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everybody! Welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan!

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the

1:04

altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex

1:06

Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan.

1:08

Dan. Jordan. I have a quick question for you, sir. What's up?

1:11

What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today, Jordan, is

1:13

today, just earlier, on

1:15

this very day, the moon

1:17

has not come back up. Wait.

1:20

What?

1:21

The sun has not set and rose. Okay,

1:23

alright. This afternoon,

1:25

I had an opportunity to speak to some

1:28

students at Colgate University. Oh, wonderful!

1:30

I went and had a nice little symposium

1:33

with them, and it was a lot of fun. It

1:36

was a treat to have the privilege of

1:39

speaking to the young, and, you

1:41

know, don't laugh at me. I'm

1:43

sorry, I'm sorry. You just said,

1:45

privilege of speaking to the young. It is nice,

1:48

though. No, I understand, I understand.

1:50

I'd be able to share some information that I have, and also

1:52

kind of get a sense of some of the things that

1:55

they're thinking about. Sure. You know, some of the people

1:57

who are studying things in these political, science-y

1:59

fields. Yeah.

2:00

They had a lot of pretty insightful

2:02

questions. It was an interesting time,

2:04

and thank the professor

2:06

for inviting me, and it was a delight. Thank those

2:09

students. That's great. Thank you all. That's

2:11

good news. Delightful time, yeah, I always enjoy that. Is it

2:13

against the rules to make any toothpaste jokes

2:16

whatsoever? Do they pounce

2:18

upon them like panthers? I'm not sure.

2:21

I mean, I assume that it's a little hacky. I

2:23

mean, obviously it's a little hacky, but that's why

2:25

you do it in the belly of the beast. It's a little

2:27

plaquey. Yeah?

2:32

Don't hold it in, you dick. All

2:36

right, I'm not gonna

2:38

listen. You got that one. I'll give you five bonus

2:40

points for that. God, you were straining

2:43

not to laugh. I was trying very hard. Brutal.

2:47

I didn't try and crack any toothpaste jokes.

2:49

No, of course. I was trying to think of something

2:51

that would be clever, and I just kind of gave

2:53

up on it. Yeah, there's no way to... I'm sure

2:56

it's already been done. I think so,

2:58

by greater comedic minds than I. I

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mean, plaquey,

3:01

that's about as good as it gets. Yeah, and

3:03

it wouldn't have worked if it hadn't been set up by

3:05

you for me to spike in your face. Right, right, right,

3:08

absolutely. So what's your bright spot? My bright spot, Dan,

3:10

is from the mailbag.

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Zipp. Zipp. We

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received from Brandon H.

3:18

These two custom-made Pez dispensers

3:21

featuring the dastardly

3:23

and disgusting head of Alex Jones. His

3:26

neck is appropriately thick. Oh, it's very

3:28

large. It's thicker than most Pez dispensers

3:30

that I've ever seen. Yeah, it's

3:33

almost the same size as this giant bulbous head,

3:35

which I think is accurate. Yeah, I'll

3:37

post a picture of this on Twitter for

3:39

folks to enjoy. It comes along with

3:41

a wizard hat. And

3:43

what's... I mean, a bright

3:45

spot, of course. These

3:47

are amazing and beautiful. Another added

3:49

bright spot on top of that is that

3:52

this person sent a tracking number.

3:54

So I didn't get an alert

3:56

on this one. I didn't know that anything was in

3:59

there until they sent a tracking number. Number then

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I went there and I asked them if we had

4:03

anything and they were like no We don't have anything

4:05

for you in the system, and I was like ah ah ah ah Excuse

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me my dear Jacuzz Exactly

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pull out the tracking number and they were like oh we

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put it in the wrong thing I was like ha ha trying

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to hide our shit totally so

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this was a victory for Truth

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for all parties justice And

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I would as the American way

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hey, how about that so it was it's

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a bright spot for sure amen

4:30

So Jordan today. We have an episode to go over indeed and

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you know that a little bit of stuff juggling

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Mm-hmm, so I decided I'm gonna

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go back to 2004. We're spending

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some time in 2004 and holy shit did I

4:42

strike pay dirt? February 10th 2004 all

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right a day that will live in info okay Not

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really all right, but there is something pretty

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fucking amazing okay episode all right.

4:53

I'm in so we'll get down to business on that

4:56

Lest I tease it way more, but

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before we do take business into

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our own hands with this episode Let's

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say hello to some new walks Jordan okay,

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so first cool and unusual punishment.

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Thank you so much You're now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy one. Thank you very much Thank you so

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much next daddy shark bah bah bah

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bah. Thank you so much. You're now policy walk I'm

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a policy one. Thank you very much. There were only four

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bah. Yeah, hey you get what you

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get yep next Congratulations

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professor Brazil. We're so happy for you.

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Thank you so much. You're now policy walk. I'm a

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policy one Thank you very much. Oh next

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Kim disciple of the fifth way to learn

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binging knowledge fight episodes Thank you so much. You're

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now policy walk.

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I'm a policy one. Thank you very much Thank you,

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and we got a text grade in the mix Jordan So thank you so much

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to all caps with an exclamation

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point at the end bread alert You're

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now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy walk. I have risen

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above My enemies I

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might quit tomorrow actually I'm just gonna take a little break

5:52

you down a little

5:55

breaky for me and Then

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we're going to come back back and

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I'm going to start the show over. But

6:03

I'm the devil. I gotta be taking it off the air. I'll be

6:05

doing all this. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Fuck

6:08

you.

6:08

Fuck you. I got plenty of words

6:11

for you, but at the end of the day, fuck

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you in your New World Order and fuck

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the horse you rode in on and all your

6:17

shit.

6:18

Maybe today should be my last broadcast. Maybe

6:20

I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. Maybe

6:24

I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never

6:26

see me again. That's really

6:28

what I want to do. I never

6:30

want to come back here again. I apologize

6:33

to the crew and the listeners yesterday that

6:35

I was legitimately having breakdowns

6:37

on air.

6:39

I'll be better tomorrow. No, you will

6:41

not. You will never be. Nope. You

6:44

shan't be. But the past is

6:46

kind of fun. This episode

6:49

is in that genre that I love. So

6:51

there's my favorite thing, of course, is a

6:54

movie review. Sure. If you find

6:56

a movie review, I'm tickled pink. Right.

6:59

However, there's a second thing that I love. That's

7:01

not hatchet throwing. No. Right.

7:04

That's more present day business. Of course.

7:05

Ambition. I've

7:07

agreed. I like to see

7:10

ambition and it usually comes

7:12

out in this form.

7:14

Welcome, my friends, to another

7:16

live edition of the Alex Jones Show.

7:18

I'm Alex Jones, your host. You

7:21

are not going to want to miss this broadcast.

7:25

We have a top level Neocon,

7:27

a

7:28

communist, a liberal, a

7:30

big government promoter in sheep's

7:32

clothing joining

7:35

us in conservative clothing schedule.

7:38

But I'm not going to say who's coming on.

7:40

So because if we do that, sometimes

7:42

they don't show up. That's

7:45

exactly what he said at the end. Coulter interview.

7:48

Right. Right. I

7:50

honestly think he wants them to quit or cancel. Yeah. Yeah.

7:54

Trying to get them to get some look all cowardly. Yeah.

7:57

He's trying to lure them into a position where they can't even stand

7:59

up to talk to me.

7:59

by insulting them quite

8:02

a bit. Now granted, he has

8:04

guests in 2004 who are

8:06

of the caliber of busyness

8:09

that they are not probably listening to the

8:11

beginning of his show, so it doesn't really

8:13

work. And I was like, okay, so the last

8:15

time he did this, it was Ann Coulter, and

8:18

it went horribly.

8:19

I was like, this is gonna be exciting, who is this? I

8:22

mean, who does he have on? Is it

8:24

Karl Rove? I, who

8:26

were the- Wolfowitz?

8:27

Who are those people

8:29

who talked on the dumb shows? You

8:31

know, there's the bald guy who's from New

8:33

Orleans, he's a political operator. Carville? Yeah,

8:36

yeah, is it Carville and the

8:38

other person who they used to argue back and forth with? No,

8:41

Hannity and Combs. Is it Hannity or

8:43

Combs? No. Oh, okay. But

8:46

it was somebody that I was shocked

8:49

was there. All right. When I saw

8:51

this, I was like,

8:52

holy shit. All right. Not because

8:54

I think that they're a celebrity

8:57

or cool or anything like that, but they're

8:59

a big name, and there are things

9:01

Alex should be asking this person about that he does

9:03

not. Oh, no. But we'll get to that here

9:06

in a bit. It's very exciting. All right.

9:09

So we've got that, and that's, like I said,

9:11

my favorite thing is when Alex has an idea

9:13

that he's gonna humiliate a guest. Sure. And

9:16

it doesn't work. No, the best is whenever

9:18

he believes that he can win

9:20

an argument so hard, that person

9:22

must slink

9:25

away. Like, listen, I don't even wanna be on

9:27

the show anymore. You've defeated me so

9:29

soundly that I must give my

9:32

congratulations to you. It's an Icarus level

9:34

of hubris. Totally. That he's manifesting.

9:37

It's just, you can tell it's not gonna

9:40

work. It's so great. The Bill Ayers

9:42

kind of thing. It's just, it's nope. Oh,

9:45

you screwed, Alex. Yeah, it's not smart.

9:48

No.

9:49

Oh, it's so good. So you have that going,

9:51

and then in this lead-up to

9:53

the 2004 election, obviously you have Carrie

9:56

and Bush. Sure. And they're both

9:58

skull and bones. Yeah.

9:59

in Skull & Bones talk. Great. In

10:02

the next segment, I'm going to play the two clips

10:04

of George W. Bush on Meet the Press

10:07

talking about Skull &

10:09

Bones and how it's so secret he can't talk about

10:11

it, and John F. Carey a few months ago

10:13

on Meet the Press with Tim C.F.R.

10:16

Russert. And by the

10:18

way, we had these video clips up yesterday linked

10:20

to some other websites, but they couldn't handle the

10:23

bandwidth as soon as we linked to them. We

10:26

crashed their servers.

10:27

And so we've grabbed the clips and

10:30

put them up ourselves at info

10:32

wars dot com.

10:34

I don't think I believe that part, but I find

10:37

it strange that he insists on calling him John

10:40

F. Carey. Yeah. But maybe it's mirroring

10:42

George W. Bush or something. I don't

10:44

know. John F. Carey also has the JFK.

10:47

Yeah. There's just, there's a lot of weirdness

10:49

to it, but he does call him that quite a bit. It's

10:51

an affectation that I feel like doesn't

10:53

mean as much as maybe he thinks it does. Or

10:55

is it just a tick, you know? It's like once you

10:57

start doing something annoying, you just keep on

11:00

doing it for fun. It

11:02

could be anything. Just maybe to be in dramatic. So

11:05

look, this cast that's coming on,

11:07

big old neo con. All right.

11:09

We've got loaded phones and I haven't even given the phone

11:11

number route and we'll get to you, but you're going to have to hold

11:14

a while because we've got a chief neo con coming

11:16

on here in a few minutes, but

11:18

you'll get a chance to talk to him. So

11:20

I guess you can bring up skull and bones to him. Oh

11:22

my God. So skull and bones is all

11:25

you got to talk about. And you are a fucking

11:27

tease. You are teasing this. Those

11:29

two clips that Alex has, uh, of

11:32

Carrie and Bush, right? They're just them

11:34

answering questions globally. Like, Hey, you were part

11:37

of a secret society. I can't talk about it. It's

11:39

yeah. And Alex is like, they

11:41

are demonic part

11:44

of a Satan worshiping organization.

11:46

Sure. Buddy, whatever. I mean,

11:48

what would that be? That would be almost

11:50

a quadruple bluff at that point. For,

11:53

for Carrie to, for Bush and Carrie

11:55

to actually be in a secret satanic organization.

11:58

We would have to be through four levels.

11:59

of bluff and counter bluff

12:02

in order for that to work. Yeah,

12:05

and if this was as

12:07

nefarious as someone like Alex

12:09

wants to believe, I find it difficult to imagine

12:11

the questioning of it. You'd be like

12:14

glibly joking. I mean, yeah. I mean,

12:16

you're on fucking TV. Yeah. And

12:19

Bush is someone who's known for his gaffes and

12:21

such. Told us somebody would break at least

12:23

a little bit sooner or later. But nothing.

12:26

Nothing. Nothing. Also, this guest

12:29

has nothing to do with sculled bones. God damn it. Why aren't

12:31

we asking them about sculled bones? I'm

12:34

not even positive. I mean, I know they didn't

12:36

go to Ivy League schools. Sure. And I'm not

12:38

positive they even got a bachelor's

12:41

except through the military. OK,

12:43

is it David Petraeus? It is not. OK. However,

12:46

you're not far off. OK.

12:49

Monday through Friday from 11 AM

12:51

until 2

12:51

PM central standard time back

12:53

from 9 to midnight. I'm Alex Jones. Websites

12:56

are info wars dot com and prison planet

12:58

dot com. We're joined by Oliver

13:00

North. And he's written a book that's already

13:02

on the best seller list. What? New York

13:04

Times. War Stories. What? That's also

13:07

the show

13:07

on Fox News. What?

13:10

And Mr. North, it's good to have you on the show with us.

13:12

Alex, it's a pleasure. Thank you. Yep. Ollie

13:15

North. I.

13:16

So 2004.

13:22

Yep. Alex Jones and Info Wars.

13:25

Oliver North. Pleasure to talk

13:27

to you, Alex. He has no idea who he is.

13:29

No clue. And none whatsoever. That bears out throughout

13:32

this interview. Oh, I believe it. I believe it. So

13:34

yeah, Oliver North guy mixed up

13:37

in the Iran-Contra affair.

13:38

See, this is the thing I don't understand. Any

13:41

time I've ever done anything, every time I've ever

13:43

done a guest spot, I've done at least a little bit of

13:45

research. I've listened to like 15 minutes of their

13:47

show at least just to get a vibe of how

13:49

they talk. You know, I'm not like going back through

13:51

back catalogs or something. But I know

13:54

who I know what they sound like when

13:56

I go into it. You know? I understand. And I think

13:58

that's a good practice generally.

13:59

but if you're somebody like Oliver North, who's

14:02

a major figure, and

14:04

you're on Fox News, you have a show

14:07

there, and you just have a book, you're

14:09

on a book tour, you aren't

14:11

gonna be able to screen every single interview

14:13

that your agent brings to you. You

14:15

know, and- I guess what we're

14:17

really saying is I'm not busy. No. And

14:20

ultimately too, the goal is he's trying to sell

14:22

his book, which is about the soldiers,

14:24

and like profiles and courage, and what

14:26

have you. And so, yeah, he's

14:29

on with Alex, and

14:29

I think if you ever get

14:32

the chance to talk to Oliver North, probably

14:35

Iran-Contra is one of the main

14:37

things you're gonna talk about. Here's

14:39

what I would do. I would say, how does

14:42

it feel to do all the war crimes and shit,

14:44

does that feel good or bad? Or

14:46

do you not care, you fucking psychopath,

14:48

you choose. Even if you're Alex Jones,

14:50

then maybe your angle on it would be like,

14:53

how do the globalists relate to Iran-Contra? Yeah,

14:55

I mean something. You could find a way in.

14:58

That's right. He does not

15:00

ask him about it. I forgot he had a

15:02

show on Fox News. Yeah, also,

15:06

I don't know if Alex knows Larry Nichols

15:08

at this point, who was mixed up

15:10

in Iran-Contra according to Alex, so like that

15:12

would have been an interesting little parallel to me. Oh boy.

15:15

But yeah, it doesn't come up. That's

15:17

not

15:18

cool. Alex- That's uncool.

15:20

Alex kind of sasses him on it as they're hanging up.

15:22

Sure. But it's not even that funny or dishy

15:25

or insulting. That's disappointing. Yeah, and

15:27

so I don't

15:29

know. So when he talked to Ann Coulter,

15:31

obviously the goal was confrontation,

15:34

but he pretended to be

15:36

nice to her for a fair

15:39

amount of that interview until it became unsalvageable.

15:41

Right. With Oliver North, he is confrontational

15:44

straight out of the game. I'm fine

15:46

with that. Sure. Yeah. You

15:48

need no introduction. You've got a national TV show. You've got- Because

15:51

of all the times. You've got a radio program.

15:53

I'm gonna be honest with you right here from

15:55

the outset. I'm not gonna sit here on the show

15:57

and sneak attack you. I'm angry

15:59

about the- borders. I'm angry about the Patriot

16:02

Act. I've read it. I'm angry about arming

16:04

North Korea. I'm angry at Clinton. I'm angry

16:06

at Bush. I'm angry at everything that's happened

16:09

in this country. Let me just finish. I'm

16:11

no fan of Saddam Hussein,

16:14

but there's this disconnect of who armed

16:16

Saddam, who was in bed with Saddam.

16:19

We've seen all this happen. I certainly support

16:21

the troops, and you've been

16:23

over there for months and months and months in the last

16:26

year or so, and I certainly

16:29

appreciate that on the ground coverage.

16:32

But, I mean, come on.

16:35

Where do you

16:37

want me to start? I mean, we want to start with Iraq

16:39

and work our way around the globe or what? To

16:43

be fair,

16:44

Oliver North, as a guest, makes

16:46

a pretty decent rebuttal. What

16:49

do you want to talk about? You start. This

16:52

is your show. Yeah. I

16:54

guess you've clarified that you're angry at everybody,

16:57

but you didn't ask me a question. Yeah.

17:00

Alex, so the opening of this interview, I

17:02

believe, begins with you saying that I am mad

17:04

at everyone and then throwing

17:06

it to me. Cool. All

17:09

right. So why? To

17:11

what end? To what end? Should it

17:13

be thrown to me after this, I

17:15

hate everybody speech? Did

17:18

you want me to just be like, me too, Alex?

17:20

Let's fucking ride. It's an interesting

17:23

dynamic wherein Alex can make

17:25

Oliver North seem decent. Yeah. You

17:27

know? And he does come off quite well

17:30

because Alex is so bad at this.

17:32

I'm amazed at our

17:34

ability as a country to

17:38

be like, well, this person lied

17:41

on a grand scale. We can trust him

17:43

going forward, right? Well, he did, you

17:45

know, penance.

17:47

Did he? I don't know. I don't think so. Maybe.

17:50

Depends on how you define it. So

17:53

anyway, Alex is like, hey, man, Rumsfeld.

17:56

Yeah. He has all these plans. He's a bad dude. To

17:58

invade all these countries. Of course.

17:59

And then over north has a

18:02

shockingly good answer.

18:29

What about going into Syria or Iran?

18:32

There's been Oliver, sir. There's

18:34

been skirmishes going

18:36

on with Syria. Rumsfeld's

18:38

put out three plans to go ahead

18:41

and invade Syria. No, wait a second. We've got

18:43

war plans to invade Antarctica. I

18:47

mean, we've had those on the books since World War

18:49

II. And you're constantly updating.

18:52

We waste your money here at the government. A

18:54

lot of the PENAC documents written by Dick Cheney in 2000, Rebuilding

18:56

America's Defenses. Have you read that PENAC document?

18:59

Yeah, I mean, I've read the classified

19:01

as well as the unclassified versions of these

19:03

things. I mean,

19:04

one of the things that we've got to be aware

19:06

of here in this country is that

19:08

to defend this nation against our

19:10

adversaries, we've got to be

19:12

literally prepared to go anywhere. So

19:15

now I am not super

19:17

in favor of the government,

19:20

as you put it, wasting our money. Sure.

19:23

But what he brings up is the

19:25

dynamic that is real, is the preparedness.

19:28

You know, there is a plan in

19:30

case, you know, you need

19:33

to, as Oliver North puts it at

19:35

one point, it's like, yes, we have these plans

19:37

for literally everywhere because we

19:39

don't want the plan to be in New York. Right.

19:42

You know, and like fair enough. But

19:44

like that is the game that

19:47

Alex plays. There's this plan

19:50

of how you would invade Syria. Sure.

19:53

Sure. There's a plan of how we would invade Antarctica. Yeah.

19:56

There's no rebuttal to that for Alex. Yeah. I

19:58

mean, other than like, oh.

19:59

That's bad, that's a

20:02

real bad idea. Maybe if we have plans

20:04

to invade places, we should probably

20:06

be thinking of different plans. Do you think

20:08

that a lot of other countries don't have

20:11

contingency plans? I mean, not

20:13

for invading the United States. How

20:15

many countries have a plan for invading

20:18

the United States of America is now my

20:20

new question. Mike Adams would tell you that China

20:22

has it and it's halfway through. I

20:23

mean, here's the thing. I just

20:25

don't see how a good plan could be done for

20:28

either invading the United States or invading

20:30

Antarctica. It would be a bad idea.

20:32

I don't disagree. Yeah,

20:35

maybe most countries don't have

20:37

elaborate plans on how they might go

20:40

about invading a ton of countries. I would say

20:42

here's what it is.

20:44

It is something that makes

20:47

everybody feel more comfortable to make

20:49

it feel like, oh, well, we have control over

20:51

this uncontrollable, unforeseeable situation.

20:54

It's all pretend. I think there's an element

20:56

of that that is a psychosomatic

20:58

effect that you can have from it. But then the other

21:01

element too is

21:02

that

21:05

maybe it is even a little bit

21:07

of a subtle threat.

21:10

Yeah, I would say so too. And maybe

21:12

on that level, it's not good.

21:14

Like I said, I'm not supporting that state

21:16

of affairs. But that answer to Alex's

21:18

question leads him to a dead end, except

21:21

for your rebuttal, which is, maybe

21:23

it's bad that we have those plans. But that's

21:25

a conversation I don't think Alex necessarily really

21:27

can handle. Especially not with Oliver

21:30

North. No, I think the obvious rebuttal to

21:32

that is more like, are you saying that

21:34

if this, did you pay attention

21:37

to the original invasion? Did you pay attention to

21:39

how that started? Are you saying that that was

21:41

the plan we had in place in advance?

21:44

Are you saying that our plan was to fuck up

21:46

so unbelievably badly that

21:48

we're going to be here for the next 20 fucking years? That

21:51

was the plan? You might be a quicker

21:53

thinker than Alex. I might be ahead of that. I

21:55

might be ahead of that game. Because that could have worked. But

21:57

he doesn't. He doesn't go with that.

21:59

He shifts the conversation over to Rex 84.

22:03

Yep, that sounds bad. The plan to put

22:07

everyone in concentration camps in America. That's

22:09

a bad plan. And it's of course not that,

22:11

but Oliver North is connected with that plan. And

22:13

so Alex brings that up and North shuts him down

22:15

again. Colonel North,

22:18

we have a clip

22:20

in one of my videos where you're before

22:23

the Congress and Congressman

22:27

Jack Brooks brings up the plans

22:30

that have been published, and I have copies of them,

22:32

for concentration camps in America.

22:35

Alex, that's just not fair to your audience.

22:38

First of all, there was never a plan

22:40

anywhere in my government, and

22:43

certainly not the administration I worked in,

22:46

for concentration camps for anybody.

22:48

Why would I believe you? Jack Brooks had

22:50

a political agenda. His agenda was

22:53

to remove Ronald Reagan from office.

22:55

He raised that issue, and you may remember if

22:58

you play the full clip of that hearing. I

23:00

sat there stunned that the

23:02

continuity of government plan to preserve

23:04

a constitutional republic. That's

23:07

what that plan was all about. We spent $16 billion

23:09

in it from 1981 to 1983, trying to make sure that the country

23:11

could never

23:15

be decapitated,

23:17

and it would never, ever be in the

23:19

hands of someone other than him. Mr.

23:21

North, Alex, I'll let you finish. You're going to let me finish? Well,

23:24

Colonel, I have all the mainstream

23:26

news articles in Newsmax, I'm sure

23:28

you've heard of them,

23:29

where they found out about the current plan

23:32

to build one million man.

23:34

Alex, let's just finish one topic

23:37

at a time before we go off. The

23:39

ether here. Yeah,

23:41

he's like, what about this evil plan? We have a clip of

23:43

you. It was a continuity of government.

23:46

Look, what are you talking about? Reagan wasn't trying

23:49

to put people in camps. Right, right. I

23:51

mean, but that's where we get back to my problem

23:53

with the United States and how we do

23:55

things, and maybe just people in general. I

23:59

can never trust

23:59

you again Oliver, that's how

24:02

that works. Well that is an unfortunate

24:04

reality. How is it that he still

24:06

had a TV show and shit like that? Well

24:08

yeah, it is objectively

24:10

strange that there are two people

24:12

talking and neither of them are in

24:15

any way trustworthy. I cannot believe a single

24:17

word either of these men is saying to each

24:19

other. Yeah, I think that

24:21

in terms of the subjects that Alex

24:24

is bringing up and the way

24:26

that Oliver North is talking about

24:28

them, North's stuff

24:29

is way more connected to reality.

24:32

Totally.

24:32

And so I am everything

24:34

that I've learned from my digging

24:37

into things. Sure. And so not so

24:39

much trusting him but recognizing

24:42

that he is closer to

24:44

not full of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I agree.

24:47

I believe. It's just a challenge, I get

24:49

it. I believe that Oliver North is

24:52

correct when he said that Reagan did not have

24:54

concentration camp

24:55

plans.

24:56

Alright? I believe that. However, I cannot

24:59

believe Oliver North when he just says

25:01

that. I'm gonna need to talk to other people.

25:03

And now what's interesting about that

25:05

is that dynamic is real

25:07

and Alex can't

25:10

handle an interview with someone who's so

25:12

impeachable. Yeah, you know, he can't. It's so thoroughly

25:15

impeachable. He still drops the ball. Yeah,

25:17

I mean that is bananas.

25:19

This is the most easy slam

25:21

dunk layup thing that you could possibly get.

25:24

Yeah. Especially if

25:25

you're Alex. Yeah.

25:28

He is a literal conspiracy person. Yeah.

25:32

Yeah. And

25:34

Alex somehow tricked him into coming on

25:37

the show. Oh my God. He's right there and Alex

25:39

can't do it. He's got to talk about Reagan. Now we're

25:41

going to talk about Rex 84. God

25:43

damn it. And then Oliver North scolds him. Okay,

25:46

well, I appreciate you coming on and.

25:49

No, but Alex, it's not fair to your audience

25:51

to make these kinds of claims. They're not

25:53

claims. It doesn't bother me.

25:55

They're not claims. I mean, I've

25:57

seen the New York Times pieces about me. in

26:00

the liberal press and what they've said about me. It

26:02

doesn't bother me at all. But for you to mislead

26:04

your audience, say Ronald Reagan intended to put

26:07

people into concentrations camps in outrage.

26:09

Okay, let me stop you right there.

26:11

Let me stop you there. It's

26:13

an outrage. Let me stop you right there.

26:15

Let me make it matter. I'm gonna change subjects

26:18

real quick and call you probably a liar in some

26:20

fashion. Let me pivot and see if I can confuse you.

26:22

Yeah, exactly. But I do enjoy

26:24

that, scolding him. This

26:27

is not fair to your audience. I

26:29

appreciate that. I appreciate that he's obsessed

26:32

with being like, hey, listen, you're lying to your

26:34

audience the wrong way. I work for Fox News.

26:37

So Alex tries to rebut the rebuttal to

26:40

the Reagan concentration

26:41

camps. And here's how that

26:43

goes. You can tell, if you pay, meh,

26:46

not even that close of attention. You can tell

26:48

towards the end of this that Oliver North is starting

26:50

to get annoyed.

26:51

But for you to mislead your audience, say Ronald

26:53

Reagan intended to put people into concentrations

26:55

camps in outrage. Okay, let me stop you right

26:57

there, Colonel North, because what

26:59

you just did is an outrage, okay? Hold

27:02

on a second. I didn't say Ronald Reagan wanted

27:04

to put people into concentration camps. Ronald Reagan,

27:06

Ronald Reagan, let me finish, let

27:08

me finish. I said

27:10

that those plans have now been released and

27:14

the old plans have been integrated with new plans.

27:16

And I've got Denver Post, Associated

27:18

Press, Washington Times, the liberal

27:21

conservative admitting Newsmax

27:23

got the purchase orders for three one

27:25

million man camps. Okay,

27:28

this is last year. It's all posted at

27:30

prisonplanet.com in the

27:33

civilian inmate labor camp program. I have the

27:35

army documents. Zach Coachella, Bonnaroo. Where

27:38

they're already using prisoners to expand these. And

27:40

so, I

27:40

know you've been out of the country in

27:43

Iraq and all this. What I'm telling you is, I'm

27:45

not bringing up smoky

27:47

conspiracy theories. Alex, I recommend

27:50

you get out there and start campaigning for John Kerry

27:52

right now. I mean, that's what you gotta do, buddy. Oh,

27:54

another skull and bones member. Well, I mean,

27:56

John Kerry's the guy wants to, you know, take apart our

27:58

military. And obviously, you're a...

27:59

afraid of our military and afraid of our government. Well,

28:02

hey, you know that Senator Warner

28:05

and Bush and Cheney and all of

28:07

them have said they want to get rid of Posse Comitatus? No,

28:09

I've not heard him say that. I have Ridge on Tate saying

28:12

they want to get rid of it. On Fox News,

28:15

are you forgetting rid of Posse Comitatus? No.

28:19

Certainly, you know that in the

28:21

late 80s they already had Marine Corps officers

28:24

dressed up in police uniforms doing drug

28:26

and gun raids in Norfolk, Virginia.

28:28

Oh, Alex, good Lord, help me.

28:33

I like a good Lord, good Lord. Help

28:36

me. I like that. That's a genuine.

28:39

That's a real and I think reasonable

28:41

response to info wars. Yeah, Lord,

28:43

help me. Yeah, I would accept that from anyone

28:46

regardless of where they're from. It's

28:48

so weird, though, that it's coming

28:51

out of Oliver North. I mean, I

28:53

think it's so funny to me that he's

28:55

exasperated with Alex's bullshit

28:58

and then he's like, now John Kerry is trying to dismantle

29:00

the entire military. Right. Your

29:03

propaganda

29:03

is only slightly different.

29:06

Right. That's not a good enough difference.

29:08

No, I think the good enough difference or

29:10

at least the sort of the

29:13

way they would put the difference maybe is

29:15

that that propaganda is like right

29:18

in the wheelhouse of electoral politics. Sure.

29:21

It's in that sweet spot of stuff you expect

29:23

from the left and the right. Thomas Jefferson now.

29:26

Yeah, the whole thing. We've all been there. Yeah, there's

29:28

a there's a deep tradition to

29:31

that. Whereas

29:32

like the stuff that Alex is coming up with is a little

29:34

bit like, all right, you're out there, man.

29:37

This is nonsense. You know, here's what I will

29:39

say. And it is exasperating to deal with

29:41

nonsense. It's not as exasperating to

29:43

just write with regular ass me. Regular

29:45

ass bullshit. Right. Here's what here's

29:47

what I think, though. What I'm what I'm

29:50

putting together, I feel like, is

29:53

when we talk about how Fox News and

29:55

that stuff has moved closer to Info Wars

29:57

right now, what we don't talk about

29:59

is that

29:59

Like, when you watch this,

30:02

when I listen to this interview, I see two

30:04

incredibly trustworthy people, both with

30:06

massive audiences. Untrustworthy. I

30:08

mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, incredibly untrustworthy. Apologies,

30:11

misspoke. Both with massive

30:13

audiences, and as time has gone on,

30:16

they've both come closer together. Yeah.

30:18

You know? Alex has moved towards electoral

30:21

politics, and Oliver North's bullshit has

30:23

moved exactly towards Alex, you know? Yeah,

30:26

and consider, too, how, like, at this

30:28

point, Oliver North is on the board at the NRA,

30:30

and Alex thinks the NRA is a gun grab organization,

30:33

you know? And now he's fine with

30:35

the NRA, and they're far more extreme, and Kid

30:37

Rock is on the board. Totally. That's

30:39

right. Because why not? Because why

30:41

not? Or is it just fantasy world? I'm

30:43

not sure. One of the two. We live in fantasy world. Yeah,

30:46

yeah, it's messed up. And I mean,

30:48

I think there is that feedback loop, and part

30:51

of it comes from the lack of truth, really,

30:53

from both of them, you know? Yeah.

30:56

Their griffs aren't that different, and why not come closer together?

30:59

I think their griffs are different substantially,

31:03

but

31:04

not in ways, maybe, that are that meaningful

31:07

to them. Yes. But here's something

31:09

that I was thinking about. Sure. There's,

31:11

like, some of the only times that

31:13

we hear people, like, pushing

31:16

on Alex from a place that's rooted in reality

31:20

are people like Ann Coulter and

31:22

Oliver North. Of course. And

31:24

I thought that was weird, but then I was like, well, yeah, people who are on the left

31:27

and stuff are probably never going to be on

31:29

the show. But

31:31

Oliver North and Ann Coulter are the only

31:33

types of people who are close

31:35

enough ideologically. They're

31:38

famous so they'll get tricked

31:40

into coming on. Right.

31:42

And maybe don't have to worry

31:45

about Alex's shit. Right. You

31:47

know, like, some other smaller person who's

31:50

in a conservative space might

31:52

need to worry about what they could

31:54

get out of this. Whereas Coulter

31:57

and Oliver North, they're made. They don't need,

31:59

they don't need to.

31:59

I don't need to worry about this shit. Well, I mean, and that, I think.

32:02

You don't need to worry about re-booking? No, of course not. And

32:04

I think that comes down to what

32:06

we talk about of like, he's not above

32:08

the right-left paradigm at all.

32:10

He can talk to these people because they're essentially

32:12

on the same team. We have differences

32:15

within that same team. Somebody on

32:17

the left, if they do that, if they do

32:19

that kind of pushback that you're getting from Ann Coulter

32:21

or Oliver North, he's just gonna yell

32:23

over them and you're gonna realize, you're gonna be like, this

32:26

is a waste of time for everybody. So

32:28

I'm done here. It's gonna take like

32:30

three or four aggressive

32:32

moments before he calls Oliver North a commie.

32:35

Exactly, yes, exactly. Whereas that's coming immediately.

32:37

Right out the gate. Yeah, for- Oh, you fucking

32:39

commie is how

32:40

it starts, yeah. So Oliver North's

32:42

getting a little bit annoyed. And

32:44

he has this to say to Alex.

32:46

You're sitting here trying to imply I'm for John

32:48

Kerry. I don't know who you're for. Let me

32:50

tell you. I didn't say you were for John Kerry.

32:52

I said what you should be doing is get behind him. I'm

32:54

saying it doesn't matter. You got two people

32:57

who are related to each other. So what are you gonna

32:59

do, overthrow the government?

33:00

This is, you know what? My Declaration of

33:02

Independence says when my government becomes illegitimate

33:05

and becomes destructive with the Bill of Rights, it is

33:07

my job to replace it. And I want our

33:10

country back.

33:11

Well, then I recommend you do it with ballots instead

33:13

of bullets, Alex. Oh, the die-hold systems

33:15

are doing quite nicely. We tried bullets. I've seen the thousands

33:18

of articles admitting with their own engineers saying

33:20

that it's a scam.

33:22

Okay, so you don't wanna do it with ballots.

33:24

How do you wanna do it?

33:26

I'm gonna try to do it by educating people.

33:28

And of course, I'm gonna do it. To do what? I mean, just sit

33:30

there and listen to you, or you will do something?

33:33

Yes, sit there and listen to me. Oh, I am doing something. No,

33:35

no, I'm asking what you want the people to do.

33:37

I mean, I'm kinda curious about this. I

33:39

want them to become- You don't wanna do it with ballots. I

33:41

want them to become leery, leery

33:44

of big government. The government's grown by 45% Colonel North

33:47

in the last three years.

33:49

Well, then I recommend you get guys on

33:51

your show that will talk and support this kind

33:54

of stuff. All I did was write a book about how brave

33:56

American soldier sailors and Marines are. And

33:58

you call me up to blast me about-

33:59

government. That's

34:04

fair. Yeah. That's fair. Stuff

34:06

to argue with that. I'm on a book tour, Alex. I

34:09

have no influence on the size of the

34:11

government. It's something to talk about the book. Yeah.

34:14

But there's an interesting perceptiveness

34:16

that Oliver North has there that like you

34:18

could do it with ballots or bullets. You want

34:21

to overthrow the government. Well, these ballot systems

34:23

don't work. And Oliver North's got to be thinking like, all

34:25

right, so you do want to do with bullets, right? Right. Right.

34:28

Right. Uh, it's,

34:30

it's, it's just, uh, that, that

34:32

moment too of the,

34:34

what do you want to do? Do you want people to sit here and listen

34:36

to you? Yeah. It's that's perceptive.

34:39

Yeah. That's so right on. It's like, yes,

34:41

that is what Alex wants. Yeah. It should have, there

34:43

should have been like a little light bulb that went

34:45

off and on above Alex's head, which is like, that's

34:48

the best outcome for me. I've been

34:50

seen. Yeah, exactly. Finally, someone

34:52

has seen my dream and shares it with me.

34:54

Yeah. Mike down for this. Cause

34:56

this clip is really funny.

34:58

Alex, you got, you're, you're

35:01

obviously very angry. And I am

35:03

angry. We're losing our country. Well, well,

35:05

I'll tell you what, I'm glad we still got youngsters willing

35:08

to defend it. Oh, youngsters,

35:10

you know, I'm a youngster, huh? No, I'm talking about

35:12

youngsters. The ones, the 19 and a half year

35:15

olds that I was just covering.

35:17

Well, let's, let's take a few calls. Let's talk

35:19

to Jerry in Wisconsin. Jerry, go ahead. Yeah.

35:22

How's it going? I

35:24

was wondering does that guy you're talking to, is he a

35:26

list of 10 year videos or what?

35:29

No, I don't think Oliver nor singing in my videos.

35:32

It kind of sounds that way. He needs to blow out

35:34

some of the cobwebs out of his ears or that

35:38

is a calm tone. Yeah. I

35:40

don't even know how to deal with quite. That's

35:42

too much. I love Alex thinking

35:44

that he's calling him a youngster who's

35:47

ready to fight for the country. Yep. Not

35:50

talking about you, buddy. Talking about the troops. Talking

35:52

about the troops. Duh. This caller

35:54

is like, I don't know who this guy is, but he's, I mean,

35:58

I don't know.

35:59

North character needs to watch Endgame

36:02

and wake up. Here's what just

36:04

happened. We justified our show entirely.

36:08

Cause that clip needed to be heard. And up until

36:10

this point,

36:11

up until this point, you had to have been listening

36:13

on February 4th, 2004. February

36:17

10th, 2004 in order to hear this. I

36:22

used to watch when I was a kid, like

36:24

documentaries and videos of DJs

36:27

talking about how they'd go to record stores and digging

36:29

the crates. And that's what I'm doing, man. That's 100%

36:31

what you're doing. I'm digging in the crates. You're crate digging.

36:33

Find these gems. How many remixes have we got

36:36

already? We've got crate diggers. Ah,

36:38

this is what it's about, finding these moments

36:41

where a

36:41

caller is like, who's this young whippersnapper

36:43

all over North? He doesn't know anything

36:45

about how the government works or how clandestine

36:47

operations go. I just

36:50

don't know if it gets better than that. Cause

36:52

you know, on Twitter, sure, people have

36:54

always been that stupid. You know, they

36:56

love being like, oh, I'm going to correct this doctor

36:59

of the thing that they're talking about. But

37:01

that's on Twitter. That's an overtyping.

37:03

That's fast, flicked off bullshit. This

37:06

man had to call. The scholar

37:08

seems to not know who Oliver North is. No idea.

37:10

Which is amazing. Yep.

37:11

And then also this is before he made

37:14

Endgame. For somebody. Like the documentaries

37:16

that he's suggesting he watch are unwatchable.

37:19

Yep.

37:20

Oof. Yeah. So there's other

37:22

things that need to come up, sure, Oklahoma

37:24

City bombing. Naturally. What do you know

37:26

about that, Ollie? I don't know why we're talking to Oliver

37:28

North about that. But like. Hey, guess what?

37:31

Neither does Oliver North. Sounds right. Colonel

37:33

North, Ben Parton said

37:35

he worked on one of your campaigns. You've stayed at his house.

37:38

General Benton Parton, former head of Air Force Weapons

37:40

Development.

37:41

He says there were bombs inside the building and

37:44

obviously government elements were involved.

37:47

You said during the break that you were aware of

37:50

his report. Do you have any comments to it?

37:53

Well, I don't know what I'd report. I mean. Oh.

37:56

What do you want me to add to it? Oh, I mean,

37:58

do you think a truck bomb did that?

37:59

Well, there's no doubt that

38:02

Timothy McRae drove a truck bomb up there.

38:04

You don't doubt that, do you?

38:05

I got

38:08

the police on record saying multiple

38:10

people got out of that vehicle. It was a government operation

38:12

for Harry Clinton. But answer the

38:14

question, does the truck bomb blow a building out

38:17

and pieces of it on top buildings?

38:19

Well, I've seen buildings blow up all

38:21

kinds of different ways. And Ben Parton's an

38:23

old friend of mine, and I'm not about to criticize

38:25

his analysis of it. But let me just

38:27

tell you something. Well, do you have the courage to answer

38:30

the question? Do I have

38:30

the courage to answer

38:33

what question? You

38:37

can't handle the question. All

38:40

right.

38:42

This is so ridiculous.

38:45

Yeah, this is, I mean,

38:47

I just, this is just a thing to let wash

38:49

over you. That exists. This

38:52

exists. I felt like we kind of needed

38:54

a little bit of something that's surreal after,

38:56

you know, there's some downers and some

38:58

bummer shit going on. And so like something

39:01

like this, that's like, do you just marvel

39:03

at Alex

39:06

demanding answers about Oklahoma

39:08

City? What do you do? Yeah.

39:10

No, I mean, it is, it is like sometimes

39:12

what a great reminder of what it

39:14

is that we started this for. Yeah. And

39:17

that's finding out that Oliver North is talking. You

39:20

know, Benton Parton,

39:22

right? So therefore you

39:24

answer my question about it. So

39:28

do you think that he has the courage to answer this question?

39:32

I mean, I suppose the, okay.

39:35

I suppose that he will have the courage to

39:37

answer, but will he have the courage to

39:39

answer the way that Alex wants him to? Of course

39:42

not. Okay. Colonel North,

39:45

do you have the courage to answer the question? Do

39:48

I have the courage

39:50

to answer what question?

39:51

Alex, unlike

39:54

what is your, what is your expert opinion

39:56

on it?

39:56

I'm not an expert on buildings blown

39:59

up. I'm a Marine Infantry Officer.

40:01

So you don't know anything about explosions?

40:05

Well I've certainly caused a lot of them to happen.

40:07

Jesus. What

40:10

did you... what do you think his answers

40:13

are gonna be? Well, I was an expert in demolitions.

40:16

Right, right, right. If you're Alex, what do you think is the

40:18

like best case outcome

40:19

for this? I don't know. I think

40:21

he's trying to make him mad or something and make him leave. Something.

40:24

Make him run away. But if that's the case, then why doesn't he start

40:26

fucking with him about a wrong

40:28

contract? Yeah, because Alex isn't like that

40:30

caller. Alex does know who he is. But

40:34

yeah, that's fun. Maybe it's a situation where

40:36

like Alex is so used to himself and everyone

40:38

around him faking expertise that

40:40

he just expects that everyone does that. Yeah, yeah,

40:42

yeah. You're not the kind of caliber of grifter

40:44

I'm used to having on the show. Yeah.

40:47

You're a different variety. You seem to be above

40:49

my garbage bullshit. Or

40:51

uninterested. Yeah, very much uninterested,

40:54

yes. I'm used to dealing

40:56

with bottom feeder weirdos who

40:59

have much lower of profile

41:01

than me. I'm not used to

41:03

someone who was involved

41:05

in high capacity with the Ron

41:07

Contra

41:08

has been involved in, you

41:10

know, high level crimes.

41:15

I was gonna say politics,

41:17

clandestine operations, planning

41:21

of stuff. Yeah, like he

41:23

doesn't give a shit. It's on Fox News.

41:26

He's got a book. I could

41:28

not be more. I think Alex should just be like,

41:30

hey, sorry, most of the lieutenant

41:32

colonels I talked to were not actually

41:35

lieutenant colonels. And they're not real. No.

41:38

I do think that

41:38

there's also something to be said for the fact that

41:40

like he doesn't just leave. Yeah. Because

41:43

there is, I feel like there's an

41:45

almost academic interest

41:48

that Oliver North has. I think he's curious

41:51

about what Alex is up to. Totally.

41:54

Do you want to take over the government? Is that what you want? Yeah. Who

41:57

are you in favor of? Yeah. What

41:59

do you want?

41:59

Yeah. Because most

42:01

people, I assume, who live in the world of

42:03

reality, have

42:05

some fairly concrete ideas

42:07

about what they advocate for or what

42:09

they want. Especially somebody who has a fucking

42:12

nationally syndicated radio show. You would expect.

42:15

You'd think. They'd have a thought out, this is

42:17

what I'm about, this is, you know, and

42:19

it's an election year so obviously Oliver

42:21

North expects if he's on a conservative

42:23

radio station, they're not going to be anywhere

42:26

near supporting Kerry. Obviously they're going

42:28

to be Bush supporters.

42:29

And I think he's confused. And here we

42:31

are. Yeah. Yeah. So

42:34

he doesn't get an answer, Oliver

42:36

North doesn't, to the Bush-Kerry dilemma.

42:39

Do you know what I think this reminds me of? What's

42:41

that? This reminds me of the scene in Jackass

42:44

where they go into all the different ways

42:46

to hit somebody with a giant hand. You

42:49

know, like going on InfoWars

42:51

at this time period might as well have been getting

42:53

hit with a giant hand in the face. Like

42:55

you go down, you see your glasses of

42:58

orange juice fly up in the air, you do the whole

43:00

thing and then you're like, that was pretty

43:02

funny honestly.

43:03

You got to give it to me. That was pretty funny.

43:05

I bet Oliver North didn't leave this and be like, that was

43:08

pretty funny. That guy was annoying. Yeah, that's

43:10

true. That's true. So anyway, back to the Bush-Kerry

43:12

dilemma. Okay.

43:13

My point is that

43:15

we've never had a more liberal president than

43:18

George W. Bush.

43:20

Sure. Well, then what are you going to do about it?

43:23

That's a question. Well, what

43:25

am I going to do? We got a choice between John Kerry

43:27

and Bush. It

43:31

kind of looks that way to me. I mean, I don't

43:33

want to get the prophecy, but it kind of looks like that's

43:36

how the nomination is going to go. We got a primary

43:38

in Virginia today. It looks like it's going to hand it to him.

43:41

Oliver North's war stories and Scott,

43:43

a DVD of video with it, huh? Just

43:45

changing the subject completely. Well, he's got

43:47

to get the plug in before they say goodbye. We got

43:50

nothing. We got nothing. Yeah. No,

43:52

I don't have any answers or ideas about

43:55

what I want to do. I'm going to be honest with you. I

43:57

do not have the courage to answer that question.

43:59

I think it comes back to what

44:02

Alex said and then Oliver North reiterated.

44:05

Alex is just angry. It is not

44:08

focused, it is not directed, it's not productive.

44:10

It is just sort of a performance

44:13

of anger.

44:14

Well, I mean,

44:16

obviously,

44:17

obviously this is an eat

44:19

the red card moment. You know, like

44:22

if somebody gives you the choice, if you're Alex Jones

44:24

and somebody does give you the perceptive reality

44:27

of if you are arguing that

44:29

it cannot be done by nonviolent

44:31

means, then you are arguing that

44:33

it must be done by violent means.

44:36

There's only two options at a certain

44:38

point, there's only two options, you know? Well, not

44:41

necessarily in the same- For Alex. Well, no,

44:43

no, no, because there are multiple

44:45

nonviolent ways and there are probably

44:47

multiple

44:47

violent ways.

44:50

Well, sure, but I mean the question boils down to- I'm

44:52

not positive

44:54

that most of the nonviolent

44:56

ways don't eventually boil down

44:58

to that single nonviolent way of ballots.

45:01

Sure. You know, and- No, no, no, true. But

45:03

there are a number of different

45:06

tendrils that come off of that, different

45:08

ways you can focus your energy that

45:11

feed towards that nonviolent solution.

45:13

So there is one way,

45:15

but Alex could be focused in like,

45:18

hey, yeah,

45:19

I'm not so into Bush and Kerry,

45:22

but here's what I am interested in, creating

45:24

groups in your local area. Volunteering

45:28

X, Y, or Z thing, and that would have been

45:30

a satisfactory answer. True.

45:32

Instead, it's just, hey,

45:35

there's ballots and bullets, die-bold systems!

45:37

Yeah, yeah, no, I'm just- It's a rejection

45:40

of the peaceful one, is more

45:42

what you're saying. Right, right, I'm just taking

45:44

it as read that the peaceful one is off the table

45:47

in whatever format you want. I mean, I suppose

45:49

there is one peaceful form, which is I do

45:51

just want them to listen to me.

45:54

I don't want to actually overthrow the government, I

45:56

just want people to listen to me and sit there quietly. I

45:59

mean, so- anyone wants to admit that no

46:01

so he's got he's trapped in a corner where

46:03

he literally doesn't have the courage to say either

46:06

of the answers that might be true yeah yep

46:09

he doesn't have the courage to answer the question that it

46:11

does not he can handle the question and

46:13

the question yeah

46:15

they they and the interview and

46:18

it's not all that eventful and

46:20

but what what a moment

46:23

yeah I mean I imagine

46:26

he must have really wanted to get him riled

46:28

up in some way yeah I think so but he

46:30

didn't do it well he did not I don't

46:32

think I don't think he did much of a character study

46:34

of the person he was going to be interviewing

46:37

and here's here's what's interesting

46:39

to like I bet this appearance sold

46:41

negative books for him

46:43

you know like there is no upside

46:46

no to the but he probably didn't know that going

46:49

in but as soon as you're in there you've got to realize

46:51

like nobody's buying my book this guy

46:53

this guy is he has him like

46:56

he he's lumbasting him from

46:58

the beginning yeah this is not like this

47:01

is not an interview where it's like we're going to come out the other

47:03

end of this and see a spike yeah and

47:05

also he's probably got to realize like

47:08

whatever negative thing could happen

47:10

here also doesn't affect me yeah there's no

47:12

negative consequence yeah this is an

47:14

event this is just a thing that happened

47:17

I am I yeah I will walk

47:19

away from this and it will still just be

47:21

a thing there there will not be far-reaching

47:23

effects this is not a butterfly

47:26

that leads to a tornado I can choose to think

47:28

about it later or not or no one

47:30

cares yeah so after

47:34

after Oliver North leaves Alex decides well

47:36

I gotta start rewriting this thing of course yeah yeah

47:38

you gotta get to work on that we just had Oliver

47:41

North on

47:44

and I have had probably 20

47:47

different top neo cons

47:49

over the years he was the slick top

47:52

oh I'm just a nice war hero

47:55

I haven't done anything wrong I don't understand

47:57

but when I faced him down with all of

47:59

the

47:59

socialism and big government of Bush

48:03

he began to falter didn't know how to respond

48:05

because everybody knows it's true conservatives

48:07

real conservatives are hopping mad about what's happening

48:10

that was not my experience of listening to that was

48:12

about as far away from my experiences could be gotten

48:14

yeah I mean he did bring up the day you know

48:17

Bush is a big government guy

48:19

yeah and all this sure that's he

48:22

didn't fold as much as he said

48:24

like I'm a guy who was in the military

48:27

and I wrote a book I didn't I didn't come here to

48:29

talk about the size of government yeah that's not my

48:31

it's not my bailiwick I'm

48:33

I mean in the course of warring I

48:36

have blown things up but I was

48:38

never in like a class that taught about

48:40

explosions and how they function yeah

48:43

so I could say like here's what happens

48:45

from a distance if you shoot a missile here's what it

48:47

looks like yeah got it yeah that's what I got

48:49

for you I've got nothing about truck bombs

48:52

you may have got the wrong guest Alex I'm famous

48:54

and maybe

48:56

you wanted to confront a famous person

48:59

and congratulations on doing that poorly

49:02

but yeah it's it's fascinating how the next

49:05

segment he has to start rewriting

49:07

this I mean it didn't go well in an insane

49:09

way yeah like this is not a man

49:11

who has ever wrestled with failure mm-hmm

49:14

he just hasn't no there's instantly reality

49:17

changes yep

49:18

that's fascinating so they get a call from

49:20

a veteran

49:22

and who knows Oliver North no

49:25

but he does threaten to kill him okay Oliver

49:28

North you're a criminal we're gonna hang

49:30

you and you better get ready for

49:33

it

49:33

and all of you people up there we're coming

49:35

for you and

49:36

that's the truth feel like ballot boxes

49:38

the way he's gonna go well well

49:41

I understand you're you're yeah we're coming

49:43

for you rusty who

49:45

rusty his name is rusty yeah guy

49:48

named rusty is claiming that he's going to

49:50

hang Oliver North yeah that's just

49:52

a regular old thing that happens kind

49:54

of making Oliver North's point somewhat yeah

49:57

that is a little bit of a so you're saying you

49:59

don't want to use the batteries

49:59

box certainly not murder

50:02

threat yeah mount and also direct

50:05

murder for straight up direct murder

50:07

threat those were the days ha

50:10

if I were over north and I had just finished this interview

50:12

and then I am still maybe like tuning in

50:15

to see you like just see what he says about the work

50:17

on a hang all right okay

50:19

all right selling any books don't think I'm

50:21

going to make the info wars

50:24

bestseller list rusty off the mailing

50:26

list

50:29

so yeah alex alex is just

50:32

now that Oliver North is gone

50:34

it's just insult Oliver North

50:36

time of course all the north is going

50:38

to have to persevere with you and start

50:41

to

50:42

face down the facts

50:44

and I was going to suggest I'd be a part

50:46

of you know sending

50:49

him two or three of your

50:51

videos

50:52

and I didn't know I didn't get his address but

50:55

getting a certain sir Oliver

50:57

North knows all about the New World Order Oliver

51:00

North knows exactly what he's doing he's

51:02

making millions of dollars doing it and

51:06

it's just sad sad that people don't

51:08

miss our country now so now Oliver North

51:10

is a willing participant

51:12

in the New World Order for money sure

51:14

I mean that's not

51:17

wrong it the way alex is

51:20

sure the great the way he

51:22

sees it that's wrong yes not correct yes yeah

51:24

yeah yeah but they could have come up

51:27

I mean the interview I just don't

51:29

even know how to imagine

51:31

Oliver North sitting across from me without

51:34

me just being like I ran contra like

51:36

I don't even know if I would ask a question I would just

51:38

say that over and I ran contra sir

51:40

how do you like your rice hard

51:43

or soft rice what do you like call Larry

51:45

Nichols buddy what is it what

51:47

is there you have to say about jolly

51:49

now that I would that I would

51:51

listen to Larry Nichols interviewing

51:54

Oliver North that I would order

51:56

this interview if alex sneakily

51:58

brought Larry yeah yeah

51:59

Yeah, absolutely. God, that would be good. Nah,

52:02

Ali, you know that's not how it went. That's

52:04

not how it went down, Ali. Ali.

52:06

You know that. We

52:09

did not. So I

52:12

have one more clip, but I don't think I'm gonna play

52:14

it. So the Oliver

52:16

North interview is in the first hour. And

52:18

then there's some killing time.

52:20

Basically, like what I presented with the,

52:23

like trying to recontextualize

52:25

a little bit like, oh, like rubbing a

52:28

ball on his wound. Trying

52:31

to get back his feeling good about

52:33

himself after that interview. And then

52:35

he has an interview with a guy

52:38

whose child died

52:40

from suicide after they

52:43

got on some meds. After

52:45

they got on some antidepressants. Oh my God.

52:48

And the whole rest of the show is

52:50

a lot of bullshit about that.

52:53

And I think it's not good.

52:57

It's not interesting. It's stuff we've covered before.

53:00

And I think I still would cover a little

53:02

bit of it because there are some points that can be rebutted

53:04

here and there. And there are some important

53:06

things to bring up about the

53:09

conversation about mental health and

53:12

the medication stuff.

53:15

But the whole time

53:17

that father is there,

53:19

and while I disagree with him,

53:22

I feel very uncomfortable with

53:25

discussing his appearance on the show, given that

53:27

it's predicated on the loss

53:29

of his daughter. And

53:32

I don't want to insult him. And also at the same

53:34

time, I don't want to be a huge. No,

53:36

I get it. It's a mess. Yeah,

53:40

I mean, what I'm finding interesting, the

53:42

more I think about it, is those callers.

53:45

Immediately after Oliver North, 100% obviously

53:47

being like, Oliver

53:50

North didn't know what he was talking about. He didn't see your

53:52

videos. And it's like, how

53:57

did you hear that conversation

53:59

go? what do you in your

54:01

mind here that would make you

54:03

think, oh, well, I need to call and reinforce

54:06

that Oliver North is lying

54:08

about bullshit.

54:10

Like, if only Oliver North

54:12

had seen the Wikipedia page for false flags.

54:14

Yeah. Maybe then he would. This

54:17

is pre-Daria. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

54:19

Yeah, it's strange, but I think it's

54:21

partially because,

54:23

I mean, I don't know, I can't generalize it

54:26

to all of these callers, but that

54:28

caller,

54:29

when Oliver North was there, who clearly

54:31

had no idea who he was, I think

54:34

it was a decent chance. A lot of these people have no idea who he is

54:36

and don't realize what he's done, what his resume

54:39

includes, how he's been involved

54:41

in the sort of things Alex talks

54:43

about all the time. All of the time. In charge

54:45

of them, in fact. And like-

54:48

With high level conversations. If

54:50

anybody knows way more than Alex's

54:53

documentaries would ever be able

54:55

to capture, Oliver North is high

54:57

on that list of such

54:59

a person. And so it is kind of comical

55:02

for them to be like, he needed to watch your videos.

55:03

Yeah, and then the idea,

55:06

because this turns the idea of an interview

55:08

on its head for me, like in my head, it's

55:10

your, the guest is there. And so

55:12

your job is to make the guest look

55:15

good. No. And then- You're

55:17

supposed to attack them. And then the audience should

55:19

evaluate your

55:22

performance based on how well

55:24

you did making the guest look good. These people

55:26

seem to think that Alex's performance is based

55:28

entirely around how well he yells at somebody

55:31

else. Yeah, how poorly he makes them look.

55:33

Exactly. Well, but I mean, it's a losing game

55:35

because Alex has a NeoCon

55:38

on, right?

55:39

And if

55:40

the success outcome is

55:42

him making them look bad successfully to

55:45

the audience, there is no

55:47

positive outcome that involves them

55:49

looking good. Because like

55:51

if they make good points and

55:54

Alex says, you know what, that's actually

55:56

a pretty good point. That's thoughtful. I hadn't considered

55:58

it that way. His whole idea

56:01

about them like, oh, it's just socialist

56:03

Trotskyites sneaking around trying

56:05

to pretend to be conservative. Like all

56:07

of that vitriol kind of falls apart

56:09

if he has a

56:11

relatively decent or

56:14

even friendly, thoughtful exchange

56:16

with a neocon. From

56:18

the beginning has to go bad.

56:21

And that's kind of part of what I think is

56:23

fascinating about it because this genre

56:26

has that built into it. But

56:28

Alex can never pull it off.

56:31

No, because he's bad at it. Yeah. He's

56:34

astonishingly bad at doing. His own positions

56:36

are so poorly thought out that he can't even

56:38

handle Oliver North and Ann Coulter.

56:41

Yeah. That's ridiculous. That is sad.

56:44

Yeah. And he just changes the subject.

56:46

Yeah. All the time. Yeah, trying to confuse

56:48

and distract whenever something's not going right. Yeah,

56:51

I mean, it is funny to

56:53

see him act like a child.

56:56

And to see

56:58

him be confused because

57:00

he's like, no, acting like a toddler

57:03

always works. I don't

57:05

understand how you're using these Jedi

57:07

mind tricks where you're not looking at my keys, Jangle.

57:10

This is very confusing. Colonel North, I know

57:12

that you have to say this about continuity

57:15

of government, but have you considered wah, wah, wah,

57:17

wah? Ah. Mama, titty. Oh,

57:20

now, you know what? Now that I think about it,

57:22

that's what I learned in war. Makes a good point. Yeah.

57:26

So we come to the end of this and look,

57:28

I mean, the value of this day is Oliver

57:31

North showed up. Yeah. And that's surreal

57:33

as hell. Yep. And

57:36

worth it just for that, I think. Worth the price

57:38

of admission, which is nothing. I agreed, agreed.

57:41

So we'll be back on Monday with

57:43

another episode of Something Or Other. Indeed

57:45

we will. Something or other. Who knows what it'll be? Exciting.

57:48

Who knows what the future holds? It's probably just another episode about

57:50

Alex. Probably. But until then, we have a website.

57:53

Indeed we do. It's KnowledgeVite.com. Yep, we're also on

57:55

Twitter. Not

57:57

on Blue Sky, though. Everybody talking about

57:59

Blue Sky.

57:59

I'm not on it. I'm getting off everything.

58:02

I don't even read fucking the Guardian

58:04

anymore. We're onto the hills. I'm done. All

58:07

right. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo.

58:10

I'm Leo. I'm DZX. Carks.

58:13

Oh, you know what?

58:16

And now here

58:18

comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas,

58:20

you're on the air.