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estas? Here's a great

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show from the archives. That

1:02

was always like his dance. Like,

1:04

look at him. This

1:08

was in October of

1:10

2017. This

1:12

is Dari Lugones. Latino USA producer

1:15

Maggie Freeling is with her in her

1:17

living room in Brownsville. One of

1:19

the poorest neighborhoods in New York City. It's

1:22

the summer, and they're sitting on the couch.

1:24

In front of them, a large fan is buzzing, and

1:27

water is puddling under a dripping clothes line

1:29

strung across the room. It's

1:32

11 a.m., and Dari is half asleep in a

1:34

robe and underwear. She rubs

1:36

her eyes as she talks about her

1:38

younger brother, Edward. Oh, look,

1:40

I found one of his rapping things. So I

1:43

can show you his music. Okay.

1:45

I call himself Blue Curves. See how talented he is? See

1:47

what I'm saying? That's the way he is. And this is his

1:49

inspiration, the roosie. Like, he just... I can't

1:51

even listen to that man no more because... It's

2:00

just like I get sad and it reminds me of

2:02

him so much. He's

2:06

like, when I get older, I'm gonna be worked with him. And

2:10

then, yeah. You

2:14

don't find him here in the living room no more, rapping,

2:16

writing his rhymes and all of that. That's weird.

2:18

Like, you know, all I see is a ghost

2:20

now when I come to the living room or

2:23

to the kitchen. It's just so, so

2:25

empty without him here. It's just, this

2:27

house is not the same. I'm

2:31

very attached to him. Like, he's

2:33

very, I don't care what we went through, how

2:35

many downfalls he has. I mean, at the end of the

2:38

day, not only because he's my brother, but in

2:40

the house, I was my best friend. The

2:44

oldest girl and oldest boy of

2:46

six kids were very close until

2:49

a year ago when Edward was 18 years old.

2:57

Court records show that on January 3rd of

2:59

2018, Edward Cordero was on a busy subway

3:01

platform in Brooklyn. 65-year-old

3:04

Jacinto Suarez was also there waiting

3:06

for the train. According

3:14

to witnesses and Edward's own statement to the police,

3:17

Edward was talking about God, spirits, and the world.

3:21

Spirits and the devil. And

3:23

he believed Suarez was the devil. At

3:26

2.25 p.m., Edward punched

3:28

Suarez from behind, causing him

3:31

to fall onto the train tracks. Suarez

3:33

suffered a heart attack and died. A

3:38

New York Daily News video captured

3:40

Edward moments after his arrest. Who

3:47

died, he says. He

3:52

keeps saying, like, what did I do? Like,

3:54

they keep telling me that I killed a

3:56

man, but I don't remember. What

3:58

happened on that subway platform? platform is tragic

4:01

and it's extremely rare. Studies show

4:03

that most people with mental illness

4:05

are not violent. But

4:08

the subway attack is also emblematic of

4:10

something far too common in New York

4:12

City and beyond. Serious

4:14

mental illness that goes untreated.

4:18

Edward's sister Dari says he

4:20

was diagnosed with schizophrenia and

4:22

bipolar disorder and although we

4:24

can't independently confirm that, she

4:26

says he was in and out of hospitals

4:28

and on and off medication for years. She

4:31

told us that at the time of the subway

4:33

attack, he had recently been released from a hospital

4:36

and may have gone off his medication. He was

4:38

like Dari, that wasn't mean, like that was not

4:40

mean, like I thought that was a double and

4:42

that's why I punched him the way I did.

4:47

Edward is now in jail at Rikers

4:50

Island, a waiting trial and

4:52

while his name is no longer in the headlines,

4:55

his case points to the challenges of

4:57

treating people with serious mental

4:59

illness. So

5:05

to the media and PRX, it's Latino

5:07

USA. I'm Maria Inojosa. Today

5:10

we look at how and why

5:12

someone like Edward Cordero falls through

5:14

the cracks of the mental health

5:16

system. Let

5:23

me know USA producer Maggie Freeling is going to take

5:25

it from here. Edward's

5:28

case is complicated and we're not able to

5:30

confirm all the details of his past. After

5:33

Dari spoke with us last summer, she and

5:36

Edward's public defenders stopped communicating with us. I

5:39

reached out to Edward in jail, but I

5:41

got no response. And due to medical

5:43

privacy laws, we don't know exactly

5:46

how doctors tried to manage Edward's illness.

5:48

But we do know that Edward's situation is

5:50

similar to so many others in New York

5:53

and beyond. It was like terrible that

5:55

we've been going through the swims since he was little. As

6:05

long as I couldn't remember, I wouldn't be able to

6:07

tell you the age, but I know it was very

6:09

young. Dari

6:11

and Edward grew up in New York. They moved

6:14

around from Staten Island to Brooklyn, and

6:16

Dari now lives in public housing, in

6:18

Brownsville. The vast majority

6:20

of Brownsville residents are people of color, and

6:22

the area is notorious for crime and poor

6:24

health outcomes. According

6:27

to Dari, when Edward was a little boy,

6:29

his father landed in prison and ultimately

6:31

died by suicide. My brother was only

6:33

six years old, and

6:35

he found out that his father has strangled

6:37

himself in jail. That's not something,

6:39

you know, a six-year-old would want to know. As

6:43

Edward aged, Dari says she watched his behavior

6:45

change. He would get aggressive and

6:47

violent, hitting and biting people. We

6:50

didn't know what was wrong. We thought it was just

6:52

like, you know, teenage behavior, basically, like, or, you know,

6:54

him going through a boy phase. We

6:57

never took it as a whole thing up until he

6:59

got older. I would say, like, 16, because

7:01

that's when everything basically started, like, that we

7:04

started noticing that he had issues. When

7:06

he started getting, like, really into this

7:08

church thing, he just kept

7:11

talking about all people was

7:13

Satan. We were

7:15

warlocked because we wasn't married, and we

7:17

didn't have kids, and I'm like, what the hell? Like,

7:19

what is this? And that's when, like, my mom finally

7:21

decided, you know, you need to be in a hospital.

7:26

And so the cycle began. Edward

7:29

would rotate in and out of hospitals

7:31

during psychotic episodes, but his

7:34

circumstances did not improve. And

7:36

then he asked to go in and out of the hospitals. He

7:38

18, and they just like, oh, like, OK,

7:40

you were allowed to go by yourself. Allowed

7:43

to leave the hospital alone, because

7:45

at 18, Edward was legally an

7:47

adult. Dari

7:50

says one time, Edward was released from the

7:52

hospital without supervision, and... They

7:55

even released his medicine to him as they were released

7:57

in his house. Edward was left in charge of

7:59

his own medicine. And instead of taking it, Dari

8:01

says he flushed it down the toilet. So I'm like,

8:03

what the... like this is just so

8:05

unprofessional. And his

8:07

behavior was getting worse. He was attacking

8:10

me for no reason. The family

8:12

felt helpless. And

8:18

at this point, we should just sidestep for a

8:20

minute to lay out what exactly we mean by

8:22

serious mental illness. We're typically

8:25

talking about illnesses that

8:27

include psychosis. This is

8:29

John Snook. He runs the Treatment Advocacy

8:31

Center, a nonprofit that pushes for better

8:33

treatment for people with serious

8:36

mental illness. So things like

8:38

schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, and

8:40

bipolar disorder. They're typically the illnesses

8:42

that are the most severe, hence

8:44

the name. And really is one

8:47

of the most debilitating diseases we have

8:49

right now as a nation. Serious

8:52

mental illness is hard enough to handle if

8:54

you're wealthy and have access to the best

8:56

care. For someone like Edward,

8:58

it's the worst kind of slippery slope.

9:00

And mental illness is like any other illness.

9:03

So if you don't provide the sort of

9:05

care that that person needs, they're

9:07

going to get worse and eventually you're dealing

9:09

with a crisis. And that's

9:11

what happened with Edward. Several

9:13

months before the alleged subway attack, Edward

9:16

was arrested in his neighborhood for

9:18

robbery. Court records and

9:20

a police report state that Edward ripped a purse

9:22

from the shoulder of a 25-year-old woman. He

9:25

was arrested and charged with seven offenses,

9:28

including menacing, harassing, and robbery in

9:30

the second degree, a felony.

9:33

He was arraigned and the judge ordered him

9:35

released without bail. So

9:38

Edward was back on the street and Dari says

9:40

at some point after that, he was

9:42

once again hospitalized. He was

9:44

just recently in there. I remember because on Thanksgiving

9:46

he was in here with the family. We

9:49

were speaking to him over the phone and then next

9:51

thing you know already, I would say like the ending

9:53

of November to like the beginning of December, he was

9:55

out again. The new year came, he

9:58

was home with us. And then that night before, Before

10:00

he had a relapse over here. Now I'm just

10:02

cleaning my room and he just, I don't know,

10:04

it was like, oh, you're

10:07

a devil's child, and throw something. I mean, I'm like,

10:09

are you serious right now? That was the last I

10:11

seen to him. And then the

10:13

next day come and that's when it happened. Investigators

10:17

believe Edward Cordero sucker punched the

10:19

grandfather, causing him to fall onto the

10:21

tracks. Suarez died at the hospital. The

10:24

day after Edward fought with Dari was

10:26

when he allegedly killed Hessean Dostoares. In

10:29

Edward's own statement, after his arrest, he

10:31

says, I wanted the guy to

10:33

see my face and quote, see

10:36

Jesus Christ defeats evil. Hessean

10:39

Dostoares was a father and grandfather.

10:41

His oldest son barely finding the words

10:44

to express his grief. I just, just

10:46

don't, don't tell your man. Can't

10:49

believe this happened? No, definitely not.

10:52

Definitely not. Gone

10:54

too soon. Tragic

11:02

events like this one fuel fear and stigma.

11:04

And they raise the question, why is it

11:07

so hard to provide care to someone with a serious mental

11:09

illness, like Edward, care that

11:11

might have prevented this tragedy? Coming

11:22

up on Latino USA, we dig into the problems

11:24

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We're back and we're going to zoom out

14:05

now. To understand how the steal your

14:08

to treat edward go to the

14:10

those mental illness connect. To larger

14:12

a systemic problems, let's go back

14:14

now to let new Usa producer

14:16

Maggie Freely. To

14:20

be clear, tackling everything that's wrong with

14:22

the mental health system in one episode

14:24

is pretty impossible. So. We're going

14:26

to focus on a few common problems

14:29

that we believe directly affected Edward. One

14:31

of them is a nationwide shortage of

14:33

in peace and hospital beds for psychiatric.

14:38

Emergency. Hospitalization is one.

14:40

Way to provide urgent care to someone in a

14:42

mental health crisis. as you heard about with Edward.

14:45

People are monitored and they receive new

14:47

or different medications. Or other treatments

14:49

that. As John Snuck, the mental

14:52

health advocate explains. Unfortunately, New

14:54

York's standard for getting into

14:56

a hospital bed is very

14:58

high If we typically requires

15:00

that a person. Evidence

15:02

that they're dangerous either to themselves or

15:04

someone else, and most states have recognized

15:07

that that's a that's a dumb way

15:09

to provide medical care. But the standard

15:11

is are they dangerous not? Do they

15:14

need help? Hopefully their illnesses is manifesting

15:16

in such a way that they seem

15:18

violence or they seem suicidal. It's a

15:21

terrible thing to hope for, but that's

15:23

how you get into care. And

15:25

Edward did make it into a hospital bed

15:28

and on multiple occasions as his sister Dari

15:30

told us. but it was only temporary. In

15:33

hospital, beds are being sent across the

15:35

country. In. Twenty Sixteen John

15:37

Snooks organization The Treatment Advocacy Center

15:40

published a report on the number

15:42

of state hospital beds available for

15:44

psychiatric patients. It sound that the

15:46

number of beds has fallen to an all time

15:48

low. And. John Smith says

15:50

the shortage of beds forces doctors

15:53

to make difficult decisions. What you

15:55

end up with his where unfortunately

15:57

doctors have to three hours. And

16:00

so they are unable to think

16:02

about well. how can I ensure

16:05

that this person is in an

16:07

inpatient facility long enough to really

16:09

get well and recover their thinking

16:11

about how to prevent the next

16:14

headline. Who. Is the most

16:16

seriously ill person that I need to get

16:18

into this bed right now? And how can

16:20

I get them out of that bad as

16:22

quickly as possible because I need a for

16:24

someone else. And so to put his

16:26

own context, we have to go back to the Nineteen

16:28

sixties. For.

16:32

Then people with serious mental illness would

16:35

typically go to stay. Friends Psychiatric

16:37

Hospitals. But by the

16:39

middle of the twentieth century, peace institutions

16:41

run the decline, and books and movies

16:44

like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

16:46

didn't help their reputation. You guys

16:48

to as and but complain about how you can't stand

16:50

it in his place Here then you haven't. Got

16:52

the guts to walk out. Of you

16:54

think you are priced after years of

16:57

scandals that stay on psychiatric institutions there's

16:59

assists the government be and shutting them

17:01

down. And we have to offer

17:03

something more than crowded custodial care and

17:05

our state institutions. And And Ninety Six

17:07

Three. President Kennedy signed The Community

17:09

Mental Health. Act. Under this legislation,

17:12

custodial mental institutions will be

17:14

replaced by Therapeutic Said it's

17:16

the. New law pushed for people with mental

17:18

illness to be true for with in their

17:20

own communities. Nuts and to wait

17:22

institutions. It was a

17:25

process called deinstitutionalization. Law.

17:27

The law establish new ideals for serving

17:30

people with mental illness. is also resulted

17:32

in many people who needed long term

17:34

care ending up on the streets and

17:36

homeless. Today Lol Four percent

17:38

of adults in the U S have a

17:40

serious mental illness. Are over

17:43

represented. In the homeless population and in

17:45

correctional facility is and the cutting of

17:47

hospital beds is not as a problem

17:49

for p Sense and. The Advocates: It's

17:52

a challenge for doctors to. after

17:59

i miss the news is a psychiatrist and

18:01

chair of the Department of Psychiatry at SUNY

18:03

Downstate Medical Center in New York City. He's

18:06

worked in the ER, treating people like Edward. I

18:08

can tell you that on a personal

18:11

level, I have had a number of situations

18:13

where we've had a patient

18:15

who really needed hospitalization badly

18:17

and just had nowhere to go because we

18:19

had no beds in the area. And

18:22

so people without family support or

18:24

other resources have few options.

18:28

It's also important to say how

18:30

overstretched healthcare providers are, especially in

18:32

neighborhoods like Edward's. According

18:34

to New York City data, Brownsville has

18:37

the second highest rate of psychiatric hospitalizations

18:39

in the city and the least

18:41

access to healthcare. Dr.

18:43

Fanous works in Flatbush, a neighborhood

18:45

in Brooklyn close to Edwards and

18:48

with similar problems. We're dealing with

18:50

communities that are long suffering and

18:52

they've been the victims of severe

18:54

injustice over centuries and to have

18:56

this sort of perpetuated in these

18:59

kinds of illnesses going

19:01

untreated is a major sort

19:03

of tragic situation. So

19:09

when getting stabilized in a hospital fails,

19:12

there's still a backup plan that some

19:14

of the most extreme cases can fall

19:16

into. And it's

19:18

controversial. One reason I

19:20

want to tell you about it is because of how it came

19:22

about. It began with a

19:25

situation eerily similar to Edwards in

19:27

the subway. Exactly

19:29

19 years to the date before

19:32

Edward allegedly pushed Jacinto Suarez onto

19:34

the tracks, Kendra Webdale was

19:36

also standing on a New York City

19:38

subway platform. An

19:40

unmedicated man with schizophrenia pushed

19:43

her into the path of an oncoming train

19:45

and he had recently been released from a hospital.

19:49

Kendra was 32 when she died. And

19:51

after that, her family became outspoken about

19:53

care for people with serious mental illness.

19:57

When Kendra was pushed toward death in front of a New

19:59

York City subway train. We

20:01

later learned of the ongoing hardships encountered by

20:03

some of the mentally ill themselves and

20:06

the anguish experienced by their families who

20:08

have tried, often unsuccessfully, to

20:10

get their loved ones the help they desperately need.

20:14

This is Kendra's mom in 1999. Her

20:17

family played a critical role in passing Kendra's

20:19

law, a state law that

20:22

created something called Assisted Outpatient

20:24

Treatment, or AOT. The

20:28

law makes it possible for a judge to

20:30

court order someone treatment without putting

20:32

them in a hospital. The treatment can

20:35

include medication, therapy, and case management. But it's

20:37

not easy to qualify. A

20:40

judge has to decide that the person

20:42

who is mentally ill is unable to

20:44

live safely without supervision. Opponents

20:48

of Kendra's law, including the New York Civil Liberties

20:50

Union, say it violates the

20:52

right to determine one's own treatment. But

20:55

still, courts have upheld the law as

20:57

constitutional. An independent

20:59

evaluation found that AOT reduces

21:02

the likelihood that recipients will

21:04

be re-hospitalized, incarcerated, or end up

21:06

homeless. And today, 47 states have some version

21:08

of AOT. And

21:13

most of all, Kendra's law represents hope

21:15

that another family will never have to

21:17

experience the heartache of losing a cherished

21:19

member of their family. But

21:22

Assisted Outpatient Treatment is not a

21:24

cure. John Snook from

21:26

the Treatment Advocacy Center says this is

21:28

the crux of the entire problem. AOT

21:31

is a band-aid for when people are in

21:33

the worst possible scenario. Because we are

21:35

in this cycle of letting people

21:38

fall apart and only getting them

21:40

a care when they're at their

21:42

very sickest, we just

21:44

never catch up. It'd be as if

21:46

we had a cardiac center, but we

21:48

only provided care to people once they had

21:51

a heart attack. And then we were

21:53

surprised at how expensive and broken the

21:55

system was. Although

22:00

Edward Cordero may have qualified for

22:02

AOT when he became an adult almost a year

22:05

before the incident, this specific

22:07

safety net does not appear to have caught

22:09

him. Edward's sister Dari

22:11

says she doesn't remember anyone telling

22:13

her about it as an option. Clearly,

22:23

creating a system that can manage care for

22:25

everyone who needs it is a big challenge.

22:28

It would take years of legislation, funding,

22:30

and training. But there is

22:32

one solution that pretty much everyone agrees

22:34

on. That people with

22:37

serious mental illness need regular monitoring,

22:39

case management, and support. I'm

22:48

standing on a street corner in Edward's old neighborhood

22:50

with Anna Miguel. She works with people who have

22:52

serious mental illness. She herself

22:54

was diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar

22:57

disorder. So she knows first-hand

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what the people she sees are going through. Anna

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works on an ACT team.

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That's A-C-T for Assertive Community

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Treatment. Anna's job is

23:08

to go to the homes of people who are too

23:10

sick to seek out care and check

23:13

in. Are they eating? Do

23:15

they need groceries? Are they taking

23:17

their medications? Are they sticking with their

23:19

treatment plans? I asked her to describe

23:21

a typical day. Ooh,

23:23

not easy. I see

23:27

11, sometimes 12 clients in one

23:29

day. That temperature on Martin Luther

23:31

King's, it was like zero. I was out

23:33

here working. I had 13 clients that day. My

23:37

phone finally froze, went black, and I

23:39

couldn't see the last two clients because

23:41

it was in Coney Island. Today

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I'm going with Anna on a home visit. We

23:45

are going to see a client that's actually

23:48

receptive to this visit. We

23:52

can get off here and walk over to... Along

23:54

with us is a nurse practitioner who takes care

23:57

of any medical needs that may arise. And for

23:59

confidence in the future. reasons, we're not

24:01

identifying the young man we went to visit.

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What's poppin'? Oh, my God. Where's

24:06

my... Where are we gonna come?

24:08

We'll give you your medication. The nurse is giving

24:10

him a shot of antipsychotic medication. Oh, let's go

24:12

on the... Oh, let's go inside. Anna tells

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me this particular client has been improving

24:16

steadily since she's been seeing him. You're

24:19

so proud of him. So, so proud of him.

24:22

Mom, can you give me a minute? Yeah.

24:25

That was it? All right, awesome. Thank

24:28

you. Good to see you

24:30

again. The check-in

24:32

lasted about 20 minutes. After the

24:34

client got his medication, Anna just chatted with him about

24:37

music, the weather, everyday things, just

24:41

to make sure he seemed okay. This is a cool

24:43

cat, isn't it? Yeah. I

24:45

saw him on Facebook. And then she left for

24:47

another apartment. We are off

24:49

to the East Flatbush area. In

24:52

addition to visits like this one, part

24:54

of Anna's job is to simply let people

24:57

know what services are available in their community. She

24:59

tells me that she walks around to spread the word in the

25:02

neighborhood, a place that historically

25:04

lacked access to health services. In

25:07

October, a brand-new health hub opened in East

25:09

New York. It's run by the

25:11

Institute for Community Living, a New York-based

25:13

nonprofit. It's a pretty big deal,

25:15

and that's why it made local TV news.

25:17

This East New York health hub is offering

25:19

so many services that those who organize it

25:22

say they want to be the

25:24

primary model for what healthcare can

25:27

look like. Anna's

25:30

based at the hub, and many of her clients

25:33

come and see her there, too, where they can

25:35

also get care for things like general checkups and

25:37

join group programs like work classes and

25:39

job training. In addition to

25:41

the hub itself, New York City officials say they're

25:44

spending more money to expand the use of

25:46

these ACT teams, like Anna's. In

25:48

fact, New York City is in the

25:51

midst of a multi-year initiative called Thrive

25:53

NYC. It's spending hundreds

25:55

of millions of dollars on mental health

25:57

services. Dr. Gary Belk.

26:00

is one of the people leading that charge. When

26:02

I spoke with him in September, he was aware

26:04

of the uphill battle the city's facing to take

26:07

care of people with serious mental illness.

26:09

We're catching up with being

26:11

satisfied with a system that

26:14

is not performing the way that we should expect

26:16

it to. Part of that

26:18

is it's fragmented by design, it's

26:21

underfunded by design, it's

26:23

the source of great stigma

26:26

and avoidance, and all of those things

26:28

need to be faced if we're gonna

26:30

have it work better. Belkin

26:32

is now the chief of policy and strategy for

26:35

Thrive NYC. The initiative was launched

26:37

in 2015 and has promised to

26:39

spend as much as $250 million a year on

26:42

dozens of programs. It's the

26:44

largest city-based mental health initiative in the

26:46

country, and city leaders have called it

26:48

a model for communities nationwide.

26:52

However, the initiative is facing criticism.

26:55

The New York City Council and the city's

26:57

controller are taking a close look at Thrive

26:59

NYC's funding and effectiveness, and

27:02

many critics say it fails to prioritize the people

27:04

who need help the most, people

27:06

with serious mental illness, like Edward. Dr.

27:09

Belkin acknowledges that criticism. That

27:12

criticism often comes from a very credible

27:14

place. These are people who have lost

27:16

loved ones, who have tried to get

27:18

them through this system. That doesn't make

27:20

sense, and they want

27:22

that fixed. This

27:26

is not the first time, it's not the last

27:28

time that it happened, pretty sure. There

27:30

will be so much completely different. If

27:32

they were to open up more places

27:35

that could handle mental people and

27:37

help them, they're also humans.

27:40

They're just people that are not

27:43

in the right state of mind, they're disabled, and

27:45

all they need is hope, honestly. Edward

27:52

Cordero is now in jail at Rikers Island,

27:55

awaiting trial, And he's facing up to 25

27:57

years in prison. They

28:00

can talk to her brother often, she

28:02

says. Edward also misses watching his nephew

28:04

Dari son grow up a dozen so

28:07

rights. As oklahoma him and then said i

28:09

was a cry like the. Skies example,

28:11

the boys are a grown man like

28:13

speaker me my own. Out of a

28:15

sudden. It always has agreed to

28:18

of my nephews. And

28:20

like somebody like I'll I'll eat the way

28:22

you bring so much bigger aka. We said

28:24

i see you learn and I love you and

28:26

like know stuff like time. Omen? Are

28:28

that just the medical center for. A

28:32

few months ago, I went to watch one of

28:34

Edwards Court hearings. To is almost

28:37

unrecognizable from The Angry Young Man and The New

28:39

York. Daily News and he gained

28:41

weight for his hair out and

28:43

look past. And sad. The

28:46

judge take him with him and his lawyer and

28:48

then if he was leaving and returned to his

28:50

mom She was sitting behind him crying. And

28:53

smiles and whispered anime and

28:55

in his hands he tried

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