0:01

Look, oh, I see you my

0:03

own look over there is

0:05

that culture. Yes, goodness, loves

0:08

cult.

0:11

Love culturing. What voice

0:13

are you picking today posts Fire Island? Well,

0:17

okay, let's just here's

0:19

the peak that comes behind the curtain every now and then.

0:21

If you're from the fight hours

0:24

ago, we got off the ferry and

0:26

say, ill off of

0:29

what I would say, it was a really wonderful trip.

0:31

Lovely and shorter than you. We usually

0:33

do sorter than usual, which is.

0:35

Not necessarily a function of the

0:37

quality of the trip. It's like, certainly not. You

0:39

can have a short trip that's awful, or a long trip it's

0:41

great.

0:42

But what I love is that we typically

0:44

go to Fire Island for days on end, where

0:46

we scream and drink alcohol. Right

0:48

before we sort of ambitionous

0:50

well record the Pakistan ambitiously do the Culture

0:53

Awards, sing and we put we put

0:55

ourselves up there and we raise

0:57

our hands and volunteer this thing difficult material.

0:59

Difficult to By the time this episode releases,

1:01

the Culture Awards will have happened. Yeah, our

1:03

guests will have storm the stage,

1:06

storm the stage, and you

1:09

will be able to judge in.

1:13

Posterity. Yeah, posterity, Yeah,

1:15

posterity.

1:16

It's like when you know what this really bothers some people when

1:18

you say looking back in retrospect, it's

1:20

like you're sort of.

1:21

Double dipping atm machine. But sometimes you

1:24

have to keep.

1:24

Reminding yourselves in a sentence what you're saying, like

1:26

looking back in retrospect, I

1:28

can remember. It's like this is all asked

1:31

and answered. But it doesn't hurt no,

1:33

to keep letting the audience know what you

1:35

mean.

1:36

That's language.

1:37

That's language. Can we rail against people

1:39

who say that we say like too much.

1:41

I see what you're doing. It's not going to work.

1:43

We see what you're doing, and it's

1:45

giving gen x, non derogatory,

1:48

but it is giving gen x.

1:49

I think that when sometimes when you say like in a sentence,

1:52

it gives the other words power and context

1:55

and no one's talking about Every language

1:57

has filler words. One language we do speak

2:00

pop culture. Now something has hit

2:02

the headlines, and we actually laughed about it for about

2:04

seven or eight minutes, which is a long time to laugh about

2:06

one single news item in the car just now, but it

2:08

was a really good one, and that was that Yolanda

2:11

Saldivar, the I guess you

2:13

know, murderer of Selena has

2:15

come out and said that when she gets released,

2:17

she gets paroled in twenty twenty five, she would

2:20

love to work with Shakira.

2:21

She wants to work with Shakira. That's

2:23

like where she sees her next move.

2:25

And then someone very funny quote

2:28

tweeted quote hosted girl,

2:30

you're not working with anybody when

2:33

you're out. We're jumping with a

2:35

pearl hit. We're jumping you what's

2:38

not what's not clicking?

2:40

The what's not clicking was really an important part

2:42

of it. Are we allowed to jump Yolanda?

2:44

I'm not gonna jump Yolanda, but I'm certainly

2:46

not gonna I'm not gonna say to anyone out there

2:48

that's gonna jump Yolanda upon her you

2:50

know, freedom down.

2:52

Some people, you know did

2:54

a bad thing and she is currently

2:56

serving time for that thing.

2:58

But and that's a real culture victual culture

3:00

number thirteen did a bad

3:02

thing and she is currently serving time for that thing.

3:06

That's the rule. That's actually the rule.

3:08

And Yolan, I would prefer if y'all want to stay

3:10

locked up. Yeah, I don't want

3:12

to talk about parole when it comes to you.

3:14

I don't want to talk about parole when it comes to Yolanda

3:16

because then I think and

3:18

then I think about the prison system at large,

3:20

and it depresses.

3:21

It's so depressing. I don't want to think about

3:23

anything depressing, you know what I mean? Like,

3:25

I want to live in a world of joy, happiness.

3:27

And more and more. I I constantly

3:30

am waking up in the morning and I think, how can I make

3:32

this a wonderful day that encompasses

3:34

joy, that encompasses joy? Joy? What and more?

3:37

Oh? Laughter and more joy? I think what

3:39

I just say?

3:41

Joy? Laughter, and our brains are on too,

3:43

but we're not complaining. No,

3:46

Well, wait, what won the most

3:49

Bowen Yang Coded Award? Oh

3:51

it wasn't Matt TV's Tomato soap Tomato

3:53

soapd Tomatoes. I suggested that what should

3:56

win the award for most

3:58

bonyang Coded Award was mad

4:00

TV. I thought that would be humorous, you

4:03

know, the humorous joke in the show.

4:05

And Bowen got a little shy and he said,

4:08

no, it should be tomato leaves. I don't

4:10

disagree. I would have loved to have Matt TV be most

4:13

bonyank Coded.

4:13

I just think what is most bon yank coded is still

4:16

is the luave not

4:18

to make this anymore. A lot of the girls are

4:20

doing tomatoes.

4:21

And it soaps. Do you think it's because of this podcast?

4:23

No, no, no, I think there was. People

4:26

did their market research and.

4:28

Here I was thinking we were tasting

4:30

No, no, never, listen.

4:32

I do want to say I'm happy that my most

4:35

Matt Rogers coded it was the expression

4:37

not for nothing, for nothing. I think that was really good and not

4:39

for nothing. This episode,

4:43

this little overdue. This well, it's award

4:45

winning.

4:46

It's award win.

4:46

We've we've just gotten news that this

4:48

episode has already won awards.

4:50

It's in the front runner for a glad Ward.

4:52

We're glad. Oh my god, Like

4:55

you.

4:55

Just want to thank all of our LGBTQ plus

4:57

supporters out there.

4:58

But you know who you are.

5:00

And I think we've picked a true representative

5:03

of the queer community today to be on the podcast.

5:05

Well, I was going to say earlier that this is someone

5:07

who encompasses the joy, laughter and more.

5:09

Joy, laughter and more.

5:11

I don't think about It's the opposite of

5:13

me thinking about the prison system. I think about this person

5:15

and I feel expansive, I feel joyful.

5:17

I feel the opposite of depressed.

5:19

I don't think of prison at all when I think no,

5:22

I feel like, in fact, my shackles are

5:24

off.

5:25

Yes, yeah, this person say

5:28

it was out with us into

5:31

the dawn hours of

5:33

the S and L finale.

5:34

And can I say something, well, of course, so it

5:36

being an arcade, there was of course a

5:38

game where you kill kills with a real

5:40

gun. And the way I saw her

5:43

use the gun, maybe she should be in prison.

5:46

Hey, lock her up, let

5:48

her speak, Let's bring her in everyone,

5:50

well, get a hold on before before we bring her in.

5:52

Yeah, she's the star of Hack. I have some respect.

5:55

Just finish its incredible third season, yep, and

5:59

her special Everything Must

6:01

Go comes out June thirteenth on HBO.

6:03

It's a big moment. Can

6:06

I say, right now, Bowen Yang, do it again? Do that

6:08

again?

6:08

Bowen Yang has his arm on my shoulder

6:11

and it is a grip and

6:13

if you don't know, let's go on

6:16

tight on this.

6:19

Cow intense the grip he has on me. Bowen

6:21

Yang has me. He's choking me out

6:24

through my shoulder. Everything

6:26

must go. The bony shoulder.

6:28

That was a fun joke from I Love That for you, like

6:31

where they showed the best part of a woman, the bony

6:33

shoulder.

6:34

That's really fun. But that show got canceled,

6:36

but it's.

6:37

Coming back for season four is Hacks, and

6:40

we we really want to see what happens next because

6:42

it's a cliffhanger emotional.

6:45

Oh, but it's it gets flipped at

6:47

the end.

6:48

The first time I saw our guests, I pointed

6:51

to her and out loud to myself, I said star

6:53

quality.

6:54

And I've been saying it to this day.

6:55

We will continue to say, continue to say. Everyone,

6:57

please welcome into your ear.

7:00

Hannah, I'm blinder. Are

7:02

you already bursting out? Don't

7:05

cry? Joy?

7:07

Thank you?

7:08

Oh my god, don't

7:11

you Why would you cry in front of us?

7:14

What do we do?

7:15

I'm sorry, this is so grit, but no,

7:17

don't I really love you that? And

7:19

now you know we love you.

7:21

We've loved you all along.

7:22

Read Are you bad?

7:24

Oh my god, it's ear.

7:27

I'll tell you this.

7:29

Really, I'm so sorry.

7:31

This is iconic.

7:32

You got.

7:34

Truly a film. This is unreal.

7:36

What's happening?

7:37

Is you see?

7:38

For me, it's like John Paul Ringo

7:40

Georgie.

7:42

Like dumb because

7:46

genuinely sobbing.

7:49

I run.

7:50

I want a radio contest to be here.

7:53

I am a fan.

7:54

I literally like, I feel

7:56

like it's so embarrassing you haven't been on It's

7:59

crazy. It's a big, big, big over

8:03

We're embarrassed.

8:05

Okay, was that?

8:07

Did that feel like a release of other things that week?

8:11

What's going on?

8:11

No?

8:12

I I genuinely like

8:15

I listened to every episode and I okay,

8:17

here I go.

8:19

I'm sorry.

8:21

It's like, I just appreciate your

8:23

guys love and I appreciate you guys.

8:27

Did you see the way he was grasping my soldier

8:30

you felt how hard it was?

8:33

Look like, genuinely

8:36

I appreciate you guys sharing your love with us.

8:38

And also like I have you know, like

8:41

maybe you guys have this experience where like you

8:43

listen to podcasts when you are hello

8:47

and you're like, I'm.

8:48

Not allowed it

8:53

was this a pandemic thing? Did it happen

8:55

during the pandemic?

8:56

Totally? Totally.

8:58

That's why I feel this way when I see poverty.

9:00

Yeah. Yeah, it can translate to

9:02

film and television as well.

9:03

I want people to know that it can. I mean,

9:06

here's the thing.

9:06

I really like, it's like bowls me over

9:09

that you say that, because legitimately I do remember

9:11

going to just for laughs and I saw it was

9:13

not the New Faces set that

9:15

you did, but it was one in a smaller.

9:17

Space with all the skulls.

9:18

The one was that.

9:19

Yeah, it was bizarre, like there are these satellite

9:21

shows that happened around the big showcase

9:23

events. I just remember like you going up

9:25

there and you were everyone was amazing, but

9:27

like you couldn't forget you, and

9:30

it's like it is it's like an intangible that you

9:32

have. It was like, well, I of course remember

9:34

your bit with the mic standwhich I thought was truly brilliant,

9:36

and I was like, I've never.

9:37

Seen this before, but like you really

9:39

are.

9:39

It's just like, I mean, it's so unsurprising

9:42

to see that you become this like fucking star

9:44

and catch you in this moment is so great. I was so happy

9:46

that you could come in this week, and like it has

9:49

to be a feeling, like a very big moment,

9:51

like you know how it feels when like you're having

9:54

like that thing like this finale came out, everyone's

9:56

so emphatic about it.

9:57

Now the special you're having a fucking moment bo

10:00

thank you.

10:00

It does feel really good. It feels really warm.

10:03

I am new to being able to receive it

10:05

as well, which is so nice. Oh,

10:08

you know, because it kind of bounces off or it sticks for

10:10

five or fifteen minutes and then it leaves the body,

10:12

of course.

10:13

But now you're feeling like it's it's it's keeping

10:15

a bit.

10:16

Yeah, it's really nice.

10:18

What do you think is the instinct I want to toss that off

10:20

when someone is like, hey, I see you

10:22

and what you're doing is fucking great. Like, what do you think it is

10:25

that makes you want to respond the way where it's like no, because

10:27

I.

10:27

Do get that.

10:28

I mean, I think it's just low self esteem and the inability.

10:31

I don't think it's a tossing off so much as

10:33

it is an inability to grasp it at all. Ah,

10:35

you know, I think like it's just you

10:37

know, you cannot you have to have like that

10:40

feeling in yourself first, so cliche,

10:42

but it feels like I also think it's like

10:44

conditioned in comedians who are just so

10:47

like sharks, like just you're just

10:49

swimming around and then after you've eaten,

10:51

you're hungry again, and it's like every

10:53

set is like, Okay, that was good, and then you're

10:55

only as good as your last set, and it's like this thing of like

10:58

you're constantly having to reevaluate your worth

11:00

and you're constantly being told externally whether

11:02

you're doing.

11:04

And sometimes you could get three different things in

11:07

one night. Yeah, Hannah.

11:09

Hannah and Tim Heidecker witnessed me spiraling

11:12

at the snl F and now, oh my god, okay, really

11:16

no, because my fucking update got cut.

11:18

Which by the way, and it's like the costume

11:21

was so like, it was so grand and

11:24

I want to be in

11:26

that drag and it getting cut and

11:29

I.

11:29

Associated, and then I was in paint cans

11:31

and then you and Tim came and my

11:33

brain was like wait, like that's

11:35

a friend. And then I like that was

11:38

my body not receiving this like stimulus of

11:40

like you should be happy that this is happening

11:42

now, but you are so upset and sad and

11:44

furious.

11:45

I cannot tell you how much I understood

11:47

in the moment and now of of course, like you're

11:50

in this thing. I had never seen the show

11:52

in that capacity before. It is crazy.

11:56

Yeah, that

11:58

is psychotic.

12:00

What's the thing that people don't get is like when things get cut,

12:02

they get cut, and you're in the costume, a.

12:05

Costume or the prosthetic or the whatever,

12:08

like oh my god, You're just standing there and it's like, okay, now,

12:10

like you have no time to process that

12:13

is fucked up. That is fucked up.

12:15

Yeah, it was an update that got cut during

12:18

air, which I'm telling y'all doesn't

12:20

happen, and the fact that it happened

12:23

was what was upsetting.

12:24

I'm sorry, no, no, no, it's okay.

12:25

We turned to you and you broke down. Both

12:28

felt that felt like he could say this here with

12:30

you, and I think that is kind of nice about like seeing

12:33

other comedians in these spots where you

12:35

never really fucking saw yourself, Like I don't

12:37

know if you and you can answered this question,

12:40

did you ever see yourself leading a dramedy

12:43

like that really does because it's obviously

12:45

hilarious show, but like you are

12:48

doing some stuff on there, you are pulling

12:50

a big, heavy emotional.

12:52

Bags and you look across the table

12:54

and guess who it is. It's the legend. It's JS,

12:57

and it's JS.

12:58

And I think we've all had version of this where

13:00

you're like, what the fuck am I doing here? I'm supposed

13:02

to be at Union Hall for like a fifteen

13:05

time and I'm paying them to let me

13:07

go, Exactly like I'm used

13:09

to I'm used to meeting the poutine at

13:12

Union Hall before I go. Yeah,

13:15

literally, and that was the whole bit, was my fart,

13:18

like and like they're supposed to pay me

13:20

in two Brooklyn Laggers after we performed Suck.

13:22

Yeah, you know what I mean, Like it's and then all of a sudden

13:24

you're there with the legend. Did you ever see

13:27

that for yourself? Was it comedy ever a means to an end

13:29

to acting for you? Or is this like something

13:32

that has happened.

13:32

It is, in every possible conceivable

13:34

way, something that has happened. I never once even

13:37

thought about this being my life

13:39

or path. I had no TI.

13:42

I mean, I was in the fucking I you know, I

13:45

just it was not so I

13:47

didn't.

13:48

Yeah, I saw you doing the stand up.

13:50

I was like, I know what she does is stand up, and then all of a sudden

13:53

you get up there and you're doing the thing with jam and.

13:55

I'm going, what did you get your taking

13:57

a risk? Paul Jenny Legia? How

13:59

did you know?

14:00

Oh?

14:00

I could have done like, but how did they know? I'm

14:02

like the audition scenes that I did, yes,

14:05

there was there were some that were serious, but like

14:07

I never cried or anything like that, Like, how

14:09

could they have known it was a big I mean, I'd

14:12

see it as a big gamble on their part.

14:14

I'm glad they rolled the dice, yes, but

14:17

like I mean, yeah, I never I

14:19

never thought that I would do this at all, and

14:22

it has been such a gift because, as you

14:24

know, like solar performance is very isolating,

14:26

and you almost don't know how isolating it is until you do

14:28

it in a group. And you

14:30

know, I am very much. I was

14:33

just you know, stand up comedian vibes featuring

14:36

touring road dot com.

14:39

And now it's like totally

14:41

different and I love acting. It has

14:43

become a deep, deep love

14:45

of mine. But I would say, yeah, stand up is definitely my

14:48

first love and it was what I hoped to do it

14:50

just you know, Hacks has totally

14:53

made being a stand up comedian in the capacity that

14:55

I have always wanted. Single handedly

14:57

made it possible. Like you know, I would

14:59

be the fuck Holiday and Express and goddamn

15:01

wherever the fuck you know without.

15:03

That's a good they

15:07

actually they have good records. That's really

15:09

good. And the coffees well too hot.

15:12

But give it some time, give some cool.

15:15

I think it's very Special that Sandy Honik directed the

15:17

sashion You're I mean, just the

15:19

best my bestie, bestie, but this is

15:21

like, this is the thing that maybe takes it out of an isolating

15:24

experience, which is bring a friend

15:26

in collabor vision, you collaborate on

15:28

it.

15:30

Like Sandy and I were like, I mean we've

15:32

just always been like, dude, you know, it would be sick,

15:34

dude, you know, I'd be sick, like back and forth over

15:36

the years, like if I ever got

15:38

to do a special, even when it was like so far off

15:41

into the future, like we'd be like stoned

15:43

in the backyard, like arranging

15:46

sticks and leaves, like what the stage would look

15:48

like, like like legit like and also

15:50

like you know, with the special, we really wanted it to

15:53

feel filmic and beautiful

15:55

and create a certain aesthetic and reference

15:58

various like like film

16:00

hormances, and it just

16:03

was this thing where like we had total creative

16:05

synergy on this, like in

16:07

the post process, like every single

16:09

day, like literally she would

16:11

be behind me and we'd be looking at

16:13

the edit and we'd be trying to tell our

16:16

editor like where we want to cut, and we'd clap

16:18

in unison and it would be like i'd turn back

16:20

because we're just like on the same wlad.

16:22

Like when it's two people.

16:25

When when too consciousness is you for mind,

16:27

you create a mind totally.

16:28

And she's a comedian as well, obviously.

16:30

Yeah, so she and I would she would open

16:32

for me on the road sometimes, and like she's seen My

16:34

Hour in its various iterations, and so she really

16:37

knew the material and she has

16:39

the ability in the live performance

16:42

to go now you know all

16:44

that stuff because she is so in

16:46

it with me and we just laugh

16:48

and laugh and laugh and go what would be

16:50

the most gorgeous thing? And then we do that. It's

16:53

awesome.

16:53

I just feel like she is so limitless

16:56

in terms of her talent. I mean, like like I

16:58

just get so excited about Sandy all

17:01

the time. I get excited about Sandy on screen.

17:03

I get excited about what she does with photo. I

17:05

get excited about this, like her writing,

17:08

Like I would imagine that it's not

17:10

just about.

17:11

Her being so talented in terms of knowing what she

17:13

wants and knowing what.

17:14

You want, but also her being really

17:16

gifted at being able to hold space for

17:19

you as someone who I'm gauging

17:22

is like very emotional, like you know what

17:24

I mean, Like it matters a lot. I

17:26

know that they always say, likeways, you always say,

17:28

don't take yourself so seriously, don't take yourself so

17:30

seriously. And we get to a certain place because we've

17:32

followed that advice, and then all of a sudden, you're

17:34

forced too, and it's like, I.

17:35

Don't know how to do this.

17:37

So just turning around and looking and seeing someone

17:39

that you really trust, that's like we're figuring

17:41

it out together. I'm here, I'm not gonna

17:43

let you look stupid. If you look stupid,

17:46

we're both gonna look stupid. So let's fucking

17:48

go for it and do the thing that we know

17:50

we can do it. Just you believe it

17:52

because that person has never given

17:55

you like reason to doubt

17:57

them.

17:58

Yeah, and I'm literally pointing at him because that's

18:00

who it is for me.

18:02

That's what I was going to say, Like, you guys know the

18:04

specific type of synergy that occurs

18:06

when you are creating something with someone you really

18:09

love, who really knows you, and you do create

18:11

one mind Ah, that

18:13

is really that is as good as it gets.

18:15

Like you did

18:21

you feel like when

18:24

you did the special, like you were able to walk

18:27

away and be like I did it.

18:29

I feel like I did it the best I fucking could.

18:31

Well, Okay, I have a question for you. Did you do two

18:33

shows?

18:33

Did you do one to one right after

18:36

another?

18:36

And because it was singing, I felt really scared, And

18:38

then once it was done, I was like, Okay,

18:40

thank god we did too right back to back because.

18:42

It was fine in the edit.

18:43

How much did you use of like split?

18:46

We went like song by song.

18:48

If I thought I gave a better performance than the one,

18:50

I just used the whole take of that song, and then

18:52

there was some creative stuff. But because it's

18:54

music, it's a little different. But yes,

18:56

we used a lot of both, a lot of both, and sometimes

18:58

there was a little vanity in it.

19:03

So I and this definitely also speaks

19:06

to the like it's good to have someone there who knows

19:08

you and who can be like holding. I

19:11

use majority late show because I think

19:13

just generally, like the first

19:16

show is filled with the people who bought tickets

19:18

early. They were there on time, they

19:21

lined up at five pm. They are

19:23

there for the early show. They're like just

19:25

applause after every you know, after

19:28

every joke where I'm going like too

19:30

much.

19:33

You're excited to see me, was that good?

19:35

Yeah, Like I definitely ended up using more

19:37

of the late show, and I was in a

19:39

place after the early show and people constantly

19:42

say this to me, and they have always said this to me, and

19:45

I am happy that this is the case. But

19:47

it is that, like, you know, I'll feel

19:49

a certain way after a set and people go, are you serious?

19:53

You look so confident because my like

19:55

if you will persona is like a very

19:57

heightened version of myself. It is

20:00

confident, like swaggy whatever. And

20:03

so like the first performance,

20:05

like I wanted to kill I

20:10

literally, I know what it's going to be after

20:13

I say, good evening the first thing, and it's

20:15

like they were warm and they were there, but like

20:18

there was the crowd, no

20:20

shade, thank you for the support. They lack of sexuality,

20:23

you know what I mean. I want people to have

20:25

be a little licked up. I want a couple

20:27

of drinks in like you know what I mean. I want

20:29

them loose. And so the first show

20:32

was giving you know, there was a platonic

20:34

energy in the crowd.

20:36

That's a beautiful energy to when

20:39

you're committing it to film.

20:40

That's right, that's right, that's right. So it

20:42

did end up being like, you

20:44

know, first show, I was like, like I

20:47

genuinely was in the back going

20:49

like maybe maybe stand

20:51

up isn't meant

20:55

to be film, Maybe

20:57

maybe it's all for not. Maybe maybe

21:00

we we shouldn't have it was a fool's

21:02

era, and we I should stay live, I

21:04

should stay on the road. And then the second

21:06

show, I was like I am a god.

21:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah, So

21:11

you're able to exist in both

21:13

those things. I wonder like when you were younger,

21:15

when you were like first starting out, were you

21:18

someone that was like, I can

21:20

do this because I know I can do it, or were you someone

21:22

that was like, I'm being trepidacious and I'm going to prove

21:24

it to myself.

21:25

I mean, it definitely was like show

21:27

to show, Mike to Mike, performance to performance,

21:29

like oscillating, but I definitely think

21:32

that I quickly

21:34

learned that, like, yeah, we go up at

21:36

the open mic with things that we think are like I

21:38

think this is as good as and all my other

21:41

good ship, and they just are telling you no.

21:44

They are telling you now, no problem,

21:46

and it's like agree to disagree. But also like audience

21:48

is king like they actually ultimately never

21:51

wrong, They're never wrong, and they decide so

21:54

and they decide I'm glad, which is so yeah,

21:57

I don't know.

21:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're talking about it. I love talking about that.

22:00

Okay, So I had like this is an analogy.

22:02

I guess it's like do doctors

22:05

performing surgery for a crowd, like

22:08

have them weigh in, and it's like, wait,

22:11

should I'm I'm the expert.

22:13

Actually, you know what I mean? Like sometimes I do feel

22:15

that in my jadedness where I'm like, yeah, wait,

22:17

but it's you, I'm It's

22:19

I'm the one, and it's I know that isn't

22:22

the case. And ultimately, like

22:24

they do win every time and thank you to

22:26

the audience, but sometimes it's frustrating.

22:30

This is a thing that I like about working

22:32

and as is that the

22:36

people who run it have

22:39

always abided by this notion of the

22:41

audience is always right. Yeah, they know better than me

22:44

do Like it doesn't matter what I

22:47

let's say, Lorden Michaels thinks, like

22:49

is the best piece of comedy. They

22:51

are the arbiters in every situation, no

22:54

exceptions, and like that is

22:56

I think for me, what's getting a lot of like getting

23:00

in the way of like this generational divide.

23:01

In terms of like what comedy is.

23:03

It's like it's these comedians who are like, oh,

23:05

like the audiences have changed, and they're not they're

23:08

wrong now. No, it's it's

23:11

just that they've they've always been right. They

23:13

were right back in the day. They're

23:15

right now.

23:16

It's you who's changed.

23:17

You who's changed. It's you who has not changed,

23:20

right right, right right.

23:21

You are the fixed point. And maybe that's the problem.

23:23

And like I think this is a good thing

23:26

for everyone to have personally, Yeah,

23:28

totally, Like is just this this

23:30

way of like.

23:31

Filling in the container. Yeah, and you

23:33

hold like.

23:34

Look as a performer and as

23:36

someone who gets on stage, like you have

23:38

this feeling of like, ah, I had

23:40

faith in this thing. I believed in this thing, in this joke,

23:43

whatever it may be. But yeah, like at

23:45

the end of the day, really it's just not up

23:47

to you. And that's like fine,

23:51

that's what it is. Yes, And ultimately,

23:53

like you do get that feedback, especially when you tour,

23:55

like you do get that feedback across the board. Yeah,

23:58

it's really rare that it's like, oh, it's didn't work

24:00

everywhere and then it worked here, Like it's very

24:02

ye. And then if it does it's like you can't

24:05

trust that. You have to trust the failure

24:07

actually, and you're also not.

24:08

Going to win in litigation against the audience, you

24:10

know what I mean. It's like afterwards, it's

24:13

it is over. It should live and die there,

24:15

and there should be something to be learned from that. But it feels

24:18

like a not only is this conversation

24:20

that a lot of people are having about how like older

24:22

comics and from another generation

24:25

and you know the icons that are like constantly

24:27

reilling against this, it kind of just feels like

24:29

this is not an interesting topic and if

24:31

you haven't discovered that, you can't say anything

24:33

funny about it.

24:34

Now move on.

24:35

I was like really happy about what Julia Louis

24:38

Dreyfus was

24:41

that she said it was in response to this idea of

24:43

like kind of everyone of

24:46

that male generation being like, you know, the audiences

24:48

are fucked up. You know, Seinfeld says what he says,

24:50

et cetera. And we've all heard odd nauseum

24:53

from the usual suspects about how woke

24:55

culture is killing comedy. But she was like, I

24:58

feel like it's a huge red flat when

25:00

we're so fixated on this, And

25:03

she was like, what's really killing comedy,

25:05

and what's really killing content is the consolidation

25:07

of wealth and power, which is in and of

25:09

itself kind of a way to drag them and

25:12

not for nothing, not blown, not like revealing

25:15

anything here, but she knows wealth, I mean,

25:17

like Julia Lewis dragon total like she

25:19

you know what I mean, Like it's like she understands

25:22

like.

25:22

How it all works and how it all moves.

25:24

And to be in power in comedy, I mean, she's

25:26

been one of the brand names of comedy since the nineties.

25:28

So to look around and see everyone fixating on this

25:31

thing and it's not getting funny or a more

25:33

interesting from that vantage point, it's like

25:35

this is also a worthwhile opinion here, which

25:37

is just like maybe we need to look a little bit

25:39

about how we are uncomfortable

25:42

with the fact that we can't necessarily

25:44

swing our dicks as.

25:45

Big and as loud anymore. Maybe that's

25:47

our issue.

25:49

And it's like the greatest

25:51

numbers, like what Dave Chappelle's Netflix

25:54

deal was like sixty million dollars and they offer

25:56

like our peers, like two hundred k all

25:59

told all production costs to pay every single

26:01

person on the crew, every single fee, every

26:03

single everything yeah, you're in the you're in the

26:05

in the red. By the end of it, it's like, what's

26:08

that you guys don't have like you

26:10

know what I mean, It's it's just crazy.

26:12

Like we're all doing a comedy show on Saturday.

26:15

Not that it like compares to like anything that

26:18

like is out there in the sort

26:20

of content mass, but like

26:23

we are putting up a show where

26:26

we're not necessarily like walking out with

26:28

a big like not at all.

26:30

Yeah, that's not what it's for, Like all that is going

26:32

into the show itself.

26:33

And it's like totally fine

26:35

for like an older generation of comedians to be like, well, culture

26:37

is killing comedy. But it's like Seinfeld

26:39

is taking a step further by saying that's why comedies

26:41

don't get made anymore, right, He's

26:43

like he's like that's why like comedy movies don't

26:47

open or don't get like theatrical releases.

26:49

Like he's like blaming it on that, which

26:51

I think is like so interesting, because

26:55

there are means to make comedies

26:58

every day we are doing on our

27:00

little scale, like and it's fun

27:02

and it's we think it's different than like what's out

27:04

there.

27:05

I don't know, like not not that I'm like, no one knows why

27:07

anything doesn't work either.

27:09

It's like again, it's just like the audience didn't want to see it,

27:11

and they're again they're not wrong, and they're

27:13

not wrong.

27:13

Well, I think often sometimes people in power

27:16

are inherently risk averse, and

27:18

so like our job is inherently

27:20

we are prone to risk, and so that

27:22

is where the incongruency lies.

27:25

And it's like they're just not they

27:27

they need something that is so so

27:30

obvious in their minds to work

27:33

in their minds to take a chance on it, which

27:36

is just I guess like a product of you know, the

27:38

new streaming era and all of the growth

27:41

that they need to create and this like ever

27:44

rising level of monetary gain

27:46

that needs to be in place. It's like

27:49

just you know, to Julia's point, that

27:51

is what's happening.

27:52

It's just like so shitty, Like what there's

27:54

so many like young comics that are like rising

27:56

up that are like and yet this dominating

27:59

common Harry is like, well, comedy

28:01

is dead, Like comedy is not happening. This is what's

28:03

killed comedy. It's like, look around, like

28:06

there's there's great comedians and it does feel obviously

28:08

very sexist and you know, homophobic and racist,

28:10

and it's undertones and all those things.

28:12

But it's just like, where are

28:14

the jokes about this?

28:15

Make it funny, Make it funny, you

28:18

know, dance for us monkey like you did in the beginning,

28:20

Jerry Seinfeld. Literally

28:22

in my first job, Jerry Seinfeld, really given,

28:26

My first job was in a sketch on comedians

28:28

and cars getting caught and

28:31

Michael Richards. It was the

28:33

Jimmy Fallon episode. And this was back in

28:35

the day when it was on Crackle Crackle,

28:38

and like I came out and like played

28:41

like a some version of a gay

28:43

assistant who was like, you know, taking

28:45

their pressed juice order and everything. But

28:48

it was me, Michael Richards and Jerry Snfeld

28:50

and it was the first time I had seen Michael Richards act

28:53

or do anything since since,

28:56

which I have to imagine does inform

28:59

the way that a lot of people like

29:01

seeing people get canceled in like an o G

29:03

way, like notwithstanding whether they absolutely

29:06

deserved it or not. But she's like, huh, this could

29:08

happen. I'm I have my guard up now, and

29:10

now it's the opportunity for this brown

29:12

swell of like.

29:13

How do we like theirs their right

29:16

right right.

29:17

I will say I love comedians and cars getting coffee,

29:19

but it is like, so oh my god, all

29:21

of the like like Jim Carrey and Gary Shandling

29:23

and like, no, it's great, all of the fucking

29:26

incredible, just like a window into like these

29:28

people in a way that we've never seen them before.

29:30

You like cars, I do like cars.

29:33

I like to drive.

29:34

You like to drive. I love driving. You love the open

29:36

road?

29:36

I love driving?

29:37

Yeah, Freedom, great show for your season two. Must

29:39

have felt incredible.

29:40

Yeah, yeah, totally

29:42

in the bus in the sticking my head

29:45

out like a dog. Oh yeah, tongue clapping

29:47

around the wind. Yeah that's me.

29:48

That's yeah. I do picture

29:51

it. Go ahead of the special

29:53

or handa driving, handah driving. What do you listen

29:55

to in the damn car?

29:57

Oh?

29:58

A lot of classics, A lot of classic classic

30:01

rock America. Bread, hand

30:03

read, you know what I mean, Steely

30:06

Dan, you know what I mean? Fucking the

30:08

Eagles man, Okay.

30:09

I wonder Hanson

30:12

is probably clutching their heart to be able

30:14

to be mentioned. Bread.

30:20

People really like right off? Bread? What's

30:22

with that?

30:23

What's with that?

30:23

We're also tired. You

30:28

got to come out of here. And workshop these jokes to find out

30:31

doesn't lie. That wasn't good. They didn't like

30:33

that bread joke. It got a respond.

30:36

Maybe there's an absolute value to keep coming back

30:38

a response. Then it means it's something.

30:49

All right. So we're talking about getting on the open.

30:52

And when I think about you driving and

30:55

listening to music, I think about you consuming culture,

30:57

which leads me to sort of like as the question, the big

30:59

question from the podcast, which is Hannah, I minder,

31:02

what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

31:04

Here we go, bring

31:06

it on.

31:10

You?

31:11

So I saw bring it on when

31:14

I was far too young to see it. It would have been

31:16

considered quote unquote inappropriate.

31:18

Got it number.

31:20

I would say, I was seven, and

31:23

you know, they're talking BJ, they're talking F,

31:25

they're talking you know several other letters,

31:27

you know what I mean. Yeah, so so

31:30

in the air well that

31:32

actually, you know, I would say that my liberal

31:35

Los Angeles Jewish family was actually being like, okay,

31:37

slay to that. But words

31:40

et cetera, yea, like a douchew that's

31:42

not for my child, crocked, crocked.

31:46

Sorry, that's that's one of my little me and

31:48

me and Sandy. We actually Crocked c

31:51

r O c K Crock Time

31:53

c r O c K T well

31:57

titled that rock Crocked Sandy

31:59

feels. Ok Oh,

32:01

if I may just a sidebary, I have a couple more words

32:04

that we've kind of please have been in

32:06

the rotation, So if and you

32:08

guys can please feel free to use this, no need to credit

32:10

me whatsoever. Like I just kind of want this to permeate

32:13

the culture, if you will. So this word

32:15

is sponge. Sponge would

32:17

be said when you take something

32:19

in so completely that it becomes you

32:22

fun.

32:22

So it's kind of that's sponge spun.

32:25

But you know what I mean if somebody says something

32:27

that feels like it's almost church, you know, gospel

32:30

sponge, but I'm absorbing that sponge,

32:33

I like, you know what I mean, I like. And then another

32:35

one would be something is so left

32:38

And that's just when something's not.

32:40

Right right, you know what I mean, Like

32:43

it had done been gone left.

32:45

Exactly, I would say, exactly, the discourse

32:48

is less, it's left left, the party.

32:52

Left, it was left.

32:53

We we had fun and then like around like one

32:56

kind of left, know, like.

32:57

After Hannah shot down the zombies the

33:00

arcade.

33:01

It just went left.

33:02

It just left. There was no right

33:05

after that.

33:05

Yeah, say that you really tore it up.

33:08

Yeah, that was kind of my first time on the on

33:10

the g on the gun. Well

33:13

you know it was, but you know I kind

33:16

of got into my like mister and missus Smith

33:18

to see a little bit picturing you. Yeah,

33:21

I was like I was Angelina in that moment. It

33:23

was kind of that.

33:25

I do want a Hannah Einbinder movie

33:28

in which not to glorify

33:32

this, but in which she holds a gun.

33:33

I'm ready to do that. I'll be honest with you. I'm

33:35

ready to do action because you should

33:38

as as aforementioned. And I will circle back. I

33:40

was a competitive cheer leader for years and so I am agile.

33:43

So let's go back to Bring it On.

33:45

Okay.

33:45

So, so.

33:52

I saw Bring it On at like seven or eight, and I

33:54

said, this is my life now.

33:57

So I uh my first

33:59

year from I'm sexy, I'm cute, I'm popular, but like from.

34:01

Yes first vivid and uh

34:04

uh uh wait, I'm sexy, I'm cute,

34:06

I'm popular, the boys

34:09

all up to stare. I'm wanted, I'm hot,

34:11

I'm everything you're not.

34:12

I smile, I'm cool. I dominated

34:14

this school. I just guys,

34:17

I want to touch my chest.

34:18

I rocking, I smile and anything.

34:20

Vile, I sile, I jump. You can look,

34:22

but don't you humph. I'm major.

34:24

I roar, I swear a whore.

34:26

We cheer and we lead. We act like ground.

34:28

CEA hate us because we're beautiful, lowlea

34:31

like you either weren't your leaders.

34:32

We aren't your leaders. All come eating

34:35

Red, I'm Courtney

34:38

round. I made my color.

34:40

Yeah, just godzzy, I'm

34:42

still big Red.

34:45

I sizzle, I scorched, and now I pass

34:47

the torch. The ballance are in and one

34:49

girl has to win Turkey. She's lying

34:52

and now she's in kicking the chorus you're

34:54

taking.

34:58

I'm gonna made rs

35:00

your captains.

35:05

We are the mighty monitors

35:08

were so terrific. It must be guitars.

35:13

Wow, that lived right.

35:16

Anyway? So I saw that, and obviously I was

35:18

radicalized.

35:18

Yeah, how do you know what I mean? Did you just

35:21

see us all chip like?

35:23

It is an iconic opening to a

35:25

movie, iconic that they should teach in school.

35:27

Yeah, yeah, that's

35:30

one million and and I would have liked to

35:32

see that in film school. But you

35:34

know, they got to show. I gotta watch the

35:36

Bicycle Thief, whatever.

35:38

The many times brutiful Laundrette.

35:40

No exactly, thank you, thank

35:43

you anyway, but that but.

35:45

That film you're seeing it in the theaters. You can remember

35:47

saying it saw that.

35:48

I got it. I saw it at home. I believe it was PHS

35:51

and or possibly a DVD. And

35:55

I saw that and I said I have to do this. And

35:57

so that summer I was enrolled in a cheer camp.

36:00

Not being comedy, you're acting, actually cheerleading.

36:02

Actually how you know? It really works?

36:04

It really worked. It is culture that made

36:07

me say life was for me. Yeah, okay,

36:09

I said, I'm going to keep living.

36:10

Actually, now I was like, is

36:13

any is it all the cheerleading or is any

36:15

part of it the tickle which is what I call it when

36:17

you start to feel a little bit LGBTQ.

36:19

Plus well, of course, missy guy,

36:23

I transferred from Los Angeles your school. It's a dynastics

36:25

team.

36:25

This is the last visitor, I mean.

36:27

And by the way, it's like and then like, y'all

36:29

remember stick it.

36:31

I didn't. I never saw a sticket, but I suggest.

36:34

I suggest seeing it. It's really really awesome

36:37

and also very LGBT, of course specifically

36:40

l if you will and I will, you

36:42

know what I mean. So yeah, it definitely

36:44

was, of course, I mean and then like, but I'm a cheerleader

36:46

obviously, like okay, well and I

36:49

saw that when I was already out, but you know, so,

36:52

so yeah, I enrolled in cheer camp and

36:54

then I joined a competitive team that was

36:57

a co ed team in Marina del

36:59

Rey.

36:59

And what age is this? Now?

37:01

This is now I'm kind of blurry

37:03

on my past generally, but this

37:05

is probably nine

37:08

because I've been like from like seven, I was

37:10

like in cheer camp, and then like nine

37:12

to maybe eleven, I was on this one team

37:14

in Marina del Ray and then I switched to an all girls

37:16

gym in Pasadena and

37:19

we competed all over the country and it was

37:21

like wow, yeah competitive, Yes.

37:24

Like y'all were in Yes, yes,

37:26

like you were the Ranchocarnates.

37:28

Even more so, I would say, like even

37:30

more yeah, which

37:33

you know, it is hard to do, especially in LA

37:35

in the LA area, it's more of like the middle

37:38

of the country South type thing.

37:39

You and CD Green need to really connect on this because she has

37:42

done a lot of research on like youth cheers.

37:44

Yes, cheerleading, Yes, yes, that

37:46

is. It's a wild world, wild world.

37:48

And I will say that I credit a

37:51

lot of my determination for perfection and

37:53

hard work to cheerleading.

37:54

Because you know, nothing else was acceptable.

37:56

No, it's hurt, genuinely. It's

37:59

like, do you want to fly? Then you better? You

38:01

better sore for perfection, darling. You know what I mean,

38:03

because I'll knock you back down to backspot in a second.

38:06

You want to stay on the ground, then

38:08

hit the goddamn heill strike.

38:10

I am very afraid.

38:12

I'm giving you one tent right now. I'm

38:14

giving you one ten.

38:15

I believe that you're only give me one ten.

38:18

Looks and you are

38:20

looking at me in my eyes, and I am not

38:23

stepping You know what I mean when

38:25

you say so, did you ever like sort

38:28

of because you are you do have this power.

38:31

Did you rise to the levels of leadership?

38:34

I was captain of the varsity cheer My god,

38:37

this is high school. So then, of course I went to my high school

38:39

career, which was actually quite tragic, because

38:42

you know, I came from this intense world and this

38:44

was such a huge part of my identity. And then in high school,

38:47

you know these girls, you

38:49

know there were a couple of girls. I want to shout out Kayla

38:51

countrymen and how to use the LAC and

38:54

how to use the LAC. They came from competitive cheerleading.

38:56

Kayla came from competitive cheer

38:58

in Central California. Heidi from

39:00

Georgia. And so these girls they were coming

39:03

into JV try out standing tucks, you know what I mean,

39:05

Like they were they were ready to got you.

39:07

You know what I mean, they were ready to go. And the rest of the girls, you

39:10

know, I shouldn't speak, I shouldn't speak out of turn.

39:13

I'm sure they had. You know, Look, it just we were on different

39:15

pages. We were just on different pages.

39:17

No, And that's that's nobody's fault.

39:19

It's nobody's fault.

39:20

It's just how it's what the configuration

39:23

wasn't exactly you.

39:24

Kala and Heidi were coming from yea a

39:26

particular let's say, stocks

39:29

of cheer That's right.

39:30

We were striving for perfection. And the other girls were,

39:32

you know, they were they were on the team.

39:36

Sure. So then when you get to the end of

39:38

high school, is there a moment of torrents

39:40

where you're like, what is my life now?

39:43

So I was used to like very

39:46

intense conditioning, springboard, like

39:48

professional cheerleading equipment, all

39:50

of these things, and I was kind of you

39:53

know, I went from tumbling on like a gymnastics

39:55

floor to grass and track.

39:58

So at football games, we'd be on the track and

40:00

I'd be doing like, you know, seven back handsprings in a row or

40:02

something, and it would be like this thing

40:05

of like I'm kind of it's hard on the

40:07

body. Yeah, And over time

40:10

I gradually lost skill, and I will never forget

40:12

the last time I threw around up by canspring tuck

40:14

and then I got swooped.

40:15

I got scared, and it was like it

40:18

was like this is the last oh

40:20

you felt leave.

40:21

I did a round off by can spring and I

40:23

sprung up to do the tuck and I couldn't,

40:26

Like I genuinely, I genuinely

40:28

could not do the back tuck. And

40:31

it was just like I walked away like it was just

40:33

gone.

40:33

I was.

40:33

I was, yeah, I left me, and she

40:36

was you do.

40:37

You think, in confronting that moment that that was an

40:39

emotional slash mental block or do

40:41

you believe that it was physical and your body was just

40:43

like we have exceeded the

40:46

time where this is like a safe

40:48

thing for us to do.

40:49

It was emotional and mental. Wow. I

40:51

had poured so much time and effort into the

40:54

team into trying to get gym space for the girls

40:56

to tried up their skill, to try to work on. Okay, how

40:58

about everybody goes for a back can spring? We try to make

41:00

that the goal and the whole team can do a standing by can't

41:02

spring? And you know, the amount

41:04

of effort and time and concern I poured

41:06

into the high school team was you

41:09

know, it was a lot. You could call it unhealthy.

41:11

I was very very serious about it, like very serious,

41:14

but I know what I mean.

41:15

Y'all were high school students. You know what I mean.

41:17

It's like this is you don't know what

41:20

how big the vessel is for you to pour all

41:22

your yourself into. And you

41:25

sound like you were a great, great

41:27

captain, Thank you fantastic,

41:30

But well probably.

41:31

Because it was because if you weren't,

41:33

then what you know what I mean? I

41:35

just remember, like I was captain

41:37

on my track team, and I also got to

41:39

like a place where I remember

41:42

it just it became my identity in a way where

41:44

it was like okay. So then at the end of it, when

41:47

you do ultimately decide to walk away the

41:49

breakdown you have, like do you have like a breakdown?

41:52

Because I remember calling my father and

41:54

telling him I had done a week of the track

41:56

team at n y U, and then I was like

41:59

it was became so clear that

42:01

I was meant to pursue other things and actually

42:03

try to become myself and stop

42:05

and track was amazing, but like it was a

42:08

crutch for me to get through high school being good

42:10

at that and having purpose and having authority.

42:12

No one could like check you or fuck with you

42:14

because you were an effective part of something that was

42:17

like accepted in the school as

42:19

being a worthwhile social and physical

42:21

thing. He's on the diversity team, et cetera. And

42:23

when I had to call my father and tell him that I was leaving

42:25

the team, I didn't even know I was going to get

42:28

that upset because it's not just you quitting that, it's

42:30

you quitting this thing that's been

42:33

definitive. Yes, that thing that's

42:35

defined you, that's been most

42:37

associated with you and being productive

42:40

and successful.

42:41

Was your dad, like sports dad at the

42:43

games, like super cheerleader vibes.

42:46

My dad was pretty much

42:48

if he didn't start as the coach of everything I did,

42:50

finish the coach of everything like that. Like

42:53

he I remember, he was very

42:55

unhappy with like the coaching I was getting

42:57

in track and field season wise.

43:00

Cross country wasn't good enough, swinder trap wasn't

43:02

good enough, springtrack wasn't good enough. So he ended

43:04

up learning how to coach it and then was

43:06

the pretty much the best track coach I had ever had.

43:08

Wow. Yeah, okay, so it

43:10

was it was a loss for both of you.

43:12

I mean I don't think so, because he was like, I don't care.

43:14

I just want you to be happy and do something. He

43:17

was like, go right for the school paper or whatever, whatever's

43:19

going to like motivate you. But I didn't get

43:21

that because, like you're saying, it's like it has

43:23

to be this thing that's like because

43:25

I don't know what I even am. Yes, So that's

43:28

why it's frustrating, is because like I don't

43:30

know who I am, and us all being I think closeted

43:32

queer at the time, probably that is extra

43:34

scary because you're like, no, it means something

43:37

like I have to have an identity. If I don't have an identity,

43:40

especially like when you're going to college and we

43:42

went to New York for college where everyone

43:45

knows who they are and everyone knows where they're going, and everyone's

43:47

busy and everyone's plugged in, and suddenly

43:50

you're like, whoa, I'm

43:52

not that and I'm.

43:53

Used to being that.

43:54

Yes, it is a huge identity crisis. And

43:57

it's like you see did y'all watch the Kelsey that

43:59

documentary?

43:59

Kel see the Jason Kelsey Dogs

44:03

Jason.

44:04

It was so cool, it was like this, It felt

44:06

like it will resonate because it like explored

44:09

this thing where like an athlete has to walk away

44:11

from their sport and like because your body

44:13

just whatever, whatever the reason. In my case

44:15

as well, I was also graduating in the college

44:18

that I went to didn't have like their tier team was

44:20

dancers with mom moms. It wasn't actually and

44:23

like for whatever reason, like walking

44:26

away. It is a huge identity crisis and

44:28

it's so devastating and frankly

44:30

not to get dark, but you look at some

44:32

of those episodes of Intervention, a lot of

44:34

them were like I was an athlete and then

44:36

my knee got whatever and then blah blah blah, Like

44:39

it is really like truly

44:41

having your identity be like roped into

44:43

athleticism or any career

44:46

that has like an expiration date on, like

44:48

it's connected to your body in any way, Like

44:50

it's really fucked up. It's really dark.

44:57

At the Culture War because she that

45:01

athletic Anderstry had to go somewhere.

45:02

It's legit. It is so dark and

45:05

real.

45:06

That movie was so much better than.

45:10

I think My Lucky Stars. I found comedy because

45:13

that.

45:13

Yes, when did this come

45:16

in? This came in in college.

45:18

I just was kind of loitering

45:21

and I started talking to a kid who you

45:24

know, was working on like I went to film school, I went to Chatty

45:26

University, I went to Dodge College, and I

45:29

just was talking to this kid. I was appeaying on a film

45:31

set and he was like, you're funny. You should try out for the improv team

45:33

and stuff. I did try out for the improv team,

45:35

and I did do that, and I was really not good at

45:38

it. But I I

45:40

then lost cultures dos Fath.

45:43

Nicole Byer came to

45:45

my college, came to Chapman,

45:47

and she asked if anyone from the improv team wanted to open

45:49

for her, and I volunteered, and that was the first time I did stand.

45:51

Up that allowed

45:54

you to volunteer. Well.

45:55

I loved to stand up so much, and

45:58

I also felt so bad about how bad

46:01

an improv I was because I really was so

46:03

in my head in a way that you cannot be to

46:06

do that.

46:06

Well sure, and and you being someone

46:08

who's a perfectionist, she's like, You're like, I will

46:10

be good at it.

46:11

Yeah, I got it.

46:12

I will not fail.

46:12

Yeah yeah. And just being like I love stand

46:15

up so much. I listened to albums all the time, like

46:18

maybe I could do that, Maybe

46:20

I could try that the way I tried Improvin. So

46:22

I wrote like eight minutes and just

46:25

open for her, and it was like literally

46:27

I never went back. Ah yeah,

46:30

changed everything she made. She made it

46:32

possible for me.

46:33

You you've talked about this before.

46:34

I have told her since I ran into

46:36

her. I was like thank you, and

46:40

she's really she was really sweet about it.

46:42

You know what's so funny, Like not funny, it's

46:44

just like I love that that can then

46:46

be something that you were able to tell her.

46:48

I remember, like years.

46:49

Ago, you know, you remember how Michelle Buteau

46:52

performed our Welcome Week and

46:54

I just remember feeling so wrecked

46:56

because like I had quit that.

46:58

Team and like comedy

47:00

was something I knew I could go to.

47:02

Because everyone's gonna we were all gonna laugh,

47:04

and at least that would be a release and it

47:06

being her like someone who

47:08

I thought was genuinely so funny and like like

47:11

we will all have that cathartic moment. And then to know

47:13

her later and see her get the success that she's had

47:15

obviously Nicole is also huge, yea. But

47:18

to have the outlet for that be

47:20

like you really fucking made

47:22

a difference, Like that's like this

47:25

major.

47:26

Yeah, it's so major, and it's like the

47:28

most I mean, especially to like watch Nicole

47:31

is also sets an example for you, like to continue

47:33

to kind of pay it forward and be like how can I reach

47:36

back and like figure out how to like facilitate

47:38

that for other people the most

47:40

incredible gift and honor to be able to

47:42

do it as well. Truly, my god,

47:45

I love this ship. I love this as

47:48

good as hell.

47:49

Recently, I'm

47:54

sponge the entire time with you?

47:59

Is that?

47:59

Am I using that right? Fun I'm spunge.

48:01

You don't say I am sponge. You can just say sponge

48:04

sponge, but.

48:05

You can say like genuinely like it's like we

48:07

made it up. You know, I am

48:09

Sponge.

48:11

The grammar is very

48:13

Sandy and Hannah, and I know I want to honor that it

48:16

is rocked.

48:18

We're very crop said that.

48:20

But speaking of Sponge, like the bringing on of it all

48:22

like that, especially formatively

48:24

at a time when you're seeing kids like again

48:27

kids they're played by adults, but like you see

48:29

that world of high school. I remember being

48:31

so blown away a that high

48:33

schools could have hallways that were outside

48:37

California must be the promise.

48:38

I was like, what is going on here?

48:41

And all those La high schools were all

48:43

outside hallways like the Cuckoo

48:46

one where She's

48:48

all that, which, by the way, watch that again.

48:51

Easy movies, hold up, Easy School.

48:55

Like all them like, but that was

48:58

wild to watch them and have bit the

49:00

space and how I hot they all were, et cetera.

49:03

I will also point out it opened

49:05

a door to that type of comedy

49:07

for me, yeah and maybe for you too, where it was like,

49:09

well, Kirsten Duns was huge, yeah, and then

49:12

playing on stars all the time was

49:14

bringing on. And then also there was drop dead

49:16

gorgeous and I think that was also

49:18

the that opened the door to like character

49:22

acting for me. I was like, wait, she's in this, and

49:24

she's in this and it's different, and I know her

49:26

from Jumanji. Let me find out everything

49:28

I need to know, Like, do you get

49:30

like whenever you see an actor

49:33

from that movie, whether they're doing a lot or doing a little,

49:35

you must like completely my.

49:36

God, oh my god, oh my god,

49:39

oh my god. I was watching like

49:41

I was in a hotel room. I had a random channel

49:43

on, you guys. I literally

49:45

saw Missy acting in a courtroom

49:48

drama like a couple weeks.

49:50

Ago, Eliza out there. Yeah,

49:52

yeah, like I and I had.

49:53

Not seen her since, and I was

49:56

like, hell, mother fucking yeah, she's

49:58

killing it. She's serious, she's acting, she's

50:00

gorgeous, She's still incredibly

50:02

gorgeous, and she I just was

50:04

like I could not believe it had

50:07

been so long for me personally, you

50:09

know my part. Yeah,

50:13

And it was such a moment, so iconic,

50:17

so iconic. She have an impact the way she did.

50:19

It's like you can never even

50:21

imagine.

50:22

No, you can never can She don't

50:25

watch a true calling.

50:26

She that type of impact doesn't

50:28

even I don't, I can't. Does it exist

50:30

today?

50:31

I don't think it probably, you

50:33

know, I see again, but there's

50:35

something happening with Chapel Roone where

50:38

we called it a while back, And that's not to take

50:41

credit like for us, but it's just like what

50:43

has happened in the past couple of months, and

50:46

I noticed it from I've seen

50:48

her live a few times now, Like over

50:50

the months, it gets more and more intense.

50:53

People are very emotional about it, and

50:56

you get the sense that she really speaks

50:58

to people. I think maybe if it doesn't happened

51:00

in film and TV now, it does happen in a

51:03

time.

51:03

Yeah, the time. That's a good point, YEP.

51:05

I saw one of her concerts in La right

51:07

before she blew up.

51:09

I think I saw you there. I was at the Fonda, wasn't it.

51:11

Yes, Yes, I did see you there, Yes, at

51:13

the Fonda. Yes. It was incredible

51:15

and it was just like you could

51:18

tell by the energy in the room like I was.

51:20

I saw the diehard fans, everybody was kind of dressed

51:22

up, and then I would look at these executives like a bunch

51:24

of people had gone to see her as the last I think it was the last

51:26

job on her tour, and I just was like, Oh, something's

51:29

happening tonight, Like something's happening tonight,

51:31

like she's about to go up and off,

51:34

up and off.

51:35

Up and off.

51:36

I went to both of her Brooklyn and Steel

51:38

nights. I went to it was Your two nights at her first night.

51:40

Was the only time I skipped a Tuesday writing night.

51:42

I didn't skip, I just like took a break because

51:45

talent people at us and now were like, we're going to see Chapel.

51:47

Do you want to come with? I was like I got

51:49

all right, but yeah, yeah.

51:52

I didn't want to be there to like talk to

51:54

them about like what would booking her be

51:57

like, and like not that like again she should do the

51:59

premiere? This is oh absolutely.

52:01

This was not like me being like pressing my thumb on the scale

52:04

being like you should be. I was just me being like, oh, I want

52:06

to see you guys experience her.

52:07

Yeah.

52:08

So I went with them, and during

52:11

casual, I think, m hm, this person

52:13

on the talent team turns to me and great shaker, love

52:16

you.

52:16

She turns to me, she goes she's special.

52:18

She is.

52:18

I was like, yeah, totally. Casual

52:21

is a very special moment.

52:24

When when everyone is actually

52:26

living that like

52:29

and I feel like everyone's

52:31

singing it as if they've gone through the same thing.

52:34

I don't know that.

52:35

I've never been in a relationship like that, but I am

52:37

so fucking angry at the fictional

52:39

person that put me through.

52:42

I am angry. You can go that

52:48

she is doing cathartic pop.

52:51

My kink is karma is cathartic

52:53

fucking pop, and justin tranter, I'm

52:56

pointing at you. But like legend,

52:59

but like much big

53:01

feelings in the music and that good luck

53:03

Babe Bridge.

53:06

I told you so. They don't

53:08

sing like.

53:09

That, They don't sing like that, but she's but then on good

53:11

luck Baby, it's like that's her giving the most

53:13

cape Bush she's ever getten given.

53:15

And then you were saying you saw her live and she

53:17

really did hit that note of coach.

53:18

Her vocals are not alive.

53:19

I mean I left that first concert being like this

53:22

is when I saw the fond of the show we were

53:24

at and tell me if this makes sense, But at the

53:26

time, I said, it's giving Annie Lennox

53:28

meets Kesha.

53:30

Wow, that's that's like the

53:32

only way I can really describe it.

53:33

Like this, like soul f I see that

53:35

pop sound like ethereal, but big

53:38

voice and this idiotic

53:41

sort of like ridiculous,

53:43

like refusal to take herself seriously

53:46

in a way that I loved so much

53:49

because I think it reminded me of like

53:51

being at the beginning.

53:53

When like talk about Union Hall like

53:55

I will always I

53:58

will always cherish those days and

54:00

I still love going, but it's like those were

54:02

good days when like you could fuck up

54:04

and fail and it didn't really matter.

54:06

Yeah, if you guys are around, we're doing

54:08

Sandy and Peter are doing pig at Union

54:10

Hall. Wow,

54:16

we're just gonna be vibing. But this

54:19

is this week, Yeah, thirteen gorgeous,

54:21

but yeah, I feel you. I feel like the

54:23

la version of Union Hall is very much the Virgil

54:26

like the hot tub, hot tub of it all.

54:28

Yeah, I used to do the picture

54:31

of this sure, Like it's it's funny like

54:33

some of the bookers from that

54:35

time are still booking shows and they'll

54:37

email now and I kind of

54:40

say, like, I don't really do that anymore, but they're

54:42

like, hey, and we know you don't really perform

54:44

live anymore.

54:45

But and just seeing that sentence like break

54:48

my heart a little bit, like and I think that truth

54:50

though, well, you know, I

54:54

was that kind of person that was I don't think

54:56

of that. I think it was like really free.

54:58

And then during the beginn in the years of the podcast, I

55:01

was out there all the time, but we did more character

55:03

stuff, Like we were out there like doing character

55:05

driven stuff, and we did a lot of sketch and we took our

55:07

sketch comedy very seriously. But

55:10

then it translated into more individual performance.

55:12

But by that time it kind of didn't really get the chance

55:15

to develop because other things started happening.

55:17

And now to know that I perform live

55:19

for my Christmas shows and try to push everyone to there

55:22

so they can do well. But you

55:24

know, you missed that, you know what I mean, you

55:26

miss being able to go out there and like just

55:29

it you feel easier about it,

55:31

you know, And are.

55:33

You still out there a lot?

55:34

I am, Yeah, that I let the

55:37

success and other things like stop that for me, and

55:39

I envy that about you. You still have the

55:41

raw passion for it and you're able to get out of your way and you're

55:43

like, I'm.

55:43

Going up there.

55:44

Well, I mean, do you feel like that comes

55:47

from a place of like I don't feel the freedom

55:49

to try new stuff. I don't I feel like I have to

55:51

come with a finished product, because I'm going

55:53

to be like evaluated.

55:54

Is that part of the same way as you?

55:56

Yeah, and if I'm not, And.

55:58

I have always been

56:01

way harder on myself than everyone

56:03

else, And I know you know what I'm talking about. And

56:05

I feel like most

56:07

of the time I'll be like, well, I'm not prepared

56:09

to do that, and then I'll go up and do it, and I'll

56:12

understand that I was prepared the.

56:14

Whole time, and I should stop myself.

56:16

So that's just probably a reminder we should always just tell ourselves.

56:18

It's like, you can do what you are prepared. You've worked really

56:20

hard.

56:21

The way that I have tried to like

56:24

foster a space where I can

56:27

do this is by billing it as a new material show

56:29

and being like, oh, this is loose,

56:31

this is open mic vibes like come if

56:33

you want, I should really you

56:36

know what I mean, just like it's a new material show

56:39

and just being like that's the vibe, or like

56:41

literally if you even need to, And I mean

56:43

I do this sometimes and it is kind of a cop out, but

56:46

like I do sometimes go like okay,

56:49

like I earned your trust with those, can I do a new

56:51

thing right now? Yeah, it's like, you know, it's

56:53

like it gives you a little more grace to like try

56:56

it and then you know whatever. So but but yeah,

56:58

I mean, but I just don't want to. I honestly,

57:01

you guys. Guy Bronham, he's

57:03

a writer on Hacks and he was one

57:06

of my first days on set was

57:08

a scene with him where he was like the

57:10

head of the Little Debbi's like Deborah

57:13

fan club outside the pizza shop in season one

57:15

and he said something to me that I never forgot

57:18

and at the time it was so like out I

57:20

couldn't imagine how it could ever become true.

57:22

And then I saw like, oh yeah, I

57:24

could see how this would become true. But he

57:26

said because you know, he's a comic too, and he was

57:29

like, I've seen you, like I appreciate your comedy.

57:31

I really think you're great, and I

57:33

don't want you to stop like you

57:35

are now acting and that is a like,

57:38

you know, that is far more glamorous

57:40

than stand up and I he just was like,

57:43

don't stop, because you're good and it'll

57:46

be really easy to like, you

57:48

know, this isn't a better life,

57:51

Like going on the road is fucked up

57:53

and it's hard no matter what and it's very isolating,

57:55

and you know, you can be lonely, but like, just

57:58

don't like walk away. And he

58:00

said that to me the first day, and

58:03

I at the time, I was like, I love stand up, How could that ever be

58:05

true? And then I started to see, like, yeah, like it is

58:07

fucking really brutal, and it's

58:10

really a hard life, and it's one you know, if you

58:12

can tour and be a headlining comic, that

58:14

is an immense privilege. But you know, on

58:16

a personal level, when you're sitting there looking up at the ceiling

58:18

in the hotel room alone and you're like in a

58:20

town and it's raining and you're just like kind of on your

58:22

own, it's fucking you know, kind of sad. But

58:25

every time I feel that way, I just remember what guy

58:27

said, because like he is someone I look

58:29

up to so much as well, and I'm like, if he's

58:32

telling me that, I needed to hear it, it's a beautiful

58:34

message, Like, and I just I

58:36

don't want a let go of stand up because it's the only thing

58:38

that like I really can do

58:40

on my own and control. Like it really is

58:43

like this beautiful, bountiful

58:46

well of opportunity for me,

58:48

and it always has been, and like I do have

58:51

this like thing of like the comedy gods,

58:53

Like the comedy gods, like if you appease

58:56

them and make this sacrifice and do get

58:58

on the stage, you know they will smile upon

59:00

you. And like I have this like thing that I've always

59:02

kind of had with that, and I feel

59:04

like still I have to like pray at the

59:06

altar of the comedy gods and you know, like

59:09

continue to do that because it's given

59:11

me everything that I have. You know, It's made it all

59:13

possible. So I think that is probably a

59:15

big reason why I have maintained

59:18

like this love for it and doing

59:20

this hour. I was very uninspired

59:23

for like a year before I did the Hour

59:25

because I just was like, I'm ready to put this out,

59:27

but I still need to do it on the road and workshop it and get

59:30

it in final shape. Ye, But I didn't

59:32

feel like I was writing as much

59:34

new material. And the second we locked

59:36

it, like I just felt like new again,

59:38

Like I felt like new possibility. I feel

59:41

like the end of that project made

59:43

it so that I could do fifteen

59:45

minutes on driving. You know, I could

59:47

talk about that, I could really open

59:50

up and I could say like what is the deal with

59:52

stuff?

59:52

Again?

59:53

You know what I mean? And that is really powerful.

59:55

So this is so this is such an

59:57

important Sponge moment.

59:59

This all the way

1:00:01

Sponge, especially to internalizing

1:00:04

a Guy Brandham piece of wisdom is.

1:00:05

Never a bad idea.

1:00:06

One hundred unge ass.

1:00:08

He's we gotta have him back on the pod. You

1:00:20

do get the sense that, like the answer to all

1:00:22

this is to just keep creating. Yeah,

1:00:25

And I am sitting here and I'm like thinking

1:00:27

about how and I'm like I do miss

1:00:29

like not how stupid

1:00:31

I used to be, but how brave I

1:00:34

used to be, you know what I mean. Like it's

1:00:36

like that's that like I'm a little

1:00:38

yeah, you know what I'm saying. You know what I mean,

1:00:41

I totally know what you mean. And I'm about to say

1:00:43

something that's gonna sound so.

1:00:46

Terrible. I feel like I feel

1:00:48

like I was braver before

1:00:51

this podcast, before us and now you.

1:00:54

Know, well, I think like anytime there's eyes

1:00:56

on you, yeah, yeah, of course there's

1:00:59

also that. I remember there came a moment where like

1:01:02

I like went back

1:01:04

on Twitter or something was like like popping

1:01:06

off on Twitter, just like tweeting like I used to

1:01:08

tweet and the amount

1:01:10

of like weird bad faith and

1:01:12

like the weird takes on. It's just like, oh,

1:01:15

this is why I got nervous, and

1:01:17

this is why I'm less brave now, is because

1:01:19

like people aren't as forgiving with like

1:01:21

stupidity, it's harder to get things across. And also

1:01:24

maybe people forgot people that follow me forgot

1:01:26

that I am and this kind of brand

1:01:28

of idiot, you know what I mean. But like like

1:01:31

you're talking about, like in

1:01:33

the beginning, like we would go.

1:01:34

On stage in any old wig and do

1:01:36

any old monologue.

1:01:37

And like let it rip, and like sometimes it would

1:01:39

be sometimes it would be good, sometimes it would be bad.

1:01:41

But we always felt like we were creating after

1:01:44

it and that was never the thing.

1:01:46

Now it feels like creating means like did we sell

1:01:48

a show, did we get did we book

1:01:50

this thing? And that's like that's not creating, that's

1:01:53

not being an artist. And also, like

1:01:55

you know, sometimes with this podcast, I can

1:01:57

feel like we talk about art so much that

1:02:00

that's like you know, why the Cultural Awards

1:02:02

is fun or why this is fun or that's fun, because

1:02:04

like.

1:02:04

That's closer to who we are than

1:02:07

like now. On track six of eternal

1:02:09

sunshine. I thought what she was getting at was

1:02:12

interesting because

1:02:14

we know stuff and

1:02:17

it's just like, where are the where are the fools? Where

1:02:19

are the clouds? Where are the idiots? They're here, They're

1:02:21

within, They're locked up.

1:02:22

They are you, they are you. But I will say

1:02:24

the Culture Awards like that is okay. First of all,

1:02:27

I was there last year, I believe, and

1:02:30

that was Woodstock. Okay, that was literally

1:02:32

I was like, oh, time machine copy that, I'm

1:02:35

in a time machine. I'm now in the past. This is Woodstock.

1:02:37

Literally, this is no

1:02:40

legitimately. I was so like, I

1:02:42

have never seen a better crowd in my

1:02:45

life before or since. Okay,

1:02:48

that was insane. That

1:02:50

was insane. And you guys are like writing that show

1:02:52

in isolation, Like there is something to be said

1:02:55

for that as a skill that you get

1:02:57

to because you threw on the way, because

1:03:00

you took her, because you went down.

1:03:02

Every wig was a.

1:03:07

And that for real, Like

1:03:09

that is real, and that is an incredible

1:03:11

skill to be able to pull off something that is

1:03:13

so air tight with just within like

1:03:16

isolation, and you're not like bouncing it off a

1:03:19

crowd Like that is a beautiful thing and that is

1:03:21

so that is a true deep connection

1:03:23

that y'all still have, like even if you're like, okay,

1:03:25

maybe I'm not doing you know, like I see that as as

1:03:27

something that is so pure.

1:03:28

Still it's just attached to you're always

1:03:30

harder on yourself.

1:03:32

That's what it is like every single week, you

1:03:34

know what I mean, Like you have to you probably

1:03:37

have had to get a little bit better about it about

1:03:40

what about like the amount of self

1:03:42

emolation totally because it's

1:03:44

just like you can't happen week after a week.

1:03:46

No, no, no, And like I would

1:03:48

say, identify I formerly identified

1:03:50

as a perfectionist and have now loosened.

1:03:53

That's identity sense.

1:03:56

Where do you feel like you have landed?

1:03:58

I am going

1:04:01

to get at least five

1:04:04

hours of sleep? Yeah, yeah, yeahs

1:04:07

enough.

1:04:08

I know it's not still it's still about

1:04:10

it's still like a line totally. It's

1:04:12

still something for me to be like all right, time to

1:04:14

put this down.

1:04:15

And you've associated amount of sleep with that

1:04:17

idea of like you beating yourself up

1:04:20

or like wondering what's enough?

1:04:22

Yeah, I think so it's

1:04:25

like it literally should not keep

1:04:27

me up thinking about it, assessing

1:04:30

it in hindsight, like all

1:04:32

of it, like working on it.

1:04:34

I love work. I love the process

1:04:36

capital T, capital P. But I'm like, let's

1:04:39

just set it.

1:04:40

Down and it'll always be better

1:04:42

in the morning, when we have a fresh out of like anytime

1:04:44

you run on Tuesday, it's like, Okay, I don't

1:04:46

know what this is, but let's look at it

1:04:48

in the morning, and it's and then like it's means celestium

1:04:51

like laughing, laughing, laughing, like typing type typing

1:04:53

on zoom, and it's like I love that so much.

1:04:56

But the actual process of being like

1:04:59

a little fair creator, a little fairy creator.

1:05:01

But you know, like.

1:05:03

Especially now, I feel like and I think you guys

1:05:06

probably understand this too, like perfection,

1:05:09

Like perfection is a little overrated.

1:05:12

It's like it's nice when it's it's rough.

1:05:14

You know.

1:05:15

I kind of don't

1:05:18

have that perfectionist

1:05:20

like hindsight when I'm like, oh, that could

1:05:22

have been better, that kind of better anymore, because I'm just like, no, I kind of like

1:05:24

that, especially on us. And now it's like it's nice

1:05:26

that there's this like weird sort

1:05:28

of error

1:05:31

and stimulus in the way that it is like made,

1:05:33

in the way that it's performed. It's like this is so unpolished

1:05:36

because there is no other way to polish this,

1:05:38

there is no time to polish this, and so therefore this

1:05:41

is what you get, and here it is, here's

1:05:43

your product.

1:05:45

I enjoy.

1:05:45

I wish everyone could see what I saw,

1:05:48

because I cannot overstate how going

1:05:50

to the show just the

1:05:53

weight of this thing. It like it

1:05:55

just took like my understanding of it to a

1:05:57

whole new level, and I like I

1:06:00

wish everyone knew, and in some small ways through

1:06:02

listening to this podcast, I feel like people get a look

1:06:04

into it, but like to be able to see

1:06:06

the inner workings of this.

1:06:08

It's so hard, it's amazing what

1:06:11

we do is like it's just purely emotional,

1:06:14

I.

1:06:14

Think, I mean, just the

1:06:16

demand, Like sure,

1:06:19

you know, like the demand and the pace

1:06:21

and it's exciting and it's incredible,

1:06:23

but it's just like I go, yeah,

1:06:26

I am. It puts into context how much

1:06:28

of a mere mortal I am and how much like you guys

1:06:30

are operating on such a higher

1:06:33

level.

1:06:35

That's nice.

1:06:35

I feel like we're all like we're all

1:06:37

on the same level here of like we

1:06:40

get emotional about the things that we make, and so

1:06:43

therefore, like no matter what.

1:06:44

No matter what the context is. Yeah, of course

1:06:47

it is.

1:06:48

I'm just sitting here thinking like there's some confronting

1:06:51

going on, like of self, and I'm like, that's

1:06:53

probably why I've done that same fucking Christmas show

1:06:55

for six years.

1:06:56

Not that it's like not that it's like the same. It changes

1:06:58

every year and I get better every year.

1:07:00

But now I'm fully like Matt Rogers, if

1:07:03

you don't write a new show, if

1:07:05

you don't write a new material, I am

1:07:08

disappointed in you. Like I will be

1:07:10

disappointed in myself if I don't create

1:07:12

something new, because I have and it's

1:07:14

almost like comical now. And that's part of what makes

1:07:16

that idea funny to me, is like it comes back every year

1:07:18

like Christmas. But I'm like, stop using it as

1:07:21

a.

1:07:21

Crutch, you know what I mean. That's like me genuinely

1:07:23

telling myself.

1:07:24

Like these things you

1:07:26

have to stop using them as crutches, and

1:07:28

like, I don't know, it's just we needed

1:07:31

we needed sponge today, we need

1:07:33

I needed to tell myself that anyway we

1:07:36

need it, just like we all at this point in our careers

1:07:38

and in our lives, like we're so lucky

1:07:40

to even have retrospect, but

1:07:42

you do have to force yourself to change because

1:07:44

it's that comfort in like the quote unquote success

1:07:47

that can get you to a certain place,

1:07:49

like you know what I mean, Like you blessedly

1:07:51

won't be at SNL forever one day,

1:07:54

like you know you'll have another role

1:07:56

that is different from hacks,

1:07:58

Like if I I'm any

1:08:01

good at what I do, write something new at some point,

1:08:03

you know what I mean, Like and but there

1:08:05

it is nice to get to that point totally,

1:08:07

Like it almost feels like no, not everyone

1:08:10

like gets to say, like what's the next act

1:08:12

going to be?

1:08:13

Ye, like it's a really exciting

1:08:15

thing it.

1:08:16

Is, and reframing it as exciting and

1:08:18

it's not like it's not a negative judgment

1:08:20

on you if you don't do it. It's more so like

1:08:22

I can do it, and I'm excited to do it,

1:08:25

and like I and the audience deserve

1:08:27

more and I deserve to feel connected,

1:08:30

you know that spark when something's new. There's nothing like

1:08:32

it, Like you deserve to feel that feeling,

1:08:34

Like we all as artists crave

1:08:37

that feeling. And it's like when it

1:08:39

comes from you a gifted artisan,

1:08:41

like you're operating on a higher level as

1:08:43

well, like by virtue of like the things

1:08:46

that you have done and who you are as an artist,

1:08:48

Like that is exciting, and we

1:08:50

all want to feel that. I watching

1:08:52

you want to feel that, and I want to watch you feel

1:08:54

that, you know what I mean. I like to watch you

1:08:57

know what I'm saying.

1:08:58

This is another reason why though, that like the

1:09:01

older generation of comedian is like it bumms

1:09:03

me out so much. Is because it's like, I know, when

1:09:05

they say shit like that, it does get in people's

1:09:08

heads a little bit, like when the industry constantly

1:09:10

tells you like, oh, we don't want this type of show, or

1:09:12

like this type of thing isn't working right now,

1:09:14

especially like as it's getting worse and worse, like and

1:09:17

harder and harder for like marginalized voices.

1:09:19

Again, you know, we're officially you know, it's

1:09:21

not like twenty fourteen anymore where they're like,

1:09:23

what's the what's the deal with this queer thing?

1:09:26

You know what I mean. It's like it's kind of more difficult

1:09:28

again.

1:09:29

That is something I resent, you know what I mean, because

1:09:31

yeah, it is in response

1:09:34

to like these uninformed opinions.

1:09:35

Yeah they're shouting us down, Yeah, you know what I mean.

1:09:38

And that feels like so opposite of

1:09:40

the spirit that I know uplifted our

1:09:42

entire peer group and like it that

1:09:44

I guess does piss me off that it's like you're

1:09:47

trying to make us afraid to do what we

1:09:49

do because you're trying to tell us, as an

1:09:51

authority figure that you know better and

1:09:53

that you see the future. But you don't see

1:09:55

the future. You can't even participate in the present.

1:09:58

So why should the function I listen to you about

1:10:00

what the future is or like what the past

1:10:03

even was. You had you perspective

1:10:05

on that too, So like, why

1:10:07

are you trying to make it an uncomfortable,

1:10:10

scary atmosphere.

1:10:11

New John Waters Coaches dropped in an interview, and

1:10:15

this supplies to us, me and you once

1:10:18

you turn third, each shut up just to just stop

1:10:20

talking.

1:10:22

Actually major, Well, I'm

1:10:24

twenty nine, so I have one.

1:10:25

Yeah, it was a bit

1:10:27

more time. You got about a year.

1:10:29

If anyone's favorously, Oh my.

1:10:31

God, that was so awesome. It was

1:10:33

in that chair.

1:10:35

She was in that chair when she rocked the

1:10:37

world.

1:10:37

That was crazy.

1:10:39

Did definitely get in the head that went hard.

1:10:41

Yeah, but she she's the smartest, she's like, so

1:10:43

it's just like it is what

1:10:46

it is.

1:10:56

Well, it's not every

1:10:58

time. I don't think so, Honey.

1:11:00

Just sort of that one minute segment bo when you

1:11:02

say or you rant and rave against

1:11:04

something in pop culture, that definitely

1:11:07

make a noise. Okay, So

1:11:09

I have something and it's sort of it's sort of

1:11:11

a sequel to one that I did

1:11:13

a while back. It's even the same words, but it's

1:11:15

different content.

1:11:16

Oh that's interesting. Yeah, yeah,

1:11:19

Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, Honey's time starts

1:11:21

now once again.

1:11:22

I don't think so, Honey. Ben Affleck and Jennifer

1:11:24

Lopez critics. Do you think that they wanted

1:11:27

this? Do you think that they wanted to get back

1:11:29

together and then have it dissolve in this way? Guys,

1:11:31

please, they are both trying the best they can. Maybe

1:11:34

they don't even know how to try the best they can, but

1:11:36

they're definitely trying. I

1:11:38

have to say, like the amount of attention they get,

1:11:40

of course, it's their responsibility a little bit,

1:11:42

like they you know, it's not like they they don't

1:11:45

traffic in it a little bit. But this can't

1:11:47

be what they wanted, and so don't

1:11:49

pile on the people. You know what I mean they want

1:11:51

to be happy, just like everyone else. We all saw the

1:11:54

movie, and by we all, I mean however

1:11:57

many people out there that actually streamed it like we

1:11:59

did, but we can in the culture.

1:12:00

And I don't think there was like a

1:12:03

false bone in that.

1:12:04

I think she really genuinely thinks

1:12:06

this is all the things that we're gonna make her happy,

1:12:08

and it didn't work out.

1:12:09

So don't punch the woman when she's down.

1:12:11

She had to cancel the goddamn tour, Like do

1:12:14

you know it's so it's that

1:12:16

that was the last resort canceling the

1:12:18

tour, Like just leave j Lo,

1:12:21

b and Ben. I let him get his dunkin

1:12:23

Donuts and peace. Clearly the man is like just

1:12:25

wants his dunkin Donuts, you know what I'm saying. So

1:12:28

I say, swiped a card. I'm sure he's got,

1:12:30

like, you know, a certain card there that gets like VIP

1:12:33

status. Swipe the card, Ben and Jlo

1:12:35

You're gonna be okay, just take a break and that's one minute.

1:12:39

Yeah, Jayla's going through it right

1:12:41

now. In every way.

1:12:42

I just people treat their

1:12:45

I.

1:12:47

Like you.

1:12:48

They're not zoo animals, guys and

1:12:52

kids and yaff like we not so

1:12:55

crazy.

1:12:55

It's just like that.

1:12:56

And I remember, I remember I said years ago, I don't

1:12:58

think Santy ben afflegain Jaylo critics let

1:13:00

her get her best nut. I feel

1:13:03

like she really she followed her heart

1:13:05

back to her best nut. And how can

1:13:07

you blame her for doing that?

1:13:09

You know what I mean?

1:13:09

Like in times of struggle, we sometimes

1:13:12

will just go back to our best nut and

1:13:14

it's a reminder. And maybe she didn't

1:13:17

have the person a reminder, but don't just go

1:13:19

back to your best nut, because the

1:13:22

best nut is a nut that stopped for a reason,

1:13:24

you know what I'm saying. Yea yeah, And it's like this actually

1:13:27

can be a great reminder to everyone, Like just

1:13:29

because it was your best nut does not mean that it's gonna

1:13:31

be the nut.

1:13:33

It can't be the final that but you can't.

1:13:36

Jlo will not sponge that because

1:13:39

she doesn't want to, because she's like, is a nan

1:13:42

it's romantic.

1:13:44

She wants that fantasy, I know,

1:13:47

And I wonder when she'll realize that the fantasy

1:13:49

is not something that can ever be

1:13:52

real.

1:13:52

But it's like, wow, she figures it

1:13:54

out, you can't like.

1:13:56

And I also wonder, like how much of it is them

1:13:59

like being photographed without the ring and like

1:14:01

trafficking, and that's sort of like two thousands

1:14:03

paparazzi mentality that maybe some.

1:14:05

People think is still a thing to engage in.

1:14:07

But I'm like, the whole thing is exhausting

1:14:10

and also like we don't need the narrative,

1:14:12

the press narrative again, like

1:14:14

and like the whole thing

1:14:17

is just like I really thought they

1:14:19

wouldn't break up, and.

1:14:20

Now that they are, I'm like, oh no, we all got

1:14:22

it. We all got it, We all got everybody.

1:14:27

But that was exciting in the beginning, wasn't That

1:14:30

was really fun for us.

1:14:31

Because it made you believe that it could happen again.

1:14:33

I remember I even said on this podcast, like that really

1:14:36

fucked me up, knowing that they found each other again.

1:14:38

And Bowen Yang was like, well, and

1:14:41

now we found out where the le divorce.

1:14:45

All we can say is that we

1:14:47

hope Jennifer Gardner is doing well and

1:14:49

protecting her peace.

1:14:52

Probably doing good, I know, but she's

1:14:54

I I do want to She's in.

1:14:56

The garden, she's overalls,

1:14:59

dirt on the overalls.

1:15:00

Yeah, but like she must not be feeling great things

1:15:02

either. She must feel so complicated about

1:15:04

all of that.

1:15:05

Father were kids, Yeah, what are they

1:15:07

going through?

1:15:07

You know, my god, it touches everybody.

1:15:09

You know. You mentioned Jennifer Garner in the Garden. Have you

1:15:11

ever noticed that Jennifer Garner does a lot of

1:15:14

movies where like her kids are plants or her

1:15:16

plants are kids, Like a lot

1:15:18

of times, Like she definitely did a movie

1:15:20

where her kid was a plant and then like she was upset

1:15:22

when the plant died because it was her kid, and

1:15:24

it's like, well, you know, the kid is a plant.

1:15:27

I think it was The Odd Life of Timothy Green.

1:15:30

Just feel like often times Jennifer

1:15:33

Garner is in a film where her kids are in mortal

1:15:35

peril or dead already or like gonna

1:15:37

die because they're.

1:15:38

A plant, and it's gay love Simon.

1:15:40

Yeah, So that's what I'm saying,

1:15:42

Like kid and emotional. You can breathe now, Simon.

1:15:45

Like she clearly is someone whose heart

1:15:47

is like touch that by

1:15:50

like I want to do a movie about the power of like

1:15:52

me protecting my kids, love for my kids. So

1:15:55

at least that you know what I mean, Their mom is

1:15:57

rock solid. Daddy

1:16:00

and stepmom figure it

1:16:02

out right.

1:16:03

But she she has been she has seen

1:16:06

every angle of motherhood. Yes, and

1:16:09

she knows how to direct

1:16:11

that in the best way for her children to it.

1:16:13

From both sides.

1:16:14

Now you ready bowen,

1:16:16

Jevin. I don't think so wanted to do well, this

1:16:18

is good, this is bangs.

1:16:20

I don't think so. Twenty time starts now.

1:16:22

I don't think so money packing shoes in

1:16:24

luggage. It's taken up two

1:16:26

thirds of my space all of a sudden, for

1:16:29

one hair.

1:16:30

One hair.

1:16:32

And the best I can do to stuff into that

1:16:34

shoe is maybe a pill case, maybe

1:16:37

a glass's case, maybe a

1:16:39

toothbrush if it's being covered. But

1:16:42

shoes in suit We have to think of a better

1:16:44

way to travel with shoes because they the

1:16:46

footprint literally is too big.

1:16:49

It's too big in the suitcase. And I

1:16:51

don't that means I do not pack

1:16:54

my portable steamer.

1:16:55

Oh, Hannah's got a stomper, and I

1:16:58

bet you didn't love solving me that A little puzzle

1:17:00

in your away bag maybe whatever

1:17:03

whatever your luggage is. I just think

1:17:05

we need to I can't believe technology

1:17:08

is not advanced enough to solve

1:17:10

for this. I don't know what we

1:17:12

have to do. There's certainly no political section

1:17:15

to this. I'm not confident or hopeful

1:17:17

in a technological one. So I think we just need

1:17:19

to invent something that's smaller than shoes, but we can wear

1:17:21

on our feet.

1:17:21

And that's a minute. Like, I guess we're gonna have to figure out how to fold

1:17:24

up a shoe.

1:17:25

We need a foldable shoe also because they

1:17:27

are the last thing you think to put in the bag, because

1:17:29

you're like, oh, I need my sweatshirts, my socks,

1:17:31

my underwear and my this, and then you're like, oh god,

1:17:35

because then you know, it is always an acrimonious

1:17:37

between like the dob kit and the

1:17:39

shoes. Oh know what I mean, they're fighting

1:17:42

the fighting, they're fighting for time. The

1:17:46

piece of the pie is.

1:17:48

That's all right, So how

1:17:51

did it go? Were you able to get everything

1:17:53

back? Well?

1:17:54

I have to say all

1:17:56

I had were white sneakers

1:17:59

play and white sneakers for Fire Island, and these

1:18:02

black I'll say, like loafers.

1:18:05

Yeah, but you wore some pretty sick loafers

1:18:07

on the island. But that's not the ideal

1:18:09

shoe situation. Period. No

1:18:12

matter where you go, you want, you want at

1:18:14

least three pairs of shoes with you, don't

1:18:16

You I do.

1:18:17

And and this is you're not checking, You're

1:18:20

you're on a faery. How do you get the fire on take?

1:18:23

You gotta take a fer So, so what if it is

1:18:25

the like the zipper bag that

1:18:27

goes over the handle of the

1:18:29

luggage, and that's just shoe bag, it's

1:18:32

shoe toiletry bag. Interesting, it's

1:18:34

a secondary bag. That's my only that's

1:18:36

my first thought.

1:18:37

Thank you and thank you and thank you for like thinking of

1:18:40

of that. I think we should all meet

1:18:44

at some point NASA

1:18:47

at NASA to figure out a foldable off

1:18:49

the guys, girls, guys and girls.

1:18:51

And whoever is working there. We're

1:18:54

coming down.

1:18:55

The worst is when you have tried

1:18:58

to figure out and and finally figuregued it out

1:19:00

like a spot for that like third pair of shoes,

1:19:03

and then they never get worn on the trip, and

1:19:05

then you're like, oh god, like, do you remember

1:19:07

those blue loafers I wanted to wear?

1:19:09

You didn't wear them?

1:19:10

No, Because I actually, like I was

1:19:12

excited about the blue loafers that I honestly

1:19:14

forgot I had. They were in the back of my closet. They're cute,

1:19:17

and then I just didn't have an

1:19:19

outfit that they would go with, which I didn't think when

1:19:21

I was packing up. I just thought, Wow, my loafers

1:19:24

fit, and I didn't look at the corresponding

1:19:26

closed to see if anything would make sense. And

1:19:29

then I go to Bowen Yang, who I trust very

1:19:31

much sartorially, and I look at

1:19:33

him and I say, do these loafers

1:19:35

work or are they too much? And to his

1:19:38

credit, he really tried. He looked

1:19:40

at me and he was like yeah, and

1:19:43

then he goes, maybe too much, and

1:19:45

I was like too much? And they never got worn,

1:19:48

right, But.

1:19:48

You packed them and you

1:19:50

did not pack to coordinate with the shoe because

1:19:53

you were so worked up and amazed.

1:19:56

But you were so amazed the shoes literally

1:19:59

fit. And so that is

1:20:01

the wind. That is the victory.

1:20:03

I don't have to think of anything else.

1:20:05

Yeah, right, I have started to do the like

1:20:07

fitting before the packing. Where I'm going, I'm

1:20:09

creating outfits, I mean, and that's the

1:20:11

luxury of time, of course, but if you can get if

1:20:13

you can work that in, that's just going. Here

1:20:16

is the pant, Here is the shoe. These are the shirts,

1:20:19

right, These are the shirts, and so that

1:20:21

kind of consolidates and it's like it's

1:20:23

two shoes. This is the one I'm wearing on the planet's

1:20:25

bulkier. The other one goes, you

1:20:28

know, in the suitcase. That's that's how I've been been

1:20:30

doing it.

1:20:31

I mean, you're an expert at this point. You've been on the

1:20:33

road.

1:20:33

Look, you know, folks, I'm going really

1:20:35

small bag on the road. Okay, you got to have economy

1:20:38

going on.

1:20:38

You're usually not checking, never,

1:20:41

never checking. Well, because it's adds so much time,

1:20:44

so much time.

1:20:45

I'm flying the day of the first show. Yeah,

1:20:48

I'm in, I'm out.

1:20:50

Period.

1:20:50

I also feel like we need to stop the culture

1:20:53

of going at putting an outfit together.

1:20:55

Shirts forward, pants, well, start

1:20:57

from the pants, Start from the pants, or start from the shoe.

1:21:00

That could be a moment and a half, ground up ground

1:21:03

speaking of them, But isn't it tragic that you might

1:21:05

be limited to two shoe options in

1:21:07

a given trip, That's all I'm saying. And

1:21:10

then here I am with a third pair

1:21:12

that are perfectly lay but I just

1:21:14

didn't have anywhere to wear them.

1:21:15

Ah, it's brutal.

1:21:17

It's brutal. It was brutal. What a brutal

1:21:19

trip.

1:21:20

That was a moment and a half. This is going to be a minute

1:21:22

and no half. This is a minute,

1:21:25

which is I don't think so, honey, this is your sort

1:21:27

of moment. Are you ready for this? I have

1:21:29

to be ready and that's actually dead ass.

1:21:32

Yeah, cyana Einbinders, I don't think so, honey.

1:21:34

Time starts now.

1:21:35

I don't think so, honey. Stubbing my toe,

1:21:37

Oh no, that hurts you, guys,

1:21:40

I'm going ouch, that's what I'm saying.

1:21:42

I'm saying ouch. I'm screaming in pain. So you're

1:21:44

telling me, I'm on my way somewhere, I'm trying to

1:21:46

get something. I'm actually typically in a rush,

1:21:49

and I'm stubbing my toe and nothing's ever hurt

1:21:51

more. I've broken bones, I've broken bones.

1:21:53

I'm fallen from heights. You guys know my past. I explored

1:21:55

that very extensively on this podcast episodes.

1:21:57

I've fallen from heights. I know pain, and no pain

1:22:00

is more severe than the ancestral

1:22:02

pain that rages through the foot when you stub

1:22:05

the toe. I don't think so, honey.

1:22:08

Stubbing your toe on the side of the

1:22:10

thing that's never been sharper shut? What

1:22:12

is up with the sharp stuff around me? I'm

1:22:14

stubbing my goddamn toe and the big

1:22:17

toe. I'm not walking around if

1:22:19

I lose access to that. It doesn't stop

1:22:21

hurting, It doesn't alleviate the pain.

1:22:24

The pain is persistent. And I'm just supposed

1:22:26

to keep walking around here. But I

1:22:28

can't. I can't live in this world. I

1:22:30

don't want to live in the world where I'm stubbing toes

1:22:33

all the time. I don't think so, honey,

1:22:35

stubbing your toe and that's it.

1:22:37

And I think we all felt that like energetically,

1:22:40

and we also all felt that physically because at

1:22:42

one point, but what just goes?

1:22:44

Oh? And I could tell it was because he was having

1:22:46

a flash. I had sensed memory flashback.

1:22:48

But why does it hurt like that? Well? Anytime

1:22:51

I stub my toe?

1:22:52

You know what I first thought is, if I'm

1:22:54

in any sort of physical accident that hurts

1:22:56

any other part of my body, I will

1:22:58

perish. I will pair it my body

1:23:02

well, will will not know how to process it. That

1:23:04

it is the deepest pain anyone's ever felt

1:23:07

when I stiffed my toe. Yes, and I

1:23:09

get it makes me And as you were saying this,

1:23:12

I how twisted is it

1:23:14

that my thought was, well, we should eliminate

1:23:16

corners.

1:23:18

I almost thought, touching to you, you should baby proof

1:23:20

your house if you're that concerned.

1:23:23

And then down the road it's already done if you ever want to have

1:23:25

kids, like, it's already babyproofd

1:23:27

I baby proofed it for myself because I

1:23:29

remember that's what it was like.

1:23:31

It's you know what it is.

1:23:32

It's from like the paper cut school of senseless,

1:23:36

worthless pain. It's just like why,

1:23:38

it's so stupid. It's not even like, it's not

1:23:40

even like, yes, one time I was in an accident

1:23:43

and as a result I learned something. It's

1:23:45

like, no, I got a paper cut. Now I'm in pain

1:23:47

for a stupid reason because I'm so dumb. I could

1:23:49

barely hold paper.

1:23:50

I was so it was it was such a such

1:23:52

a page turner that I'm slicing my fing

1:23:55

the weakest substance a piece

1:23:57

of paper. That's the most bullshit thing in rock

1:23:59

paper scissors, and now bleeding.

1:24:00

It's like, come on, not for nothing

1:24:03

but your toe, something you barely

1:24:05

need. Is getting careful

1:24:08

now what I mean? Some

1:24:10

people need their toes, you.

1:24:11

Cind, I mean, isn't there that right

1:24:14

you? I don't want to speak out a turn you

1:24:16

might need you might need them. It's just

1:24:18

like you could walk in It's like if you lose the

1:24:21

you know, it could impair balance.

1:24:24

When I had athletes foot, I wanted

1:24:26

to cut my foot off. No, I

1:24:29

had athletes foot so bad. I heard

1:24:32

I thank you that I

1:24:34

wanted to cut off my foot. I felt like that would be

1:24:36

preferable. You remember what it's like to have an injury

1:24:38

from from the billion back in the day. You ever get like ten

1:24:41

iish or something. My god, I had got so

1:24:43

bad one time, I was like, take my leg, take

1:24:46

it out, take it off, pay gato. I

1:24:48

would rather not have this part of my body than

1:24:50

experience the paint. And when you stub your toe.

1:24:52

Oh, I've broken toes, it's the same feeling.

1:24:54

Are you broken fingers? Oh yeah, how

1:24:57

many breaks I've broken fingers.

1:24:59

I've broken this elbow.

1:25:01

I broke several toes, and

1:25:05

it's the same feeling.

1:25:07

You're so. I've broken this arm twice in

1:25:09

my childhood. Same pain.

1:25:10

It's the same pain, you guys. I can't

1:25:13

even say, there's nothing worse than what that

1:25:15

is.

1:25:16

Broke, nothing worse.

1:25:18

I'm just scared because you just said I've

1:25:20

broken bones, eye, broken bones, and now I have

1:25:22

to say out loud, I've never broken a bone, and

1:25:24

that is something you never.

1:25:25

Said because my side and I'm gonna

1:25:27

get hit no butt, it's gonna

1:25:29

hurt just as bad as you.

1:25:33

You don't know what. You can't

1:25:35

do it.

1:25:35

Don't do it, don't do it.

1:25:37

You've gone this long, You're not gonna can I just

1:25:39

say on the paper cut note, on the paper

1:25:41

cut note. This is the only

1:25:43

time you'll catch me saying thank God for

1:25:46

screens. I don't

1:25:48

miss the stuff. I don't miss the sheets. Oh

1:25:50

ship, keep the rings at home. Wait the

1:25:52

screen like.

1:25:54

Like screen prefer like like like phone.

1:25:58

I'm sorry, should clarify. I thought

1:26:01

you meant like a screen door. No, I'm saying

1:26:03

like digital everything. Well, you've

1:26:05

blessed you these horror stories. Get

1:26:07

the documents away.

1:26:08

Yeah, well, you've heard these horror stories about people

1:26:11

just walking into glass doors. You've

1:26:13

heard the horror stories. There are so many

1:26:15

people out there, that's an epidemic. Some

1:26:18

people are so good at cleaning their windows and doors

1:26:20

that you cannot see them from being seen

1:26:22

through. So you'll go right into your flocko

1:26:26

whatever that the owl

1:26:28

flock of the owl who died by crashing

1:26:30

into a building a glass.

1:26:32

A terrible story, so sad.

1:26:34

But birds everywhere are doing this, crashing

1:26:37

into buildings. It's so terrible.

1:26:39

Have you ever really been there when a bird hit

1:26:41

a window? No, I don't want to think about it.

1:26:43

Oh my god, I can't.

1:26:44

Well, we were talking the other day about how birds are so amazing.

1:26:47

Oh my god. Crows please, crows,

1:26:50

crows love them. Crows are highly

1:26:52

intelligent, highly intelligent they

1:26:54

are. They can remember faces, they can do

1:26:57

tasks. No, crow

1:27:01

are crazy.

1:27:02

I have a joke.

1:27:03

Go ahead.

1:27:04

What do you call it?

1:27:04

When a crow tries to throw a

1:27:06

party but no one comes? An

1:27:09

attempted murder?

1:27:13

It's really good?

1:27:16

Is that good? Hey? Hey?

1:27:19

Hey? I was cinderellas?

1:27:21

How bad? It's sports? Why runs

1:27:24

from the ball?

1:27:28

Yo?

1:27:28

I want like that kind of that

1:27:31

needs to make a comeback, that kind of

1:27:33

set up punchline, lappy tappy ship?

1:27:35

Yes, what here

1:27:37

we go?

1:27:38

Is a pirate's favorite letter R?

1:27:40

You'd think it be R, but tis the C

1:27:43

that he loves.

1:27:46

That was elect.

1:27:50

Special.

1:27:52

That's my opener with the murder

1:27:54

joke.

1:27:55

Could never know she could have?

1:27:57

Wouldn't letter.

1:28:00

Is in charge? Well?

1:28:02

This has just been joyful, triumphant.

1:28:05

In the words of a Christmas song, You.

1:28:11

Guys, thank you really truly for having

1:28:13

me. I'm so number

1:28:16

one fan vibes, and this is so

1:28:19

genuinely the true gift of

1:28:21

my life.

1:28:22

You are the true GT. Thank you God.

1:28:25

So awesome fucking thing special,

1:28:29

the show, the many

1:28:31

things, the abundance of

1:28:33

Hannah.

1:28:34

Yeah, I just remember, like I'm

1:28:36

excited for you and happy for you, and I understand why

1:28:38

you're here worth emotion because like it

1:28:41

is like sharing a piece of yourself with everybody

1:28:43

when you release that special. If you ever get lucky enough

1:28:45

to do that, I'm sure you will, like whenever you

1:28:47

really put something into an hour and

1:28:49

then give it to people. So I hope you enjoy

1:28:52

it, and I hope it's like a really beautiful the

1:28:54

premierees night. We're gonna go, and I hope it's a beautiful

1:28:56

night, and I hope that you can work

1:28:59

on in the next few hours. Uh, taking

1:29:01

all that love and just being like I'm gonna

1:29:03

hold it because you deserved it.

1:29:05

Well. When I hear it from the two of you and I look

1:29:07

in your eyes, I feel it.

1:29:12

We must have fun.

1:29:15

Because the title episod would be Sponge maybe

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Sponge. We end every

1:29:20

episode with a song, Oh

1:29:23

my god, this is perfect because what were we watching

1:29:25

in cherry Grill the other night last night?

1:29:28

Who lives in a pineapple under the SpongeBob

1:29:31

square bats.

1:29:32

And yellow porns? Disease, SpongeBob

1:29:34

square Bags. I'll know that there's something

1:29:36

you went touch bare.

1:29:40

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square Bet, suge Bob square

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bets, Sungebob square Bets,

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1:29:51

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1:29:53

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1:29:55

was that such emotional note? If you see those

1:29:57

sheet music, that is an emotion.

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