:31

new film captures the L a

14:34

stop of hurts when she twenty

14:36

two chromatic it's Or and was

14:38

directed produced an created by Stephanie

14:40

German after herself a Sali up

14:42

I don't know the word for

14:45

single in France, does her. As

14:48

the first you know see definitely

14:50

new. For. How to say

14:53

fact in this in Italian? I

14:55

was wearing draw from New York policy not

14:57

launched that on us. Yeah, her also probably

14:59

says it. actually. Joanne probably said it all.

15:01

The talk at Assess Assess Assess Assess the

15:03

album. I'm serious about why did we get

15:06

that burden and so add. Was

15:08

he said this to was back to see.

15:11

Oh and that's about her previous albums and

15:13

that's why. Dog On Me Juri On a

15:15

traditional it's finally Guests On Earth. Could you

15:17

surprised by the way that we got in

15:20

this movie? like a couple of songs from

15:22

Joanne and then I don't believe a single

15:24

song. From our pop yeah that betrays

15:26

Ipa I saw. Can get it?

15:29

Yeah, I don't get it. Seems

15:31

to pretend that whole era doesn't

15:33

exist. Which spine she was cavorting

15:35

on stage with our county? permissible

15:37

and perspective. Not a great era.

15:39

Yeah yeah. see was are giving

15:41

a lot of Kate Moss vibes

15:43

if you know what I mean.

15:45

okay sorry mess arabs who it

15:47

was. She was. Our. Part

15:49

was a home sorry and i

15:51

think that see his arm so

15:53

revisit it. At some

15:55

point. but right now or pop seems to

15:57

be dead. right soaked medical starts

15:59

and she immediately does in a kind

16:02

of surprising move I think bad romance

16:04

into jazz dance into poker face. I

16:06

mean like truly clearing out like the

16:09

most legendary part of her catalog

16:11

immediately. But something about this concert

16:14

special that that was so amazing and it

16:17

speaks to a well she can go back to

16:19

time and again that works for her specifically when

16:22

she leans into sci-fi it works

16:24

so well. The look of this

16:26

tour especially at the beginning it's

16:28

a very B-movie from the 50s

16:31

60s where it's everything's like Logan's

16:33

Run or Barbarella like

16:35

the giant shoulder appliqués the epaulettes

16:37

the vague monster movie vibe that's

16:40

something that weirdly no other pop

16:42

star can do and lean into

16:44

and find a lot of cool

16:47

comedy in and even like when you think

16:49

of the way she's overlapped with like Madonna's

16:52

various iterations over the years Madonna never did

16:54

anything like sci-fi you know

16:56

like bedtime story like leans into it a little

16:58

bit but not really she really in

17:00

that universe has found her own specific thing and

17:02

I think the best parts of the whole movie

17:06

are when she is wearing for instance like

17:08

a lizard goblin headpiece and just turns her

17:10

head a little bit it's so funny and

17:12

I think she is funny and you can

17:15

lose sight of that in the midst of

17:17

the somewhat self-serious moment she also has on

17:20

stage where she like has to command all of us

17:22

to love ourselves. I'm not saying that's not important I'm

17:24

just saying some of us got to

17:26

be gay adults and we did the work already can we

17:28

move on you know what I'm saying yeah you know RuPaul

17:30

says it every week right which is like our church right

17:33

so we get that in the mistletoe every week and

17:35

we're reading it and reciting it yeah

17:37

I love just the costumes I love

17:39

just the energy of the show she

17:42

does have such a massive catalog she's

17:44

such a great performer that she

17:47

can open the show with that yeah

17:49

honestly I will say though

17:52

that the end of the show

17:55

didn't really hit for me as much as

17:57

it did when I saw the Chromatica tour.

18:00

So I saw the chromatica tour, we discussed this in 2022, of

18:02

course, in Paris. I

18:05

saw it after my friend's wedding and

18:07

took the little Eurostar down

18:10

to Paris and saw Les

18:12

Gagas show. Okay, Juliette

18:14

Benoche. Yeah, go ahead. She

18:18

closed out the show with Hold My Hand at

18:20

the time because Top Gun was massive. She did

18:22

that song in it and we didn't really care

18:24

about that song, but I posited that the song

18:27

was major in a stadium

18:29

moment when she performed it

18:32

at the end of her concert. But that

18:35

doesn't really translate two

18:38

years later watching it on

18:40

HBO. I was just sort of like,

18:43

okay, here's this song. I

18:45

barely realized she was wearing this big

18:47

claw hand. Yes, very vega

18:50

from Street Fighter. Yes. And

18:53

so that just sort

18:55

of hit with a little thud to

18:57

me, mostly because after the chromatica tour,

19:00

she sort of vanished from giving a fuck about music. She was

19:03

in her nertec land. She was doing

19:05

Joker, Foley, Adieu. And

19:08

so we never really even

19:10

got any more performances of that

19:12

song. I forgot that song existed. When

19:14

she started to tear into it, it took me

19:17

two extra beats to place it, actually. Then I

19:19

was like, oh, yeah, right, Top Gun Maverick. And

19:21

obviously she was in fact nominated for an Oscar

19:23

for it. Probably was a serious contender for the

19:25

win, but that was also the year of Natu

19:27

Natu, which took over immediately and won

19:30

the Oscar eventually. But yeah,

19:33

I don't think it has a lot of lasting power

19:35

in her catalog. It doesn't feel like something I'm going

19:37

to return to and be like, oh, I

19:39

have to hear that in concert, even though, of course, she can

19:41

belt. God, can she belt? Like

19:43

the vocals are so amazing at this concert.

19:45

And I have to say this is a

19:47

tour that really benefits from not being overexposed,

19:51

not to say that like Erez and

19:53

the Renaissance tour are overexposed. Erez,

19:55

I believe, is still going on. In fact, we're

19:58

just going to keep getting Erez. as

20:00

I understand it. But like

20:04

you are aware of those as massive pop-cultural

20:06

moments or whatever and Chromatica sort of has

20:08

slipped under the radar both as

20:10

an album and as a tour. So to revisit

20:12

it and realize oh there's so much going on

20:15

here and so it has

20:17

as much levity as it does seriousness.

20:20

Just impressive top to bottom. I

20:23

think another reason for that is that the tour was in 2022

20:25

and I think that 2023 was really a big year for Renaissance

20:27

tour, Aeris

20:31

tour, even Madonna's tour on TikTok

20:33

constantly like TikTok or Reels. The

20:36

Madonna tour was on Reels because

20:38

her fans are old. So

20:42

you were constantly inundated with this

20:44

concert footage right and unless you

20:46

specifically followed faggots who were going

20:48

to the Chromatica tour you

20:51

weren't seeing that content all the time and

20:53

it was pretty localized too. There weren't

20:56

a lot of people who I knew who

20:58

were traveling to Europe to

21:00

see the show. For instance the way I

21:04

and several people did for Renaissance

21:06

tour and then people also did

21:08

for Aeris just because 2023

21:11

was also the sort of damn

21:13

breaking of the whole Ticketmaster Monopoly shit

21:15

which is now of course led to

21:17

the lawsuit. That was just sort of

21:20

when everyone was like rent's too damn

21:22

high. Concerts are

21:24

too fucking expensive in the US. We're

21:26

going to travel to see these and

21:28

Chromatica was sort of like the year

21:30

before all of that happens. Now it

21:32

sounds like this is a way to

21:34

get into the real topic at hand

21:36

which is JLo canceling her tour. Let

21:41

me stop laughing because some people get

21:43

it wrong online when I make jokes

21:45

about JLo. That is my Leo sister.

21:48

I love JLo down. I remember telling you

21:50

back in the day when we went to

21:53

see JLo in Vegas I was like you

21:55

are going to love it. She's amazing. She's

21:57

a consummate performer and she is.

22:00

And it is so weird to see

22:04

this backlash to J.Lo happening because

22:07

all she did was release some projects.

22:09

You know, she was... The moment from

22:11

Hustlers to now could not... There could

22:13

not be a wider

22:16

valley. Yeah, right. No, she was

22:18

like... We were like, oh, she's on

22:20

track to get an Oscar nomination. And she had the

22:22

incredible Super Bowl moment with Shakira, one of my favorite

22:24

halftime shows ever. And then these projects...

22:26

I will say, and we talked about her

22:30

weird Moonwalker movie, it

22:32

was admirable in a way. And there

22:34

was a lot going on and she obviously funded it herself,

22:36

like cool, whatever. But

22:39

it just didn't stick. She didn't have literally

22:41

one pop hook you needed to remember

22:43

the era by. And

22:46

I do think it was a bit of

22:48

a folly to book a stadium immediately after

22:50

that. Obviously she is a huge superstar. But

22:54

I think also... I think of when we saw

22:56

her in Vegas where I was just right underneath

22:58

her. And obviously that's a pretty big room, but

23:01

not a stadium size room. That to

23:03

me is perfect for J.Lo because she's larger

23:05

than life as a celebrity, but not as

23:07

a performer, even though she outlasts the entire

23:09

room. She will dance you down. The woman

23:11

is, I mean, as I do not need

23:14

to report, so in shape, it's

23:16

wild. She looks like she's made out of

23:18

adamantium. Right. Someone asked me this

23:20

weekend, what do you think J.Lo is doing right now?

23:22

And I said, honestly, the bitch is probably at the

23:24

gym. Right. No, she

23:26

is focused. She is always in

23:28

training for the upcoming apocalypse. So

23:32

like I will find J.Lo when

23:34

the aliens arrive. Okay. She

23:36

is going to survive. No, she is on the stepping

23:38

machine and taking a call. Yeah.

23:42

You know, I just started using the Stairmaster recently.

23:45

It's never been a thing that I've used in

23:47

the gym before. And now I kind of love

23:49

it. It's very entrancing. You know,

23:51

you just kind of get into it and you

23:53

accept the pain of it eventually, even though it

23:55

is, you know, like prison labor. Yeah, it is.

23:58

And I think it's become this trend. because

24:00

everyone is always tweeting about using the

24:02

Stairmaster and people doing their... I have

24:05

my 20-minute Stairmaster routine every day. I

24:07

don't know about that, but shout

24:09

out to them. Sure, yes. But

24:13

speaking of aliens and being in

24:15

shape, right? JLo, part of the

24:17

other problem is... Do

24:20

we want to see her in shit like Atlas?

24:22

Well, apparently half of America just went and

24:25

signed on for it because it's like the

24:27

biggest movie at Netflix right now. You open

24:29

that app and it just starts playing, okay?

24:31

Like, I watched half of

24:33

Tires before I realized what was

24:35

happening. No, please. Netflix is shady

24:37

and strange. No. And also,

24:40

excuse me, I saw the trailer for this movie and

24:42

it looks like a Sega Saturn cutscene. Excuse me? What?

24:45

She's in like a... She's in like

24:47

a Power Rangers Ultra Zord like contraption, like

24:50

walking around? She just

24:52

picks the weirdest fucking things to do. It reminds me

24:54

of when she did that show, Shades of Blue for,

24:56

I don't know, however many seasons. Was that like a

24:58

part of a Rumpelstiltskin curse? Why would she do that?

25:03

She is obviously

25:06

a consummate, Leo, because she is very

25:08

much sort of enamored

25:10

with her own mythology and just the

25:12

idea that she is this serious actress.

25:15

I feel like part of the reason why

25:17

she works is she thinks she's a different

25:19

actress than she actually is. And

25:22

it's... We just want to

25:24

see you playing an Italian woman married

25:26

to a white man, okay? Like, give

25:28

us a rom-com again. Yeah, right. Give

25:30

us one of those or

25:32

give us a boy next door type

25:35

or something, you know? I think that

25:38

that is what we want from her.

25:40

We want sort of the schlock, the

25:42

romance, because she's... Jayla was a girl's

25:44

girl, you know? She doesn't really seem

25:46

like a girl's girl because

25:48

I don't even know if she has her best friend, Leah

25:51

Remini, at this point, which

25:53

I just discovered that they had a falling out.

25:55

And I think it's because Jayla's dad is in

25:57

Scientology. Really? Hasn't

26:00

Lea initially reeled him in? No,

26:04

that they reeled him in, but I think

26:06

that they were, when Lea might have been

26:09

in or whatever, I think that they were

26:11

mad at her for not

26:13

converting J.Lo to Scientology. Oh, yeah. They

26:15

do seem to like having new celebrities

26:17

involved in Scientology over at Scientology. Baby,

26:20

if J.Lo had joined, that would have been hot for

26:23

them. Okay? But like I would have signed

26:25

up. Oh, please. I would be on

26:27

the six to the center. Other

26:30

side note about Scientology, it's fun

26:32

seeing people pre-Scientology. There was just

26:34

a photo of Madonna's

26:37

wedding to Sean Penn that was

26:39

going viral around like

26:42

a limo with Tom Cruise in it back

26:44

in like 86 doing poppers with Keith Haring

26:46

in the limo. What did you

26:49

just fucking say to me? Sniffing poppers with Keith

26:51

Haring in the limo. Tom Cruise? Please look this

26:53

up. What? Yes. Did

26:55

you draw this? Is this a real picture? I've

26:58

been bedeviled by AI once and twice. Don't

27:01

even start with me about this. It is

27:03

Tom Cruise and Keith Haring doing poppers in

27:05

the limo on the way to

27:07

Madonna and Sean Penn's wedding. And it reminds

27:09

me that honestly, if he hadn't gotten into

27:12

Scientology, Tom Cruise would

27:14

have been like a very

27:16

light, cool, weird celebrity. He

27:18

is weird and still cool,

27:21

but menacing. Right. There's

27:23

just a slight demented quality

27:25

to Tom Cruise always, as in like somebody

27:27

got to him and it feels like Scientology

27:29

and he has this old kooky math system,

27:32

science system going on in his head. But

27:34

you're right. Also, Keith Haring, what a way

27:36

to live in your what, 30 years on

27:38

this planet. Oh my God. Yeah, he did

27:40

it all. Yeah.

27:42

What else was there left to do? Yeah.

27:47

But no, J.Lo is just sort of like this

27:49

is the vibe that we want from

27:51

her. You know, she seems like she's always trying

27:53

to remind us that she's just the growth of

27:55

the Bronx. You know, I took

27:57

the six every day. But that.

27:59

That is her vibe, you know? You want

28:02

to watch movies where she seems relatable enough,

28:04

where Made in Manhattan, The Wedding Planner, etc.

28:06

Or Hustlers, where she has female friends, yeah.

28:08

Actually, that's a very good point. She has

28:11

like the female friends and hustlers, right? And

28:13

all of her other rom-coms. And when you

28:15

think about that movie, about her life, the

28:19

This Is Me Now, Then,

28:21

whatever, the

28:24

friend group in that movie

28:26

seems so fake. Totally. It's

28:29

just like, here's a couple gay people, here's

28:31

a woman. It felt very, you know, Central

28:37

casting. focus groups. Yeah, yeah. Central

28:39

casting, focus groups. And it didn't

28:41

make J. Lo's life look

28:46

alluring or enticing or like you want it to

28:48

be a part of it. No, no, no. You're

28:50

right. It wasn't relatable. And she does achieve relatability

28:52

in her best moments, I think. Even though, as

28:54

you know, my least favorite thing an artist can

28:57

do is claim, in an attempt

28:59

to have a rat identity, I'm from somewhere.

29:01

I fucking hate

29:03

that. That used to be Barbra Streisand's thing,

29:05

it's kind of J. Lo's thing. Madonna only

29:07

says I left Detroit and she's disparaging about

29:09

it. This makes her like, advanced

29:12

in this arena. Like if you make fun of

29:14

where you're from, love that. Yeah, she was really

29:16

good at the relatability in these roles, though. And

29:18

then when you'd see regular J. Lo in her

29:21

public life, with all these marriages, etc. And

29:23

then just sort of like being this larger

29:26

than life celebrity, that was a fun contrast,

29:28

I feel like. But it feels like, I

29:30

don't know, the balloon popped. And

29:33

now we're just sort of back to square

29:35

one with her. And I

29:37

don't know, she just needs a little break. And then we need

29:39

to see her do anything

29:41

else. Yeah, she needs a new chapter. I don't know what

29:43

the next new thing she can do is because she kind

29:45

of has done it all at this point. And

29:48

like, obviously, the new attempt at a concert tour

29:50

has failed. So I don't know, I'm

29:52

curious what her next move is. I believe she could

29:54

do it. Is she just, is she worked with a

29:56

fun producer again, even the Scott

29:58

Storch, you know, and and released a song,

30:00

I'm sure people would enjoy it. The

30:03

problem really was that album just wasn't great. No,

30:05

it wasn't, no. I mean, I gave it a

30:07

shot. I enjoyed J. Loeweld. I think every song

30:10

on On the Six is great. I

30:12

think the albums after that are all not

30:15

good aside from the singles

30:17

on the albums. And I think this one didn't even have the

30:19

single. But anyway, which by the

30:21

way, let's take this back to Chromatica quickly

30:24

before we peace out. Really,

30:27

almost no songs on that album I dislike

30:29

replay I have my issues with, but it

30:31

was nice to revisit all of those songs.

30:33

Really, it's a top to bottom exciting

30:36

album. And I like how it was

30:38

realized on stage, namely Babylon, like how

30:40

she didn't really do voguing, but it

30:42

was like, you know, the sci-fi tinge,

30:44

little walk like an Egyptian kind of

30:46

moves going on. That was fun. Well,

30:48

fuck her for excluding Plastic Doll, my

30:50

favorite song on Chromatica. I love Plastic

30:53

Doll, yes. Also, it was very cool

30:55

to see her sing parts of other

30:57

people. Like she sang the

30:59

sour candy, black pink parts. That

31:01

was cool to see. And I

31:03

also liked her doing the Jackson

31:05

main parts of Shallow, which I

31:09

underestimated we would get as part of the Chromatic tour, but

31:12

fabulous concert. We don't really have many

31:14

Gaga covers, do we? No,

31:17

I'm recently obsessed with a couple

31:19

of Madonna covers, which by the way, we

31:21

don't get a lot of the time either.

31:23

So I hope people, the thing with Gaga

31:25

is the vocals are so extreme or excellent.

31:28

Why would you cover them? You know what I mean? It's

31:30

like covering Whitney Houston. There's only a couple of them. Well,

31:34

that too, but I mostly meant from her own

31:36

concerts, like we don't really get her doing covers

31:38

of other music. Oh, no, which is so weird.

31:40

And I love the ones I can think of.

31:42

She collaborated with Sting one time on a cover

31:44

of King of Pain that I think is one

31:46

of her most underrated live moments. But

31:49

I think that what I really love about

31:51

maybe the Renaissance tour is that Beyonce is

31:54

still sort of devoted to the idea of

31:58

honoring songs that she loves. and

32:00

musicians that she loves. So when she

32:02

does a cover, whether it's Tina

32:04

Turner on Renaissance Tour or

32:07

you know, doing Kings of Leon Sex is

32:09

on Fire, doing Alanis Morissette, you know, it's

32:11

just always fun hearing an artist

32:14

you love who can perform, perform

32:16

another artist's songs. And it sort of like either

32:19

elevates it or gives you like a new different

32:21

vibe of it. And I don't know, hearing her

32:23

sing those parts of Sour Candy, hearing her sing

32:25

the Jackson Maine parts, I think it would be

32:27

fun to hear Gaga sort of take

32:30

on another artist's songs, you know, like a

32:32

Lou Reed or maybe like some other country

32:34

artist. Right. No, also, it just tells you

32:36

so much about the artist, like what they

32:38

value and like remember from probably

32:40

growing up. You know what I mean? It

32:42

does a lot more than, for example, insisting

32:44

you're from the Bronx. Yeah.

32:51

All right. Well, I'm gonna now

32:53

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32:55

the Italian girl from New York

32:57

runs into Jennifer from the Bronx

32:59

and they get into Adventures in

33:01

the City. What if I shake

33:03

it up? Okay.

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37:20

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37:23

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it, Ladyfag. Wow,

37:34

that made me sound much simpler than

37:36

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37:38

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37:40

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37:43

I know. It might

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37:48

huh? What? This is

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what he does during the day.

37:52

Impressive. We're

37:55

in the throes of pride month. Is this like

37:57

both the best and worst time of your year?

37:59

Like are you- like, oh, God, I'm at wit's end.

38:01

These queens are keeping me up and out,

38:03

and I hate them. Yeah, it's very, it's

38:05

my party, and I'll cry if I want

38:07

to over here. Leslie Gore is always in

38:09

vogue for Pride Month, yes. Yeah,

38:12

I mean, honestly, people are just like, oh, are

38:14

you having fun? I'm like, do I really ever

38:17

have fun? I'm just glad everyone else is having

38:19

fun. But happy Pride. So

38:21

yes, I do love saying that over

38:23

and over. But it's kind

38:26

of like the weekend. Everyone's like, oh,

38:28

it's the weekend. Like, that's when I

38:31

work. So for me, it's a bit

38:33

opposite. Yes, of course, I

38:35

love it. But this is the stressful month

38:37

for me. So well, congrats

38:39

on looking extremely upright and afloat and willing

38:41

to take I like I literally stayed out

38:44

late last weekend and I feel like a

38:46

fucking corpse. So I don't understand how you

38:48

do it. Oh, you look fine.

38:50

Well, that's good. I would not

38:52

be on video if it was after an event. So

38:54

there's that. I

38:57

want to talk about Ladyland the

39:00

festival. It's so interesting because Lewis is talking

39:02

about like he was up this weekend because

39:04

Pride just happened in L.A. And

39:07

basically you have to throw a

39:09

festival now to compete with everything

39:11

that's going on for Pride. So

39:13

how did you sort of

39:16

conceive the idea of we're going to throw

39:18

this thing and it's going to be major

39:20

and we've got people like Tanashe coming to

39:22

perform now? Um,

39:25

honestly, when I started it,

39:27

there weren't really all these festivals that happened

39:29

now and I kept being like,

39:31

you know, I'd always want to go to festivals and

39:34

no one really wanted to go to them. It wasn't

39:36

really what gays kind of did, you know, unless it

39:38

was really somebody that you wanted to

39:40

see a, you know, straight

39:42

festival. Maybe people would go to Coachella, but that would

39:44

be the extent of it. And I

39:46

was like, I don't understand why there's not like cool queer

39:49

festivals. Everything was like, you know, very,

39:52

very Not a

39:54

bad thing. It would be circuit. And Then there'd be

39:56

like a gay pop star. That was basically the MO

39:58

for, you know, all. A

40:00

big Pride events as like it's so strange.

40:02

Like why don't we have our own code?

40:04

Shayla. So. I

40:07

just decided. To try to do on.

40:09

and I didn't think there was anything that weird

40:11

about it until someone did an interview for the

40:13

first one and they were like. You

40:15

know is an industry. Interview.

40:18

And they were like okay, watch, how did you can?

40:20

Even who do you work with? Are you working with

40:23

live nations? What agency are you from? Like where did

40:25

you want to know? Where's where's your festival in your

40:27

concert experience And I was like. I

40:29

don't have any. Bookstore.

40:32

You're working with I'm like oh me in

40:35

this. One other person or in our

40:37

kitchen right now and still I Paul who's funding

40:39

this on like I some. Credit for

40:41

help and I literally didn't

40:43

understand. That it was a big deal on their

40:45

own boss or did you get even as like she's

40:47

a friend of mine are there were like. Okay,

40:50

And they were so consumers and so was

40:52

I. And then once we pulled it off

40:54

as like a fully set actually, how did

40:56

I pull that off? And maybe. It's you know

40:58

I guess is that thing. Maybe if I would have thought

41:00

about it more I would have been too scared to do

41:02

it. So thank god I didn't. Didn't I just

41:04

went ahead and try doing it the

41:07

first year and you know, obviously it's

41:09

grown since then. But yeah, there wasn't

41:11

really. Anything kind

41:13

of like that. At. The time.

41:15

So we did it. Were.

41:18

There is a whole we liked to sell

41:20

it those. Alexander Barnardos always are

41:22

mostly pronouns job. On

41:25

a lot of all year round

41:27

Ssl Armada you gave an interview

41:29

summit recently where you talked about

41:32

how. Throwing. A party is

41:34

just sobbing, a series of problems and of the

41:36

end you throw a party. Now that sounds like

41:38

how on earth to me, but can you know

41:40

when you have a Wednesday and talk about. As.

41:43

Just a general string of problems

41:45

you will encounter while putting together

41:47

just an occasion for queer people

41:49

to be together. I

41:51

mean everything is a problem. Armed

41:54

since I had some. You

41:57

know if you're not dealing with it and

41:59

see. issues and that would come

42:01

from your artists or it comes from

42:03

your guests or it comes

42:06

from the authorities and there are so many

42:08

levels of authorities that you don't realize exist

42:12

in trying to please when you're doing things. You

42:16

know, not that we try to

42:18

please everyone because that's utterly impossible, I've learned,

42:21

but we do try to please people. And

42:24

so it's, you know, I mean, there's, there's

42:27

always something. I mean, you hear, you actually

42:29

hear, I don't know if you can hear,

42:32

but there's fire trucks going by. I mean,

42:34

we've had that pull up to our events

42:36

before. There's just always something that's going to

42:38

go wrong. There's

42:40

always, you know, I've

42:42

never had an event

42:45

be problem free and you

42:47

have to basically be at the event and

42:49

be pretending like everything is going so well

42:51

and really you're literally talking to someone going

42:53

so nice to see you and then you're

42:55

literally on your like headphone on the other side

42:57

going, holy shit, can you, somebody open the back

42:59

door? And there's just always something going wrong. And

43:02

there's, you know, and that's even

43:04

before you put in all the egos

43:07

of all the divas that you're bringing to the

43:09

stage, there's always something going wrong. And then you

43:11

add that in and then you're really best. So

43:14

yeah, really we look at events opposite. We don't

43:16

look at an event is this is this amazing

43:18

event. We look at it as a huge problem

43:21

and we just try to solve a lot of

43:23

problems so that when you get to the event,

43:25

you won't feel that there's any problems. It's a

43:27

facade, it's smoke and mirrors. I

43:29

also said you described it as tears of

43:31

divas. Like you're just encountering divas at every

43:33

single level coming at you from all directions.

43:36

It's like the kill bill being surrounded by

43:38

88 of them at once or whatever. It

43:40

really is. Because sometimes not to

43:42

say, you know, we try to work with

43:44

primarily gay people, but sometimes you have to work with

43:46

some straight people. Oh, no. Sometimes,

43:49

you know, fire department or whatnot or

43:51

the people, you know, getting you your permits, they might

43:53

be straight people. We like them too. But

43:55

it's always interesting when you work with them because then

43:57

you realize like how the. Our

44:02

community can be because you realize like how

44:04

many problems come up and then you're like,

44:07

oh, God. And it's kind of like that thing where you're

44:09

embarrassed of your own family. Sometimes you're like, oh my God,

44:11

I can't believe they're actually this way. And you're like, you

44:14

know, if you have a drag queen who's like, you

44:16

know, a local drag queen, come up

44:18

and, you know, tell the venue, I

44:20

need X, X, X. And you're like, okay,

44:22

Whitney Houston. You know what I mean? And

44:24

you're like, you're like, these are people who

44:26

deal with like the biggest, you know, these,

44:29

and then you'll get some like, you know,

44:31

local drag queen literally thinking she's Madonna,

44:33

which is also part of why

44:36

that local drag queen is probably

44:38

so fabulous because she believes she's

44:40

Madonna and she should. And

44:43

so we indulge all that kind of

44:45

behavior because I think it's kind

44:47

of fabulous. But at the same

44:49

time, when you're working with, you

44:51

know, people in the event industry who might

44:54

not be so gay, they sometimes

44:56

are like, what the hell is going

44:58

on with these people? So

45:00

it's an interesting ride trying to

45:03

work in the real world. In

45:06

our little office here of gayness, everything

45:08

seems pretty normal until we take it

45:10

out to the real world. So we try not to do

45:13

that very much. Smart. I think

45:15

about when, you know, a lot of our

45:17

listeners too who aren't in New York, when

45:19

they're taking in New York culture, nightlife, you

45:21

know, you obviously have films like Party Girl

45:23

or, you know, with 200 cigarettes and things

45:25

like that. But take us

45:27

back to when you stepped foot in

45:30

New York, the first party you're at,

45:33

what was it about the party

45:35

that made you feel like, one,

45:37

I love going to this shit. And then two,

45:39

where was the point where you were like, I

45:42

can also throw my own. Well,

45:45

I remember this is, oh, this is almost

45:48

20 years ago. And I walked

45:50

into hero ballroom on a Sunday night

45:52

and my mind, my mind was blown. I

45:54

was like, this is the Sunday night. Like,

45:57

wow. Like that. I

46:00

think I want to stay here. And I

46:02

remember I didn't know anybody and I was

46:04

like partying all night, just dancing, having the

46:07

best time. I was sober because I couldn't

46:09

even afford a cocktail and no money and

46:12

just fine. It was fun anyways. And

46:14

then at the end, the lights came on. I

46:16

was definitely one of the last people there. And I

46:18

was like, I'm going to absorb

46:21

every moment of this amazingness. And these

46:23

guys were like, Oh, we're

46:26

going to APT next. Do you want to

46:28

come with us? You're fab. And I was

46:30

like, Oh, thanks. What's that? And I'd never

46:32

even heard of it. And so

46:35

I go in a car with like three random

46:37

strangers and they take me to APT

46:39

and Xander is standing at the door.

46:41

And I was

46:43

like, I was like kind of nervous because I could

46:45

tell people weren't getting in and I didn't know one

46:47

person. And I was like, kind

46:50

of talking to him. And I remember I touched

46:52

his neck with his makeup. Please don't touch the

46:55

jewelry. He's like, you

46:57

look amazing. Come in. And so all of a

47:00

sudden I go into this basement and there's

47:03

like, you know, probably like 500 people

47:05

in a space that fits a hundred with

47:08

feelings that felt that like, you know, they

47:10

might've been like five foot tall. They were so

47:12

short. He felt like you were crushed underneath them.

47:14

And it was, you know, it

47:18

opened my eyes to a whole new world and

47:20

I've never left that world. So,

47:24

so yeah, that's, that's my nightlife

47:26

story. Basically. Well, it's

47:28

not really my nightlife story. That was, that was one

47:30

of my nightlife stories. I guess my nightlife story was,

47:35

do you remember Duvet? It was

47:38

a club that had beds

47:40

in it. Great concept. Yes.

47:45

Somebody's got to bring that concept back. It

47:47

was a great concept. Yeah.

47:49

I went to this party Duvet same

47:52

thing. Didn't know anyone, had

47:54

no money. And Kenny,

47:56

Kenny, I remember he came up and gave me a dream ticket and I

47:58

was like, Oh my God, I can. I'm have a pop

48:01

charts. And. Always!

48:03

You know I had fun that night and I

48:05

remember I was dancing on the floor and just

48:07

doing a. Crazy. Floor So

48:09

when he came up to me and was

48:11

i get tenure you I get you know

48:13

what's your name and he was like two

48:15

hundred deaths from it As as Happy Valley

48:17

and up the time Happy Valley was like

48:19

the big club and on. Him

48:21

audience is used to. Be the want

48:23

the girl and ago though cage and like while

48:25

she was so major and as like sample we

48:28

wanted to be allowed to do this and remember

48:30

I like it. Stood up and I

48:32

was like. So. In shock and

48:34

I overheard i'm going to i think

48:36

upset with Michael Musto. She's.

48:39

Like some Krajina amazon and then

48:41

it's world has received like. But.

48:43

I think I like to. Success.

48:47

And then they stopped me in a cage way

48:49

up in the sky and. I go

48:51

go dance to and then I came out and he

48:54

was like. You've got the

48:56

job. And. Then that was it. And so.

48:58

I started Go Go Dancing every Tuesday

49:01

night for Kenny Chesney and Suzanne. For.

49:03

A hundred bucks. An hour

49:05

is it sets of books and stuff I remember.

49:07

Every week I would like take the subway because

49:10

I couldn't afford to take the car both ways.

49:12

Home And where The trench coat over my

49:14

bathing suit so that I wouldn't get attacked.

49:16

On the way and to the club so.

49:19

You know we all start somewhere and not

49:22

for I started to discuss slasher attire. I

49:24

love it! Basically. A

49:26

flash. Retire new as somebody who's done

49:28

this. Know you As you said road

49:30

twenty years. What do you find that.

49:33

From credible be all Borough of New

49:35

York parting people are still trying to

49:38

incorporate into new parties and how and

49:40

opposing we. How are parties today better

49:42

than they were twenty years ago? Everything.

49:46

Always just changes at constantly in flux

49:48

as it should be. I mean you

49:50

know I'd definitely. Absolutely.

49:53

Hate. Not that that's that you asked me.

49:55

The whole conversations have anything. yikes the opposite.

49:57

Why was it better before? Like I think?

50:00

nostalgia could be so dangerous, you

50:02

know, where people live in the

50:04

past, things are whatever they are

50:07

at the moment, you only look at things when you

50:09

look at them from from back there. Not that I

50:11

don't, you know, always have visions of, you

50:13

know, seeing Grace Jones appear in the middle

50:15

of the night in the middle of a rave somewhere that I

50:17

paid $5 to get into. Sure, that's,

50:21

that's a great fantasy. That doesn't

50:23

fully exist right now. But we have

50:25

our moments like that, too. So I think,

50:28

you know, I think things always change. And

50:30

they always rise to the occasion. And like

50:32

right now, I think nightlife is incredible.

50:34

You know, it does have its little ups and downs,

50:37

you know, but I think post

50:39

pandemic, if we want to talk about

50:41

the present, post pandemic, I feel like

50:43

New York City is so alive again.

50:45

And there's just really, it's a matter

50:47

of deciding what you want to do

50:49

on any given night. And that's what,

50:52

you know, so incredible about living in

50:54

New York City, you know, yeah, I've

50:56

noticed a lot of the same too,

50:58

you know, being back in the city

51:00

post pandemic. Whenever someone comes to

51:02

visit to there's always something going on. And

51:05

I have to wonder, with

51:07

so many parties going on. How

51:10

do you feel like people even figure out

51:12

like, what are the ones you should be

51:14

going to? We're past the days of passing

51:17

out flyers to people. But also, should we

51:19

bring that back? Because it's fun when you

51:21

see a flyer on Instagram, but people scroll

51:23

right past that, you know, and it's not

51:26

different from being handed one the way that

51:28

people used to. Well,

51:30

maybe I'm gonna age myself

51:33

as granny over here, but we flyers

51:38

as well. I think people still do that.

51:40

But I love a postcard. I love going

51:42

to the club and getting a postcard and

51:45

you know, having being people people being able

51:47

to grab them and like, you know, sometimes

51:50

I see people on Instagram and they send

51:52

them bookmarks and I'll take it, you

51:55

know, but I think that's great. Because then years

51:57

later, you have something you can hold in your

51:59

hands and be like I

52:01

remember when I like gave a blow job in

52:03

the bathroom at the party and then you can show

52:05

your kids the post part.

52:07

It just adds to the

52:10

realness of the event and it's not

52:12

just some online memory. So,

52:15

I don't know. I

52:17

think there's, like

52:19

we said, everything changes, right? So back then

52:21

when then there was 10 million postcards going

52:23

around, how did you differentiate postcard

52:26

to postcard? Now how do you make

52:28

your event stand out amongst all

52:30

the different things that people see on Instagram? And

52:34

I think booking good artists is your first step.

52:37

You know, if you actually have the talent and then you

52:40

people kind of trust that

52:42

if I put my name on it, they're

52:44

at least going to have... You might not like

52:46

it. You might not everyone likes every DJ I've

52:48

ever booked and not everyone likes every

52:50

artist I've ever booked, but there's definitely

52:53

a lot of thought put

52:55

into them. So in theory, I'd

52:58

like to think that people come to

53:00

these events because they are guaranteed

53:03

a certain caliber of artist. No,

53:07

no thanks to iPod DJs. I'm just saying,

53:09

you know, it's like we

53:12

are very proud of the artists that we put

53:14

at our clubs and at

53:17

our festivals that we work on. So yeah. Well,

53:20

if they're playing off an iPod now, maybe

53:23

that's a little vintage, you know, and I

53:25

thought DJs maybe giving you a throwback. Well,

53:28

I just the second time I revealed myself

53:30

to be brandy. Sometimes I'm like, do you

53:32

know where my Walkman is? Your

53:38

talk boy. Let's

53:40

say somebody put a curse on you where they said

53:43

you have to continue doing your job, but you can't

53:45

do it in New York ever again. Like if you

53:47

couldn't do New York nightlife, where would the nightlife be

53:49

stimulating enough for you to work? I mean,

53:51

I do love... I

53:53

love... I mean, London has amazing nightlife.

53:56

I spent my wife's English, so, you

53:58

know, we were in the East and... And so

54:01

it's like Hackney Wick has some of

54:03

the best nightlife you can hope for

54:05

outside of Brooklyn, of course, not that

54:07

it's a competition. So I

54:09

love London. And I

54:11

mean, it's a totally different experience, but

54:13

I do love Ibiza. I do love

54:15

a summer in Ibiza. It's,

54:18

you know, being

54:21

outdoors and dancing outdoors,

54:23

there's something, you know, magical

54:25

about that. And, you know, New York

54:27

has that. It's

54:29

just a lot sweatier and smells

54:32

a lot more of garbage. Still

54:34

magic, but a lot stinkier.

54:38

It's a little different from what the ocean breeze

54:41

is, I'm going to say when you're, you know,

54:44

not that I would say you're rolling on a pill, but if

54:46

you were rolling on a pill, I'd like to do it. I

54:48

would sigh with an ocean breeze and a palm

54:50

tree and not a bunch of garbage. So, but

54:53

I like both. Both are great. Even

54:57

mentioning a moment where, you know, like we don't

54:59

have, you say we don't have these anymore, you

55:01

know, like the Grace Jones appearing in the club

55:03

where you paid $5 to get in. But

55:06

what I love about a club now

55:08

is, you know, Kim

55:11

Petras, who was booked before for Ladyland but had

55:13

to pull out, like, you know, like I remember

55:15

when she was first coming up, like in LA

55:17

when Lewis and I were there. And, you know,

55:19

we'd see her at, we'd see her

55:21

at some club that we didn't even pay to get into.

55:24

You're just like, why is Kim Petras on a stage singing,

55:26

you know? No, she's been performing at Sweet Crane. I mean,

55:28

it made no sense. We

55:31

still have that though. We still do. I shouldn't have

55:33

said it in that way because we still have those

55:35

moments. I don't know. Were you there when,

55:37

when Cardi B came and performed at Holy

55:39

Mountain? Oh my gosh. That

55:41

was supposed to be a surprise. And then she decided

55:43

to, I, all of us on the club

55:45

calls me at like six o'clock. They're like,

55:48

Lady, there's a line around the block of all

55:50

these people, what's going on? And I was like,

55:52

oh, shit. I looked on her Instagram and she

55:54

was really excited. And so

55:57

she posted it. So that was

55:59

right there. Thanks,

56:01

Cardi. But you know, we've had lots of moments like

56:03

that where we do surprise guests

56:05

and like, you know,

56:07

suddenly everyone thinks

56:10

so because that's part of the fun. I

56:12

think people, you know, artists want

56:14

to connect to their audience and they definitely want

56:16

to connect to their gay audience because we're the

56:19

best audience. And so, you know, they love to

56:21

create moments like that in stunts. So we still

56:23

have, you know, lots of those

56:25

exciting little moments have happened at Ladyland

56:28

and at, you know, a lot of my

56:30

parties that have happened and a lot of

56:32

other people. What would you say is

56:35

one of your favorite memories of, you know, sort of

56:37

like a just fun, either

56:39

a fun celebrity moment or just a fun moment

56:41

at the party where you were like, you're

56:44

always going to be remembering that moment

56:46

until you die. Like that was just

56:48

a moment where you're like, we

56:50

couldn't stop talking about it when we left the club. I

56:53

mean, there's so many of those

56:55

moments. You don't realize it while you're doing it. Like

56:57

we were talking about the hindsight, how things

56:59

can become so special. So

57:01

for example, like Sophie performed

57:04

at Ladyland festival. And you

57:06

know, even then you

57:09

realized it was a moment because she was just,

57:12

her album came out a few days before and

57:15

there was all the side and you realize that

57:17

she's a star. And, you

57:19

know, of course now she

57:21

died fairly recently. And so

57:24

you look back on that and you're like, I

57:26

was there. I was part of this moment. I

57:28

saw her. I got to experience that. So I

57:30

think, you know, not taking any of these moments

57:34

for granted when you see these performers is

57:36

like pretty amazing. I mean, even

57:38

Kim Tetris were talking about, you know, I

57:40

don't know if you're at the first Ladyland and she

57:43

performed there and, you know, it started to

57:45

rain and I was like, festival

57:47

and I'm like, or was it maybe

57:49

it was the second? No, it was the first one, literally the

57:51

first one. And I was like, shit,

57:53

what do we do? What happened? And we were

57:55

just like, well, and then all of

57:57

a sudden it just started pouring rain. And I'm like,

58:00

okay, this is over. And I thought everyone was just

58:02

going to run away. And instead, you started

58:04

doing you know, you can't do better and

58:06

put the mic out and everyone's soaking wet

58:08

and covered in rain. And it

58:11

just was like a moment and you knew she

58:13

was going to be a star then and everybody,

58:15

you know, as much as you were soaking wet,

58:18

and you think that all the gays would be

58:20

complaining, it was the opposite, it was magic. And

58:22

everybody knew that it was magic. And then, of

58:24

course, the equipment all went crazy after because of

58:26

the rain. And then I had to basically get

58:28

on the mic and do stand up comedy for

58:31

like half an hour. And I'm

58:33

not a comedian, obviously. So it was like,

58:36

I had to delay until they fixed all

58:38

the equipment. So that was quite a fun

58:40

night for everybody, hearing me completely

58:42

wasted on a microphone for half an hour.

58:44

But yeah, I mean, those were moments, if

58:46

you were there, you were there, which is also

58:48

part of what keeps it so exciting, not

58:50

just for me, but for everyone. Because, you

58:53

know, there's a lot of talk

58:55

always about like, why

58:57

do you need to go out and people go out less, which

59:00

is sometimes true, because you can see it online, you don't

59:02

need to connect with people all the time, you know, you

59:04

could just look on your phone if you

59:06

wanted to see what, you

59:08

know, person X is up to, but same

59:10

time, if you weren't there, you're going to miss

59:12

these moments. And like, you know, if you're there, you

59:14

know what those moments feel like.

59:17

And it's that's collective joy when you're

59:19

feeling it with other people. That's

59:21

when you have FOMO. So it's,

59:23

I think that's what keeps, you

59:26

know, nightlife and just the

59:28

music industry in general, so

59:30

exciting entertainment industries, because there's

59:32

absolutely no way to replicate it. As

59:35

we learned during the pandemic online,

59:37

there's just no way you have to

59:39

be there to really experience it. And

59:41

I will definitely be there for New York

59:43

Pride. I cannot wait to experience your amazing

59:45

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59:48

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59:50

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59:52

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59:54

reading my trivial pursuit cards by myself, which

59:56

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1:02:57

PR reps and whoever that Garfield movie was

1:02:59

for. Me, Lewis,

1:03:02

perhaps, go ahead, yes. Did

1:03:04

you go see it? I didn't, but let me

1:03:06

tell you something. All around LA, you

1:03:08

may be familiar with these little delivery robots.

1:03:10

I don't think they're in every city, but

1:03:12

LA specifically has these delivery robots that are

1:03:14

going up and down every sidewalk. And

1:03:17

at the moment, they're all fucking Garfield

1:03:19

themed. And there is just

1:03:21

something extra, my least favorite

1:03:23

word, dystopian about that. Garfield just

1:03:26

patrolling around the city with blinking

1:03:28

robot eyes, very strange. There's

1:03:31

also billboards that have moving Garfield eyes.

1:03:34

You know what, I just want to stick up for Garfield though in

1:03:36

this way. This is a

1:03:38

property from the late 70s that

1:03:40

is mainly for children, that somehow has

1:03:42

pause, if you will, and

1:03:44

survives to this day. It's not different from

1:03:46

Star Wars. You know what

1:03:48

I mean? It just lingers for some reason. We keep finding a

1:03:50

new way. There's gotta be an

1:03:52

animated animal of some kind. They as well

1:03:55

be the one with some recognizable attributes. And

1:03:57

I will say, when you're trying to be like a little.

1:04:00

comedian kid, Garfield is

1:04:02

helpful for teaching you like how to be

1:04:04

sardonic, how to look to the side and

1:04:06

say like a funny thing. There is something

1:04:08

a bit instructive before you get to be

1:04:11

a gay teenager who watches Daria. I'm

1:04:13

assuming all children act like the

1:04:15

way I did. Okay. Well,

1:04:18

listen, there's a big difference between the cartoon

1:04:20

Garfield that you would get in

1:04:22

the funny pages and the animated

1:04:24

version of Garfield that we grew

1:04:26

up with. And whatever

1:04:29

the fuck this Chris Pratt monster

1:04:31

is, you know, it just seems

1:04:33

like it's very anti

1:04:37

what Garfield was in the first place.

1:04:39

All of these major big animated things

1:04:41

like that, where it's let's stick a

1:04:43

star in it. It's no one cares

1:04:46

about that shit. I really still am

1:04:48

always confused by throwing big celebrities in

1:04:50

movies like that because you can't see

1:04:52

them. And most of the time their

1:04:54

voices aren't even a draw

1:04:58

to come and see the movie, you know, that

1:05:00

like they're not really doing character acting. No, right.

1:05:02

They're kind of hired to be themselves. So it's

1:05:04

you're not really getting the essence of the character

1:05:06

you came to see. That's that

1:05:09

again, people only I think have like

1:05:11

now have a visual memory of Garfield

1:05:13

and don't know the animated thing we

1:05:15

grew up with who voiced by the

1:05:18

amazing Lorenzo music alum of the show

1:05:20

Rhoda who played the unseen doorman Carlton.

1:05:23

But anyway, I'm not saying I'll see this movie. Apparently

1:05:26

it was the worst Memorial Day weekend since

1:05:28

1995 when get ready. Casper

1:05:32

debuted to twenty two point five

1:05:34

million dollars. Now notable thing about

1:05:36

that movie, it fucking sucks. So

1:05:39

that much

1:05:41

are you coming out as a Casper hater? Oh

1:05:43

my God. It's so grim. Like they

1:05:46

tried to put like a real origin story

1:05:48

behind Casper and it's about a dead kid

1:05:50

or something. Jesus fucking Christ. Who pitched that?

1:05:53

And I by the way, Christina Ricci is the

1:05:56

first actress I was ever obsessed with at the

1:05:58

age of eight. iconic

1:06:00

people like Garfield and Daria.

1:06:02

Wednesday Adams is like the

1:06:04

third coordinate in that Bermuda

1:06:06

Triangle of Bagotry. I

1:06:09

think it's romantic and gothic. I think

1:06:11

it's a cute movie. Oh, God. I

1:06:13

absolutely did not see it in the

1:06:15

theater. I saw it the same weekend.

1:06:17

Batman Forever. I was actually gay, motherfucker.

1:06:19

Okay? Sugar and Spice, bitch.

1:06:22

I obviously saw Batman Forever. I

1:06:24

think I first saw Casper on

1:06:26

home video. Right. That struck

1:06:29

me as a big home video movie. But

1:06:32

yeah, it is interesting about Furiosa

1:06:34

that just not much of

1:06:36

a draw. Also, Enya Taylor

1:06:39

Joy is this person who is very famous

1:06:41

and respected. We love Queen's

1:06:43

Gambit, obviously. But in terms of her movie, she

1:06:45

actually has had a couple of stumbles recently. You

1:06:48

know, she was in Amsterdam. She's in that

1:06:50

fucking awful Last Night in Soho movie or

1:06:52

whatever. She's sort of waiting

1:06:54

to come into her own as a movie star.

1:06:56

I wonder if that was something that factored in

1:06:58

here. But at the same time, the original Mad

1:07:01

Max was not exactly like a glorious box office

1:07:03

moment either. You know, it was something that critically

1:07:05

took over and obviously had

1:07:07

a lot of presence at the Academy Awards. It was nominated

1:07:09

for Best Picture. But I don't know

1:07:12

that it was a slam dunk moment, you

1:07:14

know, especially something to spend $160

1:07:16

million on or however much this movie cost. Yeah,

1:07:19

I mean, I love Fury Road

1:07:21

and I will make a

1:07:23

confession that it took me almost a decade to see

1:07:25

that movie. I do not know how. But

1:07:28

when I finally watched it, I was floored

1:07:30

by it. And I watched it twice in

1:07:32

one day, actually, I went home from

1:07:35

my friend's place where we first watched it and then

1:07:37

I watched it again. So I

1:07:39

have not seen Furiosa yet because I watched,

1:07:42

you know, Fury Road, The Week in

1:07:44

the Furiosa came out. But

1:07:46

I do have plans to see Furiosa. I

1:07:48

love Enya Taylor Joy. And

1:07:51

I would love to see the prequel. But I

1:07:54

don't know. Yeah, there is just something about her too,

1:07:57

where she is this... She's

1:08:00

so fashionable in sort of a Zendaya

1:08:02

way. I would say that she and

1:08:04

Zendaya and Hunter Schafer are currently like

1:08:06

the three women I always wanna see

1:08:08

on a carpet. Right. Like

1:08:11

I always wanna see them in a photo, but

1:08:14

only Zendaya is the one who has

1:08:16

recently sort of translated

1:08:18

that into a film you

1:08:21

really wanna see with challengers. And

1:08:24

even then, is she the biggest draw of the film?

1:08:27

No, but she's

1:08:29

not the biggest focal point of the film. Right, right. Let's

1:08:31

say that. She was one of the

1:08:34

big draws of the film, obviously. And that

1:08:36

film became more of a grower. You know,

1:08:38

like I felt like everyone kept talking about

1:08:40

challenges. I'm still talking to friends who are

1:08:42

like, I saw challenges last night. You know, I think

1:08:44

it's become a word of mouth hit. But

1:08:47

there's not really a lot of star

1:08:49

vehicles for people at the moment, you

1:08:52

know? Right, it's not really how things

1:08:54

work anymore. It feels like, in

1:08:57

a way, like whatever new limited series catches on, you

1:08:59

don't even remember who the stars are, really, or it's

1:09:02

like not Jermaine. Just people, I still can't name the

1:09:04

actors in Baby Reindeer, you know what I mean? Who

1:09:06

are, who were fabulous, you know? And I'm sure we'll

1:09:08

see them at the Emmys. But. Yeah,

1:09:11

I think it was Donner and

1:09:13

Blitzen and Dickson.

1:09:17

Rudolph wasn't in it though. No, right. They did

1:09:19

not invite Rudolph to play their baby games. Right,

1:09:22

they didn't meet his quota either. He wasn't gonna show

1:09:24

up. But I

1:09:27

think also maybe the word of mouth on this

1:09:29

movie is it just doesn't quite compare to

1:09:32

how top notch Mad Max

1:09:34

Fury Road was. Or, and then in certain

1:09:36

ways it's also too similar. And then also,

1:09:38

she shows up way too fucking late in

1:09:40

this movie. And the movie is called Fury

1:09:42

Road. What the hell is that about? Let

1:09:46

me tell you something. I saw the fall guy finally.

1:09:48

And the first thing he does in that movie is

1:09:50

fall. That, right, now I know I'm in the right

1:09:52

theater. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Orient

1:09:55

me. Also, with all this

1:09:57

talk about we need to go save the

1:09:59

cinema. There's been a lot

1:10:02

of breathless takes online about

1:10:04

how the fall guy is

1:10:06

a perfect summer blockbuster and we all needed

1:10:08

to go see it and it needed to

1:10:10

be in theaters longer than 17

1:10:12

days before going to streaming. I

1:10:14

do agree with the last part. I think

1:10:16

that movies should be in theaters for much

1:10:19

longer before they go to streaming. It gives

1:10:21

it sort of a idea

1:10:23

that if you don't go see it in the theaters, you

1:10:25

can't be part of the conversation thing. But

1:10:28

with the fall guy, there's no conversation to be had.

1:10:32

You hated the movie. It's not good. It's

1:10:34

not good. I didn't like it. What's

1:10:37

interesting about it is that it has

1:10:39

so many elements of a

1:10:42

good movie. I think it's fun. I think

1:10:44

obviously Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt are stars

1:10:46

and it's fun to just watch

1:10:49

them in a goofy movie that really has

1:10:51

nothing else going on because the twists in

1:10:53

the mystery of it were sort

1:10:56

of obvious and wrote to be

1:10:58

honest. The romance I thought was

1:11:00

a bit sort of... I

1:11:02

didn't really believe it. It's a story

1:11:04

where it's like there's scenes where he

1:11:06

is in the middle of a fight

1:11:08

scene and he's on the phone having

1:11:10

a romantic sort of

1:11:14

emotional moment with Emily Blunt and it's

1:11:16

just goofy with the juxtaposition of it.

1:11:18

I'm like, maybe this would work in

1:11:20

Chuck. I

1:11:23

didn't really see that TV show, but it didn't really work

1:11:25

on the big screen for me. I didn't really buy any

1:11:27

of the emotional moments. I just feel like,

1:11:30

I don't know,

1:11:32

it felt very not

1:11:35

a serious movie. I can't

1:11:37

believe that people were so seriously talking about this

1:11:39

movie as if it is the best thing they've

1:11:41

seen all year. Also, you've now brought up the

1:11:43

show, Chuck. Remember when Zachary Levi seemed like maybe

1:11:46

a normal person you might want to meet at

1:11:48

some point and then he just fell the fuck

1:11:50

out. He's like a vaccine loser.

1:11:52

What the hell? So bizarre. Also,

1:11:55

by the way, another movie in this vein, Hitman came

1:11:57

out, which first of all, I did not know. Glenn

1:12:00

Powell co-wrote Justin

1:12:02

Thoreau vibes. I didn't know we were doing

1:12:04

that. What's going on here? Okay, a hot

1:12:06

writer. But also, that

1:12:08

fucking sucked too. I did, that

1:12:11

was an incomprehensibly bad movie.

1:12:13

Didn't get it at all. And

1:12:15

it looked like something you really wanted to see in a theater too,

1:12:18

like something that would bring you there. But

1:12:20

I think everyone's just kind of, I

1:12:22

don't know, low key flopping as it

1:12:24

were. Where is the excitement

1:12:26

right now? I'm waiting for prestige season to come back.

1:12:28

That's my reason to go to a theater, obviously. But

1:12:31

I don't see anything in the immediate future

1:12:33

blockbuster wise enticing me. Right.

1:12:35

I feel like the holdovers did well too. And

1:12:37

that was prestige. And that was like an interesting

1:12:40

movie that people wanted to, like we're talking about,

1:12:42

right? And I think that we're

1:12:44

sort of in this point in movies where we

1:12:47

don't want to see endless sequels or

1:12:49

franchise movies. That's why sort of Marvel

1:12:51

had its sort of like they reached

1:12:54

glut at a certain point. And

1:12:56

we want to go and see something that feels

1:12:58

different than what we've seen before. You know, I

1:13:00

feel like I don't know how

1:13:02

exactly World Challenges has been doing, but it

1:13:05

has a lens and people are talking

1:13:08

about this movie constantly. And at least

1:13:10

has buzz because it felt like a

1:13:12

fun new adult movie for us

1:13:14

all to go and see, you know, like giving

1:13:16

people something to talk about. No one's really talking

1:13:19

about the fall guy except for movie

1:13:21

critics online. Right. Yeah.

1:13:24

And I was going to say that Emily Blunt's character and that was

1:13:26

very, I would say, juvenile in

1:13:28

that movie. And it makes no sense that doesn't

1:13:30

gel with who her character is. That's

1:13:33

maybe why I also didn't really buy

1:13:35

the romance. Like it seems like she

1:13:38

just woken up from a coma. Yeah.

1:13:40

Like she was Aurora. That's how Sleeping Beauty probably

1:13:43

was to talk to when she woke up. This

1:13:45

will be the next installment in our Disney adult

1:13:47

look back before

1:13:49

we're put to sleep. I

1:13:52

Aurora herself. You

1:13:55

know, who's good in that film though. Aaron

1:13:57

Taylor Johnson. How is he not a bigger star? That

1:14:01

is a very kind of complex question because

1:14:03

when he does an interview I am

1:14:05

all ears and also sweat sweating

1:14:08

because woof how he doing that?

1:14:10

When he takes a photo? Right,

1:14:12

help me. Yeah. And then I

1:14:14

was watching that Amy movie that his wife directed and

1:14:16

I was like was he on the set? Can

1:14:18

we sneak him into a couple frames? I

1:14:21

think she keeps him locked up in a tower like

1:14:23

Princess Peach. Smart move, smart move.

1:14:26

Golden Globe winner for

1:14:28

nocturnal animals. Ah, you

1:14:31

know I will never forget that. Right. And

1:14:35

it's funny because I feel like when that

1:14:37

happened I was like what the fuck? But

1:14:39

now I'm like it's weird that nothing sort

1:14:41

of was capitalized off of that. Yes, right.

1:14:43

No, he sort of just stalled. Maybe he

1:14:45

has the too many last names is what's

1:14:47

doing him in. I have no idea. Yeah,

1:14:51

Aaron Johnson is or Aaron

1:14:53

TJ? ATJ. Oh, there we

1:14:55

go. Like Andrew WK, but Andrew TJ. Yeah.

1:14:59

I don't know. I really loved his sort

1:15:01

of like my friends described it as him

1:15:03

doing a Matthew McConaughey impersonation in this film,

1:15:06

especially towards the end. I just thought the

1:15:08

twist in the movie was whatever, but he

1:15:10

leaned into the twist and the comedy of

1:15:12

the film so well that he was my

1:15:14

favorite fucking part of that movie. By the

1:15:16

way, speaking of movie stars, why don't we

1:15:19

get more of Matthew McConaughey? Not that I

1:15:21

crave him, but that's sort of the like

1:15:23

pinnacle box office person that seems to be

1:15:25

dependable who we're missing right now. Yeah,

1:15:29

I mean, wasn't he doing his whole I'm

1:15:31

maybe running for office thing. Oh, God. And

1:15:33

Christ, because he's sort of the rock coded,

1:15:35

right? He's almost like the intellectual, the rock,

1:15:37

which is I'm sorry, sad to say, but

1:15:40

I just have

1:15:42

questions about where he is. Yeah.

1:15:45

Well, I mean, let me look at

1:15:47

his filmography and see what Matthew McConaughey

1:15:50

has been up to. Yeah. So

1:15:53

really nothing. I feel

1:15:56

like he's sort of gotten to this

1:15:58

period where he was. I

1:16:01

want to make films like Dallas Buyers

1:16:03

Club. He just walked up and

1:16:05

took an Oscar. He was like, you know what? The

1:16:07

year is 2013. I'm so

1:16:09

bored. What if, you

1:16:12

know, I revolutionized AIDS or whatever he

1:16:14

does in that movie? Yeah. He

1:16:16

has a crime thriller coming out supposedly soon.

1:16:19

And also this film, The Lost Bus, which

1:16:21

is a Paul Greengrass film.

1:16:23

But I don't know. We miss when

1:16:26

we would get like a magic

1:16:28

mic from him, a Lincoln lawyer. He was

1:16:30

great in fucking Wolf of Wall Street. Oh

1:16:32

yeah. Probably my favorite scene actually. Actually everybody

1:16:34

was good in the Wolf of Wall Street. I don't know

1:16:36

why I say that begrudgingly. It was a good movie. I

1:16:41

think that Wolf of Wall Street is sort of a,

1:16:44

it's Goodfellas light in the sense

1:16:46

that it is a really good

1:16:48

movie, but you're just sick of the people who would

1:16:50

call it their favorite movie. Right, right. And your favorite

1:16:53

movies are exactly like that. And it's like, so you

1:16:55

just have a type of movie you like. It has

1:16:57

nothing to do with general appreciation of cinema. I could

1:16:59

get into this some other day. Anyway,

1:17:02

before we go though, I just want to

1:17:04

say, have I talked about Garfield's on and

1:17:06

off again girlfriend Arlene on the show? You

1:17:08

have. Okay. Continue.

1:17:11

I continue to be perplexed by

1:17:13

this cat with giant red lips, whorish

1:17:17

mascara. She's lavender. Like no

1:17:19

cat ever is. She

1:17:22

basically is like a sex toy, except she also

1:17:24

acts the part of a cat. And then she

1:17:27

also does the Garfield thing of lowering her eyelids

1:17:29

and looking at us. Anyway, so

1:17:31

I find it sexually confusing. And I don't

1:17:33

know why Jim Davis got all up in

1:17:35

that. She's got a long neck. Okay.

1:17:39

And that's only good for one thing. Okay.

1:17:46

Sliding in a lot of lasagna. Yeah. If

1:17:49

you, yeah. Some layers. Yeah. Not

1:17:53

that fed a G. Oh, she

1:17:55

does. Wow. I hadn't

1:17:57

really looked at her in a minute. It's very

1:17:59

misspattied. man. Red lips. She looks

1:18:01

like a madam. You

1:18:06

open the door at the Mustang Ranch and she has like a

1:18:09

cigarette hanging out in her mouth and she says, well... I'd

1:18:12

watch that film. Right. Where's the

1:18:14

Garfield universe actually? Because where's the

1:18:17

thing about John? And what's

1:18:19

going on with Nirmal? Right. No. Well,

1:18:21

Nirmal is still in Abu Dhabi. I

1:18:23

think he has a successful gay life

1:18:25

there. He's like a Barry's instructor. There

1:18:28

were a series of Garfield specials in the

1:18:30

80s, like Garfield on the town where he

1:18:33

like runs away and gets into like urban

1:18:36

shenanigans. Anyway, they tried to make him loose and

1:18:38

crazy for a while. So just to let you

1:18:40

know that that is out there. Yeah. All right.

1:18:42

Well, when we're back... And

1:18:52

we are back with our favorite segment of

1:18:54

the episode, Keep It. Lewis,

1:18:57

what are you angry about this week? Mine

1:18:59

is some traditional standup rancor. Okay.

1:19:03

Jerry Seinfeld, be a real man. Be

1:19:05

a man. Oh my God. Sorry. Is

1:19:07

that my keep it? Real

1:19:10

man is something he's concerned with. So

1:19:12

weird. Does anybody seem more rich

1:19:14

and less joyous than Jerry Seinfeld?

1:19:17

It really is a shocking juxtaposition.

1:19:19

Anyway, moving on. I will just

1:19:21

say it's funny to hear anyone

1:19:23

like Jerry Seinfeld say, where are

1:19:25

the real man? Because you rewatch

1:19:27

Seinfeld. Aren't most of the

1:19:29

jokes about how he's basically faggot coded?

1:19:31

Yeah. Right. And how, yeah, he's like wimpy and

1:19:33

like nauseous and yeah,

1:19:35

sick of everything. Right. Yeah.

1:19:38

Not giving virility, shall we say. Okay.

1:19:41

No, it's traditional standup and that if I had

1:19:43

to take a stage in 2024 and

1:19:45

rant about something for three minutes, I think this would

1:19:47

be what I rant about. Guys, keep it

1:19:49

to cyber trucks. I'm sorry. One, let's

1:19:52

just talk about the look of them. There's a very

1:19:54

famous tweet going around talking about how the look of

1:19:56

a cyber truck, the Tesla strange

1:19:58

metallic looking vehicle. Looks

1:20:00

like it fell out of a Nintendo 64

1:20:02

golden eye instruction booklet first of all, but

1:20:05

secondly To me it looks

1:20:07

like somebody running out of time in Pictionary

1:20:10

trying to draw a car Just like three

1:20:12

lines with like circle wheels and then

1:20:14

you guess car and then you move on to the next

1:20:16

card But also to me in

1:20:18

person when you're driving in LA the thing that

1:20:20

is Disturbing about them is the

1:20:22

scale of them is so strange You constantly

1:20:24

feel like you're going to get in a

1:20:26

car accident because it's like close to One

1:20:29

side of the road or the other based on

1:20:32

where it is in the lane You don't want

1:20:34

to be around if if all cars were that

1:20:36

size I think they would be less problematic But

1:20:38

as such it's like you're driving around a parade

1:20:41

float constantly and during this, you

1:20:43

know pride month. I already am

1:20:47

Sick of pride floats, you know, and I mean they

1:20:49

take up the road and they're strange. Yeah

1:20:52

I Like the

1:20:54

Batman this of them all sure there's

1:20:56

a light DeLorean quality But at the

1:20:58

same time it feels like

1:21:00

it's a kind of macho fantasy

1:21:02

vehicle in that way to it like taps into

1:21:05

sort of these Cinematic ideas of

1:21:07

big muscle cars without also just doing

1:21:09

the work of being a

1:21:11

penis shaped muscle car like we respect

1:21:13

I'm always down for a Corvette. I

1:21:15

love Corvette. I mean, I love it.

1:21:17

Wait, what's the car in Christine? Oh

1:21:20

the Plymouth Fury Yeah, yes, I knew

1:21:22

that once because I it was a

1:21:24

period where I was writing Plymouth furies

1:21:26

into scripts all the time What were

1:21:28

you payola just imagining that they were

1:21:30

Christine? Yeah. Okay, sure Yeah

1:21:33

of a vintage Plymouth Fury Let's

1:21:36

bring that movie back. I know we just talked about You

1:21:40

know reboots and everything but I think a

1:21:42

Christine TV series would be fun I

1:21:45

actually thought um Jodie Foster had a really cool

1:21:47

quote about limited series Which is she watched Killers

1:21:49

of the Flower Moon. She said this really should

1:21:52

have been an eight-hour Limited

1:21:54

series where you actually got into the perspectives of

1:21:56

all the characters that the movie sort of skims

1:21:58

over like it could have been way more

1:22:00

kind of journalistic and getting into everybody's head,

1:22:02

but instead you sort of got this hodgepodge

1:22:05

of perspectives where many weren't fleshed

1:22:08

out. Come on Jodi. I know,

1:22:10

but she was talking about that Night Country show she was

1:22:12

on, which was not good, so sorry. Honestly,

1:22:15

we should have got that

1:22:17

though, because what

1:22:19

Scorsese would do with eight hours. Oh

1:22:22

please, you'll throw in like at least an hour and a

1:22:24

half tribute to Bob Dylan. Girl will fill the pages. Yeah.

1:22:28

So, Ma Rainey's Black Bottom from

1:22:30

Martin Scorsese, somehow Bob Dylan inspired

1:22:32

Ma Rainey. Oh, that's just the

1:22:34

beginning. He also performed alongside the

1:22:36

band at the Last Waltz, right?

1:22:40

How is he, he's not the one

1:22:42

directing the Bob Dylan film, is he?

1:22:44

The Timothy Chalamet, Bob

1:22:47

Dylan movie, a complete unknown is directed

1:22:49

by James Mangold, who did, for example,

1:22:51

Girl Interrupted, two movies

1:22:53

in the X-Men franchise, Copland. Yeah,

1:22:55

I love James Mangold, great writer

1:22:57

and director. Ira, what is your

1:23:00

keep it this week? My keep it goes

1:23:02

to this tweet that I

1:23:04

saw, which was about the fact

1:23:06

that James Gunn invented

1:23:08

the hatred for scrappy do by

1:23:11

making him the villain in the

1:23:14

Scooby-Doo movies. And

1:23:16

I have to say, that is categorically

1:23:19

false, because people hated that little run

1:23:21

for years. All I fucking do is

1:23:23

hate this bastard. I hate scrappy do

1:23:25

and have hated him in every iteration

1:23:27

going back to, because he goes back

1:23:29

to if not the original Scooby-Doo, the

1:23:31

second version of the, yeah, in the

1:23:34

seventies. And he was

1:23:36

certainly in 13 Ghosts of Scooby, where unfortunately he was

1:23:38

not one of the ghosts murdered on air. So

1:23:42

what's interesting about the Scooby-Doo sort

1:23:45

of mythos is in 79, the ratings were flagging.

1:23:49

And so they had to cousin Oliver, the

1:23:51

show. And that means to introduce

1:23:53

a character that we've never heard of before,

1:23:55

who is related to one of the main

1:23:57

characters, which gives you the audience sort of

1:23:59

an amazing. immediate Interest in

1:24:01

connection with them. I was gonna say quickly you

1:24:04

just brought up cousin Oliver, which is a Brady

1:24:06

Bunch reference I would say a very famous Instance

1:24:08

of this is Raven Simone on the Cosby show

1:24:11

like we're just like a whole new energy and

1:24:13

she's kind of a cute new Personality. Yes. Anyway,

1:24:15

go ahead. Yeah, and that

1:24:17

was scrappy-doo on scooby He

1:24:19

was the younger one He would sort of

1:24:21

pick them up and run into danger instead

1:24:23

of being afraid of the ghosts

1:24:26

like Scooby was and Allegedly

1:24:28

he was popular at first

1:24:30

which of course the show was for kids, right?

1:24:33

But I think that Grown adults

1:24:35

like who are watching the show at that point

1:24:37

who had grew up with Scooby-Doo and also you

1:24:39

have to remember at this point cartoons

1:24:42

a big audience for

1:24:44

cartoons especially in the

1:24:46

70s 80s up to when we were in college

1:24:48

to be honest were like Adult

1:24:51

college students sure or high scores, you know like

1:24:53

we watched that shit all the time too and

1:24:55

especially in college like I would watch Scooby-Doo when

1:24:57

I was high and scrappy-doo

1:25:00

was just Annoying

1:25:03

and he's always been annoying the definitive

1:25:05

annoying cartoon character. I mean like beyond

1:25:08

even someone like Jar Jar banks I'm just

1:25:10

first of all, he has one catchphrase. That's

1:25:12

not funny. So let me at him puppy

1:25:14

power. Yeah, and then puppy power Then

1:25:17

puppy power That

1:25:21

was so I could just feel my

1:25:23

endorphins leak through me unto the chair

1:25:25

There's just none of me lot right

1:25:27

and then it's like a lot It's really loud and also

1:25:29

on those shows those were the cartoons that

1:25:32

would have an added laugh track So you

1:25:34

were supposed to find him amusing According

1:25:36

to the laugh track and it's

1:25:38

like I'm now alienated from this show

1:25:40

because obviously it's not funny and you're

1:25:42

trying to hammer home That he's funny,

1:25:45

you know Oh my god, he's

1:25:47

unbelievably I hate his look I hate the look in

1:25:49

his eye. I hate his height I

1:25:51

sound like close 70 talking about LA Look,

1:25:54

I hate the terrain. I hate the vegetation

1:25:56

of I

1:26:00

will say I did love the 13

1:26:02

Girls with Scooby-Doo. And it

1:26:04

only had 13 episodes, which was disappointing. No, by

1:26:06

the way, Vincent Price, he would take a check

1:26:08

doing anything in the 80s. He's like, sure, put

1:26:10

me in a booth. I'll start talking to Scrappy-Doo.

1:26:12

I don't give a fuck. I'm a million years

1:26:14

old. The weird part of the Scooby-Doo franchise is

1:26:16

that when you're our age, you have to sort

1:26:18

of be like me and Lewis who

1:26:21

love trivia and

1:26:23

like sort of like researching the histories

1:26:26

of the media that we consume.

1:26:28

Because otherwise, Scooby-Doo is just thrown

1:26:31

on in syndication and when

1:26:33

you're watching it, sometimes you'll watch an episode

1:26:35

of where are you Scooby-Doo? And then sometimes

1:26:37

it'll be 13 ghosts. And

1:26:39

it's like, where did Fred and Velma go?

1:26:41

No, right, yes. And like the characters that

1:26:43

drop out and come back in are very

1:26:45

mysterious. Like that they would keep Daphne, not

1:26:47

the other two. Like Daphne doesn't even really

1:26:50

have a personality. That makes no sense. Pretty

1:26:52

girl. And I relate that she's always cocked onto one hip,

1:26:54

which is how I prefer to dance. But

1:26:58

I think like by the time you got to 85, when

1:27:01

you were trying to make the show cool,

1:27:03

right? You have Scrappy-Doo for the younger viewers.

1:27:06

You have Daphne because she showed her the

1:27:08

bombshell. And then you have Shaggy because you

1:27:10

know, he's the stoner and people love laughing

1:27:12

at him. And you sort of get rid

1:27:14

of the dude with the ascot, the

1:27:17

Fegachione with the ascot. And get rid of

1:27:19

Velma because she's just like a nerd. Yeah,

1:27:22

I guess. But then they replaced them with Slim-Flam, which

1:27:24

I would love to hear that meeting. Put

1:27:27

those people all in the fucking hag. And

1:27:31

then didn't, wouldn't it dumb,

1:27:33

dumb show up? No, see, you're getting into

1:27:35

Laura. I can't even begin to discuss. He

1:27:39

was the stupid Scooby-Doo relative. A

1:27:43

lot going on in Hanna-Barbera cartoons,

1:27:45

by the way. I feel like

1:27:47

that's a whole episode in and

1:27:49

of itself and a whole investigative

1:27:51

documentary that I would love to

1:27:53

watch. But Hanna-Barbera, like Flintstones and

1:27:55

wacky races and you rewatch those.

1:27:58

And you're just like, who? Who

1:28:00

is this character? And where the fuck

1:28:02

did they come from? And they also

1:28:04

all kind of seemed like offshoots of

1:28:06

the same character, because almost all of

1:28:08

these people were voiced by like five

1:28:10

people altogether. Don Messick, who did Scooby-Doo,

1:28:12

yeah, right. Jabber-Daw was Scooby-Doo. Jabber-Daw,

1:28:14

if you don't know it, he was a

1:28:16

shark who played music? They

1:28:18

were in a band. Yes, and

1:28:20

he also was annoying. That

1:28:23

was his whole thing. Like. Those

1:28:27

are good theme songs about

1:28:29

Jabber-Jabber-Jabber-Jabber. Oh yeah,

1:28:31

please, Kabooby the Camel Android. Yeah. But

1:28:34

that was basically a mix between Scooby-Doo,

1:28:36

where there were solving mysteries, and then

1:28:38

also Josie and the Pussycats. No, that's

1:28:40

where we peaked. Now that's where it

1:28:42

got really good. Yes, Valerie, the

1:28:44

dignity she brought to that band. You know,

1:28:47

Alexander always threatening shit with her like petty

1:28:49

grievances, but Valerie would keep it, you know,

1:28:51

rad. I

1:28:54

think what I just always forget about those shows is when you

1:28:57

look back at them, because they

1:28:59

re-air them in syndication all the time, you assume

1:29:01

that they were longer than they were. Like you

1:29:03

look back at a show and it's like, it

1:29:05

had 18 episodes. Oh, right.

1:29:07

No, no, no, no. Those would just go away and

1:29:09

then yet exist forever. You know, we would just keep

1:29:11

watching those fucking shows. And of course, the Josie and

1:29:13

the Pussycats movie is good too. But

1:29:15

anyway. Yeah. We

1:29:18

need a Jabber-Daw movie to make you love him.

1:29:20

Oh God, it's gonna take more than that. I'm

1:29:22

gonna need, first of all, you're

1:29:24

gonna have to chloroform me to get me to watch the movie. Second

1:29:27

of all. And

1:29:29

then you will be, then

1:29:32

you'll be terrorized by Jabber-Daw billboards in

1:29:34

LA. Oh God. When Jabber-Daw gets on

1:29:37

the robots delivering food on the street,

1:29:40

I'll know I have to leave LA. That's

1:29:42

when it's time for me to head to Denver. All

1:29:46

right. That's our

1:29:49

episode this week. Thank you

1:29:51

to Ladyfag for joining us

1:29:53

and happy pride. Keep

1:29:56

on doing that gay thing you do, listener. Ha ha ha.

1:30:00

That gay thing you do is the

1:30:02

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1:30:04

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1:30:06

hear the gay version of that thing you do. Uh,

1:30:09

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