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Look Mayer, Oh, I see you

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my own look over there

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is that culture. Yes, goodness wow,

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dong, Lost Culture races calling excuse

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my chewing friend.

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I'm just over here, you know,

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masticating on my trail mix. And

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we're very happy to have you

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guys masticate us in this bonus

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episode, just a.

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Little early, I guess, a little bonus episode. There

0:26

was pressing matters that we needed to get

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into the studio to address. One being

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We just recorded the categories

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for the Lost Culture Raceless Culture Awards this

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year and those will be revealed on

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May third, May third, this Friday,

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Friday, May third, and publish the season, I

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guess has truly begun.

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May is published season. The weather's nice.

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You want to go out there, hit the street,

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knock on doors, knock on doors, you

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know, wave your flags,

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babe, get your freak flag

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out. Flag it because it's published

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this season. It's actually a real culture number nine.

1:03

Get your free flag out, flag it.

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It's published the season.

1:07

We are You're never

1:09

gonna believe it, but giggling and tittling away,

1:12

we think we've really done something

1:14

this year with some of these categories. I mean, I'm

1:16

thinking of one right now, and just thinking of the

1:19

possibilities in flux of

1:22

campaigning that's going to happen for so many

1:24

But we can't say too much.

1:25

I mean, it's almost too exciting, I would

1:27

agree. I think it's really

1:30

really thrilling. That Lost culture is

1:34

I don't know, like we're out there.

1:36

We're out there. Lost culture is officially out

1:38

there. Okay, so listen, the true

1:40

truth, the true true, as was said

1:43

in the movie Cloud out Lists. Did you ever see the movie Cloud

1:45

out Lists?

1:45

Never?

1:45

Did I think you would actually like it

1:47

in a way where like you'd

1:49

be sort of like throwing your

1:51

hands up and knee slapping. Did you guys know

1:54

that Bowen Yang is a knee slapper. He's a

1:56

table hitter in a n ee slapper, And I really I

1:58

don't like knee slapping. There is something

2:00

really annoying and I really dislike this about

2:02

myself that I'm a table slapper, because if

2:04

you're at a table with other people, it does first

2:07

of all, it makes so much noise to a

2:09

distracting extent.

2:11

Second of all, like it's so it's

2:14

it feels like such a performance. But I

2:16

really do slap the table because I.

2:18

Do you're enjoying.

2:18

I can see it is like,

2:21

oh, like, how do I get this out of my system?

2:23

Your body experience is so much joy it has to

2:25

come out. And I think what people also don't

2:28

know about you is Bowen Yang's roger.

2:29

His stones are on his palms.

2:31

No, if you ever want to get him on, just

2:34

like Hi, I'm Susan and shake his hand. I'm

2:36

not

2:38

not that open, not that like oh

2:41

that, Oh god, you ever kept yourself going

2:43

like that?

2:43

You're ast Oh

2:46

I never want to see my O face.

2:48

I no one ever, I hope no one ever takes

2:51

a picture or films me.

2:52

You know what, I just.

2:53

Realized the O face I always

2:55

thought meant orgasm face, but

2:58

literally they mean the fact that you're mouth

3:00

makes the I think it's still Do

3:03

you think it's multipurpose? Do you think it's a thing

3:05

of like O faces, like, oh, like my

3:07

face is making the face by

3:09

the way we're doing each other in the eyes, and.

3:13

Oh, it's too

3:15

intimate for us. I think it's I

3:17

think or orgasm face.

3:19

I think it's very apropos

3:21

of the subject matter that we're gonna be talking about.

3:23

One think they

3:25

are a little have the walls

3:27

of intimacy knockdown.

3:29

It's crazy, you guys. This was

3:31

the other pressing matter. So I feel

3:33

that, you know, we've been so good about

3:35

the culture and the catching up, like it's always been

3:38

the two of us for the past like several months,

3:40

I feel like, but sometimes it

3:42

can feel like the culture is a little dry

3:45

and for the next few weeks we're gonna

3:47

have guests, so it's not gonna be culture catch up.

3:49

But we saw the movie Challengers, and

3:51

I was like, no, we have to convene to

3:53

the studio with us. We have to convene.

3:56

This was maybe my favorite movie, my favorite movie

3:58

ever I've seen. It's I

4:01

went on Thursday and Friday I went again immediately.

4:03

We saw it together on Friday. Can you describe

4:06

what happened at the end, Like with the audience.

4:08

Just sheers,

4:10

screams please you have to go see

4:12

this in the theater?

4:13

Yeah, you really do.

4:14

And you know what, like it was

4:16

a chatty crowd, especially

4:18

behind us, there was some chatter going

4:21

on and like all we did

4:23

this, this person I think literally

4:25

dined out on us, like turning around and

4:27

respectfully telling them just once

4:30

an hour and a half in in the movie to just

4:32

Hey. All I said was you can stop.

4:35

That's what I said. I said, three words, you did.

4:37

You were very good about it.

4:38

And then I think that she was a little lit

4:40

up from having been that person.

4:43

But honestly, I think that's

4:45

what is that, that's what she was going for.

4:48

That's what I don't want to get. I don't want to give too much

4:50

airtime to this person.

4:51

No.

4:52

She literally went out to animal after

4:54

the movie, and our friend Colin texted, I said, this

4:57

girl I'm talking to is bragging to everybody how you

4:59

guys yelled at her. And I'm I'm like, yeah, because her personality

5:01

fucking sucks confirmed, I mean whatever.

5:04

She was one of the many small characters

5:06

that popped during the experience of watching

5:08

challenges, even the ones I cared about were

5:10

on screen.

5:11

Even she could not get in the way of my experience

5:13

of loving this movie.

5:15

No, And I think that, like it's

5:17

been a while where the

5:19

entire audience exploded

5:22

in shearers at the end of a movie. Off

5:24

by the way, a polarizing ending

5:26

and an ending that makes a huge choice,

5:29

is all I'm saying.

5:30

I was reading some of like the headlines going into

5:32

the movie, like the ending, the ending, the ending, Like all these explainers

5:34

something like, is this gonna be a confusing, confounding

5:36

ending? And I really I think it's pretty

5:39

legible. No, it's not confusing at all.

5:41

I think it's just I'm gonna actually

5:43

call it Thelma and Louisa ish in the not

5:45

that extreme. But there's something that happens

5:48

that you just don't see coming and is sort of out

5:50

of left field.

5:50

Yeah, and it rock. I

5:52

loved it for me.

5:53

It pays off so much. I saw the cinema score as B plus,

5:56

which now that feels so low. But the

5:58

way that you can kind of gaze is

6:00

from yes, from the ending end, because it's the

6:02

last thing I seen before they're asked, what did you think of the

6:05

grade?

6:05

Would you give it to me?

6:07

If you love the ending,

6:09

it's gonna be canon for you, And

6:11

if you hate it, I feel like I can understand you being

6:13

like, no, I wanted it to be different just

6:16

for me, and I'm seeing for you too, perfect

6:19

ending. What a script like

6:22

this is a tight, bold,

6:24

always interesting, always fun,

6:27

sexy, sort.

6:29

Of giving timeless script. In many ways,

6:31

it's very timeless. I mean

6:33

that screenplay, like we talked about it afterwards.

6:36

I love a post movie if you're with your friends,

6:38

a post film sort of salon at a bar,

6:41

a restaurant. I had that with Josh after we saw

6:43

Parasite for the first time. We were like, we need to go somewhere and talk

6:45

about this. Yeah, And like I loved that part of

6:47

the experience, right. I love that we all went out like

6:49

afterwards and we're like, we need to discuss this.

6:51

Yeah.

6:52

But like I was telling everybody, I was like I

6:54

in the theater was like, I need to read the screenplay.

6:57

Yes, that was the first thing you said.

6:58

What it ends is specifically the moment when

7:00

you know it kind of like turns into the

7:02

ending. Basically, it's kind of like someone

7:05

call it an act break. Structurally depending

7:07

on who you ask. The way this whole

7:09

thing is executed is so I mean, that's just

7:12

Luca and Justin Kurtzky is

7:14

doing it like so perfectly together, like

7:16

a director really respecting

7:18

and exalting the script.

7:20

And taking the time to really

7:22

know the script as a director, and like it

7:25

just felt so lived in. I mean, I think

7:27

Luca Guada, you know, is the best.

7:30

I mean for me, it's just like, what's

7:33

so incredible about

7:35

him is he's just so good with character

7:38

because on the page, like I can see these

7:40

being tough characters to play. Zendeia,

7:43

Josh O'Connor and Mike Feist, the

7:45

three of them are perfect.

7:47

Yes, Zindeia is just smun

7:50

What even is it?

7:50

It's just like it is an intangible

7:53

movie star quality where I was watching

7:55

it and I was just so happy the whole time. I was

7:57

like, Wow, here's someone who I

8:00

see everything she does to me.

8:02

She's like going forward the way that I feel about

8:04

like or I'm sure people felt in the beginning

8:06

about like Sandra Bullock like or

8:08

like a Julia Yes, but

8:11

different because she's not giving the rom com

8:13

thing. She's giving a different vibe.

8:15

She's just so good. There are so many

8:17

moments in this movie and I don't want to ruin anything

8:20

where you realize just

8:22

how well she knows this person and

8:24

it's tough.

8:25

It's just it all pays off. It's hot as

8:27

shit.

8:27

Everyone in the movie is gorgeous, but in a

8:30

real looking way, not in like this like

8:32

intangible movie star way, which is not a nock

8:34

to them, but everyone feels

8:37

specific, real, lived

8:39

in like you can laugh the whole time. You

8:41

can also watch it as a drama. It's just it's there's

8:44

so much going on. Yeah, I

8:46

mean she kind of was

8:48

the draw for me. Well, they said this,

8:50

so they pulled the audience after everyone left,

8:52

and I said, what was the number one reason I was reading this?

8:55

It was a Deadline article about it, and fifty five

8:57

percent said the reason that they

8:59

saw the movie. The primary reason why I saw the

9:01

movie was Zindya. And we left

9:03

and I was like, people are going to talk about this

9:05

movie. I think this is going to be a sleeper summer

9:08

big one if they decide to keep it in theaters,

9:10

and I know there's already a plan for it to go to

9:13

Amazon Prime. I get

9:15

the appeal of that. You're

9:17

like, oh, that's a movie I can watch on Amazon Prime.

9:20

Do yourself a favor and go to this theater, like

9:22

have this like particular like cathartic

9:25

experience that happens with the movie theater.

9:27

Like it's also that it almost felt like.

9:29

Watching a horror movie with an audience, and that everyone

9:31

was reacting to every yeah

9:33

yeah.

9:34

Yea, yeah yeah yeah.

9:35

She just she's

9:37

such a home run and it's so interesting to hear her talk about

9:39

impressed. Like, first of all, she's been doing a

9:42

lot all of it, but in these I think she's

9:44

being very real and vulnerable in

9:46

these moments where she's like, no, I'm very

9:49

nervous about this because this is my

9:51

first time leading a movie technically, and.

9:52

Like porton roll for her, wow, And I

9:55

hadn't thought of that.

9:55

I was like, oh, I guess between like Spider

9:57

Man and Euphoria, you're like, she

10:00

has not been number one on.

10:02

The call sheet.

10:03

I mean, this is a real movie for

10:05

a film, for a film, Yeah, for Euphoria, that's

10:07

more of an ensemble even Yeah, Euphoria

10:09

is very ensemble. She's obviously the star of it, so

10:11

she has had that. But

10:14

this is a huge part for her because she

10:16

has to not only be number one on the call sheet

10:18

and sell this movie, but also it's

10:20

a tough character, tough character walk.

10:22

So much of it is internal. That

10:24

character does not have that much dialogue if you

10:26

think about it, especially that moment

10:29

in the end where I want to like see how it's written on the

10:31

page, Like all three of them have

10:33

something internal, like I switched flips

10:35

in them. Internally, It's like a tennis match between three

10:37

and three people. It's yeah, and

10:40

it's actually written that way. So I actually

10:42

did start reading the script. I found

10:44

it Patrick sent it to me house

10:47

and he sent it to me, and it's written actually

10:51

pretty differently than he looks on the screen. Like

10:53

it's just interesting, Like I wonder Luca

10:55

is obviously just very clear about what he

10:58

wants and like how he sees something, because you

11:00

could read the script and it could

11:03

kind of read and I don't mean this in a bad

11:05

way, but it could kind of read like

11:07

a total drama or what not even that like

11:09

more of like a comedy, like more of like a frilly

11:12

comedy, like for example, like when

11:14

Zendiya in the very beginning. Okay,

11:17

so this is not a spoiler, but I'm just gonna describe

11:19

her attitude in the very beginning.

11:20

So Zendia plays like this woman who's.

11:22

Like pretty tough, she's pretty brash, Like she

11:24

delivers information like pretty straight

11:27

up, you know what I mean. And I

11:30

think on the page that could come

11:33

off a little bit like more one

11:35

dimensional in like a comedy way.

11:37

Does that make sense?

11:37

Where it could be like she just she serves

11:39

this purpose in the script to like be

11:42

hard and cold and the coach and like,

11:44

yeah, the information she delivers could be read

11:46

as like just solely comedic, but Zendia

11:49

and Luca are giving her so much

11:51

texture. And in the very beginning of the

11:53

movie she doesn't even have a lot of speaking

11:55

in the beginning, but you know exactly who she is. And

11:57

that's a testament to Luca and Zendiya.

12:00

And I'm telling you, like every

12:02

character in some way is like that.

12:04

It just could have been not

12:07

as real. Yeah, And that's like one

12:09

of my biggest compliments is that everyone

12:11

in this movie is super real. And I'm not even just

12:13

talking about the three leads. I mean all

12:16

the small characters are memorable

12:19

and pop because of the detail.

12:20

M hm, you know what I'm saying. It's kind

12:22

of cool what I was thinking about. The writer justin

12:25

Kurtzky's like Selene Song's husband.

12:27

Yeah, and it's just like he is kind

12:29

of that guy in Past Lives

12:32

essentially, like he has been like

12:34

there's been a stand in for him in one of her

12:36

movies. That would make you kind of like that

12:39

character is so fascinating

12:41

in Past Lives to me, like the guy she ends

12:43

up with, like the American guy that she ends up

12:45

that she meets like on like a fellowship sort of

12:47

like, and they do the same thing in the movie.

12:50

They do the same thing in the movie. That's how I think they met

12:52

through that.

12:53

I think, well, even if it's not directly

12:56

that they met at like something like that, they do

12:58

have the same profession right right when. And

13:00

I was wondering if that was I'm not sure, I

13:02

don't recall, but anyway, I just love that

13:04

he like has this

13:06

film is like something that exists,

13:09

like sort of oh my god, that kind of like it

13:11

speaks to past lives in

13:13

a way to me, Like I'm like, oh, like, the

13:16

guy is this amazingly talented writer in

13:18

his own right.

13:18

I just found that interesting.

13:20

You know, that is kind of interesting how the movie speak

13:22

to each other. Yeah, past lives and challengers

13:25

you have something in women, two

13:28

guys, one girl or whatever not. You know, I

13:30

was kind of thinking of it as May December coded.

13:32

No, it's past live coded. Definitely past

13:35

lives coded. But when I was leaving, I was like, so

13:37

that felt like May December to me. And in that

13:39

it's about three characters in this sort of triangular

13:42

relationship and all of them are very

13:44

morally gray, Yes, and I think

13:46

that there's also like a tug of war that's

13:49

happening here.

13:50

Just really interesting. And I want more

13:52

movies like that.

13:53

I know, so bad, like those three movies that

13:55

we just talked about, like real drama,

13:57

real stakes in relationship,

14:00

an interesting character. This

14:02

is why I'm like, please go see this movie in the theater.

14:04

Please let them know that this is

14:06

something we want more of, because

14:09

this is actually good stuff. Yeah,

14:12

really good, really compelling. Makes you think.

14:15

I bet people have different reads on all these characters

14:17

at a given time, of course, because

14:20

that screenplay is giving

14:23

the audience just enough of a question

14:25

mark to like fill in their own lengths

14:27

and stuff. Yeah, Trent Reznor Aleicus

14:29

Ross that come on one of the I think that's their

14:31

best score.

14:33

I made a.

14:34

Summer playlist called Beautiful

14:36

Blonde, care Free Summa, and I immediately

14:38

added yeah times ten yeah, which

14:40

is the song that plays when Zendeia is

14:42

introduced as a young tennis

14:45

pro.

14:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever

14:50

it is.

14:50

Yeah, I was like, that needs to be on my big

14:52

beautiful summer, big blonde beautiful.

14:55

It's not big blone beautiful summer. I'm not big blonde

14:57

and beautiful like the Harris Price soundtrack.

15:00

Yes, I am big one and beautiful

15:02

anyway, Yeah, I put it on my summer playlist.

15:04

I was like, that is a this whole thing is a vibe.

15:07

Yeah.

15:07

We were just listening to it. Actually, I know I was playing,

15:09

let this be part of the lore for Lost Culture.

15:11

Yeah.

15:11

When we were putting together the categories, I

15:13

was playing the entirety of the Challengers.

15:15

Yes, and our brains were working.

15:17

Yeah, and look I felt very, very

15:21

activated.

15:31

Now.

15:32

I think it's in describing these three films.

15:35

I think there is something going on in the culture

15:37

now where the triangle is.

15:39

The triangles back to. It's the year of

15:42

the threesome, of the threesome. It's the year.

15:44

Of the weird

15:47

relationship between three people.

15:49

MM know it.

15:51

No, if anyone out there has instincts, follow

15:53

them destroy your relationship

15:56

by bringing in a chaotic third.

15:58

Look, we do it now.

15:59

You and I have a little chaotic third in our mits,

16:01

little Studie.

16:02

Green running around.

16:03

Absolute but

16:06

no, honestly, Like, one thing I

16:09

really liked about it was it

16:11

was really casual about

16:13

how these two straight quote unquote straight.

16:16

Guys made out. Were like, oh

16:18

yeah, well they fully like I don't

16:20

know.

16:20

I don't think it's a spoiler to say it goes somewhere

16:22

between them, because it's just

16:25

really fun the way

16:27

that they did it, where there was no weird

16:29

homophobia.

16:31

That wasn't even in the movie.

16:33

It wasn't even in the air it was I

16:35

never thought for one second like, oh, this

16:37

is gonna be weird because they're two guys.

16:39

But it serves a purpose in the characterization

16:42

and in the story. It's like the moment that

16:44

this thing happens, it is

16:47

purely still center around the other

16:49

character. Yes, it completely speaks

16:51

to like the way this character like sees these two

16:53

people and like the way she wants to manipulate them.

16:55

It's like so good. It's not

16:57

gratuitous. It's not like, oh God, are

16:59

we like jerking into two guys kissing,

17:02

Like is that what's going on here?

17:03

No, it's so important.

17:06

I think what's so fucking great about

17:08

this movie is you understand,

17:11

like when you really think about it afterwards,

17:13

like what Zendaya's character,

17:16

Tashi Duncan, by the way, great fucking

17:19

name, Tashi Duncan, what

17:22

her desire is is to

17:24

just watch dynamics.

17:27

She just like she thrives

17:30

off watching that push

17:32

and pull between other people,

17:35

like and she likes to be a part of it herself. Like

17:37

I don't know, it's just it's a fascinating

17:39

character.

17:40

Yeah.

17:40

And the tennis of it all like really

17:43

works in not in a heavy handed way,

17:46

you know what I mean, because sometimes it's like, oh,

17:48

they're dueling over her, like it's a tennis

17:50

match, Like I can see that on paper, being

17:52

like her, But it

17:55

works so well, like all the little

17:57

micro metaphors in tennis as a thing,

18:00

like the fact

18:02

that like the script works

18:04

as this story of their life, which

18:06

honestly, in many ways has been a volley

18:08

back and forth, like at the act breaks,

18:11

like they follow this one tennis

18:13

match that's happening in the present day, and they flash

18:15

back in different parts of time, and the

18:17

act breaks like always go back to the

18:20

tennis match, and that person who's winning in the

18:22

relationship is winning in the game. Like just

18:24

fun little things like that

18:26

that work.

18:26

The match point of it is like so perfect,

18:29

like yeah, there's something final to it.

18:31

Yeah, and it.

18:32

Doesn't feel like pat and it feels like thrilling

18:34

and it works and it you know, it's like any

18:38

really good sports movie you're invested.

18:41

But I mean, any really good sports

18:43

movie is angering that to emotions

18:45

and to stakes, because obviously

18:48

the stakes are they gonna win and lose, but the

18:50

fact that the relationship stakes are so much

18:52

higher that leads into the ending. It's

18:54

just it is the perfect

18:57

version of this kind of movie.

18:58

Yeah, totally.

19:00

I do love that Tashi

19:02

character, like literally

19:04

loving launching the dynamics to the point where she is

19:07

like has the notebook out, watching

19:10

replay on all the games,

19:12

taking notes, writing down numbers.

19:14

You're like, this is all she cares about.

19:16

It's not just like in the script it's like, oh, all she cares

19:18

about his tennis, but it is actually more about

19:20

the meta game. She

19:23

cares about the meta game. She literally is

19:25

playing a meta game over the course of many, many

19:27

years.

19:28

Yeah.

19:28

And also just the focus

19:30

that he keeps on her as the lead

19:33

while also like fully flushing out

19:35

these two other characters. Like there's like

19:37

I just said, the frame of the movie is this

19:39

one tennis match that's happening in the present

19:41

day of the film, and Zendeia

19:45

has no dialogue. She's just

19:47

sitting there watching the game. Yeah,

19:49

but he as the director and she has the actress

19:51

are so good that

19:53

you know emotionally where she is

19:56

at in a small way and

19:58

in a larger way the entire higher

20:00

time, like just the shots, the

20:02

editing, the editing must

20:05

be like given accolades here,

20:07

Yes, because it is really

20:09

tense, really fun, really

20:12

engrossing and you don't miss

20:14

anything. Like the things that are

20:16

iconic about this movie are based in

20:19

character and script and such as

20:21

the.

20:21

Ball and they're all very

20:23

intimate. Yes, and it's and tennis is

20:25

kind of an intimate game. I mean not kind

20:28

of it. It literally is an intimate game between

20:30

two people max four or whatever.

20:32

But like your arenas are smaller than like any

20:34

other sport. But like the big moments

20:36

like let's say, like you know them all

20:38

making out in the hotel room, right, that is

20:41

small. That is a Blood Orange music

20:43

video literally like Blood Orange is playing in

20:45

the background like diegetically,

20:47

like playing from someone's phone. And so Josh Sharp

20:49

says, well, that song came out in twenty in

20:52

twenty thirteen, so eighteen

20:54

years later, the movie takes place in the present day

20:56

of twenty thirty one. Oh my

20:58

god, yeah, he caught a little get caught that said,

21:01

oh, you know, what's great about that scene too, like that when

21:03

they start hooking up altogether, is.

21:05

It's literally born

21:07

out of a conversation that we watch

21:10

happen. It's like, what's so great

21:12

about that scene is you understand

21:15

why it goes there because they've just had

21:17

this conversation that's really disarming

21:19

and charming.

21:20

Yes, and sexy, and but

21:22

she plays that so like the genius.

21:24

She's getting them to say all of these really

21:28

kind of embarrassing things they're sharing.

21:31

They're sharing stories about the first time they've like jerked

21:33

off and stuff.

21:34

It's like she's getting them. She's perfect.

21:36

She has this ferocity where she gets them

21:39

to like spill and then she like

21:41

the puppet strings are there from the beginning.

21:43

Yes, And what is so different

21:46

about that than other things that

21:48

get sort of like, you know, this reputation

21:52

for being like salacious or like whatever

21:54

is It's like you're not just walking someone walk

21:57

up to someone in a backyard and then.

21:59

Eating their pussy. They're on their period, right,

22:01

know what I mean?

22:01

Like you're actually like watching why

22:04

this unfold and it's believable, Like

22:06

it's not just this stunty thing of like, oh,

22:09

he's fucking a grave not to keep

22:11

dragging this movie. But this is why,

22:14

this is why the script really matters, is

22:16

because we're seeing it executed

22:18

in a way that's born out of character, and therefore we actually

22:21

are scandalized and actually we can

22:23

remember this in a real way, in a

22:25

way that can emotionally.

22:27

Work for us.

22:27

Speaking of character, because I've heard you say this and I really

22:29

think around to something talk about how

22:32

even the quote unquote minor characters

22:34

in this film are so impactful, Sean

22:36

you remember them.

22:37

It's all in the details, all the details.

22:39

It's all the performances, down to the woman

22:41

who like registers Josh O'Connor.

22:43

Yes, there's a detail about everyone.

22:45

Yeah, and this is what I'm saying. It's like, so

22:47

in the.

22:47

Very first the gay couple at the

22:49

hotel, there's a gay couple in a hotel who have

22:52

like a hilarious like two line exchange

22:54

and there's something that like one of them the

22:57

other on the back and the sound editing.

22:58

You really hear the slash, which is so funny

23:01

to me, Like for example, like there's

23:03

a woman who's checking him into

23:05

the one of the actors, one of the characters

23:08

rather into the tennis tournament, and

23:10

it's about a million other things just besides

23:13

that transaction that's a guess.

23:14

What I'm saying is totally there is.

23:16

So much color and detail and

23:19

the director doesn't cut

23:21

any of it. I understand sometimes

23:23

why you just want to get to information

23:25

in movies, like and things should move, but

23:28

information, character and detail matters.

23:30

It's like kind of like why they

23:32

say, like.

23:33

In a romantic movie, spend

23:35

time on us watching them fall in love,

23:37

you know what I mean, don't just be like

23:40

they met there in a relationship. Honestly,

23:43

there's movies I could drag that do this, but

23:45

I won't detail matters

23:47

like relationship matters, like things

23:49

that you might deem as superfluous because they're

23:51

not quote unquote moving story forward.

23:54

Like we didn't need to watch the woman that

23:56

worked at the hotel struggle with the snack

23:59

machine.

23:59

What do you call that? Oh yeah, the vending machine.

24:02

Like we didn't need that, but like it

24:04

did help.

24:05

We watched the interaction and he couldn't get a room,

24:07

you know what I mean, Like, I don't know, it's just little

24:09

things. The character of the year for me is

24:11

Helen. Helen's a Tinder date that Josh

24:13

O'Connor goes on and.

24:14

It's from the moment you see

24:17

here on the phone screen Haley Gates.

24:19

Haley Gates, we went to college with her. I

24:21

was so shook when I realized it was her.

24:23

Oh my god, she was

24:25

it. I think that's the comedy performance of the

24:27

year.

24:28

We were screaming, laughing.

24:31

It was just so funny.

24:32

It's so good, this performance of trying

24:34

to be interesting on a tinder date but you're

24:36

not. Like and also like where

24:38

that scene ultimately goes again, this is another

24:40

character that's in one scene of the movie, maybe

24:43

seven lines of dialogue.

24:44

It's giving Sandra and the Princess diaries. Yes

24:47

it is, say it anyway,

24:49

like, I mean, what else. The

24:51

boys are fucking amazing. Boys are amazing.

24:53

Josh O'Connor would have won the

24:55

Melanie Lynsky Award for Best Fake American Accident

24:58

and anything.

24:59

Honestly teamless less. He's

25:01

so talented, he's so good.

25:03

And Mike Feist I have been officially

25:05

one over, like I fucking

25:07

loved in West Side Story. Now I'm like,

25:10

oh yeah, I'm on

25:12

board forever.

25:14

Huh. And also just like how comfortable

25:16

they were with each other.

25:17

You bought that best friendship from

25:20

the beginning, and guess what, because

25:22

of the details and because of how

25:25

much we believed it in the beginning,

25:27

that really helped when the relationship

25:30

got difficult and dark and nonexistent, Like

25:32

because the relationship details really

25:34

matter, Like it matters how close they sit

25:36

together, it matters them sharing food,

25:39

It matters like how quickly they

25:41

walk places together, like you know

25:43

what I mean, Like the way that they sort

25:45

of match each other in energy, like laying

25:48

back and like watching her play tennis at the same

25:50

time, like the way they exist

25:53

sharing a hotel room. You know, it's

25:55

just so many things that

25:57

are specific and great that

26:00

are to be loved about this movie.

26:01

And it's so fucking gay without trying,

26:04

and it's so fucking sexy without even

26:06

really showing one exact sacccene.

26:08

You don't see any sex scenes,

26:11

you see making out, you see

26:13

like the suggestions of something starting

26:15

and you see that something has ended. You don't see

26:17

any fucking.

26:19

In this revie.

26:20

And it's still the horniest, hottest movie of the

26:22

year and the gayest something about

26:24

it's not the gayest movie of the year, but it's queer coded

26:27

and fun in that way.

26:28

We have to shout out Jonathan Anderson fucking

26:31

slay in the costume design. Oh

26:34

yeah, I told your shirt. Zendeia's look.

26:36

I mean it's it's all giving, like Josh's

26:38

nasty plaid shorts during the mask. Well,

26:41

it's all giving, like slight

26:43

layer of Louive.

26:45

But that's it.

26:45

He's not gonna let Louive dominate

26:48

this movie, you know what I mean. Right, he's like such

26:50

a good as sponsor. No, but Jonathan Anderson

26:52

is luave. Oh he's a leave

26:54

guy. Oh he Oh, I don't know that that's

26:56

his. That's his, that's his. Oh perfect, So

26:59

he fucking he's so.

27:01

I mean, he's like the fashion designer right

27:04

now, and like for him to costume

27:06

design for this in a way that is that respects

27:08

the medium. It is not like fashion

27:10

overtaking this except for that I

27:12

told your shirt, which is like everyone's gonna wear and I actually

27:15

please everyone wear that shirt.

27:17

I mean they're on the way for us

27:21

order them.

27:21

The thing that that shirt does in this movie is

27:23

so good that I'm like, I don't care. Everyone

27:26

should wear it. Like it's not a thing where I'm like,

27:28

oh god, like eye roll, like someone's wearing that.

27:30

But it's like, no, this is such

27:32

a great subtle touch

27:35

in this movie that ends up being like a device.

27:37

But I think like the first time you see it, you're like, oh, whatever,

27:39

random like random thing. I'm just like just

27:42

the costumes throughout so damn

27:44

good. Loved it so much.

27:45

The score. I need a DJ night

27:48

of just the challenge. Just play

27:50

the Challenger score. We're bopping our heads.

27:52

I said I would go to I would go to these parties

27:54

if like they played that, like literally.

27:58

Spin challenges. If you want me to be at your event.

28:01

Bactasia should do a

28:03

Challenger's theme, tie, I should do a

28:05

Challenger's boat like all Queer night

28:07

Life should do something with challengers.

28:09

Yeah, get into the conversation too,

28:11

because we're watching it happen. We're watching something

28:13

yet if something is here, to stay

28:15

with it. Yeah, you know what I mean. Syndeya,

28:27

she's so stunning.

28:30

Yeah in a way that's just like you

28:33

genuinely could watch her experience anything

28:36

like I would watch her in any type of

28:38

movie. I would watch her like in any type

28:40

of role. She's just fun to

28:42

watch the scene where she sits down at

28:44

the tree. I don't want to give anything away. It

28:46

was giving like timeless movie

28:49

Star. Oh yeah, it was giving, like and also

28:51

the way he was lighting her, because remember this

28:53

guy is like if you don't know now you know he did

28:55

call me by your name. He's so great

28:58

at like he just makes a choice

29:01

that keeps the movie

29:03

stunning and beautiful but also never loses

29:05

narrative and catches a lot you know who I have it

29:07

also a compliment with.

29:08

This andrew On. Oh yeah, like

29:10

the directors that like put you in a pillow.

29:13

Yeah. The movie that.

29:14

We were in Fire Island, I believe was

29:17

very elevated by the detail

29:20

and the scope that it picked up

29:22

of the surroundings so that you

29:24

were always aware of place.

29:26

Yeah.

29:26

And what I love about this movie so

29:29

much too is how much parking

29:31

lot and making out there is. I

29:34

love the hotel culture, you

29:36

know what I mean, Like it's got this sense

29:39

of real place when you think about

29:41

what these people actually must do, which

29:43

is they spend a fuck ton of time at hotels

29:46

and practicing and.

29:48

Like eating out on the road. Yeah, you

29:50

know what I mean, Like there's just so much like

29:52

you don't even know where these people live. It

29:54

doesn't matter. Their daughter is like

29:57

an afterthought in a way that's kind.

29:58

Of fine, but in a way where you're also like,

30:01

the daughter is kind of you don't need

30:03

that daughter to be realized anymore than she is

30:05

in the film where it's like she wants

30:07

to watch Spider Verse, Yes, which I thought

30:09

was also a cute Deeaier.

30:10

I liked it.

30:11

She loves Hotel. I love that detail, Like, yeah,

30:13

the daughter likes she feels safe there.

30:15

That's what I'm talking about, what I mean, Yes, and

30:17

the mom just kind of being around, Like

30:19

you don't really like the mom's India and Tasha

30:22

don't need to have like a deep revealing

30:25

conversation. It says everything that she is there,

30:27

that she is like part of their lives in

30:29

that specific way. Yeah, where she's

30:31

just there to a child, we are no problem,

30:34

do you know.

30:34

What I mean? One hundred percent.

30:35

And also I'm realizing now, like because there's a thing

30:38

with the mom where Joshua Connor says

30:40

to Zendea, your mom looks good, and Zendaea goes,

30:42

I know she does, Patrick, and I was

30:44

just like, that is such

30:46

an that's a great line.

30:49

It's like, I mean, Zendia

30:51

has an iconic line which is I'm taking such

30:53

good care of my.

30:54

Little white boys.

30:55

I was like, not only is this movie tight structurally,

30:58

it's really fun of

31:00

dialogue like things.

31:03

Just it doesn't feel bad. It doesn't feel written.

31:05

No, it doesn't. And I would compliment obviously

31:08

everyone involved for that. But these

31:11

actors are and I mean this in the

31:13

best sense throwing it away.

31:14

It is it is so lived in and

31:16

earned. And there's long

31:18

scenes in this movie too, but they don't

31:21

feel long because of the pacing that the score

31:23

brings in and like, I don't know, it's and

31:25

looking good this motion in every scene.

31:27

Not to mention cinematography where

31:29

I didn't even feel like it was that

31:31

on the nose for the volleys to happen,

31:34

do you know what I mean? I get it, it's a tennis

31:36

movie, but it's like, but like the camera moves are like are

31:39

so pronounced, but they totally

31:41

fit with what's being said, with what the

31:44

dynamic is. Look in the scene

31:46

like in the dorm between Joshun's and Deya. Yeah,

31:48

like that whole argument that it kind

31:51

of devolves into, I'm like, wait, that was

31:53

perfect, Like, yeah, it came in just the right

31:55

time. It wasn't too indulgent. It happened

31:57

for like a couple seconds where it's clear the audience

32:00

by the way, one shot, by the way, I know, I love that,

32:02

but it's so clear to the audience, like what's going on. It

32:05

met the audience where it's at. It doesn't try to like

32:08

handhold too much. It also doesn't try

32:10

to like be so vaunted

32:13

in an unreachable place that you're like, oh,

32:16

how do I engage with that?

32:18

Yeah? You know what I mean.

32:19

Yeah, it's the real crowd pleaser of a movie

32:21

that feels like so

32:23

artistically lush and chewy

32:26

or whatever.

32:26

Yeah, and you don't need to be like a tennis fan

32:28

to enjoy it either, Like, in fact, if you are

32:30

a tennis fan, that's I guess where one

32:32

criticism I've heard is coming in is like, I

32:35

guess the tennis in the movie is not satisfying

32:38

tennis people. I had one person say

32:40

to me who plays tennis all the time, that

32:43

zendais form was bothering

32:45

him. And then I had another person who plays

32:47

tennis all the time say that she had

32:49

the best form, and I'm like, I wish I want to use

32:51

that at tennis, because that just means one of the

32:53

people that talk to me sucks and

32:55

if you're listening to this, you might suck.

32:57

Oh. I don't know, someone who's an ex

33:00

experts should weigh in, but yeah, yeah, apparently

33:02

Josh's form was wild, but I thought that worked.

33:04

That totally works with the canter.

33:05

I feel like Zendaya must

33:07

have through a character filter,

33:10

must have put in the work to make sure that Tashi's

33:12

formally.

33:13

She said on Kelly Clarkson because Kelly was like,

33:15

did y'all become the best test player of all time? Because

33:17

I was watching this, like y'all can really play tennis,

33:19

and Zendia was like, I wish I could say I

33:22

was even adept at tennis,

33:24

but apparently Ci,

33:26

yeah, there was never a real ball, and she was

33:29

like, I just looked at it like dance training. But

33:31

what I had heard was that Zendaia's

33:34

forearm is is that it

33:36

comes from under too much, and that it's like she

33:38

needs to be on top of the ball a little bit more. Is what

33:40

one person said to me. But again, that person

33:42

could be one of tennis's worst

33:45

players.

33:45

Oh stop, But also, Zendia is working with

33:47

some live limbs.

33:50

Live would be one word, and so of.

33:52

Course it's gonna look a little a little

33:55

gangly isn't the right word, but you know what I mean,

33:57

Like she's got the longest arms and legs

33:59

ever.

34:00

Lithe would be one word to describe Somedia.

34:02

It's actually a really coloch number one hundred. Live

34:05

would be one way, one word to describe the

34:07

day. So I'm feeling like maybe it's pronounced that way, and

34:09

so it kind of.

34:09

Like limb shoes

34:12

Winso.

34:13

Take a queen, it's your film.

34:15

I can't wait for that part of the movie. I really

34:18

I sing it.

34:19

Oh my god. I just literally gagged for a second.

34:21

I was just like, WHOA.

34:23

I do have a fantasy that, like the movie pivots

34:25

to your perspective and that you are the lead.

34:27

I think there is a Rosencranson, Gilden Sterner

34:29

and Dead sequel potential to Wicked

34:32

where it's just there is it's Fanny and Chuenchin

34:34

sort of being like out in os like when no,

34:36

oh, this is the idea. It's Fanny and Tension. Once Dorothy

34:39

comes to Oz, like, everyone's

34:41

like a twitter, like, oh my god, this bitch just landed,

34:43

like she's I heard she's fears this bitch just

34:46

and it's like me and

34:48

Shenshin. It's Fanny and Tenson just like trying

34:50

to look for Dorothy while she's and then once they get to the Emerald

34:53

City.

34:53

She's gone.

34:53

Oh man, it's kind of like a waiting for

34:55

you Goodjoe, except we're like chasing after it.

34:57

Yeah.

34:58

No, that's really good. That's not bad, right, Oh, it's

35:00

actually art. Thank you much

35:02

of what you just said pretty

35:05

much all the time. Wow, oh

35:07

you know what? We didn't do what? And we can do

35:09

this for the end of this episode, because

35:12

how much more do we have to say? I mean, everyone needs to go see everyone

35:14

needs to see it. Just go if you haven't gone already. And also

35:17

not for nothing, be like me and go a second

35:19

time because it's just as good as time.

35:21

I know.

35:21

I can't wait to see it again. Bring your friend that

35:23

you love to watch react to stuff. You know how

35:25

oftentimes you have that like favorite person that

35:28

you love to see laugh

35:30

first, or like react to something first, or

35:32

like that. Bring that person that

35:34

you're excited about seeing it to

35:36

this movie period.

35:40

That's a great bit of advice. Yeah,

35:42

because this is this is one of those movies that you like

35:45

feel okay.

35:47

So one thing we could do, because

35:49

we forgot to do, is pick out a new year for the

35:51

next oh, excavation. We

35:53

don't have the bucket. But

35:56

what we could do is we could

35:59

okay, random number generator, random

36:01

number generator. Oh wow, this doesn't

36:03

app for everything. Minimum, So the minimum

36:06

is it was okay, so let's

36:08

just say nineteen seventy five to

36:11

twenty twenty.

36:13

No, let's do nineteen seventy three to twenty

36:15

twenty three. Okay, okay, okay, that's okay,

36:17

all right, generate ready, generate. Here

36:19

we go, nineteen seventy

36:21

nine. This is our first year that we've

36:24

done. That is before us being born.

36:26

Nineteen seventy Okay, so we're about to

36:28

do some research.

36:30

This could be really fun for everybody

36:32

in the class. Becca,

36:35

if there's time, could

36:37

you make it just a little a sour or starter of

36:39

a document for us? Thank you so much?

36:42

Wow now, and then and then from there we can disorder.

36:44

It's because bowen Yang is going to be very

36:46

busy May and June, and he

36:48

forgets I'm not well.

36:51

No. I also respect your time and

36:53

that you would want to use your time the way you want to use it.

36:55

And you've had a very busy winter.

36:57

And can I say when I say this stuff about

36:59

myself is bit about Bowen Yang being the busiest

37:01

woman in Hollywood and me like getting a tan. I

37:04

am just I'm not dragging

37:06

my but the audience. But the audience hears

37:08

it and things, oh well, well,

37:11

they they must either think, oh ha, he's being

37:13

funny, or like, lol, I wish

37:15

he wouldn't do that. That's what he's being mean to himself,

37:17

or they think flop fag.

37:20

We hate Matt Rogers. He's so annoying.

37:22

I don't understand. I don't want you to ever

37:24

let that listen.

37:26

I completely respect all camps.

37:29

I don't completely respect all camps, but I completely acknowledge

37:31

that knowledge camp. Where I'm telling you you should

37:33

be is probably somewhere in between the business.

37:36

Are you worried about me?

37:37

Always?

37:38

But I'm fine. Anything

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else to say about Challenges, No, I think it

37:43

was the greatest film I've ever seen.

37:46

Yeah, between Challengers in May December

37:48

and past Las, we just said that's

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a trifecta that should be studying.

37:52

The trifector have triangles.

37:54

I really like that, and I would actually

37:56

I would like to teach the college course.

37:58

Oh, I would like to.

37:59

Teach a cultural and also on those three movies

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and how they speak to each other, because you know what

38:03

gets unwieldy is if it's I'm

38:06

literally doing a movie that's this though, but it's

38:08

of two couples, like Who's Afraid

38:10

of Virginia?

38:11

Wolf gets a little like I even though that

38:13

is like one of the great plays in great films, like

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four is a little like it's tough to manage

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four? Right?

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Yeah? Three is that ooh person?

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Is that beautiful? Three? Is that good?

38:23

Good? Number?

38:24

Three is really

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one of the numbers that but you

38:30

get to first when you start counting. Yes,

38:32

if you think about that one, two,

38:34

three, you are already there.

38:36

You don't have to go far. Give it a couple

38:38

numbers, you'll get to three. You'll get there. Stick

38:41

with it, stick with it.

38:43

But you know that's why Brittany didn't call her song

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four and Beyonce called it four,

38:47

but for different reasons, Brittany called it three.

38:49

Well, yeah, I mean, I

38:51

do want to say.

38:52

One of my favorite parts of the Renaissance Tour was

38:55

in the in the section where the theme is wedding.

38:57

As Matt Waker likes to say yeah before

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she sings love on Top, or before she sings

39:02

rather Die Young or something. She just

39:04

goes, y'all want to hear something off my album four,

39:07

and that's I love I love it. I love hearing her say

39:10

four.

39:10

I think it's her favorite.

39:12

At one of the shows, I could have sworn

39:15

watching video, I hear her say my favorite album

39:17

four, and that was really shocking. But maybe

39:19

this has not actually been documented and confirmed.

39:21

Well back in the day when she was

39:24

like promoing for she

39:26

performed One plus one on American Idol and

39:28

she introduced it like this, this is my

39:30

favorite song one plus one. She

39:32

said that, So I don't know if one one one

39:34

is still her favorite song. It's up there, though.

39:37

I love one plus one, love one plus one. I'll

39:39

never forget seeing one plus

39:41

one's.

39:42

Cardis Show worlds her well.

39:44

Then end in Renaissance World

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tour was amazing. But I

39:48

saw it at the Roseland Ballroom when she

39:50

was pregnant and no one knew and

39:53

Jay was there and she was sitting on the piano

39:55

and it was a really small audience and she ripped

39:59

it apart vocally,

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emotionally, just

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woo. We

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had every episode with a song. Oh

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no, I don't think it's Honey Out a bonus episode.

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You're a ring on it, I'm

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won a ring on. We

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didn't even do the dance.

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It's okay.

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It's first and foremost of the song Bye,