Keiran hosts his longtime friend Wyl Menmuir, an acclaimed Booker nominated author, reminiscing about their school days bonding over creative pursuits like music. Wyl discusses his latest book exploring humanity's connection to nature and traditional craftsmanship. They delve into the implications of AI models like ChatGPT being trained on copyrighted works, with Wyl expressing concerns over protecting intellectual property while remaining open-minded about AI's potential benefits. The conversation touches on guitar playing and passing creative traditions to the next generation amid rapidly evolving technology. Their easygoing camaraderie and shared history imbue the conversation with a warm nostalgia about creativity's enduring value in a changing world.

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