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Hi, I'm LaVar Burton, and this
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is LaVar Burton-Reed's. In
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every episode, I handpick a different piece of
1:23
short fiction, and I read
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1:27
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Y'all, I find today's story
1:41
completely fascinating.
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I mean, it's a story about
1:46
a man who I
1:49
mean, it's funny, it's beautifully
1:52
spare, and it is very
1:55
complicated. In
1:57
fact, I actually don't want to say much more about
1:59
it before... we begin. I
2:01
think it's better to let Percival get
2:03
his hooks into you first. It's
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from Percival Everett's collection of stories
2:08
entitled, Damned If I Do, published
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by Gray Wolf Press. Now you
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might remember Percival's name from two
2:14
other stories that we have read
2:16
on the pod or maybe
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you've even seen the new movie
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directed by Cora Jefferson called American
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Fiction, one of my favorite
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movies of the year which was based
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on the book Erasure, one of
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Percival's novels.
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And so now if
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you're ready let's take a deep
2:38
breath. And
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begin. The
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appropriation of cultures
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by Percival Everett. Daniel
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Barkley had money
3:14
left to him by his mother. He
3:17
had a house that had been left to him by his
3:19
mother. He
3:21
had a degree in American Studies
3:23
from Brown University that he had
3:25
in some way earned but that
3:28
had not yet earned anything for
3:30
him. He
3:32
played a 1940 Martin guitar with a Barkley's
3:36
Berry pickup and drove a
3:38
1976 Jensen Interceptor
3:41
which she had purchased after his mother's
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sister had died and left him her
3:46
money because she had no children of
3:48
her own. Daniel
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Barkley didn't work and didn't
3:55
pretend to need to, spending
3:58
most of his time reading. Some
4:01
nights he went to a joint
4:03
near the campus of the University
4:05
of South Carolina and played jazz
4:07
with some old guys who all
4:09
worked very hard during the day
4:11
but didn't hold Daniel's condition against
4:13
him. Daniel
4:17
played standards with the old guys,
4:19
but what he loved to play
4:21
were old-time slide tunes. One
4:24
night some white boys from a
4:27
fraternity yelled forward to the stage at
4:29
the black man holding the acoustic guitar
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and began to shout, Lay
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Dixie first! Lay
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Dixie first! Daniel
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gave them a long look, studied
4:44
their big-tooth grins and the
4:47
beer-shiny eyes stuck into puffy
4:49
pale faces hovering over golf
4:51
shirts and chinos. He
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looked from them to the uncomfortable expressions on
4:57
the faces of the old guys with whom
4:59
he was playing and then to the
5:02
embarrassed faces of the other college kids in
5:04
the club. And
5:11
then he started to play. He
5:15
felt his way slowly through the chords of
5:17
the song once and listened to the dead
5:19
and hushed as it fell over the
5:22
room. He used
5:24
the slide to squeeze out the melody of
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the song he had grown up hating, a
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song the whites had always
5:31
pulled out to remind themselves and
5:33
those other people just where they
5:35
were. Daniel
5:39
sang the song. He sang
5:41
it slowly. He
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sang it, feeling the
5:45
lyrics, deciding that the lyrics
5:47
were his, deciding that
5:50
the song was his. Old
5:54
times there are
5:57
not forgotten.
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He sang the song and
6:04
listened to the silence around him.
6:07
He resisted the urge to let satire
6:09
ring through his voice. He
6:11
meant what he sang. Look
6:16
away, look away, look
6:18
away, Dixieland. When
6:28
he was finished, he looked up to
6:30
see the room full of eyes on him. One
6:34
person clapped, then another,
6:36
and soon the tavern was filled with
6:39
applause and hoost. He
6:41
found the frat boys in the back and
6:43
watched as they stormed out, a
6:45
couple of people near the door chuckling at them
6:47
as they passed. Roger,
6:50
the old guy who played tenor sax,
6:52
slapped Daniel on the back and said
6:54
something like, ride on, or
6:58
cool. Roger
7:00
then played the first few notes of Take the
7:02
A-Train, and they were on. When
7:09
the set was done, all the college
7:11
kids slapped Daniel on the back as
7:13
he walked toward the bar where he
7:15
found a beer waiting. Daniel
7:20
didn't much care for the slaps on the
7:22
back, but he didn't focus too
7:24
much energy on that. He
7:27
was busy trying to sort out his
7:29
feelings about what he had just played.
7:32
The irony of his playing the song
7:34
straight and from the heart was made
7:36
more ironic by the fact that as
7:38
he played it, it came
7:41
straight and from his heart as
7:43
he was claiming southern soil or
7:45
at least recognizing his blood in
7:47
it. This
7:50
was the land of cotton, and
7:52
hell no, it was not forgotten.
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At 23, his anger was fresh
7:59
and typical and So was his
8:01
ease with it. The
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way it could be forgotten for chunks of
8:05
time, until something like that
8:07
night with the white frat boys or
8:09
simply a flashing blue light in the
8:11
rearview mirror brought it all back.
8:15
He liked the song, wanted
8:18
to play it again, knew
8:21
that he would. He
8:24
drove home from the bar on Green Street
8:26
and back to his house where he made
8:28
tea and read about Pickett's Charge
8:30
at Gettysburg while he sat in the big
8:33
leather chair that had been his father's. He
8:36
fell asleep and had a dream in
8:39
which he stopped Pickett's men on the Emmitsburg
8:41
Road on their way to the field and
8:43
said, give me
8:45
back my flag. Daniel
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and Sarah went to a grocery market to
8:58
buy food for lunch and Daniel's dinner. Daniel
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pushed the cart through the pigly wiggly while
9:03
Sarah walked ahead of him. He
9:05
watched her large movements and her
9:08
confidence stride. At the
9:10
checkout, he added a bulletin full of
9:12
pictures of local cars and trucks for
9:14
sale to his items on the conveyor.
9:18
What's that for? Sarah asked.
9:21
I think I want to buy a
9:23
truck. So
9:26
I can drive you around when you paint your
9:29
nails. Daniel's
9:34
friend Sarah was a very large woman
9:37
with a very large Afro hairdo. They
9:39
were sitting on the porch of Daniel's house
9:41
having tea. A late
9:44
fall afternoon was mild and
9:46
slightly overcast. Daniel
9:49
sat in the wicker rocker while Sarah
9:51
curled her feet under her on the
9:53
glider. I
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wish I could have heard it. Yeah, me
9:58
too. Personally,
10:00
I can't even stand to go in that place.
10:02
All that drinking. Those white kids
10:04
love to drink." Sarah
10:07
studied her fingernails. I
10:10
guess. The place
10:12
is harmless. They seem to
10:14
like the music. "'Do
10:17
you think I should paint my nails?' Daniel
10:19
frowned at her. "'If
10:22
you want to.' I
10:24
mean, really paint them. You
10:26
know, black. Or with red, white,
10:28
and blue stripes. Something like that."
10:31
She held her hand out, appearing to imagine the
10:33
colors. "'I'd have
10:35
to grow them long.' What
10:37
are you talking about?' Just
10:40
bullshitting." Later, after
10:43
lunch and after Sarah had left him alone,
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Daniel sat in his living room and picked
10:48
up the car sale magazine. As
10:51
he suspected, there were several trucks he
10:53
liked, and one in particular, a 1968
10:55
Ford three-quarter
10:57
ton with the one thing it
10:59
shared with the other possibilities, a
11:03
full rear cab window decal
11:05
of the Confederate flag. He
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called the number the following morning
11:10
and arranged with Barb, Travis' wife,
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to stop by and see the
11:15
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let's get back to our story. Travis
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and Barb lived across the river
12:27
in the town of Ermo, a
12:30
name that Daniel had always thought suited
12:32
a disease for cattle. He
12:35
drove around the maze of tracked homes
12:37
until he found the right street and
12:39
number. A
12:42
woman in a housecoat across the street
12:44
watched from her porch, safe, inside
12:46
the chain-link fence around her yard.
12:49
From down the street, a man
12:52
and a teenager who were covered
12:54
with grease and apparently engaged in
12:56
work on a torn apart Dodge
12:58
Charger mindlessly wiped their hands and
13:00
studied him. Daniel
13:03
walked across the front yard through a
13:05
maze of plastic toys and knocked on
13:07
the front door. Travis
13:09
opened the door and asked in a
13:11
surly voice, what is it? I
13:15
called about the truck, Daniel
13:17
said. Oh, you're
13:21
Dan? Daniel
13:23
nodded. The
13:25
truck's in the backyard. Let
13:28
me get the keys. He
13:31
pushed the door too, but it didn't catch. Daniel
13:34
heard the quality of the exchange between
13:36
Travis and Barb, but not the words.
13:39
He did hear Barb say as Travis pulled
13:41
open the door, I couldn't
13:44
tell over the phone. Got
13:47
him, Travis said. Come
13:49
on with me. He
13:52
looked at Daniel's Jensen as they walked through
13:54
the yard. What
13:56
kind of car is that? It's
13:59
a Jensen. Nice. Logan.
14:02
Is a fast. Now. I
14:04
guess. The
14:06
truck looked a little rough. A
14:08
pale blue with a bleached out hood
14:10
and a crack cross the top of
14:12
the windshield. Travis.
14:14
Open the driver's side door and pushed the
14:16
key into the ignition. Is
14:19
a strong runner. He said. Daniel
14:22
put his hand on the faded hood
14:24
and felt the warmth. Knew that
14:26
Travis. It already warmed up the motor.
14:30
Travis, turn the key to the engine
14:32
kicked over. He
14:34
nodded to Daniel. Daniel nodded
14:36
back. He looked
14:38
up to see a blonde woman looking on
14:40
from behind the screen door of the back
14:43
porch. Clubs and
14:45
the alternator new this year Travis step
14:47
backwards to the one of the bed
14:49
in the thin. Air
14:51
some rust back here, but
14:54
bottoms pretty, Some. Then
14:57
attended to the sound of the huge.
15:00
Mrs just a little he said.
15:04
Soon Apple says that. Daniel
15:06
regarded the Rebel flag decals covering
15:08
the rear window of the Cavs.
15:10
touched it with his finger, To
15:14
that thing of peel right off
15:16
Stratasys. I
15:19
like. Daniel sat
15:21
down in the truck behind
15:23
the steering wheel. Modified tickets
15:25
were spent survey Travis of
15:27
toward the house in back
15:30
to Daniel Breaks good with
15:32
for as I. Noted.
15:37
Shut the door is long fingers
15:39
rapped over the edge of the
15:41
have Lowered class. Then you'll notice
15:43
that one of the man's fingernails
15:45
was blackened. I'll just take it
15:47
around the block or two. blonde
15:50
woman was now standing outside the door
15:52
on the concrete steps daniel put the
15:54
trucked in here and drove out of
15:56
your past his car and down the
15:59
street by the man and teenager who
16:01
were still at work on the charger.
16:04
They stared at him, were still watching
16:06
him as he turned right at the corner. The
16:09
truck handled decently, but that
16:12
really wasn't important. Back
16:15
at Travis's house, Daniel left the keys
16:17
in the truck and got out to
16:20
observe the bald tires while Travis looked
16:22
on. The
16:24
ad in the magazine said 2000. Yeah,
16:28
but I'm willing to work with you. I'll
16:31
tell you what, give you 2200 if you
16:33
deliver it
16:36
to my house. Travis
16:38
was lost, scratching his head and looking
16:40
back at the house for his wife
16:42
who was no longer standing there. Whereabouts
16:45
do you live? I
16:47
live over near the university near
16:50
five points. 2200
16:53
Travis said more to himself than to
16:55
Daniel. Sure, I
16:58
can get it to your house. Here's
17:00
200. Daniel counted out the
17:03
money and handed it to the
17:05
man. I'll have the
17:07
rest for you in cash when you deliver
17:09
the truck. He
17:12
watched Travis feel the bills with his skinny
17:14
fingers. Can you have
17:16
it there at about four? I
17:19
can do that. What
17:27
in the world do you need a
17:29
truck for? Sarah asked. She
17:32
stepped over to the counter and poured herself another
17:34
cup of coffee. Then sat back
17:36
down at the table with Daniel. I'm
17:39
not buying the truck. Well, I
17:41
am buying a truck, but only because I
17:43
need the truck for the decal. I'm buying
17:47
the decal. Decal?
17:50
Yes, this truck has
17:53
a confederate flag in the back window.
17:55
What? I've
17:58
decided that the rebel flag
18:01
is my flag. My blood
18:03
is southern blood, right? Well,
18:07
it's my flag." Sarah
18:10
put down her cup and saucer and picked up a
18:12
cookie from the plate in the middle of the table.
18:15
"'You've flipped. I
18:17
knew this would happen to you if you didn't work. A
18:20
person needs to work. I
18:23
don't need money. That's not
18:25
the point. You don't have to
18:27
work for money.'" She stood
18:29
and walked to the edge of the porch and looked up
18:31
and down the street. "'I've
18:33
got my books and my music.
18:37
You need a job so you can be
18:39
around people you don't care about, doing stuff
18:41
you don't care about. You
18:43
need a job to occupy that part of
18:45
your brain. I suppose
18:47
it's too late now, though.'" "'None-the-less,'
18:52
Daniel said. You should have
18:54
seen those rednecked boys when I took Dixie from
18:56
them. They didn't know what to
18:58
do. So, the goddamn
19:00
flag is flying over the state capitol?
19:03
Don't take it down. Just take
19:05
it. That's what I
19:07
say. That's
19:10
all you have to do? That's all there is
19:12
to it?" "'Yep.'"
19:16
Daniel leaned back in his rocker. "'You
19:18
watch old Travis when he gets
19:21
here.'" Travis
19:28
arrived with the pickup a little
19:30
before four, his wife pulling
19:33
up behind him in a yellow transam. Barb
19:36
got out of the car and walked up
19:38
to the porch with Travis. She
19:41
gave the house a careful
19:43
look. "'Hey, Travis,'
19:46
Daniel said. "'This is
19:48
my friend, Sarah.' Travis
19:50
nodded hello. "'You
19:53
must be Barb,' Daniel said. Barb
19:56
smiled weakly. Travis
19:59
looked back. at Sarah, then back at
20:01
the truck, and then to
20:03
Daniel. You sure you
20:06
don't want me to peel that thing off the
20:08
window? I'm
20:10
positive. Okay. Daniel
20:14
gave Sarah a glance to be sure she
20:16
was watching Travis's face. Here's
20:18
the balance, he said, handing over the
20:21
money. He took the truck
20:23
keys from the skinny fingers. Barb
20:26
sighed and asked as if the
20:28
question were burning right through her. Why
20:31
do you want that flag on the truck? Why
20:35
shouldn't I want it? Daniel asked.
20:38
Barb didn't know what to say. She
20:41
studied her feet for a second, then regarded the
20:43
house again. I mean,
20:45
you live in a nice house and drive
20:48
that sports car. What
20:50
do you need a truck like that for? You
20:53
don't want the money? Yes, we want
20:56
the money, Travis said, trying to
20:58
silence Barb with a look. I
21:02
need the truck for hauling stuff, Daniel
21:04
said. You know, like groceries
21:06
and he looked to Sarah
21:08
for help. Books, Sarah
21:11
said. Books, things
21:14
like that. Daniel held
21:16
Barb's eyes until she looked away.
21:19
He watched Travis sign his name to the back
21:21
of the title and hand it to him. And
21:24
as he took it, he said. I
21:27
was just lucky enough to find a
21:29
truck with the black power flag already
21:31
on it. What?
21:35
Travis screwed up his face trying to
21:37
understand. The
21:39
black power flag on the window. You
21:42
mean you didn't know? Travis
21:46
and Barb looked at each other. Well,
21:52
anyway, Daniel said, I'm
21:55
glad we could do business. He
21:57
turned to Sarah. Let me.
21:59
take you for a ride in my new
22:02
truck. He and
22:04
Sarah walked across the yard, got
22:06
into the pickup and waved to
22:08
Travis and Barb who were still
22:10
standing in Daniel's yard as
22:12
they drove away. Sarah
22:15
was on the verge of hysterics by the
22:17
time they were out of sight. That
22:21
was beautiful, she
22:23
said. No, Daniel
22:26
said so sweet. That
22:29
was true. Hey
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everyone, it's Ted from Consumer Cellular, the guy
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Now, let's get back to our story.
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Over the next week, sightings
23:58
of Daniel and... his truck
24:00
proved problematic for some. He
24:04
was accosted by two big white men and
24:06
a 72 Monte Carlo in
24:08
the parking lot of a 7-11
24:10
on Toonot Road. What
24:13
are you doing with that on your truck, boy? The
24:16
bigger of the two asked. Flying
24:18
it proudly, Daniel said,
24:20
noticing the rebel front plate on the
24:23
Chevrolet. Just like you,
24:25
brothers? The
24:28
confused second man took a step toward
24:30
Daniel. What did
24:32
you call us? Brothers!
24:36
The second man pushed Daniel in the
24:38
chest with two extended fists, but not
24:40
terribly hard. I don't
24:42
want any trouble, Daniel told
24:44
them. Then
24:47
a Volkswagen with four black teenagers
24:49
parked in the slot beside Daniel's
24:51
truck, and they jumped down, staring,
24:54
looking serious. What's
24:56
going on? The driver, and
24:59
largest of the teenagers, asked. They
25:02
were admiring our flag, Daniel
25:05
said, pointing to his truck. The
25:09
teenagers were confused. We
25:11
fly the flag proudly, don't
25:14
we, young brothers? Daniel gave
25:16
a bent arm black power
25:18
closed fist salute. Don't
25:21
we? He repeated. Don't
25:24
we? Yeah, yeah.
25:27
The young men said. The
25:30
white men had backed away to their
25:32
car. They slipped into
25:34
it and drove away. Daniel
25:38
looked at the teenagers, and with as serious
25:40
a face as he could manage, he said,
25:44
Get a flag, and fly it
25:47
proudly. He
26:01
then looked at Daniel. Your
26:04
truck?" he asked. Daniel
26:07
stopped cleaning the windshield and nodded. Wilson
26:11
didn't ask a question, just pointed at
26:13
the rear window of Daniel's pickup. "'Power
26:17
to the people,' Daniel
26:19
said and laughed." Daniel
26:26
played Dixie in another bar in
26:28
town. This time with
26:30
an R&B dance band at a banquet
26:32
of the Black Medical Association. The
26:36
strange looks and expressions of outrage
26:38
changed to bemused laughter and finally
26:41
to open joking and acceptance as
26:43
the song was played fast enough
26:45
for dancing. Then
26:48
the song was sung slowly
26:51
to the profound surprise of those
26:53
singing the song. "'I
26:57
wish I was in
26:59
the land of cotton.
27:03
Old times there are
27:06
not forgotten.
27:10
Look away, look away, look
27:13
away.' There
27:22
were several men, many
27:24
cars and trucks in
27:27
Columbia, South Carolina sporting
27:30
Confederate flags and being
27:32
driven by Black people.
27:35
Black businessmen and ministers wore
27:37
rebel flag buttons on their lapels
27:39
and clips on their ties. The
27:43
marching band of South Carolina
27:45
State College, a predominantly Black
27:47
land-grant institution in Orangeburg, paraded
27:50
with the flag during homecoming.
27:54
Black people all over the state
27:56
flew the Confederate flag. The
28:00
symbol began to disappear from the
28:02
fronts of big rigs and the
28:05
back windows of jacked-up four-wheelers. And,
28:09
after the emblem was used to dress
28:11
the yards and mark picnic sites of
28:13
black family reunions the following Fourth of
28:15
July, a piece of
28:18
cloth was quietly dismissed from
28:20
its station with the U.S.
28:22
and state flags atop the
28:24
state capitol. There
28:27
was no ceremony, no
28:29
notice. One
28:32
day, it was
28:34
not there. Look
28:37
away. Look
28:39
away. Look
28:42
away. We've
29:00
talked before here on
29:02
the podcast about Confederate
29:05
monuments and the
29:09
importance of removing them. And
29:11
I know that in some
29:14
parts of this country it's a very
29:17
controversial thing. There
29:21
is an awful lot of history
29:25
and pride, I must
29:28
admit, that goes along with
29:30
attachment to those
29:32
Confederate generals,
29:36
their statues, and the flag.
29:39
I get that. I do. I
29:43
suppose what I'm trying
29:47
to understand is why,
29:50
with the
29:53
world being the way it is, why the
29:57
resistance? And I
29:59
guess I could say that. come down on
30:02
the side of, I don't think
30:04
it's so much their attachment to
30:06
the history and
30:08
the meaning. I kind
30:11
of think that it's more of like they
30:13
don't want anyone to tell them what to do, right?
30:17
The resistance is really about feeling
30:21
like there's being something taken
30:23
away from
30:25
them. And I
30:27
understand that too. It
30:29
sucks, right? Having
30:32
what you've always
30:34
known to be there and
30:36
identified with suddenly falling out
30:38
of favor, out
30:40
of fashion. You
30:42
know, there's this conversation
30:45
happening in the country now about the
30:47
word woke, right? I like the
30:49
word. I like what
30:51
it stands for. I personally enjoy
30:54
being in a state of
30:56
awake. I like
30:59
being in a state of
31:01
wokeness. But
31:03
that word has been co-opted
31:05
and made to
31:08
mean something else, something demeaning,
31:10
something derogatory. And
31:14
that's what I think is so fascinating about this
31:16
story that in
31:18
co-opting this symbol of
31:21
the Confederacy, which
31:24
at the end of the day,
31:26
let's just say it one more
31:28
time for those in the back
31:31
row, the Civil War was fought
31:33
over states rights to own human
31:35
beings. And
31:39
that flag and those
31:41
Confederate statues of
31:44
traitorous generals are
31:48
part of that symbol, part
31:51
of that thinking that
31:54
it is okay to own
31:56
other human beings and not just own
31:59
them. abused
32:03
them in the most horrific
32:05
of ways. And so Daniel
32:08
in the story takes
32:10
that symbol, that Confederate
32:13
flag, that and that
32:15
song, that song
32:18
that when I hear
32:20
it, wow.
32:26
And he makes that song
32:28
his own and he finds
32:30
himself in the song. And
32:34
I love that. At
32:37
the end of the day, I
32:39
think this story is about
32:43
power and how
32:45
we choose to wield it. Daniel
32:47
is a wealthy black
32:49
man with time on his
32:51
hands to think about shit.
32:55
And what he decides to do is, and
32:58
it's born out of an honest
33:00
moment of emotion. He's
33:03
asked to sing a song and
33:06
his immediate response is, why
33:08
would I want to do that? But
33:10
then as an artist, he
33:13
begins to get into it.
33:15
And as an artist should,
33:17
he finds himself in that
33:19
song. And yes, he
33:21
is a Southern man with
33:27
Southern roots. And
33:31
he is able to see himself
33:34
in the words of that song. And
33:36
then he translates those feelings to the
33:39
one symbol that is
33:41
universally identified
33:44
with the lost cause, the
33:47
stars and bars. And he takes
33:49
that and he makes it his
33:51
own. And
33:53
it just blows
33:56
people's minds. They
34:03
can't fathom why he
34:05
would do this and it just
34:08
short-circuits them. And I think that's
34:10
the brilliance of the story. That
34:15
it's possible by
34:19
engaging in a radical
34:23
act of... What
34:27
is it? That
34:33
by engaging in a radical act
34:36
of confuzzlement, that
34:41
one can take the sting out
34:44
of the previously impossibly
34:47
painful. Our
35:03
producer on this episode of LeVar
35:05
Burton Reads is Julia Smith. She
35:08
is the best in the business, y'all. Our
35:10
fabulous researcher is L.D. Lewis. Always
35:13
happy to have you aboard, my sister. We
35:15
had additional research support this season
35:18
from Talon Stradley and Josephine Marjorana,
35:21
editing and sound design by
35:23
the extraordinary Brendan Burns, who
35:25
also created our feed. My
35:28
great thanks to Percival Everett and Grey
35:30
Wolf Press for allowing me to read
35:33
his story today. You can
35:35
find it in his collection entitled Damned If
35:37
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