In this episode i'm joined by my friend Jess Upchurch. Jess recently posted on an Instagram story (@jessupchurch) that since coming out she has experienced pain and rejection from people of faith and that there was some pain that she needed to separate Jesus from. After she posted about it, I sent her a message asking if we could unpack some of it on the podcast and luckily, she agreed. Jess has been on my list of people I wanted to interview because of her story and experiences with international mission work, faith and coming out - and she did not disappoint as an awesome guest. I am so thankful for her and her vulnerability. Enjoy the episode!