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good evening everyone my name is

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from under to terry

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dvd commentary track for

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my twenty , one documentary

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film film nk

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as we listen here to the end of the

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opening credits

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the first question i'm always asked

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when the movie screens

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, festivals is of course how did you

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come to choose this topic and

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it's very simple really

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the drew ditch scares me

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that's an honest a thing as i can say after

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all the stories i've heard as a filmmaker

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over twenty years about strange

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happenings and events the couple of told

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me about traveling all over and even

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witnessing some disturbing things

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it's none of that scares me

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the the drudge does

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the drought it's i think about whenever i have to

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walk across an empty parking lot to my

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car we didn't whenever

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i get just a little far out on the nature trail

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near my house in suffolk county

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new york and the light begins

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to fade the

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took almost a year of on

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efforts to get everyone in this film too greedy go on cameras

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there was research that never seem

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to end and then finally in

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november of twenty nineteen things

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finally fell into place we see here the first

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scene i wanted to open

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, film with my drive to see this man

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donald koska because it was the

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opportunity to open it with

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just a little levity there's there's

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absurdist an to this

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element me i'd been warned

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by the attorney for triad

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packed pictures for cusco was

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likely to pull reversal on us he was apparently an

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unpleasant man before apparently saturday

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ministry incident and , made

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him even colder a

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but of course i had to try since he was one of only four

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survivors of that day easily the oldest

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no matter that attitude we had to try and

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i wanted to show had how far

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we had wanted drive south

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jersey to get to him and this

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of course is all real i told my camera person

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trish will continue to just follow told up on the porch

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here and capture everything in

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the when donald koska opened

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the door we have this have trauma

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here we agreed

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to for every party never said anything

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ever call me again all thank you to court

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heard this point we're not putting you under any

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obligation to share anything you don't want

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to drop a decent by calling

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me it wasn't just if he recalls that pretty what i

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haven't we heard to go

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i do love the thing he says about sending the

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camera to hell i

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, really more stoned than anything else do you

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draw on us out there with the promise of toy story

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or you to check us out before we even

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get inside i don't mind being called and

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you that bind is right here i didn't mind

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mind called the hollywood cool trying to profit

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from tragedy because of the called that before

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but knows i'll have a long drive

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like two hours so we do not

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get to hear mr cuckoo skus account of

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what happened that day in two thousand that the

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then we move no a delay or he

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was the first one to agree to cooperate with us and go on

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camera at the time of this interview

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which begins here do

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, working for travelers insurance

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and their i t department i was really surprised by how

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young you want to have stated imagine my and i

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was that had the wrong know it to lay off risk risk

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had just turned just

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when the drone when came very

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nice guy with his interview guy two

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days of which we only

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see about nine minutes only

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anything sinister no no

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you can't tell from the interviews on the screen

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is that i had been coached is well

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my a psychologist doctor

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elizabeth cows own dot how to talk

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to survivors on catastrophe

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i done it before from my doctoral some

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projects and i deposited no

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i had just been permitted it worth the day before

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we began he had ordered the shirt

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he has on here special rdp

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was not was fan of pattern given disturbed

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as can

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we didn't say anything

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yeah we have no and i going back on

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the seemingly insignificant detail about the weather

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on april twenty seven two thousand

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two weather and rained a little are not an

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, it didn't make a new final cut was about

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how he'd be put in charge of the

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refreshments day day

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administering meeting i would have the have

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which added a very big deal for him he

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took it very seriously and was worried about

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the food getting wet bringing it into the building

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from they've to viruses

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station wagon but i did

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want to show to show differ

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so greatly there's so many conflicting

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reports about given something

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like the weather on april twenty seven

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when i first mentioned lisa whitelaw to

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him here that's the very first time

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i've mentioned her name to him even when we arranged

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music fine i might

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get , kind of reaction reaction

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but know you can see his reactions his

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simple , about hearing

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, name again a lot

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of people to see the movie or really moved

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by this little story he

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tells us how it was his first date

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and any sort of random accidentally

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asking me her on it when they a church

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because she essentially miss heard him through

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too many people standing around talking once the

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next thing you knew he had a deep this beautiful girl

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it really was in a double date as you hear

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him described here like something and of team

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coming of age movie even more g rated than

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a john hughes whereas

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, know i took the bus across town from one

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direction and lisa took one from the

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other and they just just

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about the movie afterwards in the lobby and bought another

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type of popcorn because i didn't really know what to do

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that such good such well

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behaved by well county and

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then i like the part where

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, he like he missed us home so

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nervous and

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they didn't see each other again to

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sell the morning of the twenty seventh two

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days later when and will happen we

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got here for some a dramatic effect this diagram

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you see her of the annex where the

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saturday minister used to meet which is

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connected to proudly baptist was

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done by my assistant ben i wanted

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to get the viewer inside that

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building mentally soon as possible

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when always think about it are watching

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the movie so despite the fact that i'd already

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asked there weren't many questions about

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that dead first significant when you

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hear me speak in the film is this one were

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kinda lisa found themselves in themselves moment when

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the judge came

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it doesn't get much into it here but this was a common motif

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of the meetings of the saturday ministry which had about twenty

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people from town the two thousand to

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a mix of adults teenagers they would meet saturday

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mornings in the spring and summer and

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go dot the businesses

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the church in whatever way was on

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the docket chew

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, opposite sides of the villain

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villain split into two into

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at both groups or problem groups solve

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way to figure out how to get

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more seniors involved how to church that

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was my girl and

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the group lisa was an add something

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to do with beautifying the

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nursery school part

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there is a garden vector thanks

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that was going to be the first half

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of day the problem solver

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and then we'd get together about

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it shout out

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right

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the group's always have to go to the

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opposite you know

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that was different that day we

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usually just one next door but there

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was some kind of painting going on the

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weekends to the whole an axe was

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kind of of mass so i looked up

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fan the was heading out

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the door seven or eight other people

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i read by it but she's me

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there is no room for it in the film but

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the day and that amazes

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me this morley my producer and i went

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, proudly baptist first

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time it really was a revelation revelation

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and in it so demonstrated so

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you really need as a filmmaker to go to

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a place instead of just pouring through archival

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photos and videos it jumped

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out how how like baptists

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complexes basically the shape or

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block you let her see like

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square with one side

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the eastside open so what happened

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was no a delay

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was on one side and

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twenty am and across

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a grassy little quad lisa whitelaw

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was on the other side

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there are big windows running all along

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wrapping

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on way around so noah

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the could actually look across in see

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the room the

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she and the other people from group number two

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were in if he wanted i

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mean the police had to be rebuilt but the layout

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remained exactly the same so

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you would have seen so much especially if it was

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overcast and the sun wasn't creating lot

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of shadows we actually test then

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you can see right away in the slope hand

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across the street how far away

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ones , to sherry road road

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street decided is really was reading

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the various accounts of his from seven and

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even seen the news the me

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to see my siblings or by the person such as or less

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just wasn't true the street is why so

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it's and while and is a parking lot and

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had to be cost the same way it's

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shown himself that hasn't himself and

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hasn't eighteen years yet

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only one person saw the actual process

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of adroit it's from

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one twenty cherry to like

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baptist and the one person nobody else say

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in a car going past nobody else saw

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that movement except you car a timer

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which is incredible and that

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really made it sink in for us just

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how fast everything

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hello and welcome to

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our new jersey

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why and comfort a small

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town living couldn't go hand

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in hand with the benefits citywide

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thing , get your ,

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voted one of the best places

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to live and i'll show you

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all the reasons why in this video

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i am the mayor

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the mere because motto is the

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director of the atlas community playhouse now

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her political career was not all eu

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which leads us to build savoy the

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original owner of the building at one

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twenty road the

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, with him or done in this ugly

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little break room we hear inside

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the train station where train station now can actually

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see an amtrak obi wan point later i

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remember this is a guy who back

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in two thousand to was worth something like

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five million dollars and it really is

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all gone i assure you the

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civil suits against him took everything

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had something

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else it is not shown in d and

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k is the difference in appearance

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of bill underwent between

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two thousand two hundred twenty one shot

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my kids thirty

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five years and eighteen

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this real estate and crookedness

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that he's talking about here and that

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, was engaging in at a time of the saturday

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ministry incident does have a name actually

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called bullfighting bullfighting more

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one twenty cherry fell apart the

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more would actually benefit

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bills company financially because it put pressure

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on the developers to from a good price to for

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the county stepped in and

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and ruined a ruined so

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what a dubious landlord will do is

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to the absolute minimum of repairs

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and just let a building fall apart physically

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in case of one twenty cherry the

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going on for about five years to the point

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where it was barely passing inspections but

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it wasn't costing bill anything by

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playing the long game the landlord just sits

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back and watches the value of value land go

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up there's no financial incentive to

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do upkeep as long as he knows the land is

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getting more and more available get

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a lot of male when the documentary

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was released saying how can you put this

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man on screen why does he get

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tell his story just ,

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the real survivors of that day

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the actual heroes even after she was

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found liable by

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you can see even on the screen here i think

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his regrets and share

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the

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it was like rust on his

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spirit we

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, out that he never even challenge to any

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of the lawsuits against him he agreed to

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to term outright so to

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me it's a case of people needing

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convenient villain

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i think so yeah

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it was a very specific

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set of conditions for so i

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was told

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if your neighbors back in the public that's

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okay because what i want to give you his

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confession they want

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to make it totally clear that i

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accept blame for my part of it

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he was my spiritual

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elsewhere basically

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, so here's mary neary

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neary of the heart of the story for me from the heart

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of the of i

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had tried to persuade her via

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email to talk to me talk now ten

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months no now and then one

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morning she called me on a cell she was

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lying , backseat of

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her car eddie the rest dot just

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down the road from her house she was too drunk

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from the night before should drag

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yourself to work with a hangover she taught fifth grade

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the school closed early the day

15:39

before some staff could attend the funeral

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of a student who drowned and

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seems like that head triggered

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some really bad stuff in her she

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told me very frankly she just really needed the money

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she was facing foreclosure so

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once that payments or was approved

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we had all the survivors mary

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was the one i was really worried about psychologically

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she's very polite woman com she

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lived in this little house where we do the interview she

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liked to take artwork she

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founded and thrift stores and of

16:12

make a jigsaw puzzles on of it's give those

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ways presence he

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was only thirty four when

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the summers made that you can see on the screen and it's

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it's not just the if you lighting in our kitchen she

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seems a fair bit older made

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no secret of or drinking made no secret

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that she was bored lonely

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and

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carrying around a tremendous cases

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survivor guilt she was sixteen

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when the incident happened that

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it happened about three miles from where

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she was living when we filmed

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first they would marry we had to go through more territory than

16:50

i wanted to because really

16:53

, was just worried she wasn't going to last too

16:55

many more rounds of this so so

16:57

day's end i was kind of wiped out i

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guess i compared to when you're

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driving and a heavy snowfalls you know leaning

17:04

forward and and do your focus

17:06

and your worry are so acute

17:09

minutes after minute that when you finally get your driveway

17:13

use your beat not be scattered tension

17:15

headache that's when it was like

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interviewing mary your

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now is a photo of may have to virus

17:24

and she was the one who told mary that

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ten fifteen in the room there that you

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can run down the road and the

17:31

couple of the adults who hadn't been able to get a lift

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to proud baptist just go

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get their car and come right back and maybe twenty minutes

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and she left the room

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and she never actually

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right out of the building the doors on that side

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noted that sixty

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seconds later but to be sound

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but they needed dental

17:51

, to make the identification

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see the moment

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you know when you and do

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they'll kill yourself

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, she's as a kid you know that that

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the sounds like sure that's

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what it sounded like when it broke can other

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room

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the conversation with the first our we spoke

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you can see how to intensive her body language

18:42

is very new oiled sitting

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, upright just

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offscreen to her right very

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strategically eliminated from the

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frame is a bottle of scotch which

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she kept nearby she

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kept drinking from it little

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by little of course three

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hours you'd never know and to

19:02

study the level just kept going down

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and our

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no was telling me voucher save

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your ass dental date as he accidentally

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as to auto

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it was super sweet you

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didn't really keep in touch so much

19:23

you know

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it wasn't meant to be

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the see a movie right and

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, the last

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survivor of the saturday ministries

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and it'll be so whitelaw very

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all american look eighteen years after

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the incident as we didn't mean for her hair

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to look so blonde and radiant

19:51

on film with a light coming through that

19:53

window behind who just happen this

19:56

discussion of movie popcorn we have

19:58

here i just went on and on because

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i wasn't a rowdy they

20:02

get into her memories of the day of the disaster

20:05

he started when i asked her about seeing the movie

20:07

was noah two nights before

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and off we went in a very friendly way about

20:12

our preferences a movie theater popcorn

20:15

which was a nice way to interview her but it didn't exactly

20:17

lead to stirring cinema cinema

20:19

or that was snubbed smaller

20:22

, sort of of

20:26

, to reconstruct

20:28

the creatures from spree

20:30

over ways to the film

20:33

we weren't sure how we were going to sell

20:37

the , this this

20:39

, kansas bag full

20:42

of my son blocks each

20:44

one was about six inches about

20:46

her we spend an hour

20:48

we from up hour

20:51

one long path and

20:53

in the morning up with them back in morning back to

20:55

come home dating

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back to christopher no

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explanation for town think dating back

21:03

told him what we did

21:06

and none of the survivors we show

21:09

indian kegs excluding donald

21:12

kokoschka lived

21:14

more than fifteen miles from proud

21:16

like baptist even eighteen years later when

21:19

we first arrived in town i'd

21:21

never been there we came by car i

21:24

saw a pen and mavis

21:26

was very grey day or so

21:28

gray we had the headlights

21:31

on even though it wasn't raining and

21:33

i could feel something as we passed be

21:35

sign on the side of the road that says welcome to

21:37

atlas the jokes

21:39

logo and such i felt this weird

21:42

negative energy assertive creep

21:45

up my spine totally

21:48

psychosomatic thing but in that moment

21:50

i wondered my god

21:52

why do these people

21:55

still live anywhere near here

21:57

that was like about ten percent of it's popular

22:00

in the three years after what

22:03

happened to doesn't two completely opposite

22:05

of the trend of all the surrounding towns but

22:07

these people did not leave the

22:11

article though also reminded me she

22:13

said can try

22:15

not to say the word for the

22:17

same that attack

22:19

use the word it when you

22:21

can it make

22:24

it easier for them so you can

22:26

see me trying to do that ms interviews as best as

22:28

i could but there are times when it doesn't sound natural

22:30

sound natural i

22:32

think that when donald kokoschka made

22:35

a reference to that one word

22:37

i think that's probably would be was talking

22:39

about

22:43

the river or the any time to think about

22:45

anyone else like all

22:56

for coming on our

22:59

down maybe someone will cause will

23:01

don't remember any conscious thought about

23:04

anything i

23:06

know a good health a for the police coordinated

23:09

and mater both yeah

23:12

i think someone else did try but killed

23:16

save your life

23:19

absolutely he did

23:23

how's he doing

23:29

now here is this extraordinary footage

23:31

this is kind of thing hollywood

23:33

, recreate recreate grainy

23:36

handheld video from the night after

23:39

the attack this isn't a police video

23:41

this is the video an insurance

23:43

investigator insurance is

23:45

going to take us into the building one

23:48

twenty cherry road just cross ran

23:50

just from proud like baptist

23:53

and baptist don't know why this video was taken at night this

23:55

video they probably wanted to sure

23:57

how dark it would have been in there and how

24:00

lights one forces you just

24:02

saw the cracks in the west

24:04

exterior wall there's the camera person has

24:06

passed it it , still a while before

24:09

we understand the significance of the

24:11

crack on he vermin

24:13

inspector and removed and scaffolding

24:16

that was sort of temporarily suing

24:18

it and , had replaced it was

24:20

that simple how something could have gotten into

24:23

and and that space with

24:25

nobody see or

24:28

hear you can see how darkness first floor

24:30

area is no emergency lights are

24:32

on even though the light mounted

24:34

on this person's camera sometimes spots

24:37

the housing or those lights are

24:40

again if only those exit might have been

24:42

on there would not have been the state of utter

24:45

darkness and maybe

24:47

that alone would have been enough to make

24:50

me environment inside his big empty building

24:53

desirable to avoid members being

24:55

forced when he was twenty eight watch

24:57

the footage for some attorney who apparently

25:00

said when you created

25:02

a home for that the

25:06

we're in a small boy one room here i guess

25:08

you'd call it is then the camera

25:11

moves into miss flight of stairs in

25:13

this footage we

25:16

will see the camera ghost of two doors

25:18

and some of that sundance

25:20

said to me after screening well how did the

25:22

dirt it's good , for for

25:25

the top four screws do but

25:27

as you just saw it was a simple

25:29

push bar mechanism that anyone

25:31

or anything can figure out fast

25:33

enough enough we're

25:36

on the fifth floor the camera pans here

25:38

just like the director of a narrative film

25:41

would do even on this is just an

25:43

insurance document really be taken

25:46

totally empty space in all directions

25:49

the man floor you can see how

25:51

attractive this environment would have been

25:56

and event the final piece in the puzzle maybe

25:58

was this standing

26:00

water over that had been leaking

26:02

into the booth it was never proven that the

26:04

storm six nights earlier had caused

26:07

this week it , judged

26:09

more likely than not did so

26:12

maybe if that storm had never

26:14

happened there was

26:16

no available sustaining

26:19

water source

26:20

the attack with ever

26:26

what is so striking about

26:28

all this footage to me is that you never hear anyone

26:30

behind the camera so it was likely

26:33

just one person alone in this building

26:36

that night documenting all these little

26:38

bits of the evidence of neglect

26:41

walking to the dark with a slight mounted

26:43

on the camera i don't think anyone knows

26:45

who the camera person was the

26:49

camera to sort of wanders to

26:51

darker is so much space

26:53

no junk furniture anything it was a florida

26:55

was never use

26:58

here the

26:59

mounted light water out for just a moment

27:01

and you see the reddish

27:04

the night sky through that window near where the water

27:06

had been clicking on the floor and that

27:08

ambient light in the sky

27:11

this was taken would actually have been coming from the

27:13

beacons the emergency crews

27:16

had set up to clean up the wreckage

27:18

of proud like baptist next door

27:21

about thirty six hours after

27:23

the attack

27:27

marry again this was maybe the hardest

27:30

stretch of her interview always

27:35

hard to start over somewhere else we

27:37

don't know anybody to

27:40

find a job

27:44

you talk about the sort

27:47

, geography of your last last

27:50

inside the gym before

27:52

he found you a

27:54

gallon more of a rec room but

27:57

it was a little bit of fitness equipment and now

27:59

summer

27:59

sorry about your work here

28:02

, this map here here

28:04

the left there's another there's it's

28:06

typically closer you didn't run for didn't

28:09

closed the rec room was just

28:11

the first place near he saw wasn't even going

28:13

for he was just seen door

28:16

in the chaos door you when she

28:18

wasn't following anybody and nobody was foaming her

28:20

she assumed everyone was dead you didn't

28:22

go back down near the go down the hallway

28:25

she told me she saw on out the six or seven

28:27

people running i get very confused

28:29

here my the logistics of that moment but

28:32

i didn't want to pressure on that what would have always

28:34

assumed that

28:36

she was in that spot i was pointing

28:38

to on the map on the screen there and the people she

28:40

saw her on the other side of

28:43

the true that's and the joy to choose

28:45

between them so she was totally cut

28:47

off from them no real hope now

28:50

we cut away here because mary blacked

28:52

out we panic to south dot

28:54

thirty seconds to splashed out in a

28:56

chair recipient , the sentence

28:59

and know when she came around she

29:01

told us that this just happened sometimes was

29:03

the big deal in the end we had

29:05

to go mostly with what mary told police

29:08

that it doesn't to which was fragmented

29:10

even then we had had

29:12

of how to present was

29:14

visually with her memory being so unreliable

29:17

so we decided to do this in montage

29:20

showing the actual words on the actual

29:22

pages testimony some

29:24

people could say could say of goes

29:26

against the concept of film being a visual

29:29

medium i would argue that these

29:31

twelve or thirteen shots of be black

29:34

ink on this white paper this visibly

29:36

aging paper showing these words

29:39

are intensely visible photo

29:43

that we cut to you could see that it

29:46

was in the room she escaped to

29:48

in that moment was stack of lottie

29:50

mats and the couple treadmills mary

29:53

rents that little closet area we highlighted

29:55

which didn't even have a door and scratched

29:58

the vacuum cleaner this

30:00

was her defense and then

30:03

immediately the door

30:06

the open

30:07

you can see the door lying on the floor

30:09

very briefly in

30:11

these photos from two dozen to we see on the screen

30:14

now you don't even really see the full extent

30:16

of the burns scout on her face and neck

30:18

the distance from her spot in

30:21

one corner and the door was about twenty

30:23

feet in talking to investigators

30:25

they were able to confirm that even that

30:28

would have been the equivalent of standing

30:31

over and open ovens and to

30:33

dot five hundred degrees and

30:35

the drainage and came closer from

30:38

there

30:46

and he can

30:49

, feel , to

30:52

me favors can can close can eyes

30:55

and then think about quit

31:01

count the seconds before turned

31:04

moved back out of the room

31:06

and room tell me how long

31:08

it was eye contact

31:13

now and wanna do

31:15

that earlier

31:19

because it i think i know i

31:22

just elena four

31:30

seconds actual second

31:32

yeah i'm not some estimation

31:50

so the debate has gone on for twenty

31:53

years now why the drainage

31:55

hesitated with married and

31:57

then retreated mary and no

32:00

one else has never been any evidence

32:02

of , with anyone else and

32:05

i didn't want to clog the film with his theories because

32:08

because takes us too far away from the people the stories

32:10

about so we shot interviews

32:12

on that topic we shot him at rutgers university

32:14

was shot him at iowa maybe

32:16

they'll be extras in the stevie i don't know but the

32:19

me and i just never heard anything convincing

32:22

really the most convincing theory remains

32:25

the eye color theory mary would have fallen

32:28

into that grouping but

32:30

it's so terrible how little evidence

32:32

we have the now twenty

32:34

two years after the dreaded his

32:36

first attack and through

32:38

the six that came since the

32:41

eye color theory still doesn't have

32:43

nearly enough weight or data

32:46

to it to prove anything or

32:48

the solo kills version which

32:50

is another possibility that some experts

32:53

have floated the

32:55

end though it was mary herself it'll be off

32:57

camera that she simply felt she

32:59

was cursed i'll

33:01

never forget her saying that the end of her

33:04

driveway at the time the

33:06

thought that was the runway

33:08

comment i barely get a second thought then

33:11

about a month later when we

33:14

found out what we did adult what

33:16

happened to her in france

33:18

years after the saturday minister

33:20

incident then that comment

33:22

came back to me and it was given a very

33:25

profound

33:26

meaning

33:28

i need to take a break here and i

33:31

don't feel i should talk over this clip from

33:34

the very first recorded

33:36

attack the chain of rocks

33:39

water treatment plants outside

33:41

st louis in ,

33:44

tina turner

34:03

okay we're comeback were

34:06

picking up a little later in the film they

34:09

have to confess i've had a couple of

34:11

drinks before recording this stretches

34:13

commentary because his stretch here

34:17

especially with the lisa stuff it's

34:20

always gotten to me in a very simple gut

34:23

punch kind of way let's

34:25

, up with a stretch of interviews beginning of here

34:27

with you go or hama hama

34:30

a woman who was the first to see something

34:33

emerging from one twenty cherry

34:35

that morning april twenty seventh just

34:37

about ten twenty yukos standing

34:40

here right at the intersection where she'd been back

34:42

in two thousand and two a two i'm

34:47

there's no contest here but yuko i

34:49

just front of america front time

34:51

she was exchange student shoes

34:53

starting her work on her masters in

34:57

civil engineering she'd come to atlas

34:59

to stay with stay cousin they'd never even

35:01

met april twenty seventh was ucas

35:03

for the day america over

35:06

the credits we will see her

35:09

and so rendering of what she saw

35:11

searching across the road he

35:14

did not actually create this

35:16

rendering and just past five years ago

35:19

at age twenty one which wasn't two

35:21

thousand two she said she

35:24

had no artistic talent whatsoever

35:27

she said she , up sketching

35:29

a year after the attack attack

35:32

she's never been sure whether it was maybe

35:34

that morning of april twenty seventh that stirred

35:36

something in or something that needed

35:39

to be

35:40

expressed

35:42

in some way that she didn't that

35:44

has been over dinner and

35:47

she still sketches today

35:52

and here's lisa again and

35:54

i need more drinking is just

35:57

second

36:00

i have to keep telling

36:02

myself even today how

36:05

, she and noah noah

36:07

or really knew each other just couple of conversations

36:10

and church and then the one date

36:12

and the next time we saw each saw not

36:15

even any time to catch up to pick out to be saturday

36:18

ministry it proud like baptist

36:20

and we're almost immediately

36:23

in separate rooms such

36:25

long way between them so

36:28

it is always

36:31

the seemed unthinkable to me what know what did

36:34

i think of myself

36:36

that age sixteen

36:40

and how wrapped up in myself i was

36:42

and the i can't seem to

36:44

make any connection between

36:47

this kid noah and

36:50

even you don't i

36:52

am now i talk whose parents

36:54

briefly didn't want to go on camera i think it was trying

36:56

to uncover that thing

36:59

that was inside him that send

37:01

him out into bed center

37:04

claude out of a classroom where he

37:06

seemed save out of their

37:08

through window onto that grassy

37:10

cloud alone and exposed

37:14

he knew lisa was over

37:17

there and for no other reason

37:19

it's it's not built into our nature

37:22

at that age to go awards

37:25

death

37:26

that if you're a teenager new jersey

37:28

who likes

37:29

the building models and playing kickball

37:31

and and there's no other way to interpret the

37:34

timeline and the madison

37:37

, photographs that noah knew

37:39

what he the risk

37:42

there were

37:43

so many people already dead but he went

37:45

and got the window on that

37:47

side and he saw what he saw

37:50

and he acted this

37:52

, a kid who at ten o'clock was so worried

37:54

that he might screw up bringing those

37:56

refreshments he was thinking oh my

37:58

gosh did my buying of ice

38:01

is the ice for the suit is

38:03

melting to sanders did i not

38:06

bringing a non sugary stuff

38:08

because we have two diabetic same kid

38:11

the

38:16

nagging thought of fourth year for

38:18

a bit between the sexes her know

38:20

and lisa and after the first time we take

38:22

the camera inside

38:25

, d rebuilt thousand a status

38:27

complex missed some some

38:29

videos we the end of what

38:32

everything looks like between about

38:34

nineteen ninety two and nineteen ninety

38:36

nine

38:41

remember know i would give us trail

38:43

mix and we interviewed him ice

38:45

tea and trail mix you

38:49

remember about people are , around

38:51

his apartment and i would get an inexplicably

38:55

that and at night i would go home and

38:57

i would think of

39:00

course these should be together

39:03

today , day who should be married

39:05

to each other why shouldn't one

39:08

beautiful little thing of come out of all this

39:10

instead of them never having

39:13

even the second date and lisa

39:15

getting married to someone else widest

39:17

have to be this way and not that way i

39:21

came to rationalize it for my own peace

39:24

of mind by looking at it like the

39:26

now had a kind of bolland that can never

39:28

be broke maybe that's the narrative i

39:31

can live with it wasn't meant to be that they should

39:33

keep getting and fall in love maybe that was to

39:35

normal it was meant

39:38

that they have something else

39:40

that's unseen end the

39:43

ending and

39:45

the serious

39:47

did you know your arm was broken

39:50

there was no

39:53

can look down at

40:51

the have to separate

40:53

so i guess you call them during the filming

40:57

the documentary was something i'd never experienced

41:01

mary came first we're seeing here

41:03

is the second day of interviews and using definitely

41:05

bomb hung over her we weren't getting very

41:08

far here and was not a very good taste know who's

41:10

i tried to get a few more details from her

41:12

about what , was like

41:14

to see the shortage so close to

41:16

told out and move on

41:19

as i recall it to that night and more than

41:21

called me up you just been continuing very

41:24

conventional background research on the runway shown

41:26

the film nothing terribly invasive

41:28

and an old friend of mary's from

41:30

back then when i think didn't like

41:32

her very much or keep his name potentially

41:35

he's had been well you know about to de souza

41:37

right and then that

41:40

neither one of a said something that married

41:43

kept from us not an outright lies

41:45

each just didn't want to pull that dame out from the past

41:48

understandably she changed her name

41:51

two thousand four and the

41:53

french police in the french courts had gone

41:55

to considerable length to keep her identity

41:59

secret we talk on the screen

42:01

here i don't know yet about the standard

42:03

for of life watching

42:06

, movie now it's me it's very obvious

42:09

how distressed was looking rise

42:11

and i know that she was an encrypted something very

42:13

dark but to her credit she

42:15

says here and she has answered my questions

42:17

synergy not been more one of the victims

42:20

was screaming was he tried to run away

42:23

and originally we thought of naming the film

42:26

that , phrase screaming

42:28

right down to the broken grammar there's

42:30

a monster got in the room but

42:34

mary told us later this day after we stopped shooting

42:37

pool that you can be true that's what the words

42:39

were exactly so excited next

42:45

there he has been found out about de de souza and

42:47

now here we are this speech

42:49

exterior of santarem in

42:51

it and share guess i'm

42:54

, france or dot pronunciation this

42:56

is absolutely the last place in the

42:58

world i thought we'd wind up up

43:00

this documentary this days footage was shot

43:02

on actually is the very last

43:05

shot we regard for the film's exterior

43:08

i'd never been inside he women's prison

43:10

before much less in france and the

43:13

location of caf prison specially

43:15

strangers on the former side of the

43:18

the largest mental hospital in the country

43:21

to a close to nineteen fifty for the land

43:23

the old building look down on the town from hill

43:25

winner in a very intimidating

43:27

way then when the region needed

43:29

a location to build the new women's prison

43:31

they chose that exact spot i

43:34

on the hill it's a small building in

43:36

the center courtyard with in the

43:38

walls of p former

43:41

mental hospital that's how big it was and

43:44

i can't really put into words

43:46

how dire the atmosphere in that prison

43:49

with an awful place to be listing

43:53

says i was twenty four

43:55

who was convicted she'd been

43:58

the prison for more than four years

43:59

or this time in

44:03

may of twenty fourteen

44:06

a group of american and canadian tourists

44:08

in to lose and registered

44:11

for their hotel to go on a day hiking trip in the

44:13

countryside very common sense now

44:15

and together in a van six people

44:17

total including the driver from the

44:19

hotel when they got to

44:21

a small parking injury

44:23

in the woods there was one other

44:25

vehicle there and three

44:28

people immediately got out of this was the

44:30

de souza and his

44:32

brother and sister and they

44:35

abducted the group the

44:37

band more than an hour away marched

44:39

amounts to the woods to the

44:42

struggling family farm on

44:44

this is a ransom scheme did he is

44:46

older brother the on had

44:48

been arrested two years before for burglary

44:50

and assault and he then

44:53

died in prison but what was

44:55

left of the sousa family were

44:57

not a living together on the farm for several

44:59

years they did not believe

45:01

he had died in prison they insisted that

45:04

dom had in fact been

45:06

taken away to a secret base

45:09

somewhere in france as part of a secret

45:11

program to impregnate

45:14

humans with alien

45:17

spawn this

45:19

is their belief they they demanded

45:22

that dumb be returned

45:24

to them or their american

45:26

the end canadian captives

45:28

would be though by

45:31

most accounts did he is younger sister

45:34

and younger brother had been relatively stable

45:36

people the had no conflicts of the law or their lives

45:38

until he moved back onto the farm after

45:41

their parents' death and slowly they seem

45:43

to fall under

45:46

the spell of is extreme

45:48

beliefs and in the and

45:50

is is complete insanity

45:53

the hostage situation

45:56

stretch on for six days

45:58

november of twenty fourteen it was very faint the

46:00

reason in france presse of course a field

46:02

day with it but they didn't understand how

46:04

dark and deranged

46:06

did he really was the

46:09

sixth day when it was obvious he was

46:11

going to get what he wanted and they'd been isolated

46:13

and cut off he ordered

46:16

his younger brother luke and

46:18

his sister ernestine who

46:20

take the hostages' individually into the

46:22

woods and killed the

46:25

ernestine refused and

46:27

snuck off form he intended

46:30

to find the police and help them intervene

46:33

one

46:34

first

46:35

was chosen to live who's actually

46:37

let go to make a way to the countryside

46:39

always you to do was promise not to tell

46:41

anyone where they were

46:43

the woman who had been

46:45

inexplicably spared me

46:48

saturday ministry incident

46:50

very neary

47:02

it was used to live he could he have he

47:04

said they didn't always said represents

47:06

chocolaty city

47:09

lot of on a gentle managed to fail it

47:11

was the order that i was told was told with photos

47:13

to the i was worried about some remote another

47:16

on out so he said to do it in

47:18

a certain order productivity

47:26

know when you may want suffocated

47:29

before that he followed because

47:31

he was the strongest and the talked the most

47:46

only you over no denying any

47:49

visited any may or yeah this isn't

47:51

a good the discuss of a deal to

47:55

do not kill out

48:05

the latest release of city super super

48:07

pointed be this on door to the latest

48:09

book club

48:10

he

48:12

declined to the i wasn't thinking straight on both

48:14

went on a none of us were leonard

48:16

yeah he like it was just said getting

48:19

a little said she'll i showed him kindest

48:22

and that she shouldn't be harmed got

48:28

a stumbling around because i couldn't see much

48:32

that substance the gotten all over my face

48:34

and in my eyes the

48:36

a mess that it's sprays out

48:39

the show my face and my trust burning

48:41

him there is lisa

48:44

screaming the where was she

48:46

in relation to the kurdish he

48:50

was distracted by a bunch of cyrus horns

48:52

a came once for the parking

48:55

lot she

48:57

was able to run toward me she was about

48:59

i don't know twenty feet away orange

49:04

i think distracted and

49:07

sort of this man running for the both of us

49:09

but the man didn't make it you

49:12

talked with something about doing something

49:14

strange yeah some

49:18

reason it started to kind of screamed

49:22

so loud that drowned out everything that

49:25

family there

49:28

was pretty horrible it

49:30

was like anger

49:33

there is more like

49:35

no staring down at this

49:38

poor man the floor

49:41

what of the done to him started

49:44

to scream i can add some kind

49:46

of triumph

49:50

are you got everything it was just

49:54

the old and it's euphoria

49:58

for those listening now

50:02

when , feels under assault

50:06

the relentless

50:09

the road it will

50:11

reportedly you

50:15

a function of it's biology it's

50:17

chemistry no one who survived

50:19

april twenty seventh actually saw this happened but it must

50:21

have the evidence was found everywhere the entire

50:23

hallway in that part of the buildings coated with that black

50:25

white substance the

50:28

drought it's since

50:31

we inflate it's

50:33

upper limbs

50:35

the

50:37

i pour

50:39

rush into them from the lower

50:41

part of it's body and then when the loons

50:43

reach a point of max

50:46

i'm i'm

50:48

that city and they are utterly standard

50:51

which gives the appearance the

50:53

drug which has almost doubled in size

50:56

there is an eruption that's

51:00

the only word for it the limbs are destroyed

51:03

and the i color is

51:05

released at it's highest temperature every

51:08

direction and then

51:12

the creature has to go to mode of self preservation

51:14

until regeneration of the loons takes

51:16

place but nothing's going to survive

51:19

that eruption of the pieces of it's own self

51:21

the substances lethal

51:24

until it's he'd and it's acidity

51:26

can be brought under control or efficiently which

51:28

is with the rescuers the

51:31

of the bodies in the hallway could barely

51:33

be identified the

51:37

point where we made the choice to truly break

51:39

from the reality read established through all

51:41

these very plainly shot interviews

51:43

because what noah describes

51:45

, hear the visual image of so powerful

51:48

to me i thought maybe it's time

51:50

in the film from become something different so we

51:52

went to animation the

51:54

woman who created these animations is

51:57

stacey westberg says one many awards

51:59

for work

51:59

i was lucky to get

52:01

we took some artistic liberty here both and need

52:03

description of what it looks like back then and

52:06

what happened inside the building but an essence we're seeing

52:08

what they did we were true even

52:10

to a the detail of know

52:12

our our how he took a hold of lisa

52:14

by the upper arm or by the hand but by

52:17

the upper arm and of desperation

52:19

almost like you'd see a bouncer leading someone out of

52:21

a bar by force until we

52:23

did it was nothing as romantic

52:25

as pulling her by the hand the hand has shown

52:27

here

52:28

here we have the

52:31

animation telling the rest of noah

52:33

and mrs story in silence except

52:35

for the music the last most

52:38

of the vision in his left eye that point there's

52:41

a photo of space reporter turkey can see

52:43

it online lisa

52:46

was there guys the last hundred feet she

52:49

made the final very smart

52:51

split second judgment to double

52:53

back and head through the north

52:55

exit guiding him

53:00

the destructive the fact that no experience

53:02

to the hallway was dark because of the dust

53:05

clouds that were created

53:07

from me the portion of

53:09

the roof collapsing with is totally free

53:11

thing what happened was that there

53:13

was a police vehicle the van parked across the street

53:15

and we got married sixty seconds

53:17

before and the son had

53:20

, she can lose the clouds bit and reached

53:22

a certain angle angle

53:25

it in the footage very dramatically

53:28

and powerfully almost blindingly

53:30

of one of the mirrors

53:32

and it's shown this is hence square

53:35

of light toward noah

53:37

and he pulled lisa toward back

53:40

for seconds out of some kind of exploit

53:42

kind the dark the will only

53:45

a single after

53:48

showing to an open window just briefly

53:50

and here this us

53:53

burger draws for a second a very powerful

53:55

way with no actually

53:57

so looking so young rowing

54:00

the cost the surface and dark

54:02

roiling see red sky

54:04

them and me see a

54:07

beacon on land drawing them

54:10

your way of escape they

54:13

have to contend with these terrible waves

54:17

the pair

54:26

i left my house on monday night

54:28

it so

54:38

drunk i would go out the

54:42

shotgun and i'd given the car

54:45

and had for the fine the

54:49

guy going to jail so that

55:03

so what we do here was take the camera

55:05

out is always at night we tried to find the spot

55:07

roughly where bill savoy went

55:10

at night and two thousand and two and was looking at

55:12

all and been so many years has been so

55:14

drunk and

55:16

we wound up going up and down this fire road

55:18

sleaze or the pine barrens is south

55:20

new jersey the screen here so

55:23

vast and empty bill

55:28

was convinced we're on the right track but

55:30

going twice up and down this route it's

55:33

just the fog lights was getting us anywhere but

55:35

finally said pullover said pullover

55:37

we did to ditch basically

55:39

because he had recognized impossible

55:42

as it seemed to he'd recognize to be entrance

55:45

to the tiny cemetery tiny the woods

55:47

to start ten graves it was it was war

55:49

cemetery totally overgrown

55:53

and we got out and he said that was where he

55:55

had started walking randomly for

55:57

about an hour with the shotgun team sobering

55:59

up you want of doing this big wide

56:01

loop in this spot and

56:04

about the halfway point the

56:06

heard the sound that he begins to talk

56:08

about here but he

56:11

had trouble describing it's we cut that part

56:13

out so what i did the

56:15

was accessed is vast

56:18

sound effects library through try

56:20

to take pictures and i wanted to play for bill about

56:23

, dozen sounds kind of like what he was

56:25

trying to describe and on

56:28

the third or fourth cody said that that's

56:32

when i heard this

56:34

is not in a movie we decided it was more effective

56:36

to just like a camera wander

56:39

here to the woods silently

56:41

so dark which brings us thematically

56:44

back to the sequence do the beginning when we were

56:46

wandering inside when tony cheery

56:48

road

56:50

in that moment when bill heard

56:53

that sound all alone and

56:55

outside to in the morning ten

56:57

, outside town keeping

56:59

the pine barrens barrens

57:01

told me he was he that

57:04

you wrote it was near as this

57:06

one in a million chance was real and

57:10

when was to run

57:18

hello everyone doing

57:21

, bit of a real life jump

57:24

cut here the last one the

57:26

do i think

57:30

now three weeks

57:32

after recorded the first part of this

57:35

dvd commentary it's october

57:38

well

57:40

i wanted to take

57:42

some time and think about when i've said

57:44

on this recording some for something

57:47

has happened out here in the real world

57:49

which understandably

57:51

made me

57:52

the house

57:55

three weeks ago in

57:57

grand junction colorado the

58:00

family visited an

58:03

old house they had

58:06

inherited from relative they

58:08

didn't grandmother house in the country so

58:10

this family for drove out to to appraise

58:13

what repairs would need to be done

58:15

to solve the place it wasn't in very habitable

58:18

condition but they did intend to stay

58:21

the whole weekend there

58:25

outback well

58:26

behind the house imagine

58:29

weeds was an old

58:32

the land horn rv from the seventies

58:35

totally this repair

58:37

upon pox basically noted

58:40

touched in years the

58:42

be the seats in the tabletop

58:44

inside it had been pulled out

58:46

long ago by a neighborhood

58:48

autumn for twenty dollars the

58:52

the mother and father to their two

58:54

children not to go new the rv

58:56

limited off limits for the weekend because

59:00

who knew what sort of injury they could get inside

59:02

that big old thing

59:05

the lambert's family

59:11

the

59:16

the french charlotte of this all these years she

59:20

was a total far cry from not to that extent

59:22

snuff you

59:24

remember the whole context

59:26

not really

59:29

how dot edu care any

59:31

recollections now not

59:34

censor junior year

59:42

so mad defensive and was not the movie

59:44

noah cut it totally wrong showed

59:47

, at seven made it was like a date

59:50

benjamin was

1:00:00

the and good

1:00:04

don't know what the point is it's going all

1:00:07

, way back to that cover

1:00:10

a snapshot of what happened what couple of days

1:00:12

before the attack

1:00:16

i think you want it all to be something it never

1:00:18

was an earthquake keep ,

1:00:20

back to it no absolutely

1:00:23

no

1:00:29

sweet but he is definitely

1:00:41

just some little

1:00:43

, we would say you know talking

1:00:45

about which boys we liked for

1:00:48

dating and which ones we didn't

1:00:50

but where the letters

1:00:58

you know

1:01:03

six months after their

1:01:05

interviews were shot film mary

1:01:09

neary the hall the

1:01:12

savoy on the phone she found

1:01:14

him and called him having never met him she'd

1:01:17

just read about of in some article connected

1:01:19

to the making of the documentary and

1:01:22

she called just to express

1:01:25

her empathy they

1:01:27

met and the next

1:01:29

i heard they've gotten

1:01:32

involved romantically but not

1:01:34

in very traditional sense

1:01:37

the two people in the film though i literally had dreams

1:01:40

about being together never would be never

1:01:42

will be but ill and

1:01:44

mary the now connected

1:01:47

they became to each other at exactly the

1:01:49

necessary moment in our lives

1:01:52

they found each other and other next time maybe

1:01:55

bill told me about a time last

1:01:58

year when the

1:02:00

he marry were just walking around town

1:02:02

together they tended to be outdoors a lot in

1:02:04

places with lot of people understandably

1:02:07

even though bill was nowhere near proud

1:02:10

like baptist on april twenty seventh

1:02:12

two thousand seventh in recent years

1:02:14

he developed a deep growing

1:02:16

fear of enclosures and

1:02:18

dimly lit places they

1:02:22

walked through barbecue

1:02:24

festival or something and and some guy

1:02:26

kept standing too close to marry

1:02:28

behind her and a soda line then

1:02:31

she turned on the sky and was verbally

1:02:33

vicious to him at

1:02:35

random really stoned bill the

1:02:39

told me he wrestled with that for

1:02:41

days thinking of how the two of them are going

1:02:43

to deal with each other's pain

1:02:45

day after day it didn't seem like

1:02:47

it work any

1:02:50

problems of at one point standing

1:02:52

in front of one twenty

1:02:55

cherry road the very

1:02:57

busy building that replaced

1:02:59

the one you don't long ago

1:03:02

and , when he forced himself to

1:03:04

climb up to the fifth floor the

1:03:07

seven floors now all filled up and

1:03:10

he went into the men's room next

1:03:12

to a dental lap up there and

1:03:15

you and himself in the mirror just

1:03:18

stood there

1:03:20

the started saying himself over and over again

1:03:23

the word relentless

1:03:27

we'll landless he

1:03:30

decided that their best

1:03:32

chance to kill

1:03:34

the same that had been hiding been hiding

1:03:36

building

1:03:38

was for he and married to keep

1:03:41

waking up together day after day

1:03:44

and never stuff

1:03:47

that about ten o'clock on the first night

1:03:50

of the lampard family

1:03:52

stay at their new the country house

1:03:54

in grand junction the little

1:03:56

boy jesse the

1:03:59

sound mouth

1:03:59

it

1:04:01

the would oppose father about it but it never

1:04:03

came back so the man

1:04:06

adam lambert decided

1:04:08

it was a lovely ny to show his son

1:04:11

the stars and take him out to where the

1:04:13

grass soutar shown some nature

1:04:17

the started there was a harmed

1:04:19

out behind that old dinosaur

1:04:22

of land or nervy

1:04:24

the

1:04:25

fifty yards behind it he hadn't known about

1:04:27

it just a very small pond

1:04:30

may be the size of a golf

1:04:32

green there is still

1:04:34

water and

1:04:37

they saw ducks sleeping

1:04:39

beside it and adam

1:04:41

lang part the do his wife

1:04:44

hey

1:04:46

maybe we should stay

1:04:50

i don't know what the endgame is try

1:04:55

to share some true stories

1:04:57

with people

1:04:59

wouldn't

1:05:00

find him otherwise vegas

1:05:03

the one thing you never

1:05:06

really have to feel as

1:05:07

is that that

1:05:09

be sitting

1:05:12

, their couch and like

1:05:14

you're choosing around the channels

1:05:17

though every channel now has

1:05:20

these rows and rows of little sisters

1:05:23

the title of each

1:05:24

hundreds and hundreds

1:05:26

of little boxes and one

1:05:28

day out as out as happened in always

1:05:30

thought this door

1:05:32

but you

1:05:33

worked hard of personally you

1:05:35

get their most there is you're

1:05:37

trying to say something funny movie watcher

1:05:39

some some

1:05:41

, cruise thing in in

1:05:44

city's see that said that

1:05:47

oh well a a fear laces

1:05:50

it's a some the pile of all the other stories

1:05:53

assembly lines of assembly pumping you

1:05:55

know and you still have square

1:05:58

people square slipping past because

1:05:59

grabby enough deployments

1:06:04

the my thing you should feel guilty

1:06:06

about it but like all this

1:06:09

all this effort with a license

1:06:11

cam such as

1:06:14

hell that's how

1:06:16

all this stuff winds up

1:06:21

that's about as far away from

1:06:23

understanding the shoes of people's

1:06:25

experience the see things yes

1:06:37

i'm scared of the judge

1:06:40

the believe i have said fairly

1:06:44

recently i tossed oxford

1:06:46

professor was really

1:06:49

scared of flying really scared

1:06:52

and he had to be used out about odds

1:06:54

are you want how safe it is of course we

1:06:56

all know that what

1:06:59

is

1:07:00

the universe

1:07:02

doesn't work the way we think one

1:07:04

of the thing where most afraid of in

1:07:07

our own individual reality that we

1:07:09

live in and that no one else truly

1:07:12

, were touches what if

1:07:14

that's how each of

1:07:16

us will dot by

1:07:18

this man's logic if that's the

1:07:20

case

1:07:22

then it's it's road h

1:07:24

the will somehow find me one day

1:07:26

one of them billion chance find me

1:07:28

in a vulnerable moment

1:07:30

out on the trail maybe and sense

1:07:33

me from ah the mean

1:07:35

where it's hiding

1:07:37

stock me burn me

1:07:40

the they're me to pieces the

1:07:44

more i think about this processors theory

1:07:46

the more it makes a

1:07:48

kind of strange very elemental

1:07:51

sense crawling

1:07:54

lurching weeping

1:07:56

what's life away

1:07:57

it's the drought it

1:07:59

i think about

1:08:01

no one can answer

1:08:03

the question where

1:08:05

is it now

1:08:10

and he and music tix

1:08:13

yourself we

1:08:15

don't have to be with these people anymore