0:01

Look mare, Oh, I see you

0:03

my owne Bowen. Look over there

0:05

is that culture. Yes, wow,

0:08

lost culture, lost

0:11

cultures calling we

0:14

are what do we do? This

0:16

is a very interesting setup

0:19

setup, for lack of a better word, we

0:21

are sitting across the dining

0:23

room from each other and Bowen, let's just say

0:25

it, right here, right now, has a long one. Bowen

0:27

Yang has got a long one. The culture number

0:30

fifteen a long

0:32

one. I do mean dining room table,

0:34

but we are.

0:35

Pretty average sized.

0:36

I would say, listen, specific

0:40

take the goddamn it. I'm here

0:42

saying you got an hour draw along quote

0:44

unquote dining room table. I

0:46

was actually talking about the dining room table. We're

0:49

across from it, looking at each other. Very fifty

0:51

states of grave. I still giving oh any shades

0:53

of grass.

0:54

We also have recorded in the past in

0:56

a similar setup position me here, I'm

0:59

saying this is also very very power Couple,

1:01

which is the web series Lots

1:03

and Sudi Green.

1:04

We've talked about this on the pod before, but I just can't.

1:06

Believe that our reference in Power

1:08

Couple was so clear that you'd

1:10

go from fifty shades of great right to power Couple.

1:12

Thank you, sister, Everyone go on YouTube.

1:14

Look up Power Couple justin Britney, Matt

1:16

Rodgers, Cudi Green, directed by Peter Kelly.

1:19

We've really known each other a long time, haven't

1:21

we. We've seen him memories, We've

1:24

seen many seasons of each other, haven't

1:26

we. Speaking of seasons, it's Pride

1:28

month. Speaking seasons, It's Pride month. It's finally

1:31

Pride month. July, Finally July,

1:34

the year when I'm sorry, the month

1:36

west No, I think I write the first time. July

1:39

is the yearly year when

1:43

Harvey Milk assassinated Adolf

1:45

Hitler. Thank god my

1:47

girl came through.

1:48

We smoked a little little.

1:51

I would say we smoked a lot because we're preparing,

1:54

we're strapping in. There's a lot going

1:56

on, a lot going on at the moment. We

1:58

have title of it. By

2:02

the way, Jared is here as an audience slash.

2:04

He's gonna come in later. We have him. He's a special correspondent

2:07

to a very special cultural issue we have.

2:09

I think this culture issue will take the entire

2:12

real estate of the episode.

2:13

You don't know that yet. We haven't even brought it up yet. I

2:15

have you know what I haven't even done yet. What cucko

2:18

what a sick mind. Well, here we go. We're already

2:20

now we're talking yet, Okay,

2:22

what what are we preparing for? What are we strapping in for?

2:24

We are strapping.

2:25

We are literally, as soon as we're done

2:27

recording this episode, we are going to the

2:30

airport to the new A Delta

2:32

one lounge at JFK.

2:34

We're rolling the dice and crossing

2:37

enemy line lines.

2:40

I almost said grounds, we're crossing

2:42

over. We're saying LaGuardia,

2:44

thank you for everything you've done, thank you for the merch, thank

2:46

you for the merch. We gotta fly out of JFK,

2:48

and we're trying their new Adults as a Guy lounge, which just

2:51

opened days ago. We're very excited,

2:53

like a cucko. What is the big night? I

2:56

cannot wait to have a.

2:57

Bloody I'm gonna have a

3:00

something.

3:01

What what were you? What did you think I was gonna say? I

3:03

didn't know. I was sorry on the edge of my seat. Would

3:05

you have an averall sprits at the airport? Like?

3:08

What is the vibe you bring

3:11

in a cocktail sense to the airport lounge?

3:13

Airport lounge cocktail is very

3:15

specific context,

3:18

right, M I think.

3:22

Don't lie mes count the Gronney.

3:24

Messcount the GRONI that's

3:26

really good. Did they make that? Let

3:28

me tell you something, If you ask, I bet they can

3:31

figure it out. Quit I think I just know

3:33

people don't make that. Do that as count the Grony? I

3:35

would be you want to start a bet? We

3:38

can? We have to cut this, reader, So

3:40

why do we have to cut this? What do you mean?

3:43

Okay, miss cald the gurney?

3:44

Sorry, what did you have to google

3:46

and see if it was a real thing? Oh

3:48

my god, my girl's so burnt.

3:51

No, no, it's not being

3:53

cut. I'm that is the vulnerability

3:55

that the judges are looking for when

3:58

you had to look up what mess call grone was

4:00

to make sure it was even a thing. Because

4:03

I'm so tired. Oh my god, the

4:05

tea word. You know what, I'm done avoiding

4:07

the tea word. I'm back to I'm so

4:10

happy my girl came alive. Take

4:12

them down. Take them down right now. They've criticized

4:14

you for saying the T word. Get them.

4:16

I

4:18

I'll get them.

4:19

No, get them, I don't want them. This

4:21

is what we're cutting in. I don't want to reference them.

4:24

We're cutting this. Okay, hold on, no, we're back. We're

4:26

back, We're back.

4:30

How did you get? How high did I get?

4:33

Yeah? Not very high. But this

4:35

is what I'm working with. This is why I'm tea word

4:37

no explain And I literally do want to know

4:39

the ins and outs of what you've been through. Because I looked

4:42

at all the wrap photos and it

4:44

looked emotional, and I have to say I could

4:46

not be more excited. And I don't

4:48

think people are really hearing me when

4:50

I say how good this movie is going to be that you

4:52

just wrapped, and I want to hear all about it, sister,

4:55

Thank you, I am.

4:58

I imagine my seat.

4:59

So whatever we wrapped

5:01

at like four in the morning in

5:03

Vancouver on Friday, I

5:06

have for the next day. The best

5:09

I could do ticket wise was when

5:11

we booked the flight. Of course, the return flight to

5:13

New York was one PM out

5:16

of Vancouver, layover in Salt Lake City.

5:19

So the Vancouver flight to Salt Like City flight lands

5:21

it four forty five if

5:23

it's on schedule, yeah, and then the Salt Lake

5:25

City to JFK flight takes off at

5:27

five thirty. We

5:30

were only

5:32

like forty five minutes delayed. I

5:35

get there, I got

5:37

scooped I did not get scooped.

5:39

Oh I missed the connection.

5:41

Oh that's I guess what I mean is like this. For

5:43

some reason, I was thinking of scoop. I thought you meant

5:46

it like they came to scoop me. No, no, throw

5:48

me to the other side of the terminal, no

5:51

negativetive.

5:52

Yeah, okay, so pejorative, I got scoop.

5:58

I'm so sorry. Okay,

6:00

sister. So my next

6:02

flight out, I just basically had

6:04

a seven hour layover in Salt Lake City, which, by

6:06

the way, very chiky airport. Can I

6:09

say, do you then for because seven

6:11

hours is giving to me the option to

6:13

leave. You did not leave.

6:15

I did not leave because here's my and

6:17

this is the thing, this is my own thing. So Monny, by the way,

6:20

is about this company a loving, non

6:23

pejorative way.

6:24

Yeah, I was like.

6:26

If I'm in a Delta lounge, I'm

6:28

happy, but for seven

6:30

hours.

6:30

Actually, you know what, one time I did spend seven hours

6:32

there. Also, if you were to leave and explore,

6:35

you're right that airport is a cute airport

6:37

to shout.

6:37

Out, and I love Salt Lake I

6:39

just did not feel that come after like

6:41

wrapping this, like after like being

6:44

at work, not like, yeah, twelve

6:46

hours before.

6:47

Girl, you're here, you're in one piece.

6:49

Yes, that's like the important part.

6:51

Anyway, I flew in at

6:54

I got it on a red eye yesterday,

6:57

landed yesterday morning, and so that's why, because

7:00

I even took one hit of this, my brain is

7:02

on yet again zero. But I

7:05

think that did not stop us last week from having a great

7:07

episode.

7:07

No, I actually think when our brains are on zero, we

7:09

are the most open. I do want to say, because

7:12

the table is so long, and it's extra that.

7:15

No, it's so long, and that means I am restricted

7:17

from being able to wrap my arms around you,

7:19

because, sweetheart, I feel the fact

7:21

that you are so Kendrick

7:25

Lamar humble, Oh my god.

7:27

That I was like, please

7:29

tell us about everything you've been through, like you

7:32

must be exhausted, And you still talked about the

7:34

flight. I meant the process of doing

7:36

the film, and like what you

7:38

guys made I still want to hear about.

7:41

But you you really are

7:43

just it was about that flight.

7:44

Brain on zero, Yeah,

7:47

brain on zero.

7:47

Do you even remember shooting the film? Not?

7:50

Really? Just kidding,

7:54

very emotional. Last day

7:57

I got the girls in two couples

7:59

therapy really best believe I'm

8:01

still bejeweled and the girls meaning Kelly

8:04

Marie and Lily Kelly Marie, Lily

8:06

Kean Han who played places by love interest

8:09

who was very sad to leave the country

8:11

of Canada. Or I should say the VPN

8:13

of my account, because he was like, they

8:15

don't have this in Korea.

8:17

He looked it up. He was like, there's nothing like this.

8:20

It was there's no VPN, there's no VPN

8:22

or couples therapy the show, or or there's no

8:25

Korean orna. My god,

8:27

at least we know that's a role. That's a star we

8:29

have. Yet the Korean

8:31

Orna, the Korean Orna is going to take

8:34

over the world. Every country

8:36

shun orn and

8:39

they do. They just haven't been discovered yet.

8:41

That's why we're announcing South

8:44

Korea's next Corna, First

8:46

Orna. We're gonna we are the hosts of the

8:48

new reality competition in the series South

8:51

Korea's First Orna. Dozens

8:54

of therapists across the land are

8:57

coming with the one goal of

8:59

becoming this Orna. Matt

9:01

Rodgers and Bowen Yang host this

9:04

cut throat but therapeutic

9:07

competition. Who

9:10

is Orna? Oh my Orna?

9:19

Garolik standing in

9:21

like insane like American

9:23

Idol stage light and be like, I

9:26

guess I'm just going to out there and give it my best shot

9:28

and show them what I can do. They come out

9:30

in front of the judges, sit down, now what's going

9:32

on here? And the judges AKA you and

9:35

I just go through thirty different therapy sessions

9:37

and at the end we find out who really got us

9:39

together. That's only

9:42

they can go to the finals where

9:44

they have to sing. Then they have to sing. Now

9:47

I need this well, we can

9:49

probably have AI make it.

9:51

Oh like no, they no, we can't. AI

9:53

could never fucking do this.

9:55

Ohen they

9:58

could No, I'm I'm telling

10:00

you. Let me tell you something. I'm here to speak for Ai. We

10:03

could do anything, Queen, anything

10:06

we put our mind to, we can do

10:08

better. You know. Wait, you know what I've

10:10

been really enjoying. Yes, tell me drag

10:12

Race, the Drag Race All Stars. I

10:15

am still behind, but I'm so happy to hear that in the reality

10:17

competition series. God, imagine a drag

10:19

Race version of Next Orna. No, I

10:22

groast each other. I don't

10:24

want any Ornas in drag I

10:27

think Orna could be a really good Snatch game,

10:29

Orna would be God,

10:33

someone get on it. Oh who are

10:35

you so? So? Who are you being? Doctor

10:37

Orny Grell? I love doctor.

10:40

I love her.

10:41

She's just funny.

10:42

She's funny. Well, how are you gonna make funny

10:44

funny? Oh? My god,

10:46

you honestly could. She is a better Snatch Game

10:48

character than like, I don't know any of

10:50

the ones I say, I'll do.

10:52

You found your your snatch game?

10:54

I did you know what I realized the other day?

10:57

All along in my life, I've known

11:00

my karaoke song, but I've never done

11:02

it. Have you talked

11:04

this? No? I just you never have that feeling

11:06

when you're at the karaoke bar and you

11:09

leave with a state within

11:11

a state of despair because you're

11:13

something you're missing, something was missing. You didn't

11:16

your song, You did not get there, And you want to know why.

11:18

It's because you get your hands on the book and you're so

11:20

spoiled for choice that you're like your brain stops

11:22

working. Why did you and Jared

11:24

just point to each other like y'all have an inside

11:27

joke?

11:27

No, no, no, no, I was telling Jared about

11:29

like the whole James Seamus treat us on like Netflix

11:31

and how it's reading the culture and like and Jared and I

11:33

were talking about how like choice

11:35

like spoke that he was reading about

11:37

the like the Birth of the American Supermarican. How it's the same

11:39

thing like when you when human beings are overwhelmed with choice.

11:42

Huh, our brain's just shut down.

11:44

Damn. Yes, I actually think

11:46

you ever be walking around We're

11:48

getting so you'll ever be walking around New

11:51

York and you know you have to

11:53

eat lunch, but you don't eat

11:56

for an hour and a half. Oh well, just

11:58

keep walking. This has in me

12:01

now, yes,

12:05

yes, we need to get back on wheel. First.

12:06

Now we need to like go back towards the central question

12:09

that we asked at the beginning of this episode.

12:11

Let's see thirteen minutes ago, which

12:14

is where are we going? What are we doing? Okay,

12:17

Well, the first thing I want to say is that my karaoke

12:19

song going forward, yes, is

12:22

get Out of My Dreams Get into My Car by the one

12:25

the only.

12:27

This because I saw you post that story and that

12:29

that song on your stories, and I go, Matt's

12:31

really having a mow it with

12:33

with this song.

12:34

I am, but how did you like, how

12:36

did this come up?

12:37

Well? It came up because I was

12:41

really in my room and

12:43

I was I guess what I was

12:45

doing was I was sort of smoking

12:49

weed, and one

12:52

thing led to another, and

12:55

I just realized, I know what the

12:57

most fun song of all time is, and

13:00

I know what song sits in my

13:02

voice the best, and

13:06

I

13:08

I gave it a shot in my room.

13:11

Give us a shot now in my room.

13:14

Would you like to hear some of my song?

13:18

I am clamoring.

13:21

This is my rendition of get

13:23

out of my dreams. Get into my car by Belly Ocean.

13:26

Who's that lady coming

13:29

down the road. Who's

13:32

that lady? Who's

13:34

that woman walking

13:37

down the road? What's

13:40

the skull? I'll be the

13:42

sun shining on

13:44

you. Hey, San

13:46

Lorella, step in your

13:49

shoes.

13:50

I'll be on non stop.

13:52

Lovel get a why Again,

13:55

non stime miracle, I'm

13:58

your man.

14:00

Get out of modream Hey,

14:04

get in to Mocka,

14:09

Get out Modream back,

14:13

Get in to Moca. How

14:17

did we feel about that? Nothing

14:20

has ever felt more like

14:23

in your spirit than

14:26

both, like the words of the song, the way

14:28

you performed it. Obviously not every word was

14:30

even right right, it didn't matter.

14:33

I'm ready to start singing

14:36

that around the country.

14:38

How do you feel about

14:40

stepping into your destiny?

14:42

I feel that the key was a little high

14:46

that I asked you how you feel, but

14:49

I feel like I conquered it. I

14:51

feel like it was definitely a

14:53

profound, spirited vocal.

14:56

I'm not talking about the vocal. How do I feel

14:58

like?

14:58

I'm talking about the emo of

15:02

stepping into your destiny?

15:04

Let me tell you something. There's nothing like

15:07

music ever, and that's real culture

15:09

number thirty. Let me tell you something.

15:11

There's nothing like music ever.

15:16

And when I feel you connect

15:18

with the song and you know this because I've seen

15:21

you connect with the song and far

15:24

between, yes, so

15:27

beautifully that people scream from

15:29

outside the venue, bowen yang

15:32

you to do No, No, we're not doing this. No,

15:34

I asked you answer the question. Do I

15:36

feel now that I've feel

15:40

like like I'm telling you, like I'm ready to step

15:42

into any atmosphere and bring

15:45

the mood up when I have that

15:47

track play, Can I just say it's

15:50

me and the rest of my future

15:52

with that song?

15:53

Because can I just say this is this is just out of

15:55

love and not like actual jealousy. But I am so

15:57

jealous.

15:58

What do you mean? Because no, because you didn't

16:00

let me say the one that you do well

16:02

here before that, though, I know what you're gonna say,

16:05

but I want to say, like, I

16:09

gosh, like I have never connected

16:11

with any piece of media entertainment

16:14

art the way you just did

16:16

with that song. That isn't true, and

16:19

you forget yourself in the

16:21

words of the amazing Angelica

16:24

from Hamilton, because you're

16:27

like me go you

16:29

know, I listened to the whole thing today, satisfied.

16:33

I was amazing something. I've been

16:35

on one all day. You

16:38

all you

16:40

can use words hi, and

16:42

then Michael pick you up. You've been on one

16:44

all. I'm sorry. I just yelled

16:47

at you. I'm sorry, just you. It's so crazy.

16:49

So he really yelled at

16:51

him. You yelled at him.

16:55

Okay, thank you. I know what you're gonna saycause

16:57

you notice he does these little tactics to go

17:00

off the scent, but I won't. I

17:02

am like a dog with a bone with this moment

17:05

in culture, which is when Bowa

17:07

Yang steps forth to perform the

17:09

song Bang Bang My Baby

17:12

Shot Me Down by Nancy Sinatra

17:14

in the style of any

17:19

any aesthetic of share. Let's say it's

17:21

in the great tradition of

17:25

Divas, you haven't seen

17:27

anything. This is what I'm

17:29

gonna say. And I'm staying

17:31

back in my chair and I am at the end

17:33

of a very long table, and

17:36

I'm so happy this is where I'm sitting because I can

17:38

look my sister dead in her eyes

17:40

and say, this is what I'm gonna say. We

17:43

will do these two songs next year

17:46

at the Culture Awards. Oh my.

17:52

Right, God, Oh

17:55

my god.

17:56

And no one understands

17:59

what the implication of that are right now are

18:03

enormous. And I have

18:05

never been happier in

18:08

my rodern entire

18:11

life because I know what's going

18:13

to have the greatest gift You've ever

18:15

given me. See the future.

18:22

I can see the future and

18:24

it is so bright. That's what

18:26

we'll do, and that's what we'll do.

18:38

And to finally go back to the original

18:40

question that was posed at the beginning of this episode,

18:43

we're at my house. We're hours away from going

18:45

to the airport to Amsterdam

18:47

to go see Taylor, and then we

18:50

will be in Cecilia next

18:52

week and we'll probably be giving you an episode from there.

18:55

We will be giving you, for the very

18:57

first time, an episode from not

19:00

Europe, because we've done an episode from Europe. This

19:02

is I guess, first from Italy, from Italy.

19:04

This is a huge moment in the box, our first Italian

19:07

episode or Italian episode.

19:10

Wow, do you know what I think is gonna happen? What?

19:13

Just because spiritually I think that this is sort

19:15

of what tends Yeah,

19:17

yeah, I feel this happening. I can't explain

19:19

how Lady Gaga is gonna make some

19:21

type of announcement while we're there, period,

19:24

Like there's a reason why we're going to Italy.

19:27

There's so I can feel in the air. Why

19:29

I lick my fingers and put them up in the air. I can

19:31

literally feel Gaga in the air, and

19:34

I will say, you feel LG seven.

19:36

I do actually have been watching

19:39

quite a few YouTube videos about

19:42

what maybe in the cards for l G seven, and

19:44

I find myself not ready

19:46

to make a prediction, but to sort of start to forecast

19:49

what this is going to be. Have you noticed

19:51

a lot of black and white imagery

19:54

in her recent press, a lot of

19:56

sort of oh my god,

19:59

even illusion like the dark side of the moon,

20:01

the light side of the moon, that duality. There

20:03

are some people online who think that she

20:05

might be giving like a Dante aligary

20:08

like Paradiso like sort of Heaven

20:10

and Hell black and white, sort

20:13

of like something like

20:15

that, like I'm gag, gig, you know

20:17

what I'm saying. So it's just like there. But there was

20:19

some videos that really got into this, and

20:22

it seems like the black

20:24

and white of it all has to be intentional. And

20:27

there's something with the moon. She

20:29

said good night to the moon at the end

20:31

the CHROMATICA ball

20:34

and then the LG seven popped up.

20:36

I just think there's something going on. And

20:38

she's also made comments

20:41

recently like I'm going to hell

20:43

like I'll see you in Hell. Like she's

20:45

been a little on one with the

20:47

heaven and Hell imagery and the black and white

20:50

imagery, and people are connecting all of this. Why

20:52

has that been missing in the culture?

20:54

Well, heaven and Hell it needs

20:56

to make a comeback. Hold on So

21:05

in that snippet, I

21:07

think they intentionally took out that

21:09

third word or dancing in the shadow

21:11

of the blank, hold

21:14

on, hold on, sorry,

21:19

shut off of the I

21:24

think that there's something with the moon. That's

21:27

the moon. Oh my god?

21:29

Why do I have chills? And I also

21:32

think that we must

21:34

be returning to like born this way

21:37

harder, maybe like a you

21:40

know what I'm saying. I just think we might be going back

21:42

to like because CHROMATICA was still

21:44

like fun, and I think we might go back

21:46

to the heart and dark that seems to me

21:49

like post Joker, the mentality

21:51

that it's giving. We can't forget what

21:54

she gave at the Oscars

21:56

when she had just come from filming The Joker,

21:59

Like the state that she was in when she sang

22:01

hold my hand from top Gun, Like

22:03

I don't know if she was recording or writing then I would

22:05

imagine like she was using some of what she was feeling

22:08

to put into her work. But like, I

22:10

don't know, I think that we can Definitely, I

22:12

think we're gonna get something hard

22:15

because I also think she's gonna want it to

22:17

feel like it matches the tone

22:19

of whatever joke Erfolio Do is gonna

22:21

give. And I think that movie is gonna go hard.

22:24

So I think we're in for an extreme Gaga.

22:26

Oh my god, because

22:29

the producers that they've announced so far Chin

22:32

Misothulstein, Peggy Gal

22:35

The Weekend sure yeah,

22:37

and Rick Rubin again not so Weekend

22:40

is scary pop. So

22:42

I'm into it for Gaga.

22:43

Rick Rubin, which I don't think she's worked. I

22:46

don't think she's she's worked with him, and since art Pop.

22:48

I am so happy about it because Rick Rubin

22:50

gives a big dramatic vocal,

22:52

always big dramatic vocal.

22:55

And then Carolyn Pulchek, so it's like, come

22:57

on, this is gonna be really see.

22:59

This is how you find can come back with

23:01

cool fucking producers and bring relationships

23:04

from the past but also move forward. This

23:06

would be how you do that.

23:07

This is our corollary to our Katy Perry

23:10

polemic. Look, I gotta say Bowen

23:12

Yang said it anyway. I said all

23:14

of it last week, and

23:16

then now we're getting back on track. Oh

23:18

yes, a sicilly episode. And then

23:21

we were nearing something Earlier,

23:24

we were nearing something or nearing a conversation.

23:26

I mean, talk

23:28

about it. Kill girl, what a stick

23:31

mine? I

23:33

said a couple of weeks ago. I wasn't even

23:35

considering this new Camila era

23:38

as culture. I was like, I don't like

23:40

what whatever this looks like. It looked like too

23:42

much of a Charlie XCX rip off to me.

23:45

It looked too like, oh

23:47

that girl might be going to like a quarter life in a way

23:49

that's like I just didn't take seriously

23:52

because I didn't think that anything good was gonna come of

23:54

it. If she's going through a quarter of life, she

23:56

fucking delivered to me. I'm

23:58

like, at least putting a whole bunch of that

24:00

in the album. It feels like extreme and fun

24:03

and like she's just like

24:05

really connected to whatever

24:08

culture it is that brought out like this fun

24:11

little pops of energy. Like I like

24:13

the fucking album and I was not checking

24:15

for yes, And I'm a Camela fan

24:18

too, Like I like her some of her old

24:20

albums. I don't think she's been a fave of

24:22

mine, but like I judged

24:24

this on face value, and maybe that's my

24:26

fault, maybe it's their fault in marketing. But

24:28

like the album is great. I like it a lot,

24:31

a lot.

24:32

Nothing too

24:34

alarming about the thing that

24:36

people are saying, which is like, oh

24:39

it's messy. It's like a little too all over

24:41

the play. It's like a little two all over the map. But you're like,

24:43

see, at what point is it all over the map? And at what point is

24:45

it like meant to be? Like the other

24:47

side of that coin is like you, oh, this person's so versatile.

24:49

This albumsatile, or it's just like this is

24:51

a real snapshot. There's insane things that happened

24:54

in this album. Like there's one track that's just literally

24:56

a fans voicemail to her about

24:58

how much a one of her other her albums

25:01

meant to him because his dog died.

25:03

Like that's one whole track in the album

25:05

that I'm like, this is insane. It's such a weird

25:07

choice. But it's little things like that

25:10

that I think sometimes helped

25:12

make an album memorable. Like

25:14

there's little pieces in here, little transitions

25:16

where like there's one culled three h five till I Die,

25:18

which is just her and a bunch of girls getting

25:20

ready to go somewhere. I was choking with Corey

25:22

camp Patrol he was coming on our vacation. He was

25:24

like, that's literally just on the way to Aerostore,

25:27

Like three or five till I Die. There's

25:29

little bizarre things in here which are like make

25:31

me feel like, oh, you know what I like about

25:33

this? She wasn't too precious about

25:36

it. It seems like she actually kind

25:38

of like threw up her hands with this one and was

25:40

like, I don't know, I'm going through it. I'm gonna

25:42

like make an album about things I love, like Miami

25:45

and partying and like being a little

25:47

bit of like an obsessive romantic

25:49

person and put it in there and I'm gonna

25:51

be blonde, and I just I don't know, I get

25:53

it, and I was hard

25:55

on her, but I love it.

25:57

And you are such you are very developed in that

26:00

thinking. That's very very very

26:02

nice you feel. Yes, Jared

26:05

and I were remarking on how the visuals are

26:08

very good and creative team

26:10

is doing excellent, excellent, excellent

26:12

work along with which includes her.

26:14

Obviously. Well that's why he's really

26:16

why he's here, our

26:18

Miami correspondent.

26:19

As we talked about Camilla Caveo, so like,

26:21

words that were popping out to me were like,

26:24

Biscayane Collins Avenue,

26:26

he should have like.

26:27

Five translated some of the Miami stuff

26:30

in here. And how do you think as a

26:32

Miami girl, So, as.

26:34

A fellow Miami girl, as a three

26:36

h five sister, as a Biscayne

26:38

Hattie Okay, as

26:41

someone who also loves samples on songs

26:43

called boats. I really do feel as

26:45

though Kamilla is always undervalued,

26:48

She's always underrated. Yes, there

26:50

is a slight hyper propability to her

26:53

in this moment in time. But I think that

26:55

the album is just you know, the sounds of the ocean,

26:57

the sounds of a cafesito in a warm

26:59

summer breeze. Ah and what I will.

27:02

Just to back up Bowen's thought about the visual

27:04

aesthetic, like the girl knows how to pick a director.

27:06

Yeah, yeah, they're all super interesting.

27:09

She's never boring. Her choices are weird.

27:11

She's a cat and a tree in one video that's trying

27:13

to be cut down.

27:14

I would love that one.

27:15

It made me absolutely giggle. And

27:18

do I know what Playboy Cardi is saying on the verse?

27:21

Couldn't tell you if my life depended on it, right,

27:23

But baby, that's Miami. We don't know who's

27:25

speaking or what they're saying, but we do know

27:27

one thing. They came to Slave Way.

27:30

Your favorite track is I Think He Knows. I

27:32

Think he Knows.

27:33

I love it and I love the music video,

27:35

and I love that nos and Camilla

27:38

fight over the same guy, which we don't see enough

27:41

in the culture. It

27:43

says there shouldn't be labels. It's saying

27:45

queernesses the future. Get on board or get

27:48

out my house.

27:48

Get out and into my car she'

27:51

fa Oh my god, the best song ever. I'm so excited

27:53

to do it next year for the Culture Awards.

27:55

And then there's a moment at the end of

27:57

the NAS video where like Camilla

27:59

and Nos a little bit of a bit and

28:02

Camilla lands lansaid.

28:04

Camilla really nails

28:06

the acting moment. She I mean, there's

28:09

nothing more I need than a

28:11

sketch at the top of a pop music

28:14

video. And you, I'm just gonna

28:16

say this, you can tell a lot from

28:18

the quality of those sketches. And

28:22

when someone comes in and is Kristen wigging

28:24

at like Camilla Cabello, who is just

28:26

as funny as Kristin wig That

28:29

is what everyone here was saying off Mike, the

28:33

people Cinderella like when

28:35

push comes to shove. This girl is the comedy

28:38

future. She's

28:40

a Dina Menzel stepdaughter. You don't get

28:42

funnier than that. I

28:45

have blown away by

28:50

this idea that would

28:52

you say that she's a cute

28:54

girl with a sick mind? Talk.

28:59

I love Chanela, talk about why because

29:01

we're not getting it? Oh my god, I love

29:03

well. I don't know. It's like, kid, what

29:06

a sick mind? It doesn't take much more than

29:08

that from me, But I will say this about que girl

29:10

with a sick mind, Like if

29:12

that's true, then the rest of the album

29:15

I kind of want to hear about her sick dark

29:17

thoughts.

29:17

Well, I think it's all there.

29:19

I think it's like her

29:21

sick dark thoughts are I'm going to

29:23

put a fan voicemail on

29:25

my fucking album.

29:27

I honestly, I think that that's so insane.

29:31

It's it's dark excited,

29:34

but I love it and I think it like gives it something.

29:36

I think she said put that on there.

29:38

This is what we're talking about, Like pop right

29:41

now needs like serrated.

29:43

Serrated edges. I was thinking about that, like

29:46

there is something serrated edge about this, and

29:48

I realized after we had that conversation

29:51

how important that is. What you said there's

29:53

ration is because guess

29:55

what, we're still split years

29:58

later about whether or not Solar Power is a good album. And

30:01

I maybe it was.

30:02

I think it was, it just didn't have this serrated

30:04

edge.

30:04

I've been listening to a lot of Lord over the past few

30:07

days, just because she is so back,

30:10

as we all found out

30:12

last week. But nothing

30:16

compares to melodrama.

30:19

Melodrama, I mean nothing. I was gonna say,

30:21

I was gonna say super drama, super

30:23

drama. I actually think it might

30:26

be Ansonov's best melodrama

30:29

is statement when you combine

30:32

what an incredible lyricist she is

30:35

with his production, forget about like

30:37

how singular her vocal is and how it feels

30:40

like she is truly the

30:42

only one like her in the entire universe. But there

30:46

really were a matchmate in heave on Yeah,

30:49

Yeah, in competition with one

30:52

with Rockwell, I

30:56

would do.

30:58

Nine no, because that's not the things

31:01

that we love a lot of the things that we love from nineteen eighty

31:03

nine are not our max Like. It's

31:05

not a Jack majority album. Where

31:07

I could like make that distinction, I would have to

31:10

say, I

31:12

would have to say folklore

31:15

or Lover. But as a

31:17

body of works, it's fifty to fifty. The thing about

31:19

Jack and Melodrama is it was the two of them. It

31:21

was Ella and Jack like in a room, making

31:24

this cohesive like one in a billion

31:26

album. I just don't know that him

31:28

and Taylor have that have had that

31:31

cohesive experience on one album.

31:33

I will say I am. I am a midnight stan

31:35

Over time complete midnight stan

31:38

Like, and I think that people need to listen to Maroon

31:40

again. That's all I'll say about that. None so

31:44

scut it world model.

31:49

I mean, that's that's right there for

31:51

you too. Hold on the implications

31:54

of Matt saying that we are singing these

31:56

songs that culture awards are unfathomable,

31:59

and I actually I don't

32:01

think I can do it. Bowen. That's

32:04

not your decision to make. It is God's

32:06

decision, and he has spoken through me. I'm

32:10

I'm sure this is complete

32:13

divinity. It is your destiny, but

32:16

I can't do it your destiny.

32:19

I can't do it in that context.

32:21

Yes you can. We're going to set the

32:23

intention and we're

32:26

going to speak on it later.

32:28

But now what has happened. Now,

32:31

this is what we're supposed to happen, We're

32:34

supposed to go. I'm

32:36

clear, I'm very clear.

32:39

I've never been creaked out.

32:42

You are going to eat Oh

32:44

and let me let me ask you a question. What's five plus

32:46

three? How many letters

32:49

in stallion? How

32:51

many letters in D that word I

32:55

can't how many slices of a pizza usually

33:00

h how many you don't do ship?

33:04

How many John and Kate plus.

33:09

Hey boo hey boo spiders have?

33:10

How many links.

33:13

That is legs.

33:19

Hey, my favorite Adam Stander movie. Blank

33:22

Crazy Nights. You

33:30

could have just said how many nights in Honick? That's

33:32

not what I said. Oh

33:37

wait, we didn't you know, we didn't talk about in

33:39

June Gloom by Camila off albums t

33:42

x O x OL girl, and she.

33:43

Goes, does she get this a

33:45

lot for you?

33:46

Baby? You

33:48

haven't heard it yet? Have you listen

33:51

to the whole album? I'm scared. I'm scared to

33:53

listen to a song called June Gloom when we were just

33:55

recently in that in that month. Well,

33:58

thank god we've left it because finally Pride

34:00

month, it's July, and we

34:02

are so excited as always represent the community.

34:05

We love you all, and

34:08

this is the podcast where every

34:11

gay person can feel represented. Leizia

34:14

Boutique is here to stay.

34:16

It's here to stay. How do you feel about

34:18

how the word is caught on it has?

34:20

I feel really touched by

34:23

the way the community has really

34:25

gotten together.

34:26

I get so well.

34:27

First, baby, I

34:30

thought collectivism was over.

34:32

No, it's just beginning.

34:33

It's it's

34:36

just beginning, just beginning.

34:38

Collectivism is just beginning.

34:41

Oh my god, why wait?

34:43

Thinking about the no I'm thinking about his

34:45

story, the story that Jimmy Fowley shared on this

34:47

podcast that he then shared at

34:49

a pitch meeting on Monday, which

34:53

was unforgetted.

34:54

The way Jimmy Fowley

34:57

slays.

34:58

Yeah, he's the best Nill but in the room

35:02

every day, You've never seen a room more

35:04

obsessed with the game. Then he

35:06

is the gay king of SNL. I like it

35:09

was always him, always Jimmy

35:12

fucking Folly.

35:13

But he remember that where he shout on the podcast where like he found

35:15

out his X was cheating on him or something, and he so

35:18

then he threw I

35:20

forgot what he threw something at the car door. It was a full

35:22

baseball bat. There was a full baseball bat like a water

35:24

bottle. He literally busts the windows

35:27

in your car, Like he literally he

35:29

he like did that song to his X.

35:32

And then the except what the fuck?

35:33

And and the Jimmy swerves like

35:36

flips to you and in the most cinematic

35:38

way, goes it says to him, this is

35:41

just the beginning.

35:42

This is just the beginning. Can

35:44

you believe that his episode of Lost Coach is

35:46

not called this is just the beginning? What was

35:49

called Greek sick freaks.

35:51

I remember that one again

35:53

because that was when you guys really knew each other. We did not know

35:55

each other, but I have been a Jimmy Fallley

35:58

super since the

36:00

the begining. Yes,

36:05

yes, that was it was Go Go Boy interrupt.

36:07

Go Go Boy interrupted. He's

36:09

so fucking funny. Jimmy

36:11

is a natural lightning rod. Where

36:17

we're talking. It is just the beginning. But

36:19

that's what collectivism is, just beginning.

36:21

Collectivism is just beginning. You have such a

36:23

good memory.

36:24

Do you think that we're so we

36:29

know ourselves out so much because

36:31

we can feel how dark everything

36:34

is all around us? Is that why you think we know ourselves?

36:37

Like, let's really get real. Yeah, Why

36:39

do you each and every day choose to

36:41

numb the pain? Drugs?

36:44

Alcohol? Why do you think? Why

36:46

do you think you can't face how

36:49

dark the world is? Is it? Because if

36:51

you start, you won't stop

36:54

asking question h

36:58

Despair, that's what what

37:00

we all want to avoid. You

37:02

will fall into it. You will

37:04

fall into despair, You will fall into disguss

37:07

just for the weed again, what

37:19

was it like watching did you watch? You didn't know? You didn't

37:21

watch the deviseial working, but like being in Vancou

37:25

vibes were like we

37:27

were on stat and then like I have not seen

37:29

a single sound from

37:32

that debate, and that's how scared

37:34

you. No, be afraid, be

37:36

very afraid.

37:37

And I don't want to hear either of them talk, but especially

37:40

not Joe. Uh yeah,

37:43

the descriptions that were coming out just

37:46

verbally like that I was just reading.

37:48

I was just like no, no, no, no

37:51

no.

37:51

And I say this as a dual citizen.

37:53

Can honestly, I was thinking of you,

37:56

and I'm like, like, my girl has some place to go. I'm

37:58

lucky. Now, isn't

38:00

that fucked up? The like that's where we're at, Like,

38:02

oh, can't talk about that? I

38:05

mean the thing is like I guess we can't talk about

38:07

it because we don't want to make vibes bad, but like, isn't

38:09

that fucked up? Though we can't even

38:12

talk about it because it is a vibe

38:14

destroyer and low key it should

38:16

it should be, I guess because I was like

38:20

so, I think one of the reasons I was like an a tear

38:22

this morning is because like that shit happened

38:24

with the Supreme Court, where like I don't know x y Z

38:26

here probably something different by the time this comes out,

38:28

but like whatever, today it got even

38:30

worse, and I was just like, God,

38:33

damn it, Like when is someone

38:35

just gonna stuck come in and just fucking like save

38:37

us or like no one, no one,

38:40

no one's gonna do it, like but I'm just like

38:42

we And then I was like thinking about how

38:44

high I was and everything, and I was just like, God, I

38:46

guess I gotta stop and at some point

38:49

just be like this thing that we have

38:51

been fearing coming, this election that

38:53

we have been fearing coming, is gonna come. And

38:55

I think the debates made that very clear for

38:57

me the other night, where I was like, Wow, he really

39:00

is the person that we are choosing to

39:02

go up against, someone who is a full

39:04

blown dictator. This is the guy. This

39:07

is the guy that's gonna do it. And I'm like, I

39:09

don't know, I don't know if the best

39:11

thing for everyone under him is to be like support

39:13

and support and support him, someone might have to

39:15

step up and be like, no, no, I am

39:18

the strong, powerful voice of this party

39:20

and I am not going to allow decorum

39:23

to like send us into a tailspin.

39:26

Because we need someone to

39:28

step up and be like we are strong.

39:30

You don't have to be afraid we are

39:33

going to preserve democracy.

39:35

Yea, really, I feel like there is like

39:38

we all long for someone not to

39:40

throw the wicked reference, but we all long for someone to

39:42

be behind the curtain in the Emerald City of the

39:44

Democratic Party, who's here pulling

39:46

strings or ready to save us. I do

39:48

not think that person exists. Oh, I do

39:51

not think there's anyone behind the curtain. I

39:53

don't know that there's anyone driving the car at

39:55

this point, I think the closest person we have is

39:58

Obama. Like we I think collectively,

40:01

the people who I know who are the most

40:03

intelligent and well read on just

40:05

the political process and whether or not he could be replaced

40:08

lost all folk that that could be a plan.

40:10

When Obama tweeted the next.

40:11

Step, the Obama tweet fucking sunk

40:14

my soul.

40:15

I think that he's the.

40:16

Closest that we have to someone who's powering

40:18

the Democratic Party and is the quote unquote

40:20

pulling the strings behind the curtain. But beyond

40:23

that, like, I don't know that that person is

40:26

there.

40:27

There's no like strangehold in here because

40:29

it's so personal to this one man's

40:33

condition, and it's like it's

40:36

so that's what's fucked up about. There's no

40:38

like lobbying into like getting him

40:40

to drop out, you know what I mean, There's no like money

40:43

you can throw at that problem.

40:44

It's like this isn't this is an old

40:46

man who like is

40:50

too stubborn to make that decision.

40:52

I just think it's it's gotten to a point where

40:54

it's like why are we lying

40:57

to ourselves? Like why would

40:59

we protect him? That this is the person that's

41:01

gonna make us look the strongest.

41:04

We need to look strong and

41:06

he he literally is in fact quite

41:08

depressing. Like that's the thing is like

41:11

you do need to be able to center

41:13

a campaign around a person. That is

41:15

the way this works. And if the whole

41:17

thing is like well low key, we can't do

41:20

that. But it's about bigger than him, It's like, but

41:22

why does it have to be that we can't

41:24

just put someone in there? If it's about more than

41:26

him, that's more inspiring. I get

41:29

that there's like rules, and I

41:31

understand that people disagree,

41:33

but it's just like hard to look at

41:35

it the way that it is and be like, yeah, you know

41:37

what what we have to do is support the current

41:39

situation harder. What that

41:42

doesn't make any sense.

41:45

Four do you smoke a joy and go from

41:47

Camilla Cobo cxx to the end.

41:49

But this is lost cult. This is lost and

41:52

that's that's on lost culture.

41:53

Reasons that maybe that's

41:55

on lost culture stuff.

41:57

And I think it speaks to just the way that c

41:59

x o x O speaks to her life right

42:01

now, this episode speaks to. That's

42:04

why this is called m r B y x O

42:06

XO.

42:07

I thought it was called Okay, but yet, what's it called?

42:10

I thought it was called something else? Did

42:12

we name this episode?

42:14

What was it? It was a lot going on with the going

42:17

on.

42:17

No, it's m r B y x O x.

42:20

Cute girls with stick minds or should

42:22

it be que girls with sick minds? Period?

42:26

Talking about something that could actually save democracy?

42:29

The man behind the curtain. Uh, they're

42:31

painting the Brat wall again today.

42:33

Yeah, is huge. They're

42:36

painting the Brat wall again. The best

42:38

political news we've gotten in can't

42:40

trust Red, can't trust Blue, you can't

42:43

trust Green. That's number

42:45

fifty eight. You can't trust Red, you can't

42:47

trust you can't trust green. Sympathy

42:52

is a knife featuring tailor and

42:55

y'all, y'all are sick. It would never happen. It's

42:57

never going to happen. A

43:02

lot going on at the moment, but not that. Oh

43:05

god, what could be next? What could she literally

43:08

do?

43:08

Remember when she was on our podcast and said,

43:12

we joked maryam Cosby is going

43:14

to be on a track with you. She said, yeah, full remix album

43:16

is going to be her. She like implied the

43:18

release of a remix album.

43:19

Charlie has a counterpoint

43:22

in the world, and it is Mary m Cosby

43:24

on the Salt Light Cast, Like maryam Cosby

43:27

is the Charlie XCX of Absolutely

43:31

Yeah, I do think.

43:32

That there's gonna be a remix album because I feel like Caroline

43:35

Pullacheck and recently Marina

43:37

from Marina and the Diamonds have been so.

43:39

Bratastic on social media.

43:41

Yeah, in ways where I'm like you jumping

43:43

on a Caroline gonna jump on Apple

43:46

if it's the last thing she.

43:49

A g it's so good. Were

43:51

you know what we're gonna do when he made it jumped

43:55

period? What is your single

43:57

favorite line from Bratt to

44:00

the airport that's good, which

44:02

we're gonna literally be singing it when we get to the car.

44:05

I'm gonna be insufferable later.

44:06

My single favorite line, It's really hard

44:08

to choose for now. Right now,

44:12

it's gonna be till

44:14

the windows crack. I'll be bumping that.

44:19

Till the windows crack.

44:20

Can you imagine bumping that so hard

44:23

that the windows shatter? I

44:28

fucking love it. I hope to

44:30

God we all get to experience that before

44:33

the Civil War.

44:34

We're so happy this month, this Pride month. Me

44:36

too because we are going to we have so many

44:38

parties to look forward to where people are going to be bumping

44:40

that till the windows crack.

44:42

And what's your Can I return the question to you?

44:46

This is a huge question. I'm

44:49

going to say my

44:51

favorite line from brat Ah,

44:57

Yeah you want a pu

45:00

like a lightning struck. I do love

45:02

you had a power like a lightning strike. I

45:04

think that's really beautiful. I think that that.

45:07

I listened to that song a lot more

45:09

than I so. I yeah, I thought I thought

45:11

I would. I mean, it's so sad, but it's

45:14

so beautiful and it's so like

45:16

personal. I was said

45:18

to Ted who reps Charlie and reps

45:20

Kelly from Atlantic Records. The other day. I saw him at Pride

45:22

and I was like, I wish that I had gotten to

45:25

listen to that album like four or five more times

45:27

before she came in, because I don't

45:29

think it hit me till like a

45:32

couple days after we recorded

45:34

with her, like and then the album came

45:36

out, Like just how much I loved it.

45:38

I should have her back on again,

45:41

like Charlie Park two after because what

45:43

she didn't expect Brat to take no what expects

45:45

you don't saying no one, no one.

45:48

She was She had the number three album in the country.

45:50

She's never had that before. Like she's charting

45:52

more songs than she has in the last decade. Like

45:55

I know that she obviously she believed in the music

45:57

and she's like so smart, not

45:59

only like sonically but also like her

46:02

marketing teeth taste taste, this

46:04

rollout isla audible, But I still

46:06

feel like she could not have imagined

46:09

what a moment this would be.

46:10

I feel like that was the vision.

46:12

I think it was the vision, but like she's just she

46:15

had such vision with Crash, she had such vision

46:17

with Pop two. Like she's it's never

46:19

the music that is not it's there

46:22

caught up to her. The culture caught up to her. She was

46:24

always ahead and she there's even a line on

46:26

there, like it is hard to be ahead, and

46:28

she's always ahead, and her taste is

46:30

always so futuristic. But of the moment

46:32

and I feel like, like commercially,

46:35

the audience finally responded to her

46:37

the way that they always should have, and after

46:39

I feel like she's had so many some would say

46:41

disappointments like commercially like

46:44

what this might feel like and how validating.

46:47

It must feel.

46:48

I hope that she's like I would be so curious

46:50

from this vantage point what it feels

46:53

like for her, because this reception is like it's

46:56

I feel like it has a bigger cultural for a

46:58

print than some albums that were quably bigger

47:01

in sales or streaming or charge numbers,

47:03

Like the cultural footprint of brat

47:05

Is Jike is like like

47:08

through the straps.

47:08

This is what you need for something iconic to hit in this way,

47:11

like an attitude, Yes, it just needs

47:13

an attitude and brat Is it's literally

47:15

in the title gratitude.

47:18

It's gratitude.

47:18

But like I think same for like Chapels

47:21

shit, like it's

47:23

not even a point of view, like that's even too general of a term.

47:25

It's like there is like a

47:28

way you are like orienting

47:30

yourself towards like this thing,

47:32

and like if other people can relate to that, then like they're

47:35

gonna fucking love it.

47:36

Yeah, authenticity,

47:38

Like I really feel like Chapels specifically

47:41

and like Charlie are both incredibly

47:43

vulnerable artists which we don't see a lot. They have

47:45

a sound that we don't always see honed

47:48

in the way that they hone it. Like you hear a Charlie's

47:50

song, it's Charlie. It's no one else. Everything

47:53

else is imitation. Same thing with Chapel.

47:55

It's just like two singular, authentic, truthful

47:58

voices who are taking structures

48:00

of songs, types of songs that we love

48:02

and putting their own spin on him in a way where

48:04

it's just like unforgettable and

48:07

of the moment. And it's

48:09

just like those are not the two when

48:11

you named all the pop stars that are releasing albums

48:13

this year, like those weren't the two? I right would

48:16

would take.

48:16

Over no way? Isn't it wild how that all

48:18

shook out? Now I'm thinking about like the

48:21

even pop vocal album.

48:22

This year, like half of the snubbed

48:25

if she, If Charlie doesn't get nominated, I think

48:27

that will be well, this.

48:29

Is what I was saying. It was like she could

48:31

put it in dance electronic album. But

48:34

my thing is in a world where

48:36

we're actually judging things for what they are, I

48:39

believe that Brat is a

48:41

pop vocal pop vocal because she

48:44

is the point of view. She is the artist,

48:46

she is the star. You don't listen

48:48

to that album for the music

48:51

any more than you listen to hit Me Hard and Soft for

48:53

from Billie Eilish, for that production and

48:55

that music. You could really compare the two

48:58

in that regard, and in that

49:00

way, you definitely wouldn't put Billie Eilish

49:02

in dance electronic. You would put her where

49:04

she belongs, on pop vocal, and I believe that's where

49:06

Bratt belongs. That being said Renaissance

49:09

one dance electronic album two years ago,

49:12

and I would absolutely agree with

49:14

people who said that that is a

49:17

moment where Beyonce is also the

49:19

artist. It's not necessarily the music you listen

49:21

for. I think it's a weird case. Probably

49:24

pop vocal album then as well

49:26

for that album, but it has won that category,

49:28

so there is precedent for Charlie

49:31

to submit it there. I just think she is so clearly

49:34

the pop artist, you know what I mean?

49:36

Sure, although is it maybe a thing

49:38

within the academy where it's

49:40

like a pop vocal album has

49:43

to be defined in this way

49:45

where like the vocal is it like too processed

49:47

or whatever?

49:48

The fact?

49:48

Maybe in certain cases like they can

49:50

submit that ours can submit an album for category

49:53

and then like there are people on the Grammy committee

49:55

who will listen to it and they'll be like, actually, it's not

49:57

this category, it's this other category, and then they move

49:59

it. So ultimately I don't feel like it's

50:01

up to them, but I don't know. You've talked

50:03

about defining dance electronics from the pov

50:06

of the music over the artist, where the artist in

50:08

the front, and for me, it is more like a sound but

50:11

either like yeah, what it sounds like sonically, And

50:13

I think Charlie straddles the line. I do

50:15

think three sixty should win

50:17

the Padam Paddam Rush Grammy, the new

50:19

one, the pop dance recording.

50:20

Oh definitely, yeah, definitely three sixty.

50:24

I mean I think she should do whatever it is that's gonna

50:26

win her Grammys. Like, don't get me wrong, like if

50:28

Brad's gonna stomp in there and it could be a multiple

50:30

Grammy winner for being in dance electronic fields.

50:33

She should do that. But I just think,

50:35

but I think what we're all saying is we we hope that she

50:38

We hope that this is all put into the above

50:40

the line quote unquote award. Oh god, I think

50:42

it's I think it should be an Album of the Year nominee for

50:44

one. Also, speaking to the marketing,

50:47

you could teach like a college course in marketing

50:49

about like you know, like I wonder if that like Clive

50:51

Davis and stuff they're talking about, which

50:54

is like the recording So basically there's

50:56

like a school Adam yu Fish which is

50:58

called the Clive Davis you know, Recording Academy

51:01

or whatever the fuck, and you learn how

51:04

to become like a real music industry

51:06

participant, whether it's as an artist, as a producer,

51:08

as a writer at something. And I would imagine

51:10

that this is something that people are looking at, like, this

51:13

is how an artist simultaneously

51:16

had all their integrity and authenticity

51:18

and all their brand already that's that's

51:20

there, encompassed in something new that was

51:23

able to be market to everyone else, and

51:25

also backed it up with music that track

51:27

by track, like the mission

51:30

statement of that album, the word brat

51:32

was in every single thing. And

51:34

then when you think about the things that have come

51:37

in the weeks since the album's released,

51:40

like the Lord version, like the

51:42

meme ability of the way she

51:44

announces things, It's like there's

51:47

layers to it. There's so much going

51:50

on, and even hearing her talk about how

51:52

like no, like there were hours

51:55

and hours of discussion about the green color,

51:58

Like shit, every single detail

52:01

in this is from

52:03

her has been It has been mulled

52:05

over so so much

52:08

in a way that you're like, you must

52:10

respect this. Come on.

52:12

There's a gay guy Pride who says that his mom

52:14

and his like straight best friends anytime they say lime

52:16

green out in the wild, if it's like a literal lime

52:18

or just a color of a poster, to like take a photo

52:20

and send it to him, and I like you, brab brab.

52:23

But also credit where credits do? I think we have to

52:25

shout out Charlie's manager Brandon,

52:27

who also does brand and

52:31

Terry, who's her photographer and has like done

52:33

a lot of like design. Terry

52:36

is also Benny Drama's boyfriend. We love

52:38

the sweetest in the world and they slay

52:41

the marketing roll out of this, and

52:43

I mean gag like we're honored that we were

52:46

a small part of it.

52:47

It's so cool. By the way your

52:50

audio. I will get to that in a second,

52:52

but I want to say, you have Coultreesa

52:55

in your blood. You need you just really

52:59

in a way that was very you

53:02

really served.

53:03

At his third House.

53:05

So my life has prepared me for

53:07

this. But it's because you

53:09

guys create such.

53:10

A warm oh whatever,

53:14

but uh wait, what would you uh pag.

53:18

Did art? Well? We had We don't even even said on the podcast.

53:21

We had sound. The Charlie gave

53:23

Charlie episode, gave us a viral sound. It's a huge

53:25

honor and like literally

53:28

the the like Kennedy's

53:30

of our time. Craig Conover and Paige Desorbo

53:33

did the sound, and I said, thank you. Now

53:36

I know what true class and elegance looks

53:38

like with our silly little words

53:41

coming out of your mouth. I love that couple.

53:43

Might have to watch Sumwherehouse. I honestly

53:45

everyone says that it's the next Frontier Jared

53:47

Frieder like it's his comfort food television. Well,

53:49

can I say? I just finished The Valley and I

53:52

was like I was promised very big things

53:54

and I didn't. I do not think it lived up to those

53:56

things.

53:56

Valley's a little too dark for me. If I wanted to see

53:58

straight people getting divorced, I just look around the real

54:01

world. I want escape from Bravo.

54:03

I want escape, and escape is brought to

54:05

you in the form of Summer House

54:07

Page Disorbo, the funniest person

54:09

on Bravo, the voice of reason in the way

54:12

that Bethany always wanted to be but never was,

54:14

because she's you know, Bethany and

54:17

this It was the Scandabal season where basically

54:19

Lindsay and Carl, who'd been on the show from the beginning

54:22

and we're best friends, decided to get engaged too

54:24

fast, and then their engagement imploded

54:27

on the cameras in front of the whole world to see. And

54:29

for some reason, it didn't feel as dark as

54:32

the Valley because there's the escapism of

54:34

like the other characters, where the Valley.

54:35

Is the kids involved in shit. It's so sad

54:38

when there's people arguing in kids nearby.

54:40

I'm always like Stevo, I

54:43

always want to just scream, scream

54:45

out like.

54:46

Sky Cugo want a sicklind.

54:50

And just distract from everything, you know.

54:52

You know, I wish when I was a little little

54:54

boy and my parents some bitterly fight, I

54:57

could just, at three years old have been like cute,

55:00

Oh girl, I want to stick mine. Sound

55:03

is really incredible. Can

55:06

you think so, well,

55:11

maybe we should use our voices to speak

55:13

out about something called I don't

55:15

think so, honey. Wait, I quickly

55:17

want to say, oh no, maybe this is no

55:20

I've got too. I don't think somebody something to get one thing out

55:22

of the way, which is

55:25

so this is something you just want to speak on.

55:27

Beat caably didn't bring this up, Earli. When we're talking about Gaga,

55:30

the rumor is Diddy's

55:33

lawyers finally fired him.

55:35

Do you know why why Because allegedly

55:38

Gaga, who they also represent, called

55:41

him and was like, I'm firing you guys.

55:43

If you don't fucking drop ditty this second,

55:46

how dare you? And they're like okay,

55:48

ok, but like god, I don't think so many of those

55:50

fucking lawyers. I'm sure they're great. But if you if

55:52

it like you have no moral conscience

55:56

like to oh and oh my god, this is

55:58

like Austin willshit and things are right,

56:00

The tops are falling left and

56:03

right. Literally did

56:05

he at top? No,

56:07

I'm just saying, like he's not the Let's

56:10

just say Austin Wolf was not the only top or are

56:12

there other ones too that are like falling

56:14

apart? Michael Lucas like, oh man,

56:16

he's been far gone forever. Oh

56:19

god, Michael Lucas has been fucking disgusting.

56:21

It doesn't matter where you stand on things, He's just been

56:23

disgusting. Yeah, and not not good,

56:26

but anyway, like like signing

56:28

Israeli missiles with like Michael

56:31

Lucas, like it's fucking pretty

56:33

fucked up. Fuck fuck fuck you. Yeah,

56:36

and anyway, So but like, yeah,

56:38

there's some all these all these

56:40

men are going.

56:41

Down and oh whatever.

56:44

There are great wonderful tops out there

56:46

that aren't like this, okay, and

56:48

that's really cool there,

56:51

remember what.

56:51

But I think fifty are

56:55

great wonderful tops out there who

56:58

are not them are on all

57:00

this stuff. For

57:03

those of you just google it, google

57:06

it. It's

57:08

just oh, it's going down,

57:11

you guys, like it's

57:13

going down anyway,

57:24

c xo x So it's time for I

57:26

don't think so, honey, And uh, I

57:28

guess I'll go first Okay, Wow, this

57:31

episode has been a wild and rollick. It's

57:33

been a wild and weloking right. Thank you for joining us

57:35

on it, readers. Katie's publicist

57:37

vital Lie, I got my thing. This

57:40

is now Rodgers. I don't think so many his time

57:42

starts now. I don't think so, honey. The use of the

57:44

word darling in songs like

57:47

it's something people say a few months

57:49

ago. My sister bo when young didn't. I don't think so, honey.

57:51

About when people say goddamn

57:53

and songs as filler. There is nothing

57:56

more filler than when someone says darling.

57:59

Literally, no one ever in life,

58:02

least of all a cool pop star that is like

58:05

millennial age or younger, is

58:07

referring to any significant other

58:09

or friend or family member as darling.

58:12

So when we have a song and the word

58:14

is darling, queen, we know it could

58:16

have gone through another couple passes. And yes,

58:19

I have been sitting here singing the praises

58:21

of one c xoxo. She's

58:23

sang darling in the song in a way that I don't believe

58:25

from Camilaicabella, who's throwing it back on

58:28

Dade County Dreaming just a few tracks

58:30

before, like I don't know if that girl's being like,

58:32

hey, darling, let's go out to the club,

58:34

like I don't believe it. Darling is filler,

58:37

Darling is not good. I don't think so, honey, darling.

58:40

I don't believe you, honey, that you say

58:42

darling. And that's what. Admit it, y'all

58:45

feeling me?

58:46

I feel you so hard, Like

58:49

guess what was it nominated for the

58:51

Culture Award for old timey

58:53

thing to say again.

58:55

My darling, darling, darling,

58:57

dear, you.

58:58

Only use it, ironically, you only use

59:00

it because language

59:02

is a beautiful like palette

59:05

to choose from.

59:06

She literally is like what does she said?

59:08

She goes, does she get this wet for

59:10

your baby? And then she's like, so

59:13

does something, my darling. I'm

59:15

like, no, you don't, like you don't say how wet

59:17

you are? And then my darling, in the same

59:19

sentence like like no one's coming

59:22

home and seeing you in the bed, and it's like and you're

59:24

like, I'm so wet, darling.

59:25

That's the sick mind mind that you're

59:27

looking. I think that I'm

59:30

telling this.

59:32

There, what are you talking? I was craving

59:35

it is like I'm so wet, darling. And I'm

59:37

still wet Darling and fan

59:40

voicemail about his dog

59:42

dying. Literally, it's like, this girl is

59:44

okay, and I hope she's getting the help that we

59:47

support her all the way. But

59:50

it made an album that was serrated serrated,

59:53

srated, and Freda

59:55

said underrated. Oh bon

59:58

Yang, are you gallonized?

1:00:01

Are you ready to do it? I don't think so, honey. I'm

1:00:03

ready. This is doing things. I don't think so, honey.

1:00:05

As time starts now, I.

1:00:06

Don't think so, honey. Delta three sixty

1:00:09

Club, how can I get the invite?

1:00:11

I think all three of us here at this table should get

1:00:13

the invite. All matt as already. Of course,

1:00:15

that's amazing.

1:00:16

But I looked it up. I looked it

1:00:18

up.

1:00:19

I was like, well, how do you qualify for three sixty

1:00:21

because it's just like a big secret only invite, only thing.

1:00:26

You need to you get a default invitation.

1:00:28

If you're five million miler.

1:00:31

Oh honey, who's

1:00:33

got the time? Are there even that

1:00:35

many miles?

1:00:36

Thirty seconds? That's a travel

1:00:38

in a life, right, I don't know about

1:00:41

that. It's giving very SNL ticket

1:00:43

lotterial. You will draw what you'll draw your name

1:00:45

in forty years. It's it's just why

1:00:47

would you ever do that?

1:00:48

Because even back when I was growing up, quote

1:00:50

unquote, I was like, I'm not signing.

1:00:52

I'm never gonna go that in once. See, some

1:00:54

people aren't as lucky as Matt Rogers, even

1:00:58

though I'm certainly blessed. But Delta sixty.

1:01:01

When I'm in the mirror, I like what I see and

1:01:04

I want to see myself in the

1:01:06

club.

1:01:07

That was beautiful. I don't think

1:01:09

so, honey, that's one minute.

1:01:12

Oh that was really good. Yeah, I'm a three sixty

1:01:15

member. When did you get the invite? Tell me? Girl?

1:01:17

Are you gonna tell me?

1:01:18

It's just same girl?

1:01:21

They got that on one dye they

1:01:24

proposed to me. I

1:01:29

don't remember. I just literallyicked on my phone one day and I was

1:01:31

like, oh, I'm a three sixty member, and I don't really

1:01:33

recall how it happened. So jealous. I don't know

1:01:36

what the perks are though, Like, what is it you

1:01:38

just get to I don't know, Sleigh. I

1:01:41

mean, I did fly so fucking

1:01:43

much, right, Well, I

1:01:46

mean, I just I

1:01:49

guess I'm jealous of you. What's three Yeah?

1:01:52

Current status Delta three sixty.

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I'm jealous because you're three sixty and because

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you have stepped into your destiny with get

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out of my dreams and into my are Get.

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On of mad dreams.

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It's now time for Jared Frieder. I don't think so, honey.

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Do you have one? Do you? I know you can do one

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on this episode You've contributed and contributed.

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That all means that you come through with I

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don't think so, honey.

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Okay, give me five seconds.

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Okay, I have it. Ah, do you want

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to tie him?

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One second? Yeah, I'll time him. This

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is Jared Frieder's I don't think sobody. As time starts

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new, I don't.

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Think so honey. Radio counting for too much

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to the Billboard Hot one hundred. Why is Morgan

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Wallin still at number one? Fatay six

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week in a row, when Espresso my Girl is

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still stuck at number three?

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It's radio.

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I don't need these country radio stations playing

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these racists on and on and on so they can top

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the charts. That's not why I'm gay,

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That's not why Billboard's my homepage. I don't

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need to see that man's face. I want Sabrina,

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I want Chapel, I want Charlie. I want the streams

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to count for more. I wantn't know what the people are

1:02:51

listening to. Okay, that should be reflected

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in these charts. I'm tired of. I'm tired

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of I mean much left to iHeartRadio,

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sponsor and host of Lost but

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somebody, but some of these

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other radio stations are just out out

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of control and it's too much. And

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I think that we would have gotten I think

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two most Wanted would have charted higher. I

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think more of Tortured Poet to have charted higher.

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Country go back to country radio and less You're

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Meren Morris and then honey, welcome

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you can say, especially now that

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you're the be in legitimatigue?

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Did I say that right?

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You did?

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And that's one minute charid uh So,

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how do you know the country artists don't stream

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well?

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They stream well? But the reason

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that like Espresso was blocked from the top spot

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when like the More the World was because of Morgan

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and just like other other radio

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friendly songs like we love Tody Swims,

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we love Lose Control, we love Benson, but we love

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beautiful things. But these songs that feel

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like they are not in the culture but remain on the

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charts because the clause and grips of like forty

1:03:52

five year old men who.

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Program radio is stupid.

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Well, I was gonna ask you, are

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you using the word radio as like a

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short to just saying country radio, because

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I think it's just country radio playing. It's like one

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part of the radio, like peace

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exactly.

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But country radio stations, I feel like, take

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so much of the airwaves because that demographic

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of people still listen to the radio more

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than other people do. And I just think

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that, like the way that the charts work is

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that I forget the breakdown of percentage, but

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streaming purchasing like iTunes,

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then like YouTube, and like when

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you're watching something like that's gone viral,

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and then radio. All are different components to what

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adds to it's too big of

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a coming, too big of a percentage, And I think that like

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in the old and timey days, radio

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indicated what songs were the biggest in the country because

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that was the way that you got music to the people. And

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now that is not the way that we get music to the people.

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People can choose their own music, and that really indicates

1:04:47

what's number one in the country. And

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I think that radio should count for a lot less.

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But Isn't it true though, that

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like that would be like because if

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a lot of people like in the middle and south of the

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country, like don't have streamers and

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they do listen to the radio, like it still

1:05:03

is an accurate reflection of the fact that those songs are

1:05:06

huge.

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I think that people in the south in the middle of the

1:05:09

country are on Spotify and Apple Music.

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I think that like it's no longer like

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an economic thing because there are ad supportive

1:05:15

services where people it's like not it's

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not like a haves and have nots thing. Like you could

1:05:20

make the argument during like the iTunes era

1:05:22

when it was like Gaga and keshow and we were in college

1:05:25

and it was like radio or iTunes.

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Well then like of course radio because not everyone

1:05:29

can purchase music in that way. But it's

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so much more democratized now, like it really

1:05:33

it's not like an economic factor

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in the way that it was, So I just think it's a little outdated.

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I still think it should make up a portion

1:05:41

of percentage points that add to where something

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charts, but I don't think it should be as high

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as it is now. Like there's no reason that Espresso

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did not get number, Like it's crazy that Espresso's

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not number one in the States, right, It's crazy.

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I think there is some weighting

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weightedness around radio.

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Yeah. And also the fact is like when a song

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played on the radio, like that is like

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no one hit play for it, like right, like a radio

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station was chose to program

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a certain amount of songs. And also I know there's like

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a lot of you know talk, I

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mean, Maren talked about it when she was on this podcast,

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like, you know, country

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radio is not kind to women, and

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it's very competitive, which

1:06:22

is you know, it's just the

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these stations are literally saying, Okay,

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we have twenty songs that we play and

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that's it. Like people actually going on Spotify

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and clicking on certain songs,

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like is an elective like action

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that should be rewarded in the charts. That being

1:06:39

said, I also wonder how and I do have

1:06:41

some experience with this, having put

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out an album in one song was

1:06:46

put on playlists. Yeah, that is also

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very powerful and also serves as

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a thing that someone's not necessarily

1:06:54

electing to do because you

1:06:56

know, it's on a playlist and you might just be playing that

1:06:58

playlist. But I

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do agree with you.

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The first response to that is you have to listen to

1:07:03

a song for thirty seconds of the stream

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so they can hit click next and it doesn't count.

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Yes.

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And then the second thing that I'll also say

1:07:12

is that, just like Girl

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So confusing, the Lord version was not

1:07:17

on New Music Friday on the playlist on

1:07:19

Spotify, and I was like, shook, I it's

1:07:21

one of the biggest releases that week culturally again,

1:07:23

and the stream suffer.

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No.

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A debuted at number sixty three because even

1:07:27

if it's not on a playlist, if the

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people want to listen to it, they will find

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it.

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But had it been playlisted, it also

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would have happened like a right, So

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we know that there is something in the streaming

1:07:40

world that does also serve as a

1:07:42

radio type of waiter that might

1:07:44

affect something like this totally. Now,

1:07:47

Jared, I feel like, has a very granular

1:07:49

knowledge of this because he is in a very competitive

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Billboard Fantasy Charts

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lead. Do you want to speak on that?

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Yeah, shout out to Emmitt, our friend Emmitt from

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there. Yeah, I'm in the

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Billboard Hot one hundreds Fantasy League, and I always

1:08:02

lose because whereas other people

1:08:05

will look at what's charting or like what albums are

1:08:07

coming out I'm like, oh, I will pick Taylor Swift every

1:08:09

I don't care if she was in an album coming out, I will

1:08:11

pick Taylor. I always picked the girls. I will pick Miley.

1:08:13

Did Miley have an album when I had her for a whole semester

1:08:16

she didn't. But I need to pick my girls.

1:08:19

So I always lose. But

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it's really fun and it's a fun way to keep up with music.

1:08:24

Even lose on Taylor.

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Well, it's because sometimes I don't get a pick tailor.

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Because this round, I like,

1:08:30

my draft pick was Solo and she was dropping.

1:08:33

Who she get?

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Okay, Well, my first pick was Billy, which

1:08:37

ended up being a great and that's she performed

1:08:39

at the end. But Met himself was like, you should

1:08:41

trade Billy, and I'm like, she's going to come out with an album.

1:08:43

It's going to sligh. So she ended up doing

1:08:45

really well. I had Megan thee Stallion for a little while, traded

1:08:48

her. I have Kendrick Lamar, which has worked out for me in

1:08:50

spades because of this wrap feud. Oh

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oh yes, I was telling me that, oh yeah, that's

1:08:55

very huge. And I had Jack Harlowe,

1:08:58

which at the time when we did the draft,

1:09:00

loving on me is like was then number

1:09:02

one for six weeks, and I still hold the record

1:09:05

in my fantasy league for having the most

1:09:08

number ones even though I don't earn

1:09:10

the most points.

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That's a lot, and it's a lot

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we have. We have to thank Jack Carlow.

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We have to thank Jeff. We have to thank Jack Carlow.

1:09:18

And we also have to thank Jared because

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Jared came on this episode mad as hell

1:09:23

and he you spit so much rhyme and

1:09:25

bars.

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Thank you so much. It was it was a pleasure to be

1:09:29

here.

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Cute boy with a mine.

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I have one more thing to say, Yeah, what do you want to say

1:09:37

to everyone before we go on vacation? Gosh,

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I don't know. Well, this is what you're gonna

1:09:44

leave them with? The

1:09:46

airport to the airport?

1:09:55

He hope, Goga it doesn't Moon album, but

1:09:58

I think she will.

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You want to know why why? Because

1:10:05

and every episode of the song oh hell

1:10:14

us some of the rest of that stream arm

1:10:17

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it for? This what

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