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Look maher oh, I see you
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my own and look over there
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is that culture. Yess wow,
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let's cult. Ding
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donges is
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calling you really dug into
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those syllables. My friend, Today
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isn't ding dong. Today is ding
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dong like today is let's
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go. You gotta give the ding and the dong
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a little sound extra today for the culture. I
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mean, if you say so, because you
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point of transparency for the listeners
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for our pekf's. I asked Matt if
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he wants to do the year this year. I know we've been a little
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bit behind trust and believe the segment
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is not done. We've got many more
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years to go. But Matt said,
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I don't think we can today because and he flashed
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his phone screen in front of me on the zoom. He
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said, we've got a lot to cover, And
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I said, you're right, we have so much.
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To talk about and not for nothing, but all of
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these things could all have their own episodes.
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So I just feel as though it's a little crowd of
1:00
this week to then. Can you imagine
1:03
like Oscar Week, like the big pop
1:05
curly album that's out, like Doune
1:07
two is out, like the Royal Family
1:09
is finally maybe in complete shambles
1:12
like I saw Madonna.
1:14
All it took was photoshop to kill the royal family.
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We will get into it, but what I'm saying is, I
1:19
feel like, can you imagine if we just didn't talk
1:21
about all this and we're like, so, what happened in twenty
1:23
thirteen, Like that doesn't sense to
1:25
me?
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I know. No, there's stuff happening in twenty
1:28
twenty four that we really need to
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address.
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And that's actually really culture number nine. There's
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stuff happening.
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In twenty four that we really
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need to do address.
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I want to start by saying, and maybe
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this will make us segue into one
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of those topics.
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But Bowen, you
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crushed this last week.
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You were so good. Nice
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If you didn't watch SNL yet Bowen
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and Ariana Grande did Who's the
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musical Guest? She did an amazing job. They did
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Mulan Rouge sketch, which could not
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have been easy to do, and I know
2:04
you, my girl, like you put your
2:06
foot in that one. Aha. The hardest
2:09
thing about it was just selling it as
2:11
an idea because God loved
2:13
this man and the producers. But Lauren and
2:15
me, the top brass at SNL, have
2:18
this note with everything where they're like why now,
2:20
yeah and thankfully and
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it was Lauren's idea. I was like tied into
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the Oscars. The Oscars are this weekend. We're
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like, okay, sure, And then I looked it up. I was like, oh, Mula
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Rouge the first musical nominated
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for Best Picture since Beauty
2:33
and the Beast, So like there was a long
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stretch of time. I guess that's what I'm doing, the
2:38
math beating the This was eighty nine or ninety
2:40
that was like ninety one, ninety one, ninety
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two or something like that. That's a full decade.
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Yeah, But now, of course Best Picture and
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ever since the extension to ten films,
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and we'll get into the Oscars later, but now it's like, oh,
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movie musicals are I guess kind of commonplace
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in that category.
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When Mulan Rouge came out, I remember that was like
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it feels like one of a million times that you've heard
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like the musical is back, and then all of a sudden,
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like you'll hear the musicals out again, and then.
3:04
It will come back.
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Like really, what I think happens is when a movie
3:07
is good, then that genre is back. If
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you can believe that people are sort of
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hyperbolic about the way they talk about these things,
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especially as it relates to the film
3:16
industry, like that is what happens. But
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yeah, Mulan rouge. The thing that's so great
3:21
about it and the why now doesn't even really
3:23
matter because it's so iconic that
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like when you see her in
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that wig and that seteene wig, and like you
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using that voice and like them doing this song,
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even that set, like the set.
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We got to give it up to the folks at SNL
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Production Design. They really lea Yoshimura
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legend was like, we can't do it,
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and I was like, okay, well, whatever
3:45
you guys come up with will be fine. And
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I love these people, but of course they have
3:51
to pull off the impossible every week. Yeah,
3:54
and they made it look incredible And
3:56
that little like palanquin thing on
3:58
top of the elephant took so much space on
4:00
the floor that we could not bring
4:02
our guests to We Can't Be Friends for the first
4:05
musical performance because there was just no room. And
4:07
I was like, oh, damn, well,
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I feel bad about that. I feel bad that the guests that SNL
4:13
cannot the guests of cast could not go
4:15
to the floor and watch that song. First
4:17
of all, guests of cast will be just fine.
4:19
And I think what happens there is they watch it from
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the back and they see her other performance and they're totally
4:23
fine. What was important is that you guys
4:26
were literally given the actual physical space
4:28
and emotional space to deliver that
4:30
sketch. It was really funny, Like you guys should
4:32
definitely check it out. And I really liked the other
4:34
sketch too, which was the people pleaser.
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As anonymous, I thought that was really funny. Thank
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you, thank you, Alison Gates. Overall,
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what an amazing episode. Josh Brolan,
4:44
what a gem. He's really good,
4:46
really good, really consummate professional,
4:49
great, perfect example of a host. Yeah,
4:51
lovely, lovely man, to say nothing of
4:54
Miss Scarlett Johansson. Oh my goodness,
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crushing Katie Britt.
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I really I hope this doesn't become a Tina
5:01
Face Sarah Palin thing, because that means that Katie
5:04
Britt will have become part of the culture
5:06
and I really don't want that. But I
5:09
said, I haven't seen Scarlett Johansson tear up
5:11
comedy like this since.
5:12
Don John, which
5:15
I haven't seen. You haven't seen Don
5:17
John on my face, Oh
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my god, Like that's
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such a good one. Jose Levin Joseph Gordon
5:24
Levit, who I believe also wrote and directed it, and
5:27
Scarlett Johansson play is just like
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that Long Island Staten Island
5:33
girl, like you know what I mean, Like just like
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it's and she's having a lot of fun with it, and she's
5:38
like so like hot that it's so funny,
5:40
and it's just a really good one. Good at that,
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Yeah, I mean, like who could forget Look at this one,
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Look look at that one, Look at this one. You gotta
5:46
buy a chandeliah.
5:47
We were joking, we
5:49
were joking the other day, like someone was saying,
5:51
like, oh, Scarlett Johnson is Katie Britt, Like that's
5:53
her best comedy performance of
5:56
her entire career. I was like, yeah, well
5:58
it's up there with like you look, get this one, get
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that one the chandeliers.
6:01
And I was like, oh not everyone knows that sketch.
6:03
That's so funny.
6:05
But also she did another SNL
6:07
sketch, God god god it was.
6:09
I think it was with Keenan where she was the funeral
6:11
singers. That's so good.
6:13
And then she also did a really good deep house
6:15
dish back in the deep House dishes of course my favorite
6:18
sketch.
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Of all times by the time James Anderson Series
6:20
of sketches James Anderson. But she
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did a song called co Check. This
6:25
Jacket's expensive, Oh
6:31
so good, So I do love it. What
6:33
a gem. Well that was really really great.
6:35
And you know, just to talk about her performances
6:38
that you must have been able to see them live a bunch ari
6:40
stuff. Yeah, yeah, I saw, I
6:42
saw her soundcheck. Just those
6:45
songs are really really, really good.
6:47
The whole album should be what do you want to start off
6:49
with the album? Let's talk about the album.
6:51
Let's talk about the album. Yeah.
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I have to say, like I
6:56
am so obsessed with this and
6:58
like I can't remember a time
7:01
when I was so into
7:03
an album immediately. But actually
7:06
it dropped at so nine pm in
7:08
LA because we were on the way to see Madonna
7:11
and so so I made like a last minute decision
7:13
to go see Madonna, like because I love
7:16
the Night of I guess people sell
7:18
their tickets on ticket Masters, so the price is kind
7:20
of dip. But I was like, you
7:22
know what, what, am I crazy? Like I'm not gonna go
7:24
see Madonna? Like of course I'm gonna go and so
7:27
we'll get to that later. But on the way there,
7:30
on the way that we listened to the whole album,
7:32
like I think it was like all
7:35
the way through and then we started it over again.
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I am as
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someone.
7:41
Who's like culture, and like
7:43
that made me say, cultures for me is very much like
7:45
that late nineties Mariah, you
7:47
know, like this is very much
7:49
my shit. Like it's like,
7:51
tell me that something is more for me than
7:54
these R and B vocals over
7:57
these like sexy little hooks, this vocal
7:59
stocking, all these harmonies, just like avalanche
8:02
of harmonies. She does her vocal production.
8:04
She really shows the girls how it's done
8:07
with these like singer songwriter lyrics,
8:09
like with like dance influences,
8:11
and like I just feel I
8:14
feel, I.
8:15
Just feel I feel I feel, and
8:17
so does she. I feel
8:19
that. I think I
8:22
have my favorite Ari pre chorus
8:24
hook of all time, which
8:27
is something about
8:29
Mames Mady like
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me maybeke him mom. It's
8:34
so like she's a siren,
8:37
that girl.
8:38
Yeah, in terms of vocals, obviously,
8:41
there's no one in her like peer
8:43
group that really is capable
8:45
of what she can do. And
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I don't even mean just like singing
8:49
down like all over the place. What
8:51
I mean is like she and
8:55
I don't know if it's because of Wicked
8:57
or just because of like a way that
8:59
she's trured or a way that she feels
9:01
she needs to serve this particular album.
9:03
But the storytelling is better than
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it's ever been, and I wonder
9:08
like and not to do that thing of.
9:10
Like she doesn't enunciate back in the day, but
9:12
like you know, she was loose with the
9:14
way that she would like phrase you
9:16
know what I mean, like and she would give it a lot of stylization,
9:19
whereas this is just like very
9:21
direct. She's in like this
9:23
different register than she is
9:26
oftentimes like so that you
9:29
really feel like there's something else that's important
9:31
to her here, which is like telling this story
9:34
of this these relationships,
9:36
you know, and how they interact with each
9:38
other in this concept of the Eternal
9:41
Sunshine thing, because it really is lightly
9:43
like a concept album. Yeah, and
9:46
I think of it as like not
9:48
necessarily biographical
9:51
or autobiographical. I don't think it is. Yeah,
9:53
Like I think the big tell is her
9:56
use of the word like got to get out of this situation
9:58
that it's like, okay, this is kind
10:01
of there are liberties
10:04
being taken with like real
10:08
life experiences, and that's all
10:10
I'll say. But yeah,
10:12
I think it is this thing of what
10:14
I love that I think she hasn't done in her
10:16
albums is like poses
10:19
a question at the beginning, answers it by the end,
10:21
love it perfect circle. Yeah.
10:24
Yeah, I think that she's spoken
10:26
in interviews about the fact that like it is not
10:29
autobiographical necessarily, it is based
10:31
on certain things that she's gone through. But this
10:33
isn't one thing I want to say about
10:36
sort of the macro thing, right, like the Ariana
10:38
grande of it all in terms of the past
10:41
you know, year or so, in terms of the
10:43
media narrative and stuff like that, and how that gets
10:46
filtered into the work. And I feel comfortable
10:48
like bringing it up now because
10:50
she's now made art about it. And
10:53
I want to say just a couple things.
10:56
Let me just first say that if people
10:58
are going to be like, oh, they're just being
11:01
sickophantic because bow And is friends with her, I
11:03
just I would hope that people would
11:05
think more of us than that.
11:07
And also like, if.
11:08
Like you've listened to this podcast and
11:11
you think that we're getting on here
11:14
and like doing our jobs
11:16
badly because we can't be subjective about this stuff.
11:18
You guys, we just wouldn't.
11:19
Bring it up at all. Like if we didn't
11:21
like the album and we didn't want to like hurt
11:23
her feelings, we wouldn't bring it up at all. Like,
11:26
first of all, do your research on it. I'll
11:28
speak for myself, like this is so my
11:31
shit like that, like, don't
11:33
tell me I don't like this.
11:34
This is my favorite fucking album of the
11:36
moment.
11:36
And I actually was listening to it last night again
11:39
and being like I doubt that something
11:41
even touches this, but just like I'm
11:43
not lying to you on this podcast, I
11:46
think that this album is like really
11:48
special and specific, and yeah,
11:50
sure I think it can relate to what she's gone through,
11:53
but also there's obvious things about this and
11:55
she's talked about this and spoken to this that
11:57
it's like an extrapolation.
11:59
On these kinds of things.
12:00
And this album will remain special
12:02
to me because I feel
12:05
like it really accurately depicts
12:07
that thing of when
12:10
one relationship is ending and you
12:12
can see in the forming
12:14
of something else why it needs
12:16
to end. Sometimes it feels
12:18
like you have to sort through
12:21
your like guilt, accountability,
12:24
you'll regrets about a certain thing in
12:27
order to move
12:29
through, and that's a really tough process.
12:32
And I feel like all of those emotions
12:34
are in this album, and so I commend
12:37
her in the face of what probably had
12:39
to feel like a lot of pressure. And
12:41
I'm sure for some people it will never be enough.
12:44
But what I love about this album is
12:46
it's not like flexing
12:49
on anybody. It's like very
12:53
I think it's really complex and all
12:55
the emotions that go with a
12:57
relationship ending a new one, starting
13:00
being self conscious about the way that it started,
13:02
feeling guilty, feeling excited,
13:05
feeling horny for something that's new, It's
13:07
all there in a way that like
13:11
I am really connecting too as
13:13
someone who's been in difficult relationships
13:15
and emotional situations in the past, Like I'm
13:19
feeling that there's a lot of truth and authenticity
13:21
in this.
13:22
Yes, truth and authenticity in
13:25
conjunction with like a sensitivity. I
13:28
think I can say that not
13:31
an autobiographical as an album, but
13:33
she was very, very
13:35
very purposeful about
13:39
the way people would be portrayed
13:41
in this and the way she would portray herself
13:43
in this, and how it's not a totally
13:45
like my hands were clean. It's
13:48
not like she could have absolutely put out an album that
13:50
was like I'm going
13:52
to preserve and protect things about
13:54
my own image or rest
13:58
the narrative from someone
14:01
or the media or people
14:03
in these situations. I mean, I think we can't
14:06
be friends is not necessarily a lot. It's about
14:09
her portrayal, the way the media relates
14:12
to her.
14:12
I've always felt that. Yeah, and I almost
14:15
feel like it's about her fans too, Yeah,
14:17
like.
14:17
Know that you made me. I'm watching
14:19
the lyrics. I'm still here hanging love
14:22
that wait until you love me, Like
14:24
we can't be friends, but I like to pretend.
14:27
I like to just pretend, like clean your papers and
14:29
pens. I'll wait for your love again. Like She's
14:31
like, we're in a tough spot right now, and I
14:33
get it, Like I
14:35
didn't think you would understand me, but like,
14:38
you know, it's all these things that are incredibly
14:41
fragile and I think very
14:43
nuanced and there
14:46
is I'm just sticking this is the only thing that I'm
14:48
going to acknowledge about the situation, which
14:50
is that like there is such a
14:54
unqueer, puritanical
14:57
Christian way we are approaching marriage
14:59
in the discourse very like trad wife.
15:02
I'm like, this is interesting, Like
15:04
everyone's being very like this sanctity
15:06
of marriage. Of course it is so
15:08
much more complicated than that. But at
15:11
the heart of these conversations that we've had
15:13
in like infidelity discourse
15:15
with everybody,
15:18
because I will also just say, like
15:20
the thing and we can't be friends, is like the
15:22
narrative is wrong. The narrative
15:25
is wrong. And she's not even outwardly saying
15:27
that, but the narrative has been
15:30
incorrect, and people have even retracted
15:32
things in these stories with
15:35
no fucking apology to the people who are
15:37
involved. Yeah, yep, I can
15:39
tell you for a fact that
15:42
what people out there seem to be clinging
15:44
onto correct is incorrect.
15:46
Yeah. I mean that's I guess.
15:48
Another thing of it is it's
15:51
not that people sound silly or
15:53
sound dumb. It's just watching something
15:55
in action when the truth
15:58
is something else that has
16:00
to be incredibly frustrating for
16:03
everyone. In terms of like people
16:05
attacking like the sanctity of marriage or whatever.
16:08
I think that people's point is that it's
16:10
more than that, because there was a young physic or
16:12
young family, et cetera, all these things. But
16:16
I think that and I'm just gonna
16:18
speak in terms of my personal experience here,
16:21
and I'm just gonna share this. Sometimes
16:24
I think it feels like when
16:27
you have a sort of cosmic thing happen
16:30
where you fall in love in such an intense
16:32
way, and it
16:34
almost feels like the right thing to
16:36
do is to move forward with that for
16:39
everyone involved.
16:40
Do you know what I mean? Like if you have a situation
16:42
where it feels absolute
16:45
in terms of the actionable
16:47
thing, it is so
16:51
consuming in a way that like can
16:53
be destructive, but
16:56
it cannot feel that way from within
16:58
that closed system of like two
17:01
people. I mean, it's like it makes it
17:03
cliche for like the
17:06
man to like fuck the secretary, which is
17:08
not what's happening here, but it's like it's why this
17:10
thing persists in like humanity,
17:13
you know.
17:14
Yeah, I think that we
17:17
love a gray area, and we love
17:19
like an anti hero, and we love
17:22
like something that's complicated and emotional
17:25
and fraud as long as
17:27
it's not real. I think we
17:29
want to root for Olivia Pope to fuck
17:31
that president for the rest of our life, you
17:33
know what I mean, Like we root for true love like
17:35
we've and in other senses, like you
17:38
know, fucking like we want
17:40
complexity. It feels like everywhere
17:44
else except what's real, because
17:46
then when something is real and we can make
17:48
it about us, we can become
17:51
the complex figure. But the fact
17:53
is like everyone's a human being
17:55
and like goes through things, and
17:57
sometimes this shit
18:00
is more complicated than you
18:03
would think, especially for
18:05
someone who has been
18:07
through like specific
18:10
relationship trauma, specific
18:13
emotional trauma as it relates
18:15
to the past,
18:17
the way that she's been treated, the way
18:20
that she has seen her relationships
18:23
start and end. That is something
18:25
that's like it's difficult when
18:27
you are public because
18:29
it looks it almost
18:31
looks like a sort of like thing
18:34
you can't possibly take seriously. But
18:36
the fact is, like it
18:38
is not our life. You have to
18:40
imagine that people are not doing things with
18:43
destructive impulses. You can't
18:45
imagine that anyone meets and
18:47
are like, wow, you know what we're
18:49
about to do ruin lives,
18:53
Like we're about to be emblematic for something
18:55
bad. No, no one goes out
18:57
in their life and does that. What people do
18:59
is that they go out in their life and they engage
19:02
with other people, and they engage with their emotions,
19:04
and sometimes things happen and
19:06
I feel like we are allowing a complexity
19:09
in fictional people, but not real
19:11
people. And I think it's really
19:14
crazy what happens in the
19:16
discourse. And I'm not saying you have to like
19:18
her. I'm not saying you have to like
19:21
the album. I'm not saying you have to agree with me
19:23
or agree with Bowen. But what I'm saying
19:25
is like we should probably allow
19:28
for the possibility that not everything
19:30
is exactly what it seems, because
19:33
it feels like when we
19:35
engage with entertainment that would suggest
19:37
that we're all in and we can understand
19:40
it. But then when it's a headline
19:43
about someone that we can be ready made
19:45
to criticize and hate and project
19:47
on, we lose all ability
19:50
to see shades
19:53
of gray in any situation.
19:55
And that is what's happening here,
19:57
full stop.
19:59
What's great great about it is we have this excellent
20:02
art and that we can
20:04
have a discourse about.
20:05
Sure, she could have very
20:07
easily made this a
20:09
reputation album, an album
20:12
that was like, fuck you, I've
20:15
been completely misunderstood. I
20:18
will emerge from this victorious,
20:21
if not like completely alienated from
20:24
a whole kind of narrative that's been
20:27
created out of my control.
20:29
But I think instead it's this very
20:32
fragile, delicate work,
20:36
and I think it's her most sonically
20:38
cohesive album. I think it has just
20:40
such a specific vocabulary,
20:43
Like I really think she
20:46
like came out of positions
20:48
and was, like I put out my Vibes album, let me
20:50
go back to like the root of
20:52
this thing for me, which is like I
20:54
was singing Mariah since I could talk, you
20:56
know, like, let me go back
20:58
to that. And I really
21:00
feel comfortable talking about this, and anyone who's
21:03
rolling their eyes at what I'm about to say can
21:05
really go fuck off. I
21:08
have understood in recent months
21:11
that like a media narrative can
21:13
be completely consuming
21:16
and devastating and like
21:19
frustrate you to know, and because of how
21:21
wrong it is. Yeah, and
21:25
having your name be put in sentences
21:27
along with other names as a way of like canceling
21:30
anything you do out of
21:32
like invalidating
21:34
what you do, like pushing absolute
21:37
falsehoods. I'm sorry, it
21:39
is a really fucking disorienting
21:41
thing to experience. Yeah, I'm just gonna
21:43
say that. And I'm sure people who listen to this have
21:46
experienced this on different levels, scales
21:48
bigger than mine, smaller than mine. It doesn't matter. But
21:50
you must understand that there's something universal about
21:52
this thing of like, oh no, you don't. You've
21:55
completely misinterpreted,
21:58
not even misinterpreted, just like mistaken
22:02
on a literal level, like what has
22:04
happened to me? What I have done, what I have not done?
22:07
And you can be completely
22:09
vindictive about that, or you can make the choice to
22:11
just move forward and make something out of it if
22:13
you want, cope with it, process it.
22:16
This girl knows how to process shit through her work.
22:19
Like we've known that to be true since years
22:22
and years and years ago. Like let
22:25
her cook, as we say, now you
22:27
know what I mean, leave it alone? Yeah,
22:31
just leave it alone.
22:31
That's all I mean for me
22:34
too, Like it's just what's been created
22:36
out of whatever she's gone through, like
22:38
in her old relationship, whatever she's
22:41
experienced entering a new one. Is this
22:43
really cohesive story
22:46
that I think that is eternal sunshine, which
22:48
is starting with am I in there?
22:50
Like right relationship? I don't know?
22:52
I actually am positive I'm not and for me
22:54
that's by but obviously
22:57
I slip up and there's I don't want to break up
22:59
again, Like I'm still going back and forth. I just remember
23:01
when my last relationship ended. There were so
23:03
many times where I thought I was done, you
23:05
know what I mean. There were so many times where I thought like that,
23:08
I was like on my boy by shit,
23:10
you know what I mean. But then you slip back
23:13
and you realize, like what am
23:15
I doing to hurt someone?
23:17
How have I been hurt? Like?
23:19
Do I not like this person anymore?
23:22
My favorite element of the whole album,
23:24
like my favorite section is we Can't Be Friends into
23:26
I Wish I Hated You like I had to talk
23:28
about it in therapy, like the we
23:31
Can't Be Friends music video, which really
23:33
is the story of the whole album.
23:36
I was.
23:36
I tried to cry when I first saw it, and
23:38
then I cried about it in therapy talking about
23:40
it, and then I cried about thinking about therapy
23:43
later, like I was. It was pisce seasoned
23:45
down, like and this album is coming at a
23:47
really fraud astrological
23:50
time. But I have to say,
23:52
like I Wish I hated you like that
23:55
is really ultimately at the end,
23:58
the fact that that's really the last song that's about
24:00
the old relationship before she ends it like
24:02
in a state of peace about the fact that like she's going
24:04
to try to step forward like and really
24:06
like actualize this.
24:08
Thing that she deeply believes is the love of her
24:10
life. Like the last thing that
24:12
she says is there's no
24:14
way I can justify
24:17
anything other than what I will always have
24:19
for you, which is just love. Like
24:22
I got into this relationship with you. Oops.
24:28
Oh, I got into this relationship
24:30
with you because I love you. And then that's actually never
24:33
gonna go away, Like even if
24:35
something, even if shit really goes down,
24:37
like if shit really burns down, what's
24:39
gonna always be true is
24:42
that there was so much love there.
24:44
And hopefully at the end of every relationship,
24:46
like what you can do is leave
24:48
it and you can remember
24:50
what was really important was that you loved somebody
24:53
and that they loved you back, and hopefully
24:55
that's always the leaf behind.
24:57
Yeah, I mean it should be. And of course situations
24:59
are ugly, and of course shit doesn't always make
25:01
sense. But I
25:04
guess the last thing I'll say is that we can't
25:07
we shouldn't be demanding that people,
25:09
especially artists, be perfect.
25:12
Of course, like have your opinions, like
25:14
you know what I mean, But we're
25:17
going to live in a very boring world if
25:19
everyone just acts the way that you want them
25:21
to. And if we can't ever learn
25:24
from people, and we can't ever like
25:26
absorb people, and we can't ever have like
25:28
difficult situations reflected back to us.
25:31
And this is very conflicted, I
25:33
think, at times tortured, at
25:35
times euphoric. Like the
25:37
work asks a lot of questions and answers
25:40
some of them, Like everything is very
25:42
in process, and I you know,
25:45
I hope the best for anyone that's
25:47
like representing their relationship.
25:49
Here or feel seen by the
25:52
work here.
25:52
I hope that you know, everyone
25:55
can find like a piece with love
25:57
in their life, you know what I mean. But like I
26:00
also know that cosmic
26:02
love and those feelings, you know, they don't
26:05
always pan out in the best
26:07
way. And here's what you can know. If
26:10
anyone's going to really pay for it, it'll
26:12
be the people that took the risks. So don't
26:14
you worry out there, like if
26:17
what you really want is for people that you
26:19
don't agree with to fail,
26:21
like who knows, like they just might,
26:24
But I would hope that we're not rooting
26:26
for that.
26:27
No, But you know, if
26:29
you are a big believer in karma,
26:32
if you think this invites karma, which
26:35
I'm here to tell you again that
26:37
your set of facts is not I'm
26:39
not going to reveal the actual facts because
26:42
they're not mine to reveal, but I can
26:44
say that the matrix
26:46
of information that you are using to like draw
26:49
a line to the karmaic outcome you want
26:52
is not existent.
26:54
Yeah, And I would say that,
26:57
you know, even thinking about like us going
26:59
back like five years, like some
27:01
people being like, oh if this or five years ago,
27:04
they would tear her up, you know what I mean, or like
27:06
whatever, Like.
27:06
I would hope that we don't talk about these
27:08
things the same way we did five years ago, because
27:11
maybe the tone has changed for the general
27:14
culture consuming population, you know
27:16
what I mean, Like all of us are kind of evaluating
27:18
things differently. I
27:20
mean, I don't know what to tell you. If you get the ick from
27:22
thinking that we are like defending
27:25
these people that, like most of whom
27:27
we don't really have that much of a connection
27:29
with anyway, Yeah, then fine,
27:33
I'm here to tell you, like, would
27:36
you be putting your friends your coworkers
27:38
on blast? Absolutely
27:40
not. Yeah, shut the fuck up. And it's not a
27:42
transactional thing. It's not that like this is a muzzle.
27:45
But like I'm just gonna
27:47
say this is someone who has been like a true
27:50
friend to me, and I I
27:52
love she has shown me like whatever,
27:54
not that that buys you like she
27:59
had.
27:59
But two things can be true. I believe that every
28:01
single fucking thing we just said is true. And I also
28:03
believe that you're goddamn right. If
28:06
something went down, especially
28:08
during that time when you were not having an easy
28:10
time, I knew that you had someone that was like really
28:12
looking out for you and really writing hard for you and
28:15
like really being there for you. And I will
28:17
be fucking grateful to that person forever
28:20
because there's nothing I care about more than you
28:23
and the fact that someone had your back.
28:25
Yeah, so what we are gonna fucking have that
28:27
person's back anyway.
28:32
That's the album. I love it.
28:35
I fucking love that, and also like not
28:37
for nothing, but it will be so
28:40
identifiable with a moment, and
28:42
she should feel so proud of herself. I said,
28:44
you know who's definitely proud of her for this, fucking
28:46
Mariah. Mariah would have made this album
28:49
if she was already on his age and like if
28:51
this was like that moment in time for her.
28:53
This album reminds me of many ways of Butterfly.
28:56
It reminds me of like, you know, it
28:59
reminds me of like new era Mariah, because
29:01
I do believe where this is new era
29:03
Ari, Like she talks about how you know, it's
29:06
equal parts to Mariah and image and heap.
29:08
I think that is so executed.
29:10
So well, And I don't know what
29:12
I care about ultimately is that fucking
29:14
art is good and interesting and
29:17
makes people think, it makes people feel.
29:19
This is all those things to me, well
29:22
fucking done.
29:23
I mean, like it's this is definitely gonna be one
29:25
of my favorite albums of the year and I will listen
29:27
to it forever. And I fucking love
29:29
positions. I love when Ariana Grande is
29:31
like yuh, yuh, my pussy is a
29:33
strawberry.
29:34
Like don't don't get me wrong, Like
29:36
I love pussy is a strawberry, right,
29:39
you know what I mean? Like I love I'm
29:41
rich love it and like,
29:43
but like it would have been so easy for her too to just
29:45
do an album with that and sidestep this whole
29:47
thing and be like it's me Ari yet. Yeah,
29:50
but like she did, there's not a a
29:52
miss. Okay,
30:03
what else is there in the culture that
30:05
you want to talk about? I thought they were like one of the
30:07
best oscars I'd seen in a while. Like I thought
30:10
they were delightful, it wasn't like an amazing
30:12
show for me personally, although I think the wind
30:15
never is. It never is. The winds
30:17
were very satisfying up until I would say the
30:19
end maybe, but not like
30:21
all of them at the end. But I will say
30:24
I mean the Boy and the hairn winning were
30:26
things winning the technical oscars. I was like, okay,
30:29
like this is there's an even spread
30:31
here. I am like, oh, kind of a bummer
30:33
that the only two shutouts within Best Picture
30:35
were Killers, the Fire Moon
30:37
and Maestro. Not a bummer, but it's like it would
30:39
have been. It kind of would have been like a great
30:42
thing if like all ten movies had gotten
30:45
some flowers. That's all. Yeah.
30:47
I think that, like ultimately,
30:50
the Oppenheimer of it all is kind of all
30:52
because I feel like at least I can speak for myself. I went out
30:55
of my way to see everything. I did
30:57
end up seeing Killers. I did end
30:59
up seeing out of interest zone, which
31:01
was hard. But I a one
31:03
hundred percent agree with it winning
31:06
what it won. I think the best Sound win is a
31:08
really inspired choice because
31:10
sound is so crucial to the
31:12
success and how hard
31:14
that movie hits. But it beating
31:16
Oppenheimer was obviously a surprise. But I guess
31:19
the big note there is in terms of
31:21
sound, one thing we need to be able to.
31:22
Hear is the dialogue.
31:23
Oh so that would be I guess my thing
31:26
about Oppenheimer, which I respect, it's when
31:28
I understand and respect that people
31:30
feel that that's by far the best movie of the year.
31:32
I do disagree. And I say this as
31:34
a Christopher Nolan fucking super fan I
31:36
am. I am Dark Knight hive. I
31:39
love Inception.
31:40
You can catch me weeping to Interstellar,
31:43
like you know what I mean, Like I love Christopher
31:46
Nolan. I just think this
31:48
almost tough because the length, and I do think
31:50
the sound mixing is an issue. But
31:53
you know, it did run away with pretty much
31:55
everything.
31:56
What I liked.
31:58
Was I love poor
32:01
Things, and I feel
32:03
like when it started to win earlier in the night,
32:05
I was like, oh, maybe this like two horse
32:07
Race, isn't really going Lily Gladstone's
32:09
way. And just to speak to the Lily
32:11
Gladstone and m Stone of it, all that
32:15
could have gone either way. It would have been an incredible
32:17
moment had Lily Gladstone won the Oscar. But
32:19
if you haven't seen Poor Things, then you
32:22
should. And I wish that people
32:24
wouldn't take Lily Gladstone's Oscar
32:27
loss out on emmastone because
32:29
that is so unfair, and that is, of course
32:31
the way the discourse has gone, because as we've just
32:33
said, the discourse is toxic and
32:36
decides it has to be one thing and
32:38
it's so black and white. There has to
32:40
be heroes and villains. So Lily
32:42
Gladstone has to be a hero here and Emma
32:44
Stone has to be a villain here because she's won
32:46
the Oscar. When Emma Stone is fucking
32:49
talented as shit, what she decides
32:51
to do with her movie stardom is like produce
32:53
things like Poor Things, which is thought
32:55
provoking and radical and feminist and
32:58
really cool, and she's
33:00
producing problemsta like please
33:03
miss me with like she's emblematic
33:06
with racism and like some
33:08
sort of like bigger thing than it is, Like, do
33:10
not take it out on her if you're disappointed for
33:12
Lily, that's fine. Her career
33:14
is forever change. She's now an Oscar nominated
33:17
actress. She's the most famous person
33:19
coming out of that conversation because everyone's rooting
33:21
for her and wanting her next thing, her
33:24
career will be fine, Like it
33:26
doesn't have to be fuck Emma Stone.
33:28
There's also this other thing going on where everyone's
33:30
like, well, she should have done supporting Lily
33:32
should have done supporting, and then she would have won. It's
33:35
this weird kind of post
33:38
mortem. But Kyle Buchanan was saying this, it's like, no,
33:42
by campaigning herself for
33:44
lead, she's telling Hollywood,
33:46
I am alle taking me seriously, taking
33:48
me seriously. Absolutely, she
33:51
should have no regrets. No one should believe
33:53
that she should have done things any differently. She
33:55
pulled off a flawless campaign
33:58
start to finish, not a single misstep. And yes,
34:00
it's frustrating that she did not take home the trophy,
34:02
but she is coming out of this a
34:05
full winner. She is moving forward
34:08
with complete power
34:10
and grace and everything that she deserves.
34:12
No super excited for I mean, I saw
34:14
she's the lead of that Hulu show that looks really
34:16
good. She won the sag Award, She's
34:19
won a Golden Globe, like and now, sometimes
34:21
I think like that helps propel
34:23
a narrative, you know what I mean, Like Emma Stone wins
34:25
this Oscar. By the way, no one looked more mortified
34:28
than emm a Stone.
34:29
Like that reaction.
34:31
Shot of her winning that Oscar, you could tell she
34:33
didn't want it like this, you know what I mean. But also
34:35
it's like last year with the Kate Blanchette
34:38
and Michelle Yo of it all, you get a sense that Kate
34:40
Blynchett started like campaigning for Michelle
34:42
Yo because she could feel this heat
34:44
breathing on her neck of like, if you win,
34:47
fuck you the person you'll have taken it
34:49
from. It's like, it shouldn't
34:52
be about that. What's important is the
34:54
art. What's important is that last
34:56
year, the Michelle Yo and Kate Lynchett
34:59
year, we had two towering
35:01
performances that were so different
35:04
that we're given by people that are the best in
35:06
their fields. And yes, the Oscar
35:08
was won by Michelle Yo. It felt incredible.
35:10
It was so deserved. It was what I was rooting
35:12
for. But what's really important
35:15
is the art that they created. What's
35:17
important is that we created the character of
35:19
Evelyn. What's important is that we created
35:21
the character of Lydia Tar And by we, of
35:23
course I mean them, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
35:26
that's ultimately what's important and this Oscar
35:28
thing. This like winning losing
35:30
narrative is like it doesn't mean that
35:32
person is a loser.
35:34
It just means that it means that like one
35:36
of them won an Oscar. Like now
35:38
we know the story of Molly
35:41
and we know Bella Baster Is this like
35:43
really fun your ghost character? Like
35:46
there is like an O Sage narrative
35:49
that is like us Hersesey directed
35:51
film, Like if
35:53
you think about it, I don't know, not that we're like
35:56
revolutionizing the way to think about
35:58
this or to like taught to like have the discord, but it's
36:00
like if I frame it in that way, it's like it's incredible
36:02
that like this was the Oscars race and like, yeah,
36:06
it's a weird. Yeah, I mean someone did a
36:08
super cut of like Emma's reaction shot
36:10
to the wind and then like cutting to like screenshots
36:13
of the discorse and
36:15
whatever. Like it's just I did see
36:17
that the spectator sport of it is like
36:20
a little gratuitous in a way that's fun and like that's
36:22
why we love Award Season. But
36:24
it just feels like it gets longer
36:26
and longer every year, and by extension a
36:29
little bit more exhausting and draining. So that by the
36:31
time it's past Sunday, I'm like,
36:33
I don't really want to think about these movies ever
36:35
again. Is that bad? Yeah? No, one hundred percent.
36:37
And I feel like the season is very
36:39
long because it feels like it starts in September and goes
36:42
to March, March to the
36:44
point where like Oscar season, like give
36:46
me a break, like this is just what it is.
36:48
I'll tell you what I loved. And I'm
36:50
clapping for the writer's branch
36:52
because we picked two great movies.
36:57
These are the categories that I like always
36:59
am elbiting about because I just always
37:03
want like the right script to be solidified.
37:05
With this Oscar whim you are a writer down.
37:07
I love that, I would.
37:08
Say Anatomy of a Fall that
37:11
was one of my favorite movies of the year. They
37:13
tore that script up like incredible
37:16
and then American Fiction. I absolutely
37:19
loved it was so great
37:21
and Core Jefferson, I just want to shout out
37:23
because.
37:24
That speech was incredible.
37:25
What he used his time to say
37:28
was so worth it and
37:30
it was so meaningful and it was so true
37:33
and you can feel everyone being like, yes,
37:35
that is that is exactly right,
37:37
Like instead of a two hundred million
37:40
dollar budgeted movie that may or
37:42
may not fail, and then we all have to pay for that,
37:45
like in terms of like you know, the fact
37:47
that we don't have the opportunity to see smaller
37:49
budgeted things because all the budget went to that
37:51
one thing that may or may not be good, because
37:53
those are the movies that are more
37:55
likely to be put together by
37:58
committee artistically in a like
38:00
on an executive level, like we're
38:03
just the soul of the film
38:05
industry is like dying and
38:07
more and more every single year, and it's
38:09
because we are not investing in more
38:12
talent and like ideas
38:14
that are like interesting, actually
38:16
interesting. He said, make tons
38:18
of smaller budgeted movies and
38:21
invest in more stories and more talent than
38:23
this one big budgeted movie.
38:25
And I really do believe that's the
38:27
way too. I couldn't agree with him more. And
38:29
there he is holding an oscar on stage for one
38:32
of those modestly budgeted movies, and
38:34
so he's in a position of power to speak to that,
38:36
and I'm really grateful that he did, and I really
38:38
respect him. He's speaking as a writer and a
38:40
director. It's like incredible. I
38:42
mean that the impact of that sorry
38:45
to Francis McDorman, But I mean inclusion
38:48
writer. Has that impacted at all? I hope, I
38:51
want to say it has, but I've
38:53
not seen that be the norm. And
38:56
that's not a ding on Francis. No. But
38:58
I think this could
39:00
actually, hopefully, like have some
39:02
impact. I think hopefully. So everyone
39:05
was watching, I really like I
39:08
was watching with House and Whitaker and Tom
39:11
and we were all up cheering friends
39:13
with Jefferson. I believe they worked
39:15
together. They were together, And then Whitaker showed
39:17
us photo of them watching the Oscars together like five
39:20
years ago, just like hanging out. I was just like, what a
39:22
beautiful.
39:23
He seems like such a great guy and
39:25
it feels like he's very
39:28
beloved, and I'm really
39:30
I mean, if you haven't seen an American fiction, you should definitely
39:32
check it out.
39:33
I mean, like, it's really smart, it's a brand
39:35
new. And check out the Good Place on
39:38
Peacock.
39:39
Yeah, you got to check out the Good Place on Peacock. It's
39:41
really smart, it's brand new.
39:45
I do miss the Good Place. Good Place was
39:47
great. I love the Good Place. Good Place was
39:49
a lot of fun. Can you believe they gave Messy
39:51
the dog from anatomy of a fall a seat at the
39:53
Oscars. Messi had a
39:55
full seat. Messi had a full seat, but everyone
39:58
was very up in arms out
40:00
the puppet, the applause pre tape,
40:02
m M. They shot that beforehand,
40:05
which you know, like it's a
40:07
as well trained as Messi is, as much
40:10
of a professional and an amazing
40:12
actor as he is, you can't tell
40:14
him and communicate these things. He can't, like
40:16
explain that this is an award show and
40:19
you're here because you did it a great job.
40:22
Messi is capable of so much, including
40:24
performing an overdose an
40:26
anatomy of a ball. I don't know, bitch.
40:29
I think they could have talked the dog to clap
40:31
in real time.
40:32
I agree. I'm with the mob on this one.
40:34
Oh gosh, did you see the shot of Messi
40:36
at the end of the broadcast of Messi like raising
40:38
his leg up to pee on Matt Damon's Hollywood
40:40
Walk of Fame star. I didn't see that, but
40:42
I love it. Little Jimmy Kimmel joke, Little Jimmy
40:45
joke. I thought Jimmy Kimmel was great. I
40:47
thought I thought that it was really fun. Also,
40:49
shout out Lewis Vertel he wrote for the Oscars.
40:51
He did a lot of the monologue. I know that
40:53
was his lifelong dream.
40:54
So I just want to shout congratulations
40:57
to that fucking bitch. I wanted
40:59
to say, I fucking one
41:01
of my favorite things about any award show is
41:03
when Billie Eilish is there. She's
41:06
just I fucking love her. She's
41:08
so fucking good.
41:11
I just love watching her perform. I love that song
41:14
so much.
41:14
I'm so glad it won.
41:15
I'm so happy it got everything it deserved. You know, it's
41:18
the first song since
41:20
My Heart will go on to win
41:22
Song of the Year at the Grammys, and yeah,
41:25
for Best Original Song.
41:26
Culturally, it has that impact, you
41:28
know what I mean, like like nuts
41:30
and shallow, Like Oher was saying this,
41:32
like it seems like every five years
41:35
or so, Best Original Song feels
41:38
like the category of the night.
41:40
Yeah, and it's really because we're honoring
41:42
a cultural moment, which I feel like
41:45
keeps that category alive in a way totally.
41:47
But like the gaps in between those years feel like conciliatory
41:51
almost. I mean so literally five
41:53
years ago was shallow, you know, and it was just like,
41:55
oh my god, this one, what a moment
41:57
you know, like I know, I think we kept calling it
42:00
the shallow shot, which was like shooting
42:03
with the audience and frame like I'm
42:05
behind so
42:07
funny, oh man, Yeah,
42:09
and shout out to Becky G. Shout out to Becky
42:11
G. That cutaway to Diane
42:14
and Eva Longoria, I
42:16
mean that did you.
42:18
Hear about this controversy? Like apparently
42:20
Diane Warren flipped a ship when
42:22
Cynthia and Arianna were announcing Best Original
42:25
Song, because Cynthia was like, tonight
42:27
we've seen nominees for Best Song,
42:30
and Ariana goes and the Oscar goes too, and
42:33
just open the envelope whether or
42:35
not she was supposed to say the nominees versus in dispute.
42:37
But Diane Warren apparently started screaming
42:40
and was running around furious because
42:43
Arianna hadn't like said the nominees, which
42:45
means that Diane Warren didn't get her like.
42:47
Name read out, this is the rumor
42:49
that's happening.
42:50
And apparently Eva Longoria saw Diane
42:52
start to spin out and she went to the bar.
42:55
She was like, I'm not handling this. She was
42:57
like, I Am not dealing with this.
42:59
She was like I thought I was gonna be off the fucking
43:01
clock. She goes, bitch, I got the fire
43:04
inside. I am out of here, bitch,
43:06
this is endgame. I directed this movie.
43:09
I am love. I'm just happy
43:11
and grateful that I got the Oscar nom Yeah,
43:15
miss me with that Diane. We
43:17
love Diane. Though we love Diane,
43:20
I mean say, don't go
43:23
famous song the woman wrote because you love
43:25
Me? But like I don't know.
43:27
At the moment, I was like, I was like, oh, is she opening
43:30
that envelope a little early? But then now I'm kind
43:32
of happy because I do love that there was drama.
43:34
Ari and al Pacino not
43:37
naming the nomies. I think that was just like a programming
43:39
note, a production, just like to be. I
43:41
was like, let's let's keep it moving because the songs were
43:43
shortened too. The songs were very like we're like,
43:46
very abbreviated, I thought, except for
43:48
I'm just ken and what was I made for?
43:50
Which you know, I guess, oh, just
43:53
so. I loved
43:55
that he was great, like I just felt
43:58
good he got it, and also like
44:00
to be that relaxed and singing
44:02
live on the oscars, like that's
44:05
really cool shit.
44:07
I mean, especially for someone who we know, you
44:09
know, people who know know he is a singer, but
44:11
like not really known for being
44:13
like some live singer. Like yeah, yeah,
44:16
it was really good. The whole thing. You could tell.
44:18
It was like a very joyous performance. I love
44:20
that they gave Barbie as much
44:22
real estate on the show as they did, even though
44:24
it only won the one award, because
44:26
it was one of the stories of the year obviously,
44:28
absolutely, And back to Billy, like, it
44:31
was just that first shot of Ryan in the audience,
44:33
like Billy is cracking up, cutting
44:35
up. I'm like, yeah, I was like, oh, this is a
44:37
great vibe, like like the Barbie
44:40
that whole Barbie group is like, so
44:42
it feels like such good vibes. Everyone's just
44:44
like really really I
44:47
don't know, like very like basking in
44:49
like this journey that they've all been on, which ended
44:52
that night, you know, like yeah, Margo
44:54
fucking looked stunning, Greta looked
44:56
amazing. Yeah, all of it. America
44:59
Snatch, America Snatched. I
45:01
did have one moment of just like, oh,
45:03
right, I could I was supposed to be you were supposed
45:06
to be in that, and that's all I like acknowledge
45:08
about it. But I was just like, oh my god. And then
45:10
you cut to you at home, like staring at the space wended.
45:16
I will say one of the fun moments of the
45:18
show was Rita Morano presenting
45:21
America.
45:21
Fererra America America.
45:24
I love that. I thought it was great.
45:26
I love the Fab five coming
45:28
out and doing the speeches.
45:29
I love that.
45:31
I will say if I have one thing, it
45:33
was Charlie's really flopped hers.
45:35
Like I've never been stung by a jellyfish.
45:38
Cut to that, bending like, oh, this is
45:40
what we're doing.
45:41
Like I think Charlie's was trying to give it
45:43
like a gravitas that like was
45:46
not placed correctly, like it was obviously
45:48
a joke, like if you have to lean on it a
45:51
little bit, but she tried to play this like middle
45:53
ground or like underplay it, like you
45:55
can't underplay I've never been stung
45:58
by a jellyfish. But watching you and Benning,
46:00
I felt like I had you can't that there's
46:02
nothing yeah, you
46:04
know, there's nothing emotional about that, Like.
46:07
No, there's no grip there, there's no purchase,
46:09
like lean on it a little bit, Charlie
46:11
ease, like we got we have to understand that it's
46:13
a joke. Because then at the end. It was just so funny because
46:15
the Net Benning's sitting there, She's
46:17
already she had to get a dressed for this. She was
46:19
like she so she didn't,
46:23
but like she's sitting there. And then at the end
46:25
of that thing, though Charlie's
46:27
speech, she kind of goes like you
46:29
can see her kind of like tilts her head and be like, eh,
46:32
a net Benning, what about
46:35
George model for award show behavior was
46:37
like fuck this, I'm wearing a
46:39
Mother of the Bride yep garment.
46:42
I don't give a fuck. I'm
46:44
gonna wear my fucking tinted glasses.
46:47
And those were chic. Those were chic.
46:49
Her most animated moment all night was Kimmel
46:51
at the end doing like the Trump jail time.
46:54
Patrick and I were laughing laughing
46:57
because she was like a mad She was
46:59
so tickled by it, and
47:01
that was down for that
47:03
Trump drag.
47:04
She was really down for it. It's
47:07
just Patrick also, House
47:09
was like.
47:09
Patrick was rooting for a net the whole
47:12
night. I mean, yeah, he was at and
47:14
honestly, I loved a Net bending
47:16
and Nightet. I talked about it a couple weeks ago, like
47:18
it was so good, but what else oh
47:20
love Divine's speech, like
47:23
that was so great, Like Robert
47:26
Downey Junior. I thought we
47:28
frontloaded our speeches this season. Like it's
47:30
hard when you keep seeing the same person
47:32
go up again again again, because
47:35
by the time Oscar night comes around, it feels
47:37
like anointed in a way, and the speeches feel less,
47:40
you know what I mean. Like I feel like one of the only people that really
47:42
worked all the way up to giving her best speech
47:45
was Divine. And then you
47:47
know, not everyone else nailed the speeches.
47:50
But hey, but hey, that's
47:52
Hollywood. That's Hollywood. Maybe not everyone nails
47:54
the speeches. Not everyone nails the speeches.
48:05
Did you see Dune yet? Speaking of Hollywood,
48:07
I have not seen doing I'm going to this week, but
48:10
I can't wait to see Timmy ride that worm. I
48:13
can't wait for the ghost
48:15
of Oscar Isaac. I guess he's not in
48:17
it. Oh, he's in the credits.
48:20
He's credited in Doune too.
48:22
I like looked it up. I was like, did they credit
48:24
Oscar Isaac? I know Momoa
48:26
is not credited because of what happens,
48:28
but for some reason Oscar. Maybe I looked
48:31
at the wrong thing. But I could have sworn that Oscar Isaac
48:33
was listed as a starring actor
48:36
in Doune Too, and I was like, Oh, I guess they like do
48:38
a flashback or something. I don't know. Mimoa. Momoa
48:42
is not credited in June Too. He's not in
48:44
it, right, But I'm saying, but
48:46
did I say Oscar Isaac? Yeah,
48:49
Oscar Isaac is credited in June Too. I believe
48:51
he is not in it either, because he's not in the movie. But why
48:54
would Momoa Momoa?
48:56
He's not in this He was in the first
48:58
one. He was, Yes,
49:01
Jason Momoa, Jason Momoo
49:04
shaved shaved Jason
49:07
Momoa. But if I was, I
49:09
think he looks hotter without the beard. Sorry, Jason.
49:12
Oh, Okay, interesting, I didn't even remember that. Okay.
49:14
So the thing about dunes is I
49:16
definitely go see them, but I am
49:18
miserable almost every second while I'm watching
49:20
them, And then the second I leave, I can't stop thinking. You're
49:23
like, I love that. But but
49:25
while because you feel
49:27
sand, you feel the sand. I don't
49:30
like to be sandy.
49:31
People know that, like, and I'm always worried about people's
49:33
ocular health, like because of all the dust
49:35
and all the sand, and also the context they have to keep
49:37
putting in their eyes. I'm just so concerned about Timmy
49:39
and Zenda and sort of their eyes
49:42
and their nostrils, and Javier as
49:44
well. I will say my favorite part
49:46
of these movies is Rebecca Ferguson amazing
49:48
protect her at all costs, Lady
49:50
Jessica is that girl.
49:53
The performance that she gives in this and
49:56
the first one I thought were great, Like, this
49:58
is the kind of thing I would like to see it.
49:59
I'm nation four, like, so so
50:01
so good.
50:02
She's so like, it's like this
50:04
mixture of unbothered and completely
50:07
physically tortured, which I takes me laugh
50:10
and gives me a thrill. Loved
50:12
her talking to her baby Annia Taylor Joy,
50:14
and then loved the one scene with Anna Taylor
50:16
Joy. I hope she got paid one hundred thousand
50:18
dollars for being a day.
50:19
Player at least.
50:22
I was like, literally all I could think about.
50:24
I saw it with Ade Schwartz and I was like, I left
50:26
and I was like, how much do you think they paid?
50:27
Anya? I think
50:29
the root of Rebecca Ferguson is unbothered.
50:31
I think you see an interview She's like, oh, what is
50:34
this. I don't give a fuck, but it's so charming. I
50:36
love her.
50:36
I think we need to get we need to give her way
50:39
more. I think she
50:41
is actually top one percent
50:43
of the talent in Hollywood.
50:45
It's her.
50:46
But I was looking at her IMDb because
50:48
I was, of course trying to track down which
50:51
from the greatest Showman to do. Oh
50:54
yeah, I was like, no, well that obviously, but she
50:56
was out. She made news because she said, like.
50:58
I'm gonna tell you something.
50:59
It was an act years ago, total assho
51:01
and he was mean to me on set and
51:04
I never forgot it, and like.
51:05
You know what I mean, do you think it is? Well, I have
51:07
my opinions, but I'm oh,
51:10
you're protecting celebrities. No.
51:12
Fine, I'll just say I think, looking
51:14
at it, it's either Michael Fassbender or Jake
51:16
Jillenhall. And then I watched interviews with both
51:19
of them because this is how on the case I was, and
51:22
it seemed like, at least in terms of the
51:24
press presentation, that she could do relationships
51:27
with both of them. So what I'll say about Rebecca Ferguson
51:29
and all this is she was incredibly
51:31
honest in that last interview and
51:33
she's also incredibly good at press because
51:36
you cannot tell which
51:38
person it is that was cruel to her on set,
51:40
to the point where she was like, I have used to work with you today,
51:43
you know, but that is but that is
51:45
what she has said, so much smoke and mirrors
51:47
out there.
51:47
Should we talk about the royal family? Because this is
51:49
eating my ass up. I was
51:51
going to say, I was gonna transition. I was gonna say,
51:53
Rebecca is one of our great brets,
51:56
and to go to some ungreat brets, let's
51:58
talk about this whole fuck it thing. Let's
52:01
fucking go. So that is the craziest
52:03
photo I've ever seen in my life. I can't
52:05
believe they thought that
52:08
was gonna fly. It's completely
52:10
unhinged.
52:11
Either these are the dumbest people in the
52:13
world or they think we're the dumbest
52:15
people in the world.
52:16
And maybe it's both. I think it's both.
52:18
That window on the left, I'm
52:20
not even looking at it. I can just
52:23
just all of it is. So what's
52:26
the word eerie? Like really
52:28
disturbing? So disturbing this photo.
52:31
They're eerie and disturbing people. So for those of you
52:33
who don't know, like Kate Middleton has
52:35
been. I think everyone knows at this point. I mean,
52:38
I'm sure everyone knows, but Kate Middleton's been missing.
52:40
And they released this photo of her that
52:43
was so clearly like either AI
52:46
or photoshop or something that was
52:48
just like me and my children together definitely
52:50
today, and everyone was like, that's
52:53
obviously fake.
52:54
What the fuck?
52:55
And then they announced I think she made a
52:57
statement taking credit for that
53:00
and was like, I'm so sorry that was me.
53:01
I'm an amateur photographer. I dabble
53:03
in photoshop.
53:04
First of all, Mama, Kate
53:06
Middleton, you were not on photoshop
53:09
putting this photo together.
53:10
Like, no way, no way,
53:12
you barely know how to use a computer. I
53:15
can't believe the lengths
53:17
they are going to cover up what is going on,
53:20
which, by the way, the cat's out of the
53:22
bag, because did you see that clip from Big Brother
53:24
UK? No tell me bowin
53:28
fucking Echen Sue is
53:31
now on Big Brother UK with I guess
53:33
like a relative of
53:35
Kate Middleton, and so in the
53:37
Big Brother House, Ecken Sue
53:40
asked, and this is you can see a
53:42
video of this because it's the Big Brother House. She
53:44
goes, I have to ask you, like where is Kate and
53:47
her cousin or something, or her uncle
53:49
or something, sighs and goes,
53:52
you know, they've asked me not to talk about
53:54
it, but just she's getting
53:56
the best care. He literally
53:59
says those words she was Is she
54:01
okay? And he was just like, you know, I'm I
54:03
really, I'm in contact with her mother. I'm
54:05
not really supposed to talk about it, but like we're
54:08
they're doing like what they can. I
54:10
can't believe Eckin Sue is
54:13
fucking Ecken Shou was
54:15
the one. My god, so.
54:16
And I literally I had to laugh because I was like,
54:18
Wow, it's all converging in a way that's
54:21
so crazy. But what's obviously
54:24
happening is she's ill, she's
54:26
not well, and for some reason
54:29
they feel the need to cover
54:31
that up or not tell the truth about this. To the
54:34
fact that they would now outwardly lie
54:36
and misrepresent things.
54:38
They gotta go. They can't be trusted,
54:40
They can't be trusted. This is the ghost of
54:43
Diana, just like fucking
54:45
up every single lane of
54:47
this family. To me, like,
54:50
there is no like good royal right now, I'm
54:52
sorry, or ex royal for that matter, not
54:54
one. You can't root for these people, No
54:57
it's so crazy. There never was
54:59
not I said that there ever was. I'm sorry, I keep going.
55:02
Except Diana.
55:02
Yeah, well, I think that this
55:05
is way worse than they think. Like I
55:07
think this is like maybe even the straw
55:09
that breaks the camel's back, because even
55:12
people that like didn't care about the treatment
55:14
of Diana and didn't care about the treatment of
55:16
Megan.
55:16
Like have an issue with this because
55:18
being lied to this. Yeah, and
55:21
it's just like, what would be the big deal about
55:23
being transparent and honest about what she's going
55:25
through? You know what is if
55:28
she's very ill, like tell
55:31
people that, Like, what would be the big deal?
55:33
The imagery of the royal family right
55:35
now is that it's like falling apart because
55:38
of Charles, and I mean, it's all pretty
55:41
bleak and dark. But it's like they
55:43
can't afford to look any
55:45
weaker than they already are than they already
55:47
do.
55:48
I think it's a total miscalculation on their part.
55:50
And I think they obviously have the worst pr
55:52
in the world. But I think when
55:54
they've been the most powerful and
55:57
when they've been the most beloved
55:59
is when they peer the most human, you
56:02
know what I mean, Like Elizabeth coming out and
56:04
greeting the mourners, like William
56:06
and Harry, like when Diana passed
56:08
away, like them being
56:10
so obviously in a state of
56:12
grief and mourning, and the country could be
56:14
there for them and rally around them, like you
56:17
know, even Harry
56:19
and Megan leaving, Like that's a very
56:22
like human thing in terms of like I
56:24
just feel like they need to understand
56:26
like it is through humanity
56:29
and it is again through complexity
56:31
and gray area that we all can truly
56:33
connect. And I feel like they're
56:36
trying to withhold this image that is
56:38
now like we
56:40
know, completely constructed, because
56:43
it's starting to fall apart in front of my very eyes, and
56:45
I'm like, what is this all for?
56:49
What is this all for? It's
56:51
to preserve meaning
56:54
in like this thing
56:57
that has had meaning for it, Like I mean, like
56:59
this is not a totally discount the royal
57:01
family and like what its value is in
57:03
like British culture and world culture.
57:05
It's like the value of the
57:07
monarchy is to like give people
57:10
a sense of like, oh,
57:12
like let's fixate
57:14
on these people for all these reasons, and
57:17
like now that the fixation is grim
57:19
and dark and like has
57:22
like a mortal element
57:24
to it, it's a little sad. I think like
57:26
people in the UK would and across
57:29
the world would like freak out a little bit,
57:31
I think. But it's not that they already aren't. It's
57:33
just that, like the smoke
57:36
and mirrors of it is a way to keep
57:38
people like somewhat sane, and
57:40
yet it's having the opposite
57:42
effect. I just think, if she's
57:44
really ill, I hope
57:47
that everything's okay. But what
57:49
they're telegraphing now is that everything is
57:51
not okay. And now people are going
57:53
to be panicking. Now, people are
57:55
going to be like, even if they are to come out
57:57
in a couple weeks or whatever and say what the truth
57:59
is, like, who's to say that that can even be
58:01
trusted? Right, Like at this point they have completely
58:04
lost everyone, not everyone,
58:06
but like the majority I
58:09
think most people. Yeah,
58:11
anyway, listen, speaking
58:13
of Eck and Sue, I just really want to debrief
58:15
on the Traders. Yeah, we have to have it on my
58:18
little list. I mean that finale
58:20
was eventful, It wasn't uneventful. You
58:22
can't say nothing happened. Yeah,
58:25
I do think it was just such a
58:27
an empty finish.
58:30
It was scoundrel behavior from
58:32
Traschelle I'm just gonna put it on Trachelle
58:35
honestly, and CT. I guess if they both went in
58:37
because they both made that pact with each other. I am
58:39
a little thrown by CT voting for Trischelle,
58:41
Trischelle voting for CT, Trichell voting for
58:43
CT. Yes, yes, yes, but like the
58:46
way they like, the way
58:48
they iced hat MJ was just so fucking crazy
58:50
to me, and it was so sel It's just like, oh, you
58:52
you couldn't have done a three way split just on a
58:55
math level, on like a greed level. Is that what that
58:57
was? I mean, yeah, it's a game totally.
58:59
I did think. Yeah, I think what they did is above board.
59:01
Okay, well we're going to disagree. I
59:03
agree to disagree. I didn't watch the reunion, although
59:05
someone did say, like, for people who don't watch Bravo, like,
59:07
you have to understand how embarrassing it is for Trischelle
59:09
to sit that far away from the center in
59:13
terms of the gameplay.
59:15
Ultimately, she was the only person who
59:17
deserved the money, like her
59:19
and CT, because MJ got
59:21
to the end literally wrong every
59:23
single time. I mean, she was literally a
59:25
definition of a goat. So I understand
59:28
being with her at the end and being like, I don't
59:30
want to share the money with her. I mean, that's happened
59:32
before, and it is a game, like, yes,
59:34
maybe they were the faithfuls the whole time, and so you don't
59:37
want to backstab it faithful.
59:38
But it's also like you are there
59:40
to win the money.
59:41
So as a game move, I would have respected
59:43
it had they gone in and been like, you and I are
59:45
going to split the money like we stbby where let's get her
59:47
out of here, because ultimately she also could
59:50
be a trader. I do believe that Troschelle
59:52
had a reason to believe that CT could have been
59:54
a trader, and so when
59:57
she voted for him, I was shocked. And
59:59
then she talked it through afterwards. I was watching an
1:00:01
interview with her afterwards and she talked it through, and I was like,
1:00:03
oh, yeah, there were definitely times
1:00:05
where his willingness to allow
1:00:07
her to get a shield she read that
1:00:09
as like, oh, he doesn't feel like he needs one,
1:00:12
he's a trader. Like there
1:00:14
were there were moments where I was just like, I
1:00:16
get that reasoning, So I would have understood
1:00:18
it either way.
1:00:20
You know.
1:00:21
I think it's a little bit of a bummer that
1:00:24
Kate kind of stopped trying at the end, But
1:00:26
that's.
1:00:26
Kate down like she she is someone who
1:00:29
disengages like that. Yeah,
1:00:32
as we saw last season, you.
1:00:33
Kind of got a lover like but being
1:00:36
in the top four when there
1:00:38
literally had to be a trader there because
1:00:40
Chat had been murdered, and her
1:00:42
being like I believe that everyone hears a faithful
1:00:44
It's like, mommy, you just gave it away. Like
1:00:48
but but then it's like, I don't know did she
1:00:51
throw it because she came in halfway through
1:00:53
and said I don't really deserve this, like let's
1:00:55
let them have the money and duke it out. Like I
1:00:57
can see that. But yeah, obviously
1:01:00
anytime anyone is in any of these games,
1:01:02
I want to see them try to win
1:01:04
all the money. That's just what I
1:01:06
think is that's gameplay.
1:01:09
I understand it's gameplay, but it is
1:01:11
so funny, Like Trischelle was
1:01:13
framing these the entire game is
1:01:15
like an absolutely moral kind
1:01:18
of like crusade where it's like the
1:01:20
traders are murdering us that
1:01:22
we are to get Like I
1:01:25
kind of took it as that. I was like, she's taking
1:01:28
this serious, like and I understand
1:01:30
the shift to like pure gameplay towards the end.
1:01:32
But it was like a, oh,
1:01:35
I don't know, I just I just don't like her, that's
1:01:37
all. She's like Gazelle levels to me. I'm
1:01:39
like, I can just tell Giselle
1:01:42
and Troschelle are not your girls anyone
1:01:44
that ends with an L except Chrishelle. Chris,
1:01:48
You're alleged love your Roschelle. No
1:01:51
if I if Trichelle shows up to an upfront
1:01:53
event, not that I get invited to them anyway, but
1:01:55
I'm just like, oh no, it's
1:01:58
always like the upfront is always where Bowen expecting
1:02:00
to have to throw hands. Yes, I'm
1:02:02
gonna do it. Sorry, Sorry, Donald
1:02:04
Langley. I feel like, yeah, I mean it was
1:02:06
a fun season. It's a fun season. I'm
1:02:09
sorry. I don't think some honey, Dan and
1:02:11
Peter like just people who
1:02:13
kind of like killed the vibe of the
1:02:15
whole thing. Dan by like killing
1:02:18
the sort of like making it impossible for
1:02:20
the traders to win, and then Peter for just
1:02:22
being so smug and making the faithful as impossible
1:02:24
to root for. That's it.
1:02:25
Yeah, that's a really good distillation
1:02:28
of what it was. I guess, like I
1:02:30
just wish that people could get all on the same page
1:02:33
about like the fact
1:02:35
that it's a game and you
1:02:37
gotta do what you gotta do to win
1:02:39
the game. Like and I feel like in Australia,
1:02:43
not in the UK. And the UK they were very emotional
1:02:45
all over the place, but in Australia it
1:02:47
was clear that everyone was there for the
1:02:49
money, which is why you're there,
1:02:52
Like, and so anytime like some emotion
1:02:55
like comes into it, or whenever anyone's
1:02:57
like I have to think should I vote with my
1:02:59
head or my I'm like screaming at
1:03:01
the TV.
1:03:02
Your head, your head, oh, with your
1:03:04
head. But the
1:03:06
thing about this season of The Traders, which I thought
1:03:08
was interesting to see play out, was like, if
1:03:11
it is all reality TV veterans, there
1:03:13
are so many other factors that
1:03:16
go into it where it's like it's
1:03:18
not like a full normy season where it's like they don't know
1:03:20
each other. They don't know each other from Adam, they don't
1:03:22
know what their strategies or what their reputations are. Like
1:03:25
this was a season of The Traders where it was
1:03:27
like, oh, did it work? And I think
1:03:29
it did? But did it work if everyone
1:03:31
knows has all
1:03:33
these preconceived notions going in. That's all
1:03:36
yes, definitely, that's what
1:03:39
I think. Whatever it is, it just.
1:03:40
Has to be on an even playing field. And season three
1:03:42
it is going to be reality stars again, like
1:03:44
that's yes, yes, yes, confirmed. But what
1:03:47
I like about an All Normies
1:03:50
cast, like an Australia cast, is.
1:03:52
You really believe they need the
1:03:54
money.
1:03:55
And so for example, like
1:03:57
on Australia, it's one woman being like, yeah,
1:04:00
probably with the money, I'll get a new hand. It's
1:04:02
like that's different than k chesting, you
1:04:04
know what I mean, Like, probably with the money, I'll get
1:04:06
a blow out every week for the rest of my life, you
1:04:09
know what I mean. It's like I would rather I don't
1:04:11
think she cares about her hair, I
1:04:13
said. In every scene it looks like she's hanging upside
1:04:15
down. It's wild ish.
1:04:19
Down, chaotic as
1:04:22
shit. In every scene, it's
1:04:24
like the hairstylist was like, hmm, for
1:04:26
you, we're gonna go static. I'm just
1:04:28
gonna rub my feet on a carpet,
1:04:30
honey, and then we're gonna get you electrocuted
1:04:33
as fuck. Like she her hair looks fucked,
1:04:36
freshly fucked, freshly electrocuted.
1:04:38
It is fuzzy, but that's
1:04:40
the one thing I like about Australia
1:04:43
and I have to say, watch this
1:04:46
season because
1:04:48
it is so good and you just get
1:04:51
that there's a desperation for the money there
1:04:53
that informs the gameplay and makes
1:04:55
it even more cutthroat. Like I
1:04:58
don't know, I just my thing is I just want to see the
1:05:00
game played well. Of course, it's fun to
1:05:02
have like the fun elements of like
1:05:04
you know, the reality show aspect,
1:05:07
like.
1:05:07
Oh, lord Naik and Sue, no one
1:05:09
likes you, poverty. I don't have to kiss
1:05:11
her ass for a ro. I was like, that's all fun. But
1:05:13
it was very funny at the reunion. And if
1:05:15
you watch the reunion, you'll see like the
1:05:17
housewives treating it like a Housewives
1:05:20
reunion and the gamers being like.
1:05:22
You, guys, it's a game. But
1:05:25
I kind of love seeing that sort of mingling.
1:05:28
Oh, it's so funny. The collision is so funny.
1:05:30
Also, it was such like fan
1:05:32
service wish fulfillment for me to see Parvety
1:05:34
sitting next to Andy Cohen in a reunion.
1:05:36
Like I said, God is
1:05:38
so good. I started. I started
1:05:40
the episode and I was like, I'm sorry to be
1:05:42
superficial, but Parvety looked at me and saying, she loo's
1:05:44
great. She looks stunning. I
1:05:46
mean, look, if it's gonna be a reunion, like, let's
1:05:49
turn the reunion. And also Peppermint
1:05:51
had a I'm glad they gave Peppermin a moment to be like
1:05:53
me, being on the show was incredibly meaningful
1:05:56
m hm. And it was so
1:05:58
disappointing that I went out. So we're yeah,
1:06:01
fuckinglle Man. You know, it's it
1:06:03
seems like they are okay. You know what I would say,
1:06:05
like, that's my thing is like Peppermint and Tochelle
1:06:07
seem okay. Peppermint applauded for Trischelle
1:06:09
when they talked about how she was the winner. They still follow
1:06:12
each other on Instagram, Like, but I also
1:06:15
wouldn't mind if I never had to think about Tchelle
1:06:17
ever again.
1:06:18
And that's that is your right. And guess
1:06:20
what, maybe now that she's won the money, maybe she'll
1:06:22
retire.
1:06:23
I don't know. Speaking of a human being
1:06:25
with contradictions, I do just want to touch on the Madonna
1:06:27
concert. Oh yes, please, this was
1:06:30
so fun.
1:06:31
I had a great time. I'm so happy I went. It
1:06:33
was a very comprehensive show.
1:06:36
You got everything. She was playing the hits and
1:06:38
also there were some swerves highlights
1:06:40
for me, crazy for you. I mean, I just love
1:06:42
that song so much, like love that song
1:06:45
love hung Up. Just the Vogue
1:06:47
section was fucking great. Ali Wong
1:06:49
came out at my show. Oh that's fun,
1:06:52
and I will also say the
1:06:54
highlight, and I would think that this maybe
1:06:56
is the highlight of like for many people for our entire
1:06:58
tour. I was at the show where Kylie Minogue
1:07:00
came out, and
1:07:03
it was such a moment to see Kylie
1:07:05
and Madonna on stage together and they sang
1:07:07
an acoustic version of I Will Survive and
1:07:10
then Madonna let everyone in an acapella
1:07:12
can't get You out of My Head like chorl oh
1:07:14
my god. There was so much love and respect
1:07:17
between them, genuinely, Yeah,
1:07:19
And that was so amazing
1:07:22
to see, like, and it felt like
1:07:24
all artifice dropped away for a second.
1:07:26
Yeah, And Kylie came out and Madonna pointed
1:07:29
at her and she was like, this is a real survivor.
1:07:31
And I feel like only they can really
1:07:33
understand like the positions that they're in
1:07:35
and obviously like women at that level,
1:07:38
but to see them stand together and you
1:07:40
know, Kylie was wearing her shirt that
1:07:42
said Madonna. That called back to when Madonna
1:07:44
wore that shirt that said Kylie Minogue, and it
1:07:47
just was a joyful, faggy
1:07:49
moment.
1:07:50
I love it. These are two very
1:07:52
important people. Yeah, oh
1:07:55
my god. I mean yeah, like there
1:07:57
needs to be some sort of documentary,
1:08:00
some sort of journalistic thing on those
1:08:02
two on their careers, like side
1:08:05
by side, because they really were like two
1:08:07
sides of the same coin for a while, like coming
1:08:10
up around the same time, representing
1:08:12
different things, kind of converging,
1:08:14
then diverging, converging, but
1:08:16
then I mean in the end, it all converges back
1:08:19
once again, and it's like, these are
1:08:21
just two fucking legends, and to
1:08:23
see them kind of join together and celebration
1:08:26
is really really beautiful. I mean god, I do
1:08:28
have regrets about not going to see her Madonna
1:08:30
when she was in New York, but that
1:08:33
is a very special She had Barclays, she was Barclays
1:08:35
and she did MSG and I misspoke. Oh wow,
1:08:37
I was very very sad. But yeah,
1:08:39
this was that the Forum. Oh
1:08:42
great, And she's been done so many
1:08:44
shows. I really feel I went to the right
1:08:46
one. You definitely did, And the fact.
1:08:48
That we got Kylie Mino' is like, oh, Cardi b came
1:08:51
out and did the Vogue section last night.
1:08:53
Apparently it was a blast, like Tony Gomez
1:08:55
was saying, it was so fun.
1:08:56
Oh fun.
1:08:57
But I wanted to say one
1:08:59
other thing. Madonna, which is at
1:09:01
the top of the concert, she was,
1:09:04
you know, it was like after the first couple of songs and she was addressing
1:09:06
the audience, and so many times she was like, you
1:09:09
guys need to put your fucking phones away, get up
1:09:11
on your feet. She was like talking to the audience like we
1:09:13
were her servants, and we loved
1:09:15
it.
1:09:16
But at one point she goes, you
1:09:19
know, I've been in this business for forty fucking years.
1:09:21
I've been doing this for forty fucking years, and
1:09:23
just today, just like the first day, I
1:09:25
give zero fucks.
1:09:27
And then I was like whoa.
1:09:28
And then like a beat goes by and she goes, well
1:09:31
sometimes I give like one and a half
1:09:33
fuck, and I was like, I
1:09:36
was like thank god, you know, like
1:09:38
because it just goes to show that
1:09:41
like even Madonna,
1:09:44
someone who got to where she's got by being
1:09:46
like, you know, no holds barred, confident
1:09:49
in doing what she wants to do, like to see that
1:09:51
she exposed in that moment,
1:09:53
the complexity and the humanity of
1:09:56
like I am Madonna, and that
1:09:58
comes with so fucking
1:10:00
much talk about someone who's been dissected,
1:10:03
hated, beloved. Cast
1:10:05
Aside said like she
1:10:07
was over, said she was the greatest thing in
1:10:09
the world, the highs, the lows, everything
1:10:12
for Madonna at the end of it to expose
1:10:14
about herself like you know, I
1:10:17
know my image is like bitch on Madonna,
1:10:19
and she in that moment was like sometimes I
1:10:21
give like one and a half fuck because yeah,
1:10:23
like when you get to that point, like there's
1:10:26
so much responsibility and you mean so
1:10:28
much more than you can
1:10:31
even possibly fathom. You are
1:10:33
such a fully realized figure in the
1:10:35
minds at least there's a perception
1:10:37
that you are a fully flashed figure of everyone
1:10:40
in the world because you are Madonna.
1:10:42
And to see her exposed that she actually
1:10:44
does care sometimes
1:10:47
about like maybe what
1:10:49
goes down, what people might think,
1:10:52
like what's being said, I thought was
1:10:54
like very full circle.
1:10:57
And I also felt like was
1:11:00
empowering almost to see
1:11:02
her be up there and not like lie or
1:11:04
hide behind some facade of like I'm.
1:11:06
A bulletproof bitch. Like to
1:11:09
see that like soft
1:11:11
core.
1:11:12
I was like really appreciative of that, And
1:11:14
from that moment forward, I was able to enjoy
1:11:17
the concert even more because
1:11:19
this is someone who's like showing this arsenal
1:11:21
of hits and this this entire career,
1:11:24
this story, and at
1:11:26
the end of it all, like she exposed that humanity
1:11:28
and I was able to really appreciate
1:11:31
her triumphs even more.
1:11:33
Well, let that be like proof
1:11:35
positive that you
1:11:38
can be sixty
1:11:40
five years old and be celebrating
1:11:43
your entire body of work with
1:11:45
people who love you in that space and
1:11:49
still acknowledged the idea
1:11:51
that like, it's
1:11:53
just it's the human condition just
1:11:55
to like care, to like be
1:11:58
vain sometimes, which is not necessarily
1:12:01
like what is the universal? But it's like you are
1:12:03
like there is no escaping
1:12:06
that you cannot, like you have to
1:12:08
kill such a crazy deep part
1:12:10
of yourself in order to not care,
1:12:13
in order to like just let
1:12:15
the work speak for itself and let that be the only
1:12:17
thing, and let that be the thing that you rest all
1:12:19
of your value on. It will never be
1:12:22
that, even if you're fucking Madonna, your
1:12:24
forty years of work will
1:12:26
not be the thing that like saves you or inoculates
1:12:29
you from feeling like insecure or inadequate
1:12:32
or like you're not with it in whatever way,
1:12:34
And it's fine. It's like anytime
1:12:36
we feel like, God, shouldn't
1:12:39
I have grown past this? Like, shouldn't I have outgrown
1:12:42
this part of my life?
1:12:44
Like you never will? That's okay, that's
1:12:46
scary, But it's like it's just how
1:12:49
our brains are wired. It's like we have not evolved
1:12:51
past that on a sort of like
1:12:54
cerebral level.
1:12:55
You know, it's not natural to
1:12:57
be Madonna and have world
1:13:00
wide international influence
1:13:02
and discourse about you.
1:13:04
That's not natural.
1:13:05
So to hear her say I give one
1:13:07
and a half fuck, that
1:13:10
was to me kind of revolutionary to hear from
1:13:12
her.
1:13:12
I like the grammatical sort of like itch
1:13:15
of like not plural fucks, right, give
1:13:17
one and a half fuck one and a half yeah,
1:13:20
and singular fuck, which doesn't grammatically
1:13:23
totally make sense. Title of app
1:13:25
one on and a half fuck, I love it. That
1:13:28
is a really good title of app. Actually, yes,
1:13:30
that's a very good title of app. We
1:13:41
tapple everything in the culture, should we do? I don't
1:13:43
think so, honey, I think so. This
1:13:46
is I don't think so, honey. This is where we take one minute to
1:13:48
go off against something in culture, go off on
1:13:50
something in culture. Matt, do you have something
1:13:53
I do?
1:13:53
And before I do this, this has nothing to do actually it
1:13:55
kind of has something to do with it. But I do want to say one
1:13:57
other thing, which is I went to that Elton John
1:14:00
oscar party, Oh my god, and I saw something
1:14:02
strack. And to see something strack at
1:14:04
the Elton John party when that had
1:14:06
been.
1:14:06
A plotline on the show was
1:14:09
lol to me.
1:14:10
And I will say the highlight of my night was when
1:14:12
I was standing at the bar trying to get a drink
1:14:14
and I look, I look over and there's
1:14:17
Kesha and we were
1:14:19
all ready for drinks and the bartenders were doing an incredible
1:14:21
job, but like it can never be fast enough, so
1:14:24
Kesha as a joke, like grabbed a
1:14:26
bottle of champagne off the bar and like pretended
1:14:28
like she was going to take it. And I turned to her and
1:14:30
I said, that was the most Keshau shit I've ever
1:14:32
seen. And she left and we had a nice, little.
1:14:34
Cute little moment. You two, we
1:14:37
don't know each other and she does not know me from
1:14:39
Adam, but I did see her act Kesha
1:14:41
in the wild, and so I had to call it out.
1:14:44
She was not stealing it off the bar, just
1:14:46
like I didn't steal that strawberry. Short kick, bitch,
1:14:48
you're doing accusations on that mo. My
1:14:50
god, we can't get
1:14:52
into this, but no, we can't. You.
1:14:58
We would never, we would
1:15:00
never do anything like this today. No. I
1:15:02
was twenty three, we were twenty three, and I'm
1:15:04
a human with complexities effect
1:15:10
you're just at the same time. I
1:15:14
know that me and my sister share a bloodline,
1:15:16
a blood we
1:15:19
share a blood live I have. I don't think so, honey. Okay,
1:15:21
this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as time starts now,
1:15:24
I don't think so honey.
1:15:25
I have thought my en seam was
1:15:27
different than it is for years.
1:15:30
No fuck, I've been there the
1:15:33
wrong in seam for years.
1:15:35
For years, I've been saying my enseeam is a thirty
1:15:37
two. Suddenly I don't know what
1:15:39
happened. I realized, Huh, every single
1:15:41
time I wear pants they're too long. It's
1:15:44
because my enseem is
1:15:46
thirty four years.
1:15:48
I have been bow and yang. I know my own
1:15:51
length of my legs.
1:15:51
I am a thirty I have short thirty
1:15:54
legs and a long torso it is
1:15:56
part of me. This is me now
1:15:59
and this me then. Since
1:16:01
I started giving my n S team, I have
1:16:03
been a thirty. My pants have always been
1:16:05
too long. I'm always wondering, Huh, why
1:16:07
do I always need the best bottom of my pants and tailored?
1:16:10
Is there something wrong with my body?
1:16:12
No, there's something wrong with my brain. There's
1:16:15
something wrong with my mother, who
1:16:17
told me I was a thirty two in my entire
1:16:20
life. Well, Katrina Rogers, I have news for you. I
1:16:22
don't think so, honey. I'm a thirty in
1:16:24
seam. Goddamn it, mama.
1:16:26
And that's one minute. I'm sorry you
1:16:28
took me on a journey there because I thought you first
1:16:30
started out saying you didn't
1:16:32
know what an en seam was, and I was gonna say,
1:16:34
oh no, no, my en seem I
1:16:37
feel like this is something you should have gotten to the bottom
1:16:39
of years ago, honey,
1:16:43
one hundred percent. But I have been
1:16:45
so for years. Like it's not something
1:16:47
that like your mom tells you and then you it's not like
1:16:50
you know, oh, like one of your uncles has
1:16:52
like a secret family. It's not like that. It's
1:16:54
like, no, this is the thing that you can sort
1:16:57
of verify for yourself without having someone else time.
1:16:59
I know, but that doesn't mean I can't blame my
1:17:01
mother.
1:17:02
And what I would say is, for years
1:17:04
and maybe still even in my heart, for years
1:17:06
I identified as a thirty thirty two
1:17:09
thirty waist thirty two in seam. Not
1:17:11
only it's it's literally flipped.
1:17:15
I am now a thirty two waist. Even sometimes
1:17:17
we're ring on thirty three, depending on what the
1:17:19
situation is. Sure, sure, but my waist
1:17:21
has gone up. My enn sceam is a thirty. I
1:17:23
am a thirty two thirty.
1:17:25
And now that I refuse to believe
1:17:27
I'm a thirty two thirty bitch. And
1:17:30
can I tell you something about you don't believe?
1:17:32
We have the same Yeah? Literally
1:17:35
literally literally, Bowen, we have the same
1:17:37
legs. We'll compare next
1:17:39
time I see you. You are literally feet
1:17:42
taller than me. Bowen. My torso
1:17:44
is a very long I have a swimmer's body. You
1:17:47
don't, God Bless must
1:17:50
be nice. Excuse me. This
1:17:53
is about me and my en seam. Are
1:17:56
we the same? We are we both thirty two thirty?
1:17:59
You know what depended iie
1:18:01
light. I'm like a thirty three, thirty sometimes
1:18:03
thirty four if it's the winner. That's what I'm
1:18:05
saying, Like if it's like January or we're
1:18:07
having a hard time, like it might even
1:18:09
go up to someone. The other day, I was getting fitted
1:18:11
for work and the girl goes, okay,
1:18:14
so we need to get you a thirty four, and I said,
1:18:16
excuse me, like, and by the way, we're not putting
1:18:18
any we're not putting any stigma on any way side,
1:18:20
but we're the way size is beautiful. That was just two
1:18:23
sizes sometimes even three sizes bigger
1:18:25
than I usually.
1:18:25
I don't want this to fall off, right,
1:18:27
And I was just like, I was like, oh, that feels too big for
1:18:30
me. And then they explained like, oh, when you're getting
1:18:32
fitted for things for like a job like that, you
1:18:34
want to get something a little bit bigger so that it can be brought
1:18:36
in, Like because that's just the
1:18:38
way it is. But anyway,
1:18:41
it's not me saying like if
1:18:43
my waist right now is a thirty three thirty four,
1:18:45
that's fucking great. I just should know that,
1:18:48
and I should know that my end seam
1:18:50
is a thirty because that will never change.
1:18:53
And I've been saying thirty two for the longest
1:18:55
time. I swear to God, I'm
1:18:58
so happy now. I just threw out all
1:19:00
my pants bowing, and I went to fucking
1:19:02
Banana Republic itself and I got some new
1:19:05
pants, and I'm so happy because
1:19:07
they're all thirty n CM and I feel like.
1:19:09
Finally, finally, finally,
1:19:12
it has happened to me. My pants are correctly
1:19:14
fitting. I'm very happy for you. So happy.
1:19:18
Pants are really tough. They can
1:19:20
be some of the toughest. We don't talk about how
1:19:22
that it's it's a deeply personal journey,
1:19:25
and it's sometimes it's lifelong. I still
1:19:27
am not really finding
1:19:29
the right genes. I've avoided jeans.
1:19:31
I'm finally ready to go back into jeans. You
1:19:34
really don't wear jeans. They don't
1:19:36
look good on me. But
1:19:39
I believe it's like my journey with love. I
1:19:41
believe it's out there. But
1:19:44
I have had bad luck, and I may
1:19:46
maybe it's because I'm not genetically
1:19:49
built for it. No, girl,
1:19:51
I'll tell you what we're gonna do. Next time I'm in New York.
1:19:54
We're gonna go to APC. I
1:19:56
love APC.
1:19:57
We're gonna get you some jeans because we're
1:20:00
gonna figure this out. We're gonna get to the bottom of this one,
1:20:02
okay, because there's no reason you should be feeling
1:20:04
anything but excited about your legs, which are
1:20:07
aspa ration.
1:20:09
No, they need to be contextualized
1:20:11
properly with the right shoes, the right short, right
1:20:14
shorts or pants. You are so
1:20:16
powerful in a short, I know, but I can't wear
1:20:18
them all the time because the legs are legging.
1:20:21
I love my legs, but I'm saying the
1:20:23
pants, the way that pants are
1:20:25
produced in this world not meant
1:20:27
for me. We're gonna
1:20:29
get to the bottom of this, okay.
1:20:31
Sometimes that's how I feel about shirts, Like sometimes I'm
1:20:33
like, because my torso is on the long side,
1:20:36
I feel like oftentimes like something will fit me on
1:20:38
the shoulders and then be like a little too short on
1:20:40
the bottom, which is never something anyone.
1:20:43
Needs, no of course, But Matt, you
1:20:45
you are a very well proportioned person. You
1:20:47
know this.
1:20:48
Hey, Bobby, all
1:20:50
right, so this will be bowing.
1:20:52
Yeah. I don't think it's the honey that's
1:20:54
always so exciting. Yeah,
1:20:57
and he has one minute on the clock and
1:20:59
bone Dan, I don't think so many time starts now,
1:21:02
I don't think so, honey, this video game Final
1:21:04
Fantasy Sevin Rebirth. It
1:21:07
is stoppering all culture
1:21:09
consumption for me. It's the first thing
1:21:11
I do when I wake up. It's the last thing I do before
1:21:13
I go to bed. I am three episodes
1:21:16
behind on Drag Race, and you know I need to
1:21:18
catch up because our Good Girl Joke
1:21:20
and Booster is guest judging next week.
1:21:22
This week, oh, this week, this week, I
1:21:24
have not watched a single Housewives
1:21:26
reunion from between Miami and Beverly Hills,
1:21:29
and I'm usually up up to speed on all
1:21:31
that second. It was a struggle. It felt
1:21:33
like homework watching The Traders finale, and
1:21:35
I never thought I would say those words. I
1:21:38
was on a reading tear with my books,
1:21:40
and all of it has stopped because
1:21:43
of this game that is so beautiful,
1:21:46
so effervescently fun, narratively
1:21:48
doing so many things that I've never seen
1:21:51
done in media before five
1:21:53
seconds. This game is a celebration of video
1:21:55
games in general. It is a celebration of fun, and that's
1:21:57
why I love it, and that's why I can't get away from it. That's
1:22:00
one minute. So that was one of those sneaky I don't think,
1:22:02
Sohney, is that I thought
1:22:05
how much I love about it, and I
1:22:07
was like really shocked. My qualm is that I
1:22:09
haven't been able to do anything else. It's disruptive.
1:22:11
It's disruptively good. It's disruptively
1:22:14
good. I mean, Matt. This game has you play these like mini
1:22:16
games that are like, oh, you're you're thrown
1:22:18
around a soccer ball for five minutes. Oh,
1:22:20
you're playing a card game which is amazing, by the way, called
1:22:23
Queen's Blood. Oh it's such a sleigh
1:22:25
but it makes you First.
1:22:27
I normally don't give a shit about these minigames in
1:22:31
video games. I'm like, let's just keep it moving, Let's
1:22:33
get the main thing going.
1:22:35
I don't want to be distracted by these side things. No,
1:22:38
the side things are just as fun. I
1:22:41
want to win at the side gas. I want to achieve
1:22:43
the highest rank at the side games. There's a game
1:22:45
where you played the piano and you have to like it's
1:22:47
like Dance Dancer Revolution, which you know is very
1:22:49
formative for me. This game
1:22:52
is pure fun,
1:22:54
pure fun. Oh, I have another adem think so money
1:22:56
really quickly? Okay, I don't think so, honey,
1:22:58
Alex English, No, No, no, just very very very Alex
1:23:00
English. He changed I got Steff on on air
1:23:03
on SNL for this Lisa Temecula sketch.
1:23:05
This was really good. He switched
1:23:08
up the cue cards on me. Aga was
1:23:10
supposed to have the line
1:23:12
I am neurodiverger, but she did not say neurodivergent.
1:23:14
She said something else. But then instead
1:23:17
I see on the cards points to Bowen
1:23:19
before the next line. And I
1:23:21
have never felt a more pure,
1:23:24
even blend of horror and joy
1:23:27
than that moment. It was so
1:23:31
fucking It was the craziest moment
1:23:33
of my life. I thought, I was like, nothing's going to be
1:23:35
like you know, the first Lisa in terms
1:23:37
of like, oh, because we're black, Like
1:23:40
that was my soul left my body. This
1:23:43
was something else, but just as
1:23:45
thrilling and satisfying. I was just like, this
1:23:48
is the craziest thing for Ago
1:23:50
to point to me and say that line
1:23:53
is fucking demonic
1:23:55
and Alex English, I love you to death, but
1:23:58
you are you are dast You're
1:24:00
on burn Notice you're preemptively
1:24:03
you guys got burned.
1:24:04
Here's your notice. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
1:24:06
that was so funny. What a great episode
1:24:08
altogether. That was like I actually
1:24:12
all my friends went out and I stayed home
1:24:14
to like watch it because I was like,
1:24:17
I needed a night off anyway, because
1:24:19
we did game show on Friday, I went out
1:24:22
Saturday.
1:24:22
I didn't want to watch Ari.
1:24:24
Well, I had to intel that there was going
1:24:26
to be some special sketches, and I
1:24:28
did want to see her live performances, and
1:24:31
they were great. And I
1:24:33
had serious fomo because I know that
1:24:35
a lot of the a lot of girls were there. Yeah,
1:24:37
and then I saw you guys playing What are you guys seeing karaoke
1:24:39
or playing video games?
1:24:40
Afterwards? What were you guys? We were saying karaoke in
1:24:42
my office, But Ben Plat, Noah
1:24:44
Galvin were there. I heard we
1:24:47
were all hanging out in Nari's dressing room. After the show.
1:24:49
She had to hop on a jet right to go
1:24:51
right to La to go to the Oscars and getting glam.
1:24:53
Yeah, she did not mix the after party. But
1:24:57
she loves Josh and Air and she loves Dix the Musical.
1:25:00
And I will reveal that Josh
1:25:03
did did dare her. He
1:25:06
goes, I will pay you one dollar
1:25:09
if for best original song, you open up the envelope
1:25:11
and say it's a tie between Dix
1:25:13
the Musical and Theater Camp one
1:25:15
dollar. She couldn't make that happen. She said,
1:25:17
Okay, I'll think about it. Okay, just
1:25:20
doing the bit obviously, but just being like, okay,
1:25:22
yeah, let me let me.
1:25:25
Anythink about how I can make that work. Anyway, It was
1:25:27
a very it was a very fun night.
1:25:28
But I'm in La next week for you know,
1:25:30
undisclosed reasons having to do
1:25:32
with the podcast maybe, but I
1:25:34
want to go out. I want to have a night out with you, with
1:25:37
my girl and the girls and the other girls maybe
1:25:39
post drag race.
1:25:40
That can be arranged. That can be arranged for sure. In fact,
1:25:42
there is a there is something happening, so
1:25:45
I'll talk to you off air about it. But just
1:25:47
final words, I just want to say my best
1:25:49
dress was a tie between Sondra
1:25:51
Schuler and Mulligan care
1:25:55
both Black was in, Black
1:25:57
was in I thought they
1:26:00
were stunning. Sandra Huler was giving me
1:26:02
like glamorous, like movie star
1:26:04
of yesteryear. I loved her sleek, pony's
1:26:07
tail, hair, the shoulder, it
1:26:09
was powerful.
1:26:10
I thought she was a real winner.
1:26:11
Her movies did amazing and
1:26:13
she may not have won, but she looked incredible. I'm
1:26:16
super like in awe
1:26:18
of her and Carrie Mulligan looked
1:26:20
unbelievable, so fucking chic
1:26:22
and elegant, like the mermaid
1:26:25
bottom of that dress, the gloves, like.
1:26:27
The cutout scalloped,
1:26:29
the scalloped thing. Oh, just so fucking
1:26:32
gorgeous.
1:26:33
She looked absolutely stunning,
1:26:36
like for real, for real, I do
1:26:38
I'm biased, but Cynthia and Urie
1:26:40
looked amazing.
1:26:41
Johnny ally fucking chic,
1:26:43
cunty choice.
1:26:45
Yeah, they looked very good together. I'm
1:26:47
sure obviously that was like, you know, by design, yeah,
1:26:49
representing.
1:26:50
I do want to shout out Gucci did
1:26:53
some beautiful dresses for Lily, for
1:26:55
Lily Gladstone, oh yeah, for the show and for
1:26:57
the Vanity Fair party. Like both of her dresses were fucking
1:26:59
stunning and such beautiful homages
1:27:02
or just like tributes to like Native
1:27:04
dress, like just so beautiful, like the feather
1:27:06
motif and that color for the Oscars
1:27:09
down, I was like, oh, that's so stunning.
1:27:10
The ear They're gorgeous, and
1:27:13
I really feel like, you
1:27:16
know, I feel like it's just the beginning and like,
1:27:18
oh, it's truly us, and
1:27:20
you know, they said they really want to host SNL.
1:27:23
I would love for them to host SNL. I think
1:27:25
they would be amazing. And I have tea
1:27:29
not on Lily, but I
1:27:31
will say I have on good authority that Lily's
1:27:33
mother watches SNL every week and
1:27:36
calls me her son, I'm
1:27:39
gagging Lily Gladstone and mother says,
1:27:41
my son is on. Look at my son. I'm
1:27:45
Lily's brother.
1:27:47
Oh my god, that is so gorgeous.
1:27:49
Well, we're fans of Lily. Lily was performing
1:27:51
some Killers of the Flower Moon was just
1:27:54
beautiful, and there's
1:27:57
gonna be much more.
1:27:58
I'm sure.
1:27:59
I'm excited about this Hulu show. I did not know
1:28:01
they were the star of this
1:28:03
Hulu show. I just only saw the preview during
1:28:05
the Oscars and I was like, Oh, what's that has Riley
1:28:08
Kyoh.
1:28:08
Who's like he's so fucking good good.
1:28:12
So I'm excited about that.
1:28:13
And then I wanted to say two other things, which is I feel
1:28:16
like we haven't really gotten to talk about this,
1:28:18
but two things everyone should
1:28:20
go see which are
1:28:23
literally created by friends
1:28:25
of ours and starring friends of ours. The first
1:28:27
of which is The Emma Stone, produced,
1:28:31
written and directed by Julio Torres.
1:28:33
Fantastic.
1:28:34
This was great fucking till the Switton's amazing
1:28:36
and it like Julio has done it again,
1:28:39
like Greta Titleman is in it, Greta Lee,
1:28:41
j Sully, Riza, fucking
1:28:44
you know what I mean, Like it's got such a great cast. Oh my
1:28:46
god, River Ramirez, like.
1:28:51
Just the funniest human like god,
1:28:54
so good, I mean, you know, so
1:28:58
good, just like I mean, gotta
1:29:00
go see that one. And then of course we
1:29:02
haven't even mentioned it, but oh
1:29:05
Mary, oh Mary is
1:29:07
I mean, if you're in New York and you're
1:29:09
not fighting tooth and noil to go see this or you haven't
1:29:11
already, you are not doing it right.
1:29:14
The funniest theater ever I
1:29:16
think, ever, it's so funny,
1:29:18
like I mean, Cole Escola just
1:29:21
incredible. There are
1:29:23
idol and has always have been,
1:29:26
like the best in the biz.
1:29:27
Again James Kelly also in that a
1:29:29
little moment for James Kelly lately and
1:29:32
uh Conrad Rickmora and just
1:29:35
the best. Like so you gotta go
1:29:37
see old Mary. You will not be disappointed.
1:29:40
It is so good.
1:29:41
It feels with understudies by Peter
1:29:43
Smith and Hannasolo good friends of ours
1:29:45
as well. Yes, yes, all around, just
1:29:48
great things, good peeps and
1:29:50
all that and yeah,
1:29:52
this was This was last
1:29:54
colch, This was last college. This
1:29:56
is a long episode of Last Coach. I
1:29:58
know. We end with the song something
1:30:03
of Bed is made for
1:30:05
some bad made
1:30:09
me go on. You
1:30:13
picked her key too. You usually never do
1:30:16
that. I never do that. For
1:30:21
more of that, listened to Eternal Sunshine,
1:30:24
Bye True Story. I'm not gonna
1:30:26
do Bye
1:30:29
Bye
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