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4:02

just... Just, you know when

4:04

you go, let's just go and absolutely pump these

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4:09

I think that was the gabby talking. Well, let's

4:12

now rewind the clock and we're gonna listen

4:14

to England Serbia back

4:16

because myself, Nick and Alex were

4:19

all leaving voice notes to each

4:21

other as we experienced that grinding

4:23

1-0 England victory, which I am

4:25

about to predict. So

4:28

here it is. Relive the game with us

4:30

and see if you can spot the little

4:32

cameo that's in there at the end. Here

4:34

it is. Here

4:46

we go again. Euro 2024

4:48

England versus Serbia. The tournament is

4:50

about to begin for England fans.

4:53

I am watching this at home

4:56

tonight because it is

4:58

Father's Day and also it's my

5:00

wedding anniversary. So

5:02

the combination of that guilt

5:05

means I'm watching this at home. And

5:08

as I sit here now, I just

5:10

been thinking all day about how England

5:12

never start a tournament well. Switzerland

5:16

in Euro 96. France

5:18

Euro 2004

5:21

who can forget Portugal Euro 2000. The

5:25

list goes on and on. So I'm I think

5:28

if we just just kind of scratch out

5:31

grind out a 1-0 victory, I think that

5:33

would be lovely and

5:35

I think that is what's going to happen

5:37

if I'm honest with myself. Great

5:41

to see all the rouse about

5:43

whether Trent Alexander Arnold can play in midfield despite

5:45

him having done that and been quite good when

5:47

he's done it in the past, I think. That's

5:50

going to be an interesting thing to watch. But

5:53

really, I'm just excited to

5:55

open a bottle of red wine and enjoy this

5:57

without having a queue at a pub bar. to

18:00

look at it, that's what it looks like with the

18:02

old zip on it. You very rarely get a zip

18:04

like that on a cotton polo, in

18:06

my experience. That's literally, you

18:09

haven't used resident fashion. Yeah,

18:11

fashion expert. I

18:13

think that's a merino wool polo, and

18:16

underneath the jacket, in that

18:18

sort of colour, I mean, it's a braver man than

18:20

me. But the way I sweat, I mean, that's got

18:22

patches written all over. I think he's committed to it,

18:25

no knee sweating, gone, I can't even take the jacket

18:27

off now. Everyone's going to see, what have I worn?

18:29

Why didn't I wear the dark blue one? By

18:32

the way, you know you mentioned about the

18:34

first game of Italian 90, when

18:37

Gary Lineker shit himself. Did

18:39

you see, during the BBC coverage

18:41

or something, they appeared to be

18:43

being attacked by Hornets? Really?

18:46

Yeah, they alluded, they'd come back, and

18:48

he said something. I've

18:51

already made this up. I may

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rose, had got the better of me.

18:58

I'm sure at some point they mentioned

19:01

the fact that they were being

19:03

attacked by Hornets. Because

19:06

obviously the BBC studio is open

19:08

air. All

19:11

right. He's just going

19:13

in, look, it must be, it's the

19:15

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19:20

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19:28

just started being attacked by Hornets.

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All right, I'm getting worried about. It's like

19:33

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19:35

look, look, there's a story

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19:39

receiving end of a big Hornet attack. Oh my

19:41

God. Yeah, it was when they kind

19:43

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19:45

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19:48

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And boy, what a pundit this guy is.

21:41

He's been there in numerous England squads through tournaments

21:43

in 2002, 2004, 2010. A

21:49

man synonymous with being a big man up top.

21:51

I'm going to say it. An

21:53

England legend of the noughties. It's

21:56

Emil Heskey. left

22:00

unmarked. Emil Hesky, could it be five?

22:02

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22:05

man is on our artwork. He's a cover

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man knows a lot about playing in

22:13

international tournaments for England. It's Emil Hesky.

22:15

How you doing Emil? How you doing

22:17

guys? Yeah good, good, good, good. So

22:19

we're recording this the morning after Serbia

22:21

last night. What do you make of it Emil?

22:24

Are you excited about what you saw? Do you

22:26

know what? There were some bits of it, especially

22:28

the first half, there were some

22:30

bits of it. I would have looked for us

22:32

to create more chances,

22:34

clear cut chances than we did. We

22:37

had a lot of possession. We probed, we probed. But

22:39

again, this is what England's gonna get. They're gonna get

22:41

teams that are just gonna sit in there, see

22:44

how long they can frustrate England for, and

22:47

then try and get on counter-attack with

22:49

three kicks with corners and

22:51

see if they can nick a goal. And that's what it looked

22:53

like. A couple

22:55

of players were a little bit off,

22:57

but that looked more like

23:00

pressure. Can I just ask

23:02

Emil? I think Harry Kane in the first half,

23:04

I think he'd only had, was it one or

23:06

two touches? As a striker,

23:08

do you like kind of, when

23:11

that happens to you, is

23:13

it hard to kind of like keep your confidence up

23:15

or are you just thinking, well I'm gonna get a

23:18

chance sooner or later? Or are you there

23:20

thinking during it, oh my god, I'm not in this game

23:22

here? I played good arguably one

23:24

of the best players, best

23:26

number 10s out there in

23:28

Wayne Rooney. Now on my job,

23:31

as a striker with Wayne Rooney playing off football with me,

23:33

Wayne Rooney doesn't want to be, he can run in behind,

23:35

but basically he wants to get on the wall. How

23:38

am I gonna create space for Wayne Rooney? So

23:40

my thing was stretching the pitch, staying

23:42

as high as possible, as long as possible to try

23:45

and make them little spaces for him. And

23:47

that was, I understood that.

23:50

I didn't necessarily need to have

23:52

10, 15, 20, 30 touches in the game. My

23:55

touches would come a bit further

23:58

into the penalty area. And

24:00

that's where Harry Kane got his chance from. I

24:03

think that, apart from the goal that

24:05

we scored, was probably the one of the

24:07

only crosses that came in the second half of the boat,

24:09

I think it was. One

24:11

of the only real crosses that got into the box, with

24:14

someone who was so deadly in and around

24:16

that box, so good that usually his head,

24:19

so good at creating space and finding that

24:21

space in the box, I'm not

24:23

sure why we didn't utilise that. Yeah, there's one

24:25

thing Alan Shearer was saying on commentary, wasn't it? He

24:27

wanted Harry Kane just stood further up the pitch all

24:29

the time, like doing exactly what you were saying, being

24:31

like kind of that out ball and

24:34

just keeping the defences occupied, which is exactly your

24:36

game. It's the toughest thing to do because one

24:38

as a player, you just want to get on

24:40

the ball. If you haven't touched that ball for

24:43

five minutes, you

24:45

automatically know seeking for it just to get a

24:47

touch. The team

24:49

doesn't need that. They

24:51

don't need you bringing more players into

24:53

their spaces. It's

24:55

very technical. You

24:58

have to be very patient and you

25:00

have to be very organised and very

25:02

diligent in what the manager wants you

25:04

to do. I think he's come out

25:06

and said he played something. He played

25:08

a little bit different to what he usually does because he's trying

25:10

to stretch a pitch, but if you look

25:13

at it, he was still trying to get on the ball

25:15

and still compacting the midfield area. So

25:17

you were involved in a lot of England squads

25:19

as we touched upon at the start. What

25:22

for you was the most fun

25:24

you had at a tournament? Was there one

25:26

squad that actually, not necessarily on the pitch,

25:28

but maybe off the pitch around the hotel,

25:30

you just had a lot of fun? I

25:34

would say Japan, the world cup of Japan. We

25:41

had some character. David James is a bit of a

25:43

character. Yeah, it was good

25:45

fun. The

25:49

good thing is it's difficult. You go

25:51

away with England, you come back and

25:53

see the lads who have gone away

25:55

with Scotland and Ireland and Wales. It's

25:58

totally different where you hear about them going. going

26:00

out and roaming

26:02

and mingling. We weren't allowed

26:04

to do any of that. We would have thousands

26:06

of parents just sat outside the hotel,

26:09

thousands of parents just waited for you

26:11

to come out the outside, down to the etc. All

26:14

of our entertainment was kind of compact in

26:16

the electoral hotel, which was difficult at times.

26:19

Yeah, and I think it seems

26:21

like it's the case now, like when you see social

26:23

media clips of the England team riding unicorns

26:25

in a swimming pool, that kind of thing,

26:28

there seems like they've got a lot of

26:30

activities and there are constantly things to do. Did

26:32

you have much of that back in your day?

26:34

Or was it just a PlayStation in the

26:36

hotel room? There was a games room, table

26:38

tennis, but pretty much a PlayStation. Very

26:41

much a PlayStation who was the best at people,

26:44

who was the best at corner duty. Yeah,

26:47

that was it to be honest with you. And the

26:49

funny part is I never played any of them. I

26:51

didn't play computer games. Oh man, you must have been

26:53

so bored. Yeah, table tennis was

26:55

good, I was okay. It's

26:59

a shame you didn't play because I tell you what,

27:01

on Pro Evo you were unbelievable on it. I was...

27:04

Everyone keeps telling me that. I get that all

27:07

the time. I

27:09

even got that last night. So, you know... You

27:13

went to the World Cup in 2002, you were there

27:15

with Gareth, Gareth Southgate. He was in the squad, right?

27:18

So what was it, was he good at FIFA? I

27:21

can't remember complaining, to be honest with you. It

27:23

was obviously, we were seeing a member, him and

27:25

Martin Keown were fantastic for us. I was

27:27

young players to be fair. Because

27:30

again, they're the ones you've got to look up to.

27:32

They're the ones who were kind of guiding you through

27:34

everything. And he was brilliant. Tairys,

27:37

as a young player, you need to see a player to

27:40

sit down and talk to you and to

27:42

make sure you're okay. He was...

27:44

Him and Martin Keown were there, were then

27:46

senior players to be fantastic. Could

27:50

you say that Southgate had

27:52

the potential to be a good manager at

27:54

international level? Coaching wise, I don't know. Again,

27:56

man management, yes, because again, he

27:59

was really... even

44:00

though by rights, he should have been captain.

44:03

But there was a bit,

44:05

I remember there was a storyline where

44:07

Luke Davenport went away of England and

44:10

Ryan Naismith was also called up to

44:12

the squad and went as a debutant.

44:15

I remember, I'm pretty sure I remember that

44:17

rightly, that both of them, there was a

44:19

bit where, because Luke Davenport was like kind

44:21

of the, you know, he was

44:24

a superstar. And yeah, Naismith was

44:26

a young player, just got called up and

44:28

went along with him. Imagine scoring 173 Premier

44:30

League goals and

44:33

not getting an England call up. How

44:35

many did, how many, what's the record?

44:37

How many does Alan Shearer get? He's

44:39

top, isn't he? Who's all-time Premier League

44:41

goal scorers? 260,

44:44

he's, Shearer got 260. So

44:47

how many has Cole Fletcher got? I

44:50

think on, what was on Riyon? He was on about...

44:52

Yeah, 175. So that would place

44:54

him eighth. That would place him

44:56

eighth on the all-time Premier League top scorer. But to be

44:58

fair, that's one ahead of Robbie Fowler on 163. He

45:01

didn't play a lot for England, did he? No, but

45:04

he still had a few call-ups, which I don't.

45:07

And also, didn't end up

45:09

being hung on a clothes peg. So

45:12

that's... Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert.

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