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love you. Hey everybody Welcome back

1:00

to college ride. I'm Dave. I'm Jordan, workable dudes,

1:02

like, sit around, worship with the altar of Celine

1:04

and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

1:07

Oh, indeed. We are Dan. Jordan? Dan.

1:10

What's up? I have a quick question for you. Yeah. What do we

1:12

got? What's your bright spot today? What? Why don't you

1:14

go for My bright spot, Dan,

1:16

is that recently, I

1:19

I believe it might even be out today. I was

1:21

a guest on the god pod

1:24

I You have to you have to talk to god.

1:26

I know. You know what was fun about that. What

1:28

was that? I I feel like

1:30

the the the cult leader who prophesied

1:33

me -- Mhmm. -- is currently living

1:35

out like a twilight zone dream version

1:37

of like, hey, man, here's what you'll here's what'll

1:39

happen. You think he's gonna talk to God.

1:41

Wrong. He's gonna

1:43

go on the podcast. And do a podcast. Exactly.

1:46

Oh, he's gonna have all these nope. He's

1:48

gonna do the toy zone version of everything.

1:50

Well, at the at the risk of sounding

1:52

like the lead singer of Dishwalla telling me

1:54

all your thoughts on God. Hey, the

1:56

nice guy. I was not like who beat

1:58

her. well No.

2:00

It was fun. They're great. Is is

2:03

there was a psyche and Satan and

2:05

who the literal Christian devil was there. It's

2:07

great. It's good time. Check it out wherever

2:09

podcasts are sold. It's the It's

2:11

happy meals, I believe. Yeah. That's the

2:13

title of it. Happy meals. No. No.

2:15

It's called the God pod. The God pod. Yeah.

2:17

Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Well, that's that is a

2:19

lot of fun. Yeah. It was great. I'm glad

2:22

you had a good time. It was fantastic. I

2:24

will be damned because I didn't go on it. Yes.

2:26

That is true. That is true. I

2:28

would say that my my bright spot

2:31

today, Jordan, is Lee

2:33

over in the UK. Just got

2:35

a little zap package -- Uh-huh. --

2:37

some candy. Yeah. Well, else.

2:40

Very -- Very much appreciated. -- some

2:42

candy. Yeah. It got some British sweets and

2:44

a giant thing of hobnobs, which

2:47

famously on the streets. My favorite

2:49

-- Oh, boy. -- shape. They are. Their

2:51

boats. I I will say

2:53

that I don't know if I can forgive

2:55

them for this twelve month matured

2:57

Christmas put. Yeah. What happened when I opened

2:59

with that good? Month matured. You wanna walk

3:02

the listeners through an So he opened

3:04

the package and he said, it is candy dumbass.

3:07

Well, because it's labeled fragile. It's labeled

3:09

fragile. So I said it was I said it's gonna be

3:11

fragile candy. And you said it's impossible.

3:13

There's no way that the candy went. So obviously it

3:15

was candy. Right. And then you just handed me

3:17

a twelve month Christmas pudding said,

3:19

this one's for you and your wife. Yeah. And

3:21

the brand and mid midspots.

3:23

I was gonna bring those up. I will look.

3:25

I I will take one for the team and have

3:27

all the candies. Sure. You could add the Christmas

3:30

holiday. I'll I'll eat the twelve

3:32

months mature. Oh,

3:34

boy. Yep. Let's try it out. So

3:36

Jordan, today, we are time traveling.

3:38

Oh. I felt the urge

3:40

to go back to the past. Yes. I

3:43

you know, just every now and again, you need

3:45

a re up. You need to go

3:47

back and get a taste of what things used

3:49

to be like. And like I mentioned

3:51

on our last episode, we I

3:53

got of the August time

3:55

frame. And so I decided to jump to

3:57

December, and that was a very strategic

3:59

decision

3:59

on my part because

4:01

December two thousand

4:04

three is when Saddam Hussein ends

4:06

up being found. That's right. And

4:08

so I would love to see the lead

4:10

up to that and how Alex responds

4:12

-- Right. -- when Saddam has found, because

4:14

as we know, Alex believes that he's in Belarus

4:16

-- Yeah. -- with his kids -- Yes. -- and a

4:18

bunch of gold. His two very alive sons

4:20

-- Yes. -- that he believes are there.

4:22

So we will get to that

4:24

when it gets to that. But for now, we are

4:26

just check backing in on December first

4:29

and seeing seeing what the path leads

4:31

us to. Excellent. And today, we're gonna be going

4:33

over December first and second two

4:35

thousand three. And I'm

4:37

gonna just give a little

4:39

bit of I don't know. It's

4:41

not a warning, but I'm gonna this is gonna be a little

4:43

bit of a shorter episode. But

4:45

the reality is something that we

4:47

talk about, I think, is actually very important.

4:50

Okay. And so I don't know. We

4:52

might hit an hour we might not.

4:55

But I do think that this is

4:57

something that something that happens is

4:59

definitely like I can't believe

5:02

this. Listen. It's about quality

5:04

of minute. Now now we we've

5:06

been doing four hour episodes. We've

5:08

been doing all that stuff. We've got

5:10

that under our belts. Now, it's about

5:12

minute quality. Right. No. And what I've Why are

5:14

you on a blessed episode? I talked about

5:16

passing out under the talk. Exactly.

5:18

It's about quality minutes,

5:21

condensing of doubt. We're getting from

5:23

efficiency. That's our goal. don't know if you want me

5:25

to put your business on the streets, but I know

5:27

that you've been getting back into stand up.

5:29

I have. Yes. I didn't know if you how

5:31

closely you regarding that, but

5:33

I know that laughs per minute is a

5:35

very important use. That's a that

5:37

is a stat that I know

5:39

that you're tracking right now. I've always

5:41

been a huge last per minute

5:43

guy. Yeah. You know, because I have those jokes

5:45

that last two or three minutes with only one

5:47

huge punchline. So my laugh's per

5:49

minute, Wailo. Yeah. Wailo. Under

5:52

one. Under one is not a good

5:54

laugh's per minute. I been told that many a

5:56

time. I never really I never

5:58

tracked that, and I never really understood, like,

6:00

how do you gauge Like,

6:02

what is and it's not a successful laugh.

6:04

Yeah. Like, what if you get a couple people

6:06

laughing in the audience but really hard.

6:08

Right. Right. Right. Or just

6:10

a good size laugh from everybody. do they count?

6:12

Do they each count as one? I mean,

6:14

who's got the the audio the decibel

6:17

meter? I I don't know. I I think it

6:19

all every part of became

6:21

incredibly stupid to me after I listened

6:23

to Dana Gould's black dolly a bit.

6:25

Mhmm. That five minute

6:27

long bit with one punch line

6:29

is so spectacular. He's got you

6:31

hanging on every word, and then

6:33

the final punch breaks everything

6:36

open the whole place explodes. It's perfect.

6:38

Or the John Glaser and John

6:40

Benjamin forget a buddy. Oh, is it?

6:43

which in theory has one

6:45

joke within twenty so did

6:47

it. There was a by

6:49

judge men was

6:53

the David Cross bit that they did, the

6:55

abortion doctor? No. The comedians

6:57

of comedy tour they did or

6:59

not one they did a one off where I don't

7:01

remember what that bit was. They were they

7:03

both recorded this long

7:05

thing where they started leaving

7:07

the stage and then talking to a recording

7:09

of the other ostensibly because they were at the

7:11

train station. Yeah. Yeah. So what are you doing

7:13

back at the train station? Just

7:16

forever. The two of them had a bit only

7:18

invite them up CD. Yeah. That

7:20

was David Cross was a doctor who

7:22

would put babies back inside and

7:24

then killed him. and

7:27

Doug Benjamin was interviewed and horrified

7:29

by the procedure. That's great.

7:31

That's so good. Anyway,

7:34

we have an episode to do, but

7:36

before that. Let's take a little moment,

7:38

Jordan, say hello. Just some new walks. Oh, that's great

7:40

idea. So first, or happy early

7:42

early birthday on this one. to Happy

7:44

little miss info raccoon. Thank you so much

7:46

for now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk.

7:48

Thank you very much. Thank you. Next,

7:50

Mike from Akron. Divina

7:52

loves you. announced to Vida.

7:55

Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk.

7:57

I'm a policy doc. Thank you very much.

7:59

Next at when it's spelled called

8:01

Kabbal but it's hard not to

8:03

think they're rubbing it in our face. Exclamation

8:05

point. Thank you so much. You're an albalfa as you

8:08

walk. I'm a policy won't. Thank you very

8:10

much. Okay. Next, this

8:12

was actually inspired by today.

8:15

Ironically, they'd sent this in

8:17

prior, but it is actually in response

8:19

to today's episode. Oh my god. What

8:21

do we want? Time travel? When do we want it?

8:23

That's irrelevant. Thank you so much. You're now a

8:25

policy walk. I'm a policy wand. It's a

8:27

witch. And genetically

8:29

enhanced chicken. Thank you so much, Jordan.

8:31

A policy wand. I'm a policy wand. Thank you

8:33

very much. And we got a couple of

8:35

technocrats in the mix here too, Jordan. So first, gay

8:37

fraud Wrangler who worships at the altar

8:39

of Kudzu. Thank you so much. You are now

8:41

a technocrat. And George

8:43

Soros in a hot tub, we call that globalist

8:46

warming. Thank you so much. You are now

8:48

a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk.

8:50

I have risen above

8:52

my enemies. I I might quit

8:54

tomorrow, actually. It's gonna take a little breaky

8:56

now. A little

8:59

breaky for me. and

9:01

then we're going to come

9:03

back, and I'm

9:04

gonna start to show over. But

9:06

I'm a devil gotta be dang it on here. I've been

9:08

all there's a little bit. Fuck

9:11

you. Fuck you. I

9:13

got plenty of words for you, but at the end of

9:15

the day, fuck you in your new world

9:17

order and fuck the horse she

9:19

rode in on, and all your

9:21

shit. Maybe today

9:21

she'd be on this broadcast. Maybe

9:23

I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.

9:27

Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you

9:29

never see me again. That's

9:31

really what I wanna do. I

9:33

never wanna come back here again. apologize

9:35

to the crew and the listeners yesterday

9:37

that I was legitimately having

9:40

breakdowns on air. I'll

9:42

be

9:42

better tomorrow. He's not Not

9:44

even in the past. You know, not even in December two thousand

9:46

three still not good, but

9:48

not not good. Unfortunate. So before we

9:50

get to today's episode, I

9:52

wanted to touch on something from

9:54

our last episode. And that

9:56

is we talked about Alex's coverage

9:58

of the medical assistance and dying

10:00

legislation in Canada. Yeah. And I

10:02

wanted to loop back and touch back on

10:04

that here a little bit before we we

10:06

launch into two thousand three. I don't

10:08

believe that we said anything that I disagree

10:10

with necessarily in hindsight, but I did get

10:12

some messages from listeners that have been really

10:14

helpful in terms of illustrating ways that we could

10:16

have discussed that issue better and from

10:18

a broader perspective. One of

10:20

the points we could have done a better job of stressing

10:22

is that there is an inadequate

10:24

social safety net in terms of support for people

10:26

living with disabilities in Canada.

10:28

And this is A VERY SEVERE ISSUE WHEN IT COMES

10:30

TO THE POINT WHERE POVERTY ENDS UP BEING A

10:32

CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TORT SOMEONE WANTING TO

10:34

PURSUE MADE. THE CASE OF a

10:36

mere pursuit who he discussed on the

10:38

last episode involved that dynamic where his

10:40

disability payments weren't enough to keep him out of

10:42

poverty and weren't enough to allow him to find

10:44

a place to live which would

10:46

leave him living with severe pain on

10:48

house. We did talk about how his case

10:50

illustrates the need for greater social

10:52

welfare, but I wasn't really aware of the

10:54

endemic problem that advocates around

10:56

disability related issues have been raising around

10:58

the intersection of poverty and and

11:00

how this makes the expansion of Made to

11:03

include people whose deaths aren't reasonably

11:05

imminent could contribute towards a program

11:07

that's dangerously close to Eugenics.

11:09

This is really important stuff, and

11:11

I'd like to learn more about it and possibly talk

11:13

to someone who knows more in the future.

11:17

coverage of Alex's content on the subject

11:19

has a tendency to sometimes not

11:21

see all of the broader context and

11:23

implications of a story. because I'm looking at what

11:25

he's saying and then evaluating that.

11:27

So my apologies for not stressing some

11:29

of the more important aspect of what rational

11:31

people's complaints about made actually

11:34

are. There's a real

11:36

critique and an Alex critique. Yeah. And

11:38

I'm focusing on the Alex critique, and

11:40

sometimes that means I

11:42

don't see some of the more

11:44

reasonable criticisms.

11:46

Yeah. It's hard to it's hard

11:48

to completely view an

11:50

issue in a rational perspective when

11:52

somebody is also screaming like, no, you

11:54

shouldn't do that. You should teach me, but I'll be

11:56

a suicide and you're like, no, I I don't even

11:58

understand how I'm supposed to Yeah. And some

12:00

of that's the challenge. And some of

12:02

that is just, you know, you you miss something

12:04

sometimes. IT HAPPENED. THAT BEING SAID, I DO

12:06

THINK THAT SOME OF OUR CONVERSATION

12:08

WAS AROUNDING THE

12:11

QUESTION OF HOW SOCIAL SAFETY

12:14

and welfare programs would

12:17

be a solution to some of the

12:19

confounding factors that

12:21

that were being discussed in these cases, though I

12:23

think we could have done a better job of

12:25

highlighting and and focusing in

12:27

on what some of those problems were.

12:29

Right. Now the second problem, which I actually

12:31

think is a bit bigger, is that there have IN

12:33

SOME REPORTED CASES OF PEOPLE WITH

12:35

DISABILITY IS BEING OFFERED MADE AS

12:37

APPOSED TO THEM PURSUING IT.

12:40

FURTHER CANADIAN LAW HAVE NOT BUILD

12:42

IN OVERSIGHT AND REGULATIONS

12:44

THAT MANY FEEL WOULD BE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT

12:46

THAT KIND OF CARE IS BEING APPLIED

12:48

RESPONSIBLY and that's a really big

12:50

concern. I do think that advocates

12:52

and human rights experts have a valid

12:54

point when they say that this legislation does have

12:56

the potential to have a dehumanizing effect

12:58

on people with this abilities and

13:00

in essence create a perception whether in the

13:02

mind of the public or in the medical

13:04

profession that their lives are somehow less

13:06

worth living, and that is definitely

13:08

unacceptable. I'm not sure

13:10

what the answer is, but I'm gonna read more up

13:12

on this and try to listen to folks with better

13:14

perspectives, but I am confident in my

13:16

opposition to Alex's coverage of the

13:18

story. The takeaway that I have is that

13:20

there are more reasons to take this

13:22

seriously and that Alex Alex's

13:24

coverage paints a cartoonish version of the

13:26

problem and exists in direct

13:28

opposition to the most logical

13:30

elementary solution. to helping

13:32

some parts of this, which is a greater

13:34

social investment in lifting people out of poverty.

13:37

Yeah. And so for anybody

13:39

who took issue with some of our commentary. I

13:41

do I I apologize that there was

13:43

a slice of this and a section of it

13:45

that that was missing. Fair.

13:47

and I hope we do

13:49

better job of being mindful of a lot of

13:51

that stuff, you know, in future

13:53

instances. Oh, we, you know, we do our best.

13:55

And then if we don't, do the best. We

13:57

listen when people tell us we didn't. We try

13:59

to. It's kinda simple. So,

14:02

Jordan, today, December

14:04

first is where we're starting. Mhmm. This

14:06

episode sucks. Okay. There's nothing

14:08

going on. On December first, but

14:11

it's the first day of December.

14:13

In two thousand three,

14:15

there was so much going on.

14:17

There was Oh.

14:19

So the first hour of

14:22

the show is mostly just Alex

14:24

being mad that Bush went to

14:26

Iraq to out turkeys for

14:28

Thanksgiving. Oh, yeah. I

14:30

remember that one. And there's just a lot of

14:32

that. That's the vibe you get.

14:34

There's just a lot of trading

14:37

water and complaining about turkey

14:39

gate. Yeah. We we think about all

14:41

the absurd things and insane

14:43

things that Trump did because they were also

14:45

verify. keep paper towels. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, all

14:47

of that stuff because it was also evil

14:49

in a in a weird way. you

14:52

know, throwing out paper towels was condescending

14:54

and fucked up and and almost

14:56

infantilizing. Mhmm. But bush

14:58

going to the a place that he

15:00

genocided in giving out turkeys for a

15:02

genocide debt holiday. That's

15:05

that's metaphorically more fucked up than I

15:07

can think of. Yeah. an onion of

15:09

irony. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

15:11

we have a couple clips from

15:13

December first. There's not much

15:15

to discuss here, but it's good

15:17

to check-in every now and again to see how

15:19

Alex feels about various

15:21

right wing figures. Sure.

15:23

He still hates Michael Savage,

15:25

spoiler alert. he's hippy. And

15:27

and Alex also has, you know, I I he

15:29

he hear him complain a lot about people

15:31

calling him and his friends not sees

15:33

and stuff. He's like, it's not cool. You shouldn't do

15:35

that. Right. Well, I mean, when it comes to

15:37

Michael Savage yeah.

15:38

Michael Savage shares

15:40

he's a fake Niyokan, I

15:43

have

15:43

heard him. I probably listened fifteen times, and

15:45

I've heard him ten times say so he

15:47

must say it every hour on the hour.

15:49

every person that

15:52

disagrees with the government should be

15:55

arrested in putting a forced labor camp

15:57

to quote, FOR THEIR KEEP. HE SAYS THAT

15:59

ANYONE THAT DISAGREE SHOULD BE ARRESTED

16:01

AND THAT'S HIS CONSERVATISM WHILE

16:03

HE PROTECTS GEORGE BUSH

16:05

AND HIS

16:06

aimless Nazi

16:08

audience, I guess

16:10

must think

16:11

that going under martial law

16:13

is good. So, yeah, his audience is Nazis

16:16

and Michael Savage on the

16:18

hour every hour. So everybody who

16:20

disagrees is to go to a forced labor camp.

16:22

There is there is the the the

16:25

station check, you gotta do. Sure.

16:27

Time and time, for

16:29

sure. Traffic and traffic Everything's

16:31

Yep. Yeah. Yeah. then, of you gotta remind

16:33

people that if you speak out against the government, you

16:35

should put in a forced labor case. Yeah. That's

16:37

just regular morning zoo crew. Michael,

16:39

savage sucks, but even this is a

16:41

little bit unfair to to the

16:43

depicted of him. Alright,

16:45

man. So it's it's just funny

16:47

though because later on, Alex will be like

16:49

Michael's average was a pioneer one of

16:51

the first in this space and a

16:53

hero and a legend. Hell, he was the one who

16:55

organized that the mine was not crowd. That's what he got

16:57

him. Well, and Alex,

16:59

the, you know,

17:01

Michael Savage started accepting his calls.

17:03

Yeah. And so it's it's a big

17:05

a legend. It's a big difference how quick that

17:07

goes. Yes. I got a text.

17:09

He's a legend. Yeah. So Alex takes

17:11

a number of calls on this show. And

17:14

one of them is a very sad man who's

17:16

handed out thousands of Alex's

17:18

tapes. And I'm just trying to get

17:20

tapes

17:20

to the public affairs issues, and

17:22

I'm asking everybody, please help me

17:24

in some way. I'm I'm so tired, mister

17:27

Jones. But we need more people to put out

17:29

more tapes or to

17:31

give them institution. Charles? How

17:33

many copies of my video have you handed

17:35

out? Oh, wait. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

17:38

Right? Okay. all together

17:41

four

17:41

thousand two

17:41

hundred and twelve. Well,

17:44

that's

17:44

just nineteen ninety nine. You know, I've been

17:47

wonderful time. What effect?

17:49

What effect is giving out four

17:51

thousand copies of my videos done in your

17:53

area? Well, my life. moving

17:55

the new parish, but the last parish I was in, I I got

17:57

the whole police department to change

17:59

the attitude to other things and

18:01

be a little bit

18:02

more lenient and and talk

18:04

to me about it instead of condemning me. I

18:07

made

18:07

friends with a a whole police force and

18:09

go into the police building and

18:11

everybody's shakes my hand and they they

18:13

agree with the tapes. Someone would just their

18:15

mouth just dropped open. They asked me to make a

18:17

tape for their mother when they get big

18:19

me, executions, anything, gave me money to buy

18:22

copies? Well,

18:23

police, we found the videos

18:25

are working up police and military even

18:27

more than the general public. Because they're investigators,

18:30

they already know about the criminal mind,

18:32

they already know the information is accurate.

18:34

We just lay it all out

18:37

out. On the

18:37

table forum. Thanks for the call, Charles. So

18:40

I suspect that cops are more affected by

18:42

Alex's earlier documentaries because

18:44

those films are kind of veiled threats against the

18:46

police. They're essentially arguing

18:48

that the police are the strong arm of the

18:50

globalist and will be used to enslave the

18:52

population and thus will be

18:54

the Patriot enemy, and unless they're

18:56

explicitly on the side of the

18:58

Patriots. The message is

19:00

essentially when things go bad, we will kill

19:02

you unless you're on our side.

19:04

Right? It's the same messaging in a ton of militia

19:06

materials. For instance, the book unintended

19:09

consequences involves a plot to assassinate

19:11

law enforcement carried out by patriots who've

19:13

had enough of gun grabbing. This

19:15

isn't necessarily what you'd call a direct

19:17

threat, but it also definitely

19:19

has an undertone in these materials

19:22

that It might seem to help explain why they

19:24

resonate so strongly with people in law

19:26

enforcement. They're more or less telling

19:28

any viewer in law enforcement that there's

19:30

a war coming that the patriots

19:32

will win and they need to decide if they wanna be

19:34

one of the good guys or if they wanna die as

19:36

a villain. And they you it's

19:38

a very emotional appeal that's made in

19:40

those documentaries too. And you could see

19:43

if your cop

19:45

you might identify with the people being labeled a villain and be like,

19:47

I don't wanna be a villain. Sure.

19:49

I don't know. I mean, if if it

19:51

was if I had a time machine,

19:55

right, right now, I would go back and tell

19:57

everybody to be like, do you hear

19:59

this? The cops like Alex Jones, do you

20:01

not understand what's going to happen soon?

20:03

The cops like Alex

20:05

jones. Yeah. But the problem with that is you listen

20:07

to this, and Alex is a liar.

20:09

So it's really easy

20:12

to, like, hear this and think like, actually, just blowing

20:14

smoke about cops loving his stuff.

20:16

But maybe there was more truth to that than

20:18

necessarily we're comfortable with.

20:20

Yeah. Yeah. And that's that's

20:22

you know, those documentaries that that way that

20:24

he would I don't

20:27

know what it would be like to be

20:29

a cop. then getting this stuff. because this

20:31

is because he was sending those to

20:33

cops. The the guy was starting to send those

20:35

to the cops. around

20:37

nineteen ninety nine. So this is a

20:39

decade after Pre nine eleven.

20:41

Yeah. Pre nine eleven, but

20:43

after OKC. Yeah. So

20:45

we're in that other uncertainty

20:47

zone of who the bad terrorists

20:49

are. Mhmm. So the cops have gotta be

20:51

in this weird no man's land where they're like,

20:53

oh, we wanna but they don't know who. Mhmm.

20:56

So I assume this is how it goes

20:58

bad. I it may be a

21:00

contributing factor. It could be. It could be. So

21:02

we get one more call that we're gonna listen to

21:04

here from December first. Mhmm. And this is so

21:06

when we talked about Alex's

21:09

war, and we talked about Glenn Greenwald's

21:11

interview, I said on

21:13

the episode, that Alex is a fucking His

21:15

dad was in the John Birch Society.

21:17

And, like, he you know, because in the

21:19

film, he tries to present himself as just like, oh, I

21:21

had some of these influence is

21:23

around or whatever. It's like, no. You you're in a

21:25

birch fucking household. Yeah. And I

21:28

got some pushback on Twitter

21:30

even from some

21:32

folks who have who aren't random

21:34

people. Interesting. Let's say. Uh-oh.

21:36

And so I just wanna play this just to

21:38

reiterate that Alex's dad was in the job

21:41

search. Okay. Let's talk

21:42

to Brian in Illinois. Brian, you're

21:44

on the air. How you doing, Alex?

21:47

Good. I wanted

21:48

to ask you about what your

21:50

thoughts are on the John Burch

21:53

Society. I know you said your dad was

21:55

a member. Well, I

21:56

get questions on this. Probably

21:58

once a month on air every day via email.

22:00

I think the John Burch Society puts out great

22:03

books and tapes, a great magazine.

22:06

I think they put out really good information, and I

22:08

don't think they're quite aggressive enough, but

22:10

they've done more good than I've done. I think

22:12

they have a great membership. My father

22:15

isn't a member now. He was a member in high

22:17

school and went around

22:19

giving anti communist speeches,

22:21

but he's not really politics

22:24

now. Great.

22:25

Great. Great. So another

22:28

thing that's of note in there is

22:30

that Alex thinks that

22:32

John Burch Society isn't aggressive. Too

22:34

weak. Too weak. They don't they don't say

22:36

it. They don't go hard. Right. That's

22:39

the problem. This to me is so

22:41

in line with that illusion

22:44

that people had about Alex

22:46

not being a right wing because he criticizes

22:48

not He criticizes Bush because he's too

22:51

he's a communist. Yeah. He thinks sixty six Bush

22:53

is a comic. He he he criticized

22:55

that John Burch's society -- Uh-huh. -- for

22:57

not being aggressive enough. Yes.

23:00

Yeah. That's their issue. And you know, I'm putting

23:02

together this library and I've been reading some of these

23:04

materials. Oh, they're aggressive. They're

23:06

they're insanely aggressively. T. Agro.

23:09

Jesus. Yeah. So anyway, let's put that

23:11

baby to bed. Mhmm. And

23:13

go to December second. This

23:17

episode starts. Yeah. And Alex

23:19

announces a guest. Sometimes I think you go

23:21

into the just because somebody said that something happened on the

23:23

past and you're like, oh, it fucking

23:25

did. Yeah. No. No. No. No. No. No. Fuck

23:27

yourself. I'll find it. I am

23:29

there. Right. I am in both the pastor, the

23:31

president. So Alex has a

23:33

guest that he announces on the second, and this

23:35

name will not necessarily ring out

23:38

to you. But this is a fucking huge problem.

23:41

Okay. Alright, folks. It's

23:43

Tuesday, the second of December two

23:45

thousand and three. I'm Alex Jones,

23:47

your We have a special guest for you in

23:49

the second hour documentary

23:52

filmmaker and author

23:54

Eric Huffman who has done

23:55

just an unbelievable job

23:58

exposing the mathematical and

23:59

possibilities of the frauds surrounding

24:03

September eleventh. So Eric

24:05

Hochmod wrote a book titled

24:07

Painful QUESTIONS, an analysis of the

24:09

September eleventh attack, which hasn't held

24:11

up well as time has gone on.

24:13

as is a theme with nine eleven conspiracy stuff, particularly from

24:15

this early stage. Yeah.

24:18

However, this is not what I find interesting

24:20

or troubling about Eric Hufshmid.

24:22

Mhmm. I find his aggressive antisemitism

24:24

far more important. Oh, so a

24:26

problem for his his problem is

24:29

not Agro. He's not too he's pretty agro. He's

24:31

pretty agro. Okay. Huf Schmid has a YouTube channel

24:33

where he's posted some clips of

24:35

his public access TV interviews

24:38

and also a clip from the movie a

24:40

bug's life, which he claims is

24:42

allegorical. The Jews or in his

24:44

term the Zionist are the Grasshoppers and

24:46

the non Jews are ants. Sure. His

24:48

description of the video reads, quote,

24:50

from the movie A Bug's Life, the leader of

24:52

the Grasshoppers, parenthesis Zionists,

24:54

explained what would happen if stupid

24:56

ants, parenthesis, Goyam, were to realize that

24:58

they don't have to be under the control of

25:00

the grasshoppers. For

25:03

some reason, around two thousand nine, his shifted over to

25:05

some recipes and cooking content and

25:07

then to videos of bugs. I was

25:09

sort of curious about this, but it seems

25:11

like it's not a mystery worth thing.

25:13

So it alone. He's a

25:15

big time Zionist occupied government

25:18

type of conspiracies. And that's his

25:20

underlying theory about nine

25:22

eleven. Right. I found a page

25:24

under the name Eric Huxmott on the

25:26

site Clifford, which

25:28

seemed to again, he had some

25:30

pretty offensive content on it, but I

25:32

wasn't sure use it for this

25:34

episode on the off chance that it wasn't

25:36

this guy's page. Sure. However,

25:38

I was able to satisfy my own doubts by

25:40

doing a little bit of cross referencing. For

25:42

instance, to the audio clips he's posted

25:44

on that page are about Carly

25:46

Frans, a woman who has made allegations

25:48

about being ritualistically by the basins.

25:51

Incidentally, on his own website,

25:53

huge questions dot com,

25:55

Eric routinely talked about France

25:57

and her allegations. Mhmm. Because I was

25:59

able to find overlaps like this, I'm

26:02

pretty confident that this is his audio page

26:04

actually in for sure

26:06

it is. So that means I'm gonna play this antisemitic

26:08

trash for you. Oh, no. Mike down for

26:10

this because this is gonna blow your

26:12

mind. Oh, no. If

26:15

the

26:15

Jews had been nicely behaved

26:17

people, we would

26:18

love them. It's their own fault

26:20

and we're disgusted with them.

26:47

This

26:55

song

26:55

is over five minutes long, but I think

26:57

you get the idea there. I that

27:00

sounds like it's from the fucking

27:02

firefly unit. Like, you you would you would

27:04

go into space bar, and

27:06

they they would be playing this propaganda

27:08

theme song while you were,

27:10

like, fucking, this is crazy. Yay.

27:12

With Within on or

27:14

a minute. He's throwing

27:17

in some blood libel. Saying that

27:19

if Jews were better behaved, everyone wouldn't

27:21

hate them. Man, it's just awful.

27:23

That is so fucked up. Mhmm.

27:26

I feel like there is there

27:28

is a a man.

27:30

Who made did

27:32

he did he do that himself? I suspect

27:34

did, because that's a voice that's talking at the beginning

27:36

is him. Yeah. That's him. And it

27:39

continues throughout the song. Because of that, I

27:41

wanted to just include a few more

27:43

things that he says in this song. that I

27:45

think border on calling for

27:47

genocide. And here's

27:49

here's the next clip.

27:50

The Jews are getting away with a lot of

27:52

eyes partly because most people can't believe that

27:54

a creature someone would perceive in such

27:56

a manner. Maybe they're not the

27:59

same type of movement

27:59

as the rest of us. The Jews claim to

28:02

be a different

28:03

race, and they may be correct.

28:05

So here we have

28:05

a suggestion that Jewish people aren't human,

28:08

that's not good, but

28:11

Jordan, it

28:11

gets worse. The pattern I see

28:14

all throughout history is that every

28:16

society treated Jews with

28:18

decency and respect. But after a

28:20

while, that society got tired of the

28:22

abuse, lies, crime,

28:24

murders, and other horrible being hurt. Then that

28:27

society threw them out, and

28:29

the society that accepts them,

28:31

created them with decency, and

28:33

that's a while, they also got tired of these Jews.

28:35

And look at the behavior of Jews doing

28:37

the twentieth inch, it's the same

28:40

pattern. For example, both

28:42

the Germans treated the Jews with

28:44

decency and respect, but the

28:46

Jews decided to abuse the

28:48

Germans. Alright. So

28:51

go ahead and

28:53

check off that

28:53

box that's marked claiming the Holocaust

28:56

was the Jews fault. Yep. Yep.

28:58

covering a lot of bases here -- Hushman. --

29:00

III you know, I saw

29:02

the movie clockwork orange way too

29:04

young. Mhmm. I was, like, eight

29:06

when I saw it because it was an accidental thing

29:10

that was on TV late at night for

29:12

some reason. And,

29:14

you know, that scene where he's got

29:16

the Bates Holvin playing where he's got the

29:18

horrific images and he's got the eyes. Yeah. Yeah.

29:20

You know, I've always been like, oh, that's horrific. I can't

29:23

imagine what that would feel like. kind of like with this

29:25

podcast. This is exactly that.

29:27

What you just played for me I

29:29

finally am like, oh, I got clockwork orange. Yeah. It

29:31

it legitimately This laptop is

29:33

too far away for you to hit pause

29:35

on it. Absolutely. I

29:38

my cords would rip out. We'd have to start

29:40

all over. I mean, this is just

29:43

bad. This is horrendous.

29:45

Yeah. And so we have get to the

29:47

crescendo though. So here is the here's the last

29:49

clip of his song. Let's

29:51

imagine what the twentieth century

29:53

might have been line, and the Jews have instigated all

29:55

of these wars and terrorist attacks.

29:58

Let's imagine the world without

30:00

these disgusting stuff. So

30:03

Hovshimid is actually suggesting that a world without

30:05

Jews would be a better world. And essentially,

30:07

he's making an argument in favor

30:10

of determination. This is one of the most blunt

30:12

pieces of content I've seen one of

30:14

Alex's guests produce, and the fact that

30:16

it's delivered with a shitty techno

30:18

song just makes things a

30:20

little bit less stowage.

30:24

DJ Van Arkeen. Oh my

30:26

god. No. No. No. No. I

30:28

I even regret bringing up his name. I don't

30:30

say his name. Sorry. Yeah.

30:33

So anyway, that's the guy

30:35

who Alex has on his show to talk about nine

30:38

eleven. Right. You may have noticed that

30:40

the line nine eleven's just

30:42

the start is in that

30:44

really diemetic song, so this seems like a really bad

30:46

booking on Alex's part. Unless he's trying

30:48

to do a Nazi show, and in that case, this

30:50

is a great call. Good booking. Well,

30:53

see, The thing about Michael Savage Mhmm. -- is it

30:55

was all the thoughtless Nazis. Alex

30:57

is going for the thoughtful Nazi.

30:59

Right. They're the Nazis that are,

31:01

like, I'm gonna hold the door open for

31:03

you. That kind of Nazi, you know? Also,

31:05

this episode is in December two thousand three.

31:07

And by as early as two thousand seven,

31:09

Hoff Schmitt had turned on Alex and decided that

31:11

he was working for the Jewish cabal. Sure.

31:13

So in addition to being an offensive

31:15

and meritless guest, this is

31:17

also something Alex should look back on with

31:20

personal embarrassment. Here he is

31:22

elevating the stature of a lunatic

31:24

bigot who buy his own devices broadly

31:26

tops out at about being interviewed on

31:28

public access, and then he's

31:30

giving him credibility that he

31:32

will just be attacked with later. when

31:34

Erica Schmidt finds out that

31:36

Alex's wife is Jewish. Yeah.

31:38

So Great. Man

31:41

man man man -- Mhmm.

31:43

-- I just just me.

31:45

I think that once

31:47

you've thought your way into being,

31:50

like, Oh, see, it would be better

31:52

if there just weren't any of those. You're

31:54

in a bad place. Totally. You're in a

31:56

bad place. Totally. Except if you're talking about

31:58

Christmas pudding, That is a good

31:59

point, but you unfortunately have

32:02

one. Yeah. Well, we can't

32:04

always. So, you know, I

32:06

think that there's a lot of people

32:08

who are under the notion that

32:10

Alex's show in the past used to

32:12

not be as extreme as it may

32:14

as it may be now or something. And

32:16

I think it's an easy perception to

32:18

have because there's a story

32:20

that's written about Alex's past. And

32:23

it's a it's a story that the

32:25

old many people generally who have any

32:27

awareness of what a show was like are people

32:29

who love Alex and aren't going to

32:32

necessarily push back on the narrative. Right.

32:34

And also because

32:37

I don't know. Maybe Eric Hoffshmit knows

32:39

what he's doing. He doesn't out about

32:41

the Jews on Alex's show. It's a

32:43

wise move on. And so there's a

32:45

crypto element to the conversation

32:47

that they're having about nine eleven.

32:50

And if you just listen to this uncritically,

32:53

then you'd just be like, oh, this guy thinks that

32:55

the buildings are blown up

32:57

or what whatever. Yeah. When reality, what Alex is

32:59

doing is mainstreaming, elevating,

33:02

and normalizing somebody

33:04

who's essentially blamed

33:07

mean Jewish people four nine

33:09

eleven. And on

33:11

the back of that, rationalizing

33:13

a an argument for

33:16

extermination delay averted techno song.

33:18

Yeah. So I think that this show is

33:20

about as bad as it can get really in the

33:22

past. Yeah. Yeah. It

33:24

is it is there's

33:26

no way that he can't not know that

33:28

he's got massive anti Semitic beliefs.

33:30

Well, I mean, let's you know, let's let's

33:32

tease that out. Yeah. Right? Is it

33:34

possible? No. Maybe. That

33:37

that he doesn't have that okay. Maybe

33:39

it's possible it's possible Alex doesn't know

33:41

that he wants to exterminate the

33:44

Jews. Now let's let's let's

33:46

explore the possibility that Alex

33:48

actually doesn't even know that this

33:50

guy has deeply anti Semitic views. Okay. So

33:52

And that's that reveal. It reveals

33:55

a complete abdication of

33:57

responsibility to vet your guests. There

33:59

you go. best. That's what we

34:01

have. Yep. At best,

34:03

Alex is platforming

34:06

and, I mean,

34:08

quite frankly, Advocating

34:10

people support -- A Nazi. --

34:12

because he didn't wanna do his job and

34:14

figure out who he's talking to. Right. And that's

34:16

probably bad. Yeah. I mean, it's bad. It's

34:19

probably bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible. No. That's

34:21

why that's why it's so ridiculous because the first thought

34:23

I had was like, oh, that's

34:25

why you vet your guests. And then the problem

34:28

was whether or not they

34:30

vetted him or not

34:32

still could have gone

34:34

either direction. know, they could have vetted him

34:36

and been like, hey, so long as you don't say the Jew stuff, we'll use

34:38

you on our nine eleven episode for

34:40

sure. Mhmm. Or they could have not

34:43

veterative and been like, well, let's just hope

34:45

he doesn't reveal that he's a complete

34:47

and total Nazi. You know? But

34:50

yeah. III mean, even as

34:52

somebody who, you know, is an expert in Alex Jones and has

34:54

listened to all this shit. I

34:56

can't really say for sure.

35:00

Right. Like, I think

35:02

the laziness argument is

35:04

more compelling. Well, you know, Tucker

35:06

vetted Kanye, that's for sure. After

35:08

the fact Wow. Wow. Wow. Exactly. Something

35:12

along those lines. Yeah. Yeah. III

35:15

think that Addis are certain

35:17

point, the argument for that

35:20

laziness and naivety or

35:22

whatever kind of is

35:24

more difficult to support given

35:26

the the the trends and the --

35:28

Yeah. -- aggressive support

35:30

of Hutton Gibson

35:32

and claiming the JBS didn't go far

35:34

enough There's some problems. I I think that Huffman would

35:36

agree that the JBS didn't go far enough.

35:38

I think well, actually, he

35:42

thinks that the JBS is partially run by the Jewish cabal,

35:44

and they're they're in

35:46

on it. Along with Alex Jones and Wednesday,

35:48

Harply, and

35:50

Basically, ever Well, then he's just lonely. And he's

35:52

watching his that's why he's posted all of

35:54

his book videos on YouTube now. We're gonna

35:56

talk about his loneliness. upload.

35:59

Yeah. So Alex intros

36:02

of Schmidt. And, you know,

36:04

I it's bad.

36:06

Erica. Hovshman a software computer programmer.

36:09

He joins us, author,

36:12

filmmaker, stepping up to

36:14

the

36:14

plate waking

36:16

up a lot of people in the waking them up

36:19

to what? Yeah. That is

36:22

an important

36:24

question. big

36:26

question. To how nazism is bad. That's

36:28

what he's waking people up to. No. I don't

36:30

I don't think he is. I don't think so either. Yeah.

36:32

Yep. I think he's going on

36:34

pub access shows and now getting

36:37

the call up to the big

36:39

leagues with Alex. And

36:42

inevitably, the

36:44

the waking up. See, waking up is is this

36:46

it's seen as this universal good

36:49

or whatever. Sure. And, unfortunately,

36:52

it's not the

36:55

waking up metaphor isn't good.

36:57

Mhmm. It's not actually

36:59

waking up. No. shifting your perspective

37:02

or something. And, you know,

37:04

what Alex is saying is this guy is waking

37:06

people up what he's actually

37:08

saying is he's shifting

37:10

people's point of reference. Right.

37:12

And that can be a good or a bad

37:14

thing. And Alex wants The presentation be

37:16

he's shifting people's perceptions about nine

37:18

eleven being an inside job. Right.

37:20

But in reality, if you

37:23

explore Eric Hoffshmet, and you go

37:25

to his website and you, you know, take take

37:28

it as material, your perspective

37:30

is going to be attempted to be

37:32

shifted to blaming Jews for

37:34

everything. Yeah. Yeah. You

37:36

know, it is including his own

37:38

loneliness, which he'll get to. Right. Right. Right.

37:40

Right. Right. It what it reminds me of now, like,

37:42

the the way that you've

37:44

just described baking up is in this context reminds me

37:46

so much of the Sandman

37:48

comics. At one point, he his

37:50

ironic punishment is the guy's

37:52

an eternal he's eternally

37:54

waking. Mhmm. So he's always living that

37:56

nightmare where you wake up from the dream and

37:58

you're like, oh, it was just a dream. Mhmm. And then it's a

38:00

nightmare and then you wake up from the dream.

38:02

And that is kind of what they're experiencing there.

38:04

You're always being woken up

38:06

again to this new thing. Now you're

38:08

woken up to this new thing that you need to be

38:10

terrified to get blank pill. Totally.

38:12

You were killed that pill. You were

38:14

awake to nine eleven, but now you

38:16

need to be awake to this. Now you need to be

38:18

awake like it's a never ending nightmare. Yeah.

38:20

And I think something that's so

38:22

easily exploitable by folks

38:24

like Alex and and and folks in this

38:26

world because, you know, the

38:28

tendency to believe in conspiracy theory freeze,

38:31

it really does build upon itself.

38:33

Right. Believing in one thing makes

38:35

you more likely to believe in

38:38

another than another. And so when when it's like,

38:40

let me reveal another thing to you.

38:42

That's the that's the market.

38:45

Yeah. And part of that feedback is the excitement you get

38:48

from waking up again. God's so exciting.

38:50

Oh, I'm I'm oh, I found it all, you

38:52

know, like, all all over again.

38:54

Instead, you're you're just

38:56

consigning yourself to doing it all again the next

38:58

day -- Mhmm. -- forever and ever until

39:00

you die. Yep. So

39:02

Hushmeat comes in and I don't think I

39:04

don't think I'm really that interested in

39:07

his perspective quite even about nine eleven. What about Techno You're in

39:09

the book on nine eleven and the cover up

39:12

there and made one of the best films

39:13

out there

39:16

on on the subject that's unlocking a lot of minds and put a lot of

39:18

new developments, and we wanted to have him I've

39:20

only had him on the show once before. That was

39:22

about a year ago. We've got Eric now

39:26

back up with us, Eric Hirschman, for those that just joined

39:28

us or never heard you before, tell folks

39:30

how you got involved in this and who you are,

39:32

what you

39:34

do, and what you put together? Actually,

39:36

I got into it

39:36

in a roundabout kinda way because

39:39

I just developed software for a

39:41

living. And after the after

39:43

the hours went down. I

39:45

was noticing on the Internet, there's a lot of people

39:47

that were called conspiracy nuts

39:50

talking about how we

39:52

shouldn't try this government of ours, something funny

39:54

about this attack. And, you know, I

39:56

was like most people, I wasn't paying that much

39:58

attention. I was dismissing them as

39:59

nuts. dismissing them as nuts But

40:02

eventually, they got through to me, you know, the constant complaining.

40:04

And I look on I so I started looking

40:07

closely at what happened on that

40:09

event and that's when

40:11

it occurred to me that those towers looked like they were blown

40:14

up. Building seven looks like it had

40:16

explosives in it also.

40:18

And I was thinking so I my

40:20

first first reaction was to

40:22

tell people about it. You know, I put some documents

40:24

on the Internet saying it looks like these

40:26

towers were blown up.

40:28

okay so Okay. So Nine

40:30

eleven happens. Yep. And he's not that interested. Not

40:32

not paying that much attention. That's a big

40:34

deal. Right. What are you gonna do? Okay.

40:36

Just nine eleven life. Alright.

40:40

that's New York. Right. Right. But when they started calling

40:42

people weird -- Right. -- that's when

40:44

I was, like, I gotta get to the bottom of

40:46

this. Ex the exact Yeah.

40:48

You know, I mean, a giant world changing terrorist attack happens and

40:51

look, I kinda do laundry. Like, I

40:53

got brains going on. Right. Right. I'm not

40:55

gonna think about that and go well,

40:57

the future of everything is irrevocably

41:00

changed for the worse now. Look, I

41:02

could I could pay attention to this, but I've got

41:04

antisemitic techno

41:06

I can't figure out

41:09

this beats. Yeah. So I I don't

41:11

know. I don't I don't think I'm

41:13

I'm not impressed by his back

41:15

story. No. No. No. No. No.

41:17

So Alex wants Eric to

41:19

really like, explain what happened here.

41:22

So let's just say I'm an average

41:23

guy on the street. You've got the film. You've got the

41:25

book. You're gonna try to explain this

41:27

to me. What happened? Tell me. Well,

41:30

it looks like

41:30

when you look at how these towers first

41:33

of all, when the planes hit the

41:36

towers, you cannot even see in the video

41:38

that the I mean, there was news

41:40

cameras all around it, and those towers

41:42

didn't hardly

41:44

move. They swallowed those planes up as if they were

41:46

nothing, like a bee had run into

41:48

them, which shows how strong those

41:50

towers were to swallow a plane up at

41:52

that high a

41:54

speed without really shaking or

41:56

wobbling or cracking. So

41:58

the plane the plane Yeah. No cracks did

42:00

not damage the building all that

42:02

much. They just Nope. The planes

42:04

hit. The the towers

42:06

shook a little bit. They heard the people

42:08

inside saying they felt the towers

42:10

sway, but it was like a strong

42:12

winter storm. And then the

42:14

tower

42:14

stood back up again and

42:16

and then settled down, and it stood

42:18

there perfectly motionless. This is

42:20

really dumb. But it makes sense that this would be Eric's

42:22

entry point into explaining how nine eleven was

42:25

an inside job. Buildings like the twin

42:27

towers are designed to sway because

42:29

of the wind. Otherwise, it'd

42:31

be very dangerous. Yeah. And you would never even

42:34

notice that wobble, even if it goes like

42:36

six inches. You would notice it if

42:38

you were inside the

42:40

building can suddenly feel the sway, but you wouldn't notice it just

42:42

watching a video. I used to

42:44

work in Sears Tower,

42:48

Willis Tower, downtown, and

42:50

it sucked, like, it was really uncomfortable --

42:52

Yeah. -- because I wasn't used to I mean,

42:54

I was a temp. So, like, it was I I was

42:56

only there a short period of time. I never got to

42:58

adjust to the feelings. Yeah. Yeah. And

43:01

it really freaked me out.

43:03

But if you were just to look at

43:05

Willis Tower, you'd never see it moving. Yeah. Nobody's like, oh, look

43:07

at the way that Willis is shaking today.

43:09

No. They're not giant buildings. And the kind

43:11

of distance building can

43:13

buckle is not enough for you to detect. It

43:16

feels like you should be able to

43:18

though. So Eric's able to use this as like an

43:20

introductory thing to throw out to blow

43:22

some minds. despite it not really

43:24

proving anything. It's just it's

43:26

it's classic conspiracy drivel.

43:28

Yeah. I've the

43:30

the the gulf between what seems like it

43:33

could be and should be true.

43:35

And what is, is so

43:37

large that there's so many

43:39

places where it's like, But you don't

43:41

I you can't understand how everything works. You

43:43

just can't. Yeah. I can. I can't

43:45

understand how giant

43:48

buildings work. I can do my best. What if I I don't. You one

43:50

block on another block. I played Jengai, and

43:52

I'm not good at it. Well, that's more

43:54

about taking down the Right.

43:58

So Hushmate is an incredibly boring guest. He

44:00

and Alex just have an interview that dances around

44:02

the general most common talking points

44:04

around nine eleven conspiracy theories, and

44:08

it sucks. Naturally, they don't get into any of Eric's

44:10

almost comical hatred of Jewish people

44:12

because Alex isn't trying to give the

44:14

audience an accurate picture serve the people

44:17

he's presenting as experts that they should support. That would make it

44:19

too clear to them what they're

44:21

involved in. Eric Huffman sucks,

44:23

and I've gone through

44:25

a lot of his website to get a better

44:27

sense of what he's all about. Everything is about the Jews. There's

44:29

a lot of holocaust denial in the mix

44:32

too. There's

44:34

one article that I thought might be interesting a

44:36

break from the rampant anti Semitism.

44:38

Right. because it was an interpretation

44:42

of Katy Perry's video for California girls. So

44:45

it's about how Katy Perry made

44:47

it a semitic video that

44:49

he had before. your girls

44:52

back. Unbelievable. Oh, what

44:54

a z duke spooking is

44:56

on top there? What did Paz have

44:58

to say about Katy Perry. So admittedly, that video is a clumsy

45:00

take on Candy Land that's intentionally

45:02

a bit campy in its over

45:06

sexuality. That's true. It's a little bit much.

45:08

Naturally, Eric believes that it's

45:10

an allegory for how the Jews control pop

45:13

stars as sex slaves. It's very boring and

45:15

it only includes a surface layer

45:18

analysis of my favorite lyric of Snoop

45:20

Dog's entire career. Bikinis,

45:23

zucchinis, martinis, noinis, just a

45:25

king and his queenie. What a

45:27

great life? That's that's

45:30

just not bucchinis, zucchinis, martinis,

45:32

no meaning. I will tell

45:34

you this. That would not go

45:37

unappreciated by Lord Byron. he

45:39

would he would very much have enjoyed that.

45:42

Yes. I also love to imagine

45:44

this party that is throwing.

45:46

People tell you what? Lord Byron

45:48

would have it one of those parties. Okay. So here here we zucchinis

45:50

or blunts -- Yeah. -- like it's weed. Yeah. It's

45:52

fine. So you got blunts.

45:56

Bucchinis. Yep. And the drink of choice

45:58

is a Martini. Martini? Not a great party drink. What's that gonna be at?

46:00

What is it gonna be at Negroni?

46:02

Come on. would

46:04

like a my tie. You would like a my tie on the beach, the rhymes

46:06

scheme? No, of course not. But a martini on

46:08

the beach sounds terrible. That does sound

46:11

terrible. What? Oh, straight gin and vermouth. Yeah. That's not

46:13

good. Great. That's not good. But no

46:16

weenies? Fine. That's fine. Yeah. No. You don't want you

46:18

don't want any

46:20

weenies. Yeah. apparently, this is a

46:22

description of an orgy according to Eric,

46:24

which is that's a snooze. Who cares?

46:26

Yeah. There's an entire saga about

46:28

this well who apparently has been emailing Eric and wanting to marry

46:30

him, but he breaks off contact with

46:32

her out of fear that she might be a

46:34

secret Jewish agent or

46:36

possibly mentally ill. Sure. He suspects I'm

46:38

sorry. He is afraid that

46:40

she might be mentally ill.

46:42

He suspects and

46:44

speculates about how this could be a setup.

46:46

Quote, one of the thoughts that passed through my

46:48

mind is that Peggy could be used in a

46:50

manner similar to Mark

46:52

Chapman. Specific the Jews may

46:54

be pushing for her to meet with me and then the

46:56

Jews would be able to kill both of us and make

46:58

it appear as a murder and

47:00

suicide by a mentally ill woman. Mhmm. So this is a

47:02

he's lonely, like I said. Yeah.

47:04

He tries to reassure himself, but

47:06

he just can't quite get there. Quote,

47:09

Piggy sent me her photo and she doesn't look

47:11

Jewish to me, but I don't think it's possible

47:13

to identify every Jews

47:16

simply by the way they look. only some of them

47:18

fit the stereotype. Man are

47:20

suckers for pretty women, but a female Jew

47:22

is just as dangerous as a

47:24

female shark. They are not our

47:26

friends. Don't be fooled by their appearance.

47:28

Control your stupid animal like emotions

47:30

and look at the evidence. Look through history and notice

47:32

how the Jews have been treating us for thousands

47:34

of years. They have never been anybody's

47:36

friend. Oh,

47:37

so this is the guy

47:39

they based seven on.

47:41

Disgusting stuff. That has

47:43

gotta

47:43

be the journals. That has to

47:45

be the diaries of a

47:47

fucking serial kill. It's it's really That is

47:50

insane fucking thing, dude.

47:52

Yikes. So I was hunting high and low for an

47:54

article about

47:56

something that didn't trace back to a Jewish conspiracy theory.

47:58

There's a lot of stuff on this site and

48:00

almost all of it is just

48:02

somehow woven back to a

48:04

complaint about Jews. Now,

48:06

like even like this whole thing about this

48:08

woman -- Yeah. -- it it goes back to his

48:10

anti Semitism. No. Even even

48:12

rampant anti Semites at this

48:14

point have to be like, hey, dude, we think you just have a problem.

48:16

chill. Yeah. We're it's not the Jews that

48:18

are causing your problems. Like, maybe

48:20

we think

48:22

it's the Jews fault for everything, but not for you, buddy. So

48:24

I was able to find one article. Uh-huh.

48:26

One. And I will

48:27

now read you

48:28

some passage. Okay. Okay. Quote.

48:32

I refrain from giving good reviews to products because I've only

48:34

used a few of the thousands of products on

48:36

the market. But Is this where you got

48:39

Shaver? No. Oh. But I recently

48:41

tried some underwear that is so

48:43

much more comfortable than everything I've had in my

48:45

life that I thought I would mention

48:47

in case some of you have been irritated by your

48:49

underwear also. Put in code anti

48:52

semite at b undy's dot

48:54

com. It is a pouch style made

48:56

by David This underwear

49:00

is extremely comfortable for

49:02

standing, sitting, or walking. But if you

49:04

have to do a lot of movements of your pelvic area such as crawling around

49:07

an attic or fixing plumbing problems

49:09

or doing exercise, The

49:11

extreme movements can cause your penis to be pulled

49:14

out of the pouch, but it remains

49:16

comfortable even when

49:18

that happens.

49:19

How do you feel? I

49:22

just put it back

49:24

in, man. Come on. What? Put

49:26

it back in. Put it back in.

49:28

Don't put that in a review. Put it back in before you put in a

49:30

review. Quote, okay? Update February first

49:33

twenty twenty. There's an

49:35

update Yep. tried their shorter version and

49:37

their bikini version. I do

49:40

not like the bikini

49:42

version because after moving around a the

49:44

material moves a slight bit off my scrotum,

49:46

allowing it to touch the skin of

49:48

my leg. I am

49:50

just I just

49:53

you know, people

49:55

are more than just one thing. Mhmm.

49:57

I think that's what we're learning. He

49:59

expands on this underwear for what seems like

50:01

the length of Novella. It does seem to be going

50:03

a while. Quote, unfortunately modern societies have such a problem

50:06

with sex crimes and sexual

50:08

inhibition that these -- It's an

50:10

unfair issue. of the avoid

50:12

words such as testicles and penis.

50:14

Seriously, I just ask you to Use words

50:16

like the boys. This is not

50:20

small. What makes this underwear so nice is that it does

50:22

what I what I wondered was possible

50:24

in a document that I posted almost

50:26

eight years ago, which is

50:30

to provide a pouch for our testicles. This

50:32

underwear goes even further and provides a

50:34

pouch for our penis.

50:36

That's that's That

50:39

also when it says eight years ago, there's a

50:41

hyperlink, and he did speculate about this

50:43

eight years prior. Yep. Now, man.

50:45

Pretty amazing. Wow. THERE

50:47

ARE NOT A BUNCH OF PRODUCT REVIEWS ON THIS SITE AND AS

50:50

FAR AS I CAN TELL, THIS IS THE ONLY

50:52

ONE. HE FOUND SOME GREAT UNDERWHERE, SO

50:54

HE'S Gotta TALK ABOUT IT at length on

50:56

his ridiculously anti semitic

50:58

conspiracy theory site. What a great bit of

51:00

free advertising for David Archie

51:02

brand underwear? They've got to

51:04

be thrilled. You

51:06

see that huge. You just I

51:08

I mean, what am I supposed to do

51:10

with the existence of all of

51:12

that? It's simultaneous.

51:14

I don't know. How do you think it feels to me? I don't know. I

51:16

don't know. Hoke it around the stupid lips. I don't

51:18

know. It's full of hate, and then there's a

51:20

fucking underwear reviewer. It can play

51:22

about the bikini ones. I don't know. But if he

51:25

doesn't like the bikini style, he can't come to

51:27

Snoop Dog's Party. That is true. --

51:29

the bikini there is betweeninis

51:33

orinis? Noinis. Which means

51:35

that those underwear wear you're weenie pops

51:37

out. Get them out of hair. I

51:39

think that's a metaphorical Weenie in this snoop song. I

51:41

think he said literal Weenie in this

51:43

song. I wish he had a

51:45

breakdown of all of Katie

51:48

Perry's videos, like, roar.

51:50

Last Friday night. See, the problem

51:52

with this is that you can't be a

51:54

rampant vicious anti semite and then do a one off product review. You

51:57

know, that's gotta be, like, a new

51:59

weekly segment for Yeah.

52:02

I was curious about something about the trial and hate. Now

52:04

it's like, oh, this bicycle,

52:06

it doesn't have a doesn't

52:10

switch gears. No gear change. Solid

52:12

ride. But the city's feet stuck to

52:14

my scrotum. That would they

52:16

would all be so scrotum based.

52:19

everything would be about in relation to

52:21

where his penis or his scrotum

52:23

is. So he goes on and on

52:25

about his various thoughts about this

52:28

underwear. Then for reasons that escape me

52:30

-- Mhmm. -- it ends with this section which I

52:32

will read to you in full.

52:34

Okay. Okay. Quote. Since this document

52:36

is probably going to be considered obscene

52:38

by some people, I may as well mention

52:40

another issue that adults ought to be discussing

52:42

without hysteria. Oh my god.

52:44

Specifically, some men believe that

52:46

having a large floppy penis makes

52:48

them better than the men who have

52:50

small penis.

52:51

Holy

52:53

shit. You are not telling me

52:55

that this eventually goes on a

52:57

small penis rat.

53:00

Oh, white. Some men believe

53:02

that having a large floppy penis makes them

53:04

better than the men who have smaller penises or

53:06

who have, quote, accordion type penis

53:08

that dresses to a smaller size. No.

53:11

No. No. No. Lowers and showers. I don't wanna talk

53:14

about it. Some people have

53:16

been so convinced of this that they're

53:18

stretching their penis to make

53:20

it such as Roberto Cabrera and businesses are

53:22

offering products for penis stretching.

53:24

And one of the questions on the Amazon

53:26

site that sells the David

53:28

Archie Under Air is from a man who's

53:30

hoping that the underwear will make his penis look larger. The children who grew

53:32

up in the USA could pick up the

53:34

edits to that have

53:36

giant penises and that women should

53:38

have giant breasts or how many people

53:40

actually want such features in their

53:44

spouse. Furthermore, Are those people, quote,

53:46

normal? Or are they mentally ill? Do, quote,

53:48

normal women actually care whether

53:50

a man has a large floppy penis?

53:54

You know, as a writer, I will tell you

53:56

this. Whenever you have certain little phrases -- Mhmm. --

53:59

that can kinda gear us towards what

54:01

your point of view perspective

54:04

that you're bringing in is, if you have repeated large

54:06

floppy penis, that is something that you

54:08

view as a negative, my friend. Do

54:11

do quote, NORMAL WOMEN ACTUALLY CARE WHETHER A MAN HAS

54:13

A LARGE FLOPPY PEENOUS. I REALIZE THAT

54:16

WOMEN WANT ARRECT PEENACES TO BE

54:18

A CERTAIN SIZE AND SHAPE,

54:20

BUT HOW many women

54:22

care how long a penis is when it's

54:24

limp. That's just fact. How many

54:26

women even want to look at a

54:28

man's limp penis. day. Who is

54:30

this? Chris Rock. My opinion

54:32

is that giant floppy penises are

54:34

an

54:36

annoyance. My

54:41

penis will

54:46

compress like

54:48

in a cordion when it's cold. Yeah. And I think that it is much

54:50

more comfortable compared to when it is

54:52

warm and flopping around. Although this

54:54

David Archie underwear is making that

54:56

flopping prop them

54:58

disappear. So that's the end of his his

55:00

underwear review. Oh,

55:02

god. Oh, my god. Right.

55:04

So, I mean, there's a survey

55:06

app lady to this that I I feel

55:09

like sometimes I want to

55:11

be able to allow people who are listening

55:13

to our show to get a get a

55:15

glimpse of. Yeah. that you're listening to Alex's show,

55:17

he introduces a guest. You look into them a

55:19

little bit. You find this

55:22

horrific bordering on exterminationism

55:24

type approach towards Jewish

55:27

people. Yeah. Some of it

55:29

masked in a pretend opposition

55:32

designism -- Sure. -- some of it

55:34

just masked in a

55:36

pseudo scientific bullshit. Yeah.

55:38

Right. And, you know, that is

55:41

unacceptable on on a hundred

55:44

different levels. Yeah. Then you

55:46

poke around a little bit more in the site and you find

55:48

this ridiculous get, like, the

55:50

Katie Perry video review being

55:52

contextualized as Jewish

55:54

people having pop star sex slaves --

55:56

Yeah. Yeah. -- whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Then you go a

55:58

little bit further and you find this nonsense. And

56:00

you're like, this is I just don't know what to

56:03

do. Yeah. Yeah. How

56:05

do I not share this? Is what I'm saying?

56:08

Yeah.

56:08

It is oh, man.

56:11

because because

56:13

hey hate is

56:14

what this guy's built his life

56:16

around. Like, his entire life is

56:19

geared around hate. period. And and his his focus

56:22

of it is is on

56:24

Jewish people for whatever

56:26

reason. Mhmm. You

56:28

know, it's obviously for anything that makes any sense.

56:30

because then you would have to have an argument that it

56:32

makes sense. But I think Which it does. Well, I

56:34

think that the way you can kind

56:36

of make a little bit of sense

56:38

of it is that so many

56:40

historical conspiracy theories have

56:42

led downhill towards antisemitism. Sure. Sure. And

56:44

so if you are getting into a hateful

56:46

conspiratorial mind view and you start

56:48

exploring a ton of things. Odds

56:50

are you will encounter material that

56:52

takes you down that road. Right. So

56:54

I think it's more likely to lead to that than to lead to other

56:56

conclusions. Right. Right. Right. Right. And that's the only way

56:58

I can make sense of it. But in terms of

57:01

the ideas making sense, obviously. Right. Right. Right. That

57:04

doesn't. Of course. But but

57:06

it is it is

57:08

in AAA

57:11

picture not of somebody with, like, some

57:13

sort of mastermindy hate that

57:15

is is built around,

57:17

like, trying to achieve

57:19

something or or exploit something or anything along those lines.

57:21

And it really does feel like this is a

57:24

person who is isolated

57:26

-- Yeah. -- in I I

57:28

mean, just insane.

57:30

In

57:31

need in need

57:34

of so many things. Oh.

57:36

You know, So so, like, his hate is fucked up, and it's also,

57:38

like, fucked up. Yeah. I I think that a

57:40

number of hints you could get from his

57:42

website are

57:44

definitely showing

57:46

some needs not being met -- Yeah. -- for sure. Yeah. In

57:48

no way, does that excuse the

57:50

direction that it goes to? No. No.

57:52

No. Of course. But I think that also

57:56

this big floppy penis underwear review. It

57:58

highlights another thing that I think is

58:00

is

58:02

crucial that You

58:04

start to see. And that is, like, with

58:06

Alex, he's a fucking monster who puts

58:08

out a hateful,

58:10

bigoted material oftentimes crypto in nature,

58:12

sometimes hiding behind other

58:14

rationales for things. Mhmm. But

58:16

he also

58:18

sings along with the highway men. Right. And he also talks over

58:20

you belong to the city, and

58:23

he also likes sci fi

58:25

to an unhealthy extent.

58:28

Like, there's other facets of his personality. Michael

58:30

Savage came up earlier, and I used to listen to

58:32

a ton of Michael Savage's show,

58:34

and he is a horrific nigga

58:36

as well. but

58:38

sometimes he tells a story and he

58:40

can weave an amazing yarn about old

58:42

time San Francisco eatery. Sure.

58:44

And stuff like that. Like, there

58:47

are other facets of these people's

58:49

personalities that sometimes are are

58:52

like this is

58:54

bizarre. Bigget people aren't only a big hit. Sure. And

58:56

that is also part of what makes

58:58

them it

59:00

makes some people be distracted

59:02

from their bigotry. Right.

59:04

Right. I think I think I'm

59:06

I'm I mean, maybe not

59:08

in the case of this underwear. No.

59:10

No. No. not distracted. I'm

59:12

I'm I'm absolutely not trying to excuse this

59:14

hate or provide an explanation for it. I

59:16

didn't I didn't think you were. Yeah. Yeah. Of course.

59:18

I I think I think

59:20

it's, like, with this particular situation, there

59:22

are lanes of of bigotry

59:24

that you can kind of

59:28

push people down or classify people under, you know, you have

59:30

people like Tucker who is a

59:32

virulent bigot who's smart

59:34

enough to hide just enough of it

59:37

pass who is using it for evil --

59:39

I'm getting his guests. -- and

59:41

or editing his guests. And

59:44

and and he's doing all of this in service

59:46

of money and power and all of

59:48

this shit. And this guy

59:50

is not that. You

59:51

know? No.

59:52

He's a bigot, but

59:54

he's not that. No. Something fucking

59:57

different. Well, he's somebody who has a

1:00:00

far more of a willingness

1:00:02

than Tucker

1:00:04

or Alex to just be upfront about the hate that he

1:00:06

has. Yeah. And then, simultaneously,

1:00:08

he's somebody who's, like, a

1:00:12

little bit too old

1:00:14

to experience blogging. You

1:00:16

know what? That's that's the kind of sense that

1:00:18

you get from what a number of these articles

1:00:20

is like somebody who

1:00:22

discovers that blogs exist

1:00:24

and think that everybody needs to hear

1:00:27

all their thoughts about underwear. Yeah. or,

1:00:29

like, this is going to be somehow

1:00:31

a meaningful,

1:00:32

the

1:00:33

like, is a pouch underwear? Like,

1:00:36

is that revolutionary at whatever point

1:00:38

he's writing this? not sure. I don't think

1:00:40

so. What I mean, couldn't you just wear briefs? I I don't know. I just

1:00:42

don't know. Anyway, I've never put

1:00:44

as much thought

1:00:46

into underwear as he put

1:00:48

into, I guess, the

1:00:50

words big floppy penis. I have not put

1:00:52

that much thought into underwear. Yeah. It's a

1:00:54

compound down for for this

1:00:56

fella. True. So here's one last clip of Alex. And

1:00:58

and this is this is another thing that I

1:01:00

think is important to

1:01:02

to wreck guys. It's

1:01:04

so important that you get this

1:01:06

twenty two dollar two hour video. I'll

1:01:08

show the twenty two dollar book

1:01:10

full of, I don't know, over a

1:01:12

hundred color pictures

1:01:13

and diagrams. Oh. This there's a lot

1:01:15

of research, incredible work, one into

1:01:18

this. You need to have the

1:01:20

book, and the video info wars dot com or

1:01:22

prison planet dot com. You support Eric's work. You

1:01:24

support my work. At the same time, you get a

1:01:26

powerful tool to wake your friends and

1:01:28

family up.

1:01:30

Out Alex is taking his access to his audience

1:01:32

and using it to funnel

1:01:34

monetary support to Eric --

1:01:37

Mhmm. -- and simultaneous obstantially

1:01:39

he's selling his materials, so Alex

1:01:41

is making money off getting the

1:01:44

audience to support and

1:01:46

buy Eric's materials. Yep. Now, when

1:01:48

we talk about Sandy Hook stuff, one of

1:01:51

the things that is really

1:01:53

important to consider in

1:01:56

terms of a lot of people like

1:01:58

to say, oh, he was wrong about something and then he apologized, why is it so

1:02:00

bad? But when you really look back

1:02:02

at this

1:02:04

period, And you look at the way

1:02:06

that Alex was funneling his audience to

1:02:08

support Wolfgang How big -- Mhmm.

1:02:10

-- and facilitate his ability

1:02:12

to carry out the harassment -- Yeah. -- to

1:02:15

fight the legal battles that that

1:02:17

he was in. The way

1:02:19

Alex directed and advocated for

1:02:21

his audience to give them money.

1:02:24

Yeah. And the way that

1:02:26

Alex sold their stuff on his

1:02:28

website -- Mhmm.

1:02:30

-- that is a relevant piece of this through the machine that

1:02:32

Alex has built and the

1:02:34

audience trust

1:02:38

and access that he has, he

1:02:40

has, like,

1:02:41

given extreme

1:02:44

people to money

1:02:46

that they would not have otherwise. Yep.

1:02:48

Wolfgang Helbig didn't have access to

1:02:50

a giant platform before Alex allowed

1:02:54

that. Eric Hoffshmitt was on public access interviews

1:02:56

and shit. Like, he didn't like, even Alex

1:02:58

in two thousand three, he was probably a big

1:03:00

gig for him. Yeah. And

1:03:04

so this is a

1:03:06

piece of what Alex is and

1:03:09

does. Mhmm. Without him, I

1:03:11

mean, nowadays, it's probably

1:03:14

diminished somewhat because there's so many

1:03:16

Internet based platforms that have large

1:03:18

audiences and stuff.

1:03:20

relevant period of time like this and into

1:03:22

the early two thousand tens, like

1:03:24

Alex was something that

1:03:26

was able to be a

1:03:30

monetary victory

1:03:32

for these extremists to be able

1:03:34

to be on Alex's show led

1:03:37

to, you know, probably access to a

1:03:39

lot of stuff you wouldn't have access to otherwise. Totally. And and the way that

1:03:41

it was spread

1:03:46

then when there weren't those those million different outlets

1:03:48

and million different Internet spaces for it

1:03:50

to to grow, the way that Alex

1:03:52

had built that, I mean, you can see all

1:03:54

the guys

1:03:56

that we still see around now. You know? Like, if it worked

1:03:58

for the way that that was

1:04:00

disseminated -- Mhmm.

1:04:02

-- a lot of those guys wouldn't have

1:04:04

quite the same Some people didn't have staying power, though. Well, that's

1:04:06

fair. I don't think Webster Tarpley is that big of

1:04:08

one. I'm not saying he was a kingmaker. Right.

1:04:13

Gerald Salenti is still just hosting the

1:04:15

fourth hour of Alex's show. Yeah. That's

1:04:17

true. So it didn't work out for everybody.

1:04:19

No. Anyway, we come to the end of this episode.

1:04:21

And like I said, a little bit

1:04:24

shorter, but you know what? Sometimes you end up reading a lot of an

1:04:26

asshole's blog.

1:04:28

I do think that it's

1:04:31

really important to recognize this stuff

1:04:33

though. This guest is such

1:04:35

a great illustration of

1:04:38

this sort of the

1:04:40

counterpoint to the argument that Alex's show didn't used to be so big. It

1:04:42

wasn't too, like, that stuff. No. It was

1:04:44

baked in. It was there.

1:04:46

Yep. The perception

1:04:48

of it might not have been as easily accessible

1:04:50

by a passive viewer.

1:04:52

Yeah. But it was there. Yeah. Sure. I

1:04:54

don't I don't mind that this is shorter. I

1:04:56

feel like

1:04:58

this guy has given me a lot to sit with. Like,

1:05:00

I know I just don't sit on your

1:05:02

scroll. I know our episodes done, but what

1:05:04

I'm I'm gonna be driving later just

1:05:07

going like, What the fuck? Yeah. Fuck

1:05:09

that fucking guy. Yeah. Jesus.

1:05:12

Fuck. What's it? See this. Why is he obsessed with

1:05:14

big floppy penis? this

1:05:16

is the sort of

1:05:18

unsung emotional labor that

1:05:20

you do for the podcast.

1:05:22

Is this struggling sector

1:05:24

the fact? but it's not going to

1:05:27

survive. Yeah. To to be it

1:05:29

is it is like, oh, okay.

1:05:31

Alright. I touched