18:00

of flying at the moment. Follow us Instagram,

18:02

TikTok, they're flying. But a big thing is

18:04

the likes. Lukey just told me a thousand

18:07

likes on YouTube. So that is huge. That

18:09

brings people in. That gets the algorithm going.

18:11

That keeps people following us. So thank you

18:13

to everyone who liked it. A

18:16

little mate, Lukey at the back there put a comment at the

18:18

top of all the

18:20

comments and a thousand likes. Then

18:23

that's huge. That gets us going, mate. So thank

18:25

you to everyone that done that, has done that

18:27

and left us a comment or

18:29

a reply from last episode. And

18:31

I've got a few, I've got a

18:33

couple of replies that are going to help us out

18:35

with some stuff that we're unsure of last week, which

18:38

I always rely upon

18:40

our listeners to help us out with some

18:42

information that I can't quite find. And this

18:44

one's from Neil Song, Hey Scopin' Mace. The

18:47

discrepancies you notice in run meters between

18:50

the NRL and Fox Sports is based

18:52

around their definition on what constitutes a

18:54

run. NRL treats

18:56

any form of line engagement as a

18:58

run, whereas Fox requires the

19:00

run to either result in a tackle

19:02

being made or an attacking

19:05

stat occurring. So basically in particular,

19:08

you will notice that the biggest difference in run

19:10

meters is halfbacks. For example, Jackson

19:13

Hastings loves digging into the line and

19:15

engaging the first fender and therefore got

19:17

88 run meters off

19:19

18 runs. So he at least

19:21

gets over the advantage line for the most part.

19:23

That's when they start counting it. And I think

19:25

that's when they start counting it, right? That's

19:28

for the NRL compared to 26 run meters

19:30

off four runs for Fox Sports. The

19:32

other stat you will notice difference in

19:35

would be around tackles as NRL counts

19:37

third man in. Hope that

19:39

helps, Jen. So they should count third

19:42

man in. Yeah. That's why, uh, Hindy

19:44

always got 40 plus. I only got

19:46

70 tackles, 63rd man in. Love

19:49

you, Hindy. Uh, love, love listening to

19:51

your content all through the week. Wish

19:53

there was somehow we could even get

19:55

more. Who knows? You're pushing it 2025.

19:57

We'll see. We'll see what happens. or

19:59

off season we could have something coming

20:01

up. So thanks for that mate, really

20:03

appreciate that Neil. I've

20:05

always wondered what the difference was and

20:07

that's huge considering the discrepancy and difference

20:09

between Jackson Hastings particularly on the weekend.

20:12

88 run metres off 18 runs compared to 26 or four.

20:16

Like when you- Do you think you did

20:18

88 metres well? There's no, well I didn't

20:20

even look at Jackson Hastings for this particular

20:22

stat, but that is the perfect example. And

20:25

maybe- So you got somewhere in between that, I reckon-

20:27

Pardon? 50 metres or something. Yeah, I

20:29

think so. So they're counting it

20:32

when Susie gets over this advantage line, digs in

20:34

a little bit and passes out the back, that's

20:36

metres game. Yeah, must be. Bullshit. Yeah, that must

20:38

be, that's must be. Because like there's no way

20:41

he- Stupid stat. He definitely didn't get tackled 18

20:43

times, right? And he did probably get tackled four

20:45

times. I would say

20:47

like if you pierce the line and then pass,

20:50

then I'd consider all those stats. Does that make

20:52

sense? Right, like if you, just say if Jackson

20:54

Hastings goes to the line, just

20:58

say from the play the ball, right? And he busts

21:00

through the line, makes a break, and

21:02

he gets like angled tapped about 10 metres

21:04

past the line, then offloads. So you give

21:06

Jackson the first 10 metres, and then whoever

21:08

picks it up gets the next 20. Because

21:10

if it's a quick play the ball, right?

21:12

And Jackson or any other half gets the

21:14

ball and takes 10 metres and then passes

21:16

the ball, no. Because you're not copying

21:18

a hit. Yeah. Niddles, middles are different. If

21:20

you're always going into the line, Cam Murray, you sort of

21:22

like, even he has to

21:25

get hit. I reckon you can't

21:27

just be like, taking those metres. Yeah, so do

21:29

I. I'm with you. I'm with you. That's nothing.

21:31

So metres if you get fucking smashed. I'm going

21:33

to start doing a general, I'm

21:35

going to start doing Fox metres going forward, just

21:37

so we go more accurate. This

21:41

one is from just a long

21:43

name that doesn't make any sense, but it's a good

21:45

one. Thank you to whoever it is. It finishes and

21:47

goes out. Is it that Fijian kid that's not the

21:49

roosters? No, this is what it is. That

21:52

never goes out. That's his name on

21:54

YouTube. If no one's mentioned it, it

21:57

was Jake Mudders Clifford who tackled Dane

21:59

Laurie in the hit. Yeah, yesterday in

22:01

the end zone, Laurie and the Panthers got a

22:03

penalty for it. Gus Gould disagreed with the core

22:05

saying that that wasn't the rule and why it

22:07

was implemented for because the tackle wasn't dangerous at

22:10

all. So that was the tackle we were talking

22:12

about. Obviously,

22:14

Dane Laurie goes to catch it in goals. Clifford sort

22:16

of tackled him, but didn't like

22:18

as in tackling to the ground, like basically held him

22:20

up in the one motion, didn't

22:23

let him get to the ground. And I

22:25

was trying to figure out who that was. Was that

22:27

a penalty? It was a penalty, yeah. Yeah, Pender have got

22:29

the ball and they- He's in the air, that's it.

22:31

That's it. That's the only way. Like if they

22:33

get a rule on that, I'm happy with it. Yeah. Consistent

22:36

on it. Yeah, let's go. So I've got

22:38

some stuff with the referees coming up. This

22:41

one is from JP May and this is

22:43

off the back of the Nico Hines and

22:45

Mitchell Moses chat. And I think it's a

22:48

fair point, valid point. Remember Mitchell Moses had

22:50

the same questions on him as Nico when

22:52

it came to precious situations. I remember missing

22:54

some crucial conversions around that time to just

22:56

got to write it out and keep going.

22:59

And you could be in the position, Nico could

23:01

be in the position where Mitch is now, where we feel like

23:03

in the last couple of years, we'll

23:06

talk about origin just at the top of the show.

23:08

Do you feel like now you're

23:10

confident in Mitch Moses as a origin player?

23:12

And did you always have that confidence or

23:14

when- I didn't have confidence in Moses five

23:16

years ago. Yeah. Now I do. Yeah,

23:19

okay. When was the moment? Was it the broken

23:21

back? Was it last year's game three? I didn't

23:23

realise he broke his back. Was it this game?

23:25

This game. I didn't

23:27

count the dead rubber last year. Okay. I

23:30

needed him to get there when everything, all

23:32

the, everything's on the line and he fucking

23:34

carved. So you've got to give him

23:36

his flowers there. Hey, someone told me and corrected me

23:38

on this and Luke he pointed it out. He actually

23:40

played game two of last year as well. I forgot

23:42

all about that. He played in the, when they got

23:46

pumped by Queensland. So- Well,

23:48

and man, fucking who cares then? Still stands what

23:50

I'm talking about. Okay, so you need to see

23:52

him do it in game three before you cement

23:54

him. No, he's good in my picture. Because

23:57

his defence is outstanding. That's the main thing. That

23:59

was a- knock on him, never knock the

24:01

way that he played with the ball. He's

24:03

one of the best short side attackers, best

24:05

kicking game, passing game, orchestrators around the field.

24:08

It's just defense and he's picked that up. He doesn't

24:10

get, he gets spotted up, he's cleaning

24:12

bucks up. Sounds like you're talking about Nico

24:14

now than Mitch is five years ago.

24:16

So it's a good point from JP, mate, this to a type

24:18

of Nico. Nico just needs to keep working hard. That's

24:21

all. Stay in the lab? Yeah, just stay in the

24:23

lab, just keep working. He's got one of the best

24:25

coaches out there. You got Josh Hanne, you got Craig

24:27

Fitzgivens, one of the best defensive players to play the

24:29

game. So he'd be teaching him

24:31

a hell of a lot. And they got a good roster. And you got

24:33

Daniel Holsworth as well. Yep. He's a smart,

24:35

smart man. Was he a good defensive half

24:37

DJ or was he more attacky? He wasn't

24:39

really, he wasn't like a fucking massive banger

24:42

or anything like that. But was he solid?

24:44

He was solid, yeah. It wasn't like a

24:46

Trent Barrett Andrew Johns. They're the two best

24:48

defensive halves. Yep. Cause they'll smack the shit

24:50

out of you. Yep. Craig Gower. Was

24:52

Gower really good was he? Gower

24:55

was good. Was, yeah, I remember,

24:57

I remember being stocky, but I don't. Imagine your nickname

24:59

was pig. Yeah, that's the best. And you don't look

25:02

like one. But that's more off field, isn't it? Yes.

25:05

All right. This one is from Tarik M13.

25:09

Chair to the brothers. Love the quick, love

25:11

the vids, quick questions for both of you in terms of

25:13

SJ, Tomati Martin combo

25:15

against Tomati Martin, Chanel Harris,

25:17

the Vito. Would you consider it similar to

25:20

Sam Walker and Luke Keery, where together it

25:22

can work, but it's a real push and

25:24

pull combo? Because like we said, it

25:26

took a while for them to get going.

25:28

And Sam Walker, almost three or four years

25:31

now. And Smith. And Brendan Smith,

25:33

for sure. But I reckon a big part of

25:35

the success the Roosters are having now, is

25:38

Kez has pulled back ever so slightly.

25:41

I think there was a tug of war happening

25:43

there about who the guy was. In

25:45

my opinion, Kez is finishing at the end of the year.

25:47

I think that would have been a tough conversation in

25:50

between everyone at that franchise and club. Just

25:52

pull back. Sammy's going to be the

25:54

future, work with him, and now it's

25:57

working. And then, you know, maybe

25:59

if Sean... He does come back and play some footy at

26:01

the back end of the year and it's at the expense

26:03

of a Chanel to play with Tomati. Maybe

26:05

he goes, Shauny, this is potentially your

26:07

last year. Pull back a

26:10

little bit, give some more rain to Tomata and

26:12

that could work. That's the conversation that needs to

26:14

be had. Yeah. I think

26:16

it's a good point, right? I think, yeah,

26:18

it's going to be hard because Eshay's, he's

26:21

still Eshay, right? He just needs to get

26:23

his body right. Yeah. And it

26:25

just sucks. And from what's really

26:27

hampered their season is Egan. Egan's

26:30

been in and out of the team and injured

26:32

and all that HIA and a couple of little

26:34

injuries where last year he was a, he

26:37

nearly got hooked of the year. Yeah. Do

26:39

you know what I mean? So he had his career best

26:41

year. Like I'm on fire like that first couple of games

26:43

doing hang plays off the nine and I was like, then

26:46

they started working it out, right? Yeah.

26:48

So if you're not dominating the middle, that nullifies Egan.

26:50

It's a bit like cook, but

26:53

yeah, I think it's hard. Like there's nine,

26:55

seven, six with the, with the warriors. It's

26:58

just not clicking, but it looks

27:00

like it's clicking with these two young kids now. Yeah,

27:03

it does. And that's what sucks. Not

27:05

long term though. If they work this out, they can be a long term. I know

27:07

that. I'm just saying for this year. Yeah, for this

27:09

year. If this is his last ride, Eshay's, we just need to see

27:12

what sort of Eshay comes back. I don't care if he comes back

27:14

around 22. I just need,

27:16

we, they need him fit and willing to

27:18

get, and those licks into the line, everything

27:20

like that. Cause they're, they're, they're

27:23

just off the pace with him a little bit.

27:25

They're currently sitting in 13th on 17 points,

27:27

three points outside of the top eight. If they

27:30

go on a run with Chanel and, and Tomata,

27:32

it's going to be very hard for

27:34

him to get back in. And especially from momentum. And

27:36

I think they're going to do that. So

27:38

Andrew Webster's got a big, big decision

27:41

about huge. Did you start him? You

27:43

just put like Chanel

27:45

on the bench. He's

27:48

an animal, mate. I like Chanel. He

27:50

hits hard. Yeah. He looks

27:52

that year off, did him really well. He looks, what's

27:55

the word? Motivated.

27:58

Motivated is a good word. It's like

28:00

he wants hungry, hungry, missed out on

28:02

a whole year, wants to

28:04

prove himself again. Like I'm that dude. I

28:07

can handle a six, I can handle a six. Yeah, we'll

28:09

talk about it at the start of the show. When you

28:11

get perspective of like, what the game's

28:13

like, like one thing I wish I'd

28:15

got the opportunity to do is after the super league

28:17

comeback and play a year in the NRL, because I

28:19

reckon I would appreciate it so much more. But when

28:21

you're gone for four years, that's it. You know, very

28:23

hard for a player of my level to get back

28:25

in, but it's like always, now Chanel's got

28:27

that perspective already. Like he knows what it's like to

28:30

be on the outside. A lot of gratitude. A lot

28:32

of gratitude to even play in a real, guys

28:34

like Bronx and Sherry, who's been through a lot

28:37

of shit off the field. So when you

28:39

take that away from players, right,

28:42

even a year, four years, you know, 12 months, you

28:44

really sit back. Like even going through injuries when you're

28:46

out for the year, you're like, fuck.

28:49

You know, you get a little bit down, but it's just

28:51

like, fuck how lucky you are to do what you're doing,

28:54

to have some gratitude, to have some perspective

28:56

on life. And

28:59

then you'll appreciate, and you don't

29:01

mind going to training and getting flogged every day,

29:03

cause you fucking want to do it. And you're

29:05

getting paid a shitload of money to do something

29:07

that we were dreaming about when we were 10

29:09

years old. And you might be hanging out. I

29:11

want to be a pro player, professional player. And

29:13

you leave that. Like I'm sitting here now, I've

29:16

lived all those dreams that I had when I

29:18

was younger. And I'm blessed,

29:20

right? And I have a lot of gratitude towards

29:22

that. And I have a lot of like, I

29:24

thank the game and everything like that. I'm not

29:26

sitting here. Not bitter. Not

29:28

as a bitter player, ever. Cause the game gives

29:30

you everything they take. It's a double-edged sword, right?

29:32

You use the game, the game uses you. Yep.

29:35

100%. That's about

29:37

it. All right. One thing I want to address,

29:39

we've talked about it a lot. I actually got

29:41

a DM off Gutha, off the back of our

29:43

clip. We'll talk about a few

29:45

things that he disagreed with in the clip, but- He

29:48

slid into the DM. He slid into the DMS,

29:50

he sent me there. Cause we talked about, you

29:52

know, sort of, my take

29:54

on was his mindset moving forward and the officiating.

29:56

So the bigger part of it is I want

29:58

to get to the officiating. I love that guy.

30:00

they reached out to. We still disagreed on a

30:03

few things, but that stays. But

30:05

me and Guthrie have known each other for ages. But

30:07

one thing I agreed upon is he

30:10

brought up a take about like accountability for

30:12

the referees, which is why he gets frustrated

30:14

and why he goes at them sometimes. There

30:17

really isn't any, but rather than just

30:19

completely bash referees, which happens all the

30:22

time, you said it before, off low

30:24

hanging fruit, right? I

30:26

like to come up with one,

30:28

I think the reasons that they're under as

30:30

much pressure because one

30:32

thing I hear in

30:35

this, and I've probably regurgitated it myself when

30:37

I've been frustrated with decisions on the weekend

30:39

is are the referees as bad as we

30:41

think, or are they worse than referees

30:44

from our era, right? Like, so when you think

30:46

back to referees from our era, there are a

30:48

few things that have changed that

30:50

are completely changed. Yeah, they've changed the landscape.

30:52

So when you look back on those referees,

30:54

you're like, they were so, you know,

30:56

you see a clip of how they handled a

30:58

situation really well. There's one game where I played

31:00

Para Matter vs Storm, and I think

31:02

it was Tim Mander. Yeah.

31:05

And he, and the way he spoke to the

31:07

players and settled down the situation, actually, no, it

31:09

wasn't, it was Tony Archer. Tony Archer. I remember

31:11

Tony. And the way he spoke was, you know,

31:13

perfect. He settled down the situation. No one gets

31:15

sent off. It was crazy. It was Billy vs

31:18

Hainsey in a headbutting incident. And then it turned

31:20

into a pretty much an all in and everyone

31:22

comes in and then he just settled, everyone settled

31:24

down and we got on with footy, right? So

31:27

there's a couple things different. That

31:29

was like the implementation of mikes

31:31

and all that sort of stuff. So I think

31:33

the two rule changes that have made it really

31:35

hard right now for the referees, and this is

31:37

what I said to Gutho as well. And his

31:39

problem with the referees and my perceived problem with

31:41

him barking at the referees at

31:44

the moment is captain's challenge. One, we

31:46

talk about subconscious before we talk about

31:51

ego involved in that. If

31:53

you consistently get challenged

31:56

by the captain on a challenge

31:58

and it gets revolved. three,

32:01

four times. I don't know

32:03

how... How can they get filthy? I don't know

32:05

how as a referee, you don't either start to

32:07

get bitter at the captain or the players. Like

32:11

you've got to be professional, like I said, or

32:14

slightly embarrassed. Right?

32:17

I got another one wrong. Like imagine in your head,

32:19

you're telling those up. The guffo one with the drop

32:21

ball one. Got them. Yeah. Yeah. That was a really

32:23

good captain's challenge. Well, this is what I said to

32:25

him. He said, mate, you guys are one of the

32:27

best, like you and Michi combined, one

32:29

of the best combinations of getting captain challenges

32:32

right. Like that wouldn't

32:34

sit right with me if I was the referee all

32:36

the time. Like it should, but

32:38

you're a professional. Yeah, of course. Right?

32:40

So like, I'm just trying to get

32:42

through a couple of reasons why I

32:44

think there's been this animosity or build

32:46

up from referees. Right? That's one. The

32:49

other one is the six again. And this has

32:51

been talked about

32:53

a lot this week and Cam Smith

32:55

said, yeah. Yeah. I

32:57

agree. I think I

33:00

like the six again rule because it did speed up

33:03

the ruck and control. I think

33:05

there should be one six again per ruck,

33:09

the two or three or four in

33:11

a row. It's too willy nilly. Like

33:13

we don't know what's going on with

33:15

them and we don't get a description

33:17

of it. So it'll be, um, we've

33:21

got all this communication and we hear what players are

33:23

saying rather than saying ruck

33:25

infringement. Like there's so much gray area

33:27

around that, like identify exactly what it

33:29

is. Let us know if it's hand on the

33:31

ball because what it's doing is

33:33

one, you know,

33:36

back in our day, just say from my level play,

33:38

if I gave away two penalties in a game, I

33:41

was in, I was in big, I was in Barney dropped,

33:44

right? So some players, there's could be

33:46

two or three players in the tackle that are

33:48

given away six agains and you

33:50

get in a way over and you push it a little bit

33:53

more as a player because no one

33:55

knows who the actual ruck infringement is. It could be

33:57

offside. It could be holding the ball. It

33:59

could be. pulling the leg, but no one knows

34:01

what it is because all they say is six

34:04

again and no one's able to identify

34:06

it. And it moves on so quickly that we as

34:08

fans, we as some of

34:10

the coaches might even know. That's what it says, rucking fringers.

34:12

Rucking fringers. So I would

34:15

limit that. The other part

34:17

now with the referees that they have to deal

34:19

with that obviously players are

34:21

dealing with now is social media and

34:23

immediate fan reactions. So if you finish

34:26

a game. Straight on Twitter.

34:28

NRL, Fox, they post clips from a game or

34:30

a decision from a game and the referees just

34:32

get hammered. So this is what the referees are

34:34

dealing with. Like this is what they're going through

34:36

now. Another one and you can't

34:39

deny it. And we talk about it,

34:41

but it's gambling. Gambling on games. The

34:43

bias towards obviously fans of

34:45

their own teams and gambling plays a part in

34:48

uproar from fans when

34:50

they're obviously biased if they've got to

34:52

play on a certain game, a certain

34:54

team, a certain player that

34:57

wasn't there as prevalent back in the 90s and 2000s.

35:01

The other one is, and this is a, I

35:04

think this is a positive. I think the game is

35:06

as popular and fans are as passionate as they've ever

35:08

been. And you know what? I'll go,

35:11

I'll digress back to that six again, right? Yep.

35:13

So with the Landys and the powers

35:15

that be, what they want is eyes

35:18

on that TV. So

35:20

like, if we're going to sit there and

35:22

give a penalty and then explain to the

35:24

fucking captain why it's, what it's for, have

35:26

a scrum, all this sort of shit, waste

35:29

time for 80 minutes, about five years

35:31

ago, 80 minutes was taken about two and a half hours

35:33

to watch on a Friday night. So

35:35

what they want to do is keep the eyes on

35:37

the TV, the ball in play all the time, six

35:39

to go, six to go, whatever, you know what I

35:42

mean? So, and they kick it out, boom, it's not

35:44

a scrum. You get straight on the 20 and it's

35:46

go, go, go, go, go. That's what it is. It's

35:48

not about like, that's why they just told the rest,

35:50

ruck infringement. You can't say anything about it. And they

35:53

won't change it because they want the game to be

35:55

sped up because kicking out, walking

35:57

to a scrum is a minute and

35:59

a half. Right? So that's

36:01

eyeballs on the TV. People's

36:03

attention span is fucking done after 30

36:05

seconds. And that boring as shit, bang,

36:07

let's change it to union or cricket

36:09

or some other sport. Right? So they

36:12

want eyes on the TV 24 seven.

36:14

That's why the ball's always in play. So when

36:17

they do the 60 goes and everything like that,

36:19

that's the reason why. Because they don't want to

36:21

fucking scrum and they don't want to sit there

36:23

explaining to these fucking captains coming up, whinging all

36:26

the time. Great

36:28

example. Rugby union really struggling at the moment. You keep

36:30

the fucking line out. A line out could take five

36:32

minutes. What are you watching? Unless you're a purist, you're

36:34

like, fuck this, I got to leave. Say I'm a

36:36

purist for test match cricket as well. That

36:39

is not as popular as it's been. T20

36:41

is blowing up. So you're right. They obviously

36:43

want to keep the game going. And that's

36:45

a part of keeping people engaged. And there's

36:47

analytics, analytics proving it, people switching off everything

36:49

like, even that origin, origin one, a lot

36:51

of play, a lot of people switched off.

36:54

Go watch something else. Game over after eight minutes. Yeah.

36:56

Do you agree that we could at least, like I'm

36:59

trying to find compromise. I love this too. Yeah. Because

37:01

I'm not like set in exactly what was. So I

37:03

agree with that. The game is better for the six

37:05

again. And I don't want the six again ruled out.

37:07

Can we get a description for the six again on

37:09

the run from the referees? The ref should be able

37:12

to do that. Yeah. Do you think we need to

37:14

get that? Because rather than raccoon, frigatement, raccoon, frigatement. Stopping

37:16

the game and then I'll just say, just let us

37:18

know what it is. Just let us know. Yeah. So

37:20

we don't do it again. Yeah. Right.

37:22

What's that for ref? Hands on the ball, lifting

37:25

the one leg. Yeah. It's something like that

37:27

holding on too much. A lot of players

37:29

push it a lot. Yeah. Like that young

37:31

kid from Brisbane, Tyson smoothie. Yep. I'm like,

37:34

dude, let go. Do you

37:36

know what I mean? And that's the difference

37:38

between a Melbourne and anyone else. Melbourne are

37:40

so consistent in their ruck defense and how

37:42

long they are. And they disguise it so

37:44

good. Yeah. Other teams aren't as good. Yeah.

37:46

So if you're like, you're getting your ruck

37:48

blown and then like a smoothie or someone

37:50

just holds on too long because he's been

37:52

in the Melbourne system, it doesn't,

37:54

it doesn't float, mate. That'll get you straight away.

37:56

I got it. Yeah. And I agree. I agree.

37:58

I like where we go with this. So then

38:00

Tyson smoothie. the rock infringement holding the say rock,

38:02

you don't say rock infringement, Tyson smoothie holding the

38:04

ball six again. So we identify who the person

38:06

is. He knows who it is.

38:08

So he's under the pump from his teammates. Coming through

38:11

the TV as well. Yeah. Like

38:13

if, cause again, when you see

38:15

six again, six again, like the screen, like

38:17

the, what's it? Like the origin one. It's

38:19

not the whistle. What are they? It's

38:21

like a ding, like a bell noise. Yeah. But

38:23

like the origin one, like three in a row. Yeah. No

38:26

one knew what was up. No one knew what players did the

38:28

rock. Was it offside? That's why can't soothe

38:30

wants to change it. Cause it's their origin. Of course. But

38:33

I reckon it's a deeper issue outside of just origin.

38:35

I understand. I think it's a better, a better

38:38

reason, right? Instead of going rock infringement. And I

38:40

don't think, I don't even think the ref says

38:42

anything to the players. You

38:44

just hear it on the, you hear the bell

38:47

and this is rocking. They don't make that's it.

38:49

I would like to hear an explanation. Awesome. Cause

38:51

that's what I wanted to get to. I think that's one

38:53

thing that could improve the six again, for sure. And the

38:55

captain challenge, I got a tweak in for that too. So

38:58

like I said, the ego of referees

39:00

has taken a hit when they consistently get it right. I

39:02

reckon you got to be more critical with it or

39:05

like as in more specific

39:07

when you challenge as a captain. So in

39:09

the NFL, they have two captains challenges and

39:12

they get a third one. If they get it right. Do you think

39:14

we should have more? No.

39:17

So at the moment we've got one, one, right?

39:20

I would go, no, I would cap it.

39:22

So, so they've got to be, so at the start of

39:24

the game, when there's like a 50 50 core, and

39:28

I know people are going to scream out, what's the point of

39:30

having it anyway, but you've

39:32

got like errors happened in the

39:34

NFL, but they're more critical at the

39:37

backend in the final, you know, four

39:39

to five minutes a game. So that's basically when

39:41

the NFL will do it. And even in the

39:43

NBA, sometimes you see a call where a player

39:45

might step on the line and there,

39:47

or a fair, there might be a fail. And

39:49

they always look to the coaches and go challenge like the

39:52

coaches, one and a half, one and a half. I

39:54

think I think that's fair. I think that's

39:56

the, then rather than doing it, you know,

39:58

the entire game and. look, there will be

40:00

errors and there might be mistakes that the referees make,

40:04

but that happened for years as well. Some, just

40:06

say if you burn your first one in

40:08

the first 20 minutes, a lot of clubs do that. And

40:11

then in the last 10 minutes, you haven't

40:13

got anything and you know that that guy

40:15

raked the ball out and the ref missed

40:17

it. Do you know what I mean? they

40:20

should have one a half. One a half. That's

40:22

fair. I think that's what was gonna be. That

40:25

last 15, 20 minutes can cost games.

40:27

Yeah. And I would be saving it for

40:29

the most part. If I only had one per half, regardless of

40:31

the result. It has to be like, Yeah.

40:36

Cause you'd probably use it more often than not in

40:39

the last five minutes of the back end of halves. Or

40:41

if you don't use it in the first half, then you

40:43

get two in the second half. Cause I've seen a lot

40:45

where momentum has changed so much because the ref has missed

40:47

that call and they show on the replay that it's a

40:49

definite rip. Do you know what I

40:52

mean? So it's just like they need to really, I don't know,

40:54

they can tinker with that. One, like one a half. Yeah. Well,

40:56

it can't be that bad. Yeah. It can't be

40:59

implemented for sure. So, and then also

41:01

the last thing that referees are dealing with now. And

41:03

I don't say that I don't joke around about this,

41:05

but we live in the world, people

41:07

who own tin foil hats now. Right. So

41:10

you know what I mean by that? Like there

41:12

are people that genuinely believe that the league controls

41:14

outcomes. Like, you know, the script. Origin too, like

41:16

there's a script. Fucking shut up. The script in

41:18

the NFL. Or get a script to

41:20

the end. Or the NRL want to decider. Like

41:23

people say that tongue in cheek, but there are

41:25

also people that believe that that's a thing. Because

41:27

they would have reckon, they

41:29

would have thought in game two, three or four, 60 goes

41:31

cost them the game. Shut up. Exactly.

41:33

So when do you start seeing? They

41:35

had to win because they

41:37

want a game three because it's massive. Yeah. Of

41:40

course it is. It's not a lie, but they are

41:42

not going to manipulate the game. And you can't manipulate

41:44

the game that much to

41:47

for an outcome for New South Wales to be

41:49

34 nil and a half time. Yeah. Off

41:51

day for Queensland on for New South

41:53

Wales. So this is what, so this is another factor which

41:56

makes it hard for the referees that we didn't have 15

41:58

years ago. So

42:01

what is the solution? Don't point the finger. I'm

42:03

big on that without coming up with a compromise.

42:05

My biggest thing is interpretation. That's the biggest drama

42:07

that we're having in this day

42:09

and age. And we've talked about it for a while now. So

42:13

the NRL have to do

42:15

the referees a favor and

42:18

remove the different bunker,

42:20

a different bunker official from every game.

42:22

We said it before, it's going on

42:24

deaf ears, but if they want to

42:26

improve or help out the referees, then

42:28

they need to have two bunker officials that

42:31

either do Thursday and then the Super Saturdays and

42:33

the two Fridays and two Sunday games. And

42:36

I'm going to break it down even more. So I think, like

42:38

I said, I'm critical

42:40

of the referees, but I'm again.

42:44

But you have some empathy for it. I do have some

42:46

empathy, right? And my

42:49

biggest thing is I think there's the lack

42:51

of quality of referees right now that are

42:53

handling the situations that they're currently being dealt.

42:56

I think there are, for me, you

42:59

might have some different guys, but I would

43:01

figure out who the top four referees are

43:04

and get them to officiate two games each

43:06

on the weekend. Yeah. And again,

43:09

enough would be there. And even if

43:11

you've got to pay them a little bit more, the

43:13

salaries are better than what I thought by the way. It's three, 400,000.

43:16

But my top three referees right

43:18

now, I couldn't find a fourth.

43:20

That's how bad

43:22

I think some of them are doing a job.

43:24

I wouldn't even know four people's names. So Adam

43:26

G, the biggest compliment that

43:28

I can give to Adam G, you

43:31

think about the momentum swings that that

43:33

grand final had last year with the

43:35

Bronc. When Walsh, that should have been

43:37

a penalty. When Walsh got out and

43:39

then they second movement, got him back

43:41

in and he let it slide. Remember

43:44

that beautiful kick from Critter on the

43:46

short side? I'm like, in a game, all

43:48

he has to do is be touched. And

43:51

he's held. Yeah, but my- He let it

43:53

slide. Yeah, literally. But

43:57

my thing with that is, out of that game, you had

43:59

my- You had momentum swings, you had biggest

44:01

moment, grand finals, no one talked about Adam G

44:04

at all. So- Well, they gave him

44:06

a massive rep after that. Well, that's the point, but

44:08

there was no negative talk about it. No, no, he

44:10

was a king. So for the most part- Adam's still

44:12

a super sad day at two o'clock. Well, what's doing?

44:14

So Adam G would probably be

44:16

my number one referee right now. I

44:18

like Grant Atkins. I thought he's done a good

44:21

job for the most part. And

44:23

I think a young up and comer at the moment

44:25

is Liam Marshall. That would be my top three. Figure

44:28

out who the fourth is. And look,

44:30

it might sound harsh to the other referees,

44:32

but that's what happens

44:34

to us when we play NRL. Like the reason

44:36

people like this podcast is, like I say all

44:38

the time, I had to work for my spot.

44:41

I got dropped a number of

44:43

times and I wasn't good enough to play NRL.

44:45

If you're not good enough as a referee, so

44:47

be it. Like go and referee in New South

44:49

Wales Cup, Queensland Cup, get your reps, handle those

44:52

situations correctly. There's a short even of referees. There's

44:54

a short even of good referees. Yes, a hundred

44:56

percent. If you have a look at that, there

44:58

are about 20 something refs that are full time

45:01

getting paid a fair bit of money. That's your

45:03

job. So if you do your job shit, just

45:05

like any other occupation, you fucking

45:07

get demoted. A hundred percent. Or you get promoted. That's

45:09

it. Yep. And you keep grinding if you do a

45:11

good job and. Just get better. NRLW is going to

45:14

get bigger and bigger, apply your trade in

45:16

the NRLW. Like get better. You got that much help. You got

45:18

the video ref, you got the bunker and everything like that. You

45:20

just have to fucking take control of the

45:22

game. Yep. And then that way,

45:24

again, that takes out the, like

45:27

I said, the interpretations is huge. So

45:29

like the way that you viewed the

45:31

Tylungi, Tylungi, Blaise Tylungi try, and I

45:33

didn't, the less you take out of

45:36

us being on a different page by

45:38

having four referees that do two games per week. Now

45:40

it's not going to happen. I know it's not going

45:42

to happen, but I

45:45

really think there should be people within the game

45:47

that are helping out the referees that actually officiate

45:49

in the games and trying to come up with

45:51

some sort of solution. Cause right now I think

45:53

it's, for the

45:56

most part, really poorly officiated.

45:59

Yeah. referees are going to continue

46:01

to get hammered in big moments. And you know,

46:03

what is it like? There's some really shit things

46:05

that are happening to them at the moment, like

46:07

people going into plays, DMS and probably people going

46:09

and abusing referees. You're not

46:11

helping your referees out. If you continue to

46:14

just let them keep doing the job that they're doing and

46:16

not have any consequences or not try to come up with

46:18

any sort of compromise. Um,

46:21

all right. That's my, uh, I just want to feel like

46:23

I wanted to get that out. It's been frustrated enough for

46:25

you fucking refs. God. Yeah. All right. And that's it. No

46:27

more ref chart for the rest of the year. Deal. Deal.

46:31

And no more chat about the eels head

46:33

coaching job. Hopefully after tonight, most because the

46:35

parameter board had a meeting on Tuesday, uh,

46:38

it's been reported that they made a decision and

46:40

it's going to be out of between Jason Riles,

46:42

Josh Hanne and Dean Young. Obviously it's not going

46:44

to be Trent Barrett. If they didn't announce it

46:47

before the game, cause they're worried about announcing

46:49

it before Thursday's game and

46:52

taking it. It could be a bit of, um, a bit

46:54

of drama. If, uh, Dean

46:56

Young gets it. In what way?

46:59

Cause the guy that they signed from St George,

47:01

I don't think that relationship's so good. Is

47:05

that, is that, uh, is that breaking news? Yeah. There

47:08

you go. Cause I was going to get to that. Yeah. Yeah.

47:10

So I'm thinking they'll might go over Jason

47:13

Riles just because of that reason. So I

47:15

think we've, I reckon you're a hundred percent, right? You didn't tell

47:17

me this off air too. Nice. Save that for organic.

47:21

Um, you've almost cut the candidates

47:23

in half. Yeah. Trent Barrett's not going to get

47:25

it. If they didn't want to announce it before

47:28

Thursday to one settle the game tonight. And

47:30

now Dean Young's not going to get it. If

47:32

they do want to indeed want to keep Lomax

47:35

who is that's why the room is our Zach

47:37

Lomax is going to backflip. Wow.

47:40

Well, that's huge. That's huge.

47:43

Um, what about the form? Here we go. Luke is pumped

47:45

up. Para meta chat. Come on, mate. Yep.

47:53

Yeah. So Lukey saying you watched, did you get that

47:55

off a 360? Yeah. When he was

47:57

watching you. So the reports are. internally

48:00

they had already sacked Brad Arthur,

48:03

or he was on the way out, right? Cause they

48:05

were looking at Wayne Bennett when they had signed Zach

48:08

Lomax. But when Zach Lomax was having those conversations, and

48:11

it's been a bit of a running joke, he's like

48:13

the best winger in the competition. Brad was going to

48:15

give him the opportunity to play centers. Now you're right.

48:18

If Dean Young comes in and Dean Young's looking at

48:20

what's happening at St George. And

48:23

he's seen everything that's happened. So everything that we don't

48:25

know, he knows. Cause he's been

48:27

with Flanno and the coaches have meetings and they talk a

48:29

lot of shit. I don't

48:31

think he's, yeah, I just, it won't

48:33

fit. There you go. So Jason Roles or Josh

48:35

Hanne in your opinion. All right, I

48:38

like it. And has this

48:40

become like, has this been too drawn out? Has this

48:42

been like a boring process for you? I

48:44

haven't even taken notice, but I'm sick of fucking talking about it. All right,

48:46

let's get on to the game fam. I just want Roles or someone to

48:48

get like, to get the job. Yeah, I'd like to see Roles. What's such

48:51

a big deal? Yeah, Roles is my

48:53

guy. They're all similar age. He's probably got the same

48:55

sort of IQ and you know, like it's just, just

48:58

do it. Yeah, for the most part

49:00

though. Especially for the players, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And

49:02

recruiting and the future of players

49:04

that potentially needed to be moved on. Before

49:06

we get into the preview of the odds

49:09

for this week, I'm going to give you

49:11

my levels bets friend special. I've got the

49:13

eels and rabbits over 50 and

49:15

a half points with AJ, Alex Johnson and

49:17

Blaise Toulangi to score both of them in

49:20

the first 60 minutes for $7

49:22

from the traders with a max bet of $25. Both

49:27

those guys can score for fun. They'll be marking

49:29

each other. Blaise Toulangi scored two on the weekend

49:31

with Greg Marzou scoring two against him for the

49:33

night. So I like that play. And I think

49:35

there's going to be some points if this weather

49:37

holds off. So give me the over 50 and

49:39

a half points. All right, mate,

49:42

here we go. Round 18, you ready to go? Ready. Got

49:44

the team list here in front of us. The eels play the rabbitos

49:46

tonight at 7.50 PM at

49:49

Combank Stadium. I'm calling that game for SCN. So

49:51

again, if you want to chuck it on mute and listen to us

49:53

on SCN, the skipper is going to

49:56

be on fire. The

49:58

eels, however, a hamstring injury. Michael Civo

50:00

brings in Deputy Jake Tungall. I wonder

50:02

if he's related to Isaac. On

50:04

the wing for his inner old debut, while back

50:06

rower Charlie Geimer will also make his debut off

50:09

the bench for the yields. As

50:11

for the Rabbidos, they welcome back Cameron

50:13

Murray and Latrell Mitchell from Blues Duty

50:15

with Michael Cheekham going to the bench

50:17

and Jai Gray going to 18th man.

50:20

So a very settled Rabbidos team at the moment, mate,

50:22

with a couple of returns. And despite

50:24

the loss, I thought Parramatta, again,

50:26

I keep saying this, they're the best team to

50:28

be sitting in last ever, I think.

50:32

And they've still got a really good squad and they're

50:34

at Comm Bank. How do you see this game? The

50:36

line for the, sorry, mate, the line

50:38

for Parramatta is plus three and a half underdogs

50:40

at home. So do you think Cios can beat

50:42

them by more than a try? I think Cios

50:45

will win this. I'm just trying to think about

50:47

the mindset of Parramatta right now. Looking

50:50

around that dressing room, doing training

50:52

sessions and like, how the fuck

50:54

are we last? Do we have

50:56

a chance mathematically? Yes. They

50:58

do. They're alive. So every game counts. Can they

51:00

go on a run? Possibly. Guess

51:03

who's in the same position, Souths. This

51:06

is gonna be a desperation game and they're

51:08

both desperate, right? So I'm thinking, I think

51:12

Souths will get them. I just think

51:14

like Latrell's on a bit of a

51:16

tear. Jack's good. He's been playing great.

51:18

Latrell, Kaloma tonguey.

51:20

This'll be a cracking game. I can't wait to

51:22

watch this game. One of

51:24

the OGs, Jimmy Reed, who's an L1 from

51:26

day one, has been messaging me for like

51:28

the last three weeks. When I said that

51:31

they were gonna go on a run, he

51:33

got on them at $61 to make the

51:35

top eight. They're currently $5.50. And

51:37

I think they've got to win at least eight of

51:39

their last 10 games. Yeah, but

51:41

like that's for them to guarantee, right? Yes.

51:44

These other teams slip. So when- Seven

51:46

could potentially get it? People at home, when you say they've got

51:48

to win eight out of 10, they don't

51:51

necessarily have to win eight. These

51:53

are the teams that are coming. It's

51:56

a logg. Eight, nine, 10, 11, 12. Yep. They

51:58

can just leapfrog them. they win every game, they'll never

52:00

get in the fucking. History says they're

52:03

probably got to get eight, seven

52:05

could get it, nine guaranteed. What about

52:07

the eels every game, right? Pretty much.

52:10

Yeah. They're going to need an 09 home playing

52:12

run. What would it be like at training? You know, the

52:14

spirits of that team, not knowing what your

52:16

coach is, playing

52:19

really well for like 60 minutes and letting games

52:21

slip. Do you reckon they're at rock bottom

52:23

now, similar to South's about five weeks ago, where it's just as bad

52:25

as it can get. So there's only one way it is up. Yeah.

52:28

Is some even more dangerous? Cause they're a dangerous

52:30

time. They're a dangerous side. Still got

52:33

a good team, still got a top eight

52:35

roster. Yep. Be frustrating

52:37

being a power supporter. Where you going

52:39

mate? You going South to win? Yep. Do

52:42

you think they can beat them by more than four points a try? I'm

52:44

with you. I've got South's minus three and a half.

52:47

I think they're on fire at the moment. Give me Cody Walker

52:49

anytime at $3.75. All

52:51

right. The next game we have

52:53

the Krenella sharks against the Gold Coast Titans.

52:56

And this game is at CX Coffs International

52:58

Stadium in Coffs Harbor. Daniel

53:00

Atkinson is the new player on the wing for Cio

53:02

Nictor in the only change

53:04

that got beaten by the Bulldogs and Golden

53:06

Point last week. Alejandro Brimson,

53:08

AJ Brimson is back and takes a spot

53:10

of Jaden Campbell who's out with a hand

53:12

injury. Wing at Jojo for

53:14

feet is back after missing last week's game

53:16

against the Warriors due to illness. So last

53:19

game, sorry. So Phil Sami goes back to centers

53:21

and Beau for more goes back to the back.

53:23

Beau's back into the back row. Mo

53:26

Fotta Waker returns from Moraine Street. So Josiah Pahulu

53:28

who's been really good for him. He goes back

53:30

to the bench. He's a little pocket rocket off

53:32

the bench. I really like. I don't mind the

53:35

Titans. I don't know the Titans. Yeah,

53:37

I like him. Yeah. The feed is

53:39

going to be on a tear. I

53:41

think he's going to just. Huge

53:43

game for him. Absolutely destroy whoever's

53:46

there. Krenella dollar 42 favorites with

53:48

Gold Coast, two low to 90

53:50

underdogs. The line is seven and

53:52

a half. So we're

53:54

both, looks like we're both going to take that

53:56

seven and a half, aren't we? Yep. Yep.

54:00

What edge is Niko Hines? Is he

54:02

right? No, he's right edge. He's

54:04

gonna have Dave Vafita coming at him. He had kicks last week,

54:06

did a pretty good job. No, he won't have. Yeah, he will.

54:09

Yes, he will. He's got Dave. Both

54:11

the moors on the run. That's a different beast, that guy. It

54:14

is literally a different beast. Yeah, he is. They're both

54:16

beasts, but it's a different beast. Yeah, kicks. Yeah.

54:20

And kicks has got a bad finger at the moment. So he's not

54:22

full 100% kick out. This guy wants to play

54:24

in it as well. This is pissed off trying to get into

54:26

origin, Dave Vafita. MOM for Dave

54:28

Vafita. Well, yeah, I

54:30

think he's gonna have a big game as well.

54:32

Just even having Alejandro back, right? Yeah. Foot

54:35

away, Carl. It's a good team. Aaron Clark's a bit

54:37

of a strange one. Yeah, Aaron Clark's

54:39

been starting the last couple of weeks. He's

54:42

been trying to find a spot with Aaron Clark for a while

54:44

now. He started off as a hook

54:46

up. Good defensive player and gets fucking quick play in

54:48

the ball. So that's his role. Yeah,

54:50

he went from hooker to lock to now front row.

54:52

Lock and front row are pretty similar, both of these

54:55

things. Chris Randall's a good player. He's a good hitter.

54:57

Chris Handel. Chris Randall. He's

55:00

super underrated. We've been talking about him now for

55:02

a year. He's good. He was surprised a couple

55:05

of these big boys, they think they're gonna spot

55:07

him up. He's gonna jam you straight. Who did

55:09

they play last week? Was it the Warriors? Who

55:11

did lick from the Warriors? He's gonna get big

55:14

Tommy Hazleton. He smoked, I think Dylan Walker. Yeah,

55:16

he can fucking hit me. He can hit me. He's way

55:18

better than what I thought he was at the Knights and

55:21

cause he's at the Times and they haven't been winning games.

55:23

I was like Lou. Yeah. Bahoulou, that

55:25

young kid. He's good, man. He's good. All right, the

55:27

next game, the last game on Friday night is the

55:29

Broncos versus Panthers. Oh, actually I'm calling that game as

55:31

well. I'm doing back to back, but I'm calling that

55:33

in the studio. Broncos versus Panthers

55:35

Friday, 8 p.m. at Suncorp Stadium. Reese

55:38

Walsh, Patty Carrigan and Payne Harsall return. Dean Mariner

55:40

shifts to the centers with Corey Oates on

55:42

the wing to replace Khatony

55:45

Staggs, who's unavailable due to personal reasons. Jack

55:47

Giusecki and Fletcher Baker are both suffered injuries

55:49

against the Warriors. So they're out. As

55:51

for the Panthers, the Premier's welcome back. All

55:53

all their origin stars at Dylan Edwards, Brian

55:56

Thoreau, Jerome Lubois and

55:58

lame measured while Osayo Honouring return to

56:00

the sailing side. Therefore, Dane, Laurie, Liam,

56:02

Henry, and Matt Eisenhuth revert to the

56:04

bench. Rees Walsh.

56:07

Rees Walsh. So the tab have

56:10

Brisbane Broncos, two of 35 underdogs

56:12

at home against the Pendreth Panthers who are $1.60. I

56:16

wanna see Rees Walsh carve up. You

56:18

know, he looks a little bit rattled from obviously game

56:21

one, then into game two, he's got a little bit

56:23

of criticism. I think this will be

56:25

the game where he shines. I

56:27

want him to play good, so I want him to

56:29

get his confidence back because he's a fucking superstar. It

56:31

felt like he was untouchable at the start of the

56:33

year, even with a few niggling injuries and he missed

56:35

some games. It felt like this

56:37

Panthers game, remember the Panthers game when Taylor made

56:39

it, hit him and he broke his jaw. He

56:43

struggled to get back to form since

56:45

that collision. And then obviously

56:47

we talked about the effect. Like that in origin too, like

56:49

I don't think people, they're underestimating

56:51

how much that rattles a

56:54

young man like that. He's 21 years old. He

56:56

caught one of the biggest hits. That'd be like Mike

56:58

Tyson giving you a fucking straight right. Yeah, it's huge.

57:00

Do you know what I mean? Like he's when you're

57:02

like that and your eyes are in the back of

57:04

your head. Passing the footy line. But

57:06

then you can like play in two weeks.

57:08

Like it's just not right. If

57:10

the game acts like they care about the players, he

57:13

wouldn't be playing for fucking six weeks minimum.

57:16

Yeah, they're doing a lot better job. Doing

57:18

a better job with, but you

57:20

get more eyes on the TV when he's playing. As

57:22

brutal as the game is sometimes,

57:24

some hits, not all hits are created equal.

57:26

That was- That was one of the worst ones. I

57:29

just want to see him back playing his best

57:31

football, smiling, having a great time. Just

57:34

so like, cause I know what

57:36

Penno's going to do. Straight

57:38

down the middle and just absolutely pole

57:40

axing. Just to see how he's

57:42

feeling. They're going to keep him in a cage

57:44

on. Or they might kick him too. Moses, Fish,

57:47

legendary kick chase. I think they're going to cage

57:49

up, what's the name? Mariner.

57:52

So Mariner, Jesse Arthur's will go to the right if Cori

57:54

Aats is playing cause he plays there. He'll go straight down

57:56

the guts and just kick it to Walsh so

57:59

he doesn't have an option. Like that,

58:01

just that bomb, like that four

58:03

second hang time. Catch. Take

58:05

a little bit off it. Catch, bang. Yeah. Cause they

58:08

don't kick for distance. They kick for air time.

58:10

Yeah. That's about, you know, cause you're thinking

58:13

how many yards can you get? How many meters can you

58:15

get in four or five seconds? Easy, like 40 meters. So

58:20

take a little bit off. Not easy, but I mean like five

58:23

seconds. Well, it feels like Dylan Edwards gets, Yeah, but

58:25

time to catch it. He gets 20 meters every character.

58:27

Yeah. Yeah. By

58:29

the way, I had Cam Pereira's money time try score

58:31

for the shark scam as well. I forgot about that.

58:33

I'm on Panthers minus four and a half at a

58:35

dollar 90 and give me Isaac Tungall anytime. He's

58:38

on the right hand side. And we've

58:40

got Selwyn Cobbo, who I think is in for

58:42

a huge game, but there have been times where

58:45

that left edge has struggled as well. Brendan

58:47

Peake. Peake order. He has

58:49

a, he's outstanding. If he makes a couple of line breaks

58:51

against that team, you got

58:53

to look at him for, for. He'd be in consideration. He'd

58:55

probably look at him. Yep. Billy will be

58:58

watching Friday night very closely. All

59:00

right. Let's get to Saturday. We have the

59:02

Bulldogs at home at a

59:04

core, undefeated at a core too,

59:06

by the way, mate. Versus the Warriors. This will

59:09

be a really good game. Connor Tracy is back

59:11

in the number one Jersey. So Karaz moves back

59:13

to the wing. Drells Goughton goes to 18th man.

59:15

Kurt Mann returns as well. So that pushes

59:18

Blake Taft to the reserves. No

59:20

changes for the wires, which

59:22

got the job done last week against the Broncos, but with

59:24

a couple of tweaks to the forward pack rotation, Tohu

59:27

Harris has been starting off the bench for the last

59:29

couple of weeks. Dylan Walker has been starting. And I

59:31

hear from that

59:33

Webby is going to start and trying

59:35

to get the best out of RTS. They're going to put him

59:37

on the wing, mate. Now he had one game on the wing

59:40

and reports are he's been training on the wing. So

59:43

we could see either. Play to get the ball

59:45

roll. I think we may be see maybe

59:48

a Marcelo Montoya move to the centers. I'd

59:50

say he'd probably be, it'd be Marcelo.

59:54

And then you get in the kick returns of Roger two of

59:56

us a shake, which is, you get,

59:58

you get a little bit better. You have

1:00:00

Roger, Charnes and Dalon at the back. I

1:00:03

think that's scary. No problem with their back three. Again,

1:00:05

they're one of the best in the comp. Not this

1:00:07

year that I haven't been. I think

1:00:09

it's been a part that's let them down. One, they've

1:00:12

been a little bit in and out, but I think

1:00:14

just with Roger, you're trying to hear, Webby said that

1:00:16

wingers and Zach Lomax is the prime example. Wingers

1:00:18

can have more of an impact than centres in the same

1:00:21

age. Webby actually said that. So

1:00:23

I'm looking forward to seeing what that is like

1:00:26

because the Bulldogs have been really good at handling

1:00:28

that as well this year. Obviously, the Bulldogs

1:00:30

are going to pump these blokes. All

1:00:33

the Bulldogs are $1.50 with the tab. The Warriors are

1:00:35

$2.60. The line is 6.5. Yeah,

1:00:38

it's not a bad bet, man. I'm going to go to the start.

1:00:40

Give me 6.5 with the Warriors. With

1:00:43

this lineup, I think they've been playing a lot better.

1:00:46

No SJ. And I like the move

1:00:48

of Roger, two of us. I really do like the line. Yeah,

1:00:50

it's dangerous. So the

1:00:53

second game, West Tigers versus Storm, Saturday,

1:00:55

5.30 PM at Likard Oval. West

1:00:58

Tigers, Charlie Stains comes in on the wing

1:01:00

with Solomona Fartapay moving into the

1:01:02

centres and Brent Naidan dropping out. John

1:01:04

Bateman returns to the starting side. So

1:01:06

Heath Mason joins the bench with Reuben

1:01:08

Porter going to 18th man. As for

1:01:10

the Storm, they get Pappy back after

1:01:13

a week out with the foot injury.

1:01:15

So Sewell-Fong Long-Halt reverts to the bench with

1:01:17

Wingers' Avie Coates' sideline with that hamstring

1:01:19

injury. Kane Bradley comes in the starting

1:01:21

lineup. Maroon's hookup, Harry Grant is being

1:01:23

rested again after sitting out of the

1:01:25

Raiders game. And Remus Smith

1:01:28

has been included as the 18th man. Sorry, can we

1:01:30

see Remus Smith? What's up with Harry? He

1:01:32

had a cut, a

1:01:35

really bad gosh, maybe

1:01:37

a little bit of concussion. Or

1:01:40

if it's one of those cuts that can continually be opened

1:01:42

up, maybe he opens it

1:01:44

up, maybe he opens up an origin again.

1:01:46

It's gonna open up. And maybe

1:01:48

there's a thought process where the Storm think they can get

1:01:51

the job done against the West Tigers without Harry. I'm

1:01:53

not as confident. A little bit of

1:01:56

disrespect. It's well deserved. It is.

1:01:58

Because the Storm's fucking gonna put it. because

1:02:00

the storm of the storm. Yep. I

1:02:03

got 12 and a half at the start of the week. That line's actually

1:02:05

coming to nine and a half. That must be off the back of the

1:02:07

Harry Grant news, obviously. So the line

1:02:09

right now is plus nine and a half for

1:02:12

the West Tigers. I'm still gonna take that. I think this game

1:02:14

is gonna be a lot closer. And I've got Adam Duehe anytime.

1:02:18

Duehe. Duehe. $3.50 anytime.

1:02:21

Yeah, they're gonna be disappointed from last week,

1:02:23

the Tigers, but Melbourne's Melbourne.

1:02:26

They travel well. They don't give a shit wherever

1:02:28

they're playing. Like art. Like

1:02:31

art. Fuck that changes it. Yeah. Jesus.

1:02:34

They've got a really good record. They've got a really good

1:02:36

record there. Yeah. Against the storm. They've

1:02:39

got, they've won like six out of the nine games

1:02:41

that were historically or something. Some random

1:02:43

stuff like that. You flipped me. Tigers.

1:02:45

All right. To win? Yeah. Oh,

1:02:48

wow. Not

1:02:50

the win. I don't know the start, so. Love it.

1:02:52

Love it. All right. The last game on Saturday

1:02:54

is the Cowboys versus the Seagulls. This is gonna be a cracker. Yes. It's

1:02:57

5pm at Queensland Country Bank Stadium. For

1:02:59

the Cowboys, Val Holmes, Murray Tanlungi,

1:03:02

Tom Dearden, Reuben Cotter, Jeremiah Nye,

1:03:05

and Reese Robson are all back

1:03:07

on deck. Therefore, Khuli Kefu Fini-Fuyaki,

1:03:09

Sam McIntyre, and Harrison Edwards all

1:03:12

moved to the bench alongside Griffin Naim. As

1:03:15

for the Seagulls, Tom Trevojevich is back, but

1:03:17

he's in the centers with

1:03:19

a return from him. They must have listened to us. They have

1:03:21

been. Seabes.

1:03:23

No, I've seen. There's levels to this shit, baby. You know

1:03:26

that. If I were to call it goes to full back

1:03:28

room and Garic back from concussion goes to the other center

1:03:30

position, I would move Gaz and

1:03:32

Tommy Talal. That would be my only last

1:03:34

change for the Manly team. Yeah. Origen,

1:03:37

reps, Daley Cherrievans, Jake Trevojevich and Amolio

1:03:39

Quatto all back on deck as well

1:03:41

with Josh Alawai who returns from suspension.

1:03:43

So Lehigh Hopawati, Nathan Brown, and Karl Lawton

1:03:46

will come from the bench. Fuck

1:03:48

this is gonna be a huge names back for

1:03:51

both teams. A critical game for both the Cowboys

1:03:53

to make the top four and

1:03:55

the Manly Seagles to make the top eight. And

1:03:58

the odds are reflecting. in that,

1:04:00

dollar 74 favorites North Queensland, two dollar

1:04:02

10 underdogs for Manly, plus three and

1:04:04

a half is the start most we go. Fuck.

1:04:10

It's probably the hardest one. Yep. I'm

1:04:13

going to the Cowboys. Okay. Yeah, just

1:04:15

cause it's up there. Yep. Humidity. It's

1:04:18

going to be one of those slippery sort of the balls. You don't want

1:04:20

to stop. It's not going to rain. No, the balls are going to keep.

1:04:23

Humidity. Yeah, Cowboys. All

1:04:25

right. I'm on Manly plus three and a half and I'm Toby

1:04:27

Turbo to score any time. A lot of these young kids did

1:04:30

and that they're playing for their origin spot. And

1:04:33

I just think that'll bring out a little bit more,

1:04:36

like even, even Nana, Valnohms,

1:04:38

Talungi, they're playing for their fucking spot.

1:04:40

They're playing for a spot at

1:04:43

Suncorp in a decider. That's the fucking

1:04:45

Holy Grail to rugby league players. So

1:04:48

I think that in itself should get him over

1:04:50

the line. And Ruben Cotto, he's not playing. He's

1:04:52

the only one that's safe, but he still wants

1:04:55

to fucking nail it. I reckon all of them

1:04:57

are like 80% safe, but

1:04:59

a stinker could really cost them. And

1:05:02

if they get dusted, and

1:05:05

I think we'll see Tommy

1:05:07

Turbo on the left centers because

1:05:09

Ruben Garrick has been playing predominantly

1:05:12

right. So we could see Tommy

1:05:15

Turbo left center up against Val

1:05:18

Holmes right center. Would you pick Tom Treboy

1:05:20

on the bench? Vinny so far? Yeah.

1:05:24

I doubt they will. They won't. They're

1:05:26

going to be loyal, but fuck, that'd be a good option.

1:05:28

Yeah. I'd consider it for sure.

1:05:30

You know, as we said before, like, you know, we

1:05:32

don't, you know, the three forwards, is there enough? Someone

1:05:36

like Ola Kawatu or... The

1:05:38

only thing is, yeah, it could be his

1:05:40

manly teammate. That's the one that... Cause if

1:05:42

you... I don't think that, I honestly don't

1:05:45

think they'll make a change. Cause he, Madge

1:05:47

said something like, we're not going to change

1:05:49

the squad at all, but the

1:05:51

squad is still including Mitch Barnett.

1:05:54

So he's in the 21, so they

1:05:56

could easily swap that. And he's got

1:05:58

your own technicality, right? But he didn't

1:06:00

bring... Tommy, but it doesn't matter. It's

1:06:02

in the squad. Say whatever you got

1:06:04

to say right now before why everyone's

1:06:06

still available. Yeah. See what happens over

1:06:08

the weekend. If anything changes, he's

1:06:11

going to be watching. Don't worry about that. He's fucking

1:06:13

watching this manly game and seeing how terrible it goes.

1:06:15

Yeah. So would I, I would have had Nate

1:06:17

considered Nate if he was back for this game as well, but he's not.

1:06:20

And there's going to be a play that we

1:06:22

talked about in the last game. He has to

1:06:24

be considered as well. Roosters vs. Dragon Sunday, 2pm

1:06:26

at Aliyan Stadium. Joey Manu missed the next month

1:06:28

after suffering two fractures in his hand. So

1:06:31

the OG Michael Jennings is back. Lindsay Collins

1:06:33

takes back his starting spot. So Terrell May

1:06:35

moves to the bench. Do any other change

1:06:38

as for the Dragons? Just the one change

1:06:40

to the side. Zach Lomax is returning after

1:06:42

being arrested last weekend. This is

1:06:44

a fucking good side. The Roosters got this could

1:06:46

be. This

1:06:49

is an interesting game because that Roosters blown

1:06:51

out on Anzac Day, but the

1:06:53

Dragons are a lot better team. And they also

1:06:55

lost Moses Sully after like five minutes in that

1:06:57

game as well. Yeah, that fucked him. I

1:07:00

still don't think it's going to make a difference. This is always

1:07:02

a hard game between these two clubs. Very

1:07:04

evenly matched, but I just think the... Do you think 13

1:07:07

and a half is too much? Like they

1:07:09

think Roosters are going to beat him by two plus tries.

1:07:11

I don't think that's going to happen. No, no. It's something

1:07:13

like 26, 18 or something. Yeah,

1:07:15

I can see that. Yeah. Yeah,

1:07:18

I like St. George's the way they're playing, but they just

1:07:20

like they just got too much class. Victor

1:07:23

Radley's been killing it, Connor Watson. And they're

1:07:25

all playing like so they can guarantee their

1:07:27

spot, right? Angus, Lindsay Collins

1:07:29

is going to be angry. And

1:07:33

he's rested too, because he didn't play as many minutes

1:07:35

as you normally play with Terrell May playing big minutes

1:07:37

recently. And... He's still a Teddy as well.

1:07:39

Hey. What did you do last

1:07:41

week? Feels like they got a fucking milestone game

1:07:43

every week, the Roosters. What do they got now?

1:07:45

The proper OG is becoming the OG. He's

1:07:48

about to surpass... Hard Graves. Hard Graves will surpass

1:07:50

Mitch Orperson in this game. And

1:07:53

he's been playing in the middle and he's started every game. Crazy.

1:07:57

Crazy. So they're going to be fucking pumped. Orbo

1:08:00

probably played 250 off the bench. Seriously,

1:08:04

like he was like, yeah, he was just to fix

1:08:06

it. No disrespect, but I mean, Hargrave

1:08:08

has gone fucking 300 the

1:08:10

best in the middle. That's just fucking

1:08:13

phenomenal. Yeah,

1:08:16

Orbo would have played, you know what? That's

1:08:18

a crazy, that's crazy. I'm gonna

1:08:20

throw something, I reckon, this is

1:08:22

without even looking. I reckon he played 150

1:08:25

off the bench. And

1:08:27

then he started setting his back row. Fuck he's a

1:08:30

good player, Orbo. I was laughing

1:08:32

because it sounded condescending, but. Yeah, it's not

1:08:34

condescending. I just know, just comparing the difference

1:08:36

between 300 in the middle, 300

1:08:40

coming off the bench center, missed a fix it, right?

1:08:43

Back row. He's probably the best, one of the best

1:08:45

utilities ever. Ever. What do you

1:08:47

got for a slookey? Angus

1:08:49

is coming off the bench. Oh,

1:08:53

there you go. He played 87 off the bench. Is

1:08:55

that it? Fuck. There you go.

1:08:57

Way better than we did. Love you, Orbo. Nice,

1:09:00

Orbo. We both played with Orbo. I

1:09:02

played 20s with Orbo and you played. I love

1:09:04

him, mate. Great club. Great, man. Where

1:09:06

were we? You're here going. 13 and a

1:09:08

half too much. Now that it's OG's fucking

1:09:10

gonna surpass him. Oh,

1:09:13

could be, yeah, this could be nasty now. Fuck.

1:09:16

No, not over 30. Yeah, same. Dead defense

1:09:18

is good. I'm with Zach Lymax and plus

1:09:21

13 and a half. Last game Raiders versus

1:09:23

Knights. And this could have some implications right

1:09:25

at the death. Before selections, mate. Kao Weeks

1:09:27

is at fullback. Jordan Rapin are on the

1:09:29

wing. Albert Hopawadi for the Raiders. And Adam

1:09:31

Cook at halfback. But no one gives a

1:09:33

shit about that because Kailin Ponga

1:09:35

is named to return for the Newcastle

1:09:37

Knights. So properly, O'Thompson returns as well.

1:09:40

He was late withdrawal last week with

1:09:42

an Achilles problem. Dylan Lucas was another

1:09:44

late withdraw who has been great for

1:09:46

him this year as well. He's

1:09:48

also back on deck. Phoenix Crossland concussion

1:09:51

protocols will miss this game. So Jaden

1:09:53

Bradley gets the start. And Fletcher Sharp

1:09:56

has been replaced from Kailin Ponga, but he's

1:09:58

on the bench as cover. We

1:10:02

talked about Queensland. Is

1:10:04

there a spot for Kalem Ponga for Queensland?

1:10:06

And let's go. Let's start. If he carves

1:10:08

up, yeah. Dollar 65 new carves all night

1:10:11

with the tab. Two or

1:10:13

25 underdogs, the raiders at home. Plus three and a

1:10:15

half. Do you think Kalem can have a blinder

1:10:18

and force his way into origin? Or

1:10:20

do you think not?

1:10:24

I think he can. Yeah, so do I. It

1:10:27

just depends what Kalem Ponga's back. He's got on his

1:10:29

frame. You know what I mean? Can he bounce off

1:10:31

both feet? Can he, has he got that turn of

1:10:33

pace where he's smoking people on the edge? If he

1:10:35

doesn't have that, he's not gonna play. He's not as

1:10:37

thick as he was a couple of years to go

1:10:39

to, I think. I think he's probably

1:10:42

dropped a little bit recently to be able to

1:10:44

play. He needs his

1:10:46

footwork. He's not gonna sit there and just run straight through,

1:10:48

through boats. Yeah, he'd never do that. So I just wanna

1:10:50

know, I wanna see how, how

1:10:52

fit he is. He's

1:10:54

a close watch though, for the, again. Yeah,

1:10:56

very close. If he calves up, I'm picking

1:10:58

him. Hopefully he

1:11:00

doesn't. Yeah. That'd

1:11:03

be so cool to see Kalem back for game

1:11:05

three. And imagine if New

1:11:07

South Wales had Tommy Turbo on the bench and

1:11:11

Queensland had Kalem on the bench for this game.

1:11:13

The star power just goes

1:11:15

up even more. I think there's a world in

1:11:17

which- Who would you rather on the bench? Out of those two.

1:11:21

Turbo. Yeah. Cause

1:11:23

Turbo couldn't- He could play anywhere in the back. Yeah, yeah.

1:11:26

I can cover everything in the back line. Turbo

1:11:28

can play six for me, like Kaitlyn can,

1:11:30

but I've got more confidence in Turbo playing

1:11:33

front row. Yeah, he can play front row,

1:11:35

back row and lock. Even

1:11:37

though he's been banged up. KP can play lock

1:11:39

and hooker and then everywhere in the back row.

1:11:41

He's been moved to the centers already, Turbo, but

1:11:43

if, I guarantee he's not gonna hear one, hey,

1:11:45

by the way, if we lose a couple

1:11:47

of middles and we're fucked, can you play front row? No.

1:11:50

No. I like that. I was

1:11:52

very impressed with the way they started last week,

1:11:54

Newcastle. Leo Thompson was

1:11:57

out, but I thought the Saifidi brothers

1:11:59

were outstanding. The Knights was- super impressive.

1:12:01

So apparently the new PTO Sullivan's come

1:12:03

in. Jaden Braille's up

1:12:05

for grabs. Daniel Sofidi's up for

1:12:07

grabs. Jack Heatherington's up for grabs.

1:12:09

They need to make some hard

1:12:11

decisions there because you got Phoenix,

1:12:14

Crossland, Braille, Gamble, Hastings, you

1:12:16

know what I mean? They're a fair bit of

1:12:18

money, all these guys. They're just sort of similar

1:12:20

players. One player you didn't

1:12:22

name there. He's my only time tri-score. The price is

1:12:24

right, baby. He's going back to back. We'll price $4

1:12:27

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