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not not knowledge far today. Damn,

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and Jordan Prime. The one lettuce. acknowledge

0:19

park dot com. It's down to break. I

0:21

have great respect for knowledge, mate.

0:24

Knowledge park. I'm sick of them posing

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as if they're the good guys shank me are

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the bad guys. Your knowledge will find And

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enjoy the knowledge fight me.

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the and the

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and the and the and the

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and the and the You and

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me need to start on the break. Andy and Kansas

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shirt on the airplace for holding him.

0:49

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0:51

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I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome

1:00

back now to Trent. I'm Dan. I'm George. a couple dudes

1:03

like to sit around feed from the

1:05

bottom, worship with the altar of Celine

1:07

and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh,

1:09

indeed, we are Dan. Jordan. Jordan. Jordan.

1:11

Quick question for you. So what's your bright spot today,

1:13

buddy? My bright spot today, Jordan, is I was

1:15

doing laundry, and I walked past

1:18

an apartment on the way to the laundry room,

1:20

and got that smell a weed. Yes.

1:23

Yeah. Yeah. And I immediately said

1:25

yum yum. The

1:27

indoor weed smell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't

1:29

I don't smoke weed. anymore --

1:31

Absolutely. -- outdoors. I have in

1:33

my day. Mhmm. And there is still a

1:36

a fondness that I have for the smile of

1:37

weed when hear when I feel when

1:40

hear or feel or smile. When I hear

1:42

the smell of weed and the air, it

1:45

wafts a little bit heavier. When I hear the feeling

1:47

of the smell. Yeah. And it just well,

1:49

it made me think of those days back when

1:51

I was living in apartments. Yeah. And,

1:54

like, you just come up with these, like,

1:56

alright. Here's how I'm gonna get away with

1:58

smoking weed secrets. Totally. because illegal

2:00

and then One hundred percent call the police

2:02

on me. Yep. And then you'd have those, like,

2:04

toilet paper tubes with, like, fabric

2:07

softener sheets. Yep. Yep. low

2:10

of the weed through like, I'm totally cool, man. That

2:12

is That was, like, laundry. Yeah.

2:14

That was the worst idea. Anybody's

2:17

ever had. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

2:19

That's good. You know, that's weird. I have zero

2:21

fond memories of all the times

2:23

that I've smoked indoor cigarettes indoors,

2:25

you know. Mhmm. Like the stink of that gets inside

2:28

the walls. Yeah. That kind of thing.

2:30

Yeah. And the stink with weed smoke,

2:32

I do remember fun. It still

2:34

gets in inside the walls, but it's like a weird

2:36

fun house version of inside

2:39

the walls. The flip side of that though is if

2:41

you spill bong water on a rug. That's

2:43

an issue. you. Yeah. That's gotta that's a problem

2:45

needs to be solved with fire. Right. That's right.

2:48

Yeah. There's a listful for those, you know,

2:50

those old days. I recognize that. What about

2:52

you? What's your bright spot? My bright spot,

2:54

Dan, is that the the world

2:56

series. Mhmm. They're playing it. Yes. They

2:58

are. happening. I understand the Philly's

3:01

are playing. Yeah. It's the Philly's versus

3:03

the Astros. Astros. Yeah. Yeah.

3:05

The Astros. is his favorite team.

3:07

Yeah. Astros. cheaters, liars

3:09

-- That's what I hear. -- I've been in the world

3:11

series and all that stuff, playoffs. Boom.

3:14

Sure. Boom. on that recently.

3:16

Right? Yeah. Come on back. Oh, they won what?

3:19

Two out of the past six years of the Oh, jeez.

3:21

Maybe three? More than five. Yeah.

3:23

They won a lot. Good for them. No. Not

3:25

good for them. Cheaters. Cheaters in

3:27

hires of it. Okay. But

3:30

very exciting still baseball. Yeah. It's

3:32

great. My favorite player is on the Philly. Sure.

3:35

No. Kyle Schwaber. Schwaber?

3:38

noted Cub's hero from the twenty

3:40

sixteen world series. Sure. But you

3:42

talk about Shohio, Tony. Oh, but don't Well,

3:44

yeah. Show you what? Show you how Tony's, like,

3:47

god can't be your hero. You

3:49

know? Like your hero is a killing. means

3:51

to be a human. Yeah. Exactly. It

3:53

can't be it can't be zoo snow he's like, oh,

3:55

Zeus is the greatest Mortality is required absolutely

3:58

for idolizing. Indeed. And Schwaberry

3:59

is my favorite kind of baseball player.

4:02

It's the kind of guy that owns only exists in

4:04

baseball. You know? Somebody Baseball's

4:06

very no. No. No. Somebody was very big,

4:08

mostly uncoordinated, but hits

4:10

balls far. Mhmm. It is that kind

4:13

of guy can't run very fast.

4:15

Case people who are like the d h. Yeah.

4:17

Absolutely. But god damn it if he's a

4:19

big dude who hits Ball's far. Right. I'm

4:21

thinking -- Great. -- like a big

4:23

big poppy or teas. That is a

4:25

little bit different. A big poppy was He

4:27

was a little hitter. He was a big dude, but he

4:29

was also a good hitter. Yeah. I'm talking more

4:31

about your Adam Dunn types. The guy who's

4:34

like six foot five, he

4:36

swings a beautiful bat and he's gonna

4:38

miss it. Ninety nine percent of the time it

4:40

hits a hit. Oh, it's gone, baby.

4:42

Sort of like one of those people who's like not a

4:44

great boss. or but if they hit you they hit you, you're

4:46

dead. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. He's got

4:48

one punch. And if it connects, you're in the

4:50

stratosphere. But otherwise you want. Yeah.

4:52

Is that gonna take? That is a that is a

4:54

fun sort of athlete

4:56

because it is like the tension is

4:58

is like always high. Yeah. because

5:00

this this could be over in a second. Absolutely.

5:03

It's a it's a Baseball has those guy.

5:05

You know, like, another subset of that guy is

5:07

the big fat guy who can throw hard. Right.

5:09

You know, he's left handed pitcher. Mhmm. He's

5:11

huge. Can't run for shit,

5:13

but goddamn it. He throws ninety five. What are you gonna

5:15

do? Yeah. Put

5:17

him on the mound. I have an affinity

5:20

for the Fili's for no reason.

5:22

Actually, it's my old roommate. It was a big it

5:24

was from Philly. Yes. And he would

5:26

talk about it quite a bit. Right. Right. Right. And

5:29

yeah. I had some good

5:31

times watching sixers games with

5:33

him and shit. Philly Philly's

5:35

games. Watching sports with Philly fan

5:37

is is a lot of fun as long as they're

5:39

winning. Yes. Yes. Then it's great. Mhmm.

5:41

Thankfully, he was more of a sad

5:45

when they lose, then angry. Oh, that's good.

5:47

So that made the living situation a little

5:49

bit more more tangible. Yeah. So

5:51

Jordan, today we have an episode

5:53

to go over. Mhmm. As we know, Alex

5:56

has been on a permanent Roman holiday

5:58

vacation -- Indeed. -- for a bit. And

6:00

so at this point, as we come

6:03

into the week, we still don't

6:05

know what to do. Thankfully,

6:08

We have depositions. Yay.

6:11

So I don't know weird.

6:14

Yeah. I had kind of thought maybe

6:16

we would wait a little bit longer to

6:18

do this. But, hey, the the occasion is

6:20

here, the space needs to be filled, and

6:23

people enjoy it. health.

6:25

Inexplicably, so in the

6:27

Connecticut case, Alex had

6:29

four days of depositions. So

6:32

we have that to cover. and

6:34

that is impossible to do

6:36

in the context of one episode. Yeah. So today,

6:38

we'll be talking about day one.

6:41

of Alex's deposition in

6:43

the Connecticut case. And I should say just

6:45

to to give some clarity for this. Uh-huh.

6:47

This is the deposition that

6:49

he did after faking

6:51

a illness to not go to

6:54

Connecticut to sit for the the deposition.

6:56

Right. And then doctor Marbles gave him

6:58

that we had a diagnosis, and then it

7:00

turned out he had to sign his blockage and then, you

7:02

know, he had a little stuff he knows.

7:04

didn't make it. I think if I

7:06

were I think if I were devising

7:08

a a hell for Alex, it would

7:10

be like waking up on

7:12

Monday and being told you're gonna do

7:14

four days of depositions, and then

7:16

waking up the next Monday and being told you're

7:18

gonna do four forever and never

7:21

ever, you know. Like, never ending. Let me be

7:23

straight about something. Yeah. These are not

7:25

for straight days of deposition. Disappointing. Yeah.

7:27

I wanted to ever ed. because I believe

7:29

in the second day of deposition, they talk

7:31

about how they had to reschedule because Alex wanted

7:33

to go to Hawaii with his wife. Okay.

7:35

He's wearing a shirt for a luxury resort.

7:37

I mean, listen, I can't I

7:39

can't let go from making a murderer

7:42

interrogations to this shit, you know,

7:44

like that not okay. Another thing

7:46

I should point out is that there there's a

7:48

couple of things that'll become abundantly

7:50

clear as we go through this. And one is

7:52

that Alex hasn't learned anything from any

7:54

of these deposition experiences he's had. That

7:56

sounds right. He's still evading

7:58

and answering questions in ways

7:59

that are like, well, maybe that made

8:02

sense in the first deposition. Right. You

8:04

have since been asked

8:06

this question and told the answer.

8:08

Right. So you can't really say I don't know.

8:10

The time is packed. It's a little silly. Yeah.

8:12

And then the other thing is that Alex hates Chris

8:14

Maddie. It's very clear.

8:18

I I don't think that it would be fair to say

8:20

that he liked Mark but

8:23

he very seriously sees him.

8:25

He hate Chris Maddie. I'm

8:28

not sure why. They clearly

8:30

say that they have not met before.

8:32

Sure. Sure. Alex

8:34

is fucking mad at him.

8:36

Yeah. I could see that. I could see

8:38

that. I think Mark has something that

8:40

Alex regudgingly is like,

8:42

in another world, you know, that Perry

8:44

Mason moment thing, you know. Like, in another

8:46

world, I could see me and you being friends.

8:48

that guy didn't make. But it's sort of like

8:51

Owen's game recognized

8:54

game. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah.

8:56

Yeah. Yeah. It could be. I

8:58

think I think it's

9:01

more that if I had to

9:03

guess, I would guess that it's that Chris

9:05

Maddie is much more of what appears

9:07

to be a normal lawyer. Right. Then

9:09

then Mark. Right. Right. Mark has a kind of

9:11

rogue ish vibe to him.

9:13

Yeah. Whereas, matte

9:16

is is suit tie lawyer. Right.

9:19

And maybe Alex really hates

9:21

that. because he's sitting next

9:23

to Like, here's here's how I put it.

9:25

Okay. So Mehdi and Mark, both

9:27

lawyers now. Mhmm. Alright? We

9:29

go into a Mad Mac scenario

9:31

Mark might still be a lawyer in that scenario.

9:33

I think Mehdi is not gonna be a lawyer. No.

9:35

No. He's he's he's he's in the front of the truck,

9:37

you know. And and I accidentally touched on

9:39

another dynamic here and that is

9:41

that Norm is there. Yeah. That's unfortunate.

9:44

Boy, there are a couple points where

9:46

Norm seems to just wanna have fun.

9:49

and it's great. It's

9:51

inappropriate. Good work. Anyway, we will

9:53

get down to business on this in just a moment. But

9:55

first, Jordan, take a little moment to say hello to

9:57

some new walk. Oh, that's great idea. So first, I

9:59

made a dreamy dreamy dreamy my pants. Thank you so

10:01

much. You're now a policy walk. a policy

10:03

walk. Thank you very much. Hang out. Next,

10:05

listening to knowledge fight has accidentally trained my

10:07

dog's peanut pumpkin and pickle to

10:09

growl and bark whenever Alex starts

10:11

yelling you so much. You now a policywalk. I'm a

10:13

policywalk. Thank you very much. That is

10:15

actually why we started the podcast. It'll help

10:17

for future break ins if Alex

10:19

breaks into your place. When the safe

10:21

when the judgments come down and Alex Resorts

10:23

to crime. Yes. Absolutely.

10:25

Next, he puts his hands in his

10:27

pockets where sunglasses and is cool. Thank you

10:29

so much. or an aisle policy walk. I'm a

10:31

policy walk. Thank you very much. That

10:33

famously, of course, is my description of

10:35

Orange Cassidy's character, pro

10:37

wrestler launch Cassidy. Gotcha. That was the extent

10:39

to which I understood him when I went

10:41

on Marty and Sarah Lovett. Gotcha. I was wondering

10:44

whether that was gonna Yeah. Mhmm.

10:46

And we got some technical rights in the too,

10:48

Jordan. So first, partner

10:51

patches, CPA. Thank you so much. You're now

10:53

technocrat. Partner patches.

10:55

depends then known, your son. Alright.

10:57

The poor old family. Oh, boy. Oh,

10:59

boy. Next, missus Jones, this is

11:01

tennis partner. Thank you so much. We're now a

11:03

technocrat, and Russel from Kansas.

11:05

Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm

11:07

a policy geek. Poor start.

11:10

Don't get mad and tell her you're brilliant.

11:12

Someone someone sodomy sent me a bucket

11:14

of poop. Daddy's shot. I'm I'm I'm I'm

11:17

George R. Binks has a

11:19

Caribbean black action.

11:21

He's a loser, little, little

11:23

teeny baby. I don't wanna hate

11:25

black people. I renounce Jesus

11:27

Christ. Thank you so much. Thank you very

11:29

much. So, Jordan, the

11:31

in the beginning of this deposition

11:34

is, of course, some of the formalities

11:36

and such and their bits

11:38

cut out, and that's, like, his his

11:40

address and -- Right. -- you know, I think these

11:42

kinds of things discussing how he

11:44

sold his house Right. And

11:46

what have you? And so we're

11:48

not gonna deal with any of that

11:51

just because there isn't anything really to

11:53

discuss. No. he has a house.

11:55

Yeah. The first clip we're

11:57

gonna have here is I I

11:59

found this to be a little bit of a non

12:01

sequencer, but it also sets a bit of

12:03

a tone. And that is that,

12:05

like, almost every question is

12:07

probably gonna be a trap,

12:09

Alex. Right. Right. Right. know that ahead of

12:11

time. Gotcha. Gotcha. Did you have a photographic

12:13

memory? No. I used to have a good

12:15

memory, not anymore. Have you ever told anybody that

12:17

you have a photographic memory? In the

12:20

past, I did have

12:22

a very, very good memory. If I try to

12:24

commit something to it, I could remember it really well,

12:26

but has been like that for about

12:28

ten

12:28

years or so. My question though is whether you've

12:31

ever told anybody that you have photographic

12:33

memory. I

12:33

think I've mean, I verbally described myself

12:36

as having midpoint a little bit. It was a

12:38

hundred percent. k. You did that

12:40

when you appeared on the Joe Rogen

12:42

Experience podcast. You told

12:43

him and his millions of audience members that

12:45

you have a photographic memory. Correct? I

12:47

don't remember that particularly. Okay. So you

12:50

don't have a photographic memory of that. I don't.

12:52

Damn. Alright. Okay.

12:54

That's why. That's alright. I'm I'm

12:56

already kind of I get where he's

12:58

coming from Hayden, Chris Betty. Alright?

13:00

I'm a shit talker too. If if that

13:03

lawyer came to me with every time I talk

13:05

shit, I'd be like, alright. Well,

13:07

come on, man. Sure. minute one.

13:10

First of all, there's the dunk of you don't have a

13:12

photographic memory of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

13:14

Yeah. on road. Solid. Very

13:16

solid. that's gotta not feel great. Yeah. And

13:18

then secondarily, what you

13:20

have is a attempt

13:22

to be like you have a really good memory.

13:24

You said this thing -- Right.

13:26

-- because it it helps deflect from

13:28

the copious amount of

13:30

times Alex is gonna say, I don't

13:32

remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And

13:34

it sets the stage well.

13:37

It's good. We're gonna hear that a lot. What number

13:39

of deposition is this total

13:42

about all day? No.

13:44

No. All right. Well, that's that's

13:46

true. I'm like, where where within

13:48

the the zone of depositions.

13:50

Are we? isn't his first deposition.

13:52

No. This isn't his last deposition. Well, I

13:54

think it's his first deposition in, like,

13:56

Connecticut. Okay. Alright. Gotcha.

13:58

Because he was saying that he and

14:00

Mary haven't met before. Right. Right. Right.

14:02

So I think it's the first in

14:04

terms of that. But he's it's definitely

14:06

after the Texas one.

14:08

Sure. Sure. Sure. I mean, it's after the one

14:10

that I was at -- Right. -- Texas. So,

14:12

like, he's been deposed at least a

14:14

a couple times in the Texas one. Alright. So he should

14:17

be fairly good at this by now. You'd

14:19

say that state. If he was someone who liked

14:21

to learn, if Frank's committed to lifelong

14:23

learning, Right. Or would do much better.

14:25

Oh. So it turns out that Alex did

14:27

not come alone to

14:29

Connecticut. There are people in tow

14:31

but he doesn't know who they are. I

14:34

understand that you arrived at our building's day with

14:36

somebody who is operating a digital camera device.

14:38

Is that right? the

14:41

You mean a phone? Well,

14:45

where did

14:46

you arrive at our building with somebody who's building

14:48

you? I

14:49

believe yes. I was over

14:51

the phone. Yes. Who's that? That's

14:55

just one of the crew members What's

14:57

his name?

14:58

He's

15:01

a new guy. I forget his name. It's

15:03

Rees Thompson. I don't know why I'm calling from

15:05

Fotadou. He traveled with you

15:07

from Texas. Yes. For the

15:09

purpose of filming you? Just

15:11

documenting in in in case

15:13

anything happened. Yeah. Okay. And

15:15

do you intend to publish the

15:17

footage that he shoots on one of your

15:19

broadcast after this deposition? I don't

15:21

know. k. Probably

15:23

not. But you wanna be prepared to do

15:25

that? Yes. Okay.

15:28

And part of the reason you wanna be prepared to do that is

15:30

because you've been raising money from

15:31

your audience and you

15:35

advise them that you need their funds to help

15:37

finance

15:37

your litigation. Correct? Yes.

15:41

So you gotta think that's not a

15:43

compliment that this

15:45

person that I've flown up to Connecticut

15:47

with. I don't know their names. Yeah.

15:49

We I barely know. They are it's a tamp who

15:51

knows. Fuck that guy. It's not like he they flew

15:53

in completely different parts of the

15:55

plane. Right? They it's not yeah. I don't

15:57

think this is true. Yeah. I'm

15:59

gonna guess that Alex is being just

16:01

evasive for the sake of it. Right.

16:03

Like, it's not like it's some kind of

16:05

a, like, like, AAA

16:08

damning secret who this person is. I I

16:10

suppose. I don't think it is. Like,

16:12

could it be? Like, like, his cameraman is

16:14

David Duke or something. boy. But

16:16

it it's it's it's

16:18

a weird thing to be evasive about.

16:20

Yeah. Who is this person? Who you have as your

16:22

camera person? So Ethan

16:26

Hunt and they wear in a

16:28

mask. Mhmm. He's on a super

16:30

secret mission. Okay. He's

16:32

gotta stop something else

16:34

going completely unrelated. But because

16:36

Alex is his contact through the

16:38

knowing the hating the globalists, right,

16:40

he's posed using, as Alex, a completely unrelated thing.

16:42

Like, it's just a coincidence. I

16:45

I think that maybe it's a

16:47

a sign that anybody

16:49

who has a seniority at Infowars

16:51

can't take any time off because they need

16:53

them back at the the mothership as

16:55

Alex says. That's fair. or

16:57

I I don't know. It's just weird. Or it just

16:59

doesn't remember Buckley's name anymore. No.

17:02

Buckley's I could do something like this anymore, I don't

17:04

think. So this I

17:06

believe is a very important early

17:08

exchange -- Okay. -- kinda goes on.

17:10

You

17:10

do tax people. Don't you? Yes. Okay. I

17:12

mean, you know that we have. certain text

17:14

messages that you've said. Correct?

17:16

Yeah.

17:16

I mean, we turned them all over to you guys, and you

17:18

said we didn't need to default to this. because you

17:21

don't want us to be able to put on average in front of

17:23

Missouri. Mister Jones, when do you think was the

17:25

first text message you produced

17:27

to us?

17:29

And, Chris, you his

17:32

side of the aisle and the v, I mean, to counsel

17:34

Well, you said we. So who did you mean

17:36

by we, mister Jones? Well,

17:38

I I mean, I know just

17:40

things for my question. Who did you mean by we?

17:42

I'm confused when you go back. Yeah. You

17:44

said we gave you

17:45

everything. Who's we? I

17:49

instructed, you know, in in these

17:51

cases to just turn over whatever it is. People

17:53

said, turn over. You know, it's been a

17:55

fiasco. Hundreds of thousands of

17:57

emails dot commence all sorts of crap. People searching

17:59

my phone all the time. I mean, it's just there's

18:01

and it's it's and then it's the contingents I

18:04

remember was, like, stuff from years ago,

18:06

because text messages don't update. People wanting

18:08

stuff that doesn't exist when I'm not a big tech

18:10

guy. And so I don't

18:13

I

18:14

I don't understand how all that stuff works.

18:16

And I don't know why some people text

18:18

messages stay different

18:21

different services. They're different. used

18:23

to they would disappear a couple

18:25

weeks now. They go back usually

18:27

a while. So you're asking me

18:30

and and it's really a technology issue. It's the same thing's

18:32

happening there. For sure. For sure. For sure. For

18:34

just one person who have the text messages on their phone,

18:36

but you don't have them. And I don't I don't

18:39

anybody that has cell phones knows that they're

18:41

different ones and different things and there's different

18:43

things going on. And I don't understand it

18:46

all. But but but in the as in the case of the emails,

18:48

we should have just for cost of money

18:50

been getting rid of them, but we had them going back

18:52

fifteen years. Millions tens of millions

18:54

obviously, you guys are able to get those. So

18:56

if anything, we have really

18:58

no policy at all on data retention.

19:01

It's just retained unless,

19:04

you know, things like text messages sometimes don't

19:06

get saved. No. No. No. No. No. No response.

19:08

No response to mister

19:11

Jones. If you have any

19:13

knowledge of whether any text message of yours has ever been

19:15

produced by you or free speech systems

19:17

to us. Do you have any knowledge of

19:19

that?

19:19

I believe they have. You believe that

19:22

they have. with do

19:24

you have any knowledge

19:25

of that? I

19:27

I don't have any I'm not I'm not I'm not any documents

19:29

in front of me. Right. I didn't ask you if

19:31

there are any documents in front of you. I I don't have

19:33

any knowledge. Okay. You don't have any knowledge of that.

19:35

So I think

19:35

this is really critical because a

19:38

key here is kind

19:40

of putting aside Alex's bullshit

19:42

talking points, namely that he complied

19:44

fully with discovery and that he was

19:46

defaulted unfairly. By just keeping

19:48

on target, Maddie is able to get

19:50

Alex to concede that he has absolutely no

19:52

idea what text messages were actually

19:54

turned over to the plaintiff's lawyers. ALEX'

19:56

pronouncements about how much he cooperated are

19:58

matters of certainty when he's rambling on

20:00

his show or when he's grandstanding at a

20:03

disgraceful press conference outside the

20:05

courtroom. But when he's actually answer yes or no if

20:07

he has any idea what he actually

20:09

did for discovery, he doesn't know

20:11

anything. This is Alex answer

20:13

because it's less of a problem than him saying that

20:15

he intentionally withheld things, which seems

20:17

like a far more likely situation to me

20:20

at this point. So,

20:22

yeah, it's it's good because, you know,

20:24

you have that dodge of we turned

20:26

over everything. Sure. What do you know about

20:28

what you turned up? I believe, I said

20:31

this. Right. Like, you don't know anything. Right.

20:33

You're just making broad pronouncements about

20:35

shit. If you if you did

20:37

not intentionally withhold

20:39

things, then your explanation for why they

20:41

don't have text messages is not

20:43

the power of magic

20:46

can compel phones to do any number

20:48

of different things. And I think a responsible

20:51

party would be able to say, I looked

20:53

over my stuff and on

20:55

x y or z date I informed my

20:57

lawyers of this. I

20:59

turned it over to them on this day

21:01

because then you could start the ball rolling

21:03

and be like, Alright. Then where did the

21:05

breakdown happen? Did your lawyers not

21:07

turn over stuff to us that you turned

21:09

over to them? Right. There's too many

21:11

open questions in the I

21:13

believe all this stuff happen. And I think

21:15

that's kind of intentional. I think I think

21:17

quite simply one of the easiest

21:19

ways to

21:21

leave anything somebody says about their text messages is

21:23

if there's a text message saying, I texted

21:25

you all of my text messages of

21:27

some sort, or I have giving

21:29

you all of this information. That would be sent via

21:32

task. Some people's phones don't keep that

21:34

stuff. The stuff where they text you

21:36

about the text, Yeah. Yeah. T Mobile

21:38

has a policy of erase of the text.

21:40

That's a good policy. I like that. So

21:42

now we get to what is

21:44

maybe the the classic beginning

21:46

of a deposition question, which is what

21:48

did you do to prepare for this? Oh, god.

21:50

What did you do

21:51

to prepare for your deposition today?

21:55

I

21:58

mean,

22:02

really not much.

22:04

I don't eat drink and

22:06

sleep. Sandy would like you guys to man.

22:09

Do you

22:09

know what I eat, sleep, and drink,

22:12

or You don't --

22:13

Are you a negative? -- unqualified

22:15

form. You don't care about marijuana, marijuana,

22:17

killing half million kids. You said you wanna just villainize me

22:19

because I'm a conservative. And I know what it's

22:21

it's all political. and I and detainee Hook got about two years ago,

22:23

and I literally, you know,

22:26

remember some of the big contingent of people questioning

22:28

and covering it. And then you're saying, how

22:30

do I prepare? Have idea

22:32

what you're gonna ask me in here. Well, you have an idea because you've

22:34

been disposed three times in Texas. Don't you?

22:37

Mhmm. I mean,

22:37

that's totally if you can describe

22:40

Banksen as the Boazig's buddy, I

22:42

guess. Whatever. I

22:44

mean, it's just bizarre that all of this,

22:46

whatever. Right, mister Jones? I mean,

22:48

projection before whatever. It's

22:49

like there's a plus.

22:50

The section to form is characterized as

22:52

a testimony. Tough.

22:57

Alright. We're off to a good start. I do

22:59

wonder what Alex's like, it's pointless

23:01

argumentativeness that he's engaging

23:03

in. But I wonder if there's an

23:05

expectation or a hope that he'll say

23:07

this. And then the lawyer will be like, you

23:09

know what? Fucking right. Let's go

23:11

get mad at all. Right? She just

23:13

died not too long ago, but let's fucking sue

23:16

her first and then take care of

23:18

you. Yeah. What is oh,

23:20

we're like, is it is it is he

23:22

hoping someone would be like, you know what? You're right.

23:24

Madeleine Albright is a bigger problem. Right.

23:26

Therefore, this litigation is

23:28

over. Right. But, like, what's the

23:31

best case scenario for bringing up Madeleine

23:33

Albright in this conversation. Is

23:35

it is it more like he's like,

23:37

hey, you know what? we're

23:39

not talking about Madeleine Albright right now.

23:41

We're talking about you, and then it can be like, I see

23:43

the development. We're not talking about Madeleine Albright right now.

23:45

It's not about Madeleine Albright with you.

23:47

Is it? You know? think what

23:49

it is is that Alex's mind

23:53

works so much just on the

23:55

basis of deflection. Yeah. Everything

23:57

just comes down to, like,

23:59

every question is answered with a this

24:01

thing is this other thing and, you

24:03

know, I didn't I I don't think he can

24:05

stop himself. I think just ingrained

24:08

behavior and how he gets out

24:10

of hard questions in his day to

24:12

day life. Yeah. And it

24:14

kinda works when there's no follow-up questions and

24:16

when you're monologuing. Yeah.

24:19

Because it doesn't really

24:21

work in a deposition. No. I

24:23

mean, I you know, it does

24:25

it reminds me of, like, you

24:27

know, not to bring up the it's not about

24:29

the divorce, but in the divorce trial where

24:32

The lawyer is arguing, like, on the show, he's

24:34

one thing -- Mhmm. -- and then off the

24:36

show, he's another. But the more we hear

24:38

him in depositions where he

24:40

has to not be on the show or in court

24:42

when he has to not be on

24:44

the show. He's on the

24:47

show, man. Yeah. I don't know if ever not

24:49

on. Well, I I think that there's another thing

24:51

going on here, and that is that by

24:53

this point, Alex has

24:55

had these Texas depository

24:57

the videos of them have been

24:59

released on on YouTube.

25:01

Right. And so there's a part of it that

25:03

he may think, like, I'm kinda performing

25:06

here. Well, it's fair. I and

25:09

I don't know I don't know how the extent to

25:11

which that would change his

25:13

behavior. That's true. It's possible that dynamics

25:15

there. Yeah. We really will have

25:17

to, like, straight up

25:19

Truman Show him in order to observe in his

25:21

natural habits. We have to get rid of all

25:23

the confounding variables. One hundred

25:25

percent. We have to put him in an ant

25:27

farm of some sort. Yeah. Lord and his

25:29

studying his behavior. Yep. So

25:31

like I said, this was the

25:33

makeup deposition for the one that Alex

25:35

canceled on. Right. And this comes up a

25:37

little.

25:37

And you feel

25:40

well today? feel pretty good. Your head is

25:42

clear. I mean,

25:44

I had sinus infection and stuff, but

25:46

I'm I'm almost over I heard about that. Mhmm.

25:48

Is that sinus blockies cleared up. Well,

25:50

it was it was very

25:51

real. I went to the other three depositions. Believe me, I

25:53

knew I was gonna have to come up here about sick last

25:55

week, but I autoc

25:57

could have been something else had much test done and then figured out it

25:59

was a really bad sinus infection. But I think

26:01

the day after you found out it was

26:03

a sinus blockage

26:04

you said to your audience you

26:06

feel like a new person. Right? Yeah. because

26:08

I got on steroids and and

26:10

and, yeah, I was at the blockage. If you

26:12

watched the show, you know that's what I talked about. So

26:14

you feel good today. I

26:15

mean, I still I got really bad

26:18

allergies and and it's and I bet I

26:20

won't clear it in. I'd I'd

26:22

even feel What? pretty good. Be sure a little bit jittery,

26:24

but yeah. I'm alright.

26:26

Yeah. I it's

26:28

very strange because he's trying to

26:30

pretend that he's still covering

26:32

from this whatever. I guess. And

26:34

then Maddie presents him with the you said you

26:36

were a new person the next day. We're fully

26:38

over it. Sure. Well, you know, I got

26:41

allergies. Shifting it a little bit. It's a

26:43

it's a very bizarre need

26:45

to justify

26:47

his pretending that he wasn't over whatever

26:49

he bailed -- Yeah. -- prior

26:51

for Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I

26:53

would want to I mean, at

26:55

that point, I would be like, Alex, how can I

26:58

ask you a question that you'll answer? Like,

27:00

maybe you should you

27:02

write up a question that you can answer, and I'll kinda see

27:04

what the vibe on it. We're gonna go through

27:06

hours of content here and then the question

27:08

is not answered. They how can I ask

27:10

you a question should you like to. also an element

27:12

to this that I think that I don't

27:15

understand why Alex doesn't just say,

27:17

like, if I can ask you questions. you

27:19

know, like, there's he stands to

27:22

lose very little by just being

27:24

all business. Yeah. He's

27:26

already in the soup up to

27:28

his thorax. Yeah. And, you know,

27:30

he's not going to bail himself

27:32

out. There's not going to be like some

27:34

escape hatch he's gonna find

27:36

Right. By saying just the right evasive

27:38

thing. Right. Right. Right. Right. It would just be

27:40

serve everyone's purposes better if you're

27:42

just like, alright. Let's do this.

27:46

Right. And or even

27:48

if you have to be kind of a blunt

27:50

dick in order to

27:52

do that, it's your images

27:54

is already shot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just

27:56

be an asshole. We're we're

27:58

we're all kind of watching Alex

28:01

in the bottom of an hourglass as it fills with

28:03

sand, and he's like struggling to get out.

28:05

And he thinks he's gonna get out. And as we all

28:07

watch, we're like, that's the sand's just gonna

28:09

cover your man, you're gone. You're

28:11

done for her. No. You might as well

28:13

relax and join Infinity,

28:15

like Toy Story three. So

28:18

The question comes up of whether

28:20

or not Alex will appear in court.

28:22

Mhmm. And I got to say I kind of agree with

28:24

him on on this one. and

28:26

that he says, I fly. I don't have to. I don't

28:28

I don't wanna be there. That's a really good point.

28:31

And then, you know, it just

28:33

rambles

28:33

the testimony that you give in

28:35

this case could be presented to a jury. Do you understand that?

28:38

Yes. And that jury is gonna be sitting in

28:40

Waterbury, Connecticut. Do you understand that? Yes.

28:42

Alright. And the

28:45

trial in this matter is currently scheduled

28:47

for September. Do you know that? Yes.

28:49

Do you plan to appear for that trial?

28:51

I mean, I would need to be. I will.

28:53

Okay. Well, you're defending in the

28:55

case. Right? Well, I

28:56

mean, I believe it's rigged. And

28:59

so, I mean, you guys are gonna rig

29:01

your deal. It's like your I think the jury's right

29:03

objection, he's not finished with the

29:05

objection. I mean, since

29:07

when does somebody guilty and

29:09

then a jury decides how guilty, And

29:12

and then and then even in Texas, they're pushing

29:14

where we can't even, like, defend

29:16

ourselves. So, I mean, if you guys think that's

29:18

America, you guys have got

29:20

all these big ideas and stuff. And,

29:22

you know, it's just it's just

29:24

to me, I've had family with

29:26

cancer and people die really bad stuff in my life. So

29:28

this is nothing. This is

29:30

just a bunch of politicians and

29:32

lawyers that want to make money and

29:34

become famous off of dead

29:36

kids while claiming I'm the one that got famous off of Sandy

29:38

Hook. When it's completely opposite, all Sandy

29:40

Hooks done has hurt me from the first times

29:42

I questioned it. It was a strike.

29:45

months. And Jones, do you plan to appear to

29:47

testify in front of the jury in September?

29:50

If if I need

29:52

to be there, I will be there. Yes.

29:55

you'd prefer not to be there. Jackson?

29:58

Of course, I would

30:00

prefer not to be there. Alright. That that's

30:03

a that's a great honest answer. That's that's

30:05

the most honest answer. I mean, even

30:07

yeah. It doesn't matter it doesn't matter if you

30:10

fully accepted responsibility for what's happened or no? Like,

30:12

there's no way you would want to be there.

30:14

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm a monster. I'm

30:16

a bad person now. actually.

30:20

Yes. Alex's presentation should

30:22

be, yes, I do want to be. I wanna

30:24

prove my innocence. Exactly. I want time

30:26

for me to vice of these, the how I'm

30:28

being wrong. Oh, public. Absolutely. You

30:31

know, but on a on a very human level, of

30:33

course, I don't wanna fuck up here. I mean, even

30:35

then, even if you're fighting your good name, you know,

30:37

like, on a human level, I don't wanna be

30:39

in a situation where I have to fight for my good

30:41

name. You know? Like, I would prefer I would like

30:43

to be on beach somewhere. That's a that's a

30:45

reasonable response. All things being

30:47

equal, I don't wanna be there right now that the

30:49

situation is what it is. Right. Like, should

30:51

want to Absolutely. Absolutely.

30:53

Stand up and prove that

30:55

he can look this firing

30:58

squad in the face. Now that I have

31:00

no choice exact. But to be

31:02

there. Yeah. Then, yes, I want to be

31:04

there. But, of course, the case is a set

31:06

up. Naturally. Except it's not. Right.

31:08

And so Maddy decides

31:10

to explain to Alex a

31:12

little bit of why the default

31:14

happened. And this turns

31:17

ugly. Yeah. I don't know if that was

31:19

a wise choice. Well, it's good to

31:21

get it out there. Fair. And make sure that

31:23

Alex understands these things. Can

31:25

you? No. But there are a

31:27

couple points in this deposition where

31:29

I got, like, really deeply uncomfortable.

31:31

And this was one of them. I was like, alrighty,

31:33

we are off the rails. Mister

31:35

Jones, you understand

31:37

that you were defaulted by

31:39

the court here for among

31:41

other things presenting fabricated

31:44

financial information from your company. Do you understand that?

31:46

That's not true though. Okay. Do you understand that's

31:48

with the quote found? Yes.

31:50

Okay.

31:50

Do you understand that you were

31:52

defaulted for

31:55

refusing to present to produce to the

31:57

plaintiff's analytics information about

32:00

your website performance. Do you understand that? Yeah.

32:02

That's not true. Do you understand that that's why one

32:04

of the reasons you were defaulted? I

32:06

understand that that that that that

32:08

the judge made what I believe be a

32:10

fraudulent ruling. Okay. And

32:12

and that's Judge Bellis. Right? Yeah. Judge

32:14

Bellis is best friend. So one of your main

32:16

partners here of that one. Yep. Oh, how can you find

32:18

that out? Oh, we're which know

32:20

a lot. Oh, you do. Who? Which partner? Well, just

32:22

no. No. Go ahead, mister Jones. Which partner is

32:24

judge Jones? When it hits the nose, which

32:28

part of mine is judge Barbara

32:30

Bellis best friends with. Oh, I

32:32

forget. Oh, okay. Mister

32:34

Jones, do you Can

32:36

you can we Can you put the call for one more minute? No. We

32:38

may not we're going to go to a check to

32:40

the the denied

32:42

commentary on

32:42

mister Jones remarks. They may not

32:45

I'm

32:45

not talking to people fight with you. Okay. Well, I asked mister

32:47

Jones whether he could support his claim just

32:49

now that he made, and he's on a casketing dispersion

32:51

on the presiding judge and

32:54

he said that he could not remember

32:56

all of the sudden. And then I said, oh,

32:58

yeah. And I said, those are unnecessary. Alright.

33:00

Well, we're gonna go ahead and continue mister

33:02

Jones. Okay. So you're you don't

33:04

remember. Right? Even though you just made an

33:07

assertion of bias against the

33:09

presiding claiming that she's best friends with a partner in my

33:11

office. Well, it's it's my

33:13

journalistic privilege -- What? --

33:15

from sources to to not

33:17

reveal that. Okay. I I didn't I didn't your

33:19

source was. I asked who the partner was.

33:21

Well, we're not gonna we're not gonna remember

33:24

that. We're

33:25

not ready to release that information at this time. Okay? You're a journalist?

33:29

I do wear a journalist to cats also. I'm a

33:31

pundit. Oh, boy. Oh

33:33

my god. Oh, boy.

33:35

Yeah. See, that's that's kind of

33:38

fun because I don't think Alex was

33:40

expecting that response at all.

33:42

Nope. He's used to throwing out these accusations. Of course. And

33:44

not like, oh, what do you mean by that?

33:47

Yeah. Shit. Oh, I don't wanna name a

33:49

name because then I'm gonna end up in a

33:52

it's situation where I'm basically accusing

33:54

the judge and one

33:56

of these lawyers of being in a a

33:58

collusion of something. Yeah. Yeah. And that

34:00

might be a problem. wondering if

34:03

Alex believes, like, does he

34:05

inherently, like, almost instinctively

34:07

just hit the mute button whenever

34:09

whenever he's taught and he says something,

34:11

does he accidentally press his finger on the table just to be like, well, clearly,

34:14

they can't speak. What?

34:16

I I would imagine.

34:18

I mean, it's it's

34:20

it's outrageous this this

34:23

response. Yeah. It it

34:26

What? Yeah. and Norm's real real

34:28

weird there with the the way you said,

34:30

oh, too It's so

34:32

good. Too what

34:34

degree is norm a

34:36

lawyer? I feel like

34:38

this is insane that we

34:40

are all pretending norm has any

34:42

understanding of what's going on at any

34:44

point. I think he does. And I think that there

34:46

probably is actually

34:48

an objection to be made there.

34:50

You know, I think under normal

34:53

circumstances, maybe denied comments are actually

34:55

a tone problem. sure

34:58

for lawyers in this setting. Unfortunately, you're deposing

35:00

Alex fucking judge. I mean, I would

35:03

He's being a real

35:06

asshole. There's

35:07

the problem I have is just

35:09

if

35:09

I'm a good lawyer, the only thing I

35:11

keep thinking is I need to make sure Alex

35:13

says as little as possible. Oh, we'll get to that

35:15

later. And I need to interrupt him.

35:18

An objection, your honor. My defendant is a

35:20

piece of shit. Like, I would throw that out

35:22

there. Like, fucking watermelons

35:24

on his face, anything to keep him

35:26

from talking Well, Norm does basically tell Alex

35:28

to shut up. Okay. Well, that's smart. So but

35:30

it takes a while to get there. Well And

35:33

it might only be because Alex is about

35:35

to say something that implicates him. Alright. Well, c

35:37

minus c minus then. Yeah. Like, the norman may

35:39

be in self protection mode more than

35:41

alpha's protection mode. Fair

35:44

enough. But Yeah. That was

35:46

chaotic. I felt uncomfortable --

35:48

Yeah. -- during that. But I'd like the

35:50

way that Maddie approached that of

35:52

the oh, you're

35:54

a journalist. Mhmm. There's a nice way of like we're not landing this plane

35:56

yet. You think that you've you've

35:58

found this great place where you can

36:00

stake your

36:02

your claim It's gonna be safe for you to say, like, I'm not gonna give up my

36:04

source. Yeah. Oh, whoops. It's not a

36:06

source. Yeah. Oh, I am a journal. Oh, you're a

36:08

journalist. Yep.

36:10

what about how your corporate representatives have consistently testified that

36:12

you are not a journalist in order

36:15

to avoid the responsibilities that come with

36:17

it? I wear that hat.

36:20

Yep. Yep. Sometimes I'm abundant. Right. Oh, boy.

36:22

So we know that Alex got a

36:24

loan from his dad to start

36:27

his business. Sure. What we

36:29

didn't know is some other things that his dad

36:31

did to help him start his

36:33

business. As it

36:36

turns out, in the early

36:38

days of Alex's career, he had his businesses

36:40

info wars dot com or

36:42

LLC -- Sure.

36:46

and prison planet LLC -- Right. -- under a holding company

36:49

called Magnolia Partners. Mhmm.

36:51

And here is a little bit of a discussion

36:53

of what that was.

36:56

Okay. are the founder and owner of Infowards Health LLC.

37:00

Correct? Yes. Infowards

37:02

LLC?

37:02

Yes.

37:05

prison planet TV LLC.

37:07

Mhmm. Alright.

37:10

Now those companies

37:13

were previously held by

37:15

Magnolia Limited Partnership. Correct?

37:20

all of them, Chris,

37:22

including FSS? No. I'm sorry. Just in

37:24

Forbes Health LLC, in Forbes LLC, in

37:26

prison point of TB LLC?

37:28

I am not

37:29

really expert on these and I get

37:31

these confused. That's why we had the

37:34

the corporate rep come study at

37:36

all. And so they would get it exact right. And

37:38

so that I would stand on what our testimony

37:40

was. So I'm asking you what your understanding

37:42

is as the owner of these companies, whether

37:44

they were ever held by Magnolia

37:48

Limited Partnership. Magnolia Limited

37:50

Partnership

37:52

was a dental company

37:54

management bank

37:56

account, used to pay employees about my dad. And when I was

37:58

about twenty one or

37:59

so, I had, like, ten thousand dollars in it.

38:02

He said, hey, this is good

38:04

business credit. and you can

38:06

get he's always starting to

38:08

sell things online and he's or

38:10

sell things and he said,

38:12

you can have this bank account, this company and

38:14

that's what that Magnolia limited

38:17

partnership was. Right?

38:20

and then you use that as a holding company

38:22

for the three companies

38:23

I just mentioned.

38:26

Correct? I I

38:27

really can't tell say because I

38:29

don't know. I mean, I know. I mean, it's on

38:31

record. I mean, that's So when

38:34

you think about getting a loan.

38:36

Yeah. That's one thing. Right. And that's very helpful.

38:38

Getting a corporate bank

38:40

account that has good credit

38:44

and money -- Yeah. -- and such is an entirely

38:46

different thing. Like -- Yeah. --

38:48

the opportunities that are open to Alex

38:50

because of his dad bequeezing

38:53

him this corporate bank account -- Yeah.

38:55

-- is very that is

38:57

a huge privilege that he had.

38:59

A huge step

39:02

up. as opposed to someone else trying to do the sort of

39:04

thing that he was doing. A

39:06

small business loan without collateral is

39:10

either a loan shark or you're going away

39:12

with no money. You know? And --

39:14

Yeah. -- the the ability to

39:18

possibly get

39:20

items on credit -- Yeah. -- that you would then resell the

39:23

ability for him to make his films that

39:25

he would then resell. A

39:27

lower interest rate beyond

39:30

what can be considered is yeah. The

39:32

impact of these things are huge.

39:34

Yeah. And Alex refusing to

39:36

recognize the ways in which

39:38

he had shortcuts -- Sure. -- in his early

39:40

career, and how those allowed him to

39:42

create what he was able to create. Absolutely. I

39:44

think is a little

39:46

bit shitty. And the the awareness of the

39:48

deepening of that that comes

39:50

from this is is I mean, it just

39:52

makes his his life

39:54

and his solutions about

39:56

himself all the satters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I

39:58

mean, I can't the thing about it is,

39:59

like, I I still

40:02

can't believe the things

40:02

that so many people have done for me to get, you know, like, for me to go

40:05

to college and there was a serious number of people

40:07

who had to step up and do a lot of things

40:09

to help me out, you know. And

40:12

even though, I absolutely wasted their work,

40:14

destroyed their ambitions for

40:16

me and sent them, you know,

40:18

crying into the bathroom. I will

40:21

never not recognize what they've done for

40:24

me and how that's got shit here. You

40:26

know? Like, the idea of me, you

40:28

know, I would never be

40:30

like, oh, I came from nothing, and I'm a self made man, but

40:32

it's yeah. That's absurd. I meant,

40:34

like, this podcast, I guess,

40:36

we built entirely -- Sure. -- we

40:38

could say -- Yeah. but it would be

40:40

ridiculous to imagine that, like,

40:42

that on your side and things

40:44

that things that I'm

40:46

lucky enough that my parents have been able to

40:48

help with. Totally over the course of my

40:50

life -- Absolutely. -- facilitate and

40:52

allow us to ever be in the position one

40:54

hundred percent where we were even

40:56

struggling to

40:58

-- Right. build this at the beginning. Yeah. And yeah.

41:00

Not taking that into account, I think,

41:02

is really a way to

41:05

Self mythologize in a way that

41:07

I think is unhealthy. Yeah. There is it

41:09

also goes both ways. You know? You're there is a

41:11

certain part of that that's also kind of

41:14

very helpful you know, when you were selling your blood, you can also say, if it

41:16

weren't for my parents, I wouldn't be here. Now I

41:18

wouldn't be selling my blood.

41:20

Exactly. So it works both ways.

41:22

Yeah. Yes. So

41:24

the issue of Google Analytics comes up.

41:26

Uh-huh. And Alex has some interesting answers

41:28

to whether or not he uses Google

41:30

Analytics. And that is that in

41:33

under a minute he seems to both use them and

41:35

not. I haven't. Yeah. Are you familiar

41:37

with Google Analytics?

41:39

I'm familiar with it.

41:41

Yes. Google Analytics is

41:42

a program that allows you

41:45

to track

41:46

traffic and other

41:48

activity on your

41:50

websites. Correct?

41:51

Yes. And

41:54

that's that

41:56

data is something that you've

41:59

altered throughout your career to learn about

42:02

your website's performance. Correct?

42:05

No. You've never

42:08

looked at Google

42:08

Analytics data during the course of

42:10

your career. Oh, I have. For

42:14

what purposes? to generally see how how

42:16

popular the the side is. Okay.

42:18

Isn't that exactly what you just said

42:20

no to? Well, I

42:22

didn't look to see how

42:24

well the site was

42:26

doing. I looked to see how

42:28

popular the site was amongst

42:30

people. It's very No.

42:33

Please different things. Thanks. Alright. So if

42:35

I'm looking also at the site so the

42:37

site is doing well, I'd be like, oh,

42:39

is there a hundred thousand

42:41

people? That's a different thing. If you

42:43

wanna check if the site's doing well, you gotta

42:45

check its blood pressure. Exactly. I'm

42:47

checking to see how many people are

42:49

smart Mailing. Yeah. Very, very bizarre.

42:52

Yeah. So Alex, I

42:54

think realizes that he's in shaky

42:56

territory here.

42:58

And so as more questions are there about

43:00

these statistics -- Right. -- watching them.

43:02

He would launches into his

43:04

standard patented rant -- Love it. -- about

43:06

how you need

43:08

to bring me the Google. Sure. It makes no sense. Bring me

43:10

Google. Bring it to him. I mean, it was obviously

43:12

important to you to know what your

43:14

website's performance was.

43:16

Right? Objection. I'm

43:18

not a traditional corporate media outlet

43:20

that free packages what they're gonna do

43:22

and what they're gonna say and then and then and then

43:24

and then and then tailers it

43:27

to

43:27

whatever the corporate bosses say, I've got fly by the

43:29

seat of my pants when it comes to

43:31

the finances and analyzing stuff.

43:34

And I've tried to explain this to you

43:36

guys. Google

43:36

Analytics is an interface into Google.

43:38

So when you say it's just

43:40

the back end, regular Google searches

43:43

the front end. Something like if you ask me what you guys did,

43:45

give us the Google Analytics. It's

43:48

like saying, give me the

43:50

Google and you go in there and it's

43:52

just like rocket

43:54

science. And the guys,

43:56

Chris Andrews and Tim Friget,

43:59

woodward went

44:00

to a few meetings with, like,

44:02

searchings of optimization people. So I remember because they

44:04

wanted to be more professional, and they

44:06

wanted to try to figure out ways

44:09

to, like, bring and outside advertising and things. And so they poked around

44:11

in there. And I would just like because it's just

44:14

like I mean,

44:16

it's literally rocket

44:18

science. And that's the

44:20

truth. I did look at Alexis. Just

44:22

to say, hey, wow. Look, you know, we're popular this

44:24

or that. or to see how

44:26

stories we got linked to. We're we're we're we're getting on

44:28

traffic. I mean, I did.

44:30

So it was very -- That really

44:32

simple to see. It was it was a kind of

44:34

a public site that was more

44:36

geared towards understanding things. Google analytics,

44:38

it's like saying, give me the phone

44:42

book.

44:42

forgive me the library of commerce. Like, well, well, give me the library of commerce. You're like, well, what do you

44:44

want the library of commerce? Yeah. And and and what

44:46

would the emails give us all these emails and we

44:48

have millions of emails in here they

44:51

are. And mister Jones, I I can I

44:53

can tell that your

44:56

it

44:57

focused

44:59

to

44:59

some extent on the

45:02

material that either has or hasn't been

45:04

turned over. All I'm asking you right now

45:06

is whether or not you made

45:09

efforts to understand how

45:11

your

45:12

how your website

45:13

was performing. Yes.

45:15

Okay. Okay. That's all we

45:17

needed. Wow. Instead of that whole

45:19

two minute ride. He he could have just

45:21

said yes. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

45:24

My partner has taught elementary school before, and

45:26

that that feeling of,

45:28

like, Alex, what do you

45:30

I understand that you're

45:34

you have some feelings about some things. Exactly. That is

45:36

not what we're talking about. It is so much that.

45:38

Just need a yes or no question, answer

45:42

to this because it's very simple. I know,

45:44

Larissa has caused problems in the

45:46

past, but right now we're talking

45:48

about you. I

45:50

love the idea to that, like, going

45:52

into Google Analytics is

45:55

like rocket science, advanced.

45:58

kind of ridiculous. Yeah. That is a question that I have is

46:01

that I feel like it's very clear from the

46:03

trial and from these depositions that we've

46:05

watched. That it has been

46:08

explained to Alex how bad it is for them

46:10

to know all the Google Analytics

46:12

data. Right? Well, it has to

46:16

have been. Yes. I believe so because it's

46:18

especially around the time of

46:21

and I mean, it's the

46:23

promised example. The Nobody

46:26

the FBI says no one was killed at

46:28

Sandy Hook article that Alex put out --

46:30

Right. -- the intense spike that

46:32

came from the publication of

46:34

that article the then

46:36

the interview with Wolfgang How

46:38

big the next day -- Right. --

46:40

like those trends that you

46:42

see in that Google

46:44

Analytics for Alex, to be aware of that and for his dad

46:46

to have testified that they tried to

46:48

replicate things that worked well. Of course.

46:50

These things

46:52

don't work to

46:54

Alex's best interest. Right. So,

46:56

yeah, I would assume that

46:58

somebody maybe made him

47:00

aware of the optic of that being

47:02

incredibly bad. Right. Right. Right.

47:04

That's the question that I have

47:06

is if that was explained

47:08

to him, then there has to

47:10

have been a I there has to have been

47:12

meetings or something. There had to have

47:14

been a group of them together.

47:16

May. Kind of talking. Right? And I would like to know

47:18

what else was explained as the line

47:20

-- I would imagine -- isn't Maybe

47:22

a lawyer, maybe a norm -- Yeah.

47:24

-- conversation. Sure. I don't know, though. I mean, like,

47:26

we are speculating. We have never know,

47:28

but that's what I've that's what I like to you

47:31

know, if I had my druthers of if

47:33

I could be on the wall in these, you know, that

47:35

thing The things like that,

47:38

the the evasive evasiveness

47:40

and the ambiguity that's so

47:42

clear a about the Google Analytics.

47:44

Right. And it it it strikes

47:46

me the same way as the, like, wishy

47:49

washes and refusal to say

47:51

anything specific about, Dan Badani. Right. Right. Right. I know that

47:53

these things should the facts

47:56

of them as they are be

47:58

established and you have to accept them

48:01

you know that looks terrible. Right.

48:04

You know looking at what

48:06

Dan Badani did --

48:08

Mhmm. -- knowing that you told him to

48:10

do that, and that you

48:12

probably paid him to do that.

48:14

Totally. You you know that any right

48:16

thinking person is going to look at that and be like,

48:18

you paid this man to harass the people in

48:20

Sandy Hook? Well, yeah. So I'm

48:22

gonna say I didn't. Right. You you know

48:24

you can't accept that conclusion, and so

48:26

everything has to be done to

48:28

sort of wiggle around it. Right.

48:30

And there there were several of those things that came that were

48:32

very clear as we go through, like because

48:35

they're the company line. You know, if

48:37

you see Daria, Britney,

48:40

and Owen and everybody say the same thing, then it's kind

48:42

of clear that it's been disseminated through

48:44

the group. This is our line,

48:48

you know. There were a bunch of things though where it's like,

48:50

this could have been the line

48:52

or they could have just had no

48:54

idea that this line of questioning was going to

48:56

show up. be

48:58

interested to know what it was that they were

49:00

prepared for in that

49:02

way. Sure. I would be interesting. And

49:04

another thing I think would be interesting is

49:06

that you can tell if you listen

49:08

to these that there are

49:10

things that that got

49:12

a great bulk of

49:14

things that the answers are just I don't know. Yeah.

49:16

Yeah. And then there are other things where there's

49:18

a rant. Yes. And that is

49:20

notable to -- Yeah. -- and I I

49:22

don't know what exactly it means. But, yeah, it does give the appearance of

49:24

that. Yeah. So the

49:26

question comes up of, hey,

49:28

buddy, do you know any shows that do

49:30

what you

49:32

do? this especially shows of

49:34

your size. Yep. And Alex does come up

49:36

with Glenn Back. Sure. At the time, they were

49:38

similar size and what have you. Yep. Yeah.

49:41

But the the follow-up of

49:44

any show that you can name

49:46

talk about Sandy Hook like you

49:48

did. Alex has trouble with

49:50

that. at

49:50

least as of two thousand and twelve,

49:52

I

49:53

mean, there was

49:55

nobody else in in

49:57

the American media landscape. was

49:59

doing what you were doing. Fair to say, a

50:01

financial former. No. That's

50:04

not true. Okay. There

50:06

who who else had an audience of your

50:08

size? in two thousand and twelve.

50:10

That was covering things the way you covered them. Objection

50:12

as to form You lend back

50:16

Okay.

50:16

okay Anybody

50:18

else?

50:18

There were a

50:21

patient. Hundreds of popular

50:24

shows. that had substantive audiences. Anybody anybody

50:26

else among those shows that had substantive

50:28

audiences claimed that Sandy Hook was

50:31

a hoax. Okay. that you

50:33

know of? There there

50:36

were I don't think it was a show as big as

50:38

mine saying that, but but it was

50:40

definitely a lot of a lot of people

50:42

that had radio shows and things. Can you name me one

50:44

person who had a radio

50:46

show, who claimed that Sandeep was

50:48

a hoax? as you sit here

50:50

today? Other than you?

50:52

I don't have a computer in front of me,

50:54

but there were I mean, I mean, there were there

50:56

were people that questioned it definitely. It was

50:58

a big controversy. Right? And people

51:00

that covered the controversy. Garrison

51:02

Keeler was all over it. Yeah. I was gonna

51:04

say what else he got. There was

51:06

a there was a radio host like Wobbegun,

51:08

who was really on the cutting edge

51:11

of this stuff. Listen. Listen. I know

51:13

I know it sounds weird, but

51:15

there was a Detroit Tiger's

51:17

broadcast that was strangely enough all about Sandy Hook

51:19

for a while. This is

51:21

going to really

51:24

be shocking but the

51:26

fresh air was largely

51:28

about sanding hooking the hooks for

51:30

about six months.

51:32

That'll happen. That'll happen. Fresh

51:34

air's a little bit weird like that. You know, they

51:36

have seasons. All things

51:38

considered. They consider all

51:40

things. I think they do.

51:42

It's insane. If they

51:45

did consider all things that they

51:47

would have considered this, so I think It's

51:49

a tautology. Logically, I think we can conclude that they

51:51

also spent the same amount of time on it as I did.

51:53

Yep. So there's a discussion about the

51:56

second amendment of course, because always

51:58

-- Right. -- and

52:00

those the the expectation that you

52:02

talk about the importance of the

52:04

second amendment Defensively.

52:06

Mhmm. And said Alex is bringing up -- Right. -- defensive.

52:08

Sure. And Maddie gives

52:10

a couple of points of, like, yeah.

52:13

But eventually, you're gonna need to fight this oppressive

52:15

government. Right. The idea is

52:17

eventually you're gonna need to use those guns

52:19

in an office of banner

52:22

against it. You know, there's going to be that.

52:24

The gun is for shooting. And Alex

52:26

eventually has to give it to be

52:28

like, yeah. Alright. We're gonna have to fight you

52:30

out. That that's weird. As

52:32

part of this resistance

52:34

to the the global

52:36

New World War

52:38

you'd agree with me that your view is that an

52:40

armed pop populace may be

52:42

necessary to fight them off. Correct?

52:46

Yes. If if

52:47

we get intubated during an economic collapse

52:49

by United Nations forces and they're confiscating

52:51

our guns and

52:54

putting us in their in the camps, then people

52:56

do have a right of duty to protect themselves

52:58

and their family. And that's what the second amendment is

53:01

enshrined for. It's also the first amendment

53:04

is enshrined but able to speak up so we don't ever have to use the

53:06

second amendment on on a on a wide scale.

53:08

Because there's nothing that these

53:10

globalists won't do,

53:12

right, to

53:13

achieve global domination. Right?

53:16

There's

53:16

not much I wanted. I mean, one of the things

53:18

that you've accused them of doing is manufacturing

53:21

the COVID crisis as a way

53:23

to depopulate. Correct? Hundred

53:26

percent of it was cooked up by

53:28

consortium globalist. hundred percent of DASIC bill

53:30

gauge and of course

53:32

Fauci and developed at the North

53:34

Carolina Chapel

53:36

Hill facility. then move the two

53:38

thousand and fifteen to Wuhan.

53:40

We have all the documents where they we

53:42

have all the documents. COVID-nineteen, they have

53:44

to do an aerosolized sized weapon. Okay. Of

53:47

course. Of course. Yes.

53:49

Yeah. Naturally. Naturally. Yeah. I

53:51

I love that response

53:52

to him

53:54

say, these things because they're they it's just it rolls off my

53:56

back, like, water on the you know,

53:58

the -- Yep. -- the I've got all the documents.

54:00

The the response of got

54:03

all the documents. Like, it's

54:07

so funny because you

54:09

you just expect, like, the Could

54:11

you produce them? Yeah. The answer is, of course. So

54:14

Of course, I can't deal with them. I'll deal with you

54:16

tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right

54:18

right along when I give you that

54:20

Blooper email. See,

54:22

that's fun. I I do appreciate the

54:24

idea. I had never I that it had not

54:26

occurred to me before that the first

54:28

amendment was there to keep

54:30

the second amendment from being used.

54:32

See, that makes sense. Well, the

54:35

second amendment is unfortunate. You know, you

54:37

you need it, but it is a a

54:39

method of last resort. There's a

54:41

logic to it. There is, you

54:43

know, like, listen, it's okay to talk.

54:45

Mhmm. Right? But when the talk is done, you

54:47

gotta do the shooting. First amendment's talking,

54:49

second amendment shit. Well, ear

54:51

is the reality. The pen is miter than

54:53

the sword. Right. But the gun, more powerful

54:55

than the sword. a lot more powerful than the sword and

54:57

the pad. Put it together. Yeah. Sweet.

55:02

Yeah. Or a yeah. Tongue sword

55:04

pan. Yep. Now I got the tongue and the

55:06

pan mixed up, but it's

55:08

shits there. You know what I'm talking about? It's there. Alright. I got the documents.

55:10

Second amendment. So you can see

55:12

there too something that I believe is a

55:16

of questioning that goes on through this. And that is that

55:18

the globalist will do anything. They

55:20

will do anything. And so Maddie

55:23

does line up a list of, like, these things that

55:25

Alex has called false flags, you know, Oklahoma City,

55:28

column buying -- Sure. --

55:30

all this. Yeah. And I think

55:32

part of it is to make it

55:34

like, why would it be any more

55:36

extreme for them to do

55:38

Sandy Hook? Yeah. In your mind.

55:40

Right? Yeah. It would do anything. It's not really that

55:42

outside your ideas -- Yeah.

55:45

-- at all. It's almost

55:48

a weird sense of, like, normalizing

55:50

it within his ideology. Right.

55:52

Because I think he would be adverse be

55:54

like, well, I wouldn't say that they do this or something. Sure. Like, no. This is

55:56

right on par with everything that you say.

55:58

Right. Right. Right. It's priming him to

56:01

be more receptive to to just

56:03

being like, yeah. Well, and defending his own worldview. Sure. You know, I think I

56:06

think that there's a piece of that whether it's

56:08

intentional or not. Interesting.

56:10

But, yeah, It

56:12

goes through a number of these

56:15

shootings and terrorist

56:17

false flags that Alex has covered,

56:19

and one of them stuck

56:21

out to me. Then in

56:22

two thousand and eleven, you claimed that

56:25

the shooting of

56:27

congresswoman Gabby Difford which took

56:29

the lives of six people and we did thirteen

56:32

others was a staged

56:34

operation correct operation. Correct?

56:36

he

56:37

was mentally ill, and I believe may have been under control. What you said

56:39

was it was a

56:41

staged operation. Correct? In

56:44

context, I I think I remember saying that. Yes.

56:46

Yeah. And and

56:48

who is it that you said was under mind

56:50

control? of the individual that did

56:52

the shooting. Do you remember his name? I don't remember.

56:54

He was an audience

56:57

member of yours. Was

57:00

he not I I don't

57:01

I don't know that. Yeah. So there's

57:03

a there's a couple things here

57:05

first is that you

57:07

know, Alex has these grandiose

57:10

ideas about, like, oh, this is a mind control

57:12

person. You don't even remember their fucking name. Yeah. You

57:14

don't care about this

57:16

at all. you just have, like, a little bit of

57:18

a detail that you remember, like, oh,

57:20

that's what that's what we can say about

57:22

this. Right. If you actually thought

57:24

this person was,

57:26

like, mind control subject who tried to kill a

57:28

Gabby Gifford's and killed a bunch of

57:30

other people. Think it would be

57:32

maybe a more important

57:34

data point. you know, in the cosmology of your

57:36

ideas. I'm gonna throw this

57:38

out. If you could prove to

57:40

me that somebody had

57:42

been mind controlled into

57:44

attempting to assassinate a political

57:46

figure. That would be the

57:48

only thing I'm interested in moving forward

57:51

We gotta figure out this mind control shit because I can't

57:54

trust what anyone is saying to me

57:56

anymore. Imagine imagine if

57:58

Alex dedicated himself to

57:59

proving anything as opposed to just deciding everything is Yeah.

58:02

Yeah. If you could prove mind

58:04

control, I am on your team. Because fuck,

58:06

if I know what I believe is

58:10

true anymore, everybody's mind control, if mind control is

58:12

possible. Yeah.

58:14

Well, I mean, then you get into the whole,

58:16

like, Exactly. the simulation

58:18

spot. Okay. Alright. Fine. You know

58:20

what? Mine controls off the table then. I'm

58:22

fine. Okay. So this Gabby

58:25

Gifford shooting is part of a

58:27

line of, like, you know, columbine -- Yeah. -- all of these

58:30

shootings. And the intention

58:32

behind this is to demonstrate

58:34

to Alex that there is a

58:36

pattern that is very clear and that

58:38

is the day of these things you

58:40

say they're fake. Right. That is what

58:42

you do. Your audience expects it. It is just how this

58:44

works. Right. And so

58:46

we get to the Aurora shooting,

58:48

and Alex tries to play

58:50

dumb on that one. And

58:53

then

58:53

in July two thousand and

58:54

twelve, we had the Aurora movie

58:57

theater shooting. Correct? No.

58:59

That Mhmm.

59:00

And there on that very day, on the

59:02

day of the shooting, you again said there's a hundred percent

59:04

chance that it was a false flag. Correct?

59:07

I believe that was a few days

59:08

later when it was in the local newspaper, that

59:11

he told people in the jail, the

59:13

guards, that he was under mind

59:15

control. Are you denying that on

59:17

the day of the shooting itself, you said

59:19

there was a hundred percent chance it was a

59:21

false flag? I may have said that. Okay.

59:23

You know what you said that. Don't you?

59:25

No. I don't know that.

59:26

So they don't have it from me. Okay.

59:28

Why don't we show

59:30

exhibit 102A

59:33

That's gotta be a nightmare.

59:36

Yeah. I I just don't Trying to

59:38

play fast and loose gear. And when I

59:40

hear, well, let's play this clip. It's

59:42

like a laugh. Alright. I'm gonna watch

59:44

myself say the thing I was trying to be

59:46

a little bit cagey about.

59:48

The the

59:50

idea of being in a deposition and saying, I

59:52

believe something happened to the

59:54

lawyer who

59:56

you know knows

59:57

the answer to every question. He's

59:59

not

59:59

asking questions for information.

1:00:02

Man, he's operating.

1:00:04

Just asking questions. He's operating on

1:00:06

the assumption of, like, alright, this lawyer knows answer to ninety

1:00:08

nine percent of the questions, and they

1:00:11

only want me to answer

1:00:14

that one percent because that'll really screw me over. So Yeah. What he's

1:00:16

doing? just pretend to not know anything. That's

1:00:18

how I'm gonna get around. It I

1:00:20

don't know. Maybe that's the thing thought process,

1:00:24

but It's it's a little clip

1:00:26

of Alex saying that. Uh-huh. And

1:00:28

this is awesome. This

1:00:31

is a great attempt on Alex's part to weasel away. Okay.

1:00:33

Did you see that dated there July twentieth two

1:00:36

thousand and twelve? Did you

1:00:38

see

1:00:38

that?

1:00:39

So where

1:00:42

is that

1:00:42

at the beginning of the

1:00:43

video? Oh. Where it said in full In the last Yes.

1:00:45

Yeah. That was the day of the shooting. You

1:00:48

know that? I

1:00:49

I did. Thank you for refreshing my memory.

1:00:51

Okay. This is a very nice

1:00:54

achievement. You said, right? One

1:00:56

hundred percent chance false

1:00:58

flag. Right? Yeah.

1:00:58

I think that's a play on words, chance. What? That's a

1:01:01

chance. That's a chance.

1:01:02

Just just yeah. A hundred

1:01:04

percent said. did you mean?

1:01:07

No. I had a hundred percent

1:01:07

chance that could be going on.

1:01:10

Okay. You see? I don't

1:01:12

know. It was eloquent wordplay. I

1:01:14

don't know if the quiver of

1:01:16

arrows can be more empty. If

1:01:18

Alex's result resulting to

1:01:20

himself to ward games -- Yeah. -- like,

1:01:22

ah, what if I play

1:01:24

with language you --

1:01:26

-- Excuse me. -- it was pumped. Oh,

1:01:29

that's not gonna work,

1:01:31

man. Oh, boy. It's

1:01:34

great. That's that's fantastic. You do see, like, one

1:01:36

of the things that I really enjoy about these

1:01:38

depositions is that, like, that's unnecessary. Yeah.

1:01:42

It's Alex grasping at straws for no re No reason at

1:01:44

all. No. No. It is it

1:01:46

is all too often, like, the kids

1:01:48

say the darkest things, whatever. You're

1:01:52

like Why? Why would you say that you child?

1:01:54

Well, it it's so easy

1:01:56

for Alex to just admit that he said

1:01:58

that because there's a video of it. Yep.

1:02:01

And then if about the TV And then if asked why,

1:02:04

say, I don't know, or that was my

1:02:06

belief at the time. Totally. Or whatever.

1:02:08

I don't need to say like

1:02:10

a word game. So that's bananas.

1:02:12

You're not gonna get out of this. Also, I think

1:02:14

it's reasonable if you didn't remember

1:02:16

that you said that on the day.

1:02:18

You say bunch of

1:02:20

bullshit every day. You don't care what you say. Of

1:02:22

course, you don't remember you said it on that day. But

1:02:24

when he says, did you say it on the day? Just be

1:02:26

like, yep. probably I thought that right.

1:02:28

Yeah. If you asked me, I totally did. Yeah. Yeah. So we get to Sandy Hook

1:02:30

and, of course, the pattern has been

1:02:32

established through this line of questions that

1:02:36

the day of these tragedies, you deny them. Right. That's what you

1:02:38

do. Your audience knows to the

1:02:40

game. And then, Alex,

1:02:42

there there's some kinda shocked

1:02:44

me was the question comes

1:02:46

up whether or not he watched

1:02:48

his show from that

1:02:50

day to prepare for any of these

1:02:52

cases. And I would have thought You probably

1:02:54

watched. I mean, at least a little bit.

1:02:56

Nope. Maybe on two times speed.

1:02:58

Nope. Sir, mister Jones,

1:03:00

after having

1:03:01

claims your audience

1:03:03

of millions that each of the events

1:03:05

we just went through

1:03:08

were staged by the government.

1:03:10

You

1:03:10

went on the

1:03:13

air

1:03:13

on December fourteenth two

1:03:15

thousand and twelve

1:03:17

to discuss a shooting

1:03:20

that had happened that morning in Connecticut. Correct?

1:03:23

Yes. On

1:03:27

the morning of

1:03:29

December fourteenth two thousand

1:03:32

and twelve,

1:03:33

Adam Lands has shot

1:03:35

his way in the San Diego Elementary School.

1:03:37

You know that?

1:03:39

Yes. He killed twenty

1:03:41

children and six adults. Correct? Yes.

1:03:43

and you were

1:03:43

at your studio in Texas that day.

1:03:46

Right? I believe so. And

1:03:48

your show aired at its regular time, eleven

1:03:50

AM

1:03:52

central? Yes. And you

1:03:54

started talking about Sandy

1:03:57

Hook,

1:03:57

didn't you? I

1:03:59

believe so. And you knew exactly what you were gonna

1:04:02

say too.

1:04:05

no No. I remember

1:04:06

I think I was we were covering what the news was

1:04:08

up to and what was what people were saying, callers

1:04:11

were calling in. Mhmm. Well, no caller

1:04:13

that called in told you that Sandy Hook was staged

1:04:16

today. I haven't reviewed that

1:04:18

show. You

1:04:20

produced it you know

1:04:22

that? I I told him to give you everything we had,

1:04:24

and you didn't think that you

1:04:26

might

1:04:26

wanna review

1:04:27

your broadcast from a day

1:04:29

of shooting. Jake.

1:04:32

the

1:04:34

Again, I really tried to

1:04:35

not think about Sandy

1:04:38

Hook, but because I get bombarded with it. So I'm

1:04:40

I'm no. I'm not interviewing

1:04:42

much of this stuff. There was a there

1:04:44

was a pause there

1:04:46

in that And that is kind

1:04:48

of like him realizing, well, it

1:04:50

does look bad that I didn't I didn't

1:04:52

review this. This kind of I'm gonna have to

1:04:54

explain this. And I I like to translate

1:04:56

what he's saying. Yeah. That, like, I don't like to

1:04:58

think about Sandy Hook or

1:05:00

whatever. That's him saying, I don't wanna

1:05:02

face what I did. Yeah. That is entirely I'm

1:05:04

too much of a coward to own up to the

1:05:06

fact that I behaved this way

1:05:10

in cause this much pain to people. Yeah. I mean,

1:05:12

well, the part of that

1:05:14

was it literally never occurred to

1:05:16

me to

1:05:18

do so. is not something I want to do. I have built up

1:05:20

psychological roadblocks. Exactly. It

1:05:22

won't allow me to even come close

1:05:26

to reckoning with my own actions.

1:05:28

Thought never occurred to me. Yeah. It

1:05:30

is verbatim. Yep.

1:05:32

So the it's

1:05:34

pretty important to understand and

1:05:36

recognize especially in hindsight that

1:05:38

Alex when he got on air that

1:05:40

day had no information. Right. When when he's

1:05:43

saying this, it looks like a false flag, this looks

1:05:45

fake, he had nothing other than

1:05:47

himself. Same thing that we were looking

1:05:49

at, he was looking at, and

1:05:51

he had no more information than us. We did not

1:05:54

call it a false flag. And

1:05:56

he has these quote unquote

1:05:58

anomalies that he can look

1:06:00

at. And so, like, JIVE. NO.

1:06:02

AND HE CAN SAY, USE THAT TO JUSTIFY HIS

1:06:04

SUSPICIANS AND ALL THIS, BUT

1:06:06

NONE OF THAT WAS ANYWHERE IN

1:06:08

HIS MIND.

1:06:10

IMMEDIOUS no. There were no of these anomalies. Right. And

1:06:12

so that comes up and this is weird.

1:06:14

I I mean, I could go back over

1:06:16

some of the anomalies. I'm sure you'll

1:06:18

you'll bring him up. asking It reports of multiple

1:06:20

shooters, the man in the woods,

1:06:23

the camo, some

1:06:26

of the

1:06:26

the responses and

1:06:28

things by the first responders.

1:06:30

And we've seen other events that we

1:06:33

had questions about And and so we were, you know, obviously, looking to see if it

1:06:35

was a stage of that. And you had none of that information

1:06:38

available to you when you went on the air. Did you Text

1:06:40

messages to form I'm I'm

1:06:43

again, I need to go back to

1:06:45

the timetable of that. But if I'm

1:06:47

sitting there saying this

1:06:50

could be staged, I mean, a lot

1:06:52

of stuff stage. Of course, you get mistakes. And and you then

1:06:54

titled

1:06:54

the video that you published

1:06:56

that day,

1:06:58

Connecticut School

1:07:01

massacre looks like false

1:07:03

flag witnesses say. You

1:07:05

remember that? I

1:07:06

don't remember that, Yep. You

1:07:08

titled

1:07:08

you titled your own videos. Right? Sometimes, actually,

1:07:12

that's your practice. Correct?

1:07:12

It is I I generally like

1:07:15

to try to title some of

1:07:17

the videos. Right? It it's your practice to do it.

1:07:19

Geoffrey, it's

1:07:20

Tom Boyd. Didn't do it yesterday? Didn't do it

1:07:22

Sunday. No. I don't do it all the time. It's not my

1:07:24

yes. I do. Topical videos when I get

1:07:26

a chance Nico Acosta was

1:07:28

your longtime producer. Correct? He

1:07:30

was a radio booker. Yes. What? He was

1:07:32

your longtime producer of your show. Was he

1:07:34

not? Yes. But that

1:07:35

has a different and he and

1:07:38

he testified in this case you were that?

1:07:40

Nope. Okay. And I knew he testified to. I

1:07:42

don't know what he testified to. Now,

1:07:43

not a

1:07:45

single witness that you spoke to. First of

1:07:47

all, you didn't speak to any witnesses that day

1:07:49

you witnessed

1:07:51

this shooting.

1:07:52

Correct? I was watching it on television and hearing what the witnesses were saying.

1:07:54

You were watching

1:07:55

witnesses on television speak? I

1:07:58

was watching

1:07:58

what people

1:07:59

were saying on television and not a single

1:08:02

witness. Said that it was false flag. Did

1:08:04

that? I I don't know

1:08:06

that. Okay. You

1:08:07

just You think a a witness section is When

1:08:09

you you're saying you were saw you saw

1:08:11

news reports, you're cutting him off. You

1:08:13

saw news reports that day?

1:08:15

as you were watching, as you were broadcasting. I think we're playing part of

1:08:17

the news reports on air live as you

1:08:20

were broadcasting.

1:08:22

Mhmm. and you think and and one of those news reports included

1:08:25

what? An interview of a witness?

1:08:27

I will go back

1:08:28

and I will review that

1:08:30

that first day. I didn't know. Do

1:08:32

you know? I mean, I'm I'm I I agree.

1:08:34

I questioned

1:08:34

it right away. Do you think that a

1:08:37

a witness

1:08:39

on the air

1:08:41

on the air told

1:08:42

you that the massacre

1:08:44

looked like a false flag? No. I'm telling

1:08:46

you that here's the thing.

1:08:49

I haven't reviewed the broadcast a while.

1:08:51

I should have commented on. Okay. So

1:08:52

you have no idea

1:08:55

whether any witness to the

1:08:57

shooting ever said that it looked

1:08:59

like a false flag. Correct? I I

1:09:01

can't speak to something that I'm not

1:09:03

really even. Okay. Well, you you lived it, didn't you? It was ten years in

1:09:06

ago. Alright.

1:09:08

So yeah, this line of questioning is

1:09:10

a like, just a disastrous falling off a

1:09:14

cliff for Alex. Yeah. The the title of that

1:09:16

video, Sandy Hook shooting looks

1:09:18

like a false flag witnesses

1:09:20

say is such

1:09:23

a disaster because The the question

1:09:26

the follow-up obviously is what witnesses what are you talking about? Right.

1:09:29

This is

1:09:32

all nonsense. rates. And you can't answer that because

1:09:34

you don't have an answer to that. Yeah. It is it is interesting

1:09:36

to look at

1:09:39

somebody to, like, watch in

1:09:41

real time as somebody finally sees themselves from the outside. You

1:09:43

know? Like, because he inside, he's

1:09:46

like, okay, you know

1:09:48

what? I did some bad

1:09:50

things, but I'm not guilty, you know. And then whenever he sees himself

1:09:53

through that lens

1:09:56

of, like, Oh, I really can't explain that.

1:09:58

I really can't Are you I look the most guilty anyone's ever looked. Are you trying to tell me you turned on

1:10:00

CNN and a witness

1:10:02

to the shooting said looks fake?

1:10:06

Well, now with

1:10:07

that you say it like that. because

1:10:08

that's where you're headlines. Alright. Okay.

1:10:10

So okay. Or did you

1:10:12

have conversations with witnesses who

1:10:14

told you that off air? What what's

1:10:17

going on here? None of it. It is it is like you woke

1:10:19

up really, really sleepy. You were

1:10:22

paying attention and your

1:10:24

friends had put you inside a dolphin

1:10:26

costume and you went to the liquor store and you were like, oh, I'm gonna go get some get some gum

1:10:28

or something and everybody's like, you

1:10:31

are wearing a dolphin costume. you're

1:10:35

like, I'm fine. So biggie. So this

1:10:37

next clip is a little bit longer. I'm gonna

1:10:39

say mic down for this even though it's

1:10:41

about four minutes. Oh, boy. And

1:10:43

reason question about

1:10:49

the Robbie Parker Press Conference -- Mhmm. -- which as we know, Alex basically

1:10:51

just played the first

1:10:55

two seconds of And

1:10:58

the question has to do with

1:11:00

whether or not he ever even watched the full conference.

1:11:02

So a very simple yes or no question.

1:11:07

you have just described is going to lead to a four minute

1:11:09

clip that I need to put my mic down for.

1:11:11

Well, because if it

1:11:14

it takes a turn. That sounds

1:11:17

right. Yeah. Oh, boy.

1:11:19

Now that day

1:11:21

after the Sandy Hook,

1:11:24

Tragedy. A father

1:11:26

of

1:11:28

one of

1:11:28

the children spoke to

1:11:30

the press about his church. Did

1:11:33

you know that? Yes.

1:11:35

Did you watch that live?

1:11:38

I watched it. I don't remember if

1:11:40

I

1:11:43

watched it live. When

1:11:48

did you watch

1:11:49

it? I know I've watched the

1:11:51

Robbie Parker videos at Arizona?

1:11:54

I'm talking the

1:11:56

statement that mister Parker gave the day after

1:11:58

the shooting. I I've I've I've watched

1:12:00

it many times, and

1:12:02

I watched it near the back

1:12:05

at that time. I don't remember ten years later

1:12:07

how I watched it or exactly when I watched it. Did

1:12:09

you watch the

1:12:12

whole thing? I

1:12:13

I mean, I I watch some what is the

1:12:15

whole thing again? Did you watch his

1:12:17

entire statement? fiction to

1:12:19

the press of anything? I

1:12:22

remember watching the whole press conference. Okay.

1:12:24

Let's play. And and you

1:12:27

think you did it around

1:12:29

the time? that you gave it, although

1:12:31

you can't say exactly when. I mean, really yeah. I mean, I know

1:12:33

the statement. I know what you're talking

1:12:34

about. I don't remember when I

1:12:38

Exactly. I watched it ten years ago.

1:12:40

What

1:12:40

what was his child's

1:12:43

name? Who

1:12:43

was murdered at

1:12:46

Sandio?

1:12:47

I don't remember. Can you name

1:12:49

a single

1:12:49

person who was murdered at San Diego? Back at

1:12:51

the time,

1:12:52

we've said some

1:12:54

of the names, but I've most of

1:12:56

the people sued me. I never said their names.

1:12:58

So, I mean, like I said, I'm not in fact, I'm not gonna say

1:13:00

their names now because they'll

1:13:03

edit it or something. mister Jones. Do

1:13:05

you know the name of a single

1:13:06

person who was killed at senior? Yes.

1:13:09

I know some

1:13:12

other names. Okay. Go ahead and tell me which names

1:13:14

you're not you know, can you you'll edit it or something? I'm not giving you what you want. Oh, yes. You are. Oh,

1:13:16

you want to make them objection

1:13:18

objection. You say they're negative or they would

1:13:22

No. I I wanna see

1:13:24

whether you're lying or not when you say you know them.

1:13:26

No a positor. Okay. Can you give me another one?

1:13:28

I'm done. Can you give me another one? I

1:13:30

didn't kill those children. And you can even

1:13:32

know people in the public opinion say, I killed them.

1:13:34

And I'm not gonna say their names so you

1:13:36

can edit it together, act like I did something

1:13:39

to them. There's there's a court record of what you say here. So other than the

1:13:41

opposing, can you name a single person who was

1:13:43

murdered at Sandy Hook?

1:13:46

I'm just joking. And I'm parlor tricks.

1:13:48

Okay. Who? You you're gonna

1:13:50

answer the question. So

1:13:51

Otherwise, there's no reason to instruct

1:13:53

him in that way. If you need to

1:13:55

read from the court, secretly. We

1:13:57

have a brief moment. No. We may not. You're gonna we

1:13:59

just took a break. Can you name a single person who

1:13:59

was murdered at Sandy

1:14:02

Hook other than no opposed

1:14:04

her?

1:14:06

objection as

1:14:06

to force? Yes. If I need

1:14:08

to go into my mind and dredge it up our probe

1:14:10

again, but I'm not gonna sit here and say their

1:14:13

names for you. you can have something

1:14:15

for your HBO movie you're making. Mister

1:14:17

Jones, this is a lawsuit brought by people whose

1:14:19

children and loved ones were

1:14:22

killed, actually, in the form. And

1:14:24

I didn't tell him that nobody

1:14:26

said they know they will know who

1:14:28

murdered their children. Oh, Okay. But

1:14:30

the general public comes up to me and says mister Jones. Mister Jones? Mhmm.

1:14:33

The question

1:14:36

before you. is

1:14:37

whether you're capable of stating the name of any other

1:14:40

person

1:14:40

those who

1:14:42

was murdered at

1:14:44

Sandy took of

1:14:45

the objection, officer. I mean,

1:14:47

I could probably judge up some of the names,

1:14:49

but

1:14:49

I'm done I'm done doing it. No. You're not

1:14:51

done doing it. So

1:14:55

the answer is no. You can't do it.

1:14:57

Sure. I can't do it.

1:14:59

Okay. That

1:15:00

is heavy. Yeah.

1:15:03

Yeah. It makes me think

1:15:05

that as as bad as it was. I

1:15:07

do think that when Alex was

1:15:09

on the stand, both

1:15:11

Mark and Chris had

1:15:14

to have maintained a large amount of

1:15:17

restraint because they clearly know

1:15:19

where to press the

1:15:21

button to make Alex dance. you

1:15:23

know, like, if they wanted to make Alex

1:15:25

really explode, they had the

1:15:28

buttons. I

1:15:30

think I think probably. Yeah.

1:15:32

Yeah. I think they chose to make sure that

1:15:34

he only exploded as much as he did.

1:15:36

Well, yeah. You don't wanna derail things

1:15:39

too much. Right. Right. believe and

1:15:41

Maddie does point this

1:15:44

out and and touch

1:15:46

on this. that Alex only knows no depositors name

1:15:49

because he used a

1:15:51

picture of him when

1:15:53

they had the the shooting

1:15:55

in Pakistan that Lenny, his

1:15:57

father, gave him a

1:16:00

strike, a copyright

1:16:03

strike for And so that name is somebody that Alex has

1:16:05

actually had much more engagement

1:16:07

with because of

1:16:11

the harassing of mister Posner over the

1:16:13

picture of his son. Yep.

1:16:15

And so the question of

1:16:17

what are any of

1:16:19

these people's names I don't think Alex

1:16:21

does know any of them. And it's an interesting dodge to be like they're just gonna

1:16:23

edit this together in some

1:16:25

kind of a way. Like,

1:16:28

what kind way

1:16:30

are you worried about people editing you saying someone's name? Yeah. About, like, that's absurd. clearly

1:16:36

evading having

1:16:38

to recognize publicly that you don't care enough about this at all to even

1:16:40

know the names of the people

1:16:42

who were murdered that you have

1:16:46

maligned. Yeah. The only people,

1:16:49

quote, editing this or

1:16:50

putting it out even a

1:16:53

little bit, are

1:16:54

us, and it sounds way

1:16:56

worse when you say that. Yeah. Then if he

1:16:58

said no. Yeah. We both would have been like,

1:17:00

well, yeah, of course, he doesn't know any of those.

1:17:02

I mean, I would still think that's worth comment. Oh, absolutely.

1:17:04

He was honest about it. He said, no. Fuck this guy

1:17:06

for sure. And I don't think I I mean, I'd probably

1:17:11

play, like, a four minute clip too,

1:17:13

if he had, you know,

1:17:15

honored the the -- Totally. Totally.

1:17:17

We would have -- the

1:17:19

people, you know. Yeah. and and and

1:17:21

recognize that he did understand the scope of the impact. Yeah. That's

1:17:23

something that I do want people to because

1:17:26

it's it's hard to really, like,

1:17:28

grab ask

1:17:30

this. But if

1:17:31

Alex had done that, you would

1:17:33

have cut

1:17:34

that clip and we would have both

1:17:36

been like, can you believe this?

1:17:38

Like, it would have been something like, this doesn't fit within our narrative.

1:17:40

We book that. Yeah. Hell, yeah, put

1:17:42

that in there. Well, and it

1:17:44

would be very interesting to

1:17:47

have this demonstration of Alex

1:17:49

having some reckoning of his own actions. How does it would

1:17:51

imply that there was time spent

1:17:55

thinking about it time spent understanding that

1:17:57

wasn't public. And I think that that's just as

1:18:00

noteworthy as what

1:18:02

just happened here. Totally. and

1:18:05

that is ugly. What happened here?

1:18:07

Yeah. Gross. There's another way to go. Yeah. So Alex

1:18:12

said that Robbie

1:18:14

Parker was acting in the press conference. Sure. And, unfortunately,

1:18:19

unfortunately seems

1:18:22

like he still kind of thinks that what he was doing looks like acting. Oh,

1:18:24

god.

1:18:30

we love the first

1:18:32

ones to

1:18:32

be standing and giving her love and

1:18:34

support to all those victims. Because

1:18:37

that's the type of

1:18:39

person that she is. Not because of any

1:18:41

parenting that my wife and I could have done. But because those

1:18:43

are the gifts that we're gonna

1:18:45

take her by her

1:18:48

heavily. Deposits.

1:18:49

Did you watch that at this

1:18:51

time? I believe

1:18:52

I've

1:18:55

seen this. Yes.

1:18:58

was mister Parker

1:19:01

acting when

1:19:04

he referred to

1:19:06

his daughter, Emily, as being somebody

1:19:08

who would have been the first to console victims? Was

1:19:11

he acting when he said that? No. I said later. I believe the shooting happened.

1:19:12

Was he acting

1:19:15

when he said that?

1:19:17

Technicians weren't does he believe that now or at the time? No.

1:19:19

I don't believe he was acting. k. But at

1:19:21

the time, you thought he was

1:19:23

acting

1:19:23

when he just described

1:19:26

his

1:19:27

daughter's personality as being one who

1:19:29

would console

1:19:30

victims. Is that right? Yes.

1:19:31

I mean, it Okay. it

1:19:34

it it it looks really in the classic area of acting. It doesn't come up, but I understand sometimes. I tell you what. It will

1:19:36

be different ways. Classic area.

1:19:38

more about these things, but I

1:19:42

mean, it it it it he looks like it

1:19:45

sounds like Academy Ward wanted to start acting

1:19:47

and that's what everybody a lot

1:19:49

of folks also thought that, but I understand there's a lot

1:19:51

of complex ways people deal with things. That's how I learned more over the years. I I believe that he did lose his I'm sorry for that.

1:19:53

And I did not kill

1:19:56

his daughter. The

1:19:58

mainstream media lied so much that people lost

1:20:00

faith in the system, so now the public doesn't believe

1:20:02

anything because so many times it's it's not true that

1:20:04

people come to it. my show because

1:20:06

I do question everything. Mhmm. And I've also made mistakes in the Jones, the

1:20:11

the

1:20:14

That looked to

1:20:16

you like Academy

1:20:18

Award winning acting, didn't

1:20:20

it? I understand.

1:20:22

The what I'm telling you is is that it it comes in legitimate. When objection

1:20:27

has to form? I'm sorry. Right now,

1:20:30

you just described it as it looks like Academy Award winning at. Thank you. Right? There's a finer minute

1:20:32

right now. Yes. Just a

1:20:34

second

1:20:34

ago. Yes. We're sitting here.

1:20:38

You

1:20:38

said that that looks like Academy Award

1:20:40

winning acting to you. Doesn't

1:20:42

it? Yes. Okay. Mhmm. Gross. And

1:20:45

I think I think you are totally right about the button. And

1:20:47

I think that one of the buttons is making Alex watch

1:20:50

the stuff that he lied

1:20:52

about. Yeah.

1:20:55

You know, like, it's so easy for him

1:20:57

to look at that two seconds of

1:20:59

Robbie Parker appearing

1:21:02

to laugh or whatever -- Yeah. -- and run with that. Yeah. But

1:21:05

what he has a very

1:21:07

serious aversion to is

1:21:09

having in his face this press conference

1:21:11

that is, like, this is what you

1:21:13

are calling acting. You know, like, this

1:21:16

if you are saying that

1:21:18

you watched the whole thing, this

1:21:20

is what you're lying about -- Yeah. --

1:21:22

not just that little snippet. You're lying about all of this. Yeah. And

1:21:26

I think that that Alex

1:21:28

on a human level recognizes his

1:21:30

monstrous. Yeah. Yeah. And he doesn't

1:21:34

like being monster. It is it is a little bit, like, picture

1:21:36

of Dorian Grey kinda shit right there.

1:21:39

Like, he just cannot bring himself

1:21:41

to look at what

1:21:43

he actually is. Yeah. So fascinating. Mhmm. because it's

1:21:46

yeah. because because he knows. He knows

1:21:47

what he is. He can't

1:21:49

not know. Yeah. But

1:21:52

to be confronted with it. It's

1:21:54

somehow different. It's fascinating. Yeah. It really is. It's like, what

1:21:56

happens to a

1:21:57

human brain? You know?

1:21:59

You

1:21:59

you wanna done.

1:22:02

Is is this like a CTE situation? He should don't need his brain to science after he dies. Couldn't hurt.

1:22:05

This couldn't. It

1:22:08

couldn't hurt. we could learn

1:22:10

something. Well, or at least we could throw his brain around like a football. No. That would work. another Yeah.

1:22:12

Could just be booze. Anyway

1:22:15

There's that. There's that. there

1:22:19

is something a dynamic that's at

1:22:21

play here that I think is

1:22:24

really also a

1:22:26

button FOR ALEX AND THAT IS

1:22:29

QUESTIONING HIS INTEGRITY AND

1:22:32

QUESTIONING HIS BRAVERY. Reporter:

1:22:34

RIGHT. He is -- Of which he has none non

1:22:36

bug outs. -- he is willing to admit

1:22:38

that he thought that this looked like

1:22:41

actor. You know? But for some

1:22:43

reason, he is really refusing to say that he called Robbie

1:22:47

Parker an actor. which

1:22:49

he absolutely did. Yeah. He did. And so Maddie is pushing on that,

1:22:51

and then this gets fucking ugly. When

1:22:56

you claimed,

1:22:56

claim Ravi

1:22:57

Parker was a crisis actor. What you

1:22:59

were claiming was that was fabricating and lying about

1:23:02

the existence of his daughter.

1:23:04

Correct? did

1:23:07

I select? No. No. How could

1:23:10

he be an

1:23:12

actor lying about

1:23:13

the death of

1:23:16

his her and still

1:23:17

be telling the truth

1:23:18

about her, mister Jones. Yes.

1:23:20

We look at all of

1:23:22

these events and some have been

1:23:24

staged some haven't been. And everybody

1:23:26

questions things more than ever now. And I've explained to you that the

1:23:28

Internet said they thought, well, he was an actor. It was fake.

1:23:30

I looked up and say, yeah, it looks like he's

1:23:35

acting. And then and then and then I went back and

1:23:37

forth whether it happened or not. And long

1:23:39

before I got sued, I said, no.

1:23:41

I think it happened, mister Jones. So that's that's

1:23:43

that's on record. Mister Jones. Mister Jones?

1:23:45

Yeah.

1:23:45

Why don't you just answer my question?

1:23:48

I mean, you that's

1:23:50

a bigger question. you like to tell your audience that you're the tip of the

1:23:52

spear. Right? Yes. That's what you say. What I

1:23:54

wanna tell you is you're talking to

1:23:56

Global. So you're you're a

1:23:58

precision guided and

1:23:59

you niche Like, objection. That's what you

1:24:02

referred yourself as. Right? I may have done that before. Yeah.

1:24:07

And and yet, you

1:24:09

aren't even willing to sit

1:24:11

here under oath and acknowledge

1:24:14

what you said, I'm sure.

1:24:16

About Robby being an

1:24:17

act. I mean, here's

1:24:18

what I'm saying. No. Sure. And then

1:24:20

acknowledging acknowledging

1:24:23

that what you were saying was

1:24:23

that mister Parker was

1:24:26

fabricating

1:24:26

the existence of his own

1:24:28

daughter. Here's an example you said. Here's

1:24:30

what I'm saying. No. No. No. isn't

1:24:33

that what you said? I'm saying HBO was running this production isn't I'm

1:24:35

saying this is a production. This is a

1:24:39

this is acting. This is for HBO in your

1:24:41

career. You're the ones that live off as Honeycutt kids. There's a lot of acting going on around

1:24:43

here. Everybody's gonna come out

1:24:46

that HBO's directing all this.

1:24:48

You don't think we don't know what, Seth?

1:24:50

His dad lied about me being in Vietnam in combat. You guys are

1:24:52

all famous. I know I know you're trying to

1:24:55

His dad's a false flag. blended.

1:24:58

All you people, mister Jones. I know you're trying to

1:25:01

distract. No. I'm not. It's it's from from

1:25:03

No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.

1:25:05

conduct. I'm checking. Which is what we're Did

1:25:07

Ron just know that his dad never went to Vietnam in line about it? Stolen

1:25:09

glory? Mister John. Is that Ron? Mister Jones. Okay. So Ron did I know about HBO?

1:25:12

Mister John's. you

1:25:15

wanna do you wanna I mean, we here a third day, and you can go on

1:25:17

your rant, like, your I'm sure your pet judge

1:25:20

will do

1:25:22

whatever you want. Oh, yeah. Sure. long out here, Jones. That's really great.

1:25:24

Yeah. And so straight for

1:25:27

lack of a question. Yeah.

1:25:30

That's a Yeah. I

1:25:32

would move to strike that for just general good

1:25:34

person reasons. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Alex is always waiting to

1:25:36

have a little bit of an outburst because

1:25:38

he is a flare for the traumatic.

1:25:41

Sure. But at the same time, this is coming out of a

1:25:43

question that he can't face. Yeah. And that is why

1:25:45

can't you admit to the things that

1:25:48

you said. Yeah.

1:25:51

You know, you're supposed to be this

1:25:53

person who is principles and

1:25:56

and all this, and

1:25:58

yet you lack the spine

1:26:00

to even just sit here and own

1:26:03

up to the mistakes that you've made. Yep. If this is a mistake and you just got

1:26:05

something wrong, you had

1:26:07

some bad sources or

1:26:10

whatever. Why? Why can't you just

1:26:12

admit you said he was an actor and

1:26:14

what that entails, what that implies. Yep. You

1:26:16

have to dodge this with like, oh,

1:26:18

the internet thought looked like acting and I said, hey, maybe it looked like acting. Yeah.

1:26:21

Isn't what you said? You're softening your

1:26:23

own backstory in order to

1:26:25

make it more

1:26:27

palatable to yourself. You can't admit it

1:26:30

to yourself. Yep. You're powered. You act like you're a big dog and you're

1:26:31

just a tiny

1:26:36

yapping puppy. Yeah. You coward. Yeah. It's weak. It's

1:26:38

weak. It's very weak. It's weak. How is it that you I

1:26:40

don't understand how you

1:26:42

can have that much bravado

1:26:45

whenever it

1:26:46

is that lacking. The tip of the spear is

1:26:49

al dente

1:26:52

noodle. Yeah. that's

1:26:54

not that sharp. No. So one of the things that Alex, one of his claims, in

1:26:57

relation to Robbie

1:27:00

Parker, was that prior

1:27:02

to him giving his press conference, someone had given him a card of what to say. Right. And, like,

1:27:04

the media or government was telling him

1:27:06

what to say -- Sure. -- or HBO.

1:27:11

Well, now. Sure. And Alex

1:27:13

has to deal with the

1:27:15

fact that that's based

1:27:17

on nothing. Right. And that was

1:27:20

maybe out of thin air a little

1:27:22

bit. Yeah. Do you see the headline

1:27:24

there father of Sandy Hook victim

1:27:26

asks, read the card seconds before two jerking press conference?

1:27:30

Yes. Okay.

1:27:32

When we

1:27:32

just watched the video,

1:27:35

you

1:27:35

didn't hear mister or say

1:27:37

read the card. Did you? It's very low

1:27:40

audio. I didn't tell what he said. They didn't

1:27:42

hear him say read the card. Did you? Objection.

1:27:45

Can

1:27:45

you play it again for me? No. because

1:27:47

you just watched it. You didn't hear

1:27:47

him say read the card. Did you? Objection. you didn't hear

1:27:49

him say read the card is you object

1:27:52

it

1:27:52

sounded more like we

1:27:54

could start. Yeah. And sure that you

1:27:55

there's a statement

1:27:58

attributed to

1:27:58

you at

1:27:59

the bottom.

1:28:02

where it says

1:28:04

in the second sentence after you

1:28:06

offer your condolences to mister Parker,

1:28:09

It appears that members of the media or government have

1:28:11

given him a

1:28:16

card.

1:28:18

and are telling him

1:28:20

what to say. That's what you said.

1:28:22

Right? In part of protection? That's

1:28:25

what you said. Right? It

1:28:27

appears that members of the media or government have

1:28:28

given him a card. Correct? I mean, I

1:28:30

guess, I picked up on some of that

1:28:32

there. Yeah. I I don't remember

1:28:34

this, but thanks for showing to Sure.

1:28:36

You're welcome. Wow. Did you see anybody in the video that we

1:28:38

watched give mister Parker a card? No. I must have been conflating it

1:28:41

with

1:28:41

something you got

1:28:44

it wrong. Did you see

1:28:46

anybody tell

1:28:46

him what to say?

1:28:52

the I wasn't looking

1:28:53

for that when you played it. Could you play it again? No. I'm just asking, when you I

1:28:55

don't watch the beginning twice, did you see anybody tell me

1:28:57

what to say? I'm just talking to

1:29:00

some people. some

1:29:02

people were leaning over talking to them, but I

1:29:04

don't well, who were they? Were the

1:29:06

members of the media or the government?

1:29:08

I really don't get

1:29:10

your point. Do you understand the question

1:29:11

I'm asking?

1:29:17

You

1:29:17

you put out a statement five days after the shooting that

1:29:19

said members of the media or the government, giving him a card and

1:29:21

her telling him to say. And I just asked

1:29:23

you, after having watched that

1:29:28

video, whether you saw anybody tell them what

1:29:30

to say. Objection. Can we define the storytelling

1:29:32

context? I

1:29:35

I mean, I thought I was watching

1:29:37

that video to see what he said. And I

1:29:39

told you what I thought he said in

1:29:41

difference than what I was saying there. So

1:29:43

I think I think there's that. I didn't watch the video. Did you

1:29:45

see anybody tell them what to say? I wasn't looking for that. I don't

1:29:47

know. I don't know. Right.

1:29:51

Yeah. It's all based on nothing. Yeah. Yeah. It

1:29:53

does really seem like Alex

1:29:56

does not get the point.

1:29:58

No. Like, he just genuinely doesn't.

1:30:00

Yeah. it's it's it's

1:30:02

almost impossible to tell if he doesn't get the point or if he's just so aware of,

1:30:04

like, how important it is for

1:30:06

him not to get the point. Right.

1:30:10

man, it just feels like he really doesn't get the point. Kinda feels

1:30:12

that way too, but it feels like might

1:30:14

be naive. Yeah. It could be. It

1:30:17

is just a bit like, he I I don't

1:30:19

know. I I really don't think he can tell the

1:30:21

difference between whether or not the things he says

1:30:23

are true or not true. Yeah.

1:30:25

It might not matter to him. Here's another thing that that clip made me think of. That would be an interesting

1:30:28

Yeah. Take things

1:30:30

that Alex has construct to

1:30:34

conspiracies out of in the past. Uh-huh. Show

1:30:36

him the same source material and then

1:30:38

ask him what his conspiracy was about

1:30:41

it. creative -- From memory. -- that's a good one.

1:30:43

Because I bet he'd come up with a different conspiracy. That's the shit. That's

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our game show. I bet he

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would like find some other detail -- Right. -- and be like, oh, that must be what I was suspicious

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about. because

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he probably there's probably no consistency.

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Right. Right. because it doesn't mean anything. Let's let's take it the opposite direction.

1:31:01

Get rid of

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Alex entirely. but let's grab

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some of the things that he said and convince three random strangers

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to guess the

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conspiracy theory for money at

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the end of the round whoever has the most money

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wins. That's not a terrible idea. Yeah.

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Another interesting idea would be take three

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things that Alex made a conspiracy out of -- Mhmm. -- and then a fourth thing. And see if

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he could pick out which one was and switches. That's a good one.

1:31:25

That's a good one. But then again, the fourth thing

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that was suspicious

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to him. He might find suspicious. Also, make

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up a similar conspiracy

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theory and see if he

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can tell the difference between them. Whether or not there's what

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detail is different between your version and the

1:31:42

made up version? Mhmm. Yeah. Basically, what

1:31:44

we're doing is trying to find

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ways to apply the scientific Yes. Exactly.

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It's just one of this is repeatable. Can you

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do anything repeatable? No. The

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answer is no. So one thing that I found disgusting was